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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Juror She Says Shouldn't Have Been Empaneled (7/10/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Overnight,
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we heard from one of the jurors in the Gallaine
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Maxwell trial named Scotty David, and he came out and
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gave an interview to The Independent and we're going to
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dive into that interview in a second, but before we
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do that, there were a few interesting developments that came
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out of this interview, and obviously the most interesting of
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them is the fact that Scotty said that he was
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also sexually abused when he was younger. Now, the issue
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that could possibly arise here is if Scotty wasn't honest
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during the questionnaire to become a jur and if he
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wasn't honest about that, and then he's coming out and
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saying now that he was abused, then there might be
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grounds here, folks, As horrible as it is to say,
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for Maxwell and her team to file for a mistrial. Now, again,
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I am not a legalese hound, right. I don't dive
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into all of the nuance of these legal cases. I
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am not equipped for that. You know. I went to
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I took a criminal law one oh one in college
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and hated every second of it. So I'm certainly not
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the guy to really dive into the legal ease of
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the matter. But if he wasn't honest when he was
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asked during the jerry selection period, then this could prove
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to be a bit of a hurdle. Now, obviously we'll
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have to get some more information, right, can't jump to
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any conclusions one way or the other. We'll have to
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see what comes of it and see what you know,
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was asked, what questions he answered, If he you know,
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didn't answer any questions, and if he was not truthful
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during the jurors selection period, it could really prove to
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be a big time monkey wrench and we could be
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looking at doing the all over again. Perhaps, So I
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really hope that it's just a bit of I don't know, excitement,
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should we say, on the side of the media, or
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thinking that they might have found something here or whatever
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it may be. But we'll have to wait and see
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as far as the details, right, the details that matter
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have to hear from the judge, we'll have to hear
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from the prosecution, obviously, we'll have to hear from the
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knucklehead legal team for Glenn Maxwell, and we'll have to
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figure it all out. But I would think and again,
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this is just my guess here, folks. I wasn't in
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that room. I don't know what questions were asked. I
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don't know what questions were answered as far as Jerry's
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selection goes. But what I will say is this, my
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guess is that he disclosed all of this stuff, you know,
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previously when when he was asked on the questionnaire. But
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if he didn't and they find out that he didn't,
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this could really spin things out of control. So we're
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gonna have to see what comes of this right after
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this interview, because there's still a lot that is not
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you know, filled in here, a lot of blanks that
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still aren't filled in. So what we're gonna do this
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morning is we're gonna dive into this interview over at
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the Independent and see what he said right and then
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later on or maybe tomorrow, we'll see where I'm at today.
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I have another article I want to share with you,
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folks about Glenn Maxwell's accommodations as far as her place
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where she's going to serve her prison sentence. I think
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it's a very interesting article and it touches on a
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lot of different topics as far as where she might
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end up. You know, medium security, low security, whatever it
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may be. But the article goes into it and details
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it a little bit. So in the next day, either
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later tonight or tomorrow, I'm definitely going to add that
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to the catalog as well. But before we get there,
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let's see what this jur Scottie David has to say
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about the jury's decision to find Glaine Maxwell guilty on
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five of the six charges. Headline Glene Maxwell jur breaks
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silence to the Independent. This verdict is for all the victims,
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for those who testified, for those who came forward, and
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for those who haven't come forward. I'm glad that Maxwell
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has been held accountable. A jur and Maxwell's sex trafficking trial,
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tells Lucia Osborne Crowley, and props to Lucia for scoring
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the first interview here. This is what journalism should be, right.
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You go out, get yourself the interview with a subject
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that matters to the people, a topic that matters to
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the people, as opposed to just sitting around and using
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your power as a journalist as a political cudgel. This
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is what you're supposed to do. This is what the
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people want. People crave some hard news out there, right,
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People are done with the BS. People don't really care
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what Jean Hannity thinks anymore or Rachel Maddow just look
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at her numbers. We want real hard news from real journalists.
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Is that too much to ask? A juror in the
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Glad Maxwell sex trafficking trial has told The Independent that
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he voted to find Maxwell guilty of the of the
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majority of the charges against her because he believed the
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stories told by the survivors, and because he believed the
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pattern of abuse they all described. And look, I don't
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know how you couldn't believe the pattern of abuse that
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was described. And remember, let's just keep it all in
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perspective here, the small scope of all of this. Imagine
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if these jurors would have really seen the actual face
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of the beast. Imagine if the curtain would have been
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fully pulled back and they would have had a real
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glimpse of the monsters who populated the room. They think
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this was bad, Huh. They think that, uh, there was
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a pattern of abuse here. Huh. Boy, oh boy. Scotty David,
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who wishes to be identified by his first and middle name,
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told The Independent in his first media interview that he
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believed all of the survivors who testified against Glainne Maxwell
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in her sex trafficking trial that took place in Lower
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Manhattan over the past four weeks. All of the accusers
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corroborated each other and were backed up by other evidence.
