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Week 13 News & Updates + Would You Rather | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  Baby Bang Bang bang or management fantasy hockey
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  podcast. Whoa, woo.
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  I've waited way too long for this.
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  Whoa. Oh my God, guess who's back?
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  My God is good again. I take it back.
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  I am back. Tell your friends the third too
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  much smoking about mysterious third host of anger management.
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  If you just started listening in December, I I've been around
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  since the beginning, but I was AWOL.
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  Told you guys he was real 2. Weeks.
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  I swear, everybody that did not believe us, finally we can prove
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  them wrong. Yeah.
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  We do have 1/3. Of those, this gives the believe
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  kid from Polar Express a whole new meeting, you know, yes,
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  exactly. You can finally believe again in
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  Santa and in Jake. That's it, That's it.
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  But yeah, there's a reason Josh is doing the Jingle, not me.
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  The karaoke career unfortunately did not work out.
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  Very sad, but I'm back doing doing what I'm.
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  Saying worked out. For us is podcasting with you
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  guys, given my super mainstream opinions all the time, pulling
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  off trades that nobody gets upset about and yeah, just
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  having a great time with the community so.
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  I still can't believe you guys traded from different like 13.
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  You were 13 hours ahead of him with extra information from the
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  future, and you still decide to do this trade.
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  Jackie likes texting like right before his bed, like life was
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  going to bed right in like Japan.
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  For me, it's like morning, sorry, texting, whatever.
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  We make the trade, then I go about my day and then like 10
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  hours later I got a text from being like I just woke up.
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  What the hell just happened? And I'm just like, it's the same
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  day for me. This isn't a new day.
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  Like why are you texting me like just the evening after the tray?
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  Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a spicy one.
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  We'll see. I hope it works for both sides.
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  Just just for those who don't know, I acquired Matthews and
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  Zetterling, gave Josh Celebrity and Holloway and immediately
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  Celebrity was like, haha, I took that personally, even though
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  I've been taking it personally all year and been the best
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  player of all time. So now you just got ah.
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  Anyway, whatever, let's see what happens.
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  I'm excited to have Matthews though, even though.
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  I mean, I know which face I'm more happy to see on my screen.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, So today, it's been a while
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  since I've done this. It's our Week 13 news and
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  updates episode. You can follow us on all our
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  socials was which is in the link in the podcast description.
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  I'm a little rusty bear with. Me.
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  The link to the Discord is there.
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  That is the place to be. Follow us on Spotify, Apple
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  Podcast, wherever you get your your podcast and also YouTube.
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  We are on YouTube as well, which I still love and it's still
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  exciting because I know that now I'm recording with you guys and
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  we see everyone's facial expressions.
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  No matter what the technological difficulties may be, it's still
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  it's still there. So much technological
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  difference. Yeah, I think I.
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  Think Kevin figured out? His his difficulties, which is
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  nice for me because there's been a few times over the past few
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  weeks where it's just me on this screen.
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  OK, that happened once and it was for like 3 seconds.
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  I think I popped back in before you even finish your sentence.
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  But nobody. Nobody.
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  Even before Jiggy left, there was a time where both of you
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  guys somehow like missed whatever it issue for like 5
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  seconds and it was just me on here.
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  Like what do I do with my hands? Everyone believed you put it
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  into the universe. I hear you're a Wi-Fi dying.
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  So that's. True, I am in a.
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  Sketchy. Spot for sure.
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  Yes, yes, OK, yeah, Just one more thing on that Discord, it
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  has been popping off. It's what's kept me going while
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  I was away. I didn't message much, but I've
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  been reading all the comments in there and.
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  It's just been. So much so it's yes I've been
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  lurking in the discord. It's a great place to lurk and
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  to contribute and to have all your questions answered.
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  So please hop in there, join the community.
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  It's super easy. It's just like 3 clicks or
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  something like that, so. Yeah, and I just want to say
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  that I we've had a couple people in the discord finally be like,
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  all right, guys, you guys mentioned every episode.
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  I finally bit the bullet and I'm here.
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  And then they're like super happy that they're here and
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  everything. So listen, if you're, if you're
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  hesitant and you're like, I don't really wanna put in the
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  extra effort to do all this stuff.
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  You just do extra effort one time and then you read the
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  rewards, you know? And then the rewards are endless
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  and once we get to 300 members, Kevin will do another booty
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  shake for everyone. So.
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  Just keep keep those joints. You guys miss the second one the
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  the 200. And now he doesn't have it
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  issues so the camera might not cut out right when he's doing
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  his booty shake. Yeah, there's always there.
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  There may be a small earthquake around the Southeast Canadian
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  region because one of the long. OK, alright, let's start into
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  our New Zealand. Talking about hurricanes that
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  shake the nations their core. Massive trade right here.
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  Yagor Chikov was traded to Pittsburgh for Danton Heinen, a
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  second and a third round pick. Obviously sarcasm that is not
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  that crazy, but Chanukah is a guy who was drafted in the first
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  round late first round just for a for Jakey you.
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  Know because I know he cares about that stuff.
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  He kind of had injury issues throughout his time in Columbus.
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  The coach just hates him. So he was getting fourth line
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  minutes, getting scratched left and right.
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  He's been asking for a trade for it feels like 2 years now.
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  Finally, he's getting traded to Pittsburgh.
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  I mean, right now their particle unit is pretty solid.
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  So I don't like I know Mantha is like he can easily get bumped,
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  but also if they've been successful, why would they?
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  So I don't expect him to jump onto power play one right away.
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  But if he comes in, he's gonna be top 6 for sure.
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  Even strength. I see him on second line right
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  now and if he jumps in and makes a big impact, I could see him
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  climbing up there. Obviously, this is assuming
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  Malcolm's out. You know, once Malcolm's back,
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  there's no spots that are free. But but in the meantime, it's an
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  interesting ad for sure, because Pittsburgh seems to be trying to
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  make moves to actually compete this year, even though they're
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  coming kind of falling back down to earth.
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  This was this was a surprising trait to me.
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  I feel like though amount of value they were able to get
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  back, it felt surprising given that Chinaka was like literally
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  playing the fourth line and not playing and they were able to
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  get a second and a third for him.
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  That feels honestly like a really good deal on the the
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  Columbus side and for Pittsburgh.
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  I mean, people ask me in the discord, like, are we in?
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  Does this bump up anybody on Columbus?
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  And I was just like, it's literally impossible to bump up
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  anybody, anybody on Columbus. I wasn't even on the ice half
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  the time. So it's just like status quo
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  there for Pittsburgh. However, like you said, I feel
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  like it's more like a watchlist guy.
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  Like we know that China come when he gets minutes.
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  He can be a high volume shooter, which is always nice, but it's
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  just I think it's gonna be middle 6 and power play 2 most
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  likely. And I don't know how productive
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  that is for fantasy. I'm sure he'll have some weeks
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  where he's like has that like deployment, he'll be like line
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  3, power play 2 and he'll have a week where he's scores two
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  goals, gets an assist and like has five shots.
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  But I still wouldn't pick them up at that point if a deployment
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  is like that. Yeah.
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  So it's just one of those situations that you monitored
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  the deployment. But if he ever gets top 6
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  minutes and somehow, someway gets power play 1 then obviously
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  he's going to be of interest. Yeah.
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  And I just don't think it's possible as long as Malkin is
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  out because Manta I don't think has a lock on that last spot.
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  Yeah, it's a good trade for both sides.
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  And when he has played, he's been very productive for
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  fantasy. He's not gonna get on line 1.
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  And I think that I think that without the power play one, he's
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  not someone I'm super interested in.
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  But IRL this could be one of those like, OK, an
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  underappreciated first round pick that goes to a team where
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  he has an opportunity. There could be a lot of fun
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  things for Pittsburgh in real life.
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  And like you said, it's just, it's just good for Columbus
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  because they got back something for what they were treating as
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  nothing. Yeah.
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  I wonder if this Pittsburgh is is trying to go all in this
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  year. Like if this, this just means
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  we're less likely to be like trading at the deadline to like
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  for the future, you know, if this just means it's more likely
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  they keep like the Eric Carlson's, the Rachels, the
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  Crosby's, the everybody, you know?
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  Yeah, I think it'll still, it'll still depend on how the next
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  month or so goes, because right now they're kind of in free fall
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  and like kind of falling down to earth where we expected them to
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  be. So it really depends on where
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  they are in the standings if they feel they have a shot at
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  it. Yeah, let's go to #2.
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  Alright, Sean Monahan is out with an undisclosed injury.
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  Mason Marchman taking his spot on power play one.
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  This is kind of like Mona has been dealing with an injury all
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  season, it feels like. And for some reason he just
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  keeps playing through it even though he's playing awful.
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  I wish they would just shut him down for a few weeks so that he
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  can get better and then come back and actually be a
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  contributor. But but for now, they're just
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  going to keep, you know, late scratching him when he doesn't
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  feel it and then and then playing through the injury.
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  The more interesting thing, I think is this Mason Marchment
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  getting power Play, one we already recommended.
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  There's a streamer for this week with the chance of getting Power
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  Play 1, and he kind of popped off when his start with
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  Columbus. So I think he has a point in
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  every game that he's played with Columbus so far.
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  So I'm interested in grabbing him with this deployment.
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  Yeah, I think it really sucks for for Monahan.
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  I mean, I had him on one of my rosters that I play in the
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  league with other other fantasy analysts and Monahan is one of
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  my one of my 2 centres. I have him and he sure.
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  And I think I was doing something because he took line
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  rushes and everything. And then I come back and I see
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  like I never got the Yahoo notification and I'm like, oh,
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  Monahan's out. I don't have time to move him
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  out of my out of my lineup or anything.
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  And it just goes to show like how late it was for him to
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  decide, like he's not able to play.
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  So it that kind of insinuates that like he can probably play
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  through it if you really needs to, But I'm I wouldn't be
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  surprised if he misses a few games.
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  And when he does miss a few games, he gives a huge bump up
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  to Mason Marchman, who we've already highlighted.
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  Like when you got traded, we were like, OK, let's just watch
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  list and see. He popped off right away.
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  We were like, OK, like he's getting great deployment.
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  If he's getting great deployment, he can produce and
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  now he's getting the best deployment possible, it feels
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  like. So yeah, monitor Mason Marchment
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  if you can pick them up. I'm really interested in picking
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  him up. Them for sure I picked him up
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  with a points league, but I think in a bangers league also.
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  I mean, he's been known to to have some nice hits games in the
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  past. He's got some bangers and pimps
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  too, if you're leaving those. OK.
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  Jared McCann returned from injury and bumped Ely Tolvanen
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  from power play 1. Tolvanen was actually the second
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  star of the week last week and people have been asking a lot
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  about him because he's always been a good banger.
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  But he was getting it deployment, putting up points.
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  This is kind of what I was saying with Tolvanen when people
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  were asking about him and saying like, this could be a huge
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  pickup. And I was like his spot in the
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  rock, like his spot in the lineup is just not secured at
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  all. I also don't trust Seattle's
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  offence to produce anything consistently, so this isn't
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  surprising. I'm not immediately dropping
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  Tobin or anything like that, but I think his his usefulness may
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  run dry over the next week or two with McCann back.
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  Yeah, I remember playing like NHL, what was it like 16 or 18
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  and like, you know, on Bo pro, like you're 5-6 seasons in and
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  then like they have like those random guys at the time who end
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  up being superstar. So Tolvanen was always a beast.
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  That's how I first knew about him.
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  And in real life, like I, I keep waiting for him to have that
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  break out. I'll let NHL 18 be a pro.
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  And it's just been so disappointing.
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  He has these like crazy stretches and then falls off the
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  face of the earth. Obviously the minutes are
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  encouraging but I've seen this like 2-3 times in the past two
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  years so I'm not like overhyped about this.
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  It could be cool to to ride a wall that's hot and maybe even
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  flip if you can because these are crazy banger numbers.
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  But at the end of the day, like I'm, I don't have any real
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  optimism for him towards from now until the end of the season
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  of being some elite Bangor guy that's reliable.
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  Yeah, he's just the type of guy that you stream all his heart
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  while he gets a good deployment and then as soon as the
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  deployment runs out, you cut him loose and you move on to the
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  next guy. So.
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  Yeah, I just want to point where.
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  You're moving on, going to the next guy.
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  Anyone who remembers, I think it was two or three years ago,
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  Tolvanen was a 0% owned guy who nobody knew who he was and I
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  picked him up. Because of an NHL team.
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  Sorry except for NHL team but I picked him up in our league
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  because I saw he was putting up some solid bangs and this is
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  right when he got picked up. I think it was like 2-3 years
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  ago, like after he left Nashville.
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  And the entire chat was just like every time he just like
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  keep putting up like solid stat lines and the five people in the
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  chat would just comment interesting.
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  And it was like. It kind of blew up.
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  To the point where like to this day, if you go into like the
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  Tolvanen chat, anytime he has like a solid game, people will
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  be like interesting. It just like people don't
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  remember that originated like years ago when it was like an
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  empty chat, a 0% rostered guy and it was just the meme of 12
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  and it was interesting every time he put up a good game.
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  So shout out if anyone remembers that.
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  That was a good time. The Yahoo chats are are crazy,
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  like the things that you will in there.
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  I think they had to add a lot of moderators.
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  But they did. I don't know why I go in there,
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  but sometimes the memes are worth it.
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  Well, they're for confirmation bias, and I think we get the
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  opposite every. Time that's exactly, I mean I'm
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  not gonna I'm not gonna lie like the Yahoo chats definitely
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  played a part in me trading away Matthews cause every time
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  Matthews would put up a bad game, I'd go in the chat and it
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  would be like he's the worst player in the whole world like.
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  Why am I modeling and drafting well?
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  Yeah, and I'm like, Oh my God, I gotta get this guy off my team.
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  So yeah, they definitely. Gotta trade for you.
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  Yeah, they definitely got. They amplify everything that
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  you're feeling. If you guys doing well, it feels
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  great and you guys are not, then it feels terrible.
