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The Late Debate | 8 December · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome Wait tur Way.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. It's
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Speaker 2: great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson, with Caleb
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Speaker 2: Bond and freyer Leitch coming up tonight. The ABC wins
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Speaker 2: special recognition for its commitment to trans rights. But how
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Speaker 2: can you trust the ABC's reporting when it's so desperate
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Speaker 2: to be applauded by transactivists. The new South Wales government's
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Speaker 2: determination to turn Sydney into a twenty four hour city
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Speaker 2: is getting more and more people offside, and after starting
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Speaker 2: the Ashes series with two shocking losses, you'd imagine the
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Speaker 2: English cricket team might work on their game rather than
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Speaker 2: their tan. All of that coming up shortly, but first,
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Speaker 2: a UK father has discovered the fastest way to be
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Speaker 2: labeled unsafe around children is to criticize illegal immigration on Facebook.
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Speaker 2: Forget actual child abuses. The real danger to kids, apparently
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Speaker 2: is a dad with opinions. Former Royal Marine Jamie Michael
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Speaker 2: was charged with inciting racial hatred after he posted a
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Speaker 2: video describing illegals as scumbags embrace hisself urging people to
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Speaker 2: lobby the government for change. He posted the comments two
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Speaker 2: days after the English born son of Rwandan migrants stabbed
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Speaker 2: three little girls to death in Southport. A jury took
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Speaker 2: just seventeen minutes to clear Jamie Michael of inciting racial hatred,
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Speaker 2: but a not guilty verdict wasn't enough for the local
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Speaker 2: child protection board. They decided he was guilty of something
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Speaker 2: far worse, holding opinions the left don't like, and so
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Speaker 2: he was pronounced unsuitable to work with children, and as
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Speaker 2: a result, the Football Association of Wales banned him from
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Speaker 2: coaching his daughter's soccer team. He's appealing the decision. But
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Speaker 2: the Iraq war veteran isn't the only brit targeted for
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Speaker 2: expressing negative views on migration policy. There's more than a
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Speaker 2: dozen cases in which people, including school teachers, have been
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Speaker 2: referred to child protection agencies for holding suppose extreme views. Now,
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Speaker 2: Freia and Caleb, we all know how this works, right,
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Speaker 2: Unpopular views are called hateful, and then hateful views are
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Speaker 2: called harmful, and suddenly a person who merely expressed a
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Speaker 2: political opinion that's unpopular is labeled dangerous.
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Speaker 3: It is so wrong. And this poor father, he was
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Speaker 3: acquitted by a jury. And this is what makes absolutely
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Speaker 3: no sense. When the initial decision was made to block
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Speaker 3: him from coaching his daughter's football team. The complaint said,
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Speaker 3: at least do this until the verdict comes back. Will
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Speaker 3: the verdict's back, and according to a court of law,
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Speaker 3: he is innocent, So why is there a double standard
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Speaker 3: being applied here? The football association said, oh, well, we
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Speaker 3: just don't want politics in our game. But hang on
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Speaker 3: a second. This guy rightly pointed out, you've never stopped
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Speaker 3: anyone from taking the knee to protest for Black Lives matter.
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Speaker 3: It is only conservatives that seem to be targeted. It's
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Speaker 3: so wrong. And for the community who has no idea
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Speaker 3: what's going on, imagine the impression this creates in their mind.
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Speaker 3: They must think this guy is an evil monster. He's
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Speaker 3: been banned from working with kids. But the reality is
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Speaker 3: far from.
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Speaker 1: That, and the complaint the complainant's reasoning for why something
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Speaker 1: had to be done is even more bizarre. I mean,
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Speaker 1: have listen to this. As Frey has said it say
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Speaker 1: is that this is before of course he went to court,
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Speaker 1: that he's currently out on bail and amazingly back coaching
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Speaker 1: one of the girls team, which I feel is a disgrace.
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Speaker 1: This is what the complainant wrote, but it goes on,
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Speaker 1: he should be nowhere near coaching until his trial outcome.
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Speaker 1: I am worried for my child's safety, as I would
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Speaker 1: be afraid that someone may retaliate physically against his views
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Speaker 1: while he is in the middle of a coaching session.
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Speaker 1: So he described some margarants as scumbags, some migrants are
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Speaker 1: scum bags, some people born in Britain as scum bags
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Speaker 1: as well. And now you're worried that because he said, well,
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Speaker 1: it was about an alleged illegal margaret. Well, someone's going
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Speaker 1: to turn up to a soccer match and try and
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Speaker 1: build him up in front of your daughter.
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Speaker 2: So it's not his views, it's how someone might react
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Speaker 2: to his views of the problem.
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Speaker 1: Well, but of course it is those views, because they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that if he posted something online about how
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Speaker 1: much he'd love transgender people, right and from his perspective
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Speaker 1: as well. I mean, just think what it must feel like,
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Speaker 1: he said to the newspapers. It is a horrible feeling
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Speaker 1: to have to tell people I am banned from coaching
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Speaker 1: a girl's football team. What comes to people's mind is
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Speaker 1: I must be a pervert or I've done something violent
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Speaker 1: to children, which is of course what you would think
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Speaker 1: when some board sees that you're not allowed to coach
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Speaker 1: a children's soccer team, it's like, well, he must be
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Speaker 1: unsafe to be with kids. And by the way, the
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Speaker 1: process he went through before it even got to this point.
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Speaker 1: So he post this video online, which, as you said,
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Speaker 1: was after the South stabbings.
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Speaker 2: When tensions were high and correct obviously upset.
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Speaker 1: It was a terrible and it was untrue that the
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Speaker 1: alleged defender was an illegal migrant at best. We know
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Speaker 1: that probably came from a Russian bots on x or somewhere,
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Speaker 1: but it was a pressure point in the UK. He
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Speaker 1: puts up a video in which he said let's go
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Speaker 1: and lobby councils and the government. He didn't say let's
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Speaker 1: go and hurt people. But for that post, he was
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Speaker 1: arrested at his workplace, so he's humiliated in front of
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Speaker 1: his workmates. He spent three days at the police station
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Speaker 1: awaiting questioning, and then they put him in the slammer
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Speaker 1: for seventeen days on Remand I mean, all the guy
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Speaker 1: did was put up a video saying some margrants as
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Speaker 1: scumbags and we should lobby the government to do something
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Speaker 1: about migration. Seventeen days in jail.
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Speaker 2: There's another aspect to this story, which is that currently
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Speaker 2: the Justice Secretary, David Lammy, is trying to get rid
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Speaker 2: of jury trials. Now, the fact that this guy was
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Speaker 2: taken trial for a Facebook post is outrageous in the
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Speaker 2: first instance, but the jury his peers saw sense. After
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Speaker 2: seventeen minutes they said not guilty. But under David Lammy's
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Speaker 2: current suggestion, he wouldn't have been entitled to a jury trial.
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Speaker 2: It would have been a judge and so many of
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Speaker 2: them allow now politicized. Would you have fancied his chances
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Speaker 2: of getting off in front of a judge only trial,
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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure.
