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Jayson Stark: Epically historic Fall Classic, New HOF vets ballot · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: You want weird, wild, wacky, you know where to go.
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  Speaker 1: Jason starts always bringing it in the Athletic with his
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  Speaker 1: articles throughout the season. He checked them out. But this
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  Speaker 1: was just perfection the World Series Game seven itself. Jason,
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  Speaker 1: great to have you on. How special was that to
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  Speaker 1: witness in person and with so many rarities?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, good to talk to you guys. It really
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  Speaker 2: was special. You know, there are certain games that you
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  Speaker 2: watch with your own eyes and you realize how lucky
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  Speaker 2: you are to be watching them. That was one of
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  Speaker 2: those games. I think there's a really compelling argument that's
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  Speaker 2: the greatest Game seven ever played. And I don't say
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  Speaker 2: that lightly. I'd had so many twists and turns and
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  Speaker 2: elements that normal baseball games don't have, game tying homer
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  Speaker 2: in the ninth go ahead homer in the eleventh. Oh
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  Speaker 2: World Series Game seven had ever had either, and we
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  Speaker 2: had both and then, I mean we could talk about
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  Speaker 2: all the stuff that happened in between. But what a
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  Speaker 2: freaking game.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Jason, forget the game? How about the series?
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  Speaker 4: Was this the best World Series we've ever seen as
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  Speaker 4: far as competitive wise?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Every game was closed? I guess Game one you throw
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  Speaker 4: out Game one, But after that every game was closed.
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  Speaker 4: Every game came down to a pitch here, a pitch there.
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  Speaker 4: We had extra innings, we had bottom of the ninth chances,
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  Speaker 4: we had guys making unbelievable plays.
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  Speaker 3: We had base running good and bad. We had this
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  Speaker 3: and that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it was every game besides probably Game one,
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  Speaker 4: we had something incredible to talk about. This is the
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  Speaker 4: best World series probably that I can remember for just competitiveness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, even Game one had the Barger Pinch Grand Slam,
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  Speaker 2: and they've ever been one of those. Every game had
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  Speaker 2: something great, and most of those games had just drama
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  Speaker 2: for hours and it just hung around the night. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think it of about this aji. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: certainly in the argument for greatest World series ever, you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen because you had the two epic droughts riding
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  Speaker 2: on it in Cleveland and Chicago two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was wild every step of the way
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  Speaker 2: right up up to Luis Gonzales. Twenty eleven became great
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  Speaker 2: because the last two games were so classic. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to do this kind of discussion without mentioning
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one with Marris Smoltz and Pucket and all
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  Speaker 2: the one run games. But you know, I really looked
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  Speaker 2: at this long and hard. I couldn't find a single
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  Speaker 2: World series that hit everything that this series had. So
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  Speaker 2: if we wanted to vote for this series his greatest
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  Speaker 2: series ever, people have a hard time PROVEM this's wrong. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Did the Jays outplay the Dodgers? I know the Dodgers won,
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  Speaker 3: But did the Jays outplay the Dodgers when you think
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  Speaker 3: about the end of this series?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think we could say yes, But
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever told you guys, I
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  Speaker 2: always wanted to do a thirty for thirty and call
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  Speaker 2: it one bounce of the ball. You know, the Dodgers
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  Speaker 2: always seemed like they got that one bounce of the
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  Speaker 2: ball that would change a game and determine who won
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  Speaker 2: and who lost. And I'm not telling you, guys anything
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  Speaker 2: you don't know. Baseball is about that, and it's especially
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  Speaker 2: about that in October. Like, think of all the stuff
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  Speaker 2: you could pick apart in the eighteen inning game. Think
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  Speaker 2: of all the stuff you could pick apart in Game
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  Speaker 2: six and seven Game seven, the Blue Jays didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a one, two, three inning until the tenth and they
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  Speaker 2: could never tack on Game six. Think how it ended.