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  So anyways, let's go on to the next one Machine Pinto returned
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  from injury and slotted into line 3 power play 2.
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  This is a he was really good to start the year.
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  He was out for awhile, obviously came back the week I'm playing
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  him, but but with this deployment, I'm not really
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  interested. Honestly, I think that he had
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  his most value right before he got injured because for some
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  reason the coach put him on power play 1.
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  And then I remember mentioning it when he got injured that the
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  coach got saved from his cell himself because he had to put
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  back the proper guys on power play 1.
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  And look at that. The party 1 immediately starts
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  popping off. For the past couple of weeks
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  I'll pintos out so he's not going to get power play 1 back
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  unless the coaches are really dumb which I wouldn't bet
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  against but but I still think it's unlikely.
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  This is this is a tough one because Pinto, we'd know himself
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  like he's a good player. Yeah, and he's shown that in the
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  past. And even with this kind of
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  deployment, he's shown that he has value in fantasy.
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  It's just that ceiling is super tablet.
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  He's playing line 3, power play 2.
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  Like I think he's the guy with line 3 power play 2 that plays
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  the most minutes in the NHL, it feels like.
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  Because if you look at this game long, he still plays like 18
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  minutes at 19 minutes a night. Sometimes you're like, how the
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  hell is he getting these minutes?
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  But we got a lot of questions in the Discord recently where like
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  Pinto's coming back. Who do I cut to activate him?
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  And then the options to cut him are like people have, you know,
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  like Zuccarello or Josh Norris. And I'm just like, I don't, I
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  think they're your worst guy is Pinto.
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  Like, I know you've been stashing him on IR this whole
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  time, but there's nobody on your roster that I'd rather cut to
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  activate Pinto. It's all guys that have like
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  line one power play 1 deployment, line 2 power play, 1
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  deployment. And if anybody's on power play
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  one, I'm not cutting them for Pinto so.
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  Read. Yeah, same.
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  But he like he's still decently productive in a face off league,
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  right? It's just about who you have to
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  cut for him, Yeah. Roster deep enough, like if
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  you're in a deep enough league where guys were not power play 1
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  and not pure bangers are rostered then I like Pinto in
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  that category of guy but I'm always going to take a power
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  play one or a pure Bangor over him.
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  Yeah, I'd rather Marchman over him.
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  And yeah, we like we got a couple of questions like that.
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  Like I just picked up Marshman, do I cut him for Pinto on
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  keeping Marshman? Yeah, that's a good one.
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  Alright, I mean there's a reason why he was a sell high early on
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  in the season. So again, hopefully people
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  listened when we told them. On to the same news of Ottawa
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  Senators Linus Omark big squishy Linus is taking a leave of
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  absence from the team Levi Marilyn and will be the starter
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  in his absence. Kevin dropped $7.00 fab on Levi
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  Merlin and he rewarded him with a terrible game.
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  So let's first of all with all Mark, I mean this is taking
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  squishy to a whole new level right?
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  The guys like, damn, I'm, I'm healthy, but I need to find a
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  way to miss some games. So no, actually, though, like
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  all hope all is well with him. You never know what these leave
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  of absence is. You don't wanna joke around too
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  much, but but yeah, these again, these types of things are so
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  open-ended on when the guy could return, right.
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  Like I was telling everyone to buy Timo Meyer when he was on
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  his leave of absence because we learned our lesson from the
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  Rasmus Dahlin leave of absence. So it's so far I haven't seen a
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  leave of absence last longer than 2-3 weeks this year.
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  Yeah. So that's kind of what I would
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  count it As for now. And you'll have to wait and see.
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  The tough thing with Hallmark, when I last checked, he's still
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  marked DNA on Yahoo and that means he cannot be stashed on IR
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  Plus until they change it. So then the question is, is he
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  droppable with this whole open-ended timeline?
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  What do you guys think? It's so tough.
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  So in one league I actually have my 2 goalies are Linus Omark and
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  Carter Hart and and I we're not. I'm not able to put Linus Omark
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  on on IR Plus. So what I did was I right now
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  what what I currently did was I cut like I had a fifth defence,
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  but I cut and I picked up Marilyn.
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  And so like last night I started Marilyn and Carter Hart, which
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  was I think combined together to let him ten goals and I had like
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  7/7/60 save percentage or something.
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  So that was amazing. Most of that was on Carter Hart,
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  which is sad, but I, I, I'm literally living the situation
• 17:24
  right now and I have to decide if like I'm just cutting all
• 17:26
  mark and how valuable is that spot to me for my roster in the
• 17:29
  in the near future? I have to wait it out to see if
• 17:31
  they're gonna change it to like give him out designations.
• 17:34
  I can put him on IR plus, but if that's not likely, I'll have
• 17:38
  some tough decisions to make. I don't wanna drop him though.
• 17:42
  Yeah, unless we unless we find out like why he's he's leave of
• 17:45
  absence is happening. Like if it's like a mental
• 17:48
  health issue or if it's like something in the family that has
• 17:50
  to like be there where you know, like Doling where he was like
• 17:53
  attending to his wife who was having surgery.
• 17:55
  And then we know like, OK, like when she's in the recovery
• 17:58
  process, maybe he'll come back. I'm more likely to hold.
• 18:00
  But if it's really like indefinite, we have no news, no
• 18:02
  nothing. I'm going to probably be leaning
• 18:04
  towards like a cut if I'm not near the top of the table.
• 18:08
  Let's see. Yeah.
• 18:10
  So do you have like a date of if there's no news you cut?
• 18:14
  No, there's no date. I'm just following the news on a
• 18:16
  daily basis and following my team.
• 18:18
  Like if my team is doing well, it buys me more time to hold him
• 18:22
  and that if my team is really struggling, then I'm gonna be
• 18:24
  like, alright, I really need this spot.
• 18:25
  I'm going to be more likely to cut at that point.
• 18:27
  Yeah, I know he's had a pretty rocky year, but does this make
• 18:31
  him like a buy in your minds? No.
• 18:33
  I think as long as there's actually no, I'm not buying.
• 18:36
  That's it, as long as he has the NA tag.
• 18:37
  Like you can't, you're not gonna buy a guy who could indefinitely
• 18:40
  be out and take up a roster spot.
• 18:42
  If he gets that IR plus stash then I'm interested in buying
• 18:45
  because I still think that he should have a solid rest of
• 18:47
  season when he gets back and I think these leave of absences
• 18:49
  are always shorter than they seem and then.
• 18:52
  Also because who you can pick up to like if I'm if there's guys
• 18:55
  like I don't wanna tell my own horse he's on my roster.
• 18:57
  But like Jake Greeves, is he if he's on your, if he's on your
• 19:00
  eye, if he's on your waivers, I can just cut all month to get
• 19:03
  jet breaths. Like I may do that.
• 19:05
  But if the best option is like Samuel Moultonboro is like now
• 19:08
  back in the NHL, I'm gonna see if I can hold.
• 19:11
  Yeah, that's what I was gonna. That's actually I was gonna say,
• 19:13
  would you, would you send, would you send all Mark for Dobesh?
• 19:18
  No, I don't want to mesh. Yeah, OK.
• 19:20
  He's not even the best right now.
• 19:22
  Yeah. OK.
• 19:23
  So you're you're keeping the upside basically if it's like
• 19:26
  guys in that territory. Would you cut them for the busy?
• 19:31
  Yeah, I was with the with the country, yeah. 1000%, yeah.
• 19:35
  Yeah, he's laughing. He's yeah, Yeah.
• 19:38
  More on that soon, yeah, and then more a bit on the Levi
• 19:42
  Mariline inside. What are your expectations for
• 19:45
  him? I mean Kevin clearly is a big
• 19:46
  fan because he dropped 7 bucks on him.
• 19:48
  But he could have put like 5 bucks or 4 bucks and I would
• 19:51
  have been, I would have been happy.
• 19:52
  So I'm not. I'm not gonna be too down on
• 19:54
  myself for doing extra $34 I spend.
• 19:56
  But yeah, I think The thing is, I was not in on comedy when he
• 20:01
  was. When he got dropped, not because
• 20:03
  I wouldn't have taken him on my team, but I really needed a
• 20:05
  goalie more so that Winnipeg was not doing the hottest, let's
• 20:10
  say. I think Ottawa was on a roll
• 20:12
  right now. So I wanted to be involved
• 20:14
  because I think my team could have used 1/3 goalie.
• 20:16
  Like I've been really going through it with the goalie
• 20:18
  stats. It feels like every week I'm
• 20:19
  losing all 5 goalie stats recently.
• 20:21
  So I would like 1/3 goalie there and then the leave of absence
• 20:24
  too. Like there's always upside with
• 20:26
  Maryland and being like if he's a starter for the rest of the
• 20:27
  season, I just picked up off of waivers, then there's upside
• 20:31
  there, right? Like with help we knew it was
• 20:33
  going to be like 4 to 5 weeks this it could be the rest of the
• 20:35
  season. So first of all, there's always
• 20:37
  upset and value there. Now, what is the quality going
• 20:39
  to be like? We believe in Maryland to be
• 20:41
  like an exceptional goalie. I don't think so.
• 20:43
  He's like been really awful this year if you look at the numbers,
• 20:46
  but that doesn't mean that with this new opportunity, he won't
• 20:49
  be able to produce with the Ottawa team that's playing
• 20:51
  better than they were in the beginning of the season.
• 20:54
  So I'm interested, but I'm tempering my expectations
• 20:56
  knowing that like the percentages may not be there,
• 20:58
  but I'm hoping that with more game time he eases into the role
• 21:02
  a little bit more. But I don't think he's I don't
• 21:05
  think he's a must pick up. I don't think he you need to
• 21:07
  break the bank to get him on your roster.
• 21:09
  And yeah, I mean, the first game was definitely not not great,
• 21:12
  so. Yeah, and they were playing a
• 21:15
  powerhouse like Columbus, so. Columbus is a good team.
• 21:19
  I've been saying they were a good team all year and they were
• 21:21
  just waiting. They were in a slump.
• 21:22
  But now we look at Marchenko, he's a beast and they got maybe
• 21:25
  some Marchment and Veronica and. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm kind of
• 21:30
  view him in like a slightly better Eric Comedy or Anton
• 21:34
  Forsberg situation where, you know, the leave of absence could
• 21:37
  be a pro and a con, right? It's a pro because like the
• 21:40
  indefinite means it could be all season.
• 21:42
  That's what you're hoping for if you're picking up Marlin.
• 21:44
  Or it could be two weeks, in which case you're like, OK, like
• 21:46
  maybe it's just a stopgap. I don't think, I think Ottawa
• 21:49
  can win games. I don't think they're gonna win
• 21:50
  low scoring games. So I don't think the percentages
• 21:52
  are gonna be good like you said. But right now he has no
• 21:55
  competition for those starts. So if your team is a goalie
• 21:57
  needy team, I'll take a shot at him.
• 21:59
  But if you're sitting comfortable with like two or
• 22:01
  three guys that you're happy with, I'm not going to rush to
• 22:03
  pick him up hoping that you know he outdoes one of your current
• 22:05
  guys. Yeah, I concur.
• 22:08
  OK, Shane Gostisbehere is out with a groin injury.
• 22:15
  Alexander Nikishin taking his spot on power play one.
• 22:18
  This is literally Shakey's worse nightmare.
• 22:23
  Rituals you keep pulling to like make this happen.
• 22:26
  This is like ridiculous. This is just like you said.
• 22:32
  For those who don't know, Nikisha was on Jake's roster
• 22:34
  like the whole year and then and then he got scratched one game
• 22:38
  and then Jackie cut him after that and then he got brought
• 22:40
  back and then Jackie treated for Gaspare.
• 22:42
  So now Gospel is hurt. Nikishin took his spot and Jake
• 22:45
  does not have much on his roster anymore.
• 22:47
  So yeah. And Jackie was a firm Nikon
• 22:49
  believer. Yeah, the only saving grace is
• 22:52
  the maybe, sort of. I told you so if Nikon keeps
• 22:56
  this and does well. Like turns back, that's it.
• 23:00
  Yeah. So I mean, I will say that
• 23:03
  whenever I was saying Nikisha's never getting power play one, it
• 23:05
  was assuming Gospel is healthy. I did think that if Gospel got
• 23:09
  injured there was a shot at it, but even then like Astrid get
• 23:12
  injured and gave it to Sean. Walker for a bit.
• 23:13
  So it's interesting to see that at this point in the season
• 23:16
  they're giving it an equation, the shot at it.
• 23:18
  But yeah, no, this sucks for Gaspare, but they haven't said
• 23:21
  it's anything. It could just be one game, you
• 23:23
  know, like they haven't yet said if it's anything longer term or
• 23:27
  anything like that. So I wouldn't overreact to this
• 23:29
  just yet. It just sucks it's A5 game week
• 23:30
  for Carolina. I was gonna say it's five game
• 23:32
  week for Carolina. And then I mean, as you're
• 23:34
  listening to this, they've already played two of them.
• 23:37
  So and the kitchen got a power play Apple.
• 23:39
  So first game with the opportunity and he he delivers
• 23:43
  on it. They want a close game against
• 23:45
  the Rangers, so I'm definitely interested.
• 23:47
  Like if he's on my waivers I'm absolutely 100% picking him up.
• 23:51
  Yeah, so this is this episode is going to be released on the
• 23:55
  31st. At that point he may actually
• 23:58
  play on the 30th cause he was a game time decision.
• 24:00
  Glasses bear on the 29th. So like it was it was close
• 24:03
  enough. I mean, if it's serious, it's
• 24:05
  usually not a game time decision when he's there.
• 24:08
  He's the guy at this point. There's no question about it.
• 24:11
  He's been really good. But the next man up should
• 24:13
  always be Nikishin. Like, there's no reason to give
• 24:17
  it to Sean Walker, who is like a really solid defensive
• 24:20
  defenseman, or Keandre Miller because he gave him the money.
• 24:23
  Like stop. Like you should actually has
• 24:25
  potential. Like, yeah, when Nikisha's got
• 24:27
  potential to be a really solid NHL defenseman.
