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The Show Must Go On…But You Can Leave—with Michael Cohen · Laugh Love Law

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Laugh Love Love.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is, well, family.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Literally.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Cohen is my cousin.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he somehow managed how to have about five careers while most of us are still trying to figure out our first.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Michael started in the theater world as a Broadway stage manager, working on productions including A Bronx Tale, Be More Chill, and many others.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then he noticed a need backstage, created Broadway printing, built it into a business, serving some of Broadway's biggest shows, and eventually sold the company.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Today he's taken everything Broadway has taught him about deadlines, personalities, chaos, and making sure the show goes on and brought it into the corporate world.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So today I get to find out how the kid in my family ended up backstage on Broadway, becoming an entrepreneur, and what our family remembers a little differently.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Michael, welcome to Love Love Law.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: That was a pretty good intro.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_03: Was it?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: That was an excellent intro.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to sum up like, you know, 40 years of good stuff.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm gonna round down to 38, but yes.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the whole idea is to make the age gap closer, not stretch it out, right?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I was 11 when you were born, and you were my first babysitting job.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I recall uh this will be very similar to the folks who listened to the The Gabrielle episode.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I will forever remember you as being cool and 16.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I will remember babysitting you being cool because your parents had munster cheese in the fridge and my mom didn't buy any.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, there was nothing but munster cheese for like the better part of 15 years.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Munster cheese and those cinnamon graham crackers.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember when Britney got old enough to babysit with me, or sometimes she did it without me, all we would talk about was Aunt Nina and Uncle Irv's cinnamon graham crackers and munster cheese.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you were like an easy baby, so it really wasn't too.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: The Munster cheese, not still there.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: That they've evolved other cheese types and then, but the graham crackers are definitely still uncovered.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we grew up as cousins, obviously.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: You were the cousin closest in age to Britney and I.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: So um I'm 50, Brittany three years younger than me, and then no children in the family until Michael was born.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you were like the first again.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: We went from like a s a small drought to what was then quite a lot in the first time.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then Michael started the second round of cousins, and there's so many.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you were you were you were a baby for a long time.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was a theater kid at Murrow High School.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Murrow.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Edward R.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Murrow.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Michael ended up going to Murrow much, much later, and he was in the same theater program, but from a different perspective.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, how did you get your start into theater?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing question.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: So the the Murrow Theater program was incredible, but it actually my interest traced back to middle school.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: So in middle school, I found myself in the band um as the uh piano player slash taught myself to play the guitar player, slash really taught myself to play the drum player.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: But much more importantly, I was in charge of setting up the microphones.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: And loading the gear on and off of the school bus um to get to the different concerts or the graduation or the all the things.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: So it was the setting up of the microphones that was essentially the gateway drug into being uh running the follow spot for the eighth grade uh musical.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and then when I went to Morrow, I knew that I wanted to be on the stage crew.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like from the time before I even got there.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: I had met some kids who were involved uh in the theater program, and like I walked in on the very first day of freshman year into the stage crew shop, and that was it.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it didn't hurt that your older cousin was a theater legend at Morrow High School.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so kidding, I was definitely not a legend, but I knew everybody, and then I introduced you to the crew.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it was it was a it was a great, a great spot.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: And the the time that I spent there like laid the groundwork for getting into a the college where I was able to like begin learning more and such became the theater career.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in as much as you were playing instruments and you were playing the piano and the drums, how did you know that your interest was to be behind the scenes and not on the stage?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: I never wanted to be on the stage.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I got enormous joy out of setting up a world for a great thing to happen and watching that thing happen and being able to improve on it next time and to be able to have people enjoy an experience.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I loved.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: It was never I never had a desire to be in front of a camera.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: What was the biggest thing you took on in high school in terms of getting you ready for your career as a Broadway stage manager?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um so at the time in at Murrow, there was uh there was people who were involved in the stage crew, and that provided an opportunity to like build stuff and break stuff, uh, and uh learn how to, you know, build things from nothing and learn how to set up microphones and learn how how lighting equipment worked.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: But then I actually transitioned about halfway into high school into being an assistant director, which was uh much more in line with like what actual stage managing is as a profession.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: So it's much more around uh rehearsal and managing the totality of the performance and less just about what in a professional setting might be called more technical direction um or production management, um, which is more technically focused.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um so it was the combination of those two things.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I would say being an assistant director um as well as stage managing, the two things together is what laid the groundwork.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's talk a little bit about Sing.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I just went back and judged Sing for my first time.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: You did?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: I did.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: I yes, I sent uh I sent a cold email.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh and uh I I remember when I was working on Sing and you came to judge.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, you were a student.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, but maybe not everyone knows what Sing is.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: So for the that were not raised in the city of New York.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, explain.