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Speaker 1: Who knows. While we're talking about children, an awful case
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Speaker 1: in Sydney today involving students at Scott's College over the weekend,
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Speaker 1: there was a group who gathered at Willara golf course.
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Speaker 1: They were apparently hosting. The Daily Telegraph has learned what
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Speaker 1: they call the Bob Awards Bob Boys on beers. It
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Speaker 1: stands for now you can imagine what happens when a
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Speaker 1: bunch of underage boys to get together and get on
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Speaker 1: the beers. Other boys were seen in footage that the
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Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph has gotten hold of being forced to drink beer.
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Speaker 1: Boys as young as thirteen years old being told to
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Speaker 1: neck these drinks, and this was all caught on camera. Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the boys who went along to this event,
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Speaker 1: he was told a couple of weeks ago on Snapchat
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Speaker 1: to come along, and he thought he was being invited
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Speaker 1: to partake in the festivities. Well it turned out that's
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Speaker 1: not why they wanted him there. They wanted him there
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Speaker 1: to bully him. Now, this footage has been blurred so
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Speaker 1: you can't see the worst of it, but this is
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Speaker 1: a taste of what this young man endured. Now he's
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Speaker 1: basically been forced to walk through a tunnel of his
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Speaker 1: fellow schoolmates there who are throwing beers at him, pouring
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Speaker 1: beer on top of him, yelling explete, hiss at him,
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Speaker 1: calling him fat, and on it goes. His mother spoke
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Speaker 1: to ben fordham Ontujib the morning.
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Speaker 4: He got there late because he was coming from work.
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Speaker 4: He was lured there and pressured into going. He was
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Speaker 4: told that it was an expectation that he'd be there
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Speaker 4: and all of the boys needed to be there to
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Speaker 4: show support. When he got there, he was set upon,
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Speaker 4: poured beer over his hair, pulled his shirt, the beer
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Speaker 4: was burning his eyes, pulled his shoulders with bruises all
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Speaker 4: over him, and just absolutely humiliated him. And I said,
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Speaker 4: did you ever fall on the floor? And he said,
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Speaker 4: I had to make sure I stood up because I
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Speaker 4: knew I wouldn't get up if I lay down.
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Speaker 1: You can imagine what it must have been like for
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Speaker 1: the kid, and you can imagine what it must have
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Speaker 1: been like for mum hearing that and then recounting that
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Speaker 1: story on radio this morning. Police are now investigating the case,
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Speaker 1: and rightly so. And I don't want to make this about,
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Speaker 1: you know, oh it's a boy's thing, because I'm sure nasty's.
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Speaker 1: I know, nasty stuff happens at girls' schools as well.
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Speaker 1: Been involved in stories like that when I was a reporter.
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Speaker 1: It's not exclusive to boys' schools, and it's certainly not
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Speaker 1: exclusive to private schools either. But every time we see
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Speaker 1: one of these stories of you know, kids off the
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Speaker 1: rails as it were, and this level of bullying, it
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Speaker 1: often does seem to be a private school, and you
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Speaker 1: have to wonder whether it's maybe a sense of entitlement
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Speaker 1: that some kids develop that it could get to this
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Speaker 1: point where you go, actually, I'm going to invite a
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Speaker 1: fellow schoolmate at the end of the school year to
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Speaker 1: harass him and bully him and pour beer all over
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Speaker 1: him and yell explete his What makes a person do that?
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Speaker 2: Well, just when you say that we typically hear these
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Speaker 2: reports about private schools, I do wonder if that's not
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Speaker 2: because it's more prevalent in private schools, but we expect
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Speaker 2: more from private schools, especially high fee paying schools such
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Speaker 2: as this one. That the interesting thing about bullying these
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Speaker 2: days is because bullying has always existed, right, but mobile
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Speaker 2: phones did not always exist, and posting things on the
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Speaker 2: internet was not always around. And so now the bullying
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Speaker 2: is not just for a moment. It's not just for
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Speaker 2: a few minutes, as bad as that was, but it
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Speaker 2: goes on and on because that video makes the rounds
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Speaker 2: of all the other kids in school. So the humiliation
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Speaker 2: of this kid is compounded. And that's what makes it
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Speaker 2: so terrible that it's almost like the bullying has ended,
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Speaker 2: but it goes on because that internet video continues to
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Speaker 2: be played and there's no escaping it for the kid.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph had an interesting feature the other day
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Speaker 2: talking about numbers of young children have taken their own lives,
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Speaker 2: some as young as twelve because of bullying that was
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Speaker 2: recorded and played online.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it does extend the pain. But I'm
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Speaker 3: not it's an interesting point you raise, Caleb. Does this
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Speaker 3: happen more often at private schools. I'm not sure whether
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Speaker 3: it's sense of entitlement or whether these hazing rituals are
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Speaker 3: just more of a tradition, because it does sound like
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Speaker 3: this was a thing that they sort of do each year.
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Speaker 3: And this is not to excuse it in any way,
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Speaker 3: but these things are often part of the culture of
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Speaker 3: the school. It's similar to some of the colleges where
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Speaker 3: I went to UNI. At Sydney UNI, they have very aggressive,
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Speaker 3: hardcore hazing rituals that often end in physical injury and
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Speaker 3: certainly things that could be perceived as bullying. So I
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Speaker 3: think it does speak to some There is a cultural
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Speaker 3: issue clearly at this school where people think this is okay.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of this does seem to be baked
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Speaker 3: into the tradition and if you call it out, people
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Speaker 3: will say, oh, well, you're just stopping boys from being
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Speaker 3: boys and having fun, and you're stopping tradition.
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Speaker 2: We talked about a psychologist, was it last week? Who
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Speaker 2: said bystanders should not bullying. That's because you're you're empowering
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Speaker 2: victim week, someone should have stood up for that poor kid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack and that episode exactly exactly right. Well, if
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Speaker 3: you're looking for a new place to get a job,
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Speaker 3: you might want to check out the ABC because they've
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Speaker 3: just been given the Platinum Employer rating by ACON, which
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Speaker 3: is an LGBTQI plus lobby group. ACON gives out these
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Speaker 3: awards every year to employers that reach the pinnacle of inclusivity,
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Speaker 3: as they like to call it. But what's really strange
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Speaker 3: about the case of the ABC is one, this is
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Speaker 3: a lobby group. So you've got a national broadcaster, a
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Speaker 3: publicly owned group, trying to win points from an LGBT
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Speaker 3: lobby group. That's strange. But some of the things the
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Speaker 3: ABC has had to do they extend just beyond staffing
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Speaker 3: and stopping bullying. They actually extend to the editorial policies
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Speaker 3: of the organization. So some of the things that the
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Speaker 3: ABC has had to do to get this coveted platinum
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Speaker 3: status is upgrade its computer systems so you can have
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Speaker 3: non binary pronouns. They've had to build all gender bathrooms
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Speaker 3: and even provide gender affirming care leave. Now, keep in
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Speaker 3: mind this is for twenty six out of four thousand employees,
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Speaker 3: and only one of those transgender employees has ever requested
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Speaker 3: gender affirming care. So you're doing all of this for
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Speaker 3: a very, very tiny percentage of your workforce. But that
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Speaker 3: is just one layer of this. The deeper concern is
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Speaker 3: whether the ABC has changed its editorial practices to win
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Speaker 3: this award. One of the things that Acon encourages people
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Speaker 3: to do to win points is to create positive stories
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Speaker 3: about LGBT issues. Now, the ABC, in their application to
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Speaker 3: win points from Acon, noted that they've appointed a queer
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Speaker 3: content lead. They've also established ABC Queer, which is in
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Speaker 3: a social media first or only, an Instagram account that
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Speaker 3: is all about covering stories about LGBT stuff. But the
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Speaker 3: question is what kind of stories are they covering now?
