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Best of Ian Furness 10/21 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, my man?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been still here.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I'm not here as much. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, too, man. Let's get right into it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's evaluate this team so far. You guys aren't where
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  Speaker 1: you want to be, I'm sure, in terms of record.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you feel about how things are going?
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  Speaker 4: Man, I still think we're a very well-connected team. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I just think we're just waiting to play well on
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  Speaker 4: all three phases of the game. And I was going
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  Speaker 4: to come, you know. It happens in the NFL. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get everybody's best A game, and we've
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  Speaker 4: got to bring ours every game.
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  Speaker 1: Jim, what's it like behind closed doors in terms of how–
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  Speaker 1: because this team, you win a Super Bowl, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like you guys went 17-0. So there were ups
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  Speaker 1: and downs last year. In fact, you had the same
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  Speaker 1: record at one point last year at 3-2. So there
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  Speaker 1: were ups and downs, but take us into that room.
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  Speaker 1: How's the attitude? Do you feel pressure? What is it
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  Speaker 1: that we don't see in media, what fans don't see,
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  Speaker 1: that they need to know about how this team is
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors?
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  Speaker 2: There's no pressure.
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  Speaker 4: Of course we know we need to pull these games
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  Speaker 4: out and win these closed games, but we're just sticking
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  Speaker 4: to course, man. We know what we're doing. We trust
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  Speaker 4: our process. We trust everybody in the building. We trust
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  Speaker 4: our coaches. We trust ourselves. It's going to turn around.
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  Speaker 4: We just got full of faith. We still practice hard.
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  Speaker 4: Everything we're doing is still the same, and it's going
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  Speaker 4: to turn around for sure.
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  Speaker 1: You're one of the true team leaders on this team.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about that over the years and where that
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  Speaker 1: came from, the lineage that you're part of. You're part
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  Speaker 1: of this group with Mike and Cliff and those guys
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  Speaker 1: that kind of led you down the road. Now you're
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  Speaker 1: that guy along the way. We'll get to that in
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  Speaker 1: a second. But just in terms of that, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to let you say it. Let's talk about your quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me. you're a defensive guy. Tell us about
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback. Tell us about Sam, what you feel about
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  Speaker 1: him right now.
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  Speaker 4: I feel Sam is a great leader, man. He's a
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  Speaker 4: great leader, a great quarterback. We're not wavering from him
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  Speaker 4: at all. We trust him in everything he does and
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  Speaker 4: decisions that he makes. We're behind him the full way.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever they have to figure out to get going, they
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  Speaker 4: got to figure it out and they're going to.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's going to turn around for the better.
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  Speaker 1: You've been on teams that that's not the case, right?
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  Speaker 1: There's been a division with the offense and the defense,
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming, over the years. Heck, I I won't go
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  Speaker 1: into two specifics, but I think it happened here at
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  Speaker 1: one point, too.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So you've been through that before. How do you guys
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  Speaker 1: stay connected, offense, defense, as a whole team?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we're a brotherhood. That's part of my ties. That's
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  Speaker 4: part of the 12 is one. You know, just we
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  Speaker 4: don't point fingers at anybody. We control what we can.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're going to show up every day.
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  Speaker 1: Our guy Jaron Reed is with us right now. Big
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  Speaker 1: one this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big one this weekend. Yeah. I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: as a fan, I think you've got to be excited.
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City rolls in here, Mahomes. I heard they have
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  Speaker 1: a new running back. Some other stuff. Andy Reid. Let
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  Speaker 1: me go into that room. You played there. You know
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  Speaker 1: what that culture's like there. What is it about them
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  Speaker 1: that makes them so special every year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 4: They have a great coach. Andy Reid is a great guy.
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  Speaker 4: Spags is a great guy. They trust their process as well.
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  Speaker 4: They're a well-knit team. They've been playing together for a
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  Speaker 4: long time. Same situation is here. We've been together for
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  Speaker 4: three years. They've been together for longer, but They got
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  Speaker 4: great camaraderie. It's old school football, you know, with new principals,
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  Speaker 4: the same type of ordeal. And things will be a
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  Speaker 4: great game, man. They're a good team. It's off to them,
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  Speaker 4: but we're a good team as well.
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  Speaker 1: Jaren, Mike Holman is a big part of our radio station.
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  Speaker 1: We all have Mike on for years, love him. And
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  Speaker 1: he's obviously, he was the guy that kind of the
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  Speaker 1: tutor for, and he came from his tree. Okay. Andy
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  Speaker 1: Reid's a Hall of Famer. He's going to go in
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame as soon as he wants to,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as he's done coaching. What is it about
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid that separates him from other coaches? Because you
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  Speaker 1: watch him afar, you see this big grizzly bear of
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  Speaker 1: a gentleman looking like a sideline, but you look at
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  Speaker 1: the record, the numbers speak for themselves. What is it
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  Speaker 1: about him that makes him special?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's the way that he demands the players,
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  Speaker 4: demands greatness. You know, if anything's going wrong, he calls
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  Speaker 4: out what he sees, no matter who it is, and
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  Speaker 4: he demands greatness from his players. And, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he never wavers. You know, any things go bad, he doesn't, like,
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  Speaker 4: try to go in and change what they're doing and
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  Speaker 4: change the process. You just get better at what you're doing,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he does a good job of that.
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  Speaker 1: I say that because you got a guy here that's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit younger than Andy by 30 years, but
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  Speaker 1: a little bit younger. Here we are in year three
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  Speaker 1: of Mike McDonald. Good 10-win season the first year. Lombardi
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  Speaker 1: Trophy sits out in the hallway for second year. I
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  Speaker 1: know you guys will turn it around at some point
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  Speaker 1: during this year, but you've been around Mike now long enough.
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  Speaker 1: You were around Pete for those years. You've been around Randy.
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  Speaker 1: You've been lucky. You've been around some pretty damn good
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  Speaker 1: coaches over your years, right?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about Mike in year three. We saw him
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  Speaker 1: on hard knocks. We saw this guy's kind of a nerd,
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  Speaker 1: but he's kind of a good nerd, but he's got
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  Speaker 1: that presence about him. How does he balance that where
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  Speaker 1: he can relate to a guy like you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Mike takes control, man. He's a great coach, very
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  Speaker 4: sturdy guy. And I'm very headstrong, and that's what you
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  Speaker 4: need as a head coach, man. He's not afraid to
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  Speaker 4: attack what needs to be attacked. He's not afraid to
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  Speaker 4: say what needs to be said, and he demands great
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  Speaker 4: affirmation as well.
