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Nathan Jones: The Coming Millennial Kingdom - Animals & Mankind at Peace · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  God bless you and Merry Christmas season, friends.
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  So I'm really excited to talk about a couple of different things today with Dr. Nathan
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  Jones.
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  He's an author, and he serves as the director of Internet Outreach, and he's the Internet
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  Evangelist at Lamb and Lion Ministries.
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  You guys know the website, christinproficy.org, and Nathan, thank you so much for your time
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  today.
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  Glad we were able to connect.
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  Oh, David, so good to be on again.
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  God bless you all and greetings to the Native of Jesus, our blessed hope.
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  Awesome, awesome, awesome brother.
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  So before we get into what we're going to talk about and what kind of food we might
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  eat in the millennial kingdom, and will animals really be at peace with mankind?
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  And you've got a new book coming out.
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  But first, very interesting and encouraging headlines about Bible sales.
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  First of all, Joe Rogan recently read the entire chapter of Revelation 13 on his show,
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  the Joe Rogan experience, which has over 18 million subscribers, and he's considering
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  the possibility that we are seeing biblical prophecy unfold in our day.
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  That leads me to an article at the Wall Street Journal, Nathan, to get your take on this.
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  Examples of Bibles are booming fueled by first time buyers and new versions and publishers
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  attribute this 22% jump in Bible sales this year to rising anxiety, a search for hope
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  or just highly focused marketing campaigns.
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  But I think the search for hope and rising anxiety, particularly with the election we just
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  had and the division and some not just political, the division in our culture.
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  Your take on this and people maybe being more curious about spiritual things, the Bible,
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  the afterlife, your thoughts, Nathan.
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  Well, I think that the prayers of the saints have been answered.
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  I don't know any Christian and some non-Christians who weren't really praying about this election
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  that we've really seen not only the United States but the West slide into decadence
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  and immorality, especially sexual immorality, perversion, openly, censorship, just the insanity
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  of the last four years ever since COVID.
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  And so I think the Lord answered that.
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  He's given us, I believe, a reprieve and with a reprieve comes a spiritual awakening.
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  And we're seeing, I read another article just recently that said that wokeism is dead.
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  In other words, we tried that experiment.
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  People are tired of it.
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  It doesn't fulfill.
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  It doesn't fix anybody's problems.
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  It only makes everything worse.
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  And so the pendulum is swinging back to people's foundational Christian faith and Christian
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  beliefs.
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  And that would make sense in the wider.
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  Of course, the Bible has always been a bestseller.
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  But to see that thrive again, to see people reconnect with Jesus, that's an answer to prayer
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  brother.
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  Absolutely.
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  And by the way, we need to point out again, it wasn't just Christians or evangelical Christians
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  that voted in this past election and made a difference.
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  It was people that are just simply conservative, patriotic, independent.
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  Just Americans who saw the evil, I think, and the darkness and said, I think they've overplayed
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  their hand.
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  I don't want that kind of America.
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  But anyway, I want to get to your new book, Nathan.
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  People can pre-order this.
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  It's called the coming millennial kingdom.
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  What life will be like for us when Jesus reigns on earth.
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  And most of our audience, brother, are saying, we can't wait.
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  So go ahead and share, just why do you decided to write this book at this time?
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  Well, it actually is my doctoral dissertation.
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  And I was like, I've got all this research.
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  It would be a shame if that I couldn't bring it down out of the theological rafters and
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  make it for the common people.
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  Because this is my first book with Harvest House and Great People, Steve Miller, my editor.
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  We're in the galley proofing now.
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  So it's just been neat to go through the whole because I've self-published my last few
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  books through Laman Line Ministries.
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  And I wanted to call it originally the Forgotten Kingdom because really very few people,
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  especially Christians, know about the rule and reign of Jesus Christ for a thousand years
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  on this earth.
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  And so they're like, well, the Forgotten Kingdom sounds like a novel.
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  They picked the coming millennial kingdom, it wasn't my choice, but they're the experts.
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  And because it says what it is, it's a Forgotten Kingdom.
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  It's a kingdom that nobody realized.
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  We think that, well, Jesus will come Monday and we'll go to heaven.
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  And that's it.
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  But the Bible teaches so much more about the kingdom of Christ coming.
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  I felt it was important that people got to know about it and praise the Lord, David
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  Jeremiah recently just came out with his own book on the millennial kingdom and mine
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  will be released in June.
