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I Don't Spruce (S1 E14, “That Damn Donna Reed”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. I want to kiss you. I
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  Speaker 1: am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson here and this is the I
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  Speaker 1: Am all In podcast with my Heart Radio. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: we are going to discuss that Damn Donna Read. What
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  Speaker 1: an episode? Good God, We're gonna get into some Grantly
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  Speaker 1: Phillips as well. He's here, he's waiting in the waiting room.
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  Speaker 1: So or he's arriving in his golden to the town
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  Speaker 1: troop bodoor in his golden limousine somewhere on the highway
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  Speaker 1: making his way towards the green room and getting all
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  Speaker 1: miked up and ready for his appearance on our podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Grantly Phillips, the Town Troupe boder Anyway, what an epis?
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  Speaker 1: So it was a laugh riot for me and so major.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many things happening. This is episode fourteen that
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  Speaker 1: Damn Donna Read. Air date February twenty two, two thousand one.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Dean argue about women's roles after watching The
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  Speaker 1: Donna Rich Show, and Emily makes Lorelai face her feelings.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where do you even begin? Where the heck
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  Speaker 1: do you even begin? I know where to begin. Laurela
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  Speaker 1: likes Luke. She thinks she might have feelings for him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's looking. Did you see him make his move though?
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  Speaker 1: When they were on the floor looking at the the
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  Speaker 1: he made you know where this dad wrote that order
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  Speaker 1: down for nails and stuff like, and then he just
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  Speaker 1: he moved in a little bit. He made a move.
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  Speaker 1: And then Taylor, because Lusa staid, Lucas stead wait, I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear all your thoughts. Give us all your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on the whole episode, Luca, lore La. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think the Luke and Laurel I stuff was funny,
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  Speaker 1: entertaining and daring. Luke made his move, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: yet again made another move. This time it wasn't interrupted
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  Speaker 1: by Mrs Kim. It was interrupted by Taylor and Taylor man,
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  Speaker 1: I got old, Taylor, how great is hey? Man? How
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  Speaker 1: great is hey? He's just like with a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: the town's folks have knocking on the door. Was he
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  Speaker 1: trying to wake me up for it? I was closed?
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  Speaker 1: You know what a busy body Jesus. But I loved God.
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  Speaker 1: I just love how breezy and easy and kind of perfect.
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  Speaker 1: The interaction is between Luke and Laurel I I just
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  Speaker 1: I just love us together, I really do. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as a critique of my own work, I
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  Speaker 1: was really proud of my work. I really liked the work. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there was some very funny moments, especially chasing
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  Speaker 1: the baby chick. Um, but I I enjoyed And now
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  Speaker 1: I remember doing those scenes and remembering how much I
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed doing those scenes. Um. You know, it was a
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  Speaker 1: new show and we were getting good ratings and we
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  Speaker 1: were happy, and everybody was you know, everybody kind of
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  Speaker 1: relaxed into the roles and we're sort of firing on
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  Speaker 1: all cylinders but not pushing anything. So it was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think in the beginning, we're pushing a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: but now we're sort of easing into that that nice
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  Speaker 1: space where you're just doing some good work. And so
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  Speaker 1: do you think your performance in this episode was stronger
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  Speaker 1: than your performance in the episode where Richard has the
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  Speaker 1: hard issue? Well, there was more to for me to
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  Speaker 1: do in this episode. You know, I don't remember that
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot to do in that episode. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was just see, I thought you were brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Luke, really we really got to know Luke.
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  Speaker 1: And but but those situations. Okay, so those situations with
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  Speaker 1: the Richard episode, those are easier to play because anybody
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  Speaker 1: can play those those scenes because it's, of course that's
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  Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Of course you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: the support of end. You know. Wow, that's interesting. And
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  Speaker 1: this one it required a little it required another layer
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  Speaker 1: where it was sort of like, now you have to
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  Speaker 1: show that you're interested, that you really want her, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, be a little bit secretive about it, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not so super obvious and it doesn't turn her off.
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  Speaker 1: And and uh, that's what I enjoyed about it. It It
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  Speaker 1: was that sort of banter, that going back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he would go from dismissive to kind of
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  Speaker 1: relax and accepting to a little bit of a smile,
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  Speaker 1: like just like that, and then move in for a
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  Speaker 1: kiss and get interrupted and and then take you know,
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  Speaker 1: I like that hit a beer. I took it that.
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  Speaker 1: When she left, I was like, jeez, I need a drink.
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  Speaker 1: I almost kissed her. It's like almost and denied again.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's the second or third time he's been
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  Speaker 1: denied by a an annoying town member. Noted, interrupted, interrupted,
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  Speaker 1: well denied, denied. The universe conspiring against me. That's how Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the the chemistry is so it's just so cool. And
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling that when you're acting those scenes, almost
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  Speaker 1: like you get pumped up by it? What does that
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  Speaker 1: feel like when you're just ping ponging and having those scenes?