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  Speaker 2: I like his thinking. I like his methods. I like
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  Speaker 2: how he attacks everything and gets us going, and we
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  Speaker 2: trust him, and we trust his process.
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  Speaker 1: The process this week, and Jared, read with us, is
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  Speaker 1: going to be canine. Like, you know he's coming. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know that they're going to make a– he's been
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  Speaker 1: a focal point all year anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know him. You know him as well as anybody.
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  Speaker 1: He knows you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Excited about the matchup and why?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very excited. I mean, K-9 is my friend. It's
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  Speaker 2: my guy. But, you know, on Sunday, there's no friends.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, does Jeremy have a
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  Speaker 1: friend on the other team on Sunday? Nah, nah, nah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, well, you know, it's a good offense, good defense. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just speaking on our side of the ball,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to be ready to play.
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  Speaker 1: What does it separate him, K-9? What separates him from other?
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  Speaker 1: You go against good running backs every week. What separates him?
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  Speaker 2: I think K-9 is a complete back.
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  Speaker 4: Um, He's got– if you don't play a sound gap,
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  Speaker 4: he can hurt you. He's an explosive back, complete, three-down back. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whenever he gets the ball in his hands,
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  Speaker 4: he's always electric. So, you know, we got to get
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  Speaker 4: the left-hands to the ball.
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  Speaker 1: You got the other guy that plays quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He's back.
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  Speaker 1: He's healthy. You were around him for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. Let's talk about him, what makes him special,
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  Speaker 1: what separates him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pat's a true leader, man. He's a dog mentality.
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  Speaker 4: He has, like, the high-level quarterback play mixed with some
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  Speaker 4: backyard play. And, yeah, they're good at what they do, man.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: got to get ready to play Sunday, man. It's 11
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  Speaker 4: on 11.
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  Speaker 1: Does it drive you nuts as a defensive lineman when
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  Speaker 1: you see Mahomes, especially when you're going against him, when
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  Speaker 1: you see him, he does that little thing where he's
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  Speaker 1: going to run. It looks like he might slide or
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  Speaker 1: step out of bounds. And then he tries to get, like,
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  Speaker 1: 10 more yards because you can't hit him. Yeah. How
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  Speaker 1: do you balance that, man? Like, you got to be
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  Speaker 1: able to kill the guy at that point.
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  Speaker 4: You haul ass to the ball and you hit him.
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  Speaker 4: And if he slides, you just fly over the top.
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  Speaker 4: You don't stop.
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  Speaker 1: They protect quarterbacks too much this league, don't they?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: You know, everybody has an opinion for sure.
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  Speaker 1: What's your opinion?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to get fined for saying that.
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  Speaker 4: I think, I definitely think they do, you know, which
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  Speaker 4: they can go all the way around the board, especially
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  Speaker 4: for guys on defense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's the way of life.
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  Speaker 1: They don't protect you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: They don't protect you guys. I'll wrap it up with this,
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  Speaker 1: Jaron Reed. We've talked about this here. I just love,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by this. Just your story's great. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Watching you evolve has been awesome, just watching from the
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  Speaker 1: young guy coming in here, from Bam and everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: But you're the guy now. You're the alpha dog in
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  Speaker 1: that room so many times. You're trying to lead the
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  Speaker 1: young Derek Halls world. But you've got guys like Chena
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  Speaker 1: and DeMarcus and others in there too. But how much
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  Speaker 1: do you embrace the role? Because we saw Cooper do
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  Speaker 1: that a lot in hard knocks, right? And Cooper kind
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  Speaker 1: of really does on the offensive side in his own way.
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  Speaker 1: We saw a little bit of you on Hard Knocks.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to see more, by the way. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see more.
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  Speaker 2: I'll stay away from it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you stay away from it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you really try to stay away from it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, I was telling people, I said, I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: if they want to have some fun, they'll put a
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  Speaker 1: mic on Jeremy, okay? But how much do you just
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  Speaker 1: embrace the role that you're in right now? You're a
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  Speaker 1: key player on the field, but I know what Mike
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  Speaker 1: said and stuff, you're probably as important off the field
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  Speaker 1: for this team. How much do you just embrace being that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's good, man. I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, I've got a lot to give to
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  Speaker 4: the guys being one of the last guys in the building.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just being here, you know, for a minute.
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  Speaker 4: And just letting the guys know the way of life,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how we attack stuff, just the mindset that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we've got to take on as a team
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  Speaker 4: to be a great championship caliber team. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the room there's a lot of great guys like that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Leo, Chana, E.J., You know, we have some
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  Speaker 4: real dogs on the team. You know, every guy has
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  Speaker 4: their calling. And sometimes I can chat a little bit
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  Speaker 4: to get the guys going.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, it's all just to make sure we're
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  Speaker 2: all on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: You won't have to do that this weekend. I'll wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up with this. I had Dee Holland here a
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  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. We're talking about San Francisco. You've been
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  Speaker 1: here through the highs and the lows. I would say
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  Speaker 1: the lows in 2023 when all of a sudden you're
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  Speaker 1: looking out there and there's, like, more Pittsburgh fans or
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  Speaker 1: 49er fans in the building than there were Seattle fans.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the case anymore. Lumen Field's back.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lumen Field's back. What do you guys need? What do
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  Speaker 1: you need from Lumen Field and what difference? Because there
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  Speaker 1: is a rumor that Kansas City is a louder stadium.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but what do you need from
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  Speaker 1: the 12s this weekend?
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  Speaker 4: Down here in Lumen, first of all, fill all the
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  Speaker 4: seats in. We don't need to see no red. It
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  Speaker 4: needs to be all Cs of blue. And fill it
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  Speaker 4: in and get loud, man. We need the decimals up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think– have we made people jump off sides
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  Speaker 4: yet this year?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no. That's what we need.
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  Speaker 1: We need a loud rock.
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  Speaker 2: We need another earthquake.
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  Speaker 1: You need it. He's 24. I just saw him at
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  Speaker 1: the hockey game last night. Maybe he can roll in
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  Speaker 1: there and get a couple carries.
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  Speaker 2: We definitely need another earthquake, man.
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  Speaker 1: Beast quake or something. Do they make a difference?
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely make a difference, man. They bring energy to us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, it's great seeing you. I appreciate you coming in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you get a lot of requests, so I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this. Thank you, man. It's a big week.
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  Speaker 1: That's our guy, Jaren Reed. We'll take a quick break.