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  So we want to get people excited about the Lord's return.
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  That's the purpose of Laman Line Ministries to proclaim the soon return of Jesus Christ.
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  And I think this book will help people get hope and better understand their future in
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  God's kingdom.
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  And bless to say that David Reagan is writing or wrote the forward to the book.
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  So that's always good, right?
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  Nathan, I just want to read one of the opening description paragraphs over on Amazon.
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  It says God ordained human government to restrain evil and punish evil doers.
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  We, our governments have consistently failed to protect their citizens from all forms
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  of lawlessness, hunger, diseases, wars, natural disasters and human suffering.
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  Will this misery ever end?
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  Does God give us any hope for the future?
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  So you set up, I mean, clearly you can see the failures of human government and unfortunately,
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  a lot of people have experienced that firsthand.
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  Now we look to the millennial kingdom and there's got to be so much good news in this book.
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  Your thoughts before we move on to one of the topics?
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  Why would recommend if people want to get started in understandess, go to Daniel too.
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  The great prophecy that Nebuchadnezzar, the dream he had of this giant statue and this
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  stone not cut out by human hands comes smashing into that statue and obliterates it and then
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  fills the earth and the stone becomes the kingdom.
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  And that's a prophecy of the end of human government.
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  The flawed, failed, power, hungry, fallen human government is going to end and it's going
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  to be replaced by the kingdom of Christ where Jesus Christ rules and reigns on this earth
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  first for a thousand years and then on into eternity.
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  That's a prophecy that's one of the most prolific prophecies in the Bible.
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  And fortunately, a lot of people who don't really follow the 31% of the Bible that's
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  a prophecy just put that aside, but that's a thousand years of our future we're talking
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  about here.
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  And it's also the fulfillment of many prophecies that are about Jesus's victory.
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  And so of course the Lord is going to proclaim his victory throughout the Bible and that's
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  part of it is his return to defeat, fallen human government and to set up his own kingdom.
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  Yes, and isn't there a scripture somewhere in the Bible that says the government will
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  rest on his shoulders.
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  That's a very secure place for the government to be on the shoulders of Jesus, right?
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  Oh, I mean, you're not kidding.
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  Jesus said in Revelation 22, three times, behold, I am coming quickly and my reward is with
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  me to give to everyone to his work.
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  So again and again and again, Jesus said throughout the New Testament, I'm coming back, I'm
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  coming back, I'm coming back.
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  I know a lot of people have kind of given up on the idea that Jesus is coming back, but
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  the reason is is he wants everybody who's to get saved during this church era to be saved
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  and be part of the church, his spiritual bride.
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  So who knows, maybe we're talking to who's watching, we'll get saved and they're the last
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  person of the church age.
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  The Lord will come and take his church home with him and that'll be an exciting time.
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  But yeah, it's a promise that's made throughout the Bible.
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  You can go to Jeremiah 30, 11, it says, for I am with you, says the Lord to save you.
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  Do I make a full end of all nations?
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  This is a promise to Israel that the Lord is going to make an end of all the human-led
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  governments and replace them with his perfect government.
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  So you mentioned Daniel to a little bit ago, I just can't go on before we go back to
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  verse 20 and 21, I mean God's sovereignty is so clear in what's happening, I think, in
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  our world today.
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  But it says, Daniel said, let the name of God be blessed forever and ever for wisdom
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  and power belong to him.
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  It is he who changes the times and the epochs or seasons.
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  He removes kings and he establishes kings.
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  He gives wisdom to wise men and knowledge to men of understanding.
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  And Nathan, I want to stop right there and just give you an opportunity briefly to comment
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  on where we are in America with the election of a man like Donald Trump who is an imperfect
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  human being like we all are.
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  And yet somehow under God and if we are Bible believers, we trust God is in control of
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  all things.
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  Somehow this man is going to be back in power in the United States.
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  There's got to be some purposes that we are not fully aware of.
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  Would you care to speak to that in light of what we just read where God sets up kings
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  and he takes them down?
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  Well, we got to remember, we had a quite a number of people writing our ministry saying,
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  I just can't vote for Donald Trump, he's got problems and sin issues and stuff like
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  that.
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  Well, you know, there's only one perfect king and that's Jesus Christ.
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  But you know, look at Nebuchadnezzar for instance, Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Israel.
