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- 0:02Speaker 1: They are some of the world's most notorious serial killers.
- 0:05Speaker 1: He was like a god when he had a corpse
- 0:07Speaker 1: at his plaything. But were these psychopaths born evil, or
- 0:11Speaker 1: did their mothers make them into monsters? I'm Donald McIntyre,
- 0:16Speaker 1: and I'm on a quest to explore how some of
- 0:18Speaker 1: history's most horrific murderers were molded by their dysfunctional relationships
- 0:23Speaker 1: with their mothers. When it comes to people who are pathological, psychopathic,
- 0:28Speaker 1: the influence of the mother is absolutely dominant. I'll be
- 0:32Speaker 1: piecing together events in their childhoods and talking to criminologists
- 0:36Speaker 1: and psychologists to try to understand what motivated their monstrous crimes.
- 0:41Speaker 2: We never come across a serial killer who'd kill that
- 0:43Speaker 2: many people.
- 0:44Speaker 1: In this program, Richard Kuklinski, the Iceman, a contract killer
- 0:49Speaker 1: for the New York Mafia. He spent almost 30 years shooting, stabbing,
- 0:53Speaker 1: strangling and poisoning as many as 250 victims. He loved evilness.
- 0:57Speaker 3: He loved to hurt people.
- 1:01Speaker 1: Did growing up in poverty with an abusive mother give
- 1:04Speaker 1: him the skill set to become one of the world's
- 1:06Speaker 1: most prolific hitmen? It was a cold December morning in
- 1:36Speaker 1: 1986 when Richard Kutlinski, arguably one of America's most notorious
- 1:41Speaker 1: contract killers, was arrested outside his home in New Jersey.
- 1:45Speaker 1: He was employed by the mafia to dispose of problem individuals.
- 1:49Speaker 1: He would always kill if the price was right. Murder
- 1:52Speaker 1: was his profession and he made an.
- 1:54Speaker 2: Art of it.
- 1:56Speaker 1: On discovering the frozen corpse of one of his victims,
- 2:00Speaker 1: police dubbed this ruthless killer the Iceman. For over 30 years,
- 2:06Speaker 1: Richard Kuklinski evaded law enforcement by hiding behind the facade
- 2:10Speaker 1: of suburban respectability. Between the late 1950s and 1986, when
- 2:15Speaker 1: he was apprehended, he's believed to have killed around 250
- 2:20Speaker 1: individuals as a professional contract killer.
- 2:24Speaker 3: These guys watch too many movies.
- 2:26Speaker 4: He was doing it for money, and he enjoyed the
- 2:29Speaker 4: variety of how he did it.
- 2:30Speaker 5: There's diabolical, then there's super diabolical, then it's steroidal diabolical, okay?
- 2:35Speaker 2: He's somewhere above that.
- 2:37Speaker 1: Dominic Polifron, an undercover agent, would spend two years trying
- 2:41Speaker 1: to crack Kuklinski's protective shell. His covert operation and their
- 2:46Speaker 1: eventual friendship would prove critical to Kuklinski's downfall and ultimate arrest.
- 2:51Speaker 3: He was a huge, massive man. And if there was
- 2:57Speaker 3: a devil on Earth, he was it walking around and
- 3:01Speaker 3: getting his victims.
- 3:03Speaker 1: Kuklinski was an efficient killing machine, and he lacked any
- 3:07Speaker 1: empathy for his victims.
- 3:10Speaker 4: He was completely dissociated from any emotions.
- 3:14Speaker 5: In my view, and based on what we heard on tape,
- 3:16Speaker 5: I enjoyed people suffering at his hand, and that would
- 3:20Speaker 5: include death.
- 3:22Speaker 1: To find out how Kuklinski became such a cold-blooded killer,
- 3:26Speaker 1: we need to go back to his childhood and investigate
- 3:29Speaker 1: his relationship with his mother. Richard Kuklinski was born in
- 3:35Speaker 1: 1935 to an Irish mother, Anna, and a Polish father, Stanley.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Richard was the second oldest of four siblings. He lived
- 3:47Speaker 1: his early life in the projects of Jersey City. It
- 3:51Speaker 1: was cheap social housing, predominantly occupied by new immigrants to America.
- 3:56Speaker 6: Growing up in the projects in Jersey City, in a
- 4:00Speaker 6: largely Catholic Polish, Irish, and Italian community, there was the usuals, addiction, poverty,
- 4:13Speaker 6: domestic violence. They were people who were disadvantaged, who struggled
- 4:19Speaker 6: to do the right thing, largely, for their children.
- 4:23Speaker 1: America was the land of opportunity for many, but for Kuklinski,
- 4:28Speaker 1: life in the ghetto and at home was tough and unforgiving.
- 4:32Speaker 7: His father would hit Kuklinski all the time growing up.
- 4:35Speaker 7: He apparently drank a lot. And Kuklinski had a bad
- 4:39Speaker 7: relationship with his father. He says very clearly, I didn't
- 4:41Speaker 7: like my father because his father was abusive to him.
- 4:45Speaker 6: His father was a brutal, physically and emotionally abusive man,
- 4:49Speaker 6: a philanderer who brought other women home, fornicated with them
- 4:54Speaker 6: in front of the mother, in front of the children.
- 4:57Speaker 6: At one point in time, Richard said that he tried
- 5:00Speaker 6: to intervene. and that his father just knocked him senseless.
- 5:05Speaker 1: With such an abusive father, most children would naturally turn
- 5:08Speaker 1: to their moms for protection. But instead of support, Kuklinski's
- 5:12Speaker 1: mother took out her own frustrations on the young Richard.
- 5:16Speaker 1: Anna had grown up being abused in an orphanage, so
- 5:19Speaker 1: corporal punishment was second nature to her.
- 5:22Speaker 7: Kuklinski called his mother whipped cream and cancer. He said
- 5:27Speaker 7: that she was very friendly and appeared very normal to
- 5:30Speaker 7: others on the outside, but internally she was evidently very
- 5:35Speaker 7: sadistic and very abusive and very, very angry and took
- 5:40Speaker 7: out her emotions, particularly angry emotions, on her children, particularly Kuklinski.
- 5:45Speaker 7: She hit them, swatted them, and slapped them. All of
- 5:47Speaker 7: this behavior is unhelpful to a young child. So there
- 5:51Speaker 7: was no warmth, there was no support.
- 5:54Speaker 1: What impact did this harsh treatment at the hands of
- 5:56Speaker 1: his mother have on Kuklinski?
- 5:59Speaker 3: It desensitized him to violence.
- 6:02Speaker 7: He became accustomed to being hit and seeing other people
- 6:06Speaker 7: close to him being hit. He became accustomed to blocking
- 6:09Speaker 7: out his emotion as a way to survive. That level
- 6:13Speaker 7: of desensitization to the emotions of others, I think, had
- 6:17Speaker 7: its roots in Kuklinski's early life.