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Speaker 3: One person said, what's disturbing about ABC Queer is it
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Speaker 3: isn't just that it uncritically promotes transgender ideology, but that
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Speaker 3: its target audience is young people. It's really not a
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Speaker 3: stretch to describe ABC Queer as the proper gander arm
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Speaker 3: of Acon. They post lgbtqia plus facts such as some
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Speaker 3: women have penises and some men have periods. So in
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Speaker 3: what they're saying, I mean that is l GBT propaganda.
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Speaker 3: Essentially that would be ACN sanctioned one hundred percent. But
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Speaker 3: then they also omit other stories. If you look up
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Speaker 3: what the ABC has published on the Tavistock clinic that
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Speaker 3: was ordered to shut after the cast review was completed
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Speaker 3: in the UK, one result on the whole website it
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Speaker 3: was probably the biggest development in gender affirming care of
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Speaker 3: the last five years. So, James, is the ABC completely
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Speaker 3: rotten and broken? And this, by the way, is just
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Speaker 3: scratching the surface of what's going on.
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Speaker 2: I think what you're trying to say, Freyer is conflict
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Speaker 2: of interest. I think that's what I heard. Yeah, you're saying.
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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if the ABC, I don't know, okayleb
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Speaker 2: signed up to a Catholic organization and they attempted to
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Speaker 2: win points. I can't never had me use a better example.
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Speaker 2: They know, I can't think of it conservative example, but
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Speaker 2: let's go with the Catholic organization. They endeavored to win
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Speaker 2: points from the Catholic organization for promoting Catholicism on the ABC.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there would be outrage about that. Now there
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Speaker 2: was back in twenty twenty two, a little bit of
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Speaker 2: outrage at the ABC. Remember Paul Barry hosting Media Watch,
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Speaker 2: and he pointed out that the ABC's association with ACON
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Speaker 2: does represent something of a conflict of interest and there
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Speaker 2: was outrage among staff. They were hugely upset by Media Watch.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I think Paul Barry may have made reference
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Speaker 2: to it in his final episode hosting Media Watch. So
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Speaker 2: this is something that even if the ABC end their
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Speaker 2: relationship with Acon, which they should, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: it will make that much of a change because the
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Speaker 2: dye has well and truly been set, The culture has
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Speaker 2: been established. There's a way of doing things now at
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Speaker 2: the ABC that is promoting trans ideology, and staff will
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Speaker 2: hear nothing to the contrary.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, and Media Watch Linton Bess have brought it up
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Speaker 1: on Media Watch again a few weeks ago in the
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Speaker 1: context of all the stuff that's been going on with
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Speaker 1: the bbccause of course it was very similar. Allegations came
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Speaker 1: out of about how things were being run into toile
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Speaker 1: at the BBC in terms of you know, they had
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Speaker 1: some sort of queer content lead and that said that
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Speaker 1: everything had to go through them, and he brought that
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Speaker 1: up again. There was an oldped in the AFR three
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Speaker 1: weeks ago on it as well, so it's been bubbling along.
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Speaker 1: But the stuff that the ODS is pulled out in
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Speaker 1: their fois I think makes it pretty clear that even
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Speaker 1: if there is not an official directive, that you have
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Speaker 1: to change the content you're producing at the ABC in
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Speaker 1: order to get these points. It's in the back of
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Speaker 1: the mind. And how can you have an organization which
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Speaker 1: not only is a news organization which weich should in
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Speaker 1: most of its reporting be fair and balanced, but is
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Speaker 1: an organization that is by law compelled to be fair
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Speaker 1: and balanced and impartial, vying for paying for with our money.
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Speaker 1: By the way, all of these courses that come from ACON,
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Speaker 1: which is an activist organization, and then vying for rewards
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Speaker 1: for on them, competing with the rest of corporate Australia
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Speaker 1: to rise up the LGBTIQ ladder, It's all very odd.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what why we are paying for this,
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Speaker 1: particularly when clearly it had an effect on the content
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Speaker 1: that the ABC produces. Well is it? I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the small number of LGBTIQ people look
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Speaker 1: for that ACON rating, I don't know, but I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have thought that most people who are applying for a
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Speaker 1: job at the ABC. Maybe at the ABC, but most
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Speaker 1: workplaces are looking for that score before they put their CV.
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Speaker 2: All right, can we talk about Anica Wells the sports
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Speaker 2: we have. I'll tell you what everyone else is, so
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Speaker 2: we might as well, because she's in all sorts of trouble.
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Speaker 2: First of emerge, she'd paid what was it ninety four
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to fly herself and a couple of staff
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Speaker 2: members to New York. Then there was the matter of
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Speaker 2: three trips to Paris within twelve months, costing about one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand dollars, including a one thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: dinner for just a few people at a Paris restaurant.
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Speaker 2: There's the family trip to Threadbow. There's Oasis tickets, AFL tickets,
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Speaker 2: NRL tickets. It goes on and on. An Eca Wells
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Speaker 2: explaining herself on Sunday, have a listen.
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I don't write these rules.
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Speaker 5: They might pass the guideline test, but you must see
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Speaker 5: that they don't pass the pub test.
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Speaker 3: Andrew, you and your viewers can absolutely have an opinion
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Speaker 3: about the rules.
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Speaker 2: Here's my problem with this minister. She talks about, well,
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Speaker 2: it's not wrong, but is it wise? She talks about, well,
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Speaker 2: I can do this, but the real question is should
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Speaker 2: you do this as a cabinet minister in a cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis? Is this really the sort of behavior
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Speaker 2: that most people would say is acceptable? Now? An interesting
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Speaker 2: article in the Career Mail today by former Labor Housing
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Speaker 2: Minister Robert Schwarten, who defends an Eca Wells saying pubtest.
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Speaker 2: Who cares about the pub test? Everyone at the pub
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Speaker 2: is drunk every anyway, so what would they know? But
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Speaker 2: he writes, Caleb, can you believe this? It is no
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Speaker 2: coincidence that ms Wells faces this barrage on the eve
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Speaker 2: of bringing to life world first laws that aim to
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Speaker 2: curb child suicide. So it's not that the minister has
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Speaker 2: done anything wrong. It's not that she shouldn't have spent
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Speaker 2: all this tax payment. The issue here is people are
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Speaker 2: just upset about the social media band. I guess it's
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Speaker 2: a bunch of fourteen year olds who want their YouTube
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Speaker 2: accounts back, who are bringing all this into the public
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Speaker 2: domain to try and get back at the minister a little.