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  Speaker 1: What is that like? It feels great? It's fun it Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like a couple of tennis players playing a
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  Speaker 1: nice point, you know, just like hitting the ball, hitting shots,
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  Speaker 1: hitting shots. But I think it's because I think that
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  Speaker 1: relationship worse. And this is this is what is dawning
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  Speaker 1: on me a little bit here as I watched these episodes,
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  Speaker 1: is that laurelized very rebellious personality. She just is and
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  Speaker 1: that's why we love her because she's unpredictable and she's
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  Speaker 1: rebellious and you never know what's going to come out
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  Speaker 1: of her mouth, but you know it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: something funny, or it's going to be something a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of reverend and that kind of a thing. And
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  Speaker 1: she does it in the in the in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: the dinner scene again, which I thought was just brilliant
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  Speaker 1: hysterical reverence, such a great word, right, and then but
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  Speaker 1: THANKS think she when she encounters me, she's encountering somebody
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  Speaker 1: who is even more rebellious and more irreverence, so it
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  Speaker 1: almost makes her look and feel lighter. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a sense, it's a good it's a good chemistry because
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  Speaker 1: I'm a sort of a darker, heavier presence, but still
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  Speaker 1: bellious and irreverent with a heart not like her. She's
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  Speaker 1: got a heart for everybody. I've got a heart for
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  Speaker 1: her and Rory, and that's pretty much about it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very limited in how I can use my heart.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, the chemistry is that she's
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to focus her heart maybe on
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  Speaker 1: me in a romantic way, and that she will open
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  Speaker 1: up my heart so I can lighten up and love
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  Speaker 1: other people as well as her. So I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the the sort of yang yin and the yang of it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like her moralized moments with Luke they
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  Speaker 1: are like a breath of fresh air for her or
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  Speaker 1: a lighter feeling. I don't know if anyone else feels that,
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  Speaker 1: but I do get what you're saying, like those scenes
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  Speaker 1: do feel lighter, where her Emily Richard scenes are more
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  Speaker 1: like snark, right, because because she I don't give off
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  Speaker 1: the impression to Laurel. Luke doesn't give off the impression
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  Speaker 1: to Laurel I that he needs her. There's no pressure
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  Speaker 1: on her coming from him. It's just that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm the diner guy, I'm your friend. Everything is is,
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  Speaker 1: So there's just no pressure coming from him. There's no
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  Speaker 1: there are no head trips, there's no nothing. It's just
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  Speaker 1: he's there. She can tell he did that, he digs her.
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  Speaker 1: She can tell that she's not an idiot, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's just not giving into it yet. She doesn't. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot at steak here. I mean there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot at steak, and she's not going to give
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  Speaker 1: into it until it's just kind of overwhelming. And um
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Luke. And that's the reason I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to plan it that way, Uh, to to have
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  Speaker 1: somewhat of a way to your some darker, somewhat more
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  Speaker 1: serious presence in that show, because if I'm anything other
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  Speaker 1: than that, she's going to appear to be a little
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  Speaker 1: too much in a romantic relationship. So I had to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be the heavy and uh, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: just works. It just worked. I totally agree. So what
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  Speaker 1: do you Scott slash Luke feel in that scene when
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  Speaker 1: Emily you know, goes aside with Laura Lyons says, you
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  Speaker 1: know this guy is finding the bird and and he
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  Speaker 1: was at the hospital and you're always with him. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have feelings for him? And she finally admits, Lord
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  Speaker 1: knows why she admits it to her mother, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I do. How do you feel? When Emily says, well,
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  Speaker 1: and now there's a lot to talk about about that, right,
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  Speaker 1: she says something dismissive about me. Yes, you like, then
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  Speaker 1: we have to discuss are you are you out of
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  Speaker 1: your mind or something like that to choose somebody like that,
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  Speaker 1: and right, okay. So that means therefore that Emily really
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  Speaker 1: is is digging for honesty from Laura La about that situation,
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  Speaker 1: because it's really, you know, her being selfish. She wants
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  Speaker 1: some closeness with her daughter. She wants her daughter, she
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  Speaker 1: wants to have That's her way of of telling Laura La,
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  Speaker 1: I want to have a relationship with you. I want
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  Speaker 1: to I want to dish dish with me. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about this guy. You know. Yeah, that scene bothered me
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  Speaker 1: because I really didn't like Emily in that scene because
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  Speaker 1: I truly like Emily. I think she has mostly good intentions,
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  Speaker 1: although she's she's dark and complicated, but she gets Lorelei
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  Speaker 1: to open up to her and then dismisses it, and
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  Speaker 1: I that really bothered. But I think, Okay, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's because she doesn't she wants to
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  Speaker 1: have a an honest and kind of dishy mother daughter
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  Speaker 1: thing because that's her only daughter. She wants more closeness.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to be close. But why does she want
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  Speaker 1: to be close? I think her intention is she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want Laurel I'm making another mistake with somebody like me.
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  Speaker 1: And if she has an influence in her life, if
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  Speaker 1: they're friends again, if they fall in love again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking mother and daughter, if they have a closeness, um,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Emily can steer her in the right direction. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think Emily gives up. I don't think she's given
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  Speaker 1: up on Laurela trying to be an influence on her life,
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  Speaker 1: getting her back to the country club because they're you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, she's thirty two, she's young,
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  Speaker 1: she's very attractive, she's very young. She's going to be
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  Speaker 1: an empty nester at thirty three years old. She's thirty
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  Speaker 1: two now. Rory's going away, so she's still young and
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  Speaker 1: very marketable on the dating scene at the country club,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I think Emily wants to set things right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, do the right thing by Rory, get her
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  Speaker 1: to Yale, then get Laura La back in the country club,
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  Speaker 1: and get her going with the right guy who runs
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  Speaker 1: this corporation or that corporation is an international businessman, and
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  Speaker 1: so that I can have a normal life again and
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  Speaker 1: not be embarrassed by my daughter anymore. I think you're
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  Speaker 1: nailing it because that bothered me so much, because I
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  Speaker 1: felt like she got Laura La to open up, and
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  Speaker 1: she was very clever about how she did it, and
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  Speaker 1: she was almost loving and motherly. And then I was
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  Speaker 1: so disappointed in her reaction when Lorealy admitted it, and
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  Speaker 1: it felt like Emily is trying to control her and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't feel genuine that it really for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: in this amazing episode that has so many things I loved,
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  Speaker 1: especially Christopher coming back, we'll talk about that, but that
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  Speaker 1: really bothered me. No, No, but it's I think she's
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  Speaker 1: still Yes, she's self Emily, self serving, she wants her
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  Speaker 1: life to go a certain way. She that's her child,
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  Speaker 1: that's her only child, and it's and it's just screwed
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  Speaker 1: up her life and it's screwed up her social life,
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  Speaker 1: and she's tired of apologizing for her daughter. And she
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  Speaker 1: do you think she really wants to sit there and
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  Speaker 1: dinner and say things like you know, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and talk under her breath about inappropriate things that
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  Speaker 1: her daughter is saying at the dinner table. What is it?
