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- 0:27And welcome. You aren't listening to watching the Financial Survival Network, I'm your
- 0:32host Carrie Let's Well. Consumer sentiment numbers, consumer confidence numbers are out.
- 0:38They're low and heading lower. David Skurzwski is with us and now, and
- 0:44David, it's great to have you back on the show, and you find
- 0:48him at myspg dot com. So what do you make of the numbers?
- 0:53Where's the rate hikes? Are they going to be over soon? What about
- 0:59the stock more we're heading for a major correction, all these questions, what
- 1:03are your thoughts? David, Hey, good morning and great to be with
- 1:07you here Carrie. So, yeah, the consumer confidence numbers are are down.
- 1:11So in our opinion, what we're watching right now is the deterioration of
- 1:19this information. Now, these numbers are always looking in the rearview mirror,
- 1:23which is kind of a weird way to be driving the metaphoric car. You
- 1:26know, we're always looking a month behind, etc. But this particular consumer
- 1:30confidence poll was done on April third, so just a couple of weeks after
- 1:34the banking crisis had begun, and so it's reflective of a weaker consumer sentiment
- 1:42on what's actually going to be taking place and going on here. So to
- 1:46kind of summarize those those next questions, I think if you follow the consumer
- 1:53and understand where they're going, you're going to actually understand where economy is headed
- 1:57next. As seventy percent of our economy has been sumer driven based upon our
- 2:00spending. I'll say one of the things that was really interesting with this particular
- 2:06survey is that they were talking about those who are under the age of fifty
- 2:09five and are making more than fifty thousand dollars per year, so a little
- 2:14bit younger, higher earners tend to be those those greater spenders, and one
- 2:20of the things that they noted is that there was a significant deterioration in those
- 2:24in the sentiment of those particular individuals, and so that tells me that we're
- 2:29we're definitely seeing things change in a very considerable way. Right now. So
- 2:36you know, we saw last year the market had its downturn, and we've
- 2:39got a mixed you know signals right now. Some people, you know,
- 2:43I could, I could speak out of both sides of my mouth. I
- 2:44could tell you that we're in the middle of the beginning of a new bowl
- 2:47market. And I can also let you know that, you know, my
- 2:51personal opinion is that anyone who's objective is going to ultimately be looking at things
- 2:55and guess what, We're not out of the woods here. We've got way
- 3:00too many things that are uh signaling downturns, that are that are ahead of
- 3:05us. Now, what's interesting is understanding, um that you know, we
- 3:09haven't hit the last leg of a downturn, which is typically called capitulation.
- 3:15And that's where of course everybody is hating the market. They hate real estate
- 3:21like we saw in two thousand and eight, nine and ten, and they
- 3:24just you know, are running from it. And so I personally don't think
- 3:29that we have hit capitulation yet, uh And I don't think that we have
- 3:31seen the sentiment numbers you know, really get as low as they're going to
- 3:37be, uh likely over the next couple of months here. So, um,
- 3:40what one of the things that I think that the average person looking at
- 3:45these markets UH is not aware of is that many are expecting a quick downturn,
- 3:50just kind of like we saw in two thousand and eight. Um.
- 3:53I think it's actually going to be more similar to what we saw on like
- 3:55the year two thousand and two thousand and one with the dot com bubble,
- 4:00where it's going to be a more of a rolling recession that's going to take
- 4:04place and play out over time. And see, the real big key here
- 4:09is that we just began a banking crisis. You know, we're we're we're
- 4:12a little bit beyond a month into that today. But you know, if
- 4:16we look at what Lehman and Bear and UH, you know, Washington Mutual
- 4:21all went through in two thousand and eight and nine that took over a year
- 4:25to develop, you know, we saw these banks collapse faster than any banks
- 4:30have collapsed before, you know, forty eight hours, which ultimately speaks to
- 4:33the systemic challenges that are that are throughout the the financial world in our economy
- 4:42today. And so I'm personally calling this the Federal Reserve bubble, and I
- 4:46believe that we have bubbles in both the stock market, the bond market as
- 4:50well as the real estate market, and all three of those things coming together
- 4:55at one particular place and time that has not happened historically very of often,
- 5:00in fact, if ever. And so we need to be very very very
- 5:03cautious right now as we're looking here towards the future. Absolutely, And they
- 5:09had two other bubbles or three credit card bubble, and auto loan bubble and
- 5:15student loan bubble, so we got six of them going on here, David,
- 5:20let's talk about the banking crisis. So we all know that No.