- 6:21Speaker 4: Kuklinski learns very quickly in life that violence can be
- 6:25Speaker 4: really instrumental. It's very useful for getting you what you want.
- 6:28Speaker 4: It gets you what you want very quickly. And if
- 6:31Speaker 4: you do it correctly and brutally enough, there's no comeback
- 6:35Speaker 4: and you can get away with it.
- 6:37Speaker 1: Kuklinski later declared that his father literally got away with
- 6:41Speaker 1: murder when he beats Richard's older brother to death.
- 6:47Speaker 4: It is alleged that His mother also covered up for
- 6:51Speaker 4: his father and went along with the story that his
- 6:54Speaker 4: brother had been killed in a traffic accident.
- 6:57Speaker 1: The murder of his brother would have been difficult to
- 6:59Speaker 1: come to terms with for the young Richard.
- 7:02Speaker 6: Perhaps his brother was his protector in some way and
- 7:06Speaker 6: he felt now even more angry and more fearful and
- 7:09Speaker 6: more vulnerable.
- 7:11Speaker 4: So we're faced here with a Kuklinski who's got lots
- 7:13Speaker 4: of anger, lots of feelings of revenge, lots of feelings
- 7:17Speaker 4: of hatred and pent-up viciousness, but he can't actually really
- 7:22Speaker 4: understand why he's got that.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Did his abusive family life and being brought up in
- 7:29Speaker 1: such poverty mold Kuklinski into the ruthless killer he became? Culturally,
- 7:41Speaker 1: there's lots to suggest for me that this could have
- 7:43Speaker 1: been a very good home he could have been brought
- 7:45Speaker 1: up in. But throw in an abusive dad and alcohol,
- 7:49Speaker 1: and the poverty, and it does feel as if it's
- 7:52Speaker 1: a very difficult time for him.
- 7:54Speaker 8: Yeah, you've got a really toxic mix going on here.
- 7:56Speaker 8: So you've got his father, Stanley, who's a Polish migrant,
- 7:59Speaker 8: and he's a railroad worker, and he's quite a heavy drinker,
- 8:03Speaker 8: and he's incredibly violent and incredibly abusive. What was his
- 8:07Speaker 8: mum doing? She was kind of in complete denial.
- 8:09Speaker 1: We now know from Richard, post-conviction... of the extraordinary death
- 8:14Speaker 1: of his older brother at the hands of his own
- 8:16Speaker 1: drunken father.
- 8:17Speaker 8: I think the most significant thing about the death of
- 8:20Speaker 8: his brother is that that was covered up. Kuklinski claims
- 8:24Speaker 8: that the parents say it was an accident. And if
- 8:27Speaker 8: that's true, then what Kuklinski's witnessed here is people committing a.
- 8:31Speaker 9: Murder and getting away with it. And I think that's
- 8:33Speaker 9: quite important.
- 8:34Speaker 1: This is the A to Z of the lessons he
- 8:36Speaker 1: would require in early childhood to become one of the
- 8:39Speaker 1: world's most successful contract killers.
- 8:41Speaker 9: I think so.
- 8:42Speaker 8: He's become desensitised to violence because of what's been going
- 8:45Speaker 8: on at home. He's got no allies, he's got nobody
- 8:48Speaker 8: backing up or supporting him or sticking up for him.
- 8:50Speaker 8: So I think that's going to build up a huge
- 8:52Speaker 8: feeling of resentment and a.
- 8:54Speaker 9: Real need to be self-reliant.
- 8:56Speaker 8: We've got all of these pieces of the jigsaw puzzle
- 8:59Speaker 8: are falling into place at a very early stage for Kuklinski.
- 9:04Speaker 1: Coming up, Kuklinski vents his anger and frustration at the
- 9:07Speaker 1: world around him, culminating in his very first murder.
- 9:11Speaker 3: And after that, nobody, and I mean nobody, screwed around
- 9:15Speaker 3: with him.
- 9:16Speaker 1: Richard Kuklinski was one of America's most proficient and prolific
- 9:20Speaker 1: hitmen with an estimated body count of 250 victims. For
- 9:25Speaker 1: nearly 30 years, he was a mafia contract killer for
- 9:28Speaker 1: the New York crime families, outfoxing law enforcement with a
- 9:31Speaker 1: variety of murder techniques. He was a deadly predator, known
- 9:36Speaker 1: as the Iceman, who would take on any hit as
- 9:39Speaker 1: long as the price was right. But where did Kuklinski's
- 9:43Speaker 1: murderous impulses originate from? Was he born with them or
- 9:47Speaker 1: did he learn them? The Jersey City projects were a
- 9:54Speaker 1: tough and violent place during the 1940s when Richard was
- 9:59Speaker 1: growing up.
- 10:00Speaker 7: The projects back then, there was a lot of violence there.
- 10:03Speaker 7: There was a lot of fights, some drugs. It was
- 10:06Speaker 7: an impoverished lifestyle.
- 10:08Speaker 1: And things got much harder for Richard when at the
- 10:11Speaker 1: age of 10, his father walked out, leaving Anna and
- 10:15Speaker 1: her children to fend for themselves.
- 10:19Speaker 7: His mother essentially raised the families. And it was a
- 10:23Speaker 7: lifestyle that was marked by a great deal of corporal
- 10:27Speaker 7: punishment and rigidity.
- 10:30Speaker 1: If Kuklinski wasn't beaten at home by his violent mother,
- 10:34Speaker 1: he was having to defend himself out on the streets.
- 10:37Speaker 5: It was a tough area, and it was an area
- 10:40Speaker 5: that involved survival on the street with ethnic clashes and
- 10:43Speaker 5: so forth.
- 10:44Speaker 2: Some children would prey on other children.
- 10:47Speaker 1: Life in the projects was incredibly tough for the half
- 10:50Speaker 1: Irish and half Polish Kuklinski, but there was one unifying
- 10:53Speaker 1: factor which brought everyone together, the Catholic Church. Anna was
- 11:03Speaker 1: obsessively religious, finding relief from her own problems within the
- 11:08Speaker 1: Catholic Church.
- 11:09Speaker 6: He's described his mother as a very devout, almost obsessive
- 11:14Speaker 6: Catholic of Irish descent.
- 11:17Speaker 7: His mother did send Kuklinski and his brother and sisters
- 11:21Speaker 7: to Catholic school. Kuklinski had a parochial education and training.
- 11:25Speaker 1: He was an altar boy. At the age of 13,
- 11:29Speaker 1: Kuklinski was confirmed into the Catholic faith. And for his
- 11:32Speaker 1: deeply religious mother, this should have been a joyous occasion.
- 11:38Speaker 7: When he had his confirmation, his mother didn't show up.
- 11:40Speaker 7: She had to work or do something else. It certainly
- 11:43Speaker 7: had bothered him. All the other kids, their parents were there.
- 11:46Speaker 7: They fussed over him. They were bringing him back home
- 11:48Speaker 7: for a party, gave him presents, and he's nothing.
- 11:52Speaker 2: He got absolutely nothing.