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  Speaker 1: The very the very first scene, Emily had some snarky thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it was just very quick and it
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we go again, Laurali with the
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  Speaker 1: comments and the funny jokes and this and that and
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  Speaker 1: and what what? What did Emily say the very first thing?
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  Speaker 1: But it was it was really cutting, and it was
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  Speaker 1: really funny, and it was really kind of right on,
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  Speaker 1: and it just shows how irritated she is that she
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  Speaker 1: has this daughter that turned out this way. It's like
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  Speaker 1: she wants to sit there and have an intelligent, sophisticated,
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  Speaker 1: culturally appropriate conversation that the upper crust has. It's like
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  Speaker 1: we needed, you know, we did the therapy episode about
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  Speaker 1: Luke and lore La it's like, we need a therapist again,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll do it soon. Really breaking down this eft
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  Speaker 1: up relationship that Emily and Laura la I have, it
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  Speaker 1: is a hot mess. Emily wants to save her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Now she sees an opportunity. She's taking control of Rory somewhat,
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  Speaker 1: she thinks, right, that's what the Friday night dinners are
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  Speaker 1: all about, getting control of Rory and then maybe trying
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  Speaker 1: to rein in and manipulate Laurela back into the country
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  Speaker 1: club sets so that she can meet an appropriate man
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  Speaker 1: because she's worried that that she likes me. She's worried
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  Speaker 1: about she doesn't want me in the mix with all
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  Speaker 1: that money. Right, yeah, and look at one ahead of myself.
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  Speaker 1: But it's why they love Christopher. He's appropriate. They love Christy,
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  Speaker 1: he's one of them. And that's another strength of the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's how the rich fight. That's how
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  Speaker 1: they what they do. They don't want their kids trafficking
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  Speaker 1: in Luke Danes is they do not. They do not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he owns a diner and stars hollow. Great, nice,
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  Speaker 1: good for you. They don't care about the chemistry between us.
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  Speaker 1: They don't care about you know, if it could be
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  Speaker 1: potentially there you were, there, you were at the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: There you are on the floor of the house. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there you are there, you are bringing the ice. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's like Emily is missing the things that
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  Speaker 1: matter so much. She invited them to Martha's vineyard because
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  Speaker 1: they found the house. You know, the guy died, and
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  Speaker 1: and now they had a house to rent um and
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  Speaker 1: and so she invited the two of them. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: didn't invite me or any but I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 1: little too soon for that anyway, But she she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be in a position where I would show
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  Speaker 1: up anyway if Lauren and I were together. Very complicated,
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  Speaker 1: but there's so much in this episode. This really is
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  Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode without a question, my god, And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I think. I was a little harsh about
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  Speaker 1: the Rory Dean stuff. It was pretty no I you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's so weird. I enjoyed that because I sort of
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  Speaker 1: wasn't totally mad at Dean obviously, like, and I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to hear what Riley and Danielle say, Like I understand
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  Speaker 1: why Rory is like fired up about it, but at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I sort of like that is so
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  Speaker 1: Dean of Dean, But but it's now it's just showing
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  Speaker 1: how naive kids are. They don't understand the period that
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  Speaker 1: that was shot and written. I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 1: post World War two entertainment complex, right, I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: these guys coming back from World War Two, the whole
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  Speaker 1: country coming back from World War two, and women contributed
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  Speaker 1: mightily to the war effort in the United States. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they were on the assembly line putting missiles in
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  Speaker 1: bull It's together and all kinds of things. Everybody chipped
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  Speaker 1: in uma and it was a you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: a full time, full time job kicking those Nazis asses.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it really was. Everybody chipped in and and
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  Speaker 1: but the men came back so traumatized and so young. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And the government felt so bad about it because you know,
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  Speaker 1: PTSD wasn't a thing back then. Um. You know, these
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  Speaker 1: guys get the free college on the g I bill
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  Speaker 1: like my father did, and they all they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: is just to have families and quiet and peace and
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  Speaker 1: children and dogs in a white picket fence. And that's
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  Speaker 1: all they wanted. So making your man a meal, knowing
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  Speaker 1: that we had just been through you know, four or
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  Speaker 1: five years of hell on earth and we almost lost
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  Speaker 1: our way of life and thank god, you know it's
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  Speaker 1: over now. You know you're gonna make the poor guy
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  Speaker 1: a meal because you know what he wants. Yeah, with
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  Speaker 1: the Donna Reed show and the shows of that time,
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  Speaker 1: everyone at home is wanting to total escape to look
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  Speaker 1: at how great everything is and pushing the American, pushing
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  Speaker 1: the Levitt towns, pushing that way of life. A chicken
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  Speaker 1: and every pot in a car in every garage. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So Riley and Danielle who are of a different generation,
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  Speaker 1: what did you guys think of the Rory Dean Donna
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  Speaker 1: Reed thing? So for me, like I I understood both sides,
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  Speaker 1: Like I have very traditional parents, so I understood Dean
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  Speaker 1: side of like, you know, making the meal from the wife,
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  Speaker 1: makes meal for the husband, like the very traditional side.