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sing is the most incredible student-produced musical competition where uh depending on the school, it might be the seniors and the freshmen or the freshmen and the sophomores, it varies throughout, um, write a and perform and choreograph uh a musical from scratch together, and then it is a competition between the two different groups.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just insert myself on Long Island.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think their version of it is called Blue and Gold.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: Sing is a far better name.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: A far, a far better name, like the musical.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um, yes, so go ahead.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: So uh that is the one of the most formative experiences of my high school career.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it probably even if it to answer it's actually a better answer to your first question.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like doing Sing, uh making something out of nothing with entirely your peers, there are really no grown-ups.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, the interpersonal dynamics, the building figuring out how to work with people to get them to where you need, uh, and putting on a show from literally scratch is uh was an incredible, incredible opportunity.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: So sing I I was involved in singing all four years, and for me, it was a little bit of a quandary because I like to be on stage, but I'm also a control freak.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: So freshman year I performed, sophomore year I performed, and junior year I directed.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I also wrote a song, an original song, to go into the show.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I may have only written it in a key that somebody like could sing because I had a very, very deep alcohol voice, and I was like, oh, somebody else will sing it, someone else will sing it.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: I end up singing it in the show, and I realized that as much as I like the backstage stuff, for me, the love was in front of the camera on the stage.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you found out that your love was behind.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, indeed.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you you spun yours into a career.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, mine's just a hobby and some shower singing, you know.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So your career makes perfect sense when you explain it, but on paper, it's a little wonky.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Can you explain the journey from high school, Carnegie Mellon, college, university, yeah, to becoming a Broadway stage manager to, and I'll let you take it from here.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: So the I'll I'll start at the at the present and work backwards.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like that.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I currently work at NBC Universal and I am the senior director of project management for the Commerce Partnerships team.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have no idea what I'm saying.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: Which is a lot of words that say I am still leading the operations of creative, uh, content-based experiences, there's just now sponsors, but there is still an audience.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: If you are home and watching the Real Housewives of Insert Place Here or Traders or Love Island, and you see uh some sort of advertising that might be integrated into that show and a QR code to scan to shop this stuff now, that is exactly what I am doing.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: So the if you think about that as less of a corporate experience, but more of somebody in a storytelling role trying to make something make sense for an audience, it actually is a perfect next step from what my job was before.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: You as a stage manager are making sure that the integrity of that show is maintained for as long as it runs.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: For Bronx Tale, it was two years.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: For Amazing Grace, it was 16 weeks.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I and many things ran in between those.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but you as a stage manager are are being trusted to help create and then maintain this world for the benefit of an audience in perpetuity.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: The job that I have now is a little bit more operations focused, it's a little bit more corporate, there's now clients, there's now more money involved, all of those things, but it's still making something that is ultimately creative that has to stand on its own for an audience.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: That that is a really easy way to understand a very complicated journey.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: But now we have to talk about that in-between thing.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: So during COVID, most of us watched trashy TV and ate donuts, and you opened a printing press business in your apartment in Queens.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: So let me I'll backtrack a little bit to correct some of that.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: So the B-Way printing.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, I didn't eat donuts?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, you I'm sure you had the donuts.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: I certainly had a donut or two.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I cleaned many a closet.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the printing business idea actually came while I was doing a Bronx tale.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and what um I had the idea that there was money to be made if I could create a printing business to service a very specific niche within the theater world.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that is if you are uh directing a show, you're a stage manager, you're somebody who needs scripts delivered at a very specific time at a very specific place, but those scripts are not going to be done.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: The writer's not going to finish the script until the Sunday night before the Monday rehearsal.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: How are you going to get 30 scripts in a binder at 8 a.m.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: on a Monday?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's the business I created.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Super niche.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, incredibly niche, incredibly profitable.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I ran it out of my apartment um for five years, somewhere around the year uh three mark.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: I scaled it to two other people's apartments.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I was essentially taking in work, dispatching, and we were all collectively delivering.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: And the largest week we ever had was a Monday where we were delivering eight orders all at 8 a.m.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: to eight different rehearsal studios at a time.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: And you might say, like, what is eight orders?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: That feels really small.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: But when you think about the total addressable market of what I'm gonna call the theater industry that I wanted to be supporting, right?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: I had about all of it.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: And when you say delivering it, you were literally delivering it in branded bags.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: Two or two, you're gonna be in rehearsal studio 8A, it's gonna show up in 8A, and it's gonna be waiting for you when you get there.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: In the middle of COVID when the world was shut down.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: There was a lot of it before, and then some during COVID.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then ultimately you sold the business because it took over your apartment.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_03: I yeah.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: I sold the business because I did not want to dedicate the rest of my life to schlepping paper up and down Eighth Avenue.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt like uh after doing the Broadway thing for uh as long or even perhaps longer than was really right for me, I wanted a clean break into what was gonna be the next thing.