- 5:25Eight, No. Nine, the biggest mistake the government made was allowing Lehman
- 5:30Brothers to collapse. Right by far in retrospect, nobody would have done it
- 5:36that way. It created a collapse, a global collapse by any description,
- 5:43even though when you read the books, the history books of the time,
- 5:46they won't refer to it as that. They're just call it a financial crisis.
- 5:50But it was a collapse globally and started with subprime mortgages. Here they
- 5:59made noise is about letting letting it go, letting the banks fend for themselves.
- 6:06But then that all change, right, Yeah, all of a sudden
- 6:11they stepped up and they bailed them out, not so much the shareholders and
- 6:16the deadholders like last time, but the depositors more importantly, as they realize
- 6:23the concept of the bail in now is dead, meaning that when the bank
- 6:28comes up short on capital, all the depositors chip in and they take a
- 6:34hit. This comes from the maritime concept, the general average, where when
- 6:42the part ship is in danger of sinking and they've got a jettison cargo to
- 6:46stabilize it, all of the interested parties, the fellows, shippers, everybody
- 6:51chips in to make the injured party whole. But that doesn't work with the
- 6:59banking system, because the banking system replies one on confidence. And like I
- 7:05like to say, the root of the word confidence is con right. Yeah,
- 7:15the two bank to fail idea, I think is what you're even alluding
- 7:18to here. And so, um, you know, the banking crisis that
- 7:23we have today is rooted in, of course, the rate of change that
- 7:28the Federal Reserve has increased, uh, the interest rates. You know.
- 7:31So I've been calling this now for this bond bubble crisis for for several years,
- 7:38just understanding that we cannot and we could not maintain zero interests like this
- 7:44uh, in the in the lending sector. So in all these banks put
- 7:46money into long term treasuries. They've told everything was transitory by the you know,
- 7:50the FED, and of course the FED had it dead wrong, and
- 7:54uh, you know, we get these major increases, and of course we
- 7:57we then find you know that these assets you know, are down thirty percent
- 8:03from where they were just even twelve months ago. And our entire economy is
- 8:07based upon credit, I mean globally, and so when when we look at
- 8:11this from a from a global standpoint and we recognize that, you know,
- 8:16fractional reserve lending has allowed banks to leverage up for every one thousand dollars that
- 8:22they've been able to take in, they've been able to leverage ten thousand dollars
- 8:26in lending. And so when when people begin to take deposits out, uh,
- 8:31specifically from these local regionals, which are massive, you know, they
- 8:35are the backbone right now of how we metabolize debt inside of corporations. Seventy
- 8:41percent in fact, of all corporate lending and real estate lending in corporate uh
- 8:48dollars there are from these local regionals, not from the big banks right now.
- 8:52And so I think that We've got a very very very significant issue that
- 8:58is still on our hands right now. And just like you you were sharing,
- 9:01Hey, as we see some of these things wash out, the impacts
- 9:05on these things, the ripple effects of these things can be uh, you
- 9:09know, worldwide. And now I want to draw one different contrast here.
- 9:13There are recessions and then there are also financial crisises. They are separate ideas,
- 9:18but the two of them happening at the same time, that is a
- 9:22very rare phenomenon. Now that happened in two thousand and eight, which the
- 9:26it was a financial crisis that we saw with the the the lending and the
- 9:33banks and the fallout that you just knowed there and it led to a recession.