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He said, And that's a fact too. When you have
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that many girls or boys, or anybody for that matter
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coming forward with the same story, they don't know each other,
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they from different parts of the country. You have to
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take that seriously. Folks. Look, I'm not the kind of
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person that just fires off from the hip and is like,
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all right, well, there's an accusation, you must be guilty
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of it. I believe in innocent until proven guilty to
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my core. But when you duck and dodge and avoid questioning,
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you avoid speaking to the authorities, you avoid providing help.
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What am I supposed to think? What's the rest of
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the world supposed to think? And Glainne Maxwell had ample
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opportunity to come forward to stop this. If she was
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this big victim that they try and make her out
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to be, she didn't do it, all right, So all
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of this evidence against Epstein and her was compiled over years, Folks.
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This wasn't a one off. This wasn't some situation where
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Jeffrey Epstein or Glene Maxwell misread the vibe and went
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in for a kiss and the girl turned her head away.
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That's not what this was. No gray area here. These
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girls were brought there with a specific purpose for Jeffrey
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Epstein and Glayne Maxwell to abuse them. That's exactly what happened,
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and it was brought to light in the trial. David
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said he is proud to be part of holding Maxwell
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accountable for her crimes. This verdict is for all victims,
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David told The Independent, for those who testified, for those
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who came forward, and for those who haven't come forward.
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I'm glad that Maxwell has been held accountable. You are
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not the only one, David. Let's just hope that you
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were honest, my friend, during the questionnaire period and the
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follow up questions. Let's just hope that you were honest, pal,
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because what have I been telling you folks from the
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very beginning. A game of loopholes and technicalities. That's what
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Maxwell plays, That's what her legal team plays, and that's
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what she's paying all this money for that sort of thing,
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not for what happened in the courtroom. You see what
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happens in the courtroom, even with high profile attorneys. If
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you are not telling the truth, if the evidence is
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a mile high stacked against you, you are cooked. And
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all you can hope for is some sort of misconduct
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by the jury, some sort of technicality. That is your
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only hope. And that is certainly the case with Maxwell.
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So I really hope that this gentleman didn't give her
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that in this verdict shows that you can be found
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guilty no matter your status. And look, that's a big deal, too,
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right to shot across the bow. These people have gotten
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away with their actions with impunity for way too long.
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And I've said it a million times here. I'm sure
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you're tired of hearing it. We all expect these people
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to be thieves. We all expect them to steal from us,
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not to pay their fair share of taxes, not to
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you know, to do all of the things that the
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elite class has been doing ever since society was created.
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We've accepted that, we've looked the other way, literally for centuries.
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But when you start abusing the most vulnerable amongst us,
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actually physically abusing them, and doing it in a brazen
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manner where everybody knows what's going on, and law enforcement
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turns the other cheek, Well, now you're gonna have a problem,
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at least with me. I can look by the robber
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baron bullshit because guess what, that's how that's how it works.
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Everybody's getting a taste. But I will not, I repeat,
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will not look the other way if you're running a
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human trafficking ring targeting children and the most vulnerable amongst
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us Aka people that I relate to, my people, my tribe,
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and frankly most of yours too. Unless you're sitting on
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generational wealth, folks, you are not part of the team.
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These people don't care about you. Show up there with
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a few million dollars, big deal. You ain't shit to them.
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This is a generational wealth club, and the rest of us, well,
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like I always say, just pieces on the chess board.
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I've told the Independent that he found all of the
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accusers who testified to be believable, incredible. Despite the defense's
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many attacks on their credibility and their attempts to poke
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holes in their memory, they were all believable. Nothing they
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they said felt to me like a lie, he said,
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and I agree with that. I don't think that any
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of them were lying up there. Did they have some
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misremembered memories? Sure, I'm almost positive they did. Do you
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remember everything that occurred, you know, to nineteen ninety four,
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I certainly don't. I mean, it's my freshman year of
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high school. I remember some things, but not everything. Now, obviously,
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I've never had anything traumatic like this happened to me,
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certainly not as far as being abused by somebody. So
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I can't even put myself in the position of recurring
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memories from a perspective of trauma, because I didn't have
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any kind of trauma like that. So I understand that
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you forget things and small details might get missed, but
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it's the core story that never changed. And for me,
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that was the thing that sealed the deal. Right when
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you're telling these stories and you're telling your you know,
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the story of you basically, every now and then, some
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details might be missed, but the core of the story
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is what it is. David knows that sometimes you can
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misremember small details of traumatic memories without ever doubting the
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core of the memory. He knows that because he himself
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is a survivor of sexual abuse. I know what happened
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when I was sexually abused. I remember the color of
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the carpet, the walls. Some of it can be replayed
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like a video, he said. He explained this to the jury.
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So this is where it gets a bit shaky. Right. Look,
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I'm just trying to shoot you folks straight right. I'm
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not gonna put any garnish on this and dress it up.
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If this dude wasn't honest with the judge and with
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the lawyer, this is gonna be a big problem, one
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hundred percent gonna turn into a big problem. If dude
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wasn't honest. Now I'm not gonna speculate if he was
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honest or if he wasn't honest, I don't know, But
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if he wasn't, get ready to buckle up, folks, because
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we're gonna have to basically start right where we started
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in the beginning and go all the way over again.