- 11:54Speaker 7: That would just make a child extremely upset and really
- 11:59Speaker 7: demonstrate how little his mother cared about him.
- 12:03Speaker 6: Richard's memory of this event is really embroidered with a
- 12:07Speaker 6: lot of feeling of hurt, a lot of feeling of
- 12:11Speaker 6: envy and jealousy, a lot of sense of deprivation.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Had his mother's neglect finally pushed Kuklinski beyond the point
- 12:22Speaker 1: of no return?
- 12:23Speaker 7: He's angry at his mother, he's angry at his father,
- 12:26Speaker 7: he's angry at everybody. You grow up with anger and
- 12:29Speaker 7: without much empathy for other people. I'm not going to
- 12:33Speaker 7: have empathy for someone else because they never gave any
- 12:36Speaker 7: empathy to me.
- 12:42Speaker 1: With his father now gone and the family in straitened
- 12:45Speaker 1: financial circumstances, what impact did this have on the young Kuklinski?
- 12:50Speaker 1: Had his overly religious mother now become his primary abuser,
- 12:54Speaker 1: consigning him to a life of ruthless violence? At this stage,
- 13:04Speaker 1: Richard's mother begins to get abusive and violent.
- 13:07Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's perhaps looking to his mum at
- 13:10Speaker 8: this point in time, you know, hoping that she will
- 13:13Speaker 8: provide him with love and attention and warmth now that
- 13:16Speaker 8: this abuser has left the family home.
- 13:18Speaker 9: But unfortunately, that's not quite what happens.
- 13:20Speaker 1: She supplants Stanley's abuse with her own abuse. Now, why
- 13:24Speaker 1: does she fulfil that role?
- 13:25Speaker 8: Well, I think violence is all that this woman has
- 13:27Speaker 8: come to know. So she's grown up in this orphanage,
- 13:31Speaker 8: which was incredibly abusive and and violence she's been in
- 13:35Speaker 8: this violent relationship with with Stanley so I think violence
- 13:39Speaker 8: is it's it's a way of behaving for her it's
- 13:42Speaker 8: a solution to problems it's a way to keep the
- 13:45Speaker 8: house in order so I think she's just doing what
- 13:47Speaker 8: she's used to I.
- 13:48Speaker 1: Think Liz Kuklinski's description of his mother as cancer and
- 13:52Speaker 1: whipped cream tells everything It does.
- 13:55Speaker 9: Doesn't it?
- 13:56Speaker 8: I mean, this is a woman who is very keen
- 13:58Speaker 8: to maintain the ideals of Catholic respectability on the outside.
- 14:02Speaker 8: She's going to church, she's devout, she's a good Christian,
- 14:06Speaker 8: but at home she turns into a monster and she's
- 14:10Speaker 8: attacking her children, she's hitting Richard over the head with
- 14:13Speaker 8: a broom, she's sneaking up.
- 14:15Speaker 9: On him and bashing him, you know, unprovoked often.
- 14:19Speaker 8: So this is a woman who really does have two sides.
- 14:22Speaker 1: She's a Jekyll and Hyde existence and I suppose, Liz,
- 14:25Speaker 1: you can't really underestimate the impact of this abuse and
- 14:29Speaker 1: this childhood and this terrible physical abuse at the hand
- 14:33Speaker 1: of his mother on a young child.
- 14:34Speaker 8: It is so important because those attachments that we form
- 14:38Speaker 8: or don't form with the people around us when we're
- 14:41Speaker 8: children really do go on to shape our expectations about
- 14:44Speaker 8: our relationships with other people.
- 14:48Speaker 1: Life at home was tough for Kuklinski and life on
- 14:51Speaker 1: the streets wasn't any easier. Being half Irish and half
- 14:56Speaker 1: Polish made him a target for numerous neighborhood gangs.
- 15:02Speaker 3: When he was a young kid growing up, he was
- 15:05Speaker 3: getting his butt kicked. They were kicking his ass, pushing
- 15:09Speaker 3: him around. He was just a skinny kid.
- 15:12Speaker 1: Kuklinski received little sympathy from his mother.
- 15:16Speaker 4: Kuklinski's mother was actually probably doing him more harm than
- 15:20Speaker 4: good by trying to play down emotional aspects She may
- 15:25Speaker 4: think she's trying to toughen him up and make him
- 15:27Speaker 4: more robust and hardy, but actually what she could have
- 15:30Speaker 4: been doing was breeding someone, was preparing someone who could
- 15:34Speaker 4: be capable of great violence without thinking through the consequences
- 15:39Speaker 4: and the emotions of what they were doing.
- 15:42Speaker 1: Unable to hit out at the gangs tormenting him, Richard
- 15:45Speaker 1: Kuklinski turned his attentions towards defenceless animals. A clear sign
- 15:51Speaker 1: to psychologists of a troubled mind.
- 15:54Speaker 6: Of the range of behaviors we can see, one of
- 15:59Speaker 6: the most alarming is abusing, torturing, maiming animals, especially cuddly
- 16:06Speaker 6: little animals like cats and kittens and puppies. And there
- 16:11Speaker 6: does seem to be some evidence that very early on
- 16:15Speaker 6: in Richard's life, he began.
- 16:17Speaker 9: To torture and kill cats.
- 16:20Speaker 6: Richard doesn't have a really good model for giving and
- 16:24Speaker 6: receiving love. He is a model for being abused, a
- 16:27Speaker 6: model for being vulnerable, a model for being frightened, enraged, helpless.
- 16:33Speaker 6: If he inflicts pain on a small animal that can't
- 16:36Speaker 6: fight back, he is doing a ritualistic undoing, counterphobic behavior.
- 16:42Speaker 6: He is able to do what his father did to
- 16:45Speaker 6: him with no retaliation. He's the master of his fate.
- 16:50Speaker 1: Having developed a taste for abuse, Kuklinski was now in
- 16:53Speaker 1: his early teens. Finally, he was large enough to stand
- 16:56Speaker 1: up to the bullies who had tormented him throughout his childhood.
- 17:01Speaker 1: At the age of 14, Kuklinski coldly hatched a plan
- 17:05Speaker 1: to ambush one particular bully who had repeatedly targeted him.
- 17:09Speaker 2: He had lied in wait for this subject to be
- 17:11Speaker 2: alone and be vulnerable.
- 17:13Speaker 6: And he had a closed pole and he just began
- 17:16Speaker 6: beating this other child and he beat him senselessly. And
- 17:20Speaker 6: then he realized he'd gone too far.
- 17:24Speaker 2: He beat him to death.
- 17:25Speaker 5: And that's when he got his high of power over
- 17:29Speaker 5: another person.
- 17:29Speaker 3: Saying, hey, nobody's going to kick my ass anymore. I'm
- 17:33Speaker 3: going to call the shots. And after that, nobody, and
- 17:37Speaker 3: I mean nobody, screwed around with him.
- 17:40Speaker 1: Kuklinski got away with this murder, just like his father
- 17:43Speaker 1: got away with killing his brother.