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  He destroyed Jerusalem and he exiled all the people including Daniel up to Babylon.
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  So the Jewish people knew a failed flawed king and again and again, Nebuchadnezzar had
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  tremendous ego issues and problems and yet the Lord humbled him and the Lord used him
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  and he protected the Jewish people during the exile and eventually when the Mito
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  Persian government came and took over, they allowed the Jewish people to return back
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  to their land.
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  So the Lord takes sometimes the worst people and he uses them for his good.
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  And I think that's the same case with Donald Trump.
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  Donald Trump is over the last four years, hopefully, has learned a little humbleness,
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  but the Lord used them mightily, especially with the Abramukhords, I think the next
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  four years, we're going to see a push back to the humanist and I would even say Satanist
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  communist views that people hold.
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  And we know from prophecy that after the rapture and the restrainers removed that the one
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  world government will happen and Antichrist will rise and for seven years, there'll be disaster
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  on the earth as God judges the earth.
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  They will get their moment in time.
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  But for now, we're still on the Lord's plan and David, we got to remember too that the
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  Lord said that he had created all his great plan for the ages before he even created
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  the earth.
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  And so he knows the exact times, the dates and all, they're set in stone.
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  Donald Trump, as I think a reprieve, the fact that people are reading Bibles again, that's
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  exciting too, but the Lord still works through the church and he's still bringing about
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  his kingdom and it will come all according to his plan.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And I think we need to focus as Christians on the biblical worldview when we look at
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  what's happening in our human government in America.
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  Look at the policies, look at the procedures, look at the platforms instead of a personality
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  because the media wants to make it out about personalities.
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  But we're looking at what is what more aligns with biblical views, the biblical worldview
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  and Christianity.
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  Very briefly, we have to take a break, Nathan.
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  I just want to mention, I can't move on without going to Isaiah 45.
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  God used a pagan king, Cyrus, you know, he can use anybody, he's using me.
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  He's using you, friend, if you're a witness for Christ, if you're shining a light in the
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  darkness somewhere, you're imperfect.
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  But he talks about using Cyrus, it says in verse four, for the sake of Jacob, my servant
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  and Israel, my chosen one of us, I have also called you by your name.
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  I have given you a title of honor, though you have not known me.
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  I am the Lord, and there is no other besides me, there is no God, and then it goes on.
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  But that's Isaiah 45.
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  There's so many instances in the Bible we can look to and go, wow, we can learn a lot
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  instead of being kind of self-righteous and going, I can't vote.
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  I can't get involved in political issues.
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  Nathan Jones is our guest today, Lamb and Lion Ministries, Christ in Prophecy.org.
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  So Nathan Jones is our guest today with a Christian prophecy, Lamb and Lion ministry.
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  So Nathan, before we get to an article about animals being at peace with mankind, we just
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  want to point out for those of you who are wondering what's going on with the video,
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  we can hear Nathan clearly, but just five minutes before we're going to do the podcast
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  day apparently, the internet went down in your building at Lamb and Lion ministries.
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  So just wanted to share that was for people going, what's going on?
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  So it happens.
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  This is technology, right?
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  Yes.
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  You know, you got to wonder if it's not also spiritual warfare, but yeah, five minutes
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  here.
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  The content gets out there.
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  They can understand you and we're plowing through.
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  So again, friends, I would just want to mention the book that's coming out one more time.
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  It's coming out next year.
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  The coming millennial kingdom, what life will be like for us when Jesus reigns on earth.
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  Because one of those things we wonder, what are we going to be eating?
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  And will we be vegetarians?
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  And we're going to talk about that.
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  But there's an article you have called animals will be at peace with mankind.
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  Now Nathan Romans one talks about all creation, groaning.
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  Because we are missing that perfect creation that God originally intended.
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  So go ahead and set us up and share your thoughts and we'll get into animals and mankind.
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  Okay.
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  Well, I mean, there's so much to talk about the millennial kingdom, but just know that
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  one day at the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the tribulation, He will return
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  in all His glory.
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  His saints will, that's us.
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  If you're saved, we'll return with him.
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  We'll watch Jesus alone defeat the antichrist and his armies, send him in the false prophet
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  to the lake of fire and Satan to a pit.
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  And then Jesus will rule and reign over the earth from Jerusalem for a thousand years.
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  And it'll be a thousand years of peace and righteousness and justice.