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because I felt at the time that if I was to continue the printing business while I was exploring uh essentially we'll call it a corporate pivot, that my phone was still gonna be ringing and somebody's gonna be like, my stuff is late, or I got a new version of the script.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: I I couldn't go all in on the next phase of my life until I really severed ties with the first half.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you sold it and I sold it too.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: You moved on and you stayed in the theater world, but I would say theater adjacent world.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: Theater adjacent world, yes.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_03: Still my closest friends to this day and probably maybe forever remain theater people.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um you just you go through war with people, yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and those friendships uh really outlast, I think, quite a lot of uh of other friendships.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Describe the insanity of a Broadway backstage area.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um so it I I guess it's like less uh like what you see on Smash or what you see on Glee, um, and a bit more uh a whole bunch of people who don't necessarily have a playbook of how they're gonna get from point A to point B.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: And you as a stage manager are the one who is going to craft that plan for them.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because you have the understanding of the big picture, what is coming on, what is coming off, what is coming next, what are the problems, and no individual actor or individual carpenter or individual prop person or individual costume person is gonna understand the big picture the way that you do.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: So your job is to uh architect how things happen and uh keep a crazy backstage from actually being all that crazy.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you've also helped people on Broadway realize they're qualified to do things outside of Broadway.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you think people have such a hard time seeing their own transferable skills?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I actually think it's less about people seeing their own transferable skills.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um I I'm sort of on a life quest right now to to make a handmaid's tale reference that you might not be able to include because of third-party IP.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: My job is to get as many handmaids out of Gilead as I can.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you think about that, there's a a pile of Broadway professionals, many of which of what I'll call, and this is a term that no one else has ever sort of used, but I'll call it Broadway's middle class.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: These are the people who are like hustling, doing eight shows a week, on a semi-regular basis, mostly working backstage, and like they have built a reasonable career around this.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Those people, a very large number of them, would love to be doing something else.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's the honest to God truth.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: And people who are trying to pivot have a somewhat difficult time trying to do it.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_03: So there's three types of people.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: There's people who have actually pivoted and try to help other people do it.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: There's people who have had some sort of theater exposure in their life and understand that people who work on creative endeavors, also even more generalized, have an amazing ability to make something out of nothing, work really long hours, work really hard, be dedicated, understand what an audience or consumer experience is, they will help.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: My boss at NBC now was in that category.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: He did theater in college, he did improv.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like he knew what the value was.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then there's people who just are not going to understand.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I have had quite a few interviews over the course of time when I was looking uh to land somewhere in the post-stage management world, uh, that they're like, You did what before this?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like I I my resume was good enough, like uh with enough help to like get it to get an interview, and then I'm at in the interview, and they're like, You don't have any trans.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, this is your I'm not for you.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's it's not that the individual has a hard time seeing the transferability, it's that a prospective employer is like, Why would I hire you to do this job?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that makes a lot of sense, but obviously you did a a a good job explaining your own transferability.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: I did, and and and certainly NBC Universal is a very friendly place for ex-theater people.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: You can't throw a rock that far without hitting another one.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I won't say that it was without, you know, uh a little help along the way, but it certainly is it's a challenge that there's people that don't quite get it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to talk about the 1987 Nissan Centro now?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: So uh so a little known fact that I uh remembered while driving here is that you and I shared a few years apart the same vehicle.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: So our our late grandpa helped me purchase my first used but decent car.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I drove it for a while, and then I got into a an accident, and then the trunk wouldn't open, and the door was kind of banged in, and it was still working, but it just wasn't like the kind of car I wanted to drive anymore as I got older.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I gave you the car, and you drove around with that busted trunk and broken door for a long time.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yes, that was my high school car.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: Drove that, uh, parked it outside of the music hall at Edward Murray High School for my whole senior year, came to college.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and then junior year I got into my own fender bender, and that was the end of the day.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: That was the end of the day.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: And that was the end of that.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: Did you ever open the trunk?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: I somehow my.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: What'd you find?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Can I have it back?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you'll have to ask my father.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: I bet we did the car have a name.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: Was it called Boy?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Your dad always named cars.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: He named my first car Big Daddy, but I don't know about that car.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Boy?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was called Boy.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we're gonna have to ask him about that.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't remember that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that was the name for the car when you got it.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think the fun fact is that my second car after that car, I think was Britney's car.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: The brown was it brown?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: White?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about that.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Your dad, your dad found me my first car.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he loved doing that.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, still does.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I had a budget of like$300.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then he found me a Buick Century.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the car was as big as this whole room.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: It worked if you rubbed the dashboard in a certain way and said please.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it had a giant sticker on the back that said, I love Italia.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they drove around in Big Daddy until finally Grandpa Sonny helped me buy the next clonker that got passed on to you.