- 17:46Speaker 7: The abusive background desensitized him to emotion. His ability to
- 17:51Speaker 7: encapsulate his emotion as an adult is a defense mechanism
- 17:55Speaker 7: that he perfected. Not everybody can do that. Not everybody
- 18:00Speaker 7: can be very cruel to someone else to kill someone
- 18:03Speaker 7: else and break apart the emotion from what you did.
- 18:08Speaker 7: Not everybody can suppress this so that it doesn't affect
- 18:12Speaker 7: your functioning. Kuklinski had a good ability to do it.
- 18:17Speaker 1: This separation from emotion will become an essential tool for
- 18:20Speaker 1: Kuklinski's future career as a prolific hitman.
- 18:25Speaker 4: We know, as psychologists and experts on human behavior, that
- 18:29Speaker 4: the child is father of the man. And what you
- 18:31Speaker 4: do in your childhood will predict what you do in
- 18:33Speaker 4: your adult life.
- 18:35Speaker 3: And if you do.
- 18:36Speaker 4: Something that's got positive consequences, which makes a problem go away,
- 18:40Speaker 4: and there's no negative downside... then that behavior is much
- 18:44Speaker 4: more likely to be repeated again and again and again.
- 18:48Speaker 6: I like to say that sociopathic people are criminally advantaged.
- 18:56Speaker 6: It would have been easy for him to do it
- 18:58Speaker 6: the first time. It would have been easier for him
- 19:01Speaker 6: to do it the second time. After a while, what
- 19:04Speaker 6: we do know about killing, and we know this from
- 19:07Speaker 6: the military too, is that the more you kill, the
- 19:11Speaker 6: easier it becomes.
- 19:18Speaker 1: Was the abuse Kuklinski suffered at the hands of his
- 19:21Speaker 1: childhood bullies the catalyst for his very first murder? And
- 19:25Speaker 1: was his cruelty to animals an early sign of a
- 19:28Speaker 1: murderer in the making? Liz, what we're seeing now, after
- 19:37Speaker 1: the age of 11, he's beginning to externalise his suffering,
- 19:41Speaker 1: so He's been the punch bag and now he's looking
- 19:43Speaker 1: for something else to punch.
- 19:44Speaker 6: He is.
- 19:45Speaker 8: And at this age, he's physically, he's still quite small.
- 19:48Speaker 8: So I think he turns his attention to animals because
- 19:51Speaker 8: they're the only living creatures he can inflict pain on
- 19:54Speaker 8: and he can see, you know, suffering without the risk
- 19:57Speaker 8: of any retribution.
- 19:58Speaker 9: Or harm to himself.
- 19:59Speaker 1: I mean, it is a classic red flag about a
- 20:01Speaker 1: very damaged kid.
- 20:03Speaker 8: One of those things that we refer to as the
- 20:06Speaker 8: McDonald triad so you've got cruelty to animals you've got
- 20:09Speaker 8: fire setting and you've got bed wetting and it's these
- 20:12Speaker 8: things that always seem to come out in cases of
- 20:15Speaker 8: serial killers but it's not surprising to me that we
- 20:18Speaker 8: see this emerge at this point in his narrative so
- 20:22Speaker 8: he's been abused and violated and people have generally been
- 20:27Speaker 8: nasty towards him everywhere he's turned so he's now looking
- 20:31Speaker 8: to gain some control back He does that the only
- 20:33Speaker 8: way he knows how, that's by being violent, and the
- 20:36Speaker 8: only creatures that he can be violent towards are animals.
- 20:39Speaker 1: Liz, this is his first murder, his first murder of
- 20:42Speaker 1: 250 nearly. How significant is this?
- 20:45Speaker 8: It's incredibly significant, because this is the point at which
- 20:48Speaker 8: he is violent and aggressive towards another person. He crosses
- 20:52Speaker 8: the line from being a victim to being an aggressor.
- 20:57Speaker 1: Coming up, Richard Kuklinski meets the mafia and becomes a
- 21:00Speaker 1: professional hitman.
- 21:02Speaker 3: He developed into a one-man wrecking crew that you had
- 21:05Speaker 3: to really be careful because you look at him wrong
- 21:10Speaker 3: and he would kill you.
- 21:11Speaker 1: Richard Kuklinski was one of America's most prolific hitmen with
- 21:15Speaker 1: a body count of up to 250 victims. For nearly
- 21:18Speaker 1: 30 years, he led a double life as a devoted
- 21:21Speaker 1: family man and a mafia contract killer. He was a
- 21:25Speaker 1: ruthless predator who the police came to know as the Iceman.
- 21:30Speaker 1: What drove him to commit so many murders? Was he
- 21:33Speaker 1: born with a thirst for blood, or did he acquire it?
- 21:38Speaker 1: Leaving school at 16 with few qualifications, but desperate to
- 21:42Speaker 1: escape the poverty of his childhood, Kuklinski took any job
- 21:46Speaker 1: he could find.
- 21:48Speaker 7: With an eighth grade education, Where could Kuklinski go to
- 21:52Speaker 7: get a good job?
- 21:54Speaker 2: Really, nowhere.
- 21:55Speaker 7: He said to me, what was I supposed to do,
- 21:57Speaker 7: push a yarn truck for the rest of my life,
- 21:59Speaker 7: make a menial amount of money?
- 22:02Speaker 1: In 1960, he met middle-class Barbara, and with her well-to-do background,
- 22:08Speaker 1: she matched Kuklinski's idea of the American dream perfectly. A
- 22:12Speaker 1: year later, they married, and a family soon followed.
- 22:16Speaker 2: Of course, he had no means of supporting a family.
- 22:19Speaker 5: So he went back to what he knew best, which
- 22:21Speaker 5: was the people who he knew, who now themselves had
- 22:24Speaker 5: advanced into more serious criminality.
- 22:27Speaker 1: Kuklinski now turned to the network of underworld connections he
- 22:31Speaker 1: knew from his childhood in the projects.
- 22:34Speaker 5: So because of those associations, he was able to start
- 22:37Speaker 5: to penetrate into organized criminal activity.
- 22:41Speaker 2: And one of the earliest areas was pornography.
- 22:46Speaker 1: And Richard was employed in a film duplication laboratory where
- 22:49Speaker 1: he illegally pirated pornographic movies. This illicit work brought him
- 22:55Speaker 1: into contact with the Italian mafia, who quickly recognized his
- 22:59Speaker 1: potential for alternative work.
- 23:03Speaker 5: Richard Kuklinski was approximately 6'4, about 275 pounds, a very
- 23:08Speaker 5: imposing man, would speak in short, clipped sentences, a very
- 23:13Speaker 5: intense stare, They recognized right away that he had a
- 23:16Speaker 5: violent nature.
- 23:16Speaker 3: He was a huge, massive man, and he used to
- 23:22Speaker 3: wear these tinged red glasses that I swear that he
- 23:26Speaker 3: actually was looking through you when he talked to you.