• 24:30
  So you gotta like build that up. But I still think because of
• 24:33
  their win now nature Gossip Spear is a lock when healthy.
• 24:37
  So I'm for sure not too hot and bothered yet.
• 24:42
  It was definitely. A trade for really.
• 24:44
  Yeah, exactly. OK Corell of America of the Utah
• 24:51
  was placed on IR with an upper body injury.
• 24:53
  VTech management will be the starter while he's out.
• 24:55
  This is a type of thing where Milk is eligible to come back
• 24:59
  almost a day after this episode is released.
• 25:01
  So this the IR. Don't get scared by that.
• 25:03
  The coach said it's not a longer term thing, but if you need a
• 25:06
  spot start in the meantime, you could pick up Vanished.
• 25:09
  Uh-huh, yeah. And this was kind of like a
• 25:11
  surprise too. Like it when he got put on IR,
• 25:14
  it was like the game was about to start and they were like,
• 25:17
  actually he's not starting and we're putting him on IR.
• 25:21
  So everybody was like, what the bleep, bleep and exactly in
• 25:26
  those words. So it was definitely surprising.
• 25:29
  But I'm not I'm not dropping from Elka, especially now that
• 25:31
  you can put him on IR, you just stash him there.
• 25:33
  But we had some people ask like, do I drop the Milka for bussy or
• 25:37
  whatever? And I'm like, there's a world
• 25:39
  where busy is better, but I'm not dropping Jamaica for busy,
• 25:42
  if that makes sense. Alright, we keep mentioning.
• 25:44
  Let's just get to this next one. P order code check out.
• 25:46
  Before you go on, yeah, I'm so curious about the second bleep.
• 25:53
  Maybe my my. Knowledge just the same.
• 25:55
  The first word, but the second time too.
• 25:57
  Like bleep bleep bleep, you know?
• 25:59
  I was like, maybe my knowledge linguistics is limited.
• 26:03
  Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess the belief is in the
• 26:06
  second one for emphasis. Yeah, it's what, the bleep
• 26:09
  period and then bleep all caps with an exclamation mark.
• 26:13
  Our favorite curse word? Bleep.
• 26:14
  Yeah, OK Piotter Kochetkov is out for the season after getting
• 26:20
  surgery for a nagging issue. Brandon Bussey, you are the new
• 26:24
  starter for the Carolina Hurricanes.
• 26:28
  I mean, is there any other podcast or source that was
• 26:32
  touting the bussy as hard as we were from such an early stage in
• 26:36
  him entering the NHL this year? I think we've been talking about
• 26:39
  this guy every episode since he, you know, came in a few weeks.
• 26:43
  Ago the first game. Yeah, Jakey picked him up in our
• 26:45
  league and has held him on this whole time.
• 26:48
  Like this is just crazy because the one downside with this whole
• 26:52
  Carolina situation was the three goalies and then they kind of
• 26:55
  phased out Anderson completely because he's been awful and now
• 26:58
  check out for the season. This is and Buzzman insane.
• 27:00
  So this is kind of a a nut to pick up.
• 27:03
  If you're 0G and busy somehow not already owned in your
• 27:06
  league, you rush to pick him up. But I last I checked he was at
• 27:08
  like 56%. So there's still some leaks.
• 27:10
  We have a shot. Yeah, they, this is this is a
• 27:14
  big deal. Like a really big deal.
• 27:16
  He has won basically every game he's played this season.
• 27:21
  Like in December, he's lost one game.
• 27:25
  And. That game, he got 38 saves on 41
• 27:28
  shots. So he's been easily their best
• 27:31
  goalie all season. And this is a team that
• 27:33
  shouldn't try to win the Sound League Cup.
• 27:34
  So I don't think there's any world in which he should be
• 27:38
  owned and under 80% of leagues by like, you know, a week from
• 27:42
  now. So you should have.
• 27:44
  Carolina makes a trade for another goalie or do you think?
• 27:47
  They're I think it's. Right, that pussy.
• 27:50
  I think it's possible honestly. Like for, I mean, if if the
• 27:56
  pussy can handle the workload, then they might just roll with
• 28:00
  it. But I think they're they're they
• 28:02
  I think they think they're in a risky situation because
• 28:05
  Kochetkov is out. Anderson is not reliable to even
• 28:08
  be like in the lineup. And Bossy is still young and
• 28:10
  like, yeah, he's proven that like, he can be a good goal in
• 28:13
  the NHL this season. But are they putting their
• 28:15
  Stanley Cup hopes on pussy riding that until the end like.
• 28:21
  I will say my take on this is I think busy is an insane sell
• 28:25
  high. I think that at some point
• 28:27
  Caroline is going to make some sort of move.
• 28:29
  Even if they make a move for a more reliable, like they seem to
• 28:31
  like a tandem, you know? So I think Anderson's out of the
• 28:33
  picture right now. It's just busy.
• 28:35
  So if they make a move for even a backup guy who's going to get
• 28:38
  a third, you know, to half of the starts or 45%, like that'll
• 28:42
  bring down with these value right now.
• 28:43
  But he's the undisputed #1 he's been insane.
• 28:46
  Like Jackie mentioned. This to me is the clearest cell
• 28:48
  high Jake. You should flip him for a goalie
• 28:50
  that like you could count on for sure rest of the season.
• 28:53
  Of course, some targets. I don't know if it's pretty bad
• 28:57
  honestly but but who are some targets you guys would would
• 29:01
  sell high for for with pussy? I mean, this is this is a crazy
• 29:06
  1 and I don't wanna I don't wanna start doing it.
• 29:08
  Would you rather before, would you rather segment?
• 29:10
  But like, would you trade Bussy for Lukas Dostal, who's been
• 29:14
  awful that people are like ready to cut right now?
• 29:18
  That's really tough because this has been so bad.
• 29:21
  First of all, even if you do this, you should get Dostal like
• 29:24
  massive plus so so that for sure it would never be a one for one.
• 29:30
  I don't know. It's it's hard to it's hard to
• 29:32
  buy those style right now. I've been thinking about it.
• 29:33
  I'm like, OK, like his value cannot ever get lower, but I'm
• 29:37
  like, is it gonna get higher because he's been so bad in the
• 29:39
  last two games he played, he got pulled.
• 29:41
  He led in like 4 goals on like 8 shots in both games.
• 29:45
  I know really right now in general.
• 29:47
  Honestly, I think I'm keeping busy out of overdose style.
• 29:50
  OK. Do you think you can trade him
• 29:51
  for like Joseph Wall? I think you could do that.
• 29:56
  Would you do that? Yeah.
• 30:00
  Name either, right? Doesn't feel like you're moving
• 30:01
  up a tier, it just feels like you're in a similar tier but
• 30:04
  you're getting better performances right now.
• 30:06
  I would keep busy. You also have busy on your
• 30:10
  roster, Jackie. Yeah, that's, that's a tough
• 30:12
  one. It's not like, it's not like
• 30:13
  Toronto's like the Toronto of old, right?
• 30:15
  They're not yeah, very good this year.
• 30:17
  So. Yeah, I mean, who else are you
• 30:19
  treating for? Like maybe you can get temper
• 30:21
  right now since he's still banged up.
• 30:24
  I mean, I think that's a. That would be a huge.
• 30:26
  There'd be no brainer to me but. I don't know what to do.
• 30:29
  Yeah, that's like a huge tier between Kemper and Wall though.
• 30:32
  Right. I think that that's a tough
• 30:33
  thing. We need to find that middle
• 30:34
  ground of like a guy. I'd rather have a verbose, but
• 30:37
  use is actually attainable. And I'm trying to like, I'm
• 30:40
  trying to think of who who a guy like that would be.
• 30:43
  Like Bob? Yeah, I mean, Bob's my favorite,
• 30:46
  my favorite Bilo Target anytime he has a bad game.
• 30:49
  So I feel like he, yeah, I would definitely take Bob.
• 30:52
  Over Bob was one of images have been awful, but he's won 70% of
• 30:56
  his games recently. So it's like Florida still
• 30:57
  winning every game. Yeah, they gotta go.
• 31:00
  What? What about one of the Carolina
• 31:02
  Woods? What?
• 31:05
  Colorado or Wedge? Yes, sorry.
• 31:08
  I don't think I don't think you can get either of them.
• 31:11
  I think you Wedgwood. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:14
  I think I would take. That for sure.
• 31:16
  I don't know. I mean it's.
• 31:17
  Maybe you can get Logan Thompson.
• 31:19
  Ohe yeah, it's been really bad. That's a really good one
• 31:21
  actually. Yeah, yeah, that, that's that I
• 31:23
  would do of all the names you said that's.
• 31:26
  Probably my favorite stuff. But The thing is though, we're
• 31:28
  going, we're going on like kind of farfetched thinking here
• 31:32
  because the status quo right now is he is the guy.
• 31:36
  On that's amazing to sell him as that value.
• 31:38
  Otherwise it's. Not yeah.
• 31:39
  And he's been performing very well.
• 31:41
  So like I do it for a hella buck has also been God awful and
• 31:46
  obviously you're giving pussy plus but like.
• 31:48
  Like pussy. Plus, you know, like in some
• 31:51
  leagues, Helix's been really, really bad.
• 31:52
  Winnipeg. Yeah, surprisingly enough, last
• 31:55
  place in the NHL title. Chicago.
• 31:58
  Yeah, that's that's. Horrible.
• 32:00
  Yeah. He's never, never wrong.
• 32:02
  Just early. Yeah. 5th in the division, I
• 32:07
  think was that. Yeah.
• 32:09
  Yeah. So that was it.
• 32:11
  That's crazy. That's what I'm.
• 32:13
  Outside Saint Louis in second so well, let's wait and see what
• 32:16
  happens if we're. Yeah, they could just make the
• 32:18
  craziest swings and like half of them hit is just like, I'm a
• 32:20
  genius and don't hit. And you're just like, well, how
• 32:23
  could you even have predicted this?
• 32:26
  OK, let's let's move on. But but I do like I do like
• 32:29
  selling high pussy. But again, don't don't undersell
• 32:31
  him. But yeah, just just like please
• 32:34
  pick him up though, like that's the first thing he's rostered
• 32:37
  way too low right now. And it if they do make a trade,
• 32:40
  it's like probably not for like another month.
• 32:42
  And if he has like a month is like the starter on Carolina,
• 32:45
  then like with even if he's been doing a little less well than he
• 32:49
  has been so far this season, you'll be able to sell him for
• 32:51
  higher than you can now. So my personal take on it is
• 32:54
  he's not a buy, he's an AD and then he's like a hold.
• 32:58
  And then you could probably sell them at a higher value sooner
• 33:00
  than later. You just want to make sure that
• 33:02
  you sell before they make a trade for another goalie and
• 33:05
  that's hard to like time. That's still, it's still like a
• 33:09
  bit of a stretch that to me, like I, I totally hear you like
• 33:12
  and I think that's possible, but it's just like.
• 33:14
  I think there's no way they're going to like put like, I don't
• 33:17
  think they I think they like Buzzy and they're happy having
• 33:19
  him as their starter. I don't think there's any way
• 33:22
  they want to be one injury away from having Freddie Anderson be
• 33:24
  their starting goalie. That's where that's where I
• 33:26
  think that's where I think they need like like if pussy gets
• 33:30
  injured, Anderson, their only guy right now and Anderson is
• 33:32
  just terrible. So I think they're going to, if
• 33:34
  they trade, they can trade for someone who like, you know,
• 33:37
  we're using it, they they need a backup.
• 33:38
  Essentially, they're gonna get a Buffalo goalie, it'll be like
• 33:41
  UPL or Alex Lyon or they're gonna get like an Elvis Presley
• 33:44
  Akins, and those are gonna be the guys gonna be run the tandem
• 33:47
  for them. I think that's, yeah, feels like
• 33:49
  the most likely situation. They do go to goalie route.
• 33:51
  Like Buffalo is doing everything they can to like, ship a goalie
• 33:53
  out. Yeah, no, I think that's those
• 33:55
  are some great names. And so like those aren't
• 33:57
  necessarily gonna challenge like busy keeps saying he's playing,
• 33:59
  he's got that number one spot. It's just right now there's
• 34:02
  literally no competition. Whereas if they acquire one of
• 34:05
  these guys, then first of all. There's worried about PO.
• 34:08
  Yeah, no, that's, I mean like first of all, like these guys
• 34:10
  are like competition. If busy starts playing poorly
• 34:13
  and there's question marks like why are they acquiring A goalie?
• 34:15
  Do they not trust him? Whatever.
• 34:16
  I'll have to say. Like I think that you do want to
• 34:18
  sell high on him, but you don't have to do it immediately.
• 34:20
  You can wait a week or two while he gets like all the starts,
• 34:23
  keeps putting up wins and then you try and sell them for like a
• 34:26
  really solid guy in return. Yeah, OK.
• 34:31
  Eric Carlson is out with an illness.
• 34:33
  Chris Letang will take power, play one if he's out.
• 34:35
  Hasn't even missed a game yet. So this may be maybe nothing.
• 34:37
  It's an illness. So I wouldn't put too much stock
• 34:40
  in this. But Kris Letang is the next man
• 34:41
  up. But I think we don't have to
• 34:43
  spend too much time on that because.
• 34:46
  The thing already has like he's like one of the most valuable P2
• 34:49
  defensemen I think in the league in terms of like how much, how
• 34:52
  many points is able to dish out. Like it feels like I'm always
• 34:54
  looking at waivers and an hourly waivers are very, very like dry,
• 34:58
  let's say because of how deep it is.
• 35:00
  All the guys that are valuable are rostered and for a long time
• 35:03
  and militant just got picked up a few days ago.
• 35:04
  Yeah, but while he was available, he was always
• 35:07
  defenseman that had the highest points threshold and he's not on
• 35:09
  P1. So if he ends up getting that
• 35:12
  spot, like I'm very interested in the thing, even though his
• 35:15
  banger categories are not always there.