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  And I wrote that article around Thanksgiving because I was kind of thinking about food.
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  I'm like, well, you know, what is the food going to be like during the millennial kingdom?
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  So a little excerpt from my book there is bear in mind that one of the defining characteristics
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  of the kingdom of Christ is that it's a time of peace, a time of no war.
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  And so we read Isaiah 2.4 and the prophecy says they shall beat their swords into plowshares
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  and their spears in a pruning hooks nation shall not lift up sword against nation.
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  Neither shall they learn war anymore.
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  And one of my favorite verses, David, it kind of reminds me of Frodo and the Hobbit sitting
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  under a tree reading he says, but everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree.
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  And no one shall make them afraid for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.
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  You can read it again in Hosea 217 and 18.
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  Bow and sort of battle I will shatter from the earth to make them lie down in safety.
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  So here we've got this peaceful condition of the kingdom with no war.
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  But there's also a peaceful condition among the animal kingdom.
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  If you go to Isaiah 11 629, it says the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb.
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  The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together
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  and the little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze.
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  Their young one shall lie down together and the lion shall eat straw like an ox.
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  The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole and the wean child put his hand into the
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  viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain.
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  So it's a prophecy about the end of the if you go back to the Noah,
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  when Noah first stepped foot off the ark, the Lord made a covenant with him.
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  And he said, well, you know, before the flood people were vegetarians.
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  I guess it was creation scientists say that, you know, the atmosphere was different and the
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  human body was different. And because of the removal of the water canopy,
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  radiation started affecting us more. And so we had to not just eat plants,
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  but we had to eat meat in order to get the nutrients that we need to survive.
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  So the Lord knowing all things in the no way covenant allowed for people to start eating meat.
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  Now, immediately, you know, the animal kingdom, there was a fear, a great fear put on the animal
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  kingdom of mankind because we started hunting them in eating them. And then animal kind also turned
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  on each other and started eating each other. And that's the condition we've been living in since
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  the flood, but during the millennial kingdom, the animals will no longer eat each other anymore.
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  And I'd like to say, David, is because we are one of the greatest predators on the planet
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  in that peaceful condition. Maybe that means that we will no longer eat meat either.
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  Interesting, interesting thought. I like the idea of no more predator and prey.
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  You know, you think about the prey, the animals that are prey that are just always on the guard.
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  You know, they can't even drink water at peace because you know, they might, something might jump
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  out and kill them. So that's not going to even be an issue anymore. That's just, that's just
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  neat to think about the animal kingdom at peace. But as you said, also at peace with mankind.
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  Before we run out of time, I just want to get to one of my favorite verses in scripture,
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  John 2112 when Jesus said, come and have breakfast. I love breakfast. But he said in Luke 24,
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  that's not one of my favorite scriptures. I just said that, but it is in the Bible where he
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  said to them, come and have breakfast. He said, have you anything here to eat? And they gave him a
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  piece of broiled fish. He took it and ate it before them. So this is the glorified body, the
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  resurrected Jesus, eating fish. So that's interesting. So we're not necessarily going to be
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  vegetarians. Whatever you want to share on that, Nathan, I'm sure you wrote a little bit about that
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  in your new book. Yes. Well, Jesus resurrected body is the template for our resurrected bodies.
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  Therefore, we know we're going to look the same, you know, but maybe we'll do some other things
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  that the Lord did pop in a room to send up to heaven. You know, but he ate and that's encouraging.
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  So our, the Bible also talks about us eating from the tree of life to sustain us during the
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  eternal state. So because Jesus could eat meat, you know, there's a possibility. We also read
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  about how there's going to be sacrifices, animal sacrifices in the millennial temple, which there's
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  a lot of attention over why that is. But some believe it's for the purification of the priests
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  and the priesthood would eat the meat. So there's a chance that our glorified bodies obviously can
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  still eat meat in Jesus ate fish, but it also could mean that for there to be a peaceful condition,
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  there's no more killing anymore. Now, certainly after the millennial kingdom into the eternal state,
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  where the Lord has destroyed death, then obviously we're not going to be eating meat anymore because
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  we'd have to kill. But during the millennial kingdom, it's a question. So I kind of left the article
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  ambiguous because the Bible hasn't told us for sure whether we're going to go back to a vegetarian
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  state or not during the millennial kingdom, but it seems to indicate that. Yes. It's interesting.