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Speaker 1: By that argument, if it's the fourteen year olds who
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Speaker 1: want their YouTube accounts back. Maybe the kids ain't so
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Speaker 1: bad after all, put them in charge, I reckon. And
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Speaker 1: it's a bizarre line of defenses. Is not because and
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Speaker 1: he goes on to say directly, oh, you know, they
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Speaker 1: just want to cut down the tall poppy. Yeah, because,
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Speaker 1: of course, that tull poppy went over to the US
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Speaker 1: at a cost of you know, nearly one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars for her and a few staff to talk about
21:03
Speaker 1: this social media band. And mister Schwarten says, of all
21:07
Speaker 1: of this, truth is she went commercial. And anyone who
21:10
Speaker 1: has had to book a last minute flight will know
21:13
Speaker 1: the airlines love to tax passengers like that, hence the
21:16
Speaker 1: inflated price. Now, of course the public, the pub brigade, sorry,
21:21
Speaker 1: have a thing about class here. And if there was
21:23
Speaker 1: an economy minus where the passenger sat on the floor
21:27
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours, then that too would spark outrage.
21:33
Speaker 1: Look ninety was it ninety three? Ninety four thousand dollars
21:36
Speaker 1: ninety four? I think we can all say is a
21:39
Speaker 1: bit over the odds. Economy minus. I don't care fly
21:42
Speaker 1: economy minus. And this is the other bizarre connection he
21:46
Speaker 1: tries to make. He says, here's the thing. It seems
21:49
Speaker 1: that no one in Publand is concerned that Pauline Hanson,
21:53
Speaker 1: He's picked up over six million dollars from the same
21:56
Speaker 1: taxpayer for just putting her privately owned party on papers
22:00
Speaker 1: all over the country. Again, no rule's broken. Everyone does it,
22:04
Speaker 1: although to be fair, the big parties spend it on
22:07
Speaker 1: candidates and electioneering. Pauline is entitled to not tell us
22:11
Speaker 1: as it's her money. Pub test What pub test? Now?
22:15
Speaker 1: What he's talking about is if you get more than
22:19
Speaker 1: four percent of the vote in any electorate, you get
22:23
Speaker 1: federal funding, so that the encouragement is that if you
22:27
Speaker 1: can actually pull a vote, you do get funding that
22:30
Speaker 1: is presumably then meant to go towards an election effort
22:33
Speaker 1: next time around. People can't just put their name on
22:35
Speaker 1: the ballot and expect to get money for it. And
22:38
Speaker 1: of course it's meant to discourage political donations. It's meant
22:41
Speaker 1: to level the field to some degree so that minor
22:44
Speaker 1: parties do have some money to compete with major parties.
22:48
Speaker 1: And he's somehow making a comparison from that to nearly
22:53
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars being spent on overseas travel at
22:57
Speaker 1: the last minute, taking your husband to the footy and
23:02
Speaker 1: the NRL and the boxing day test on the public dime.
23:06
Speaker 1: Of course, today we find out that she failed to
23:09
Speaker 1: lodge all of her interests and all the freebies she's
23:12
Speaker 1: had within the twenty eight days she was meant to
23:15
Speaker 1: do so. And that is the same as Pauline Hanson
23:19
Speaker 1: getting public money because she got more than four percent
23:21
Speaker 1: of the vote. And nobody gives us stuff because they
23:24
Speaker 1: just want to take down a tall poppy.
23:26
Speaker 2: On apples and oranges what they call.
23:29
Speaker 1: Boom boom with Pauline Hanson's tea.
23:31
Speaker 3: I really don't get this argument, because Labor also gets
23:34
Speaker 3: public money from taxpayers for having candidates on ballots. Everyone doesn't.
23:40
Speaker 1: That's the difference.
23:41
Speaker 3: Oh and who knows what Pauline Hanson's One Nation is
23:44
Speaker 3: spending that money on. But this is probably one of
23:47
Speaker 3: the weaker arguments. And if you're resorting to this argument,
23:50
Speaker 3: I think it's because you probably realize you've completely lost it.
23:54
Speaker 3: But the other thing that is just hypocritical about this
23:56
Speaker 3: whole saga is if it was a coalition minister who
24:00
Speaker 3: was intertwining their personal life and leisure trips with official
24:05
Speaker 3: engagements just to get the tax paid to pick up
24:08
Speaker 3: the tab. They would be all over them, demanding them
24:12
Speaker 3: to resign. Let's cast our minds back to when Susan
24:15
Speaker 3: Lee was forced from the shadow from the cabinet as
24:17
Speaker 3: a minister because she bought an investment property while on
24:20
Speaker 3: the Gold Coast on official business. Well, hang on a second, here,
24:25
Speaker 3: Anika Wells attended a friend's birthday party while on official business.
24:30
Speaker 3: Is that not exactly the same scenario. If anything, I
24:34
Speaker 3: think attending a friend's birthday party is even more frivolous
24:38
Speaker 3: of an exercise. And so why are they willing to
24:41
Speaker 3: call out the coalition? But when the shoes on the
24:43
Speaker 3: other floor, Oh no, no, and I fear because Albanezi
24:46
Speaker 3: has such a large majority, he just doesn't care. There
24:50
Speaker 3: is nothing you can do right now to get any
24:53
Speaker 3: of these ministers sacked because he doesn't think he needs
24:56
Speaker 3: to pass the pub test. He's got the whole pub already.
25:00
Speaker 2: You should be happy, though, with that career mail article,
25:02
Speaker 2: is Pauline Hansen, because when you've got labor staff as politicians,
25:06
Speaker 2: former politicians saying well what about one nation? That's nice?
25:10
Speaker 2: They're talking about one nation all of a sudden.
25:12
Speaker 1: You know, I don't begrudge the sports Minister going to
25:15
Speaker 1: sporting events on a free ticket. We know that happens,
25:19
Speaker 1: but I mean taking your husband, who, by the way,
25:21
Speaker 1: I believe Misuwell's husband is quite high up at sun
25:23
Speaker 1: Court Bank, so I'm pretty sure he could afford his
25:25
Speaker 1: own flight when he's already been offered a free ticket.
25:27
Speaker 1: Cursey of his wife. And also I mentioned the interests
25:31
Speaker 1: that she put out today. The Register of It says
25:33
Speaker 1: in there that on the tenth of November she attended
25:39
Speaker 1: a Collie Flower Cup lunch. Now, look, I'm a racing man.
25:45
Speaker 1: I've never heard of the Coliflower Cup. I assume she
25:48
Speaker 1: means the core Field Cup. But that is a week
25:52
Speaker 1: before the core Field Cup. The Sports Minister can't even
25:56
Speaker 1: spell core Field Cup correctly. Seems a little lot. While
26:00
Speaker 1: we are talking about sport, just allow me for a
26:03
Speaker 1: moment to bask in the glory of our second win
26:06
Speaker 1: in the Ashes. Oh, I know, isn't it magnificent? After
26:11
Speaker 1: all that hype about the Poms, you can see them,
26:13
Speaker 1: I mean, how destitute do they look? All this height?