• 35:16
  Like I feel like he's a 1.5 across the board and feels like
• 35:20
  shots hit them blocks. So he's not elite in any of
• 35:23
  those categories, but he's still putting up points like point
• 35:25
  5.6, which for defenseman on waivers in a deep legally that's
• 35:28
  pretty good. But yeah, monitor with Eric
• 35:30
  Carlson. It's just a sickness.
• 35:32
  Not gonna have any games. OK, Boo Horvat returns from
• 35:36
  injury and returns to line. One power play, one return of
• 35:40
  the horror that everyone's excited.
• 35:42
  He's the best. Return of the Horror, but.
• 35:45
  Oh my. Gosh.
• 35:48
  Well, as I said, his name. Yeah, so again, this one like it
• 35:52
  bumps Barzel down but also makes Barsel better because he gets to
• 35:56
  play with horns on the power play and while likes to switch
• 35:59
  it up sometimes and have barrel on his wing.
• 36:01
  So I think it just makes everyone on the team better.
• 36:04
  I don't even know, like I wasn't sure who to put as him bumping
• 36:07
  off power play one because they were alternating so many
• 36:08
  different guys. So I don't think anyone really
• 36:11
  relevant got bumped off Power Play 1.
• 36:13
  And a little a little other Islanders tidbit news, like I
• 36:16
  don't know if we touched on Sorokin, but he was kind of
• 36:19
  missing some time and we saw Dave Riddick played the
• 36:22
  back-to-back on the Saturday. Sunday he played both games.
• 36:25
  You got shot out on Saturdays. Sunday he was playing really
• 36:28
  well until like the last the end of the game, he kind of
• 36:30
  collapsed, but I think it was just kind of like monitored the
• 36:34
  Sorokin situation. And I don't think he's missing
• 36:38
  much more time. So like Azure listening to this,
• 36:39
  he might already be back at practice and and being ready to
• 36:42
  suit up for the next game. But it just goes to show that
• 36:45
  like I think Riddick is kind of cementing himself as like a
• 36:48
  viable backup option. So in the future when there are
• 36:51
  back to backs and like we know he's getting one of the starts,
• 36:54
  I think in my head I'm putting more stock into like the quality
• 36:56
  of his performance that he's able to put out there.
• 36:59
  Yeah, I could see him showing up on our streamer episodes a lot
• 37:02
  over the rest of the season. Anytime we need a quality start
• 37:05
  for back-to-back. Yeah, he's been reliable for
• 37:08
  that. Like, like he's much better than
• 37:10
  a lot of other the the backup goalies, like you just put him
• 37:12
  in and he he's Josh's enemy, but.
• 37:15
  Anyway, you know, so many people there matchups last week because
• 37:18
  you know, you put them up for the Saturday Sunday, you were
• 37:20
  like, OK, I'm gonna get one start here.
• 37:22
  You're getting both. You gotta shut up and you get
• 37:23
  another high saved game. You're like this was like pick
• 37:26
  up the season. This reminds me of when people
• 37:28
  picked up Charlie Lynn grinning and week 3 on the Sunday stream
• 37:31
  and then he. Got, he said.
• 37:32
  Shut up. Yeah, against me.
• 37:34
  And I'm just like, all right. I love Charlie Lindgren 40 save
• 37:37
  put on Sunday, so yeah. Yeah.
• 37:41
  OK, Jordan Kyrou returns from injury, was put on line 2 power
• 37:45
  play 1 and then only played four shifts in the third period.
• 37:48
  Monty really does not seem to like him.
• 37:51
  He I mean, he's, he said at the end of the game, he's like, he
• 37:54
  was asked about why he was like short shifted.
• 37:56
  And he's like when he's playing his game and he's like fighting
• 37:59
  for pucks and all this stuff, He's a great player and he's
• 38:01
  like, but he just hasn't been doing that.
• 38:03
  Like, I don't think there's a bigger name out there that's a
• 38:05
  clear trade bait than Jordan Curry right now.
• 38:08
  I feel like if either of you guys wanna make a beer bet that
• 38:11
  he doesn't end up the year on Saint Louis, I'm pretty
• 38:13
  confident he's getting traded. So if any of you think he's
• 38:16
  staying, I'm willing to take a a beer bet on that.
• 38:18
  I think he's getting treated to like New Jersey or the Habs.
• 38:21
  OK, so we all think we're all pretty sure he's getting traded
• 38:24
  then. So yeah, what do you guys think
• 38:26
  in terms of like holding on to him right now?
• 38:28
  Because he's been awful, right? Like all season?
• 38:30
  Then he was injured probably people were pretty happy to just
• 38:33
  be able to stash him on IR and not have that dead roster spot
• 38:35
  for a bit. And now he's back and getting
• 38:37
  short shifted again. Do you like hold and wait out
• 38:40
  for that potential trade? Do you drop?
• 38:43
  Like what? What do you do with them?
• 38:44
  I'm willing to cook. I think this is a hard decision
• 38:47
  you have to make. And earlier in the season, I
• 38:49
  remember like for like the first week 1 to week eight, people
• 38:52
  were asking me like for permission to cut Jordan Kairu
• 38:56
  and I wasn't really giving it to them.
• 38:57
  I was just like, it's still too early.
• 38:59
  I was still it's still too early.
• 39:00
  He has the deployment like we've seen this before where, you
• 39:03
  know, we were still in the mix of like, are the Blues going to
• 39:06
  be like good or like bounce back?
• 39:08
  Now the sample size is big enough that I think the Blues
• 39:10
  are going to struggle throughout the year.
• 39:12
  I won't be surprised if they have like a month or two where
• 39:14
  they are playing like up to their level like we saw last
• 39:16
  year and all their guys become way more valuable.
• 39:19
  But at this point, like with also the trade ramifications
• 39:22
  that are potentially there for Jordan Kyrou, like if you have a
• 39:25
  meeting Marchman on waivers, like I'm cutting information
• 39:27
  Marchman and I'm just moving on like that.
• 39:30
  I know it feels crazy, but a certain point you gotta make
• 39:33
  decisions that are better for your fantasy team.
• 39:35
  And that's the type of move that I'm willing to do.
• 39:37
  Yeah, so someone in our league who's on waivers would like that
• 39:42
  you'd rather over him like Connor.
• 39:44
  Garlean, our league is. Very deep, that's what I'm
• 39:47
  saying. Like for like a very deep
• 39:48
  league. Would you rather?
• 39:50
  Would you rather? Connor Garland?
• 39:52
  It's close, but for that level of player, like Connor Garland
• 39:56
  is like line 3, power play 1. I think I just hold Cairo at
• 40:00
  that point. Yeah.
• 40:01
  But for all these other exciting guys that we've mentioned, like
• 40:04
  if there's like a Rhino Riley or Josh Norris or yeah, you know,
• 40:08
  the guys that we talked about on the waiver show that are like 20
• 40:10
  to 30% owned. I'm cutting Cairo for those guys
• 40:13
  like Marshman. I'm fortunately cutting for for
• 40:15
  him. Yep, Yep, OK Elias Patterson,
• 40:20
  the forward returns from injury and took back his spot on line
• 40:24
  one power play 1. I mean, Pederson this year, a
• 40:27
  lot of people are hoping for a bounce back.
• 40:28
  Hasn't looked like it's happening, but he is still
• 40:31
  pretty sick for back cats. He'll get you over a shot, he'll
• 40:35
  get you face off ones from the wing, he'll get you over a hit
• 40:37
  over a block from a forward. That kind of category coverage
• 40:40
  is really nice. It's just that's not what you
• 40:42
  were looking for when you drafted Peterson.
• 40:43
  You were looking for the points. So do you guys think there's any
• 40:46
  hope for a bounce back between now and the end of the season or
• 40:49
  do you think the fact they just sold off Quinn Hughes and he
• 40:51
  doesn't really have anyone to play with and he hasn't been
• 40:54
  good himself, you think he's just kind of cooked for the year
• 40:55
  points wise? I think that with, yeah, go
• 40:59
  ahead, go ahead. It's just at the end of the day
• 41:01
  with this is that you have a new team that's not really gonna be
• 41:06
  trying for much other than to get the most out of the young
• 41:09
  players. I think given the fact that they
• 41:12
  had JT Miller, Peterson and Quinn Hughes and the one like
• 41:16
  who's still on their team out of all that is Peterson means that
• 41:19
  they're they want to do everything they can to like, you
• 41:22
  know, like support him and make sure that he's there for the
• 41:25
  long haul. That being said, I don't really
• 41:27
  expect them to be a super high scoring.
• 41:30
  I would imagine they're going to want to get Boom going at some
• 41:33
  point, even though like I like I have him, don't love him,
• 41:35
  probably gonna drop him. But it's just like that's like
• 41:38
  the type of thing they're gonna, they're rebuilding team that's
• 41:40
  gonna want to get the most out of the young guys.
• 41:42
  They're young guys. And Peterson to me is is
• 41:45
  definitely not someone I want on my team so badly.
• 41:49
  I think that the points are going to stay around .75 to .8
• 41:52
  for us this season. Yeah, that's a question point
• 41:56
  8.85. But his bangers are not there.
• 41:59
  Like it's just he's really good at blocks.
• 42:00
  It feels like he's better at blocks than he is at hits and
• 42:02
  shots, which is feels counterintuitive.
• 42:05
  Obviously great for face sauce from the left wing position, but
• 42:09
  I don't, I think I'm trying to move off of a lot of these
• 42:12
  Vancouver assets. Like yeah, in a lot of leagues,
• 42:15
  Jake Debrusk just got scratched, which and he's been like one of
• 42:19
  their quote UN quote better forwards.
• 42:20
  Like you went on the street where you had like 8 power play
• 42:22
  goals in a row type of thing, you know what I mean?
• 42:24
  So the fact that he's getting scratched on a Monday, it's are
• 42:29
  they, is that because like they're gonna maybe trade him?
• 42:31
  Like I don't even know if that's in the in the car.
• 42:33
  You can trade him with that contract.
• 42:35
  Yeah, so it's just like, why are you scratching a God?
• 42:37
  You just paid a bunch of money and that like, you know, maybe
• 42:39
  he the statute is better than what's actually on the ice.
• 42:43
  But right now I feel like they need help.
• 42:44
  And do they have better guys than Jake to breast to put in
• 42:46
  their lineup? I don't know.
• 42:47
  No, honestly, like I agree I'm I'm trying to not have any
• 42:51
  Vancouver guys on my team. The only one I have on my team
• 42:52
  right now is a Vander Kane is just cause I need the penalty
• 42:54
  minutes and he's like pretty consistent with that.
• 42:56
  But really, I mean, our our league is super deep and we have
• 43:00
  I think 2 soon to be 3/5 on shaky drops, William of their
• 43:05
  power play one on waivers and I'm just not interested.
• 43:09
  So it just shows kind of like the state that team is in.
• 43:12
  I held on to Brock Besser like for way too long.
• 43:15
  It was like he was always good. It was like he was averaging 2.5
• 43:18
  shots and getting like .75 points per game and .25 power
• 43:22
  play points. I'm just like, this is
• 43:23
  definitely worth rostering the league as deep as ours where,
• 43:25
  like, this production is not on waivers.
• 43:27
  And then you just keep getting any worse and worse and worse
• 43:30
  and worse. And just like, at some point
• 43:31
  he's gonna bounce back, right? Like when you play 20 minutes
• 43:34
  tonight, I, I for sure, I mean, I kept putting stock into him
• 43:38
  because I'm like, he's played 20 minutes a night and he has this
• 43:40
  deployment. It's like it's, it's just the
• 43:42
  quality of the team is bad. But at certain point you can't
• 43:44
  be bad like that forever unless I guess you're Vancouver.
• 43:47
  So yeah, I mean, he's he was on waivers, somebody else picked
• 43:50
  him up and then somebody else just cut him.
• 43:51
  So like Debrusk is on waivers, Besters on waivers, Connor
• 43:54
  Garlands on waivers. And I feel like those are the
• 43:56
  three main wingers for Vancouver, yeah.
• 44:00
  Yeah. Yeah, no, I I don't like this
• 44:03
  team rest of season for it. It's it's just it's kind of like
• 44:06
  what the hubs were two years ago.
• 44:09
  It's like a little trying to get coffee all going to build
• 44:11
  confidence for him being on their team in two years from
• 44:14
  now. But at least we have good
• 44:15
  players. Like I feel like they've gotten
• 44:17
  nothing. Yeah, yeah, not bad.
• 44:21
  OK, last bit of news, Willie Stiles, William Nylander is
• 44:25
  day-to-day with a lower body injury, Mathias Michelle taking
• 44:27
  his spot on power play. One, since they fired the power
• 44:30
  play coach, they actually have like 2-3 power play points in
• 44:32
  the last last few games. So maybe the turnaround for all
• 44:36
  those Toronto assets is finally here.
• 44:40
  William Nylander is being being out is not going to help anyone.
• 44:43
  Yeah, and whenever the lender is out, I'm always like because I
• 44:47
  know his history with the coach and and the difference is they
• 44:50
  have and how he like he's missed games in the past for like
• 44:54
  illness and the coach has like kind of like poo pooed on him
• 44:57
  being like, I guess he's sick and he can't play or whatever
• 44:59
  being like. And then he's just like, yeah,
• 45:01
  just woke up, didn't feel good, couldn't play or whatever.
• 45:04
  So the attitude just kind of like is is irking me a little
• 45:08
  bit. I'm just I feel there's always
• 45:09
  more to the injuries with the land of this situation right
• 45:12
  now. So they're listing has lower
• 45:13
  body injury. Does that mean like, he's
• 45:16
  actually not good enough to play?
• 45:18
  I don't know. Like I don't wanna read into it
• 45:19
  too much, but like in the back of my mind I'm just like, this
• 45:21
  could be worse than I think. Yeah.