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And it's gonna be another long, long road. Now. Obviously
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I'll be here for it one way or the other,
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no matter what happens. But I would much prefer to
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move forward and go after these co conspirators and not
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cover ground we've already trecked. So he knew that some
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misremembered details doesn't mean, the memory itself didn't happen. There
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were also questions from the jury about why the girls
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didn't come forward earlier, but David said he knows what
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that's like too. I didn't disclose my abuse until I
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was in high school, he said. And you see this,
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this is a reoccurring thing. And I talked to my
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little sister about this a little bit. And like I've
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said on the show, many times, she worked with abused women,
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battered women, women who came from abusive relationships, and she
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worked to provide them a safe place at a company.
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And I asked her about that kind of thing, and
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she was telling me the same thing. How a lot
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of these women who are abused never talk about the
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abuse to anyone, and when they do come forward a
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lot of times it's years and years later. And I
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didn't know any of this stuff, right, I was so
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ignorant to all of this until I started digging into
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this case. I had zero idea the pervasive problem of
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human trafficking or domestic violence or any of this stuff.
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When you see the numbers that one in three women
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are going to be abused in their life at some point,
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that means one in three dudes or abusers. I've said
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this previously. We gotta be better as men and dudes
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out there that consider themselves alpha mel doubly for you Cap,
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you out here laughing it up, yucking it up. Somebody's
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being sexually assaulted. A real man steps up to the
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plate and stops that shit. A real man does something
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about it, doesn't laugh about it, doesn't make jokes about it.
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We aren't past that in our society. It's obviously a
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big problem. Women are being abused left and right, and
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society just looks the other way. And I was part
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of that problem for a long time. I didn't know.
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And again that another shot at the legacy media. While
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they're busy getting me all pumped up on rage porn
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telling me how evil the iraqis are, they should have
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been informing me about these kinds of monsters, real monsters
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that actually had an effect on my life. But they didn't,
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so I had no idea. And once I do into
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this and I started to understand the true scope, I
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was absolutely blown away by how pervasive this problem is.
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The jury room went dead silent when he shared his story,
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He told The Independent. David believes this helped the jury
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understand that it's possible that these women were telling the truth.
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You might forget some things, he said, but the core
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of a traumatic memory stays with you. And again, this
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is where it could get dicey if he did not
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disclose all of this previously during jury selection. It's going
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to be a long road, folks. And again, I won't speculate.
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I don't know one way or the other, but I
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really hope that he was upfront and honest. There were
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also questions about why the girls kept going back to
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Epstein and Maxwell and why they accepted their help. See
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people who ask those questions, and I'm not trying to,
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you know, just brand people with a brush, but the
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people who ask those kinds of questions most times come
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from a more affluent background, more come from you know,
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they grew up in the suburbs, or they grew up
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with you know, daddy going to work every day and
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mommy's staying home and you know, a nice life, and
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they don't understand the struggle of being poor, how two
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hundred dollars or three hundred dollars can change your whole
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entire perspective of life. For a lot of these people
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in the suburbs. Two or three hundred bucks is nothing.
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It's a handbag or a pair of ray bands. When
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you're poor and somebody offers you two or three hundred
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dollars to give them a massage, it's life changing. It's
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a life changing event. Herb, I'm guessing that their parents'
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whole paycheck was three hundred dollars. Okay, So when you
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talk about why did they come back, why did they
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keep going? You got to understand the whole entire situation
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here and look at the big picture and try and
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put yourself in the shoes of other people. And if
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you've never been poor before, you don't understand any of this.
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You're like, what do you mean three hundred dollars is
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a big deal? Yeah, right, Well, I have news for you.
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Three hundred dollars is a huge deal. And when I
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was growing up, three hundred dollars could have made or
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break and made it or break it many many times.
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As you know, my parents had me real young and
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for the early portion of my life, when my dad
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was finding his way in his career, three hundred bucks
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would amend everything to us. So when people ask why
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they keep coming back, why, that's why if you have
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nothing and then somebody dangles a little something in front
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of you, it's kind of hard not to be enticed
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to go and try and get a little of that.
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We are not here to judge these victims, David told
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The Independent. We are here to judge whether we believe
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their stories, but we are not here to judge the
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decisions they made or didn't make. We cannot judge what
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they did or didn't do. Afterward, he said, it doesn't
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change what happened. It doesn't, right, And I would interject
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here that a lot of these girls' problems stemmed from
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the abuse suffered at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein
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and their friends. So when you try and destroy their character,
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just keep that in mind that a lot of this
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happened because of the trauma that they suffered at the
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hands of these scummy sons of bitches. David felt that
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the defense were continually attacking the accusers on the stand,
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and he said these attempts did little to change his mind.
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At one point, the accuser, testifying under the name Carolyn,
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threw her binder of evidence down because down beside her,
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because she was so distressed by the questioning she was
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being subjected to and I get that, right. I understand
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that that's rough, and my heart definitely goes out to Carolyn.