26:15
Speaker 1: They're going to come out of here and wipe the
26:17
Speaker 1: floor with us and you know what, the Poms at
26:19
Speaker 1: their best are pretty good, but at their worst they
26:23
Speaker 1: are shocking and we've seen a bit of that well.
26:27
Speaker 1: Their coach, Brendan McCallum. He says the problem was not
26:31
Speaker 1: that they didn't do enough prep. Of course, Perth went
26:34
Speaker 1: for two days. This at least made it to four
26:37
Speaker 1: days in Brisbane. Wasn't that they didn't do enough prep.
26:39
Speaker 1: In fact, they did too much of it.
26:42
Speaker 2: How will you handle what's happened over the last four days?
26:45
Speaker 6: Here is the sort of group that will sit down
26:47
Speaker 6: tonight in the rooms and chat about it over a beer.
26:49
Speaker 6: Is that we let the boys have their own space
26:51
Speaker 6: for a couple of days and then get back together,
26:53
Speaker 6: try and get rid of it as quick as you can.
26:55
Speaker 1: What's the best approach?
26:57
Speaker 6: I think we'll probably have a beer tonight and then,
27:00
Speaker 6: you know, I think leading into this Test match, I
27:01
Speaker 6: actually felt like we over prepared. To be honest, we
27:03
Speaker 6: had five intense training days and I think sometimes when
27:06
Speaker 6: you're in the heat of the battle, as we all know,
27:08
Speaker 6: I think sometimes the most important thing is to feel
27:11
Speaker 6: a little bit fresh and make sure your top two
27:13
Speaker 6: inches is completely sound.
27:14
Speaker 4: And I think the.
27:14
Speaker 6: Boys just need a few days off to a couple
27:16
Speaker 6: of days in NUSA, which would be good, spend a
27:18
Speaker 6: bit of time casually and just let things, let the
27:21
Speaker 6: dust hittle on what's been a pretty intense couple of
27:24
Speaker 6: weeks and start to plot and plan our way back
27:25
Speaker 6: into the series.
27:27
Speaker 1: Yes, they were so over prepared that they turned up
27:30
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play a game with a pink ball
27:32
Speaker 1: before they went and played in Brisbane, etc. And so
27:35
Speaker 1: they've now decided the best thing they can do is
27:37
Speaker 1: take a few days off in NUSA to rest and recuperate,
27:42
Speaker 1: as of course you do when you're losing the Ashes
27:44
Speaker 1: to Niel. You're over prepared.
27:47
Speaker 2: You don't get better at something by doing less of it.
27:51
Speaker 2: But that seems to be their strategy right. The problem,
27:54
Speaker 2: of course, is that they're not only the English cricket team,
27:56
Speaker 2: but they're coached by a New Zealander. So you put
27:58
Speaker 2: those two things together. What hope that they have?
28:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, all we've heard this Ashes season are excuses, excuses, excuses.
28:06
Speaker 3: No one is taking any accountability for England's horrendous performance.
28:10
Speaker 3: Maybe after some time in the sun or will be forgotten,
28:14
Speaker 3: but not forgiven very quickly by the English side. Someone
28:18
Speaker 3: else that won't be getting forgiven anytime soon is the
28:20
Speaker 3: Victorian government. Residents down in Melbourne who live just one
28:26
Speaker 3: hundred meters away from twenty four hour construction of the
28:31
Speaker 3: suburban rail loop are being given get this headbands to
28:36
Speaker 3: where while they sleep with in built speakers to mask
28:41
Speaker 3: the noise. Wow, isn't that exactly what you'd want?
28:46
Speaker 1: Now?
28:47
Speaker 3: Families are naturally outraged. Construction of the suburban rail loop
28:51
Speaker 3: is going to be going for twenty four hours a day,
28:53
Speaker 3: six days a week. Yet the authorities say, oh, well
28:58
Speaker 3: the noise will only be so we're not going to
29:01
Speaker 3: relocate you, but we will give you a nice sleep
29:04
Speaker 3: headband to do what.
29:07
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Well, I mean they should feel grateful
29:09
Speaker 2: because back in July, residence in another part of where
29:13
Speaker 2: this suburban loop is being constructed, they were given a
29:17
Speaker 2: gift pack of biscuits and tea bags and a thirty
29:22
Speaker 2: dollars voucher that they were told they could either redeem
29:25
Speaker 2: at the movies or at a mental health which I mean,
29:31
Speaker 2: what's that saying about these people? I guess you'd have
29:34
Speaker 2: mental health issues, wouldn't you if you had a jackhammer
29:36
Speaker 2: going at all? Hours of the morning, your kids couldn't sleep,
29:39
Speaker 2: and all you had to comfort yourself was a government
29:41
Speaker 2: supplied biscuit and tea bags. It shows you what they
29:45
Speaker 2: think of Victorias.
29:46
Speaker 1: Well well you needed after living under Daniel Andrews and
29:49
Speaker 1: ciner Alan, don't you here is one of those reasondents
29:52
Speaker 1: who copped the free tea in Bickie's.
29:55
Speaker 5: English Breakfast Team. I think those were two dollars through
30:03
Speaker 5: two for five dollars at Woolworth and some chocolate wafers,
30:08
Speaker 5: and then if you're really lucky, you might get a
30:12
Speaker 5: thirty dollars outer.
30:14
Speaker 2: To the movies.
30:16
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how cash strap they are in Victoria.
30:18
Speaker 1: And we can't relocate you while we're digging massive holes
30:22
Speaker 1: next to your house twenty four hours a day, six
30:25
Speaker 1: days a week. We'll give you a headband with some
30:28
Speaker 1: Bluetooth speakers in it. I mean, seriously, while we're talking
30:31
Speaker 1: about noise though. Up in Sydney, a few pubs have
30:35
Speaker 1: been trying to revive Sydney's nightlife. They were given a
30:39
Speaker 1: directive by the Men's government to do so. They've been
30:42
Speaker 1: fiddling with the laws try and say, look, surely you
30:45
Speaker 1: can go to the pub after ten pm, god forbid
30:49
Speaker 1: even after midnight, and the Hunter's Hill Hotel, known to
30:53
Speaker 1: the locals as the Three H's, or certainly known to
30:57
Speaker 1: the boys at Joey's. I'm told who sneak out and
30:59
Speaker 1: go there as the Three H's. They wanted to extend
31:03
Speaker 1: their training from midnight till two am, but they were
31:06
Speaker 1: met by opposition from the council, which has said bugger
31:09
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, and the residents for reasons
31:13
Speaker 1: including would you believe it that the sound of car
31:17
Speaker 1: doors opening and closing after midnight would be too unbearable
31:22
Speaker 1: and that all these drunkards walking down the streets of
31:26
Speaker 1: Hunter's Hill at one thirty in the morning will be
31:29
Speaker 1: impossible to deal. Okay, you live close to a pub
31:35
Speaker 1: and you're it's the sound of car doors that's going
31:38
Speaker 1: to keep you awake.