- 23:29Speaker 1: Kuklinski became an enforcer for the mob, using strong-arm tactics
- 23:34Speaker 1: to intimidate anyone his mafia bosses wanted to threaten.
- 23:39Speaker 4: He had a very cold and dispassionate view to violence.
- 23:42Speaker 4: It was a tool to get what you wanted, just
- 23:45Speaker 4: in the way that an artist would look at a
- 23:47Speaker 4: pencil or that a race car driver would look at
- 23:50Speaker 4: a steering wheel. It was just something you used to
- 23:52Speaker 4: get you what you wanted with the path of least resistance.
- 23:56Speaker 6: One of the psychodynamics of people who later on become,
- 24:00Speaker 6: in their mind, powerful and invincible is a need to
- 24:05Speaker 6: be effective, is a need to quiet that little voice
- 24:08Speaker 6: that says you're nothing, you're poor, you're stupid, you're unloved
- 24:13Speaker 6: by your mother. There's a big hole there to work
- 24:16Speaker 6: for the mafia. You're going to be wealthy, you're going
- 24:19Speaker 6: to be respected, you're going to be important, you're going
- 24:22Speaker 6: to be protected and invincible. And I think all of
- 24:26Speaker 6: that worked to repair the certainly damaged psyche of Richard Kuklinski.
- 24:34Speaker 1: Through organized crime, Kuklinski was able to make money as
- 24:37Speaker 1: an intimidator, a job at which he proved very effective.
- 24:41Speaker 1: His mafia employers saw his potential and soon offered him
- 24:45Speaker 1: an opportunity to join the big leagues as a hitman.
- 24:51Speaker 4: One of the first killings he did for a crime
- 24:53Speaker 4: lord was where that crime lord had picked a man
- 24:55Speaker 4: at random in the street who was out walking his dog,
- 24:58Speaker 4: and Kuklinski had to approach him from behind and shoot
- 25:01Speaker 4: him in the head at point-blank range. He claimed no
- 25:04Speaker 4: remorse at all over this killing because it served a
- 25:07Speaker 4: purpose to prove to the crime boss that he was worthy.
- 25:11Speaker 6: One of the diagnostic criteria of these personality disorders is
- 25:15Speaker 6: lack of empathy. They don't feel.
- 25:18Speaker 9: They have ice water in their veins.
- 25:20Speaker 3: He started making his bones with some wise guys in
- 25:25Speaker 3: New York City and hung out at the Gemini Lounge
- 25:28Speaker 3: with a fellow by the name of Roy DeMeo, who
- 25:31Speaker 3: was a made guy. And Kuklinski and him would meet
- 25:34Speaker 3: at the Gemini Lounge. They cut up bodies in there
- 25:36Speaker 3: and just got rid of people. He developed into a
- 25:39Speaker 3: one-man wrecking crew that you had to really be careful
- 25:42Speaker 3: because you look at him wrong and he would kill you.
- 25:48Speaker 1: But what fulfillment was Kuklinski getting as a killer for
- 25:51Speaker 1: the mob?
- 25:53Speaker 6: Being involved with the mafia is being involved with a
- 25:58Speaker 6: very protective group very, very powerful family. Richard never was
- 26:05Speaker 6: a valuable member of his own family. He was discarded.
- 26:09Speaker 6: He was worthless. He was abused. He wasn't emotionally connected.
- 26:12Speaker 2: To his mother.
- 26:14Speaker 6: This satisfied that hole in his psyche.
- 26:23Speaker 1: Was Kotlinski's desire to live the American dream with Barbara
- 26:27Speaker 1: the reason he became a hitman for the New York mob?
- 26:30Speaker 1: Or was he always destined to be a killer? It's
- 26:39Speaker 1: hard for him to forget those terrible poverty years, his
- 26:42Speaker 1: abusive mom. So no wonder he's working day and night
- 26:46Speaker 1: to try and make a living.
- 26:47Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely.
- 26:48Speaker 8: And I think because he'd learned to be so self-reliant
- 26:51Speaker 8: and stand on his own two feet, that when he
- 26:53Speaker 8: got the opportunity to work, be that legitimately or illegitimately,
- 26:57Speaker 8: he would grasp it with both hands.
- 26:59Speaker 1: The one thing that's interesting about his time in the
- 27:01Speaker 1: porno industry is he's proved to be a reliable, he's
- 27:04Speaker 1: proved to be consistent, self-sufficient, and that begins to make
- 27:07Speaker 1: connections and impress people around him.
- 27:09Speaker 8: He's a safe pair of hands, isn't he? You can
- 27:11Speaker 8: give him a job and he'll do it no questions asked,
- 27:14Speaker 8: and that's exactly what the mafia are looking for.
- 27:17Speaker 1: History hasn't quite decided when he committed his first mafia hit,
- 27:21Speaker 1: But I'm persuaded about the request they asked him to
- 27:23Speaker 1: kill a stranger in cold blood, which he did.
- 27:26Speaker 9: Yeah, and that.
- 27:27Speaker 8: Suggests to me that this is somebody who is quite objective,
- 27:30Speaker 8: quite emotionally disconnected, someone for whom violence is business, it's
- 27:34Speaker 8: a transaction.
- 27:35Speaker 1: What impact does the behaviour of his mother have on
- 27:38Speaker 1: his new calling as a hitman?
- 27:39Speaker 8: I think his mother's behaviour has quite a significant impact
- 27:43Speaker 8: here because she's somebody who's perpetrated physical violence against him.
- 27:48Speaker 8: She's been part of that learning process that violence is
- 27:51Speaker 8: the way to get things done.
- 27:53Speaker 9: He is the ultimate killing machine.
- 27:58Speaker 1: Kuklinski had become a dangerous and violent individual, committing murder
- 28:03Speaker 1: after murder without remorse.
- 28:07Speaker 3: He loved evilness. He loved to hurt people. He was
- 28:10Speaker 3: in a pool hall where somebody was really getting on him,
- 28:14Speaker 3: and what he did was... took that pooled stick, took
- 28:18Speaker 3: him outside, and beat him to death and got rid
- 28:20Speaker 3: of him.
- 28:21Speaker 1: He disposed of his victims' corpses in many ways. He'd
- 28:25Speaker 1: have them crushed in car boots at junkyards. And he'd
- 28:29Speaker 1: even put bodies in oil drums that he filled with concrete.
- 28:32Speaker 3: Once Rigor Mortis said if he would use a chainsaw
- 28:35Speaker 3: to chop their limbs to get them in a barrel,
- 28:38Speaker 3: he thought this was all funny, no problems.
- 28:46Speaker 1: With his blood money for murder, Kuklinski moved his family
- 28:49Speaker 1: to this house in Dumont, New Jersey. He'd escaped poverty
- 28:54Speaker 1: and was finally living the American dream.
- 28:57Speaker 5: Richard Kuklinski lived in a middle-caste neighborhood. Family was his refuge.
- 29:02Speaker 5: He claimed it was the most important thing in his
- 29:04Speaker 5: life to him.