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But that's what these lawyers are going to do, and
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you know that. So it's up to the prosecution to
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prepare these witnesses for the barrage that's coming. And I
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get it. There's no prep work that can get you
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truly prepared for sitting on the stand and getting peppered
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with questions from Everdelle Menninger, Bobby Sternham. There's really nothing
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that prepares you for that. These are highly educated people
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who are good at their craft. They're gonna find ways
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to trip you up. And remember, there's no such thing
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as a perfect witness. It just made me feel more
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compassion for David, said. The juror said that ultimately the
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jury found that all of the victims were credible. The
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defense team focused strongly on its memory expert Professor Elizabeth
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Loftis Loftus testified about experiments that had been conducted in
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which researchers had successfully implanted a false memory into the
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mind of research subjects. I mean, talk about Yahoo quackery.
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You might as well be on the planes in the
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eighteen sixties and find yourself a snake oil salesman. I
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don't buy any of this stuff. Honestly, I just don't
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buy it. I've said that from the beginning, and I
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still stand by it after listening to her give her
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testimony in court. She just doesn't do it for me.
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And if it was my life on the line, and
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this was the strategy that my legal team came to
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me with, they'd be going back to the drawing board,
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believe it. In one study, the researchers were able to
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change a detail of a memory about witnessing a car accident.
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They were able to convince participants that the scene featured
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a stop sign rather than a yield sign. But that
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didn't sway the jury either, David said, and it shouldn't
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so because of that one instance, it should affect what
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goes on in this jurors room. Ridiculous. None of that
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relates to traumatic memory, he said. Loftus set herself that
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she had never conducted a study on whether these tactics
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would work with the memories of sexual abuse. David recalled,
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it's like bringing in an expert on Lamborghini's to work
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on a Ford. Sure it's an engine. Sure, it's a motor.
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Sure it has some of the same parts, but it's
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not the same thing. So just because she's a memory
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expert doesn't mean she's worked with traumatic memory. Since the trial,
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there has been speculation that the fact that juror had
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been a victim of sexual abuse could be used by
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Maxwell's grounds for appeal. Speaking separately to Mail Online, David
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said he cannot remember the details of the fifty question
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pre trial questionnaire. Each potential juror was asked about whether
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they were a victim of sexual abuse or a relative
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or a friend of a victim, but he felt he
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had answered all questions honestly. So, according to him, he
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thinks he answered the questions honestly. We will have to
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see again. Nobody knows anybody saying that they know is
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lying right now, we can guess, but the only people
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who really know are the judge and the lawyers. I
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would guess. And here's the thing. If this is an issue,
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you better believe that Maxwell's people are going to make
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an issue of it. So let's wait and see what
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they have to say. David told The Independent that the
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accuser's testimony was corroborated by a significant amount of evidence.
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He specifically mentioned Kate, an accuser who testified but was
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not allowed to be considered for the actual charges because
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she was over the age of consent in the UK
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when she was abused, and set her testimony powerfully corroborated
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the other accusers' stories. She was able to show us
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that this was a pattern, David said. We knew we
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couldn't use her testimony to convict Maxwell, but she showed
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the pattern of how those girls were groomed. She showed
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us the pattern that happened to all these girls. And
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it's true right as it was happening. I told you
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about the foundational building blocks that were being put down
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by the prosecution, and then the house would be built
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the top of those, and that's what they did, maybe
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not perfectly, but they got the done right. The roof
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doesn't leak, the floods aren't coming in through the front door,
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so they did an adequate enough job of doing that.
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It was about confusing their boundaries, he said. For Jane,
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it started with seeing Maxwell topless. For Annie Farmer, it
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started with Maxwell showing her how to give Epstein a
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foot massage. The pattern is that Galaine talks to you
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like she is also a teenager. Then it moves into
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a massage. She tries to make you comfortable, to see
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what they can get away with. What she did was wrong,
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and it's one hundred percent of fat. What she did
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was beyond wrong. It was draconian. Some of the most
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disgusting shit you can ever engage in, abusing children. What
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is wrong with you? I have no empathy for it, folks,
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zero empathy for it. And again, remember we're not talking
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gray area nineteen year old with a sixteen year old,
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none of that, right, we wouldn't even be bothering touching
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a subject like that. There is no gray area here.
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There is no oh well, I didn't knows, or you know,
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the using youth as an excuse. These were very educated,
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powerful people who knew exactly what they were doing. Annie
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Farmer's story was backed up by our teenage diary as
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well as her high school boyfriend that was important to
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the jury, he said. Carolyn's story was backed up by Sean,
25:27
her ex boyfriend, who testified that he used to drive
25:29
her to Epstein's Palm Beach mansion. That's called providing receipts. Folks,
25:33
Prince Andrew, take note, I know you got a lot
25:37
of nonsense pouring out of your stupid mouth, but you
25:39
don't have any receipts to back any of it up.