31:39
Speaker 2: But to be fair to the people of Hunters Hill,
31:41
Speaker 2: it wasn't just car doors. You're choosing the most extreme
31:45
Speaker 2: of their examples, and don't all about me that such things.
31:48
Speaker 2: There were other problems they the Hunter's Hill has like
31:51
Speaker 2: it got a village feel. They don't want people out
31:54
Speaker 2: drinking till two am. Plus the police themselves have said
31:57
Speaker 2: that they are against extent in the trading ours at
32:01
Speaker 2: the pub because of potential criminal activity. People move to
32:05
Speaker 2: Hunter's Hill, don't laugh for it. You shouldn't be condemned
32:08
Speaker 2: as a wowser just because you moved into a place
32:11
Speaker 2: that's quiet, got a village atmosphere. And then because the
32:14
Speaker 2: new South Wales government want to raise more revenue, they've
32:17
Speaker 2: got this what do they call it? A vibrant nighttime culture?
32:21
Speaker 2: And the Minister for nighttime economy what what is inn
32:25
Speaker 2: is that he says that local county is.
32:28
Speaker 1: What is the minister or what is the nighttime economy?
32:31
Speaker 2: Why do we have a minister for a nighttime economy?
32:34
Speaker 2: Do we have a minister for a daytime economy? Well? Well,
32:36
Speaker 2: do we have a minister for people with young children
32:38
Speaker 2: who would like to sleep rather than listen to car
32:41
Speaker 2: doors being slammed?
32:42
Speaker 1: Of all of all the ministries that exist, I think
32:46
Speaker 1: this is a legitimate. Like there's some pretty dodgy sounding ministries,
32:49
Speaker 1: I think this one's a legitimate one. Why wouldn't you're well,
32:52
Speaker 1: you're meant to be a global city of Sydney. Why
32:55
Speaker 1: would you not want at Hunter's Hill?
32:56
Speaker 2: Hunter's Hill is a sleepy suburb, just nestled into an
33:00
Speaker 2: bay in the harbor. It's not a global city location
33:03
Speaker 2: for this. CBD can topreak twenty four to seven Heaven suburbs,
33:08
Speaker 2: but this is happening all over Sydney, in Penrith on
33:10
Speaker 2: the north Shore. People don't want it. If you want
33:13
Speaker 2: to party all night, do it in the CBD, go
33:15
Speaker 2: in there on the metro. It's pretty cheap, but leave
33:18
Speaker 2: the suburbs alone.
33:19
Speaker 3: People do want it, it's just Nimbi councils don't.
33:22
Speaker 2: And that's in the desire of rate payers.
33:24
Speaker 3: They're reflecting the desire of the most vocal winges in
33:28
Speaker 3: their community, which tends to be the people that can
33:31
Speaker 3: be bothered to rock up to council meetings at seven
33:34
Speaker 3: o'clock on a Tuesday night when everyone else has a life. Now, James,
33:38
Speaker 3: I would take your argument, but one of the complainants
33:41
Speaker 3: lived three kilometers away from the pub in another suburb.
33:46
Speaker 3: This is not about the pub. This is about destroying
33:50
Speaker 3: fun and Hunter's Hill Council is complicit in the destruction.
33:53
Speaker 2: There's the geography of Hunters Hill that the slamming of cards.
33:58
Speaker 2: You know, this is a croc when the Minister for
33:59
Speaker 2: the Nighttime Economy has encouraged local councils and I quote,
34:04
Speaker 2: to embrace vibrancy reforms. What's a vibrance when they start
34:09
Speaker 2: talking gobbledygook like that.
34:10
Speaker 1: But that's just true across all government. People have forgotten
34:15
Speaker 1: how to speak in real language. We all know that.
34:17
Speaker 1: But I live in Balmaine, in Sydney, and.
34:20
Speaker 2: They like late trading hours in Balmain.
34:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that. The local council, Darcy Bourne, who
34:25
Speaker 1: is a decent labor man, is on board with it.
34:27
Speaker 1: But the Unity Hall Hotel in Darling Street, particularly on weekends,
34:32
Speaker 1: is open until two three in the morning. Every now
34:34
Speaker 1: and again. You hear a little bit of noise. Sometimes
34:38
Speaker 1: I go and join them, but it's not that bad.
34:41
Speaker 2: Just get over it all right quickly before we go
34:44
Speaker 2: to a break. I got to tell you about an
34:47
Speaker 2: annual event in Santa Barbara in California. It's very popular,
34:51
Speaker 2: large Hispanic population there. I think about forty percent of
34:54
Speaker 2: Santa Barbara is Hispanics, and this year was to be
34:57
Speaker 2: the seventy first annual how do I say this? Freyre
35:01
Speaker 2: is at Milpi Street Holiday Parade. But it's been canceled
35:05
Speaker 2: because of Donald Trump's ICE program, where they're rounding up
35:09
Speaker 2: illegal migrants, and we are told that the presence of
35:13
Speaker 2: immigration enforcement in the region generates fear and uncertainty amongst
35:19
Speaker 2: Hispanic families, particularly those involved in dancing and playing music
35:23
Speaker 2: at the parade. So it's been canceled. I suppose My question, Freyer,
35:29
Speaker 2: is if the presence of illegal immigration officials invokes fear,
35:34
Speaker 2: you have to wonder why it invokes fear. Could it
35:37
Speaker 2: be that you might be an illegal migrant?
35:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you're a resident of Santa Barbara, why
35:42
Speaker 3: are you more scared of ICE agents? Then I'll be
35:45
Speaker 3: illegal migrants in your commits.
35:48
Speaker 2: Clean your pool if the ICE agents?
35:51
Speaker 1: Who was it? Said that on the view and you
35:55
Speaker 1: know who's going to clean your toilet? Donald Trump? And
35:59
Speaker 1: you could feel the audience kind of, oh my god,
36:01
Speaker 1: we just said.
36:01
Speaker 2: The quiet part out loud.
36:03
Speaker 1: But that's true. The well heled people of the American
36:06
Speaker 1: Riviera as they call it, don't want the toilet cleaners
36:10
Speaker 1: to be deported. There enough, I suppose, all right, we're
36:13
Speaker 1: going to go to a break.
36:14
Speaker 2: When we come back, we look at what's making news tomorrow,
36:16
Speaker 2: including the crisis over government MP's overspending taxpayer money deepens
36:22
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? And Barnaby Joyce makes an announcement
36:25
Speaker 2: no one was expecting. That's coming up in a moment.
36:36
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
36:38
Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. Caleb, you've got the Daily Telegraph
36:41
Speaker 2: leading with what story would make headlines again?
36:44
Speaker 1: Oh gee, I wonder what might be going on at
36:47
Speaker 1: the moment. Of course, it is Anika Wells expenses saga
36:50
Speaker 1: erupts on stricken minister. It's just total Anika, It says
36:56
Speaker 1: the expenses scandal engulfing Labor Minister Anika Wells into new
37:00
Speaker 1: hearts yesterday a mid revelations she failed to appropriately declare
37:04
Speaker 1: free tickets to a list events such as the NRL
37:07
Speaker 1: Grand Final and eight thousand, five hundred dollars for her
37:14
Speaker 1: husband to accompany her to three executive AFL Grand Finals.