• 45:26
  Yeah, I as someone who just bought Matthews, I'm hoping for
• 45:31
  somewhat of a turn around. And like if you look at the
• 45:33
  Atlantic Division, they're standings, the beliefs are still
• 45:38
  like they're last in the Atlantic and there's still a
• 45:41
  winning team. So the Atlantic is like really,
• 45:43
  really, you know, all the teams are, have been pretty good.
• 45:47
  The the difference between Detroit and 1st place and the
• 45:49
  lease and last place are are 9 points and the Leafs have two
• 45:52
  less games now. I don't believe in them.
• 45:54
  I have made that clear about the beginning of the year.
• 45:56
  I think they're going to be like a fringe to outside of playoff
• 45:58
  team, but like they're still gonna try and they're they're
• 46:02
  not, they're not like Vancouver who's just like, oh, like let's
• 46:04
  get the young guys going. Like they're still gonna be a
• 46:06
  team that has offensive output. That being said that the centre
• 46:10
  around this team is just build on Matthews.
• 46:12
  Like you have to get Matthews going.
• 46:14
  That's why we have some breaking news.
• 46:16
  Yes. On this topic for Toronto, OK,
• 46:20
  Elliott Friedman just tweeted ohgod.
• 46:23
  Several of the HL Marleys were told not to travel to Cleveland
• 46:27
  for their game today, meaning that the Toronto Maple Leafs
• 46:31
  will have to use them. So they're saying they don't
• 46:34
  know what the lineup is going to look like because they have some
• 46:36
  new injuries that have yet to be announced.
• 46:38
  But it looks like Brandon Tanev, a Christina, sorry, is going to
• 46:43
  be injured and might miss a lot of time due to a new injury
• 46:50
  cause he's been banged up the whole year.
• 46:52
  And they're also saying Matthews will see it's related to a block
• 46:55
  shot that he took Sunday. Amount.
• 47:00
  Amount. Alright.
• 47:00
  No, no. Confirmation or anything like
• 47:02
  listen by the time you're listening to this episode,
• 47:04
  you'll have views on what happened to Matthews, if
• 47:07
  anything even did happen. But this was a tweet that
• 47:09
  literally just came out as a recording this so.
• 47:11
  It's crazy. Congrats, Josh.
• 47:13
  Another. Celebrity could like he took a
• 47:16
  shot to the face last night and and missed a few shifts.
• 47:19
  So you know, yeah, shifts. Then he came back and put up
• 47:23
  three points. Oh my God.
• 47:26
  Wow. Actually, I'll buy low on
• 47:30
  Matthews right this is. This is horse bleep bleep,
• 47:34
  honestly. OK, we don't even know if he's
• 47:37
  missing a game, Kevin, just rolling you up on the episode.
• 47:41
  They literally just happens. I thought we're talking about
• 47:43
  the Toronto Maple Leafs and yeah, so like, OK, it's
• 47:45
  relevant. OK, let's go into the Would you
• 47:47
  rather before before Jakey loses his mind.
• 47:51
  Business why right Why do I do this?
• 47:53
  Not the podcast. Podcast is great.
• 47:55
  Why do I? Do I mean, let's see you
• 47:57
  Matthews is squishy. We knew he had injury things and
• 48:00
  we know he blocked a lot of shots.
• 48:02
  God, disaster. The risk is always there.
• 48:05
  But alas, let's hope it's nothing serious and everybody
• 48:08
  that has Matthews on their fantasy team can sleep.
• 48:10
  Yeah, sounds at night, but I don't know if that's in the near
• 48:12
  future. So, OK, let's get into the.
• 48:15
  Would you rather segment the segment that everybody's been
• 48:18
  waiting for? OK, alright.
• 48:23
  Happy about like like for you. I don't want that for your team,
• 48:26
  but I am a certified Matthews hater so.
• 48:29
  Ohhh. You're Matthews lover, Josh.
• 48:31
  I feel like every time you won the league had Matthews on your
• 48:33
  roster. Yeah, but after this?
• 48:35
  You did this trade that was totally.
• 48:37
  Weird. Stop you, I thought.
• 48:41
  Well, he was on my team at some point in the year, so it still
• 48:44
  counts. Ohloff.
• 48:47
  Anyways, getting into the would you rathers Yes, for those that
• 48:49
  are new here we have JTR third co-host who if you're new from
• 48:54
  the last two weeks, I try to split the difference between
• 48:57
  Jackie and Josh. So we go through 5 would you
• 48:59
  rathers. I pick one left wing, right
• 49:01
  wing, centre defenseman, goalie and I try to get them both to
• 49:05
  pick one guy on each side. So trying to find the line.
• 49:08
  It's really good to find rest of season value kind of where we
• 49:10
  rank you guys and try to go over some really not Hot Topic
• 49:14
  players, but guys that are kind of like being talked about a
• 49:17
  little bit more recently. So yeah, let's get hot topics
• 49:20
  for the Hot Topic episode. Exactly the famous Hot Topic
• 49:23
  episode that Josh cooks up. So listen, if you looking
• 49:26
  forward to that, you'll have to listen again.
• 49:27
  But for today, we got the woody rathers.
• 49:30
  Let's start with the centre position.
• 49:32
  OK? I feel like this one, it could
• 49:35
  be tight or it could not be tight.
• 49:37
  So those are the two options yes, but would you rather Braden
• 49:41
  point rest of season who the biggest buy low for felt like 2
• 49:45
  months or recently healthy bowl Horvat rest of season?
• 49:51
  Wow. That's like if you looking at
• 49:54
  this, it's just like no brainer like all obviously Brayden
• 49:56
  point, right, but like definitely hasn't been all the
• 49:59
  Brayden point throughout the whole year.
• 50:00
  And I think Horvat has been putting on a clinic this season.
• 50:03
  So what do you guys think? Yeah.
• 50:07
  You can OK. So we we normally, we normally
• 50:11
  assess these without face offs being a factor, right?
• 50:14
  Yeah, without face offs. I mean that could be we can also
• 50:17
  be like but when face offs included my opinion changes or
• 50:20
  stay the same or whatnot. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:23
  So starting off without faceoffs, I, I really, I, I
• 50:31
  think I gotta go point only because I'm so confident in
• 50:35
  throughout the year. Tampa is going to be an elite
• 50:37
  goal scoring team. He's, you know, any, anybody who
• 50:40
  has exposure to, to Kucherov is, is just, it's like unfair, like
• 50:45
  he's so good. It's, it's the same thing.
• 50:47
  Like it's better than playing with any player in the league
• 50:50
  except for McKinnon I would say. Yeah, but point has been the
• 50:54
  whole season when he was really bad.
• 50:57
  He had some issues and yes, Josh McDavid, of course, but like he
• 51:01
  doesn't bring out the guys consistently year over year the
• 51:03
  best and then the way control does does that's that's one
• 51:07
  thing. But yeah, it's what?
• 51:11
  Whose team is put your all? On mine why?
• 51:13
  OK, I think this was. Check your phone.
• 51:22
  You instantly said. This like all games until he
• 51:25
  actually sends me back celebrating God anyways.
• 51:29
  Alright, yeah, so so just because I hate this so because
• 51:36
  he he's there with coach, I'm just gonna go point on the no
• 51:40
  face offs and then with the faceoffs like This is why this
• 51:42
  is so good, because that could actually be a factor.
• 51:46
  It it's like it's like neck and neck.
• 51:48
  It's it's like 50.1 to 49 nine. But I think, I think I'm still
• 51:52
  gonna have to go point only because I'm confident in him.
• 51:55
  Actually know what? No.
• 51:57
  Have you looked at the stats over like the season, the last
• 51:59
  couple weeks, last month? I have.
• 52:02
  It's just that point, like we know points like year after year
• 52:05
  has been amazing, but like on the season, obviously it's a
• 52:07
  whole different story. I mean, he was awful, awful.
• 52:09
  That's why he was a bylaw for so long.
• 52:12
  But yeah, like if I have Horvat right now on my team and I need
• 52:16
  like points, which is the case for when you're like, that's the
• 52:20
  most valuable thing to get, I'm probably gonna go point.
• 52:25
  Yeah, how about? You I this is a really tough one
• 52:28
  because I drafted horseback this year in the in the ninth round
• 52:31
  and I, he was amazing for me and then I flipped him in a package
• 52:35
  for for Kucherov. So I only have good things to
• 52:38
  say about bow Horvat. So it's interesting because
• 52:42
  every single non points category is a massive win for Horvat,
• 52:46
  right shots, huge win for Horvat.
• 52:48
  Faceoff wins. If you count that huge win hits
• 52:50
  is pretty negligible. Blocks Horvitz been randomly
• 52:52
  blocking in the past month. So I'll give him he has a big
• 52:54
  edge there. But you know, it probably end up
• 52:56
  being, let's say, negligible. But in any sense of the word
• 52:59
  Pimms, you know, you give that to Horvat, like literally every
• 53:02
  single category outside of points goes to Horvat.
• 53:04
  Then we get into the points, which is the big crux of the
• 53:06
  matter. And over the season, Horvath had
• 53:09
  many more points than point. But over the past month, Point
• 53:12
  has. It's so annoying.
• 53:14
  Points of point and say the same so many times.
• 53:17
  But points had a lot more points in the past month.
• 53:20
  He started turning around since he came back from injury and
• 53:22
  Horvat definitely slowed down a bit, although he was also
• 53:24
  injured for a bit. So rest of season I think point
• 53:27
  is going to get more points. Then you look at power play
• 53:30
  points and Horvath spent a lot better than point even since
• 53:34
  points resurgence quote UN quote in the past few weeks.
• 53:38
  His powerful must have been awful.
• 53:40
  But we know temp is one of the best power plays.
• 53:41
  So that means one of two things. Either means point is no longer
• 53:45
  a key part of that power play. Like hell he's on it, you know,
• 53:48
  but there's some players are on the power play and then they
• 53:49
  just don't ever touch the puck or it just means that he has a
• 53:52
  lot of room for positive regression.
• 53:54
  I don't think they suddenly faced point out of being
• 53:56
  irrelevant power play guy on that team.
• 53:59
  So I would point to positive regression.
• 54:01
  All of that to say, I think that point will have a lot more
• 54:06
  points in power play points than Horvat rest this season.
• 54:09
  And for that reason I got to go point.
• 54:10
  But I think that if you're looking for a more well-rounded
• 54:13
  player and you're looking for a safer floor, I would go with
• 54:16
  Horvat. So overall point though, yeah,
• 54:21
  there's a lot of weird stuff that has a lot of words, yes.
• 54:23
  That was a lot of words. Hopefully everybody was able to
• 54:25
  cash out with the with the Wi-Fi cutting in and out.
• 54:27
  But but either way, I think it really raises the question on do
• 54:32
  you think you could trade Harbor Point right now?
• 54:36
  Do you think do you think an owner would want would want to
• 54:38
  do that? It's just taking the reasons
• 54:41
  that this is the one point of the season where that wouldn't
• 54:44
  be a slam dunk for the point owner like any other time in the
• 54:47
  season and the point guy would have been laughing and be like,
• 54:49
  yeah, I'll take Corvette easily right now.
• 54:51
  Orvetta slowed down a bit and point us heated up.
• 54:53
  So I don't know if that gets done people.
• 54:55
  If someone's been holding on to point all year and he finally
• 54:57
  starts doing well, they I doubt they're like, OK, now I'm going
• 55:00
  to get him off my team Now they're gonna be like, I held
• 55:02
  him all year while he was terrible because I didn't want
• 55:04
  to give up the value of what I knew he could do.
• 55:06
  So now that he's doing it then, but you never know, it's worth a
• 55:09
  shot. You can point out season
• 55:10
  averages and be like, look how much better horror that is.
• 55:12
  And people might I believe it. If you're in a faceoff wins
• 55:15
  league though, I think I am leaning Horvat though because
• 55:18
  the gap there is not just like it's not like two or three phase
• 55:21
  off wins, it's like 5 to 7 face off wins.
• 55:25
  So. And I do think like maybe rest
• 55:27
  of season Brayden Point is like a 1.1 points per game type of
• 55:30
  player and like .35 power play points.
• 55:33
  But maybe Horvat is like a .9 points per game player and like
• 55:37
  .3 power play points. So like that's kind of doing the
• 55:41
  whole year it's been hovering around .3 and slightly higher
• 55:43
  than that. So maybe the gap there is not as
• 55:46
  big that I'm taking the win in all the other categories plus
• 55:50
  the massive winning faceoff wins to to kind of like edge me
• 55:54
  there. Yeah, now you know what?
• 55:56
  I'm actually, I'm searching the Corvette also because I just
• 55:58
  think that like I do think points gonna get more points,
• 56:00
  but I think the difference is not gonna be enough to make up
• 56:03
  for all the back hats. Yeah, and listen, like he's been
• 56:06
  on a hot streak the last few weeks, but there's nothing to
• 56:08
  say that like, you know, we've seen hobbies really good for
• 56:12
  three months at this point, so. Yeah, alright.
• 56:16
  Next one, still sticking point, but you guys are making
• 56:18
  compelling. God, well, it's so hard not to
• 56:23
  say the word .1. Yeah.
• 56:27
  I'm gonna say this next one and you guys are gonna be like, Oh
• 56:30
  my God, classic Kevin. OK.
• 56:32
  Well, yeah, Josh Norris versus Connor McDavid.
• 56:36
  I mean, I want something close. Your doctor, The viewers.
• 56:40
  By the way, Kevin is implying that Norris is so further above
• 56:42
  McDavid that it's not even close.
• 56:44
  Let's look at the numbers. Kidding, obviously, but I think
• 56:49
  McDavid has more points in one game than like Josh Norris and
• 56:52
  like the last three years. That's why I wanna feels like at
• 56:54
  this, at this. Point to make David has more
• 56:56
  points in this year than games Norris is probably gonna play
• 56:59
  for the rest of his career. I would be your best.
• 57:03
  That would be even gets. More points than jars Doris has
• 57:06
  games played. I mean that's that feels like an
• 57:08
  easy that maybe double the amount of meetings that Josh
• 57:12
  Norris will play. That might be actually a
• 57:15
  conversation. But the but no, but this one it
• 57:18
  could be. Maybe it's closer in my head
• 57:20
  than it actually is on paper. Maybe for you guys it's just
• 57:22
  like a slam dunk one way that I think you guys are leaning.