- 9:35Well, we could be finding ourselves in a very different side of this.
- 9:39And again, as I was saying this rolling recession, I believe that
- 9:43we're going to see different times that we're going to see part of our economies
- 9:48hit our bottoms. And it's not just going to be all at once.
- 9:52You know. These components and banks are very critical again to commercial office space,
- 9:58and we have a one point four trillion dollars that needs to be metabolized
- 10:03this year as well. As next year. That is the record, by
- 10:05the way, for debt that has to be metabolized, and we're having to
- 10:09do it at a timeframe when they're paying four or five six percent higher than
- 10:15what they were originally financing for just a few years back. And so if
- 10:18you weren't able to be more credit worthy, let's just say, when you
- 10:24had three and four percent loans, how on earth are they planning on doing
- 10:28it with seven, eight, nine, ten to twelve percent loans that are
- 10:33that are mandated now in order to reset that debt. And so these are
- 10:39the concerns that need to be on people's minds as we look forward to the
- 10:41future. I mean, hey, we can talk about sentiment numbers, and
- 10:45that's interesting and it's also helpful to tell us where we're going, But we
- 10:48need to look at the handwriting on the wall and have a little bit larger
- 10:50macro perspective of how these changes are ultimately going to have ripple effects kind of
- 10:56flowing out and so it's going to affect real estate, it's going to infect
- 11:01corporate earnings, which we're in the middle earning season right now. First republics
- 11:05having a horrible time. Is that about one hundred billion dollars leave them.
- 11:09And you know, here's one of the challenges as well. We raise interest
- 11:13rates like this, Well, the treasury doesn't have FDIC limits like two fifty
- 11:18like a bank does, and is paying a lot higher than a basic bank
- 11:22is. And so why wouldn't I just put all my cash in the treasury?
- 11:26You know, getting near five percent on three month commitments of time or
- 11:31you know, you know, four better than four percent no FDIC. If
- 11:35I do more than a year, I've got you know, long term capital
- 11:39gains instead of ten ninety nine income. I mean, there's a lot of
- 11:41advantages that the treasuries have today going direct as opposed to investing in banks.
- 11:46And so anyone who's got real money, they understand this idea, and they
- 11:52have moved these assets. And so I expect a corporate earnings recession here to
- 11:56play out Q two and then Q three this year, which is ultimately going
- 12:01to lead to more bad news, more market lows. And again I think
- 12:05it's going to happen as things go out over time. We're looking at a
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- 13:05so interesting that you say that. So one of the things that we would
- 13:07follow would be the ISM indicators. So these are the indicators for manufacturing.
- 13:13We can look at them in the United States, which is where I tend
- 13:16to focus most of my attention, but I was looking up these indicators actually
- 13:20on an international basis. And so when we break below fifty, that is
- 13:26like literally a point in time where there's an expectation we're going to have a
- 13:31recession within the next twelve months. Well, we've been below fifty in the
- 13:33United States since September last year, and so that's that's a big deal.
- 13:37But if we look at this in a global standpoint, nearly every nation across
- 13:43the globe is either below fifty or slightly above it right now, and so
- 13:48no one is looking super healthy, including China. We have just the whole
- 13:52globe is slowing down as people are spending less, they're saving more quote unquote
- 13:58if they have it to say, let's just be honest about that. And
- 14:03we're watching a deterioration here that I think that it's just, you know,
- 14:07the math just begins to add up. Wall Street wants to rally really hard.
- 14:11So you know, is this going to be a bowl trap? I
- 14:13mean, I vote the market goes up forever. Here's the reality. This
- 14:16is not the time to fall asleep at the wheel on the information, the
- 14:20expectations. We need to understand where we are in cycles, especially if someone
- 14:26is nearing to entering retirement. Yeah. I could not agree with you more,
- 14:28David, And I think this is a global meltdown, an implosion taking
- 14:33place. We're going to reach the panic stop where they're going to cut rates
- 14:37and I don't know that the interest rates will come down as a result of
- 14:41the FED cutting. Yeah, short term, but what you described is zero
- 14:46percent interest rate policy past decade. It's all coming home to roost. In
- 14:52Austrian economics, we have a concept that is totally devoid in the Keynesian economics.