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that was that was a great clonker.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was it, that clonker got us through some stuff, yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so New York City Marathon and Hyrux.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Who are you and what's going on?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: So uh so I am uh doing my second run at the New York City Marathon uh in the midst of the training.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: You say that like cat like casually.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm running 26 miles.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: 26.2.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: 26.2?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh Yeah, you know, it's uh it's a lot, it's hard.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the I had always been a runner since I was a uh kid playing uh 10 years of soccer in Brooklyn.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was terrible at soccer, but what I uh it laid a really strong foundation for being able to run.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I always casually did it.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and then a couple of years ago I started getting a little bit more serious about it uh and thought that okay, maybe I could do this.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and last year was the first time I did it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and it's brutal in every way.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but I'm gonna do it again and try to beat my time, and I think that will be the end of my uh marathon running career.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: All right, but that's like a big deal to do two of them?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And what what was your time, if I might ask?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because whatever you tell me, I'll say, wow, that sounds great because I have no idea what a good time is supposed to be.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh well, if people can verify it on the New York Roadrunners.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I was uh 120 four hours and 26 minutes.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty good though, right?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, listen, some some people go way faster, some people go way slower.
• 20:08
  unknown: Okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you do it again.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna do it again.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: What's the goal this year?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: I would like to get to 415.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'll be happy with 420.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: And how's the training for the marathon?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like what do you do?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is it daily runs or right?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: You run a few times a week.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh like short run, short run, long run is kind of the idea.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: Some some people run four or five times a week.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: This body can't handle that.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: I run through to three.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And high rox.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Explain what is that?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Hyrox is a fitness competition.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's like found it sounds gross to say.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but this is like fitness season.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but it is a a hybrid competition of both running and eight, uh, we'll call it activity stations, but um burpee broad jumps or rowing or the ski erg, um uh pushing a sled, pulling a sled.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um really yes, and you run a kilometer between each of these things.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: My parents came to watch uh the the New York High Rocks uh a couple of months ago, uh, and they had a great time.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and I had a good I had a good time too.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is fun.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So this is something you continue you continue to do?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's actually something I want to focus on more than the marathon.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this will go on beyond November.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: November is November?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, want to talk about something serious.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um recently you went through not so recently, but you went through a divorce.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: And most people doing hierarchs and marathons have also gone through a divorce.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: I knew where you were going with the transition, but I didn't I didn't help you there.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: But no, that's okay.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you wrote something in your questionnaire that I thought was really interesting.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: You said ending a relationship can sometimes be a blessing in disguise.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: And coming from a family where marriages have last, that you shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed to embrace divorce.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was it.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I was in a relationship for 16 years.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: It was a college relationship that continued and continued and continued.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it is uh it is really difficult when your grandparents were together for 65 years and your parents are still together to say, okay, I'm gonna be the one that uh turns out made maybe the wrong decision.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: And uh the the journey of the demise of that relationship um was a very long and winding road.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but uh now on the other side of it, uh I could not be happier with like where things have gone uh professionally, emotionally, in a new relationship, all of the things um I don't think I could have uh I don't think I was able to see at the time that I really needed to like that whole that we had to burn that city for a whole new, even better thing to to come about.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was like the more of the start of some something new, a new life, rather than uh the end of something.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: I I the I felt like I was mourning the the demise of the relationship for maybe the last three and a half to four years of the relationship.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um and when it finally you know ended, I was like, okay, like it's time.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: There there was no questioning.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like I I never wanted to be someone who didn't say, you know what, I did I did everything.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: I tr I turned over every rock, and that is the confidence in we tried, we tried hard.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we're amicable to this day.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um we tried, we tried hard.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was not meant to to get us to phase two of life.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um and having the sort of confidence that like that we did it and it happened and we're we're moving on.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um is a is a good thing.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I think the saying is that you uh don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: And even something that doesn't end up the way you had intended it um led you to where you are now.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's very brave.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I remember when you had told me and and I and your wife was lovely.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember thinking that is so brave to just be able to you know it's true because again, coming from especially your side of the family where everybody was married forever and you know, devoted, and I know how you are.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: You put your everything into something.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, no, I I I commend you for following your heart.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's a big deal.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but now speaking of things we both love, yes, I didn't know you were obsessed with silo.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh I've been waiting to talk to somebody about silo for the better part of a year.