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  Speaker 1: Come back with more 9-3.3 KDRFM.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here we are talking college football with our guy,
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  Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel, editor-in-chief of the Athletics College Football Coverage, one
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: of the three co-hosts of the Audible podcast as well,
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: which is sensational. And good to have Stu on. Honestly, Stuart,
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  Speaker 1: I look forward to this every week. I don't just
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: say that, not lip service. I've really been looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to this conversation for the last probably six, seven days,
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  Speaker 1: whenever all hell broke loose with 2014 playoffs. And I know,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, we had– If it was ESPN, they
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  Speaker 1: would have named Saturday something already, probably, you know, Catastrophe Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: whatever they would have called it. But good to have
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  Speaker 1: you on, my friend. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: What's the biggest storyline from the last week, Stu? Is
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: it 2014 playoff and the people mad about that? Or
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: is it what happened on the field on Saturday?
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I mean, I think they've kind of fallen hand
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  Speaker 3: in hand. The 2014 playoff was huge news. And then
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  Speaker 3: Saturday was awesome. And I think it led to a
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: lot of us thinking, well, what would this have felt like?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'll be honest, I'm pretty heartbroken about the 2014 playoff.
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  Speaker 3: That's how much I feel like this is a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: And I woke up still kind of upset about Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 3: And then the game started and they were awesome. You
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  Speaker 3: were able to put that to the side, but I
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  Speaker 3: did find myself thinking, well, what would this feel like
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  Speaker 3: next year? What would some of these games have felt
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  Speaker 3: like next year if you didn't have the stakes of,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, that Ohio State-Indiana game? whether Nick Marsh gets
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  Speaker 3: his foot in or not, is going to determine whether
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State would be on the bubble right now and
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  Speaker 3: without their quarterback, right? That was the stakes there. Texas
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  Speaker 3: is in crisis right now. I don't think they would
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  Speaker 3: be in crisis. They could go 8-4. So it's hard
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  Speaker 3: not to think about the two in connection to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go through the– I'll get to the on-the-field stuff
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  Speaker 1: because we'll start looking ahead to next week as well.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just talk about the 2014 playoff. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel the same way as you. I hear both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the argument. When someone says to you, Stuart Mandel,
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  Speaker 1: why are you against the 2014 playoff? What's your answer?
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  Speaker 3: It devalues the greatest regular season in sports.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's bang on. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to argue that. I know that... Is this
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  Speaker 1: just strictly... Get away from the money grab for schools
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. I saw the quotes from, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was Western Michigan's coach. But I talked about this with
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  Speaker 1: my buddy Gary Parrish from CBS Sports and does a
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  Speaker 1: great college basketball podcast. We had this conversation last year
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  Speaker 1: when they were talking about and now expanding the March Madness.
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  Speaker 1: He said, what we're doing here is we're allowing this
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  Speaker 1: middle group of teams that have achieved nothing, coaches to
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  Speaker 1: save their livelihoods perhaps, their jobs, what have you, So
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  Speaker 1: what is the reasoning behind 24 teams besides just the
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: obvious that the Big Ten wants to get all their
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: teams in or the SEC wants to get all their
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: teams in, which is weird because I thought the SEC
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: was against it.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: I think to this day, Greg Sankey personally is against it,
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: but he's got to do what his members want. Um,
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: this is all just an offshoot of everything else. Everything ever,
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: every other form of chaos has happened over the last
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: five to six years. These schools, these ADs are just
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: chasing their tails nonstop. How are we going to afford this?
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: How are we going to afford that? How are we
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: going to afford to pay the players? And I think
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: even though this isn't going to make them a windfall
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: by any means, they look at it as if I'm
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: going to expect my donors to keep giving me money
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: to fund a 30, 40, $ 50 million roster every year, um,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: I need to be able to tell them that, hey,
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: it paid off with X. And if we're not going
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: to make the 12-team playoff regularly, then let 12 more
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: of us make it. The analogy I use in there,
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: it's like they all ask for a booster seat to
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: sit at the adult table. And it's a shame because
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: I think every decision they've made, the leaders of the
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: sport make are so short-sighted and they never think down
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: the road. And so they may think, well, if we
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: make the 2014 playoff, everybody will be happy. Maybe the
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: first time, but I think much like in every other sport, right,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: then it'll be, well, did you go far enough? And
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I think we will see coaches get fired because they
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: snuck into the 2014 playoffs as a low seed and
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: got killed in the first round. You know, I think
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I get the people, the fan bases I'm seeing who
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: are the most into it are frankly from the Big 12.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: And I think because they're frustrated that there seems to
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: be a cap of one, maybe two teams in this
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: current iteration for them. And I get that. And so, yeah,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: the first time that Oklahoma state or Kansas state or
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: somebody makes this, I'm sure it's going to be a
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: really big deal, but I think reality is going to
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: set in pretty quickly when they realize your nine and
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: three big 12 team is never going to make it
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: over the big center SEC is eight and 14. Like
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: this is going to continue to be dominated by those
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: two conferences. Um, And so it may feel at first like, oh,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: this is great. We have so much more access. And
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: then I think it's going to settle in like, oh,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: this is really just the 12 team percentage-wise.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Well, and Stuart Mandel joining us from the Athletic. See,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: that's the thing I've kind of come back to is that,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: you know, who does it benefit? It doesn't probably benefit,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: as you said, the Big 12. Boy, I really don't
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: think it benefits the ACC, right? I mean, like I'm
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: just looking at it even this year. In the ACC,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Miami would be in. maybe Wake would be in. Does
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the ACC ever get more than two teams in? Does
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: the Big 12 ever get more than two teams in?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Because you said it right. The SEC and then, to
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a certain extent, the Big 10, those extra teams are
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: going to come from those two conferences, right?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Well, this was Tony Petitti's. He ended up getting everybody
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: on board, but this was his drive from the beginning.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Let's think about the Big 10, who's actually done pretty
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: well in getting teams in. But they're the obvious sets, right?
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: They're Ohio State, Indiana, you know, those kind of teams. Well,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Penn State the first year. He's doing this for Minnesota
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: and Iowa and Illinois and Purdue, frankly. Northwestern, these teams
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: that are not realistically going to make the 12-team playoff
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: very often, if ever. But now don't view... Iowa fan
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: base in particular has always been, I think, more excited
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: about going to a good New Year's Day Bowl than
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: anybody else. But even they now feel like that's not
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: a worthy reward.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm going to look at. I kind
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of look at it more like it's the mushy middle
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: gets taken care of. If you're a Washington fan, you're
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: thrilled about this. You think this is the greatest thing ever.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, not based on the surveys and
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: stuff we're doing where 85% of the fans are against this.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: And that includes fans of teams that would benefit from it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, my colleague David Udman did a
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: story in the off season about how 80 different schools
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: would have made it under this format since 2014, if
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: you go by the old rankings. And yet there are
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of fans of those schools that have enough
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: appreciation for the sport as a whole to say, no,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I don't want to, You know, it's frustrating to me
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that this is all happening right after Indiana won the
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: national championship. You would think that would have been the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: sign of there's hope for everybody. Like, why don't we
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: want to go out and try to become the next
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Indiana versus why don't you lower the bar for the
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: rest of us? That's exactly.