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  Speaker 1: But then I also understand Rory side of like being
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  Speaker 1: an empowered woman and doesn't have to be that way
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  Speaker 1: and breaking out of the norm. So I definitely see
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  Speaker 1: both sides. I agree. I Mean the one thing that
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  Speaker 1: bothers me is if my husband's like, so, what's for
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  Speaker 1: dinner tonight? And I'm like, I don't know, you tell me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like if he tells me that like red,
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  Speaker 1: see red, but I will. I do think it was
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  Speaker 1: very innocent of Dean, right, Like I think he was
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  Speaker 1: just a dude that likes to get fed. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, you're gonna make me dinner today. That makes
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  Speaker 1: me so happy. I don't think he had any like
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  Speaker 1: malintent to that at all. I think he was just
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  Speaker 1: a dude that loves a meal from the girl he likes.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not only it's not only genetic, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's behavioral, it's what it's conditioning, it's what they
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  Speaker 1: who fed me when I was growing up. My mom
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  Speaker 1: my dad didn't feed me. But my dad did feed me.
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  Speaker 1: He went out and made the money and you know, provided, provided, provided,
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  Speaker 1: But it was my mother who was feeding me. She
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: was cooking and feeding. That's all. That's all Guys at
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: age one, I think guys as even if they get older,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: they want their mommy's feeding them. Yeah, Dean is a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: simple guy. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a different Uh,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it was just a whole different generation. I mean, it's why,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: here's the thing, and we're getting ahead of ourselves. But
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it's why Dean and Rory don't end up together. Yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: once traditional and one is non simple and she's so complicated.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: That's why I love Logan. But we'll talk about it later.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk. I mean, I cannot wait for that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But what do you think of a motorcycle and Christopher?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: And what did you you, Scott, because you couldn't probably
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: remember everything. I think when that did you know immediately
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that Christopher was on that motorcycle? I figured it out
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: pretty quick. Yeah, what did you think? It was a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: devastating moment personally for me because I thought Luke was
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: gaining so much ground. I mean, that's like, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: that's like, you know, the quarterback is handing to the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: ball and you're going three yards and a and a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: cloud of dust and you're on the you know, you're
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: just getting beat up and you're almost there and you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: gonna score the winning goal, a little touchdown, and then
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, quarterback throws a little two yard
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: passed to a wide receiver just came into the game,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you know, this first end of when he gets all
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the glory, and it's like that's how I felt. It's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like rug pulled out from under you rug pulled out,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: as audience fans were like, yes, yes, oh wow, like
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it's the ultimate curveball, like here comes this motorcycle. And
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: as a first time viewer, you know, Danielle, you can comment,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: were you like who is that dude? And then all
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Rory's like, Dad, were you just like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: what just by the way that you saw Laura Lite
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: When that motorcycle pulled up, I was like, oh, that's Christopher,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Like I knew right away before Rory even said, Dad,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, here he is. It's amazingly well done, Scott.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Can you remember I mean, I'm sure you probably weren't
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: around that day, but can you remember then shooting that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out what everyone listening thinks
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of Christopher because I know how I feel about Christopher
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: obviously I kind of know how you feel. But I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see like if fans I think they
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a lot? Do Yeah? I love it? I think a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: lot too, And I don't blame him. He's a hell
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of a guy. And man, I mean I mean talk
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: about you know, just the visual alone, right, and he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like pulling up in the leather jacket and he says
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the cool line, Hey, okay, take your shirt off. That's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: what he said from his motorcycle with a helmet on.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Laureliz is like, huh, and I know we have to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: go to break, but like they've got a witty bantern
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: you because they have a very similar ping pong that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you do with Laura. Yeah, but there's this very country
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: club yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, with the with the like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but we don't want that. There's like, no, they have
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the country club ping pong with no conflict, even though
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they had the history Laureline and it's all it's all
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it's all sexual tension. Yes, yeah, alright, so we gotta
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back with Grant Lee Phillips,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the town troubadour, who we see for the first time
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in this episode. So we'll we'll be right back. Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: there he is the legend. Are you doing, buddy, I'm
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: doing good? Thank you? How are you good to see it?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, I'm good. Pleasure. So let's get
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: into this this this episode. This is your first appearance,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: isn't it is? In an episode? There you were, There
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you were, and all your glory. Grant Lee Phillips appears
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: as the grant the Town Troubadour until of nineteen Gilmour
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Girls episodes from two thousand and two thousand and seven.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You're a musician who played guitar and sings and stars hollow.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It is said that you do not accept money. Uh,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and you were elected the official town Troubadour during a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: town meeting two thousand and one. So let's talk about
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: your background in music and how did you get the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: part of the Town Troubador. Where were you initially cast
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: for a certain amount of episodes or was it just
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the one? And they said, I believe it was just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: for the one, you know, um Amy Sherman Palladino, Daniel Palladino.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They were fans of Grantly Buffalo and had followed me
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: into what was the beginning of my solo career at
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that time, early early two thousand's, like maybe like two thousand,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: come to think of it, White two K days. Remember
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that the world was coming to an end. If we
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: could just go back to White two k if we
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: didn't know how good we had, Uh. Yeah, So I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: get this call, do you want to be on the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls playing the Town Troubador? I had no idea
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: what I was really getting, you know, involved with, but
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it was a great time for me to just to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: leap without looking. And um, I'm glad I did. I mean,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I loved every second of the nice And how many
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of your songs actually made it on the soundtrack of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: any episode? Dudes? I mean, well, um goodness, Um, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: think you said there were there were nineteen episodes, so
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes there were there were more than one song. Um,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know definitively. Um, I'm guessing there there must
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: be ten fifteen of my own original songs. Um. Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Most most of the songs that I've played I had written,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: although there were a couple where, um, you know, the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Troubador ventured out wake me up before you go go
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: be true to your school. You know. Well, it's very