- 29:04Speaker 7: He wanted his kids to be successful and to have
- 29:07Speaker 7: a life protected from the underside of life that he knew.
- 29:12Speaker 7: He wanted to create a lifestyle for his wife and
- 29:15Speaker 7: children diametrically opposed to what he had experienced.
- 29:20Speaker 1: How did he manage his life as a family man
- 29:23Speaker 1: and his career as a contract killer?
- 29:26Speaker 2: He was completely untroubled by his criminal acts.
- 29:29Speaker 5: He would re-enter his family life like nothing happened, say
- 29:33Speaker 5: nothing to anyone. And yet he had left a trail
- 29:37Speaker 5: of chaos and destruction behind him, maybe outcasts.
- 29:40Speaker 2: Before. Completely separate personality.
- 29:44Speaker 1: Having realized the American dream, Kuklinski now recognized that to
- 29:48Speaker 1: hold on to it, he had to keep bringing in
- 29:50Speaker 1: the cold, hard cash.
- 29:52Speaker 5: He was attracted to the criminal element for fast money,
- 29:57Speaker 5: and he knew people. because the area he had grown
- 30:00Speaker 5: up in was a tough area, and some of those.
- 30:02Speaker 2: People that were there were involved in criminal activities.
- 30:05Speaker 1: Kuklinski was clearly ambitious, and in his pursuit of wealth,
- 30:08Speaker 1: he didn't just work for the mafia. He developed his
- 30:11Speaker 1: own crew and was known as a fence for stolen
- 30:14Speaker 1: goods and as a fixer who could get his hands
- 30:17Speaker 1: on anything. Known on the streets as Big Rich, he
- 30:20Speaker 1: would take every opportunity to make more cash.
- 30:23Speaker 4: He does say that it was purely instrumental. He was
- 30:26Speaker 4: killing for money because he had a family and children
- 30:29Speaker 4: and a house to support and he was doing it
- 30:31Speaker 4: for the financial purposes. But then on other times he
- 30:34Speaker 4: said that he actually enjoyed the thrill of the hunt.
- 30:37Speaker 4: He says that what got him juiced was not the
- 30:40Speaker 4: killing itself but the hunting down of the victim and
- 30:43Speaker 4: making everything fall into place for that kill.
- 30:47Speaker 6: I think after a while it became so routine for him,
- 30:50Speaker 6: so reflexive for him, It was just what he did.
- 30:55Speaker 6: I think what he did enjoy was the sense of power.
- 31:00Speaker 1: For 30 years, Richard Kuklinski was a career killer. Not
- 31:05Speaker 1: only did he take contracts from the mafia, he also
- 31:08Speaker 1: committed his own murders, luring victims with the promise of
- 31:12Speaker 1: cheap contraband and then killing them for the cash.
- 31:15Speaker 2: They were carrying.
- 31:17Speaker 1: But after decades of murder and hundreds of victims... How
- 31:21Speaker 1: was it possible for him to evade the police?
- 31:25Speaker 5: Kuklinski was unlike anything we had ever faced. I use
- 31:28Speaker 5: the word diabolical, but he was also methodical, and he
- 31:32Speaker 5: was also extremely smart. He was committing these crimes like
- 31:35Speaker 5: a chameleon killer. He would kill, go back into a
- 31:39Speaker 5: normal family environment, and no one would know the difference.
- 31:43Speaker 3: He didn't look like a serial killer. He was a
- 31:45Speaker 3: family man. His wife was afraid. He controlled her. He
- 31:48Speaker 3: controlled the kids. And that's the way life was.
- 31:52Speaker 2: His methods were varied. His victims were varied.
- 31:56Speaker 5: His techniques in killing people were the most varied that
- 32:00Speaker 5: we really ever encountered. He shot victims, he strangled victims,
- 32:03Speaker 5: he stabbed victims.
- 32:06Speaker 1: His changing murder methods made it difficult for the police
- 32:09Speaker 1: to make a connection between Kuklinski and his victims. But
- 32:14Speaker 1: one technique he used really caught the attention of detectives.
- 32:19Speaker 1: He poisoned a victim's hamburger.
- 32:21Speaker 5: To use cyanide on someone's food and then watch them
- 32:26Speaker 5: die is a particularly heinous type of conduct.
- 32:30Speaker 7: He learned about cyanide poisoning from a Mr. Softee guy
- 32:34Speaker 7: who sold ice cream to the kids from Jersey City.
- 32:37Speaker 7: And this particular guy was very disturbed, and he was
- 32:41Speaker 7: a chemistry buff, and that's how Kuklinski was able to
- 32:44Speaker 7: obtain cyanide.
- 32:46Speaker 1: Kotlinski later admitted not only to putting cyanide in his
- 32:49Speaker 1: victim's food, but also spraying it in liquid form with
- 32:54Speaker 1: equally fatal results.
- 32:55Speaker 3: When I'm reading this information about the cyanide and everything,
- 32:59Speaker 3: if it gets in your epidermis, kiss your ass goodbye,
- 33:02Speaker 3: there's no one around. Listen, I'm dealing with bad guys.
- 33:06Speaker 3: I dealt with all five families in organized crime. Nobody
- 33:11Speaker 3: went around and used poisons.
- 33:15Speaker 1: With New York police now looking for a dangerous cyanide killer,
- 33:19Speaker 1: Kuklinski became very cautious, bordering on the paranoid.
- 33:24Speaker 5: He did not socialize with others unless they were specifically
- 33:28Speaker 5: involved in a criminal scheme. Of course, that was a
- 33:31Speaker 5: diminishing element because after they were involved in the scheme,
- 33:34Speaker 5: he would kill them.
- 33:36Speaker 1: Kuklinski had become so paranoid that he'd started to murder
- 33:40Speaker 1: his business associates and anyone who could link him to
- 33:43Speaker 1: a serious crime.
- 33:46Speaker 3: He would kill you in a heartbeat. He'd turn on
- 33:48Speaker 3: you in a heartbeat. He's there to make money, and
- 33:51Speaker 3: that is it.
- 33:54Speaker 1: Even though Kuklinski was incredibly cautious, he would eventually make
- 33:58Speaker 1: one mistake that would finally link him to one of
- 34:01Speaker 1: his unfortunate victims.
- 34:05Speaker 3: September of 81.
- 34:06Speaker 5: He murders an individual who met him for a supposed
- 34:13Speaker 5: business deal.
- 34:14Speaker 2: Kuklinski shot him twice.
- 34:16Speaker 5: And took his van, dumped his van, and then took
- 34:19Speaker 5: the body and stored the body in his garage in
- 34:22Speaker 5: North Bergen, New Jersey for approximately two years. He had
- 34:26Speaker 5: it kept in the back of an ice cream truck.
- 34:29Speaker 1: Oklinski had frozen the body in order to confuse the
- 34:32Speaker 1: police about when the victim was actually killed.