- 14:58It's called malinvestment. And all that free money went into real estate that
- 15:05we didn't necessarily need to see through office buildings. The pandemic kind of brought
- 15:11all that home to roost. You know, in China they've got ghost cities,
- 15:15dozens of them all over all from malinvestment and central planning. This is
- 15:20always the net result of it, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely,
- 15:24I mean the whole China real estate market that could be potentially the largest
- 15:28Ponzi scheme in the world. You know, they only allow their people to
- 15:33invest in three different things their currency, real estate, or their stock market,
- 15:37which we know is rigged. And they don't you know, report accurately
- 15:39based upon Gibbs reporting like we have to hear. And so everyone's putting all
- 15:45this money into these these ghost cities that you know, hey, they're paying
- 15:48their mortgages on these condos that have never actually been fully built. I saw
- 15:54statistic. I hate to quote something without the specific data in front of me,
- 15:58but we had over a decade worth of information. It was like,
- 16:02you know, two thousand and twelve to twenty twenty two, there had been
- 16:06like sixty five percent of all real estate purchased by the average consumer in China
- 16:11that had never been completed, sixty five percent. And so you know,
- 16:15he's the here's the concern of the Chinese over there. Why am I paying
- 16:19on a mortgage for a property that was supposed to be an income property and
- 16:23you're supposed to be doing all this great industry there and oh we've moved on
- 16:26now to the next one. And so at some point people capitulate and they
- 16:32say we're done. We're throwing up our hands. And so I think that's
- 16:34the big issue there with Evergrand, which is their largest real estate producer,
- 16:41and the reason why it's having such solvency challenges. And you know, the
- 16:45back to your point on will the Fed drop rates? You know, here's
- 16:51the thing. If the Fed drops rates, is that bullish for the stock
- 16:55market? Well it could be, but the reason why they would drop rates
- 16:59is only because of massive systemic challenges that are going to mandate that the FED
- 17:04has to get to this easy money stuff again. And if we have to
- 17:08and we're forced to do that, then things have broken a lot further than
- 17:12I think that most people would have expected to see a bull market moment again.
- 17:18And so this is where we just don't want to fall asleep at the
- 17:19wheel. We need to be able to ride bull markets and tame bear markets.
- 17:23That's our little phrase here on investing, riding bulls and taming bears.
- 17:26The goal of seventy to eighty percent of the game while missing seventy to eighty
- 17:30percent of the pain. You easier said than done. But there are investment
- 17:33strategies that help us to play both offense as well as defense, and we
- 17:38need to be able to do both of those very very very effectively. Biggest
- 17:42concern that I have right now, though, is in the bond market,
- 17:47and that is that bonds lose money in five different ways. And so we
- 17:51talked earlier about the inverse relationship between interest rates rising value bonds falling, especially
- 17:56the longer duration ones. But you know, credit worthiness is another one of
- 18:02these things that we look at. You know, hey, what if these
- 18:04corporations can't metabolize their debt or they have an earning compression and they go from
- 18:08being credit worthy to not credit worthy. Well, you're going to lose a
- 18:12ton of money in your bonds. What if these companies are ghost companies at
- 18:17this point and they're getting replaced by new technology like chat, GPT, maybe
- 18:21their supply chain challenges that are still going on. I personally foresee many Chapter
- 18:26eleven bankruptcies going forward. Now, that doesn't mean that they're completely insolvent.
- 18:30That means that they need to reassess their debt relative to the commitments that they
- 18:34made previously. And so if you do a Chapter eleven, well, guess
- 18:37what the value of your bond is going to be going down, if not
- 18:41go to zero as those changes begin to adjust, because bonds are debt instruments.