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: difficult for the for the audience listening in, it's very
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: difficult to get a song highly competitive arena. They're getting
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a song song on a place, to a TV show
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: or a film. It can be very lucrative, Um, but
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: it's very very competitive, very difficult thing to accomplish. It.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Good for you, um Tory musician, you know, and uh,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you know now you're on Gilmore Girls, and I hope
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you're getting residuals uh in perpetuity this great music because
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: for me, you know, the music sets the atmosphere of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the show. The Carol King thing is King song is iconic.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Your music is iconic, and it's it contributes mightily to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the show. So you should be you should be paid
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: for it. So oh well, I appreciate that. And you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I you know, and there are there are ways that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I can't even really uh put into into a number.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I can't quantify how many fans that I have made
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: through the show who have then come to my concert.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You know, that's an amazing thing, you know, mother's daughters. Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you notice it in the in the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: crowd when you were when you were, did you notice people,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I mean you would know you get the direct feedback.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm yeah. From from time to time, it's not
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: an uncommon thing anywhere that I travel, could be overseas
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and they're at the show. Some some fans will show
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: up and say, you know, I discovered you through The
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls with my daughter here and we watched it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and we and we have this great connection with the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: show and and that's how we discovered your music. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it's you know, it's as direct as that, and I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: think that's pretty amazing. So you know, I'm going to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: go off script here. Um yeah, I have a bunch
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of questions they gave me. But you know, I'm a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: songwriter too, and I've dedicated a great deal of time
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to writing songs, and I want to know about your process.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I want to know how you do it. Um who
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: inspires you? You know? How do you how do you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: go about writing songs? Oh goodness, I do recall many
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: times on the set when in between takes, there's so
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: much time where we find ourselves just sitting around and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we would pass the twelve string back and forth. Um yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I always enjoyed that. You know, the process for me
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: begins with um uh, becoming bored. It's probably as simple
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: as that. And and and in some ways that was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: sort of the challenge when this pandemic set in. I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I'm used to being out on the road and with
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that means that I've got a sound check at six
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: o'clock shows at ten tonight. What do I do in between?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I go back the hotel, try to stay awake and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: naturally I began just thumping around on the guitar, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that's usually when I begin, Hey, there's a song there.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You know. It's in those little moments when I'm totally
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: by myself, and uh, I don't know when I'm you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: when those moments are going. I can't predict those moments necessarily,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: but they're they're pretty vital. So I had to kind
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of create that time in that situation. Uh, I mean,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you're having a guitar in your hand, that's the thing.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I think. It's noodling around constantly. And then yeah, yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: just constantly. And in the same goes for lyric writing,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of always I think you could relate
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to this. To you, as a songwriter a lyricist, you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: develop a sense of of listening. As a songwriter, you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you recognize when a string of words have the potential
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of being a song title or a chorus, or you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: have the seed of a song. It's a funny thing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that way. My wife we were talking about, uh, back
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in the in the in the nineties when we were
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: living in the High Desert at that time, and we
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: had the north Ridge earthquake and my wife was in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the after shocks kept coming and just remember that you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't trust the ground anymore. It was a terrible feeling.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And I said, can I trust the ground? Yeah? Okay,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And I went and I wrote that song. So that's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: some that's on my next records. That's you know, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with earthquakes a song,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but you know, I think we we tend to have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a metaphoric sensibility, you know. Yeah, alright, let's get into
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: some Gilmore stuff here, because I could talk music with
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you all day, but we have to. We have to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: get some Gilmore stuff. And because that's what the podcast
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is about. I love that. I love that about you
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that you have so many You have such a wide
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: field of experience, music, sports, coffee, Gilmore of course. Yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: well you know you gotta keep plugging, right. Um. The
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: thing that the music is is I I started too late,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to out of high school. Our band
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: kind of broke up and everybody pursued there separate interests,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: but I wanted to keep the band together. Um, so
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a pipe dream. But I love
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: writing and I love recording, and you know, it's a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it's a nice hobby, you know what I'm saying. Um um,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: So were you given direction as the town trooper or
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: was there some kind of the direction I was given
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: typically how to do with like can you maybe sing
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a little slower? Definitely walk a little faster as you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: doing getting across the street, because we've got to pick
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: up this other you know, caravan that's coming through and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: uh and you know how that is. It's one long shot,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like if you blow it, if you're the weakest link,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: then the whole thing has to be read as you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: were in all those white shots and they'd come zoom
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in on you and then moved aft right. Yeah, so
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: there was a little bit of terror involved in that,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you know, all that choreography. Yeah, but in terms of like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, my what is my objective? But never I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: never really got to go as deep as I felt
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like I was capable of going hum with it, with
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the exception of you know that that episode where the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you spoke of that involves the whole city meeting the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: town hall. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that was fun. That was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: That was one of the first ones that I that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I did. You know, it was a long day, like yeah,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I was given it my all. I get five in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the morning delivering those lines and bang, bang bang. You
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: know I'm not missing a beat, having no idea that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I was still gonna be delivering those lines at two
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that morning to a chair to air and everyone had
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: gone home. Oh my god. Yeah, we say we knew
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to conserve our energy. Uh, you have such incredible stay power.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm going to That was a seven in
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the morning and the marathon man name Sprint, had no
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: idea what yeah we uh but they were great scenes.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I mean they really were. They were really funny. Um.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Thank god we had Michael Winters, his tailor Dosy keeping