• 57:25
  But would you rather rest of season, rest of season guys,
• 57:29
  Pavel Dorothea V or Brandon Hagel?
• 57:33
  Oh my God. Kevin, you're no, it's just a
• 57:37
  note. I am the owner and Jake is the
• 57:40
  Brandon Hagel owner. OK, so first of all I still
• 57:47
  think that produces ends the season with more points than
• 57:50
  Doro Fav. Jackie, we've gotten so many
• 57:52
  questions where people being like, can I cut produce like?
• 57:56
  Really. Cute.
• 57:57
  Yes, people ask permission if they can cut produce.
• 58:00
  Was the most recent one in the past 123456 games where he's got
• 58:07
  eight games. Eight points in the last four
• 58:09
  games. It was probably before that,
• 58:12
  but. Yes, I would, I would watch the
• 58:14
  case Yeah, I I would I would assume that is before that.
• 58:20
  So yeah, I still. Power play points though, but
• 58:22
  yes. This is a clear Hagel to me.
• 58:26
  I know Dora Phev, he's got the shots, he's got the power play
• 58:31
  exposure. But to me, like Hagel has the
• 58:34
  elite pedigree of being a 90 point guy and it's it's like it
• 58:38
  looks bad recently, but a huge portion of that was that he was
• 58:42
  injured and then he came back and played over 20 minutes a
• 58:44
  night. Now this kind of ties into the
• 58:46
  previous one. So it's good that you put the
• 58:48
  bolts back-to-back in this because if points is playing
• 58:51
  with if it is point Hagel, kooch, wow, flying.
• 58:55
  But right now, it's the bane of my existence.
• 59:01
  Yeah, but what's the point? Was hurt Hagel played with Cooch
• 59:06
  that. I don't think there's any set
• 59:08
  lines for that top 6. I think Hagel could bump on and
• 59:10
  off of being on the same line as control for us this season.
• 59:12
  You think that could happen? I don't think there's any set
• 59:15
  lines, I think. I think it's gonna happen like
• 59:17
  some games will be with control of other games.
• 59:18
  You won't. It's gonna be back and forth.
• 59:20
  Yeah, no, to me, this is, this is a clear, this is a clear
• 59:24
  Hagel. I think he's gonna have the
• 59:25
  points difference is gonna be substantial.
• 59:28
  Yeah, the way I see it is that points are gonna go to Hagel.
• 59:33
  Shots are pretty equal. Everything else is pretty
• 59:36
  negligible. Shorties, if your league counts,
• 59:38
  that goes to Hagel. And then power play points to a
• 59:40
  huge win for Dora Phev. But I think the points
• 59:43
  difference is going to be enough that you still prefer to have
• 59:45
  Hagel. I think that people, you know,
• 59:48
  if you didn't have Dora Phev for, you know, if you just
• 59:52
  picked him up, then you won't remember the past month where
• 59:54
  people are like, can I drop Dorff because he's been so bad?
• 59:57
  So, you know, it's all fun and games when he's on the up and
• 1:00:00
  up, but he's too inconsistent to just crown him the victory
• 1:00:04
  against the guy who did what Hagel did last year and gets
• 1:00:07
  exposure to Kucherov and that Bolts team.
• 1:00:09
  So I do like, you know, the idea of here where you have a guy who
• 1:00:14
  is clearly the better player in Hagel, but you have Dorfen V who
• 1:00:17
  has such a massive power play points advantage over him.
• 1:00:20
  So you're like, is that enough to counteract it?
• 1:00:22
  I don't think it is, but it's definitely an interesting.
• 1:00:25
  One, what do you think is realistically the numbers going
• 1:00:27
  forward? I think Hagel can be 1 to 1.1
• 1:00:30
  points per game. I think Dorsey's gonna be Max .8
• 1:00:33
  points per game, and I think almost all those points are
• 1:00:35
  gonna be PowerPoints. He's so door frame on the season
• 1:00:39
  and we know how bad he was for like a month and 1/2 right And
• 1:00:42
  then we also. Know how to know how good he was
• 1:00:44
  at the start of the season. For sure, but on the season he's
• 1:00:47
  averaging .4 power which feels power play points which feels
• 1:00:51
  like a safe floor for where we see is power play points are
• 1:00:54
  going to hover for rest of season I think.
• 1:00:56
  I would never steal him for as a floor.
• 1:00:57
  I think that's a ceiling. I mean he's averaging over the
• 1:01:00
  month. He's averaging like close to .5.
• 1:01:03
  So like if you told me he's gonna finish the season .4, I'll
• 1:01:05
  be like yeah, that's realistic. If you tell me his floor is .4,
• 1:01:08
  I'm like no way. Because the at the end of the
• 1:01:10
  season McDavid and Draisaitl end at like .5.
• 1:01:13
  If you think Dorff is getting close to as many points as those
• 1:01:15
  guys, then I don't agree. Fair.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah, no. So we know, we know Hagel
• 1:01:20
  though, is gonna be around .1 power play points, which is
• 1:01:23
  basically nothing because it's on that power play 1.
• 1:01:26
  Any number will be a sad, sad for all of us.
• 1:01:28
  Like he was my signature pick for that reason.
• 1:01:30
  I thought he was they were finally gonna wake up and be
• 1:01:32
  like, alright, let's just put our best players apart.
• 1:01:34
  They one. But no matter how many injured
• 1:01:36
  guys happen, he just never gets it.
• 1:01:38
  But yeah, I think, I think the points, I think the power play
• 1:01:40
  points difference is gonna be .3 between the two of them, .2,
• 1:01:43
  maybe .25. And then I think the points
• 1:01:46
  difference is probably going to be that same gap.
• 1:01:50
  It feels like .25 point 3. So it's like, do you value the
• 1:01:53
  extra points or do you value the power play points?
• 1:01:56
  And I think, I mean with how my team and how I'm trying to
• 1:02:01
  construct my team, I really think I wanna take the power
• 1:02:03
  play points. Like I know I know point is
• 1:02:06
  gonna get .3 points more but but that extra one or two power play
• 1:02:10
  points on any given week actually makes a difference so.
• 1:02:13
  I mean it. Depends.
• 1:02:14
  Also the shorts are negligible. If anything, I give the editor
• 1:02:16
  of. Not they're negligible.
• 1:02:18
  I wouldn't give an. Edge eligible but it's like
• 1:02:20
  they're both gonna be around 3. In our league you gotta give the
• 1:02:23
  edge to haggle because we have goals, assists and points as
• 1:02:26
  categories and power play points right?
• 1:02:28
  But every every point is 2 categories.
• 1:02:33
  Now you're gonna say that every powerful point is also two
• 1:02:35
  categories, but like, he's gonna have fewer of those overall.
• 1:02:39
  So I just think that at the other day, like, the number of
• 1:02:42
  points is more important than the number of points.
• 1:02:44
  But again, some people have league settings where points are
• 1:02:46
  worth a ridiculous amount, right?
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. So that makes a difference.
• 1:02:50
  But in our league and just in general, I'm more comfortable
• 1:02:53
  having Hagel because also, like we said a month ago, Dorff was a
• 1:02:56
  drop, right? He was putting up straight
• 1:02:59
  zeros. So I don't think it's out of
• 1:03:00
  the. I just think he's going to be
• 1:03:01
  inconsistent. There's going to have times
• 1:03:03
  where he's like the best player on your team.
• 1:03:04
  He'll definitely have certain stretches of weeks where he's
• 1:03:07
  better than Hagel, but on the long run, weather of Hagel.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah. And also, like, there will be
• 1:03:13
  weeks where he will help you when you power play points.
• 1:03:16
  There's no doubt about it. At the same time, there are
• 1:03:19
  weeks that Hagel is gonna help you win shorthanded points.
• 1:03:22
  And points is a category that you're obviously like.
• 1:03:25
  Hegel is elite at it, but mostly do not play with shorthand
• 1:03:28
  points. I know, but it's like Dora's
• 1:03:31
  points come in waves, power play points.
• 1:03:33
  Like there was a time where he was absolutely like he wasn't
• 1:03:36
  ownable. Almost like you felt horrible
• 1:03:39
  about. Having him on your team, is that
• 1:03:40
  like when you're entire production relies on the power
• 1:03:43
  play, which is pretty much what Jeff does, then you have some
• 1:03:47
  games where your team just doesn't draw many power plays,
• 1:03:48
  right? You have some games where you
• 1:03:49
  play against the number one penalty kill in the league.
• 1:03:51
  You know, like there's just games where you're essentially
• 1:03:54
  guaranteed not getting any. Points, but I think those are
• 1:03:56
  also undermining how how much of a jump he can take from last
• 1:04:00
  season 2. And I'm not just saying just
• 1:04:01
  because of what he did. I mean, I like on my roster if
• 1:04:05
  he wasn't on last year. I know is there like like I
• 1:04:09
  don't remember, but it was. 17 yeah, you know how many points
• 1:04:13
  he has this year? 20 I don't know. 15.
• 1:04:18
  OK. And we're not even a half the
• 1:04:20
  halfway through the season yet. He's already basically made the
• 1:04:22
  same amount of public once he had last year.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, no, I'm very high on on Dorff.
• 1:04:26
  I just think you're aiming too high with Hagel.
• 1:04:29
  Yeah, there's a reason he's a good.
• 1:04:31
  Player, but I'm also putting myself in the shoes of like, OK,
• 1:04:33
  if I have him on, like I'm looking at our league of record.
• 1:04:36
  I have thought of he has Hagel when I'm making the numbers
• 1:04:40
  against it, like I do not want to take that power play points
• 1:04:42
  Li just don't like I can I feel like if I wanna.
• 1:04:46
  Make a point W so it's you know, it's just how your team is
• 1:04:49
  constructed. It's appoints W, but I feel like
• 1:04:52
  I can stream the points. Like I can just cut my worst
• 1:04:54
  defenseman and pick up a guy that's .3.
• 1:04:56
  Better that instead of getting .1 I can get .4.
• 1:04:59
  And I bridged that gap on the aggregate, whereas who am I
• 1:05:02
  cutting to get .3 power play points more?
• 1:05:05
  There's nobody. I mean all these guys that we
• 1:05:08
  were talking about, like the Vancouver guys who suck they all
• 1:05:10
  average like .25 power play points.
• 1:05:12
  You can pick anymore then I mean they they should over the season
• 1:05:15
  .2 to .25 like it's you can stream anything that you need to
• 1:05:19
  if you stream correctly. I think that look, I think
• 1:05:22
  you're a bit biased. You have he's been hot sure.
• 1:05:24
  I think if you if you ask the same question a few weeks ago,
• 1:05:27
  you would have you know, would been laughing.
• 1:05:28
  You're like, obviously take anyone over Dora Fev.
• 1:05:30
  So. All I say like we're all high on
• 1:05:33
  him, like I would have bought on.
• 1:05:34
  I tried to buy low on him, but you you scooped it out of me
• 1:05:36
  ahead of ahead of me. But but it's just, I think he's
• 1:05:39
  aiming too high. Friend that's having the
• 1:05:42
  conversation. Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Alright, let's go to #3 another guy on my team.
• 1:05:47
  I kind of went hard on this, but would you rather rest of season
• 1:05:51
  Sam Reinhart, the GOAT, the best player in the NHL, the best
• 1:05:55
  trait of ever pulled off or Jason Roberts in rest of season?
• 1:05:59
  That's a good one. Yep.
• 1:06:02
  Cause Robertson slowed down and Reinhardt just heating up,
• 1:06:05
  you've got Matthew. Kitchen Matthew could Chuck has
• 1:06:07
  yet to come back. Yeah, so like, obviously people
• 1:06:09
  are just assuming that that's gonna make him better.
• 1:06:12
  Can't make him worse for me. I'm going I'm going Reinhardt.
• 1:06:17
  I think that earlier in the season Reinhart was crazy
• 1:06:20
  underperforming and Robertson was crazy overperforming.
• 1:06:23
  I think both of them are kind of getting back to where you would
• 1:06:25
  expect them to be. I think rest of season points
• 1:06:29
  are probably going to be comparable.
• 1:06:30
  I don't think that's going to be this gap that has been the past
• 1:06:32
  month where Reinhardt is getting three points every game and
• 1:06:35
  Robertson's like under a point per game.
• 1:06:36
  But but I think it's any comparable enough.
• 1:06:39
  But Reinhart has the edge somehow Reinhardt better at
• 1:06:42
  power play points than than Robertson, which is not because
• 1:06:45
  Dallas power play has been insane.
• 1:06:47
  Shorties is a big one if your league counts that obviously and
• 1:06:50
  then shots. Robertson has the edge.
• 1:06:52
  But I just I trust Reinhart's points and power play points
• 1:06:54
  for. Yeah, I I think like Josh said,
• 1:06:59
  the only thing that Robertson, I would say confidently is gonna
• 1:07:02
  be better at is shots that the power play could be equal and
• 1:07:08
  then the rest I'm giving the edge drawing art like across the
• 1:07:11
  board. So here's.
• 1:07:12
  One way or shorties is a big thing though.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, I mean that makes. I'm taking away the shortage,
• 1:07:17
  though, when you're actually evaluating like I I think if you
• 1:07:21
  if we're counting shorties, that's for for sure Reinhart,
• 1:07:23
  because given everything else is so close, but take 40 out of the
• 1:07:26
  equation, what do you Because to me it's like, OK, what do you
• 1:07:29
  expect Jason Robertson to average rest of season?
• 1:07:31
  Like at a certain point he was like 2 points per game.
• 1:07:33
  Josh flipped him for who was it that you have so many first
• 1:07:36
  round? Forget who you did for for what
• 1:07:40
  is Matt there There you go. Who's now hurt so an object his
• 1:07:44
  team. But, but no, we, we, I think we
• 1:07:48
  kind of said that our consensus is that Jason Robertson, we can
• 1:07:51
  see him averaging like 1.1 points for your rest of season.