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  Speaker 2: I think how incredible it is that they had second
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  Speaker 2: and third and nobody out in the ninth inning and
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  Speaker 2: then it was over in three pitches. You could say
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  Speaker 2: the ball bounced their way. I think it did a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that. Dodgers just have that knack and they
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  Speaker 2: have players that make those plays.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go off
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  Speaker 3: on this. I hate that. Did they out play them? No?
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  Speaker 3: They did it, Jason, because they lost. I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: You can say they had more hits out you know
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  Speaker 3: who won the Dodgers. And I'm sorry, like I get it,
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  Speaker 3: they maybe they played maybe. What you know why I
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  Speaker 3: think people.
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  Speaker 4: Say that, and I'm sorry crass for this is because
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  Speaker 4: people thought this was gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Be a smashing by the Dodgers. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So the little old Blue Jays, who won the most
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  Speaker 4: games in the American League by the way, Oh, they
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  Speaker 4: made it to seven games, so they outplayed the Dodgers
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  Speaker 4: and the Dodgers didn't play up to their potential. But
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  Speaker 4: you know what, the Dodgers still won. And you know
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  Speaker 4: what else, Jason, it was a great series. Viewership was
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  Speaker 4: through the route and it was good for baseball. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm tired of hearing people say, oh, the Dodgers didn't
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  Speaker 4: play as.
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  Speaker 3: Well as the Blue Jays boohoo.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry blue Jays fans, get played great, but the
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  Speaker 4: Dodgers still won.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what you can say, the ball been
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  Speaker 3: stuck in the wall, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, Mickey rojas ikf lead, whatever you want to say.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the champion is the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. There's no crying in baseball, right, there's no
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  Speaker 3: crying lost. I'm sorry Dodgers.
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  Speaker 4: The Dodgers played better because they won four before the
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  Speaker 4: Blue Jays did.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you're right. Whoever's holding the parade played better
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  Speaker 2: than I can tell you that. You know. Yesterday in
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  Speaker 2: the airport in Toronto, a huge Dodgers delegation was there
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  Speaker 2: waiting for their flight at the same time as my flight,
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  Speaker 2: and we were talking and I can't tell you how
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  Speaker 2: many of them talked about how how impressive the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays were. I think now that to me, that's a
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  Speaker 2: sign they underestimated the blue Jays going in. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: know the Blue Jays were that good. I think they
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  Speaker 2: felt like when they got by the Phillies, they were
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  Speaker 2: in good shape, you know, and then that team came along.
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  Speaker 2: That was a really hard out for them that maybe
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  Speaker 2: they didn't even expect. So look, tip your cap. The
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  Speaker 2: Blue were awesome. There's so much better than people thought,
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  Speaker 2: including the Dodgers. But who's having the parade today?
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  Speaker 3: We're talking We're talking about the Dodgers right now, because
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  Speaker 3: they're the champions. How about the fact that they used
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  Speaker 3: seven starters in Game seven? Who had that on their
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  Speaker 3: Bengo card every all, all pitchers would be seven starters.
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  Speaker 3: We knew it was going to be as the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: went that they were, you know, leaning away, away away
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  Speaker 3: from their bullpaying guys. But give us some give us
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  Speaker 3: some nuggets on the fact that they used seven starters
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  Speaker 3: in Game seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was mind blowing. The Dodgers had four starting
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  Speaker 2: pitchers in this World Series and all four of them
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  Speaker 2: pitched in that game. And the Blue Jays pitched everybody
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  Speaker 2: in their rotation except Kevin Gosman. So of course I
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  Speaker 2: had to dig into this. It's like three o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, we're looking at it, okay, But the only
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  Speaker 2: other game we could find in World Series history where
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  Speaker 2: seven pitchers pitched who had started a game in that
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  Speaker 2: World Series happened one hundred and one years ago, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and one, nineteen twenty four, and the seventh and
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  Speaker 2: last was Walter Johnson. So it's been kind of a while.