25:42
So this is called providing receipts. Okay. Jane's story was
25:52
backed up by our high school boyfriend, who remembered being
25:55
told about Epstein when they were younger. The accusers' stories
25:58
were backed up by the flo logs, which placed Jane
26:01
on at least one flight with Maxwell. David said their
26:04
stories were backed up by Maxwell's Little Black Book, an
26:07
address book found in Epstein's home that listed the names
26:11
of massuses, including Jane and Carolyn. Ah. You know big
26:15
time messuses, right, Little fourteen and fifteen year old girls
26:19
might as well mark down astrophysicists next to their name
26:22
as well. It is all absurd. Rich people don't need
26:26
to find fourteen or fifteen or sixteen year old girls
26:29
from the hood. They go and call themselves a massage therapist,
26:33
a professional who comes over and gets deep into the
26:36
actual area that's affected and works out the kinks. That's
26:40
not what you were looking for. You weren't looking to
26:43
work out the kinks. You were looking to engage in
26:45
some kink. So let's just call it what it is,
26:51
David said. The Little Black Book also gave the jurors
26:54
clues about how Maxwell and Epstein had evaded accountability in
26:58
the past. There were names of several Palm Beach police
27:01
officers listed on the first name basis in that book.
27:04
David said, those girls' names and phone numbers were listed
27:07
next to the words mom and dad. He said, professional
27:11
massuses don't need their parents with them, no shit. I
27:14
mean it's anyone who's calling these girls massuses is literally
27:19
suffering from CTE or something. Did you fall and hit
27:23
your head skateboarding? What happened that made you think something
27:26
like that, because these are not messuses. Many speculated that
27:32
the jury chose to acquit Maxwell on count two because
27:36
the count related solely to Jane and that Jane was
27:38
less credible than the other victims, but David told The
27:41
Independent that wasn't the case. We simply didn't see enough
27:45
direct evidence to convict on count two. It wasn't about
27:49
believing Jane, and you know what, I look, sometimes you
27:52
don't have all of the evidence. I thought it was
27:54
a stretch to try and get her on that count anyway,
27:56
but worth a shot, right if it was up to me,
28:00
I would hit her with one hundred counts of RICO predicates.
28:03
So yeah, you're talking on the wrong guy. I would
28:05
have smashed her with everything and hopefully five or six
28:09
or ten or twenty stick. But that's how they do
28:11
it with RICO. You're gonna get hit with one hundred
28:13
and fifty predicates and good luck battling your way out
28:16
of that. See you at court to have a plea deal,
28:19
because that's inevitably what happens to normal folks who get
28:22
busted up with RICO. Count two was a substantiative charge
28:29
that required proof that Maxwell enticed Jane to travel across
28:32
state lines. David said there just wasn't any direct evidence
28:36
for any specific trip that Maxwell took any action to
28:40
entice Jane to get on those flights. I personally was
28:43
willing to find her guilty on count two, he said,
28:45
but we all decided in the end there wasn't enough evidence.
28:49
David also explained that he was convinced the closeness of
28:53
Maxwell and Epstein's relationship and the key role she played
28:57
in his life, well that's hard not to believe, right,
29:02
We all know the role Maxwell played in Epstein's life,
29:05
we all know that Glen Maxwell wasn't a socialite, she
29:08
was not a madam. That would mean those girls were hookers.
29:11
They were not. And we all know that she was
29:14
a child abuser, a human trafficker, and an absolute scumbag.
29:21
And frankly, I am glad these jurors have center up
29:24
the river. Now, the question remains, and the big question
29:28
hanging over everyone's head now is was this juror truthful.
29:32
We're gonna have to see, folks, right I'm gonna be
29:35
on top of it. I'll be following it, you know,
29:37
all day like usual, and tonight we'll be back with
29:40
our Prince Andrew update, and if there's anything to add
29:44
from this portion of the day, I'll get on that
29:47
as well. Like I said, I have an article I
29:49
want to share with you folks about the potential prison
29:54
that Maxwell might go to or the kind of prison
29:56
she might go to. I found it very interesting and
29:58
I think that you folks will find it interesting as well.
30:01
So with that said, we're gonna wrap it up for
30:03
this morning, folks, and you already know what's coming. You
30:06
have some context episodes and then we have our evening
30:09
update tonight. So I hope that all of you have
30:12
a great day, and that's gonna do it for me
30:15
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30:18
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in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back
30:41
to the Epstein Chronicles. So this situation with juror number
30:46
fifty is still yet to be decided. Well, now, Glen
30:51
Maxwell's lawyers have come out and they're saying that Scottie
30:55
David juror number fifty should have never even been on
30:58
this jury. Now that is the point of contention, isn't
31:01
it should he have been on this jury or shouldn't
31:03
he have been on this jury? Well, that's what they're
31:07
trying to figure out as we speak, and the decision
31:11
is going to come down to what Judge Nathan makes
31:15
of all of this. So if she thinks that Maxwell
31:18
deserves a new trial, that's where we're gonna end up
31:21
on the flip side of that. If Judge Nathan rules that,
31:25
you know, Scotty David just misremembered here and didn't lie. Well,
31:29
there'll be no mistrial and we'll move on to the
31:32
sentencing phase. Now. I hope that that is the route
31:37
that we go, right. I don't want to deal with
31:39
another trial here. I know none of you want to
31:41
deal with another trial, and I certainly know that the
31:44
survivors don't. And really that's what it comes down to
31:47
for me, right, those ladies, those women, they don't deserve
31:51
to go through this nonsense again, to relive all of this,
31:54
this nightmare. So I hope, beyond hope that the court
31:59
fund that things might have been a little wonky but
32:04
not out of line. That is my hope. But we'll
32:07
have to see what Judge Nathan has to say. And
32:10
you know that Maxwell's lawyers are going to be forceful
32:13
as they try and request this new trial, try and
32:15
request a new hearing to get their client off. So
32:19
let's jump into this article from the Guardian and let's
32:23
see what Victoria be Kimpus has to say. Headline, Glenn
32:29
Maxwell lawyers say Scottie David should never have been on
32:33
the jury. Attorneys reject explanation that juror fifty flew through
32:37
the screening questionnaire which would have flagged he had been
32:41
sexually abused. And if I was the lawyers, I'd be
32:43
saying the same thing, right, Hey, look, this guy obviously lied.