37:18
Speaker 1: As I said before, surely he can pay his own way.
37:21
Speaker 1: The ticket is free to begin with. And it continues
37:24
Speaker 1: on The Australian Tomorrow, where it says Anika's three peat
37:29
Speaker 1: Well's best on ground and lo and behold, other people
37:33
Speaker 1: are being tired into it now too. It says Labour's
37:36
Speaker 1: entitlement saga has escalated with revelation Sports Minister Anika Wells
37:41
Speaker 1: build taxpayers to take her husband to three consecutive AFL
37:45
Speaker 1: Grand Finals, which we said before, while Tourism Minister Don
37:49
Speaker 1: Farrell has logged more than two hundred publicly funded family
37:53
Speaker 1: reunion flights, including trips to two AFL deciders, three Australian
37:58
Speaker 1: opens and a sunset at Ularou. The Australian on Monday
38:02
Speaker 1: revealed them as well spent more than nine thousand dollars
38:05
Speaker 1: to arrange for her husband Finn McCarthy to fly from
38:08
Speaker 1: Brisbane to Melbourne to attend the Grand Final in twenty
38:11
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, according
38:15
Speaker 1: to records from the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority. The claims
38:19
Speaker 1: mark the latest example of mos Weell's contentious use of
38:23
Speaker 1: entitlements that have included a thirty four thousand dollars round
38:26
Speaker 1: tripp to New York, Lavish dinners in Paris, taking her
38:29
Speaker 1: husband to the Cricket and the f one family travel
38:32
Speaker 1: for a ski holiday, a visit to Adelaide that coincided
38:35
Speaker 1: with a friend's birthday party, and one thousand dollars spent
38:39
Speaker 1: on a com car that waited seven hours for her
38:42
Speaker 1: at the Australian Open. It quite literally all adds up,
38:48
Speaker 1: does it not. And now you've got a Don Farrell
38:51
Speaker 1: being checked in with the use of course of these,
38:54
Speaker 1: you know, get the family together at things now presum
38:59
Speaker 1: Surely the idea of that, as I heard James Patterson
39:02
Speaker 1: talking about with Sharry earlier this evening, is that every
39:05
Speaker 1: now and again you can take the family to Canberra
39:09
Speaker 1: with you during sitting weeks, so that when you're spending
39:12
Speaker 1: long periods of time away from home, they have an
39:15
Speaker 1: opportunity to come and see you. I don't think it's
39:17
Speaker 1: really a spirit of the thing that if you've been
39:20
Speaker 1: offered a free ticket to the AFL Final, to the
39:24
Speaker 1: Australian Open, the NRL Grand Final, or whatever else it
39:28
Speaker 1: might be, that you then get a free flight from
39:31
Speaker 1: the taxpayer to take the husband or wife, or your
39:34
Speaker 1: partner or your daughter or whoever it is along with you.
39:39
Speaker 1: The ticket is free for them to begin with. Can
39:41
Speaker 1: they not just pay their own way? Can't the minister
39:45
Speaker 1: use the salary that they're drawing to buy Harbi a ticket?
39:49
Speaker 2: I was going to say Christmas can't come fast enough
39:51
Speaker 2: for government ministers, but it seems like it's been Christmas
39:54
Speaker 2: every day for government ministers. Here's the thing though about
39:57
Speaker 2: this story in The Australian Sports Minister. For all the
40:03
Speaker 2: criticism she's caught today, she spent forty four nine hundred
40:07
Speaker 2: dollars on these family reunions since twenty twenty two. Don
40:10
Speaker 2: Farrell has spent one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars
40:13
Speaker 2: in the same period. So Don Farrell is a new champion.
40:17
Speaker 2: By the way, I love the photograph on the front
40:18
Speaker 2: page of The Australian with her lying in the Brisbane
40:21
Speaker 2: Lions confetti after they've won a Grand final. It's not
40:24
Speaker 2: a good look at all.
40:25
Speaker 3: And it's totally abusing taxpayer dollars. And the idea of
40:30
Speaker 3: the family reunion stuff is if you're a young mum,
40:33
Speaker 3: if you have dependent children, you can actually see your family.
40:37
Speaker 3: It is not for you to be able to go
40:39
Speaker 3: to sports events and have a good time. This is
40:42
Speaker 3: not the intent of the rules. And yes it might
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Speaker 3: be within the rules, but as we've discussed earlier, it
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Speaker 3: does not pass the pub test.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think they might need to tighten those rules
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Speaker 1: up a little bit. Hey. Also on the front of
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Speaker 1: the odds tomorrow, Secret b Business Judge rules Indigenous law.
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Speaker 1: Trump's open Justice extraordinary court order bearing key evidence from
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Speaker 1: former Environment Minister Tenure piber six decision to block development
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Speaker 1: of the one billion dollar Blaney goldmine was made to
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Speaker 1: protect cultural sensitivities and uphold Indigenous traditional law. Although Federal
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Speaker 1: Court Judge James Stelios accepted the decision would have damaging
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Speaker 1: impacts on open justice, he stood by the controversial order
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Speaker 1: that covers affidavits from departmental staff and the oral evidence
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Speaker 1: of a fringe Indigenous group opposing the mind lasting up
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Speaker 1: to thirty years for some evidence. I'm sorry, why is
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Speaker 1: it the job of our courts to be upholding traditional
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Speaker 1: indigenous law? I thought the law of the land was
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Speaker 1: what mattered.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what is this going to do?
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Speaker 1: So?
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Speaker 3: An indigenous leader is quoted in this article, Woraderi leader
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Speaker 3: Roy RC saying this basically just means it is open
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Speaker 3: season for anyone to make these claims and fabricate evidence
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Speaker 3: or draw some obscure cultural evidence that potentially not even
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Speaker 3: other indigenous communities will be able to scrutinize because the
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Speaker 3: judge is blocking this. I don't understand how on any
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Speaker 3: level this is allowed or okay, and the public should
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Speaker 3: be outraged.
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty simple principle, right If justice isn't seen
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Speaker 2: to be done, then justice hasn't been done. And when
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Speaker 2: it's being obscured from public view for all manner of
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Speaker 2: what would seem to me to be spurious reasons, that's
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Speaker 2: pretty poor.
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Speaker 1: Indeed. Other story on the front of the Oza missive
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Speaker 1: fire from diplomat. Beijing's top diplomat in Australia has sought
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Speaker 1: to drive a wedge between Canberra and Tokyo, casting Japan
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Speaker 1: as an aggressive power. Out of the country's Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to have a girl at that name,
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Speaker 1: warned a Chinese invasion of Taiwan could trigger a Japanese
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Speaker 1: military response. In an opinion piece of The Australian, China's
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Speaker 1: ambassador to Australia, Xiao Huan, give a go at that one,
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Speaker 1: accuses the Prime Minister of refusing to accept Japan's defeat
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Speaker 1: in World War Two and of seeking to revive Japanese militaria.