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it all together. Oh. I know, I know the pressure
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: he was under constantly and he just delivered every time.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, really amazing to watch. Were you playing or
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: loitering on the street corner? This is a fan question. Goodness,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: why was emoting? I was sharing my bliss? Yeah, damn right,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you were. That's that's right. Moding, You're you're a that's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: what they do. I mean, you want to keep you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: do want to keep moving though, you know, because for one,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it's it's freezing. You're lucky, you always got you always
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: had layers, but not in the summertime. H really, I don't.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I don't remember like any any scantily clad Luke episodes.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I just remember like there was one there was a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: shirt and the flannel and the thermal. There was a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: T shirt one and one when we were when t
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: J drove his carr into the diner and we had
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to rebuild it and I was in a T shirt. Immersive, Okay,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the one time, one time you remember that time. I
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: think it just proves my point that was the only
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: time it stands out. No, what I'm saying is is,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know it's it's wintertime and Stars Hollow, so you're
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: all bundled up right, and it's a hundred and ten
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: on in Burbank on set anyway, It's nice to have
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: a job. Yes, that's true. In the streets are wet too.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: They would wet those street downs, they would they had
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: wet them down, everybody. You gotta wet down the streets
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: make it look cool. Um, So you actually played on set.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: What were your impressions of the Stars Hollow set man
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: talk about idyllic, talk about idyllic. I think most of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: us who fall in over the show, and I want
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to go there. I want to live there, you know. Um. Yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it's just that it's that magic place that you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it seems so inviting. What that's free of of of stress,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: although we will create our own stress if you're the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Troubadour or Taylor or or Luke. Uh I think yeah, right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, there were there were a few characters
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that would have had a lot of a lot of
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: stressers in their life. As I think back Sean, you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think yeah, that was the whole
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: point of the show. Yeah, too much coffee. Yeah. Did
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you ever have like any kind of incidents with a car,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: weird incidents with a car or something as you were
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: trying to do your seen, do your your bit, because
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: there were I remember a lot of a lot of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: cars going by all the time. Well that's true. Yes,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of cars organized and they had people,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know, they had p a s on it with
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: walkie talkies telling people when they go. But there were
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: some screw ups at times. So did you were you
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: ever involved in any of that stuff? No? Fortunately, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I managed to get to the other side of the street.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Which that's it. That's that's acting all those years of Meissner,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: h did you study? Did you really study? You know what?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: After after Gilmore Girls, Um, after the final season, I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: did some classes because I thought, you know what I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: want to I want to take this further and get
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a little deeper in some other areas I had done.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I had done theater, community theater back in Stockton, California
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up. And and I went to
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: film school for a bit of time when I first
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: moved to l A. So I had I had some
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Jim Morris, thank you, Jim Morrison, of you although he graduated,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think school, Yeah, and I got through the first
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: year and and to realize, I think I want to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I think I just want to be a musician more
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: than anything, right, you know. Huh Yeah. He didn't have
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to around an amplifier though he didn't known Fender twin harmonica.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I think he just had the lugg around a whiskey bottle.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Um, all right, I'm gonna we got a
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes here, uh left, So I want you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to use one word to describe the following characters. Ready,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: m luke, Ah the Man, MS, Patty, Mother, Taylor, Josie, caffeinated,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: have that bad, that bad Oh the loving bubble of
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a person. Laurel, I m sensual. Hello, Rory, I mean
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, la Yeah, Rory, Rory, Rory um budding, Kirk,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Kirk whimsical, Mrs Kim, this is cam Stern. Yes, so
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we've already been through this. But you, but you, you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: do get recognized as the town troubadour at times, right dude? Yeah, okay,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: well most certainly when I attended the the fan Fest
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Sure, yeah, that was kind
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of wild. Yeah, right, that's the last time I think
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I ran into you, Yes, very briefly. But all all
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: those all those lovely people standing outside in the freezing cold.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: That's why I ran outside. Um, because we were taking
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: fifty at a time in the curling club and inside
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it was just moving too slowly. And there was a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: thousand people out there and they were cold, and they
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: had babies and it's like cold, and you were great
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: with them, and you were serenading people, and it was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just you know, that's why I ran out there and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: just did everything so fast, is just to get those
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: people out of the cold. And it wasn't it wasn't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like it was super freezing. But it was like to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: stand in that for for an hour or two hours
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: because it was going to take a while, um, to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to meet and greet everybody and sign and to ELF's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But anyway, um, yeah, you did
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: what you do, what you gotta do. A great bunch though.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I loved it. Oh yeah, Um did you actually play
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: your guitar and sing during the scenes or was there
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yes you did, I did? Yeah, Um. Yeah, sometimes we
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: would have to go back if there were if there
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: was an airplane that went over, we'd have to go
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: back and you know, kind of fake it to to cover,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you know, um, because it's sort of you know, there's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a fair amount of ambient noise and when you're trying
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to capture a guitar and a vocal you know. Um.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was all done live and most of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the time that's that's kind of what made the final
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: scene kill. Yeah. All right, buddy, thanks for coming on,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and thank you Scott. You're the best, and good luck
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: with everything. And so do you have anything do you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have a stage performance coming up? Do you have anything
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: coming up that you want to tell us about after this,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: after this weekend? Um, a little further into August. Um, yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes later in August outstage your show, he's called Grantly
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Phillips live from the parlor, and um, you know, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: what's your what's your website so people can go download
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: your music. Grantly phillips dot com is a place to go. Yeah, definitely,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Grantly tweets on Twitter, Instagram the works. You know. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: want to come down to Nashville and gig with you.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: That would be nice. Come come down this way. I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: want to come down there some hot chicken. Yes, Grant,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Let's please please do this again. Um,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like I said, well, we'll really get into some music