- 34:36Speaker 3: They find the body and it looked like the person
- 34:39Speaker 3: was dead for a week. He didn't decompose. Had the
- 34:43Speaker 3: same exact clothes on when they found him two years
- 34:46Speaker 3: later when they did the autopsy. They found ice crystals
- 34:52Speaker 3: and they knew something was wrong.
- 34:54Speaker 1: The police looked into where the frozen victim had been
- 34:57Speaker 1: going when he disappeared. It emerged he was on his
- 35:00Speaker 1: way to meet Big Rich. Now the police had a
- 35:04Speaker 1: name for their killer. They dubbed him the Iceman. With
- 35:16Speaker 1: a murderous career spanning almost 30 years, what motivated Richard
- 35:20Speaker 1: Kuklinski to kill? And how did he get away with
- 35:22Speaker 1: it for so long? I think one of the key
- 35:30Speaker 1: lessons he learns from his mother is how to live,
- 35:32Speaker 1: you know, distinct and parallel lives. At home, mother was
- 35:34Speaker 1: a monster, abusive, destructive and damaging. And of course, outside,
- 35:39Speaker 1: she was the paragon of Catholic respectability, dressed and performing
- 35:43Speaker 1: the role. And I think this is somebody who he became.
- 35:46Speaker 1: He was a respectable family man, apparently presenting this as
- 35:49Speaker 1: the American dream on one side. And then the other,
- 35:51Speaker 1: he was the brutal, callous, incredibly proficient and prolific hitman.
- 35:55Speaker 8: And this is absolutely something that he's learned from his mother,
- 35:58Speaker 8: isn't it? You know, that on the outside, you can
- 36:00Speaker 8: appear to be normal and functioning and complying with what
- 36:04Speaker 8: society expects, but go behind closed doors and you see
- 36:07Speaker 8: something completely different.
- 36:08Speaker 1: Well, reflecting back on his childhood, he learned to be autonomous, self-sufficient,
- 36:11Speaker 1: but also he knew what he didn't know. And so
- 36:14Speaker 1: he was happy to educate himself in new areas and
- 36:17Speaker 1: new techniques. And that also protected him.
- 36:19Speaker 3: It did.
- 36:20Speaker 8: And he learned from his mother and his father that
- 36:22Speaker 8: he couldn't rely on other people.
- 36:24Speaker 9: He couldn't trust other people.
- 36:25Speaker 8: So he had to carry around all of this knowledge
- 36:28Speaker 8: in his own head. And he had to educate himself
- 36:30Speaker 8: as the best ways to carry out his business.
- 36:34Speaker 9: So he was a one-man killing machine.
- 36:36Speaker 1: If he hadn't had such a chaotic childhood, I don't
- 36:39Speaker 1: think he would have been able to plan his murders
- 36:41Speaker 1: so conscientiously as he did.
- 36:42Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the two are linked in a
- 36:44Speaker 8: way because of that real lack of control over his
- 36:47Speaker 8: environment as a young child and as an adolescent.
- 36:50Speaker 9: And then this.
- 36:51Speaker 8: Intense control, not only over his killing, but over his
- 36:56Speaker 8: family and the control that he exerted over his wife
- 36:58Speaker 8: and her behaviour. So he's a very controlling adult. At
- 37:02Speaker 8: this point in his life, he wants to be judged
- 37:04Speaker 8: as a middle-class American, not a hitman.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Coming up, Kuklinski's secret world as a hitman is finally
- 37:13Speaker 1: exposed by undercover cops.
- 37:15Speaker 3: He told me how he murdered the people and what
- 37:18Speaker 3: he did with the bodies and how he enjoyed doing it.
- 37:23Speaker 1: Richard Kuklinski was one of America's most notorious contract killers.
- 37:27Speaker 1: He had links with some of the biggest mafia families
- 37:30Speaker 1: in New York and for almost 30 years eluded law
- 37:33Speaker 1: enforcement with his varied murder techniques which included shooting, stabbing
- 37:38Speaker 1: and even cyanide. By 1984, the name Big Rich was
- 37:43Speaker 1: known to the police. Kuklinski became their prime suspect in
- 37:48Speaker 1: Operation Iceman. Undercover operative Dominic Polifrone was tasked with gathering
- 37:55Speaker 1: evidence on Big Rich.
- 37:58Speaker 3: They needed direct evidence from Kuklinski's mouth to tell Dominic Polifrone,
- 38:02Speaker 3: also known as Dominic Provenzano, how he murdered these people.
- 38:07Speaker 3: And if you think that's easy, you're wrong.
- 38:12Speaker 1: Polifone's plan was to get close to Kuklinski. He started
- 38:16Speaker 1: hanging out at a place called The Store, a venue
- 38:19Speaker 1: that Big Rich was rumoured to frequent. He posed as
- 38:22Speaker 1: an underworld killer, a wise guy and a gangster, just
- 38:26Speaker 1: like Kuklinski.
- 38:28Speaker 3: I pulled up and I had a black Mark IV Lincoln,
- 38:31Speaker 3: beautiful car, my leather jacket and monies and rings and
- 38:36Speaker 3: all that. I had to start hanging out at the store,
- 38:39Speaker 3: let them feel comfortable, which... After a while, they did.
- 38:42Speaker 3: They felt very comfortable with me, and then things started rolling.
- 38:48Speaker 1: But it wasn't easy to get a face-to-face sit-down with
- 38:51Speaker 1: the elusive Big Rich.
- 38:54Speaker 3: Kuklinski was avoiding the place because he knew the cops
- 38:57Speaker 3: were looking for him.
- 39:00Speaker 1: Finally, after 18 months undercover, Kuklinski arranged to meet Polifrone
- 39:05Speaker 1: to discuss some business.
- 39:07Speaker 5: Kuklinski was intrigued because here's a guy that was supposed
- 39:09Speaker 5: to be as bad as he was. who was willing
- 39:12Speaker 5: to buy things and sell things just like he was.
- 39:17Speaker 1: Polifrone met Kuklinski at a local donut shop and managed
- 39:21Speaker 1: to gain his confidence. Their sting was now on.
- 39:25Speaker 4: You know, there's another thing we talked about that I
- 39:29Speaker 4: spoke to.
- 39:31Speaker 1: With his guard down, Kuklinski then engaged in numerous conversations
- 39:35Speaker 1: with Polifrone in which he admitted to several murders. These
- 39:39Speaker 1: conversations were secretly recorded.
- 39:41Speaker 6: I saw that he's the quickest.
- 39:45Speaker 3: The guy tripped and stumbled. He told me how he
- 39:55Speaker 3: murdered the people and what he did with the bodies
- 39:59Speaker 3: and how he enjoyed doing it.
- 40:04Speaker 1: Polifron now was ready to close the net on the Iceman.
- 40:08Speaker 1: He had to act fast because he knew that Kuklinski
- 40:10Speaker 1: would soon have him in his sights. On the morning
- 40:15Speaker 1: of the 17th of December in 1986, the police surrounded
- 40:19Speaker 1: Kuklinski's neighbourhood, ready to make the arrest.