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Speaker 1: I got to said, please, when China tells you you
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Speaker 1: should be more friendly with us, than Japan. Look, I
43:18
Speaker 1: know we were at war with them once upon a time,
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Speaker 1: but relations have improved a little since then.
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Speaker 2: Are we really surprised though, that the Chinese are saying this?
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Speaker 2: When the Japanese Prime Minister was threatened by a Chinese diplomat,
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Speaker 2: the Australian government said nothing, and I think China believes
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Speaker 2: they can pretty much get away with anything when talking
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Speaker 2: to our government. Let's go to the front page of
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Speaker 2: the Canberra Times. Barnaby's choice reads the headline the worst
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Speaker 2: kept secret in Australian politics over the last couple of months.
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Speaker 2: The article reads, after leaving the National Party, New England
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Speaker 2: MP Barnaby Joyce has joined One Nation, revealing he'll be
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Speaker 2: focusing on energy, immigration, race, culture and family policies. A
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Speaker 2: nation can have multiple faiths, race and color, but not
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Speaker 2: multiple cultures. He said, what's interesting to me about this
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Speaker 2: story is not that Barnaby's joining One Nation. I think
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Speaker 2: we all knew that was going to happen. But David
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Speaker 2: Little Proud really went off, saying that this was never
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Speaker 2: about a rift between himself and Barnaby Joyce. It was
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Speaker 2: about Barnaby Joyce wanting to be leader of a political party,
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Speaker 2: which he may or not be in the future with
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Speaker 2: one Nation, and Little Proud really got stuck into Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce for walking away from the party that gave him
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Speaker 2: the honor of being leader and being Deputy Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: despite the fact that in more recent times they've sidelined him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think Little Proud and the Nationals,
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Speaker 3: I think everyone in the coalition is very concerned that
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Speaker 3: this could start a coalition death spiral as has happened
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Speaker 3: with the Tories in the UK, and they naturally obviously
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Speaker 3: want to avoid that. But we'll see. I'm curious to
44:51
Speaker 3: see how two very big personalities go coming together in
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Speaker 3: one nation. It's going to be interesting. Over in the Advertiser,
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Speaker 3: more political shakeups in Adelaide a New Voice. New Liberal
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Speaker 3: leader Ashton Hohn has pledged to acts the Voice to Parliament,
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Speaker 3: cut state debt and place affordable power prices over net
45:11
Speaker 3: zero emissions. Ms Herney yesterday replaced Vincentasia. As it emerged
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Speaker 3: liberals were asked to sign a letter urging him to quit. Finally,
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Speaker 3: some clarity on the South Australian Voice. He'll remember we
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Speaker 3: discussed last week how multiple shadow ministers had multiple answers
45:28
Speaker 3: for whether or not there would be a voice under
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Speaker 3: a liberal government. They actually said they would extend the
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Speaker 3: voice strengthen it. So good to see some clarity. Clearly,
45:36
Speaker 3: Vincentazia's leadership was not going very well.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anyone's leadership is going to go
45:41
Speaker 1: particularly well when you're up against blanawskis unfortunately interesting to
45:45
Speaker 1: note though, I think now Basil Zimplus, who's the opposition
45:48
Speaker 1: leader in Wa, is now the only male liberal opposition
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Speaker 1: leader in the country. Isn't that extraction.
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Speaker 3: He's also now the longest serving liberal leader in the country.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's no great prize these days. We're to go
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Speaker 2: to a break. We're talking earlier about the Britz upset
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Speaker 2: about their cricket team. I tell you they are more
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Speaker 2: upset than you can ever imagine. Will show you some
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Speaker 2: more very very despondent Brits after the break. Well, like
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Speaker 2: I said before the break, English fans not coping well
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Speaker 2: with their cricket team losing the first two games of
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Speaker 2: the Ashes. But it's even worse than we thought. Caleb Well,
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Speaker 2: I was going to.
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Speaker 1: Say, spare a thought for them, but actually, don't spare
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Speaker 1: a thought for them because hell, we're two up in
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Speaker 1: the Ashes and I can't wait to see them all
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Speaker 1: in Adelaide in a week and a half. But an
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Speaker 1: Instagram account called the twenty eight year old Male has
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Speaker 1: exposed looking over someone's shoulder the text messages that have
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Speaker 1: been sent by an angry Pommy fan because you can
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Speaker 1: imagine he wasn't having a good day yesterday, including the
46:54
Speaker 1: beer is expensive horse piss yet the Natives still get
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Speaker 1: pissed pins. Where you are in members you can get
47:01
Speaker 1: full strength. But I have never understood, actually how people
47:05
Speaker 1: get drunk in GA where it's like mid strength beer.
47:08
Speaker 1: I don't know how people do it. He also complained
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Speaker 1: the accents behind me and the crass comments irk me.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, buddy, you've gone to the Ashes in Australia
47:21
Speaker 1: and you're complaining about crass comments and Australian accents. What
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Speaker 1: did you expect.
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Speaker 2: What's worse than the beer and the crass comments and
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Speaker 2: the accent is someone filming your text messages over your shoulder,
47:33
Speaker 2: because that that's not good form. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Townsville. They've just had a mayoral election and after
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Speaker 2: the last mayor's term was cut short by scandal. Locals
47:43
Speaker 2: were hoping for someone who bring dignity and decorum and
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Speaker 2: respect for the office. Well they elected Nick Demeto here is.
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Speaker 1: Hey, guys look to.
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Speaker 2: And that's an improvement in terms of decorum and respect
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Speaker 2: for the office on the old man. So there you go,
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Speaker 2: you got sixty percent of the vote a former Kata.
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Speaker 1: Can I be Yeah? Do the macarena get on? Isn't
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Speaker 1: this brilliant? This is exactly what we need more of
48:22
Speaker 1: here on the late debate end in politics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like an Australian Zora mum Dani in the
48:27
Speaker 3: club's parting it up with all the youth. That is
48:30
Speaker 3: one way to be popular, but someone else who's enjoying
48:32
Speaker 3: post politics life. Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry are now
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Speaker 3: Instagram official. They posted a selfie together of them in
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Speaker 3: Japan for the next leg of Katy Perry's tour. Is
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Speaker 3: it a bit juvenile for a former prime minister to
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Speaker 3: be posting a selfie like that?
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Speaker 2: If I was a Canadian, I would be thrilled that
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Speaker 2: Katy Perry has taken him off their hands. I would
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Speaker 2: be a wrap.
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Speaker 1: Look, you know, I have no problem with them posting
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Speaker 1: about and if they're in love, that's great. Love is
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Speaker 1: a rare thing celebrated. But I suspect they probably deserve
49:05
Speaker 1: each other. They're both pretty insufferable. If it means that
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Speaker 1: Trudeau speaks less in public and perhaps Katy Perry sings
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Speaker 1: less in public, it's probably a good thing for the world.
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Speaker 2: Dating Katy Perry will see more of him, that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for tonight stick around. Coming
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Speaker 2: up is The Reader Penny Show. Good Night