32:47
We need a new trial. What the hell's going on here?
32:50
And from my seat in the peanut gallery, that seems
32:52
to be a pretty strong argument. Right. Look Again, I'm
32:55
not a lawyer, and I don't know. I don't know
32:58
the ins and outs on how these kind of things
33:01
usually work. But I know that if it was me
33:04
and this GURM might have lied and I was, you know,
33:08
looking at eighty years, I'd be doing everything in my
33:10
power to try and get a new trial as well. Now,
33:14
we all know that that doesn't work out so well
33:16
for people in the justice system. Right when the court
33:19
makes a decision, more times than not, that's the decision
33:23
that stands. And we've seen that over and over in
33:27
this Maxwell case, especially how many times has she taken
33:30
it to the appeals court only to have the appeals
33:33
court flip it right back down to Judge Nathan Glenn.
33:39
Maxwell's lawyers have said the jur who did not disclose
33:42
childhood sexual abuse provided a dubious explanation for the omission
33:47
as they once again requested a new trial. Look again,
33:51
I don't find his explanation to be very powerful or
33:54
to be very convincing either to be honest with you,
33:58
and I really think that this guy threw a wrench
34:02
in things here. You gotta be an honest person, right,
34:06
especially in a situation like this, when you know that
34:09
if you're out here bullshitting around, screwing things up, mucking
34:12
things up, you could start the process all over again.
34:16
And like Maria Farmer said last night on the during
34:19
the interview, how many more roadblocks do these ladies need?
34:24
The juror Scottie David was questioned in questioned in court
34:27
on the eighth of March about his lack of disclosure. David,
34:31
who was Juror fifty, told the judge Alice and Nathan
34:35
that he was distracted when he flew through a screening
34:37
questionnaire for potential panelists. The court has now heard from
34:41
Juror fifty in his own words. If there is one
34:44
thing we learned from Juror fifty at the hearing, it
34:47
is this he should have never been a member of
34:50
this jury. Maxwell's lawyer said in court papers and again
34:54
it's they don't have a you know, weak argument here, right,
34:59
but we have to remember and frame the argument up
35:02
against the backdrop of what precedent has to say. And
35:07
for Team Maxwell, they're going to sink their teeth into
35:10
anything they can, you know, sink their teeth into. At
35:12
this point, they're like a drowning man, right, any piece
35:16
of debris. So of course they're going to latch onto
35:18
this and hope beyond hope that they can finagle this
35:22
some way and manipulate this some way to make it
35:25
really look like, you know, there was a lot of
35:28
malfeasance done here, so that they can get that new trial.
35:31
That is their goal. Moreover, his answers to the court's questions,
35:37
which he gave, after which he gave after careful preparation
35:40
by his attorney, and under the protection of government granted immunity,
35:45
alternated between inconsistent, implausible, and contradictory, and at all times
35:52
lacked credibility. Yikes, that's pretty harsh. That's a pretty harsh
35:56
statement from Maxwell's team. But you shouldn't expect less from
36:00
these people. He saw the way they went after the survivors.
36:03
You really think Juror fifty is going to be spared
36:05
from their wrath. Zero chance. But look, this guy made
36:10
his own bed. Let's not forget. Nobody told him he
36:12
had to lie or fly through the questionnaire. Nobody forced
36:16
him to do any of that. He chose to do
36:18
all of that. Jur fifties explanation that he flew through
36:25
the questionnaire does not hold water and is repeated after
36:29
the fact. Assurances that the sexual abuse he suffered as
36:32
a child did not affect his ability to be a
36:35
fair and impartial juror were self serving and simply not believable.
36:41
So basically, they're just calling this dude a straight up liar.
36:43
That's what Maxwell's team is asserting. This dude's a liar
36:47
and he is the reason why Maxwell got convicted. That
36:50
is what her team is trying to say, and that's
36:52
how they're trying to frame their argument that this dude
36:55
can't be believed. He's an absolute liar, not a trustworthy guy.
36:59
Lied to get on the jur lied about this, lied
37:01
about that, and they're really trying to drive that point home.