• 1:07:53
  Like that's, that's kind of where his final numbers are
• 1:07:55
  going to be. He was so hot, hot to start the
• 1:07:58
  year that maybe he's a point 8.9 through stretches that it
• 1:08:01
  averages out to 1.1. He's going to get like three
• 1:08:04
  shots a game, which is great. Like far cry from like the five
• 1:08:07
  he was averaging. At a certain point.
• 1:08:08
  We told you guys to sell high on the power play points.
• 1:08:11
  Probably around .4, probably around 3.35.
• 1:08:14
  I think Reinhart's gonna be in the same ballpark.
• 1:08:16
  But where do you expect Reinhardt points to, like, to
• 1:08:19
  end that? And that's the big question.
• 1:08:21
  Like you think it's more than 1.1?
• 1:08:22
  Because I feel like that's the crux of it, like.
• 1:08:25
  It's the cherry on top for me, the shorthanded points.
• 1:08:27
  But realistically, Reinhart to me is just going to be better
• 1:08:29
  across the board. I mean, the shots are nice, but
• 1:08:33
  I just like, I think Reinhart is just an amazing player With the
• 1:08:37
  Chuck coming back, it's only gonna make him better as I'm
• 1:08:39
  gonna take away from it. Not to mention the fact that,
• 1:08:42
  like I was speaking to Josh about this because he was
• 1:08:46
  thinking about a Florida oriented trade and he was saying
• 1:08:50
  how OK, like, you know, I mean, with with Barkov not there, does
• 1:08:57
  it basically affect to Chuck's value?
• 1:08:58
  And I think not really like Barkov is awesome.
• 1:09:02
  Obviously he's a better forward than Bennett or Lundell, but
• 1:09:06
  like Bennett's been an absolute, absolute monster.
• 1:09:09
  And like these guys can can succeed on their own.
• 1:09:12
  So it'll just make the matchups even easier for Ryan Hart went
• 1:09:16
  to check comes back. So I would I'm going Reinhart
• 1:09:19
  here. It's close, though.
• 1:09:20
  It's it's definitely a worthwhile discussion, but the
• 1:09:23
  difference was not split on this one, sadly.
• 1:09:27
  It was definitely close. Yeah, it is close.
• 1:09:30
  Alright, let's go over defensemen.
• 1:09:32
  This one. It might be a slam dunk one way.
• 1:09:34
  I think this I was kind of, I mean, I've said that they've all
• 1:09:39
  been closed thus far, but this one I really want to focus on
• 1:09:42
  the playoff picture. This I got inspiration by
• 1:09:44
  somebody in the this court asked if they can they can do a trade
• 1:09:47
  like this. And I think A2 for 2 is very
• 1:09:50
  feasible. But would you do Rasmus Dahlin
• 1:09:53
  or Adam Fox rest of season? For me, I'm going to.
• 1:09:58
  I'm going Dalene. Me too.
• 1:10:00
  I think that I know that Fox has those two extra games in the
• 1:10:04
  playoffs and Fox should get more points.
• 1:10:06
  Dolly's going to get more everything else.
• 1:10:09
  And The thing is that like Buffalo actually has a pretty
• 1:10:13
  solid playoff schedule themselves because in addition
• 1:10:15
  to being a 334, they're weak. Like their middle week, week 22,
• 1:10:20
  they have them. And the Rangers are actually the
• 1:10:21
  only teams that have an that don't play on the Tuesday.
• 1:10:25
  So that's a pretty big that's essentially kind of like adding
• 1:10:28
  an extra game to that schedule by allowing you to not bend
• 1:10:31
  someone else. So I don't think the playoff
• 1:10:33
  difference is that big. So I'm just going on the player
• 1:10:35
  who's better and it's gotta be doling for me.
• 1:10:38
  But what is it? What is it about darling that
• 1:10:40
  makes him better to you? OK, so, so firstly, last year
• 1:10:43
  Buffalo, Buffalo was bad and bullying did better last year
• 1:10:50
  and this year, yes, we're we're halfway through the season and
• 1:10:53
  Fox who's been injured for a while as better.
• 1:10:56
  Average to come back as a record this like.
• 1:10:58
  You're doing data day like yeah. The shot you have no bad luck
• 1:11:05
  ever. OK, after if this, if he's
• 1:11:06
  actually if Matthews is hurt for a while, there is no more
• 1:11:09
  complaining for any time ever. Matthews being hurt doesn't help
• 1:11:13
  my team at all. Yes.
• 1:11:15
  But it does. You got celebrating for a
• 1:11:18
  nothing guy. Apparently this is This is
• 1:11:20
  absurd, but. Darlene hasn't even missed a
• 1:11:22
  game. There hasn't been any
• 1:11:23
  announcement or anything anyways.
• 1:11:26
  And power play points is going to be similar.
• 1:11:28
  And I also think as Pimms are are very obviously better shots,
• 1:11:32
  hits and then the blocks could be around the same.
• 1:11:35
  So across the board, the banger cats, I'm going to Darlene and
• 1:11:38
  then the points are going to be a slight edge to Fox over the
• 1:11:44
  three weeks found in the playoffs.
• 1:11:45
  With the two extra games, that's probably going to like figured
• 1:11:49
  to like one to two more points a week, though I don't really
• 1:11:52
  think it's going to be like a huge game changer.
• 1:11:55
  So with that, I would just simply give it to Dolly.
• 1:11:59
  Yeah, I think it's like definitely like I get what
• 1:12:01
  you're saying, Kevin, where darling jackets are not what
• 1:12:04
  people kind of project them to be year in and year out.
• 1:12:06
  He seems to be transitioning to more of a points focused
• 1:12:10
  defenseman as opposed to bankers one who also gets points.
• 1:12:12
  But the fact is that shots I saw is a huge edge hits.
• 1:12:16
  It's pretty negligible at this point, but I would still I would
• 1:12:19
  still give him the edge if it's something, but I won't count it.
• 1:12:21
  And blocks Fox actually has more this season, but I count that as
• 1:12:24
  negligible as well like to counteract the hit.
• 1:12:26
  So it's really the shots is a big advantage.
• 1:12:28
  Pimms, if your lead counts, that is a big advantage and then the
• 1:12:31
  power play points you just you kind of in your head you expect
• 1:12:33
  out Fox is gonna be way better at power play points.
• 1:12:35
  But now they're pretty much the same there and then points wise
• 1:12:38
  you just expect oh, Fox is gonna be way better at points, but
• 1:12:40
  they're actually pretty similar. Fox definitely has the edge
• 1:12:42
  there. But Rangers kind of suck this
• 1:12:44
  year. They keep getting shut out left
• 1:12:46
  and right and I just don't you know Buffaloes on the 8 game win
• 1:12:50
  streak right now and I think that they will slow down
• 1:12:53
  obviously, but I think they're a lot closer to the Rangers in
• 1:12:58
  standings and how the team is than than you might expect.
• 1:13:00
  So for all those, since I give Fox a slight edge at points, but
• 1:13:03
  I think Darlene has a big edge at shots and a big edge at
• 1:13:06
  Pimms. And then if either one of them
• 1:13:09
  was going to hit and block in any given week, I would give the
• 1:13:11
  edge to Dolly. And so for those reasons I'm
• 1:13:13
  going with. I just wanna put it out there
• 1:13:16
  also that I had a dream that Adam Adam Fox was averaging 3
• 1:13:20
  blocks a game and I don't. Know.
• 1:13:23
  That this happened last night and I was just like, then they
• 1:13:25
  give you inspiration to make this, would you rather?
• 1:13:28
  Jake, you missed it. Last episode I I woke up right
• 1:13:31
  before we recorded and I told Kevin I had a dream that Dougie
• 1:13:34
  Hamilton got traded to Saint Louis.
• 1:13:35
  So we're just seeing our dreams now, I guess is another thing
• 1:13:38
  we're doing on the. Pot.
• 1:13:39
  And also we're dreaming about fantasy hockey, so.
• 1:13:42
  Yeah. But but I think it comes down to
• 1:13:45
  Dollywood average an extra shot a game.
• 1:13:47
  I think Fox will average .2 points per game more.
• 1:13:51
  And I do give Fox the edge and power play points.
• 1:13:53
  I think it can be like a .05 to .10 power play points more.
• 1:13:58
  I would not be. Shoreline has more so far this
• 1:14:00
  season. Like more he's.
• 1:14:01
  Average no. But Fox also like, don't forget
• 1:14:03
  that. Like he's missed a lot of time
• 1:14:05
  and through that time is when the Rangers were actually good.
• 1:14:07
  Like look at his recent. There was a time that the
• 1:14:09
  Rangers were actually good this year.
• 1:14:11
  I must have missed that. No, but there was definitely
• 1:14:14
  points in time where like the rings have actually been solid.
• 1:14:17
  Like if you look at this game log, I think he had like 12
• 1:14:19
  points in his last 10 games or something.
• 1:14:21
  Like ridiculous. Yeah, but come playoff time,
• 1:14:24
  like honestly, I think I just prefer to have Fox on my roster.
• 1:14:27
  Give me the extra points from the defenseman position, give me
• 1:14:29
  the extra points from the defensive position, and I I can
• 1:14:33
  make comfort that extra shot somewhere else.
• 1:14:34
  I just want the extra games from a guy that's already getting
• 1:14:37
  more points. But I don't think the bats are
• 1:14:41
  are enough of a difference to me that like it sways me in the
• 1:14:44
  direction like I'm not getting better at hits, I'm not getting
• 1:14:45
  better at blocks. Yeah, the shot is nice, but I'd
• 1:14:48
  much rather take points and an extra shot, you know, and
• 1:14:51
  especially because the guy that's giving you the extra shot
• 1:14:53
  has less games. So Yep, this is one of those
• 1:14:57
  trees that I feel like if you're looking at the playoffs like and
• 1:14:59
  you have dollies on your roster you can do Darlene for and plus
• 1:15:03
  something else for like Fox plus something else.
• 1:15:05
  I just set yourself up for the playoffs in a better way where
• 1:15:08
  you're giving the dulling better quote UN quote better than Fox
• 1:15:11
  and getting another upgrade on the side or you're happy with
• 1:15:13
  that situation for your playoffs.
• 1:15:16
  Come that. You think it's close enough that
• 1:15:17
  if you can do a tooth for two where you're also getting an
• 1:15:20
  upgrade on the second one, even if it's a small upgrade, then
• 1:15:22
  you should do that trade. But like if I had to choose one
• 1:15:25
  or the other, I'm still going darling.
• 1:15:27
  But I get the playoff schedule is better for Fox, so I could
• 1:15:30
  see that. That's my thing.
• 1:15:32
  Yeah, I'm sticking, sticking with Darlene.
• 1:15:35
  So OK, let's go to the last. One Alright, last one.
• 1:15:38
  This might be short and sweet, but the talking goalies.
• 1:15:42
  Now, would you rather the best goalie in the NHL, the guy who
• 1:15:47
  handles the workload? I knew.
• 1:15:49
  Brandon Bussey of the Carolina Hurricanes.
• 1:15:52
  Starter for the Carolina Hurricanes.
• 1:15:53
  Brandon Bussey or Carter Hart of the Vegas Golden Knights rest of
• 1:15:58
  season. Wow, that's I really like that
• 1:16:00
  one. I I fear I may be setting one of
• 1:16:03
  you up for a joke, but I had a dream.
• 1:16:05
  Oh God, that's been dreaming about the.
• 1:16:08
  Won the Vezina. No, you didn't.
• 1:16:10
  You just made that up on the spot.
• 1:16:12
  Even though we were doing a dream segment.
• 1:16:17
  So yeah, I it would. It would never mind.
• 1:16:24
  And, and this is the day after that that Carter had just got
• 1:16:27
  laid up against Minnesota. So it's definitely this that
• 1:16:30
  takes us all our mouths, as opposed to, yeah, supposed to.
• 1:16:39
  I don't want to finish my sentence.
• 1:16:43
  OK, OK, back-to-back to Hockey I.
• 1:16:48
  I think. We were always.
• 1:16:50
  Talking about hockey? Yes.
• 1:16:51
  Yes, always right. So to me, this is this is
• 1:16:57
  actually a a clear edge to yeah, I mean, I mean, bossy's just
• 1:17:01
  been way too good. Also I think it's pronounced
• 1:17:03
  bussy, but. Let's.
• 1:17:05
  Just wait. Is it?
• 1:17:06
  Yeah, but I think it is, but I refuse.
• 1:17:13
  Brandon, if you're listening to this, let us know in the YouTube
• 1:17:15
  comments. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Seriously, when you get gifted A bussy, you don't pronounce it
• 1:17:20
  correctly. Brandon Bussey of the Carolina
• 1:17:25
  Hurricanes. Yeah, I, I'm gonna, I, I, I have
• 1:17:28
  to choose him because he's been incredible.
• 1:17:32
  The outs we're talking about taking away from him being elite
• 1:17:36
  have to do with them trading for another goalie 2.
• 1:17:39
  Or just simply don't. Be a tandem and yes, him slowing
• 1:17:43
  down, but look like Carolina has not won every game they've
• 1:17:48
  played this season, but the vast majority of the games that he
• 1:17:52
  started, he's won. I could.
• 1:17:53
  Chekov is a good goalie, so like when he was playing, he was
• 1:17:57
  doing OK, but still not the winning percentages Bus he had.
• 1:18:00
  And Anderson as well was horrible.
• 1:18:03
  So yes, he can slow down, he can have a bad game here and there,
• 1:18:08
  but he's already done enough to earn the starting spot.
• 1:18:12
  And yes, if they trade for a guy to make it a tandem, it's bad,
• 1:18:15
  but it's still to me better than a guy who missed the past like a
• 1:18:20
  year and a half not playing in the NHL.
• 1:18:23
  And Vegas is great, but to me, Bussey is just done enough to
• 1:18:27
  show me, OK, yeah, this is like a legit amazing pickup for
• 1:18:31
  fantasy for the rest of the year.