• 18:03
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  Speaker 1: absolute best will do. Stuart, does this help anybody in
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the group of six?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, theoretically it does just because there's now more
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: opportunities for more than one of them to get in. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: There have been seasons in the past. There may be
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: seasons going forward where they have more than one team
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: ranked in the top 24. And then maybe, honestly, I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: guess the other thing I would say is they might
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: be playing lower ranked teams in those early games than
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: they do now. So maybe it gives you a little
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: more chance. I actually, I think that those are probably
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the teams that I feel best for in this situation
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: because it gives them a path that we've seen in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: basketball before. where a mid-major crashes the party, pulls some upsets,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: raises their profile, and eventually gets invited up to a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: better conference.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, to me, I would look at it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like this. If you're going to tell me that with
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: 24 teams, you could have a year, like, say, let's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: just use this year, where, let's say Oregon State beats
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Boise State, and so Oregon State's got two losses, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they beat Boise State. Boise State's got two losses, loss
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to Oregon State, loss to Oregon. Oregon still ends up
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: being maybe okay. Those two teams could get in and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: maybe even a JMU or somebody like that?
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, maybe. I think one thing I'm trying
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: to manage expectations on is it's very easy to go
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: back and look at the past rankings and say, well, see,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: this is how it would have turned out. The committee
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: is now going to be paying a lot closer attention
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: to who they rank 13 to 24 than they have
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in the past. And I think they're going to be
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: much more strict about strength of schedule. So I wouldn't
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: just assume that, well, if James Madison goes 11-1 this
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: year and Boise, they'll all be in the top 25.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily assume that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: My last one on this before we move to the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: games on the field. Will Notre Dame ever miss the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: playoff if it's a 24-team field?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They had some pretty bad teams back
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: in the Bob Davey, Ty Willingham period.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: This works out great for them. There's no question about
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: it because they do have to worry right now about
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: with the SEC going to nine. Everybody's gone to nine
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: games now. There's less opportunities for them to schedule those
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: kind of opponents, which would have made it hard to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: get in some years at 10-2 if you didn't play
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a great schedule. But I think the ones that it
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: benefits the most and who probably don't need it to
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: is Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, like are these, you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: you say as a team, Ohio state hasn't gone less
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: than 10 and two in the regular season since I
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: think 2011. You think they're going to go less than
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: eight and four is there. It's going to, we're going
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to know going into every single season, probably at least
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: a half dozen of the teams are already in the playoffs.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And that's not true in any other sport. It's really
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: not like that. You don't know going into the NFL season.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You might think you know who the best teams in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the NFL are in a given season, but none of
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: them are preordained. In this sport, being what it is,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the has and the has nots, yeah, there's a small
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: handful of blue blood programs that are going to be
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in it every year.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Well, the NFL had a preordained team this year in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles named the Rams, and they're two and four.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So you never know. You never know how things are
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: going to work out. Stuart Bedell joining us. All right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Last weekend. Let's start with BYU-Notre Dame. The classic holy
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: war that took place comes down to the final play. Stuart,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: how bad did the Big 12 officials screw up? Should
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame have had one more? Take the P.I. aside.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Should they have one more chance at a win in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that game?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: They should have. They screwed that up as badly as
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten did. But if you notice, not nearly
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: as much outrage because the last team anybody's going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: feel sorry for is Notre Dame. So it hasn't blown
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: up the way that one did the first game. But,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know it's not good in the Big 12.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: It only took them like an hour to come out
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and put out that statement that, yeah, we got that wrong.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: When are we going to not have that issue anymore
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: with clocks and time in football? I mean, that's two
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: times in this season that we've had egregious issues With
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a clock, I don't know what can be done. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: know you've talked to people around football. Because it taints
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it for BYU, too. I guess that's the other thing.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: There's going to be people that will look over and say, well, BYU,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: they beat Notre Dame, sort of. We have no idea
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: what Notre Dame was going to do on the last play.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: We don't know. It's not like the Western Michigan thing
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was different. We have no idea if Notre Dame was
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: going to score on that final play.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: The Western Michigan thing is they were winning when the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: game ended. We don't know if Notre Dame would have actually...