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  Speaker 2: And then we did find three other games where four
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  Speaker 2: starting pitchers pitched. But you know what was the difference
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  Speaker 2: between the Dodgers and those thing those teams, The Dodgers
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  Speaker 2: were the only ones that did that and one that
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  Speaker 2: lived to tell about it, Like, what did you think
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  Speaker 2: when all those guys kept parading out of the pen,
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  Speaker 2: and then here came Yamamoto. When Yamamoto jogged out of
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  Speaker 2: that pin, I got goosebumps.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jason, this was the Dodgers use their strength, right.
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  Speaker 4: Their strength was their starting pitching, and they relied on it.
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  Speaker 4: Is This is Randy Johnson in two thousand and one,
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  Speaker 4: pitching the day before and then coming out of the
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  Speaker 4: pen right to give them multiple innings. This is what
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  Speaker 4: I want to see. Everyone questioned Yamamoto, Right, oh, they
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  Speaker 4: signed this guy. Well, he's won two World Series in
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  Speaker 4: two years. He's been their best pitcher two years in
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  Speaker 4: a row. In the playoffs, he's been there one starter
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  Speaker 4: they can rely on. And in Game seven he threw
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  Speaker 4: two and two thirds after pitching six innings the night before.
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  Speaker 3: I love this.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, it shows you guys can pitch more
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  Speaker 4: Jason than we're giving him credit for. You know what,
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  Speaker 4: Innanamamoto now has four months to get ready for next year,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm sure he'll be heck, knowing Yamamoto, he'll probably
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  Speaker 4: be throwing out there in the parade route, doing long
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  Speaker 4: toss from bus to bus. Right, So I love this.
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  Speaker 4: This was exactly what the Dodgers needed to do to
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  Speaker 4: win this series. Dave Roberts nailed this entire series with
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  Speaker 4: his pitching strategy, with his hitting strategy, and listen, John
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  Speaker 4: Schneider did a great job too. I just love the
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  Speaker 4: fact that, again I keep going back this how competitive
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  Speaker 4: this World Series was, Jason. Will we ever see another
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  Speaker 4: team that'll have enough guts to do what Dave Roberts
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  Speaker 4: did and use his starters the way he did? Because
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  Speaker 4: even Snell pitched right knowing a teen in the game
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  Speaker 4: wasn't available, but Snell pitch right. Hopefully this is a
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  Speaker 4: blueprint going forward. You have to use your best pitchers
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  Speaker 4: in key spots.
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  Speaker 2: Did the baseball guys watch this show? Because I want
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  Speaker 2: these messages all the way to the baseball gods, so
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  Speaker 2: we can speak it into existence. If I had told
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  Speaker 2: you going in that the Dodgers would get seven outs
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  Speaker 2: out of their starter, seven outs out of Otani. When
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  Speaker 2: you have thought there's too many outs left to get
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  Speaker 2: they don't have the pen to do it, Yamamota made
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  Speaker 2: it all possible. They not only got through nine, they
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  Speaker 2: got through eleven. And teams will never do this, they'll
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  Speaker 2: never follow this model. Dave Roberts only followed this model
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  Speaker 2: because he had to. He had his circle of trust
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  Speaker 2: in his bullpen by the end was pretty much just zero.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was justin Robleski. You know, you couldn't even
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  Speaker 2: bring Roki Sasaki in there. So desperation and doing what
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  Speaker 2: you have to do fuel some of that thinking. But
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  Speaker 2: it is a reminder that we should take a step
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  Speaker 2: back and think about this. Pitchers have never pitched less
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  Speaker 2: and never been less healthy. When you look at this
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  Speaker 2: and you look at what that team did and what
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  Speaker 2: the Dodger's rotation did throughout the postseason, I hope there's
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  Speaker 2: a lesson in that for other teams. I hope they're
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  Speaker 2: paying attention.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I need you to compare two years what
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  Speaker 3: Madison Bumgarner did in twenty fourteen and what Yoshinobu Yamamoto
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  Speaker 3: did this past year. Who did it better in the postseason?