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: stuff and good all that kind of stuff, because that's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that's right in my wheehouse. I love that stuff. Um
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: a buddy, okay and good luck, alright, man, stay safe, alright.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: See yeah, okay, so we're back everybody. So let's get
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: into this. The paint job that Laurela has convinced Luke
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that he needs for the diner that has not been
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: painted since his father painted it obviously before he passed away. Um,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and some of the colors that were tacked up by
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the door, the pinks, yeah, the shades of pink. Well,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that was talk about a trigger for old luki Um,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: but you know, it was just more of the tension,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the sexual tension that was playing out. It's kind of
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the dance that they do before the consummation end. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that she convinced him to do it, and that she right,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that was pretty major and it's such an excuse for
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: them to spend all this time together. Had he not
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: felt a certain depth of feeling for her, there's no
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: way he would have agreed to that. Totally agree with you.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And she handled it, uh, with real finesse. She was
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: very careful about it, even to the point where she said, well,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: we're not going to paint over that that order that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: your father scribbled down. We'll do it the right way.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he was just like, man, I just want
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to kiss her. I just want to kiss her. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: just want to kiss her. I just want to kiss her.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. I mean, he wants
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to kiss us so bad it pisces him off. That's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: probably why he's cranky all the time. You know, it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like he just wants to plant one on her. Man,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: he wants her. So it's getting good. It's getting pretty good.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: M yeah, so we saw, you know, we saw, we
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: got to see other parts of the diner in some
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: detail and even talk about some of the things that
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: were up on the shelves that he was in no way,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: shape or form going to give in on and getting
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: rid of them at her request. There was no way.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It was like, I'm I'm gonna let him do this
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: painting thing, but you know, you're not going to change
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: me completely. So it was like pretty much telling her,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: we get into a relationship, but I'm willing to sort
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: of compromise with you, but not a. So he's his
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: own man. He's his own guy, you know, and he's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: i think entering a relationship or potentially in any relationship,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you've got to establish the ground rules that yeah, I'll
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: meet you halfway, but that's it, you know. So he's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a he's a hardass. He wants her, but he's a
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: hard ass for sure, which is I think important. That's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: why she likes him. He's as strong as she is
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: ys him. That's pent he's as tough as she is.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I think she Yeah, I think she likes the fact
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that he's never going to change and that she can't
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: change him very much, you know, that's the that's this,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: that's how I approached it. I wanted him to be
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a rock of Gibraltar. He's got to be the rock
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he can't break ever. So anyway, Yeah, delightful stuff. Yeah,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: delightful stuff. Just just wonderful home viewing. And hello, Christopher
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Well talking about home viewing. I'm Riley in this year
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: pop culture and our first pop culture is The Donnerie Show.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: So this is the show that Dean Rory and Laura
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Lae were all watching, and the series was developed by
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Donna Reed and her then husband, producer Tony Owen. The
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: show ran on ABC from to nineteen sixty six for
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a total of two d seventy five episodes. Read often
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: encouraged writers to create stories in which other characters had
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to be the main focus, and ABC nearly canceled the show,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: but it was renewed when ratings improved. When sponsors by Campbell,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Soup and Johnson and Johnson were at it. Mhmm, Laura
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: la says, it's getting a little to Lewis Carol for me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: And Lewis Carroll was an English writer for the children's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: fiction and it's known for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Luis's
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: real name is actually Charles Dobson, and Louis wrote himself
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: into the story as the Dodo Bird because he would
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes introduce himself as Dodson due to his stutter. Carroll
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: was not on drugs comparable to some of the rumors,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: but he did suffer from a strange disorder that caused
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: him to have hallucinations which made him feel bigger or
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: smaller than he was. WHOA Luke says, does Martha Stewart
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: do it? And this is when Laura Lai asked Luke
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: if he knows what stenciling is when they're they're repainting
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the diner. And Martha Stewart was America's first self made
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: female billionaire. She worked as a model throughout college to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: pay her for her tuition, and she was actually babysitter
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to high school kids of legendary baseball players Mickey Mantle
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and Yogi Barra. She was what she's there, it's babysitter.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: She was a babysitter for Mickey Mantle kids. No, no,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I know what you meant, not making Mantle back in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma when he was a kid. Stop it. And Martha
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Stewart recently posted a sexy selfie and admitted to it
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: being a thirst strap. I'm still imagining Luke's denziling, Like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: on what planet would that ever happen? Lorelai says, all
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: day long, just chirps like a maniac at the top
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of her lungs. Now nothing, silence Marcel Marcel chicken Uh.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Marcel was actually a mime, and the troop was soon
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: touring European countries presenting mine dramas. He created the figure Bip,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a melancholy, engaging clown with a limp red flower in
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: his hat. But what's creepier the clown, pillow or the lime?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I don't like times, I think David Bowie studied with
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Marcel Marcel. He did, I don't like I don't like minds.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Well you should see this Marcel Marceau character. Wow, what
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: is creepy? Our clowns are mimes equally bad maybe bad mimes,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: but good mimes are sort of magical. Oh I disagree,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: but I love that you just think that. Suki says wild,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that's very wild. Kingdom of you. Loria I says, I'm
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: like the Martin Marlin Perkins of Stars Hollow Marlin Perkins
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Wild Kingdom. Yes, So. The Wild Kingdom was a nature
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and wildlife TV series airing from nineteen sixty three to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: ninety eight, and it was revived in two thousand two,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: airing until two thousand eleven on Animal Planet. Marlon Perkins
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: narrated it and starred in the series. Many people who
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: watched the show recall the host being bitten by venomous snake,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: but it actually never happened on air. The snake bit
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Marlin Perkins in real life. It's up my love of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: snakes from that show. Thank you, Marlin Perkins. Laura I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: says A street car named Desire, Suki says Vivian Lee
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: or Jessica Tandy. So A street Car Named Desire was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: at seven play written by Tennessee Williams and made popular
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in the ninety one film adaptation. Vivian Lee started as