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, they were still 10 yards out, right? They
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: still would have had to make a pretty remarkable play.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, let's look around the rest of college
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: football and all this stuff. What's going on with Kalen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: DeBoer in Alabama? How concerned are fans down there with
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: what's going on? I know Ryan Grubb comes under fire.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here at the building where he was the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for one year only, and one and done
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: before rejoining Kalen. But what's the story with Kalen DeBoer
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: in Alabama right now?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I caught a little find on the other day,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and apparently the Alabama, it's not DeBoer they're mad at,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it's Ryan Grubb, which is interesting.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: They looked, there's no other way to put it, they
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: looked really unprepared and overmatched on offense in that game,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and it was puzzling because they have actually looked really
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: good on offense this year. I do not make excuses,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: but I'm sure losing that Georgia game the way they
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: did at the end and turning around and going on
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the road to your arch rival, that's not an easy turnaround.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: They have a chance, I think, to right the ship
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: here this week against a really struggling Texas A &
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: M team. But yeah, they're teetering. I think one reason
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: it's hard to definitively rule any of these SEC teams
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: out is I'm sure there's going to be a 9-3
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: SEC playoff team, at least one. So you just don't know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Can Alabama afford another loss on top of that and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: still go? I don't think we would count on that necessarily,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't rule it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Out. You wrote, and I think this is awesome, if
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you're looking for an overrated conference, I'd point you to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, which is 4-10 against Power 4 conferences.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: The Big Ten is an interesting conference. We just saw
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the great matchup, Ohio State-Indiana, but that takes on a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: different tone now, too, because Ohio State loses Julian Sands.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And the guy that would have been their number two
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is at Louisville. The guy that they thought would be
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: number two was a five-star, got beat out by a three-star,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: if that matters at all, and so on and so forth.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: But Ohio State doesn't have their starting quarterback. UCLA doesn't
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have their starting quarterback. Michigan maybe are finally going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: make a move at the quarterback position. But let's look
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: at the Big Ten. The Big Ten as a whole,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: what's our assessment of this conference right now?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Pretty underwhelming. Now I want to give UCLA credit for
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: what they've done. And if they end up playing in
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the big 10 championship game, you know, we won't be
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: complaining about that. Indiana is still really good.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I'm waiting.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to, I don't want to
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: small house. They fall apart. Brian day knows what he's
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: doing with quarterbacks, but it gets really thin after that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Cause Oregon has been disappointing. Michigan has been disappointing. I'm
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: waiting for USC to, For that to work itself out, like, yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: they're six and one and ranked 16th. But, you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: nobody seems to view them that way. You know, it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: been there's no other way to put it. And so
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I know everybody wants to say, yes, you see the fraud.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: They're overrated. Everybody's beating each other. And I would just say, well,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: who are the Big Ten's big signature wins so far?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: They don't have many.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: One team that has a signature win, but, man, they
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: feel like they are on the ropes and struggling. Another
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: local tie, our friend Sark. Sark after dark. They've got
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: issues down in Texas, and they've got Ole Miss rolling
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: into this week, a 5-1 Ole Miss team. This ranked
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: number seven in the country. Arch Manning, questions about him.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: What's going on down with Sark in Texas?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Their offense is a mess all across the board. The
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: offensive line is not playing well. They can't run the ball.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And Arch has obviously been a big disappointment. And so
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you have Sark out there saying, we're going to evaluate everything.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Very interested to see what he finds. Oh, and also,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: they're maybe the best defensive player in the country. Colin
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Simmons is out for several weeks. So it's just like
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: everything is not going well.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: With Arch... Did everyone just miss on him and his
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: talent level because his last name was Manning and so forth?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been in the program for a while.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's a freshman coming in or even
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a redshirt freshman coming in. He's been around the program.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: They spent some money on a receiver and a running back,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure the rest of the roster as well.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So was this just a miss, not just a Sark miss?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Did everyone just kind of miss in the evaluation of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Arch Manning, do you think?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: It's been pretty puzzling because I'm not a recruiting guru.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I don't sit there watching the high school tape and
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: trying to analyze it. But it did seem to me
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: almost from the first start last year against Ohio State,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: something was off. And then it took a long time
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: for people to accept that. And like, you know, even
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: earlier this season, Bruce and Ralph were paying me as
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: like this arc hater. And I was just thinking, but,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but what are you guys seeing? Like, what are you seeing? Um,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and I just think, yeah, I think the whole industry
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: got blindsided by the last game. Um, it doesn't mean
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: he's bad. I don't want to, I don't mean, I
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: don't put him in the same conversation as Bryce Underwood,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: but you know, he's not a number one pick. He's not, um,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and win the Heisman. You're already starting to see him
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: slide on the draft boards to like people's sixth quarterback.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be surprised if you're, you know, once we actually
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: get to the draft next year, he's even lower than that. So,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: but he does have a half season to figure something out.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't really even have a great comparison.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: He's just, five-star quarterback evaluation is really hard. You know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: they hit maybe one in three of those guys and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: he does not appear to be one of them.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: We've had guys up here. I mean, I've, I think,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about it before. I mean, in fact,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it's funny. I saw Max Brown write something about this
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the other day. He came from skyline high school up here. Uh,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: same high school that produced a guy by the name
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of Jake heaps, uh, skyline high school. Both those guys
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: were five stars and both of them, you know, didn't,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sam Heward was a five star. He was
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a five star when he was an eighth grader started
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: as a true freshman for one of the best teams
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: in the state. Um, That was a miss all the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: way around because he had four receivers that all were
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to be D1 guys, and all those guys didn't
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: last more than one or two years at the same school,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and most of them ended up in smaller schools. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Sam was probably the biggest one. He was probably the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: biggest bust, and I always wonder if he just got
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: broken when they put him in the Apple Cup that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: year and Jake Dicker took it to him. But who knows?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's hard to evaluate those guys.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard because they're playing in many cases,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: they're playing greatly overmatched competition. I know Arch was at
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the school he was at. And also, this is a
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: position where even if you have a the physical ability
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: so much of being a successful quarterback is processing and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: reading defenses and just as they say intangibles And, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: these recruiting, I mean, the recruiting guys, I don't want
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: to throw them all under the bus. They do, they
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: work hard to get these things right. But a lot
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of times they're watching these quarterbacks in seven on seven
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: without pads on. And how are you supposed to, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: how are you supposed to, um, how does that translate?
• 30:07
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• 30:09
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• 30:11
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• 30:22
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• 30:24
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• 30:26
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• 30:29
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• 30:31
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• 30:32
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• 30:34
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• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Corbin Smith.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Here's Ian. Hi. just a real quick shot. Nick Lee
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: does a great job covering the track for Hamilton city spectrum.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: He does a fantastic, does a really good job, like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a really good job, especially since the local newspaper no
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: longer covers them. They use AP stories. Nick does a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: great job. I just want to let you know. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: as a hockey guy, he does a great job. He's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: really come a long way. Yeah. And he's a, because
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he's a baseball guy by heart. Is he really?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: I grew up in San Diego. He's a, he's a
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: huge Padres fan.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. But he, but he, he watches the Mariners closely.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: He does a good job, but he loves, he loves, uh,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: the Kraken and he loves hockey.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: If people haven't seen the new layout and stuff, it's great.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Great look. Great layout. Well done. Really good stuff. Much
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: better than our previous. Yes, very, very good. Kansas City's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: coming to town. Do you know who Ken Walker plays with?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Did you know that? No, I haven't heard anything about it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Have you followed that story at all, Corbin?