37:07
Like anyone in his position, Juror fifty does not want
37:10
to be responsible for the retrial of Glenne Maxwell, so
37:13
he attempted to give innocuous explanations for his false questionnaire
37:17
responses and his decision to tell his story to the
37:20
international press following the trial. Well, yeah, who wants to
37:24
be that person? Imagine going down in history as the
37:28
moron who caused a retrial for Gallaine Maxwell talk about
37:32
going down in infamy. But you look, that is definitely
37:36
a possibility here. Is it likely? Look? I don't know
37:39
all right, but it's definitely a possibility here. And if
37:44
Maxwell's lawyers can find a way to finagle this conversation
37:48
and bend it more to their will, then who knows
37:52
what will happen. But I think it's going to be
37:55
a tough road for Glen Maxwell to get another trial here.
38:05
David said in court that his omission had been an
38:08
honest mistake and he had not lied to serve on
38:11
Maxwell's jury. David was granted immunity to answer Nathan's questions,
38:16
having previously stated that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment
38:19
right again self incrimination. And again, look, that is certainly
38:24
within your ability right, it's your right to plead the fifth.
38:29
But it doesn't look good in a situation like this,
38:31
especially you know, there's already questions about what this guy
38:35
has up to? And then all of a sudden, why
38:37
you know what, I'm not going to answer any of
38:38
these questions. I'm going to plead the fifth. Uh what?
38:44
So of course, people who are paying attention or watching
38:46
what's going on here scratch their head and say, well,
38:49
why are you pleading the fifth? Why don't you just
38:50
tell the court what happened, be honest, be truthful. But
38:54
he didn't want to incriminate himself, right, He understands that,
38:57
you know, he could have been in jeopardy of some
39:00
legal trouble. So he's like, you know what, I'm going
39:03
to just plead the fifth here and hope the government
39:05
gives me a little immunity. We had to be at
39:13
the court house super early, David told Nathan, and I
39:16
got here early, and it took forty five minutes just
39:19
to get through the security line. All of these little
39:21
excuses that he's given, they all fall flat to me. Honestly,
39:25
I really don't have any time for that kind of stuff.
39:28
Oh it was busy, Well what did you think was
39:30
going to happen? Oh I got there super early? Well, yeah,
39:32
that's what you're supposed to do. What is this guy
39:35
even talking about when they finally got the questionnaires hours later,
39:43
David heard papers being ripped off the questionnaire packets and
39:46
people asking questions. Oh so, people asking questions and paper
39:51
being ripped off of packets causes you to answer questions
39:54
incorrectly or fly through the questionnaire? What does that even mean? Man?
40:00
All of these reasons, all of these excuses he has given,
40:03
are ridiculous. Honestly, if I'm being real, they're ridiculous. We
40:09
just sat there for three hours. I didn't have a phone,
40:12
I didn't have a book, David said. I was just
40:14
sitting sitting there, twiddling my thumbs, thinking about the breakup
40:18
that just happened a few weeks prior, and sitting in
40:21
my feelings and not very focused. Well, you should should
40:24
have asked to have been an excuse? Then what are
40:26
you doing? Why are you sitting around there? If that's
40:29
the sort of state of mind you're in, go tell
40:31
the jurors, Go tell the judge. Hey, look, I can't
40:33
do this. I just had this bad breakup, I can't
40:35
focus correctly. I think somebody else will be better served
40:38
to serve on this jury. But no, he didn't do
40:41
any of that, did he a jury convicted Maxwell on
40:46
the twenty ninth of December of sex trafficking and related
40:50
charges for procuring girls, some as young as fourteen, for
40:54
the now deceased pedophile not financier Jeffrey Epstein, to sexually abuse.
40:59
Maxwell maintains her innocence. Oh, I'm sure she does. You know.
41:03
According to Lenn Maxwell, nothing illegal ever occurred. What she
41:06
did was on the up and up. That's how people
41:08
conduct themselves in their world, isn't it. Oh, it's no
41:12
big deal. Just come over here and give Jeffrey a massage.
41:15
Sick people, the whole lot of them are a bunch
41:17
of sick, disgusting animals. Epstein, a convicted sex offender who
41:23
once counted powerful people including Prince Andrew, in his circle,
41:27
was arrested in July of twenty nineteen for sex trafficking.
41:31
He killed himself while awaiting trial in New York federal jail, allegedly. Right,
41:37
look again, with the Epstein death, we don't have enough
41:40
information one way or the other to say what happened
41:43
in that jail cell. Right at least I don't, certainly
41:46
not for me and Bill Barr coming out and telling me, oh, well,
41:50
you just have to believe what I'm telling you here. Guys,
41:53
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. That certainly is not enough for me.
41:59
Maxwell's watershed conviction was hurled in the possible disarray following
42:04
David's post trial interviews in which he mentioned being sexually
42:08
abused as a child. David said that he told his
42:11
fellow jurors about this to help them understand facts from
42:14
a victim's point of view. Again, have we talked to
42:17
the other jurors? Are they gonna come out and say that, yeah,
42:19
this is the truth. I was swayed by this guy.
42:22
So who knows what Nathan is up to behind the scenes,
42:25
but I would think that that would be the right
42:27
way to go. Did this guy really, you know, massage
42:30
you one way or the other? You know what's up?