- 40:23Speaker 2: Police cars closed in, and he tried to evade us.
- 40:26Speaker 5: He jumped a curb, went on a lawn, tried to
- 40:28Speaker 5: drive away, and we apprehended him.
- 40:31Speaker 2: They pulled him out of the car. He had a
- 40:32Speaker 2: loaded gun under the seat, and he was arrested.
- 40:35Speaker 1: It took five officers to wrestle the Iceman to the ground.
- 40:40Speaker 1: Now in custody, Kuklinski would have to answer for his
- 40:43Speaker 1: vicious crimes.
- 40:46Speaker 3: This is on wire in here.
- 40:48Speaker 4: Unnecessary. These guys watch too many movies.
- 40:53Speaker 3: You want to see what the devil is? You want
- 40:55Speaker 3: to see Satan? Well, there he is. Here's Kuklinski, Satan himself,
- 41:01Speaker 3: going before the judge. Bad, bold, and mean. And the
- 41:05Speaker 3: judge kookumized asked, Mr. Kuklinski, why? Kuklinski's answer, strictly business,
- 41:12Speaker 3: Your Honor. Strictly business.
- 41:15Speaker 7: That's how he reframed it. This was not personal. He
- 41:18Speaker 7: wasn't killing people because he had a beef with them.
- 41:20Speaker 7: This is the job that he was good at, and
- 41:23Speaker 7: that's how he.
- 41:24Speaker 2: Made a living.
- 41:26Speaker 1: In 1988, Richard Kuklinski was convicted of five murders and
- 41:30Speaker 1: received consecutive life sentences. He had no hope of ever
- 41:34Speaker 1: getting out of prison. Later, he admitted to killing up
- 41:38Speaker 1: to 250 people. But was Kuklinski born to kill, or
- 41:43Speaker 1: was his mother responsible for his career as a prolific
- 41:46Speaker 1: contract killer?
- 41:48Speaker 6: The causes of psychopathy, of antisocial criminal behavior, are multivaried.
- 41:57Speaker 6: The best we can come up with is nature and nurture.
- 42:01Speaker 6: A child could be born with these kinds of things,
- 42:04Speaker 6: raised in the right family, and grow up to be
- 42:07Speaker 6: a decorated police officer, a hero, a war hero, but
- 42:12Speaker 6: something turned the switch for Richard, and it might have
- 42:16Speaker 6: been the violence and the abuse he saw in his family.
- 42:20Speaker 4: Kuklinski's childhood showed him that violence can exist with an
- 42:24Speaker 4: absence of emotion. I think the way his mum was
- 42:28Speaker 4: able to manage the family and to work around a
- 42:31Speaker 4: violent father is partially responsible. Klinsky's adult attitudes to violence.
- 42:39Speaker 4: Not only did she enable and facilitate a violent man
- 42:43Speaker 4: to rule over a family, but she was able to
- 42:47Speaker 4: make it okay to have no emotions about violence. By
- 42:51Speaker 4: trying to protect him as a child by removing all
- 42:54Speaker 4: of those emotions, she actually might have made him a
- 42:57Speaker 4: more efficient person who could kill and torture individuals more
- 43:01Speaker 4: readily without worrying about it or thinking about it. because
- 43:05Speaker 4: it wasn't his natural state to actually think about the emotions.
- 43:12Speaker 1: How did Kuklinski manage to operate so successfully for so
- 43:15Speaker 1: many years? And how crucial was his mother's role in
- 43:18Speaker 1: his choice to become one of the world's most prolific
- 43:22Speaker 1: contract killers? Was he a natural born killer who would
- 43:31Speaker 1: have gone on to kill even if money wasn't involved?
- 43:34Speaker 8: I think Kuklinski is somebody who is desensitised to violence,
- 43:38Speaker 8: who is going to use violence to.
- 43:40Speaker 9: Get what he needs in life.
- 43:42Speaker 8: And I think if he feels threatened by somebody, if
- 43:45Speaker 8: they are standing in the way of him getting what
- 43:47Speaker 8: he wants, then he would kill them.
- 43:49Speaker 1: Liz, for a psychopath who killed so easily, he still
- 43:53Speaker 1: shows great emotional distress and apparent empathy when he's separated
- 43:56Speaker 1: from his family and sent to jail.
- 43:58Speaker 9: Well, I think his family is what gives him status.
- 44:01Speaker 8: And I think he's quite different from other multiple murderers
- 44:05Speaker 8: because they get their status and their prestige from the
- 44:07Speaker 8: murders that they carry out.
- 44:09Speaker 9: I don't think that's the case with Kuklinski.
- 44:11Speaker 8: I think he was constantly pursuing and chasing this American dream.
- 44:14Speaker 8: He'd achieved it. He had a nice, pretty family, you know,
- 44:18Speaker 8: a nice, big house. And it's removal from that that
- 44:22Speaker 8: affects him.
- 44:23Speaker 1: I think his mother gave him the perfect skill set.
- 44:25Speaker 1: The abuse at home was the perfect apprenticeship for the
- 44:29Speaker 1: contract killer he became.
- 44:30Speaker 8: Yeah, it's that idea of that dual personality appearing to
- 44:35Speaker 8: be normal and functional and healthy on the outside, but
- 44:38Speaker 8: actually how you're getting there is incredibly abnormal and deviant.
- 44:43Speaker 8: But I think another thing that his mother and his
- 44:45Speaker 8: father contribute is perhaps that biological element, that switching off
- 44:51Speaker 8: of his humanity.
- 44:53Speaker 1: To what extent should his mother take responsibility?
- 44:55Speaker 8: Well, I think his mother built some very firm foundations.
- 44:59Speaker 9: Upon which you could construct a multiple murderer.
- 45:03Speaker 1: Finally, on 5th March 2006, at the age of 70,
- 45:08Speaker 1: Richard Kuklinski was found dead in his prison cell.
- 45:12Speaker 5: Now that Richard Kuklinski is dead, we will probably never
- 45:15Speaker 5: know in law enforcement exactly how many people he killed.
- 45:18Speaker 5: We know it was a lot, and we know we
- 45:20Speaker 5: stopped him from killing more, but we don't know the
- 45:22Speaker 5: exact number.
- 45:24Speaker 1: He was scheduled to testify against the Gambino Mafia family,
- 45:28Speaker 1: and his death is still considered suspicious. Richard Kuklinski was
- 45:35Speaker 1: one of the most notorious hitmen the world has ever seen.
- 45:39Speaker 1: His brutal upbringing undoubtedly warped his perceptions, but it's also
- 45:44Speaker 1: tragically clear that his own mother gave him the tools
- 45:46Speaker 1: and skill set to become the callous contract killer known
- 45:50Speaker 1: as the Iceman.
- 45:53Speaker 3: All I know for a fact is that I'm still kicking,
- 45:56Speaker 3: I'm still walking, and he's dead. He's got the pennies
- 45:59Speaker 3: on his eyes.