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I've heard nothing about K-9 running wild for the Kansas
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: City Chiefs.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Number two in the league in yards after contact. We
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: go on and on. What'd you get out of Mike
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: McDonald today? Just in general.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: You know, he's playing the normal card that he's going
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: to play about a guy that he used to coach. Like, yeah,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: we had a great relationship, but we're trying to win
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: a football game here. Not going to be pouring any
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: gasoline in any fires or anything like that as far
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: as him not being back or the team not re-signing him.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: you know, the other players today, how did, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Julian Love, how did it feel like, well, we're not
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: involved with those decisions.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, there was nothing like earth-shattering that was said today.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: On that front. Yeah, I had Jaron Reed sitting in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that seat. You sat in a couple hours ago, and,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you know, he was like, hey, he's my friend, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: now he's not my friend on Sunday. He'll be my
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: friend afterwards, but he's my friend. But, you know, and,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you could tell the disappointment. He talked about
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold's stuff. We've got to play that tomorrow, too, Ashley.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He talked a lot about Sam Darnold, but The focal
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: point this week, I guess the happiest guy in the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: world probably should be Sam Darnold because the focal point
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this week is K-9.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Right? That's the storyline.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam, you know, for as much pressure as he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: been under like this week, everybody's going to kind of
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: shift gears now to, you know, honestly, a lot of
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: the discussion is about John Schneider and the decision not
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: to sign Ken Walker.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I brought that up yesterday on the show, and I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: don't want to say– I'm being very careful how I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: phrase this because I don't want to put words in
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: people's mouth in general terms. And although I tried to... Actually,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I did try to stir it up with Softie yesterday.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Softie was weak. I was trying to just create some
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: acrimony between the two of them is all. Insinuating that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Fane is anti-John Schneider. But Softie just totally bailed on
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that process. So it didn't work. But I do believe
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that there are some fans that are questioning John Schneider.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And because of this decision.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: As you and I both know, a zillion things go
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: into these personnel decisions. And I don't think you can
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: make the judgment six games into a season. I mean,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: right now it doesn't look good. But I don't think
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you can make that decision six games into the season
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that it was either a good or bad decision. Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: And the thing that you have to consider here with
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: the running back position as well, especially the workload that
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: K-9 has right now, is he going to physically be
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: able to hold up? for an entire season doing that. Now,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: you can also look at the other side of the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: coin here. The guy that you earmarked that money that
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: would have gone to Ken Walker III, Rashid Shahid, has
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: generally not been productive this year. Now, the Denver game,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: you got a little bit more out of him, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I certainly think that he is capable of being much
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: more productive, but they just haven't been able to make
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: it work. They just haven't been able to get him
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: involved without it feeling forced a lot of the time,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: which that shouldn't be the case with a guy of
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: that playmaking ability. You should be able to scheme up
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: easy ways to get him the football.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to that for a second. I'll get
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: back to Ken Walker in a second. Let's go back
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to Rasheed Shaheed. It felt like they were trying to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: get the ball to him a lot more in Denver.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Now the next step in the process is, does that continue?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Do you think it continues?
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: And can you find some easier ways to get, like
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: they were chucking the ball downfield and it worked on
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: one of them? He could have caught the second one maybe.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: That was going to be a really hard play. You
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: want that to be part of your offense. That's a
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: big part of his skill set. But can they find
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: a way to get him the ball on some quick
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: screens and drag routes, crossers? Just find some ways to
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: get him in space. You've seen what he does in
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: space as a kick and punt returner, but they're just
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: not creating those opportunities for him.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Is that offensive coordinator or is that something else?
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Well, the play caller is the one that's got to
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: be able to scheme that up. You've got to create
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: those opportunities, and those quick screens, you've got to be
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: able to get them set up so that you can
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: utilize them. The couple times they tried in the Denver game,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: they were swarming him like crazy, so it just didn't work. But, like, gosh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: you've got to find some ways to get the football
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: into his hands and let him be a playmaker.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Ken Walker missed games each of his first three seasons
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in the NFL before last year when he played in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: all 17 and in the playoffs. He's never had more
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: than 228 carries in a season. Hell, he might be
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: there right now. I don't even look. What he has
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: right now. And then when you want to include the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: receiving numbers, I mean, they're an average of around 25,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: around probably 30 or so a year in terms of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: receptions as well. So we're talking about a guy whose
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: workload has been somewhere around 250 max per season in
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: terms of touches. What if he does have that year
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: with 350 touches, 100 more than he's ever had before?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Is that when we judge this move?
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I think at that point that it's fair game. If
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: he gets through the entire season and he does that,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I know some people would say, well, he's got to
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: play multiple seasons on this contract, but especially if Rasheed
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Shaheed doesn't turn things around here and become a bigger
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: part of this offense and part of the solution for
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: this offense, then you really can start to look at
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: that like, man, I hate to keep using the burning
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: money thing, but it starts to turn into a joker
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: on the Batman movies like, It's not about the money.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Lighten it on fire. How does Jadarian Price fit into
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: this mix, do you think?
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Well, you've got to get him back, and you've got
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: to keep him healthy, and you've got to keep him
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: from fumbling the football. That would make this a better...
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, it'd be easier to stomach if you were
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: getting production from him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: If Jadarian Price was playing a first-round running back, albeit
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a rookie first-round runner, but if he was out there
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: averaging 85 yards a game, and I don't think there's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: any reason to think he won't when he's healthy. I mean,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: we've watched him play. You see it. It just hasn't
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: been healthy at all. But I think if he was
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: doing that, you could probably stomach it a little bit
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: more as a CR fan.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you look at the complete process. Ken
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Walker has a monster year, but Jadarian Price in the
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: second half really turns it on, and Seattle wins most
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: of their games. Fans are going to kind of, hey, yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: he's been great over there, but we can see that
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: John Schneider's process, especially if Shahid picks it up, but man,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: If you get a lackluster first season for Denarian Price
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: and Rasheed Shahid continues to be on pace for, he's
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: on pace for 51 offensive touches, and he's been healthy.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Like, that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Is offensive malpractice. Like, I'm just being honest. You'd say
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: that about any team. When you pay a guy the money,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: they're paying him, and they just aren't getting the football.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: And that number went up. He was at 40, a
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: pace for 40 on the season before the Denver game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: It's just, you've got to get him involved more.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think– Let's go to Walker for a second.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Corbin Smith joining us in Real City Spectrum. Triple options,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Seahawks podcast. We'll tell you about that in a second
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: with Turbo and Ranger, which is I guess you guys
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: are just killing it with that thing, which is congratulations.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: We're having fun.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are doing a really good job with that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: What's the concern with Ken Walker? I mean, this team
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: knows him better than anybody. They know him. They know
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do, but how do you slow
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: him down because that's what they're to be the focal point.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We all know that's the focal point.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I think the biggest key when you play Ken Walker III,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: you have got to be gap sound. You cannot give
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: him wiggle room to squeeze through a tiny little crease
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: on a cutback. You can't give off the edge. You've
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: got to be able to contain. Like, You have to
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: be on point the entire game with your gaps and
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: not give him opportunities to find those creases. And dang it,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: you better have dudes swarming to him because he's going
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to break some tackles. You've got to have multiple guys.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: That are ready to bring him down.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Jaron Reed said, actually. The exact
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: same thing. The exact same thing that Jaron Reed said here.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Easier said than done.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Right? Easier said than done. He's going to get his
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: at some point. What's too much?