42:39
David's statement spurred controversy as potential jurors were querried about
42:44
past abuse during jury's selection. Have you or a friend
42:48
ever been the victim of a sexual harassment, sexual abuse
42:52
or sexual assault was one such prompt on the questionnaire.
42:56
Who can really answer no to that? Though? Honestly, does
42:58
anyone know somebody who hasn't been sexually harassed, sexually abused,
43:02
or sexually assaulted at this point in time. And that's
43:06
really just a telling narrative on society in general, isn't it.
43:13
After David's comments emerged, prosecutors asked Nathan to conduct an
43:17
inquiry into his statements, a request that was quickly echoed
43:20
by Maxwell's lawyers. Maxwell's legal team has repeatedly asked for
43:24
a new trial over David's comments. And that's where we're
43:28
at right We're trying to figure out what the next
43:30
move is here. Are we going right to sentencing or
43:34
is it going to be a mistrial and we're going
43:37
back to the starting line to start this thing all
43:38
over again. And I really really hope that that is
43:42
not the case. In paperwork filed on Tuesday, prosecutors argued
43:48
against a new trial, pointing to David's insistence that he
43:51
did not omit anything intentionally. Even if David had disclosed
43:56
past abuse, that would not have outright disqualified him from
43:59
surveying on the jury, they said, And that is the truth,
44:02
right If you when you come out and say, hey,
44:04
look I was abused, you answer honestly, that doesn't automatically
44:09
mean you're not going to be on the jury. Chances
44:11
are the defense is going to say, ah, now, let's
44:14
get rid of this guy. Bring somebody who's a little
44:16
more neutral. In chances are that's going to happen, But
44:18
we don't know. Nobody knows the future. Nobody knows what
44:21
would have happened. After the thoughtful and thorough hearing held
44:28
by this court, it is crystal clear that the defendant
44:31
received a fair trial. Prosecutors wrote, Juror fifty sworn testimony
44:36
at the hearing made evident that he did not deliberately
44:39
lie in completing that questionnaire, but that he instead made
44:42
an honest mistake. And if it's determined that it was
44:45
an honest mistake by Judge Nathan, then this is it's
44:48
a wrap, folks, put a bow on it. Let's move
44:50
on to sentency. And that's the point we're at. Right,
44:53
everyone's made their arguments, all the facts as we know
44:56
them have been put forth. Now Judge Eighthan is going
45:00
to make a determination one way or the other. The
45:05
defendant cannot demonstrate that jur fifty was biased. At the hearing,
45:09
jur fifty repeatedly denied that he harbored any bias or
45:13
feelings one way or another with respect to the defendants
45:16
or the government. Prosecutors also wrote to the contrary jur
45:20
fifty consistently testified that he was fair and impartial in
45:24
this case, and that he rendered a verdict consistent with
45:27
the evidence and the court's instructions of law. Well that's
45:31
a pretty powerful statement by the prosecution and maybe a
45:36
little bit overblown, right, But hey, look, let's be let's
45:39
be clear. The prosecution has a job to do. They
45:42
don't want this to be a mistrial more than we do.
45:45
Even go back and start all over, it looks really
45:47
bad for them. So they're going to do everything they
45:50
can to make sure that this conviction, this conviction sticks
45:53
as well as they should. By the way, because let's
45:56
be honest, does anyone really think Elaine max Well didn't
46:00
deserve to be convicted here? I mean, come on all
46:04
of that evidence that we heard, and then at the
46:06
very end for Annie to come out and drop the
46:09
hammer with her testimony, it was a rap, at least
46:12
in my opinion. Anyway. It is unclear when Judge Nathan
46:17
will rule on the attorney's latest latest arguments. Longtime attorneys
46:21
have previously told The Guardian that a retrial is unlikely. Again,
46:26
who knows in the world of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn
46:28
Maxwell what's likely and unlikely at this point, But it
46:32
certainly seems like Judge Nathan is leaning towards this verdict
46:36
being upheld, and if that's the case, we'll move on
46:39
to sentencing, and Maxwell's team, while they'll be focusing on sentencing,
46:43
they'll be moving on to trying to get this appealed.
46:47
So we'll have to see what happens here and we'll
46:49
see which way the ball bounces. But you know, it's
46:53
my opinion that we're gonna see the sentencing phase very soon.
46:57
That's what my gut is telling me right now. Well,
47:00
especially after Scottie David had his little talk with Nathan,
47:03
she didn't seem to be swayed too much as far
47:06
as what the defense was trying to go for. So
47:09
we'll have to see, but it doesn't look too promising
47:13
for Glen Maxwell and her legal team. All right, folks,
47:17
that is going to do it for this morning's update.
47:20
Last night, I spent some time with Maria Farmer and
47:23
we had a fantastic conversation for about an hour. Talked
47:27
about Epstein obviously, Maxwell obviously, but the main portion of
47:31
the conversation revolved around Les Wexner. So if you haven't
47:35
checked that episode out yet, go back to last night
47:37
the Evening Update and definitely download that one. As for me, well,
47:42
I'll be back later on Like usual, some more episodes
47:44
are certainly on their way. If you'd like to contact me,
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