• 1:18:34
  But I also, yes, of course, if he gets traded.
• 1:18:36
  It's just that to me is like the chances of all that happening,
• 1:18:39
  Like, yeah, it sucks, but it it could happen, but it's not
• 1:18:42
  enough to to dissuade me from being very enthusiastic about
• 1:18:46
  pussy. Alright, so we've got a busy
• 1:18:50
  enthusiast Jakey and I am going with my boy Brandon Bussey.
• 1:18:57
  Hard beats for both. Alliteration at King.
• 1:19:00
  Of. Pussy world.
• 1:19:03
  Yeah, No, I think that look, we're talking about, like you
• 1:19:06
  said, we're talking about all these hypotheticals that I think
• 1:19:08
  are going to happen. But we're like, you know,
• 1:19:10
  Caroline is going to trade for a goalie and then that goal is
• 1:19:12
  gonna be maybe a tandem and then it's gonna be some challenge for
• 1:19:15
  Busy. But he's been killing it.
• 1:19:16
  And whatever. A lot of things have to go wrong
• 1:19:18
  for him to not be the starter of Carolina Rest this season,
• 1:19:21
  right? Or, as with Carter Hart, there's
• 1:19:24
  literally a man named Aiden Hill standing there with a steel
• 1:19:26
  chair, ready to come in at any moment.
• 1:19:28
  You know, and. Like we know.
• 1:19:31
  I think I think at any moment, look what happened to Mark
• 1:19:33
  Stone. These guys.
• 1:19:34
  That's how Vegas does things. They don't announce anything
• 1:19:36
  about injured guys. Oh, yeah, he's he doesn't exist.
• 1:19:38
  He's pretty much dead. And then all of a sudden, oh,
• 1:19:40
  he's on the ice and he's playing tonight.
• 1:19:41
  You know, so I do think that Aiden Hill is gonna come back at
• 1:19:44
  some point. I wouldn't be surprised if he's
• 1:19:46
  back before the Olympics. And and I think that at the very
• 1:19:50
  least that's going to be a tandem.
• 1:19:51
  And if not, Hill should be the starter over heart.
• 1:19:54
  So for all that reason I'm I'm happier with the with busy on my
• 1:19:57
  team. But if they're both in a tandem,
• 1:20:00
  who would you rather have? I mean, I'd rather have pussy
• 1:20:04
  honestly. Like we I know Vegas is like,
• 1:20:06
  oh, it's Vegas the goalie for Vegas, but it's also the goalie
• 1:20:09
  for Carolina, right? They're equally good teams.
• 1:20:11
  You get you possibly giving the edge to Carolina.
• 1:20:13
  So if they're both in tandems and busseys for some reason,
• 1:20:17
  better. Just a sick goal.
• 1:20:20
  No. I think it's close enough that
• 1:20:22
  that should. Vegas has hardly play with
• 1:20:24
  Michael for the last two weeks either.
• 1:20:27
  Yeah, I mean, look, I'm still, I'm still going Bussy, even if
• 1:20:32
  they're both tandems. But that's also a big a big if,
• 1:20:34
  right? I think Bossy has a much clearer
• 1:20:37
  chance of getting more starts for us this season than Carter
• 1:20:39
  Hart. OK, so where, where is the busy
• 1:20:42
  line then? Cause we spoke about earlier in
• 1:20:43
  the podcast, we spoke about it now like where's let me, let me
• 1:20:47
  give you some names, OK? Like.
• 1:20:48
  I feel like I'd want to turn him into one of these like top ten,
• 1:20:53
  top top 15 type of goalies, like cuz I still do think he's a cell
• 1:20:56
  high, but like you gotta sell them high, right?
• 1:20:59
  So if you do like busy plus plus someone for, you know, one of
• 1:21:03
  these top ten goal, these top 15 goalies, then I'm happy.
• 1:21:06
  Like I really liked the Logan Thompson one.
• 1:21:07
  I thought that was a great target.
• 1:21:09
  OK, but let me give you some names.
• 1:21:10
  You tell me. Only speak if you rather have
• 1:21:13
  bussy over them. OK.
• 1:21:15
  Scott Wedgewood. I, I think, I think so.
• 1:21:22
  I it's close, it's very close there.
• 1:21:26
  I I don't know. Like is it cause you think you
• 1:21:28
  think he plays a lot more games? Is that why?
• 1:21:30
  Yeah, it's like, it's like right now.
• 1:21:33
  I mean, Block what's been amazing when he starts, right?
• 1:21:36
  So Block was also super super good.
• 1:21:40
  To me, I'd rather have both Carolina, Colorado goalies over
• 1:21:43
  busy. Would you rather Walstead?
• 1:21:47
  That's a good one. I would rather busy and I have
• 1:21:49
  Walstead. I'm I'm certain that Bush's
• 1:21:53
  getting more stars this season than Walstead.
• 1:21:55
  I'm also certain that wall studs are going to be higher quality.
• 1:21:59
  So I think I would go with busy though just for the quantity.
• 1:22:03
  OK, you'd rather guess, I'm assuming, obviously that's an
• 1:22:06
  easy one. Yeah, yeah, Schuster can easy.
• 1:22:09
  Auto engine, easy. Vasilevsky easy.
• 1:22:11
  Let's get the easy ones out of the way, Bobrovsky.
• 1:22:14
  I'd rather Bobrovski. OK, I think I I think I'm gonna
• 1:22:19
  go busy. And the reason is that I, like
• 1:22:23
  Bobrovsky has been playing a lot more than than I'd expect him to
• 1:22:29
  play. And I think that like, as the
• 1:22:31
  year kind of goes on, he's going to play less and less.
• 1:22:35
  Because he's don't know, I think, I don't think they're a
• 1:22:37
  lock for a playoff spots. They have to play whoever is
• 1:22:38
  gonna give him the chance to win games.
• 1:22:40
  That's for that's fair, but it's like that's that's really neck
• 1:22:43
  and neck. So how many names is that?
• 1:22:46
  Like I feel like that's around 10 names, like then and then is
• 1:22:49
  is busy just the guy right after that.
• 1:22:51
  Like you'd rather bossy over Spencer Night, you'd rather him
• 1:22:54
  over. Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  I mean, Logan Thompson I think is probably close.
• 1:22:57
  Like who you prefer? For me, it's not close.
• 1:22:59
  I'd rather Thompson. Really OK for you?
• 1:23:01
  It's not close at all. Yeah, it's close, but I'm I'm
• 1:23:05
  gonna take Thompson. What's the difference between
• 1:23:07
  Thompson and Bobrovsky Jaky then?
• 1:23:10
  Take Bob also. Yeah, I just, Bob, I think
• 1:23:13
  Florida is becoming Florida that just won back-to-back Stanley
• 1:23:17
  Cups and you're getting the starting goalie there.
• 1:23:18
  And even though the percentages are not as good right now, like
• 1:23:21
  they're getting better as a team, they're still winning all
• 1:23:23
  their games. I just really think he's going
• 1:23:25
  to play less like, like, I know what.
• 1:23:27
  You're saying just talked about busy being in a tandem at the
• 1:23:30
  end of the season. Season a tandem.
• 1:23:32
  If they trade for somebody else, we're probably going to play
• 1:23:34
  less because he's 1000 years old and they want to win the Stanley
• 1:23:36
  Cup again. I mean, they're backup is like
• 1:23:39
  the worst backup they've had in years.
• 1:23:40
  Like Tarasov is not the dispenser nights or the Alex
• 1:23:43
  Lyons. Yeah, Yeah, I think we got to.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah, we gotta. Start What about Wolf of Milka
• 1:23:50
  the. The overall one OHT.
• 1:23:54
  Really. I'd rather.
• 1:23:56
  I'd rather. Busy.
• 1:23:57
  Yeah, I ain't really bad, at least with Utah.
• 1:24:00
  Like so who's a better goalie than Falca?
• 1:24:02
  But at least Utah, I have some hope they can be a good team.
• 1:24:05
  Rest of the season. Calgary is going to be a bottom
• 1:24:07
  three team. Yeah, no, look, the the simple
• 1:24:10
  truth here is that he was in a tandem, A there were three
• 1:24:14
  goalies and he was still trouble.
• 1:24:18
  And he was by far the best guy. And now he's the clearest
• 1:24:21
  starter. Like, this is unbelievably
• 1:24:23
  exciting. I will have a way better picture
• 1:24:26
  in two weeks from now. But to me, like, yeah, Bush's
• 1:24:29
  like on the top, in the top 10 to 15.
• 1:24:32
  Like, I'm just having flashbacks to when I picked up Askarov and
• 1:24:36
  he was like the best goalie in the league for like a month.
• 1:24:38
  And he was splitting with, yeah, I mean, I did try to trade Oscar
• 1:24:43
  off at the time. I was doing my due diligence to
• 1:24:45
  try to try to get off of him. But then like after a month and
• 1:24:48
  they slow down. Like same thing happens when
• 1:24:50
  Spencer night were like when everything is happening for it's
• 1:24:53
  just like these guys are so good.
• 1:24:54
  It's hard to project the fall, but then the fall happens and
• 1:24:57
  you're like. Look, I think it's our
• 1:24:59
  responsibility as each other's friends and as podcast hosts for
• 1:25:03
  our viewers to kind of talk you off the when you're getting
• 1:25:07
  hyped on your own player, you know, and you're like, this is
• 1:25:09
  never going to end. The ride's gonna go forever.
• 1:25:11
  That's what Sahai is, right? Sahih never feels good.
• 1:25:14
  You're always selling the guy who's performing way more.
• 1:25:16
  But at the end of the day, like, there's a reason, you know, it's
• 1:25:20
  very rare that someone goes on a Hamburglar run.
• 1:25:22
  You know, like, unless you think Bush's gonna keep doing this all
• 1:25:25
  the way, like, you know, like that like, insane.
• 1:25:26
  Run. It's not impossible, but.
• 1:25:28
  It's not impossible, but like if you can turn him into more of a
• 1:25:30
  sure thing like a Bob or a Thompson, like for me it's a no
• 1:25:32
  brainer. I think those are the perfect
• 1:25:34
  names. Bob Thompson Temper.
• 1:25:35
  I feel like all those guys are attainable right now for Bussy.
• 1:25:38
  Kemper, I think you're aiming too high.
• 1:25:40
  I. Mean injury.
• 1:25:42
  I think it's because of the injury.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, I mean you can try, you can do pussy plus for.
• 1:25:46
  Example, the difference between the other two guys that you
• 1:25:48
  mentioned is that Carolina is a juggernaut and they have been.
• 1:25:52
  They've been a Stanley Cup contending team for years.
• 1:25:54
  And Chicago. I wouldn't call them a joke or
• 1:25:56
  not though. They're really they're they're.
• 1:25:59
  Playing really good after strong into the conference vinyls and
• 1:26:02
  not winning a single game. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:04
  Then getting. Swept.
• 1:26:05
  That's it, but then it's irrelevant for us.
• 1:26:07
  It's just about the season. So I believe in them a lot more.
• 1:26:11
  But yeah, I mean ask her all the night are gonna be really
• 1:26:13
  amazing goalies. But I think that this is a
• 1:26:15
  really good year to own busy. I wouldn't sell him yet, but I
• 1:26:18
  would be open minded to selling him.
• 1:26:20
  I'd be selling him think. I think right now his values are
• 1:26:23
  peak before, before you give him before you give him more runway
• 1:26:26
  for him to prove he's not the guy people are.
• 1:26:28
  I mean, he is the guy right now because he's been playing well
• 1:26:30
  and then check just got hurt. So it's like, OK now.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah, there's nothing he can do at.
• 1:26:35
  This value can get better. That's exactly there's nothing
• 1:26:38
  you can do to give him more value because he's already been
• 1:26:40
  playing Unreal and he's already the clear starter.
• 1:26:42
  Like it can only go down from here.
• 1:26:44
  So if you're planning on selling him now, he's got to be the
• 1:26:46
  time. All right, all right, I'm gonna
• 1:26:51
  hold for a little while longer, but.
• 1:26:53
  I think I hear holding your cell hi guys till they become no
• 1:26:56
  longer sell highs than being like Dang I should have traded
• 1:26:58
  them. I.
• 1:27:02
  We'll see what happens. Yeah, OK.
• 1:27:05
  Thank you to everybody for listening to our Week 13 News
• 1:27:08
  and Updates episode. This was a long one.
• 1:27:11
  Thank you for. Your first.
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  Episode back yes thanks. Thanks for having me back to all
• 1:27:17
  the fans and for keep mentioning my name so people won't forget
• 1:27:20
  me and I am I am here to stay. So there is, there is.
• 1:27:25
  Really. A third to.
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  Bang management. The Fantasy Hockey Podcast and
• 1:27:30
  yeah, very, very exciting. It's gonna be a great 20 26.
• 1:27:35
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• 1:27:51
  Lot of fun stuff there where people ask Kevin for permission
• 1:27:54
  to to trade players or drop players or draw.
• 1:27:59
  That's the biggest one is the drop.
• 1:28:01
  It's like Kevin, can I, can I drop in there guys?
• 1:28:05
  Permission to drop somebody? Yeah, I'm just picturing me
• 1:28:11
  like, as a Killian Murphy from in Dark Knight Rises, You know
• 1:28:15
  where he's like. Exactly.
• 1:28:16
  When when Spain has control over everything and he's like running
• 1:28:19
  this little like. That's exactly what I was
• 1:28:21
  picturing. Was he like death or exile?
• 1:28:23
  Yeah, he's like exile. I know he's like death.
• 1:28:26
  And they're like, OK, death by exile.
• 1:28:32
  Alright, Ernie, take it away. Bob it about bound banger
• 1:28:36
  management fantasy hockey podcast.
• 1:28:38
  Whoa. Woo woo.
• 1:28:41
  That's actually crazy. You clocked that Dark Knight.
• 1:28:43
  Like that's exactly what I was thinking.
• 1:28:45
  Like literally exactly.