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I think if he gets above 85 rushing yards, that'd
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: be about my cutoff here. Because remember, we've got this
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: long streak that Seattle's on. I believe it's 35 straight
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: games they haven't given up a 100-yard rusher. This might
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: be the toughest challenge to keeping that together because, man,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Eric Biennemi coming back has been such.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: A big difference maker for that Chiefs offense. Well, what
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: about the Seahawks? They're running backs. We know the issues.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Jadarian Price is hurt. First of all, we saw Charbonnet
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: out there a minute ago. Do you expect to see
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: him play?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. Fans need to temper expectations here in
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: terms of, I've seen a lot of fans like, yes,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: we got him back, 20 carries. No, you're not doing
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: that the first game that he comes back from a
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: torn ACL. I think you're probably looking at a 7-8
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: carry workload in this game. And that could still be
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: a boost. You could have three or four of those
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: in the red zone, and he could actually punch it in.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: which they've struggled so much to do this year without him.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: So he can be a game changer. It's just you
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: can't be expecting that he's just going to suddenly get
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: thrown in and he's playing 70% of the snaps on offense.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: They're not going to do that to him. Who does
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it come in expensive?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Probably George Helani is going to be the one that
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: won't be seen in the field as much. I'd expect
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: that Emmanuel Wilson is going to be the number two guy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And we'll see.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe Robert Henry will actually make an appearance this week.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking up. Okay, so Charbonnet. he's had 20
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: carries once in his career. He had 22, and that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: would have been in 2024, Mike McDonald's first year. He
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: had 22 for 134 and two touchdowns at Arizona. He
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: had 19 at Dallas, 19 for 60 yards at Dallas.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: He had 18 for 91 against Miami at home. That
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: would have been 2024. I'm just looking, 2025, so last
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: year would be the comp, right? Last year, Carolina, 18 carries, 110,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. That's kind of his. But you look
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: through his career, he's in the 10 to 12, 9, 10, 11,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: 12 range for most of his games.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: But he's never been the guy. He's never had that opportunity.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Hell, you'd make the argument Walker wasn't the guy half
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the time. Right?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they will.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: But that's one of the reasons that he's in Kansas
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: City right now. Right. Because he wanted to be the
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: guy and wanted to show he could be the guy.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't doubt that at all. All right, let's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: flip over to the quarterback for a second. It's funny
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: watching Sam walk out today to practice. I think I
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: can say this is no trade secrets. He walked out
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: because we're not supposed to say anything until after practice
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: is the deal. But listen, this is no football thing.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: He just walked out. He was joking around, pointing his
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: fingers up in the air, talking to guys. He looked
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: as relaxed as possible. I've always thought with Sam Darnold,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the thing with him, I always thought last year what
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I thought. I think we all thought this. His resiliency,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to me, was one of his strongest traits. And we
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: saw it in the four-interception game. We saw it a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: lot of times. Like, could just be awful. Didn't seem
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to bother him. Like, he was able to bounce back
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: from it. And just watching him today, like, he looked...
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You can fake stuff sometimes. I don't know how much
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: those guys fake stuff. I think that's just who he is.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think... I think that's who he is. I
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: think it is who he is, too. So can he
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: bounce back, do you think? Because this is about as
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: hard as it's been for him here.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: He absolutely can... I think Brian Fleury's got to help
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: him out a little bit. I don't want to pile
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: it on the OC because I think he's had some
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: games that he's done some really good things. But we
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: talked about this in the Seahawks Triple Option show on Friday.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I watched all 22. I got a huge all 22
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: on Emerald City Spectrum that you guys can check out.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I probably spent seven hours putting it together. I don't
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: understand why you would go into that game knowing what
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Denver's biggest strength is, especially without their top corner. Their
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: greatest strength is their penetrating defensive line. The Zach Allens
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: of the world. The DJ Joneses of the world. Nick Benito.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Those guys are shot out of a cannon. They're getting outfield.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: They are penetrators. Why would you run a bunch of
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: slow-developing play-action plays that have pulling centers and pulling guards
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: on them? Sam Darnold was just left out to dry.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: on several of those, and they happened, I mean, there's
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: no time for a good sack, but they happened at
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: awful times.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: When they were past midfield, and like, so that's my thing,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: you gotta help your quarterback, get him some of those
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: easy completions, and make it that, you know, and I
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: think you gotta help your offensive line, that did nothing
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: for Graze Abel, and one of those plays, Graze Abel's
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: trying to reach block DJ Jones, and he did the
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: best he could, but DJ Jones just shot out, there
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: was no, they're spitting on the run game, right now.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: So, I think Brian Fleury's got to be able to
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: help his QB out. And flip side, I will also
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: say this about Sam. Last year, a lot of the picks,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: when he had that run where he threw a lot
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: of interceptions in like a five or six game span,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I could watch a lot of those plays and feel like, look,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: I can see the process. I can understand why he
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: threw that ball. All but one of the picks he's
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: thrown this year, I've just been sitting here just kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: of like, I can't. I can't process. I have no
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: idea what he's processing here. Both picks in the Broncos game,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: especially the overtime one. I'm like, that was never there.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: That was never there.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting on my couch and I'm not like a
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: connoisseur and like knowing all the coverages, but I'm sitting
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: on my couch watching them. Like they're clearly in cloud
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: cover too. Why are you throwing that ball? So he's
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: got to– I think Fleury can help him by letting
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: him get to the line of scrimmage a little quicker.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: They just still have too many plays where they're getting– Yeah, we.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Talked about that Friday. Five seconds. That was something that
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: was bothering you a lot.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Feels like that has been a persistent issue for them,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: and it's not giving him a chance to fully read
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: what he's seeing. I think that would help him out again.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of process things that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Can be fixed.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I'm always hesitant to go down this road because it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: not my– world of expertise in any way, shape, or
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: form in terms of being an offensive coordinator or play caller,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: but the thing is when you say that, and I've
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: heard other people talk about the same thing, the plays
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: are coming in late, he's not having as much time
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to process the line of scrimmage, that just screams first-time
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that is still trying to find his keys
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: underneath him. If you've never done that before at that level,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it's a new job. It's like any of us have
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: had a new job. It's hard. You take some time
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to acclimate. Now we're six games in. No more acclimation.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Let's get after them.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: And offensive coordinator, look, if there's a position that sums
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: up Jerry Glanville when he said NFL stands for not
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: for long, offensive coordinator takes the cake. He would be
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the sub-definition.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Especially in this building.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Especially taking over for a defending champion.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Who's having success as a head coach.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: The expectations are through the roof, and if you aren't
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: able to meet those expectations... It can become very difficult