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  Speaker 2: In your opinion, Well, I mean that's a great call.
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  Speaker 2: There's no wrong answer. I think I would still vote
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  Speaker 2: for Madison Bumgarner because of when you think about what
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  Speaker 2: he did in Game five and then came back in
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  Speaker 2: Game seven and got was it fifteen out sixteen? That's
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  Speaker 2: whatever that was. He just wouldn't come out of that game.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I remember saying that Dave Righetti afterwards, he
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  Speaker 2: was their pitching coach. David was like, was Bumgarner just
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  Speaker 2: gonna stay in for as many things as you played?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, no, if you got in any trouble
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  Speaker 2: at the end, he was going to come out. I
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  Speaker 2: said that tying run was on third with two hours
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  Speaker 2: in the knife, and he said, yeah, he wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 2: give up a hit that Salvi Perez. So okay, that
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  Speaker 2: was epic, But this was epic within the context of
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  Speaker 2: the time. So I think what Bumgarner did I'd probably
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  Speaker 2: give extra weight to. But because of the age that
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  Speaker 2: these guys played baseball in now, yeah, Motor's right there.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jason. It was a great world series. But I
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  Speaker 4: want to I'm gonna switch gears for you a little
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  Speaker 4: bit here. I'm gonna go to the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 4: the Contemporary at the Contemporary era ballot that was just released.
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  Speaker 4: I played against a lot of these guys. I think
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  Speaker 4: I played against seven of the eight. I think I
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  Speaker 4: missed Fernando. Oh, Dave Dale Murphy. Sorry, he's another one
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  Speaker 4: I missed, but he deserves he should been in and
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  Speaker 4: Maddingly should.
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  Speaker 3: Have been into. So five of the eight maybe, But I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean I'm looking at this list, Okay, at least seven
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  Speaker 4: for these Now again, I don't know Fernando. I've looked
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  Speaker 4: up his numbers, but seven of these eight guys should
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  Speaker 4: already be in.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a Bonds guy, I'm a Clemens guy, I'm a
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  Speaker 4: Kent guy. I'm a Ben a Dale Murphy fan. And
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  Speaker 4: he said he should have been a long time ago, right,
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  Speaker 4: Mattingly should be in for what he did for the
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  Speaker 4: Yankees in the eighties. So they're seven of the eight
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  Speaker 4: right off the top of my head. And then if
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  Speaker 4: you look at Fernando's numbers, you look at Fernando, then
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  Speaker 4: I throw Mark Burley's got it. If Fernando Vealanzuela gets in,
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  Speaker 4: then Mark Burley should be on the first ballot next
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  Speaker 4: year to go to the Hall of Fame too. So
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  Speaker 4: how do you distinguish who you vote for in this?
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  Speaker 4: And do we know who's on this committee? Because that
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  Speaker 4: always makes a difference. But to me, listen, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: gonna name names, but there are dudes that we know
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  Speaker 4: did steroids that are in the Hall of Fame or
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: sorry that we have been mentioned in steroids in the
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Now I'm not saying anybody did it,
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  Speaker 4: but people have right. So if you're gonna use that
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  Speaker 4: and then Barry and Rodgers and you know, then they
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  Speaker 4: have to be in. But again, I don't know do
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  Speaker 4: you have a vote in this or who votes in this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we let me say this. We can't predict what's
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen. It always depends on who's in the room.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't know who's going to be in the room.