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the main character of Blanch in nineteen fifty one, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Tandy started as Blanch in ninety seven stage production. Jessica
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Tandy's husband played opposite her as the main character Mitch.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Laura I says, all of a sudden, I'm trying to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: get any poor unsuspecting person in bed with me. I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: like Michael Douglas was the best line of the whole show.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That was the best lad of the whole show. Brilliant.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm like this crazy person going
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: around trying to get everybody sleep with me. Like what
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: am my Michael Douglas? I what was the deal? Right?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Because I I know, but I want people that maybe
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: don't know. Michael Douglas has been part of more than
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: fifty Hollywood films, including Walls Street, Romancing the Stone, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Fatal Attraction. He is married to Katherine Sada Jones, who
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: is twenty five years younger than him, and it has
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: also said that he likes to date younger women, or
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: did before he was married. Yeah, I think I think
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Warren Beatty and Michael Douglas and Gilt Chamberlain, we're all
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: having a competition. Back in the seventies, Jack Nicholson was
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: probably in on that Dennis Hopper. You know, it's like
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: different times. This was before AIDS. It was during the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Cultural Revolution that was happening with the young people and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the hippies and free Love and Matta Johanna and acid
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and you know everybody was burning their bras and uh
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: dropping their trial. Lorelai says, I'm being morbid. Morbid, Joan
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and Meliss Rivers think I'm being morbid. And this was
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Emily and Richard say In, the late owner of the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Martha Vineyers House, which we had previously talked about. So,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Joan Rivers was a famous stand up comic, and Melissa,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: her daughter, is known for her acting and producing. Joan
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: got her big break on The Tonight Show after Bill
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Cosby recommended she replaced another comic that had bombed. The
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: mother daughter duo were longtime creative partners, appearing together on
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the Red Carpet and various reality shows such as Celebrity
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Apprentice and Joan and Melissa Joan Knows Best. Yeah, that
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: was actually a great scene in this episode. That scene
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: was a great scene before them. And that's it for
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: pop and did were we clear? On? On on? She
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: screams Stella when she when she got into the kitchen.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: That's Marlon Brando screaming for his wife and speetcar named
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Desire because they had had a fight and I think
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: he'd beaten her up a little bit because she tried
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to break up the card game early and and then
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: he was gone. And every man's the king of his
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: castle and Blanche was driving everybody crazy, and then he
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: was you know, that was the famous stella stella up
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the stairs, you know, and then she melts and he
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: just collapses in her lap. Husband and wife were reunited.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: So that was Laurel I screaming for the chick. And
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: for those keeping track in this episode, clown Pillow appeared
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: ten seconds in. It was quick, but he was there
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: really where um When Laurel I, Rory and Rory were
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: eating pizza and Dean was eating a salad, which I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: thought was very funny. Um, right there on the couch,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: right next to Rory. There were some um continuity errors
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: in this episode. Oh tell us that I noticed that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: maybe there were more, but I noticed two, one from
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Rory and one from me. Yes, yes, Uh when Rory
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Rory already pulled a piece of pizza. When when they
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: were coming in closer on Roy, she was already had
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a piece of pizza and she was eating it. And
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: then when they punched out a little bit later in
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the scene, not much later in the scene, she reached
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in and grabbed her first slice at pizza, so that
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: didn't match ouch. And then uh, in the diner when
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I was putting the uh, the half eaten burger from
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that table into a styrofoam container and a napkin. We
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: see me putting it in and then the very next cut, Uh,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I'm starting it all over again. So ouch on Luke
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Coach smacked me down. Yeah, and Scott, there was a
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: there was a continuity issue with a clown pillow too,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: because when Dean came in and sat down, he put
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: his jacket on top of the clown pillow and then
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: but a couple of seconds two into the scene, go
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: back to clown pillow. It's showing again. Then a couple
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: of seconds later, Dean's jackets over it again. So I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that's smart. Still that hurt.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: That's going to leave a mark on that. That's going
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: to leave mark that one. So we got pizza. We're like,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we're like dealing with the food, and the clown pillow
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: seems to sort of elude us somehow problematic. It's it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a problem, you know. Anyway, I hope nobody noticed it,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad I brought it up so you can
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: all notice it. So it adds to your enjoyment of
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the episode. Love it Probably what's your favorite line. My
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: favorite line is they're going to make me turn in
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: my pearls from Rory, we'll see painting songs. Oh, that's good.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That's good that that was a good painting. So that
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I don't spruce from Luke. I don't spruce, all right,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I don't spruce scot Um. It's got to be the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Michael Douglas line. I mean that made me just laugh
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: out loud. Yeah, that was that was a home run.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: That one. The Michael Douglas line was great. Anyway, Damn,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Donna Reid was a wonderful episode, really full of laughs,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: full of great acting, you know, the narratives developing, the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: storylines developing, and it's just just so great. And it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: there's some nice momentum on on both tracks with the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and then like we didn't discuss that scene when when
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: when Luke went outside to take the trash simultaneous with
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the Dean and yes, oh, I was going to talk
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: about the uh sort of the mirroring that was happening
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: in this episode. There was a lot of that. It
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was like those storylines were yeah, mom mother daughter having
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: definitely and it's like, you know, it's like the Rory's
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: getting further with Dean than I am getting with the Laurel.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I forgot. It's like their way ahead. We had a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: lot of catching up to two. It's like, come on,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: old people, hurry up. Do you get in the horse,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: let's go. It's like planning on or let's move it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You gotta compete with your daughter now So anyway, um
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: but thoroughly enjoyable. Yes, and now we Christopher returns, Wow,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: sure does. It's gonna be good luck to Luke new
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's coming to town. New Sheriffs in town. I hear
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: there's a Luke here. Things he's in charge. Well, I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: got a silver dollars, says maybe he ain't so far
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: no more? Oh good stuff. Christopher returns, All right, everybody,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: so let's let's everybody watch Christopher returns. We will reconvene,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: we will discuss the subtleties and the themes going on
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: in Christopher returns, as we are wont to do and uh,
• 55:56
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• 55:59
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