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: to want to go to work in those situations.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: We're spending a lot of time talking about Ken Walker
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and the Seattle running backs and Stan Darnold. There's another
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: guy that's sort of a headliner in this game. His
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: name's Mahomes. You might have heard of him. Quarterback. Kansas City.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Really good. What should Seattle be concerned about there? To me,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it's the same. I think there's the one common denominator
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: with this team that Pete and Mike had. Tight ends
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: seem to get behind there. It seemed to hurt them sometimes.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Kelsey's got to be concerned. Gray's got to be concerned.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: They don't just have one. They've got two really good
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: tight ends.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: That's where I think you've really got to maximize Nicky Manwari.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I also would say that this would be a game,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes even coming off his injury, his ability to
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: be able to improvise and sandlot plays, he's still as
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: good as anybody at that. Having Nicky Manwari as a
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: spy time to time is like a cheat code. A
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: couple of the reporters are just joking about this out
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: in the field about Eamon Worry.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: If you've ever played.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Madden, growing up, I always would just say, okay, who's
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: a corner that isn't playing but has 90-something speed? I'm
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: going to sub him in at linebacker, and I'm going
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: to manually play him as a spy. And it was
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: always a joke. But Seattle legitimately has that guy on
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: their roster that they can do that with, and they
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: can play him there, and they can do other stuff with.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: So I think that can be a big part of
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: this game.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Like I said, Kelsey gets
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: headlines because of the wife. Noah Grazes. I'm going to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: keep saying this.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: I know I told it to you after they drafted him.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: That kid is a gold jacket caliber player.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, even more. No doubt. We'll see what he does.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Let's just look at the defense for Kansas City. What
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: do they got going on? Steve Spagnuolo.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: You want to talk about a guy that deserves a
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: second chance?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You just sound like Chris Collins right now. Here's a guy.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Here's a guy in Steve Spagnuolo. We're going to look
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: at him 15 times on the cutaways on the show.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: But yes, anyway, continue. Because we're going to hear that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Here's a guy.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: I think he deserves a second chance to be a
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: head coach in the NFL. The guy is masterful. They
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: lost their top two corners. They traded one of them.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: The other one signed with the Rams, a free agency.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: So they lost their top two corners.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's Watson and McDuffie.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: They lost some other key players, Leo Chanel being another
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: one that went to Washington. They lost some key players,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: and they just keep chugging along because the guy is
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: a schematic magician. He knows how to put his players
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: in position. He's kind of got some Andy Reid on
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: defense where I will modify what my scheme is to
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: match my personality. He's just so good at that. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: he really knows when to mix in his blitzes. He
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: is very good at that. So this is a defense
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: that always is going to be challenging because of him
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: being on the sidelines.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Corbin Smith, just for one more shot at it, let's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: just go down the road of the actual math. And
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: let's math it for a second. I was talking about
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: this with Greg earlier. You're sitting at three losses. You've
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: got Kansas City and Chicago coming up. The 49ers aren't
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: going to lose anytime soon. I mean, maybe Michael Penix
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: upsets them. Can't see it happening, to be honest with you,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: this weekend down there. Kyle Shannon's got them so focused.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: They're playing well. And they're going to start getting guys back.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That's the other problem. They're going to start getting guys back.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It could be worse. It could be the Rams at 2-4.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It feels very much like you're playing for a wild
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: card right now, which is fine. But the wild card
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: race will get heated because, really, it it feels like
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it's the three teams in the NFC West and everybody
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: in the NFC North. Those are your playoff teams outside
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: of the NFC East winner, whatever slum slum ward comes
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: out of there and whoever comes probably Carolina in the South,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: but those aren't going to provide wildcard teams. You're battling
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the North and you're battling the Rams. That's kind of where,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how I see it right now. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: You've got a perfect pulse on it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: It's, I don't think that this division race has been
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: decided just yet.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: It feels close.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: If Seattle can.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: They'd have to go 8-3 and you'd have to beat
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: them and have a better conference record the rest of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a tall task. But I think
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: that if they didn't have any games left against San Francisco,
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: then I would say it's over. But the fact that
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Levi's Stadium is kind of in their second home field.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It has.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I could still see San Francisco slipping up in a
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: few games, too.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: They're beatable.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: Washington had every opportunity to win that game the other night.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And I hate saying it, but Dan Quinn not knowing
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: what down it is.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And things like that. And he said he did. No,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: I read his lips perfectly on that. I know he
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: said it was four times. They've got their issues, obviously.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: But I think that San Francisco is definitely beat. They
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: are a beatable football team. I could see them losing
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: a few games.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Along the way.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Seattle, if they want to win the NFC West,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: you better go on a run like you did second
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: half last year.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Just to remind everybody, this is what's coming up. Kansas City,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: then Chicago, Monday night, Arizona, and then at Las Vegas
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: before your bye week.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: And that's a very much improved Vegas team.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So let's say you go 3-1 in the next four.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: So now you're 6-4, right? Heading into the bye, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: then you've got San Francisco. Still in it?
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: If you beat San Francisco and you're 7-4, 49ers would
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: have to choke in one of those games at least.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: That's the issue. They're going to have to slip.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: But I believe it can happen if this is the NFL.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: I think Atlanta, the Falcons might be the most unpredictable
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: team in the league because you saw what they did
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: in Green Bay. If that team shows up, they can
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: beat San Francisco. If the team that showed up last
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: week shows up, they will get ran out of their
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: own building.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You just don't know with the Falcons. I think just
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: with tiebreakers, if we're being honest, and they go 3-1,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the 3-1 better be Chicago, Arizona, Vegas. Or a combination
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: of Chicago and Arizona. Because you've got to win the NFC.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: You've got to win the conference games. Because that's a
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: tiebreaker that comes into play. You've got to get those.
• 53:13
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• 53:16
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• 53:17
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• 53:21
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• 53:24
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• 53:24
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• 53:26
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• 53:28
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• 53:31
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• 53:33
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• 53:35
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• 53:36
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• 53:36
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• 53:39
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• 53:41
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• 53:48
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• 53:51
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• 53:55
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• 54:01
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• 54:05
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• 54:06
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• 54:08
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• 54:10
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• 54:11
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• 54:11
  Speaker 1: That's Corbin Smith.
• 54:12
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• 54:12
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