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  Speaker 2: Yet they won't name this committee for several weeks, might
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  Speaker 2: not even be till the first week of December. You know,
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  Speaker 2: get back to me at that point. It's a fascinating ballot.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys on here who I have
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  Speaker 2: voted for. You know, what's as interesting to me as
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  Speaker 2: who's on it as who's not on it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I thought Dwight Evans might be on there. He got
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  Speaker 2: eight votes from this committee two elections ago. I thought
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  Speaker 2: Kurt Schilling might be on there. He got seven votes
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  Speaker 2: last time around. The big surprise to me is Fernando. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's been retired for eighteen years, never appeared on any
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  Speaker 2: one of these Era Committee ballots. He's an interesting guy, right,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty one to say eighty six, Fernando is really
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  Speaker 2: similar to nineteen to eighty to eighty seven Dale Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder, are we seeing the shift
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  Speaker 2: in all Hall of Fame voting toward players with the
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  Speaker 2: big peaks, maybe not the longevity guys who we could
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  Speaker 2: say had a period of time where we were arguing,
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  Speaker 2: are they the best player in baseball? Are they the
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  Speaker 2: best pitcher in baseball? I think that's what Fernando is
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  Speaker 2: doing on there.
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  Speaker 3: Because of this list, Is there a maximum amount of
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  Speaker 3: people that can be voted from this list? I'm not
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  Speaker 3: as familiar with the process for the Contemporary Era list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've served on these before, and it's really hard.
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  Speaker 2: The way it works now is you have eight you
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  Speaker 2: have eight candidates, But it used to be last time
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  Speaker 2: I was on, you could vote for four. Now you
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  Speaker 2: can only vote for three. You gonna get seventy five percent.
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  Speaker 2: So say, if you have somebody like Fred McGriff who
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  Speaker 2: pretty much who runs the table, gets a vote from
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  Speaker 2: everybody in the room, it's almost mathematically impossible to have
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  Speaker 2: a second guy, and I especially a third guy. So
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  Speaker 2: you could you could see a scenario where Bonds and
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  Speaker 2: Clemens get in, Murphy and Maddenly get in. That is possible,
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  Speaker 2: but it's that there's just not enough space. There's only
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  Speaker 2: you know again, three times sixteen is forty eight total votes,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got to get twelve to get elected. Like,
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  Speaker 2: do the math in your heads. It's it's almost impossible
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  Speaker 2: to get more than two, and even two's hard.
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  Speaker 3: Who do we know who votes on this Jason? Do
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  Speaker 3: we know who's on this committee?
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  Speaker 2: I can, I mean, I can tell you the makeup
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  Speaker 2: of it. There's usually I think it's four or five
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  Speaker 2: writer historians, so you know, right, basically prominent baseball writers
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  Speaker 2: and somebody like a Steve Hurt, who's a great baseball historian.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's a number of Hall of Fame players who
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  Speaker 2: are in the room and they're always great. And then
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  Speaker 2: there is a portion of the committee is baseball executives
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  Speaker 2: that can be three, four, five, maybe even six depending
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  Speaker 2: on the makeup of the room. So it's an interesting mix.
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  Speaker 2: HG have done this, you know. I know people take
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of shots at these committees, but the process
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: is fantastic. I mean, I can tell you that, Like
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: my role was obviously to say, hey, here's player X.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: This is the case for player X, this is why
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I think he never got elected, and then thrown out
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: to all those baseball people in the room and say
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to them, what did you guys see? And their perspective
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: is amazing, just like you guys, they played against these players.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And it's a really valuable part of the process. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: writers shouldn't corner the market on who a Hall of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Famer is and isn't. People in baseball should get a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: second look from a committee like this. I'm really glad
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: this committee exists.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I forgot to mention Carlos s dog Gotta,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: who was one of the best hitters I ever played
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: against for a long time. I mean, but Jeff can't
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: lead to all second basement and home runs, right, Like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: how is he not in? I just I never understand
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: how he didn't get in on the regular ball. And
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Carlos still Gotta has, you know, four hundred and seventy
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: three home runs. I mean, I'll throw him up against
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Fred McGriff fifteen hundred RBIs and no McGriff had like.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Twenty more homers.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: But I mean, these are guys that I know when
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I played, Like you look at Carlos still Gotta, You're like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: that guy's.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: A Hall of Famer.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I can't hit like him, right, Like Jeff Kent. It's
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: mind boggle, Dale Murphy, the two MVPs. What Don maddingly