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  We don't talk a lot about this, but it's fun to think about. I mean, and then there are those,
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  especially the man who say, oh, come on, I can't imagine not having steak. Especially with
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  a one sauce and lots of onions and mushrooms. Oh boy. That's funny. So in this article,
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  you talked about seminarian Edward Wheeler and his take on Isaiah's vision. Can you tell us a
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  little bit more about that? He took Isaiah's vision even further. He included that Isaiah was
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  prophesying the fulfillment of mankind's millennial dream of a new age when conflict would cease and
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  the world would be free from suffering and pain. So he took an allegorical or a spiritualized
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  interpretation of that scripture and said, well, that just meant to mean it's a peaceful time period.
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  So there are people that spiritualize scripture, but David, you probably like we do,
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  we go by the golden rule of interpretation. If the plain sense makes sense, look for no other
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  sense, less you end up with nonsense. So we interpret the Bible literally and I'd say if there's
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  peace between animals, then that's exactly what they'll be. Amen, brother. Amen. I know this wasn't
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  in the article, but a lot of people are hoping their pets are going to be in heaven.
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  What do you, I mean, I have a take on that, but what do you tell people about their dogs or cats?
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  And I mean, there will be animals in heaven. You know what I mean? But so animal pets don't have
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  spirits that can be saved. But I don't want to close it or completely Nathan, I want to get you
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  in trouble. Go ahead. Well, thank you. Yes. I created a teaching video on this. One of our inbox
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  series of folks can find on our christian problems, a YouTube channel. Got a lot of heat for it,
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  because a lot of people want their animals to be in heaven. But I agree with you, David.
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  The Lord breathed the breath of life. He gave humanity souls, not animal souls. He might have
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  died for the restoration of creation, but he died for our lives to be eternal, not animals. So
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  I agree in heaven and millennial kingdom. There'll be lots of animals and some of them could even be
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  our pets. But I don't believe that the Lord is going to resurrect our pets. And frankly,
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  why just our pets? You know, wouldn't be every plankton and protozoan that he ever made,
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  wouldn't make sense or would we take care of our pets forever? You know, these are the questions
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  people don't ask or frankly, my wife had two paracates that I'm pretty sure going to hell.
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  So what about pets going to hell? You know, there's a lot of theological questions involved in
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  this, but I agree with you. And people, even Dr. David Reagan, you know, great our founder believes
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  that pets go to heaven. And I think that's where a lot of Christians let their heart lead before
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  their theology. That's funny. That's so funny. I mean, it's interesting to think about, but I mean,
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  we've got to come back to who did Jesus die for why did Jesus die for to redeem us from the sin
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  curse from sin. Now animals don't sin. Anyway, there's so many things to think about. I mean,
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  I've had dogs on my life. And I would love to be in heaven with them. But I'm thinking, I can't
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  imagine anything better than being with Jesus. And as we were just talking about being at peace with
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  no wars, no conflict, no pain, no tears, no mourning, wrap us up here in the last minute or a minute
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  and a half, Nathan Jones. Jesus Christ is coming to set up his kingdom on us. Or this is a given.
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  And he said that the time period that this would happen is when Israel becomes a nation again.
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  Israel has been a nation since May of 1948. We know then that the Lord's coming is soon. He's
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  going to use the tribulation time period to bring a remnant of Israel to the salvation and to make
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  them a priestly people during the millennial kingdom. They will bring the remnant of Gentiles born
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  of the tribulation saints to see Jesus every year at the marriage. Excuse me, the feast of tabernacles.
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  And we as the glorified saints will rule and reign on Jesus over these people. So David is an amazing
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  kingdom that's accomplished so many details. We couldn't possibly cover them all here. But I look
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  forward to being in the millennial kingdom with you all to be in the millennial kingdom to be a
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  citizen of the kingdom. You must be saved. And that's great news saved to be saved by grace through
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  faith. We all get to look forward to that. Again, friends, you can pre-order the book The Coming
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  Millennial Kingdom. What life will be like for us when Jesus reigns on earth by Nathan Jones. Brother,
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  it's so good to see you and connect with you. It worked out. We got through it. So you have a
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  wonderful Christmas season. Lord willing, we'll talk to you again before the book officially is released.
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  Thank you. God bless you. All right. Thanks, Nathan. All right, friends. And God bless you. Thanks
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  for your prayers. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  You