- 18:48And then the last one on that is that we look at the fact
- 18:52that inflation is higher than what we're actually receiving on those sixed assets today.
- 18:57And so this is this is an important concept for us to understand because we
- 19:02need to look at our after inflation rates of return. You know, we've
- 19:06got two different investors. One that's trying to beat inflation because they need to
- 19:10keep their money relevant, and the other that's just trying to avoid a major
- 19:14downturn through a recession or a financial crisis in order to remain buoyant that they've
- 19:19got the dry powder to rellocate back in when everything goes on sale. And
- 19:25so, you know, the point here is that we have to be patient,
- 19:27and we have to recognize that bear markets are bear markets are bear markets,
- 19:32and they all play out in a very similar way. But this bond
- 19:36bubble that we're in, it is systemic, it's worldwide. The challenges could
- 19:41be devastating. And again for those who are near and the entering retirement that
- 19:45don't have the working years ahead of them to be contributing more in they're just
- 19:48going to be riding the tide of whatever the market gives or takes away.
- 19:52And so this is where it becomes really important to understand where are those places
- 19:57to allocate right now in order to avoid sleepless nights that that big recession downturn
- 20:03that we're all fearing, we know is coming, when's the shoe going to
- 20:06drop? And then but ultimately we need to be able to outperform and beat
- 20:11inflation as well as these these challenges because Hey, most people are going to
- 20:15be around for you know, twenty thirty forty years, even within retirement,
- 20:18and and so this is the concern on their mind, running out of money
- 20:22before they run out of time. I think we'll leave it at that.
- 20:26But basically I agree it's just about everything you said, and you can't really
- 20:33rely upon the government A to give you this straight information and be to actually
- 20:40try to protect you. Not what the system's about. As George Parlin said,
- 20:45it's all a big club and you aren't in it, and you're not
- 20:49going to be protecting you. The one thing I will say is if we
- 20:53get to the point where there's mass defaults on mortgages, there will not be
- 20:57another fordclosure crisis, all right. There is no appetite by the public and
- 21:03the government to see ten million, twenty million homes were closed upon. There
- 21:07will be This will be what we would call a workout depression. All these
- 21:14loans will be worked out, they'll be reduced, they'll be liquidated because nobody
- 21:18is going to have the money to pay their debts. And in San Francisco
- 21:23they said the number of cell phone calls in downtown San Francisco. There's an
- 21:29article in zero hedge down thirty one percent of what it was pre pandemic.
- 21:34And the only reason why cell phone calls are down is because the number of
- 21:38people there is down. That's just one example that David, just tell us
- 21:42how we find you again, how we get you on the web. Yeah,
- 21:45and the last point on this, I agree with you. I believe
- 21:48people and individuals will get bailed out. Corporations, however, will not.
- 21:52There's less of a desire to bail out corporations. So that's why understanding the
- 21:57office space and the corporate channel is with debt, I think are very,
- 22:00very very important because we're at risk of losing a lot of them. Folks
- 22:04can find us on my website myspg dot com or Ready to Retire dot com.
- 22:11I got a number of websites, different information out there to teach educational
- 22:15courses on retirement planning, maximizing so security, minimizing taxes, and you know,
- 22:22just really trying to help people to be able to focus on the areas
- 22:26that they can change, because there's so many places in this life that we're
- 22:30just going to have to figure out, Hey, what comes next, So
- 22:33let's focus on the areas that we can Yeah, it's a veritable financial tsunami,
- 22:38and the only way to survive a sosunami is to be away from the
- 22:42title wave when it hits. Yes, sir, that's what you need to
- 22:45be thinking about, David. Appreciate it. Hey, you've got a question
- 22:48from David, Shoot me and email kl at Kerreluts dot com and you'll find
- 22:55the link to David's site on our show notes on Financial Survival Network dot com.
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