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: did for that seven to eight year stretch, I don't know. Barry,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Bonds and Clemens are on a whole different level of
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: player than anything I ever saw. So it's just amazing
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: to me that when I look at this, that some
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: of these guys didn't get in already and now they
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: have to fight each other to get in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It's insane to me.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I voted for almost everybody on here, I think,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: so I'm looking at it, I guess I'd never voted
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: for Valezuela. I mean Carlos Delgado. He was on a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: ballot that was so loaded. If I remember right, I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: think there are fourteen Hall of Famers on that ballot.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: But somebody got elected from the ballot his year. We
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: had really overcrowded ballots. But he's one of our very
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: worst one and Dons Kent he went all ten years,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Chef went all ten years. Dale Murphy went fifteen years
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: and never got elected. Bonds and Clemens went the distance.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: They had opportunities. The fact that Carlos Delgado was one
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and done, that's like that changed the way I vote.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I'm serious. When he was one and done, I thought
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to myself moving forward, I can't let this happen again.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Almost every election now, if we have a real the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: crowded ballot, I'm voting for somebody to keep him on
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the ballot because it's embarrassing when we don't elect players
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: All Right, My last question you guys brought up Jeff Kent.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: When's a j Persinski going to get put on the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: ballot because we are underrepresented in the Hall of Fame.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I joke about it, but I'm actually kind of serious.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: The two positions that I think are underrated, I mean
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: undervalued in the Hall of Fame are second base and catcher.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So if we talk about Jeff Ken as a second baseman,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: we have to start looking at the catching position differently.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see aj on this ballot.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: When you appear in the writer's ballot, did you get
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: some notes and.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: One of them wasn't Jason Stark?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah? That is true, but that notwithstanding.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: How was Jorge Pisada one and done?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Guy?
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Look at his number right right, not on this ballot? Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: not anywhere to be found. He was out quick. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: mean I could go through a whole list of dudes.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: I played again Johnny Damon and we could throw in
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: there too.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He was one done. He's got twenty eight hundred and
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: seventy hits in his career. Multiple worlds.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Like, there's a slew of people I look at and
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how they how are they off the ballots
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: so fast?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Well, again, we went through a period where the ballots
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: were just so overloaded. Trust me, it was. It was
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: so hard, you know, I used to I went years
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: where I never voted for ten and I'd look at
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the ballots some of these years and think I'd like
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to vote for fifteen and you only get ten. We
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: once asked the Hall of Fame as a group, could
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: we increase the number of players we could vote for,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: or could we do it? So we look at every
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: name on the ballot and vote yes or no. But
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: they don't want that. They turned that down. They get
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: how it is. Ten is always going to be the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: limit from what we've been told, right, So what do
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you do when the ballot has more deserving names. It's awful, awful,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: awful to send that ballot off and realize the people
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you didn't vote for. I'm telling you, like all the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: people who think Hall of Fame vating, voting is fun,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it's easy. Look, it's a privilege, But it is so
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: hard when you hold that ballot in your hands, because
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it's not just about clicking a box. This is about
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: lives and legacies. This is life changing when these guys
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: get elected to the Hall of Fame or when they don't.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And it creates really good content.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Stop it craps.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It creates really good content and discussion and debate about
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: our sport. Yeah, I'm frustrated too that they don't extend
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it past ten, but I get what the concept is
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: for them, like figure it out in ten and if not,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: then we debate it and we talk about it on
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: shows like this. So Jason, I would say, get some rest.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: You seem well rested, full of energy. I know this
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Game seven and the entire postseason probably gave you even
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: more energy. So thank you for stopping by. It was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: much needed. Your our historian for sure on this, so
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate you and everyone check out his article which has
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: much more in the Athletic in terms of the historical
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: perspective on what we saw from the World Series. Thanks Jason,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: good to see it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you too. Always great to visit Foul Territory. See
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you guys,