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I finally got Britney to start watching.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Josh and I are up to date.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: Did you watch Fridays?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, good.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: We won't tell it any spoilers.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: But oh my God.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: It is, you know, I'm not a big Redditor, but I read it for the silo Reddit.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it is uh it brings together things that I have long loved about different television shows.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Number one, I love a world that is so um complex with its uh rules and traditions.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh really the same reason I loved Handmade Still.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it also has uh there's so much mystery as to how we got there.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and third season in, we still don't know.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: We still we know tidbits a little bit.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it still is not uh and honestly, it's one of those things where if if they gave us all the facts, people would just be poking holes in the parts that don't make sense.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it is so captivating.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you what I love.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: I love that the characters aren't so cut and dry.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like I won't say I love Juliet.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I like her.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: There are things about her that are strange.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: There are things that I don't agree with, but I want to know where she's going, what she's doing.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, all the characters are like that.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't I I just they're very complex.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Did you watch Paradise?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: The On Hulu?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, I've not watched that one yet.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: Same better no.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Silo is a smidge better.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: But if you love Silo, like you need to like next project.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: We only have like two episodes left in silo season before we uh have to wait.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um Paradise is Sterling K.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Brown, who I love.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Sterling, I like love you.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Would love you.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Love you on the podcast.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Big fan.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that's an amazing, okay, amazing show.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: And now you talk about handmaids.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Loved handmaids last season got wonky.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: It did, yes.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: It went on a little too long.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about the testaments?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm ready for more.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um we thought so handmaids?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: I forget.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think Chelsea got us into handmaids.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: And Josh and I were sort of giving up because the last season, like I said, not so good.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And she got weird.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I think Britney started watching Testaments first, and she was like, oh my god, you Oh, it's everything.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and she's so beautiful.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Ugh.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: But love, love.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we have similar TV tapes.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: We do indeed.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is good.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um what was your favorite like 90s sitcom?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Were you like a friend Seinfeld guy?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: I was a Seinfeld guy.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: I absolutely was.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the it turns out that show hasn't aged terribly well.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you've gone if you've gone back and watched.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's okay.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I remember when I was teaching employment law and we were reading, we were reading cases from like the 40s and the 50s, and the language was bad.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like language that would not be okay today.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say to the students, like, if you don't want to say those words, you don't have to, you can substitute them.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're comfortable with it, I'm okay with it because you're reading a piece that was written at that time.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel the same thing with Seinfeld.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it's definitely misogynistic and racist and biased and a million other things, but at the time it wasn't.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: And but also even it's put all that even aside, like just the humor itself, I think the the what an audience expects out of a show now is slightly different than uh than what that show was.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: I I I watched the pilot maybe about six months ago, uh, and I was like, uh it was a time.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Josh never got into it, and then I tried to make him watch it, and he's like, it's alright.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're funny moments.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like if you watch Seinfeld every day in your life, there's something that pops up into your head, like like movie phone.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like movie phone is just classic.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one last one last TV.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what one movie phone thing.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: So you remember the movie phone when you called movie phone, and you're like, if you know the name of the movie, you'd like to see press one now.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I was on a call, a work call this past week, and I said that, and my boss says, you know, most of the people on this call have no idea we're gonna talk about.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then and then Kramer, why don't you just tell me the name of the movie?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's classic.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, so here's another TV question.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So me and my daughters, all three of them.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we love the good place.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, I've I haven't actually gotten into that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Josh hates it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: My my sisters have not found love for it, but the good place is it's it's yeah, it's my go-to.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you may or may not.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's weird.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right, ready, grab those paddles.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: A little laugh love.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is speed round.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember how to play?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, love it, funny, yes.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Or you hate it.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can give me story, you don't have to.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Ready, the junk drawer.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I just said that like such a broken girl.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: The junk, the junk drawer.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: I love cleaning the drunk drawer.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, if it there's there's tidbits.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, I love cleaning the drink.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: You like cleaning drawer.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh password requirements.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Two-factor authentication.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just my face, a blood sample, forget it.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um parents showing off your baby pictures.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'll laugh at it.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think if they were showing them off now, it would be a little strange.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh charcuterie boards.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, uh love, love.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like what's your favorite thing?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know not Munster cheese.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, not Munster Cheese.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the I I do love uh anything with like a nice fig jam.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not particular about the cheese.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, huge fan of anything on a board that's meat and cheese related.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Concert encores.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'd like to go law because I'd like to go.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: You're done?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm done.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: Before we move on to capsule confessions, and because you're my cousin, yes, I I need to remove my my piece of hair off of your actually piece of my extension, but it's all good, I know.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: Glue it back in.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's all good.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, you ready?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Put the paddles down.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Paddles down.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now, yes, see how you do with this one.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna turn the dial three times, put the quarters in, take out the capsules.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Three questions that you'll get in there.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: You can either answer them, ask me.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, look at look at this guy.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's like a pro.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: And or you can leave it for the next guest.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: Do I do all three quarters now?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's totally up to you.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're back.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: We had a little, you know, on camera blitz, but we got the we got the capsules.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're good to go.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Michael, what do you got?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: In the yellow ball.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the yellow capsule is the one that has you do something.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: So let's see what my cousin has to do.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent handwriting.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: Whoever wrote.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, give that with me.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Give a one-minute acceptance speech for an award you've never won.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um great.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um I would like to thank the Academy um for giving me this honor.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm gonna have to look there.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like to thank the Academy for giving the uh the honor of uh best printing business on Broadway.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I worked hard, uh, blood, sweat, and tears in my apartment and other people's apartments for hours uh at nights over the weekends.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I would like to thank uh my cat uh who was like, why are there so many printers in my house?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is when the music comes on and tells you to do it.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll we'll wrap it up.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, good job.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, very good, very good.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Purple, purple.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Very purple.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: What is your favorite thing to order at a diner?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's a good question.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um anything with a home fries.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because no one makes home fries like they do at the diner.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like well done and crispy.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like when they ask you home fries or french fries, like it's always friends.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: Who's ordering the french fries?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: No one's ordering the french fries.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: What do you got?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: What is the bravest career decision you've ever made?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's perfect for you.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good one.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, yeah, the bravest career decision that I ever made was sending a cold email during the pandemic that ultimately was the start of uh the job that I have now.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Send the cold email.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to point out that Michael's the first guest, I think.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: There was no doubt he answered all three.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't pass anything.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Good job.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna play our last game.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Don't look.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna just pick up eyes closed.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna pick up this box right now.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It has lots of goodies in here, objectively speaking.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Michael, I'm gonna shake it up.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Hoping it doesn't break, you know, it's from Timu.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Anything?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, watch.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, what do you got?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's a little it's a koala.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, this is perfect.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now what show does that belong in?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's gotta be one of the shows that you were associated with, and how are you gonna use it?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, um, that's actually a very easy question.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: This would be um, this would be an ornament on somebody's book bag in Be More Chill.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: That was awesome.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can I have this?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is fabulous.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you like that?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so now to commemorate our time together, I'm gonna ask you to sign that token.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's a Sharpie right there.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll put it into the Laugh Love Law jar of memories.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: And while he's doing that, I will give you a Laugh Love Law hoodie.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Which you can use when you're running or exercising or doing all those interesting things.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Love merch.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, of course.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cousin, it's always fun when we get together.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll say I'll say what I say every time I see you.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: We really should do things that are not that Red Cooled.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but thank you for being a wonderful little cuz.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, big cousin.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for being here.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And thanks everybody for tuning in until next time.