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Body Bags With Joseph Scott Morgan | 5-year-old Finds Mom, Dad, Shot To Death in Bed: Teen Sister Accused of Murders!cbhuilieriidggtbfvkvnvbgrklfbvtbufffevid · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body diets. But Joseph's gotten more. You know, there are
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Speaker 1: certain states around the country where you can't really figure
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Speaker 1: out where one ends and the other begins. I've been
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Speaker 1: to a lot of those locations, and no words were
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Speaker 1: ever truer regarding the boundaries between rural Georgia and rural Alabama.
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Speaker 1: There is a road that drifts off into the west,
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Speaker 1: coming out of the town or around the area of Carrollton, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: heads for the Georgia Alabama border. And look, if you
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Speaker 1: cross the border from one state and to the other,
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Speaker 1: you couldn't really tell where, you know, if you were
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Speaker 1: still in one state as opposed to the other. But
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes on those lonely roads like that, some
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Speaker 1: of the most intriguing and curious cases happen. And that's
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Speaker 1: kind of a comment toward people that think only cool
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Speaker 1: cases are really interesting cases happen in big cities because
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Speaker 1: they don't today on body bags. I want to offer
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Speaker 1: a comment on a case that has happened in one
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Speaker 1: such location, in a little town that's not really on
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Speaker 1: a map. It's unincorporated. The name of the town is
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Speaker 1: called tis Tis, Georgia, and along this stretch of roadway
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Speaker 1: bordered by pulpwood pines. A double homicide has taken place,
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Speaker 1: and a young woman is about to go on trial.
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Speaker 1: She's been accused of the murder of both her mother
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Speaker 1: and her stepfather. I'm Joseph gott Morgan and this is
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Speaker 1: body Bags. You know, Dave in saying what I had
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Speaker 1: just commented on the opening, It's amazing how many people
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Speaker 1: will say they hear about some kind of horrible crime
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Speaker 1: and it happens in some far forlong rural area and
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Speaker 1: they'll say, I just can't believe that happened here. And
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Speaker 1: my answer to that is the fact is that humans
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Speaker 1: are humans no matter where you go. It's just that
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Speaker 1: you get a tighter concentration of things, a greater frequency
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Speaker 1: in you know, in large urban areas. But violence persist
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Speaker 1: everywhere you go, or the potential, let me put it
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Speaker 1: to you that way, the potential for violence and horror
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Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things, and no more so
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Speaker 1: than in the case of the accused Sarah Grace Patrick
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about today. Brother.
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Speaker 2: You know, when this story first broke, it got a
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Speaker 2: lot of attention, you know, from a lot of different sources.
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Speaker 2: You and I talked about it We talked about it
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Speaker 2: on several different shows because it is one of those
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Speaker 2: things that you look at and go how, you know
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Speaker 2: how and what went on because you actually have a
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Speaker 2: behind closed door story here. You know you've got a
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Speaker 2: you have a blended family, and blended families, blended families
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Speaker 2: at their best are odd. You know they really are,
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Speaker 2: because you never know the inner workings oftentimes, and this
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Speaker 2: is I don't know that this is the case here,
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Speaker 2: but you know, whenever you have a parent, biological mom, stepparent, yep,
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Speaker 2: you know, biological father, there are going to be issues.
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Speaker 2: Even under the best of circumstances, there will be issues.
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Speaker 2: But as a child, and you and I both know
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Speaker 2: this on a personal level being raised in that environment,
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Speaker 2: a lot of times as a child, you suck it
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Speaker 2: up for the sake of peace in the family. You
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Speaker 2: don't say things that you would normally, that you would
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Speaker 2: say if they were both your biological mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: And the same is true with them. They treat things
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Speaker 2: much to it. It's just a different thing because everybody
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Speaker 2: is protecting everyone else, it seems.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. You kind of divide up into these
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Speaker 1: camps and listen, I got to tell you personally, I
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Speaker 1: grew up in the environment, and as an adult, I'm
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Speaker 1: part of the environment as well. You know, Kim and I.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've got a blended family. And it's it's
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Speaker 1: not just that dynamic that you're in the household with
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Speaker 1: day in and day out. It's also that added ingredient
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Speaker 1: of all the external stressors that come about with exes
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Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things. And they're the exes
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Speaker 1: extended family and you know who thinks this about this?
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Speaker 1: And you know, all that sort of stuff, That dynamic
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Speaker 1: and it's a weird kind of kind of circumstance. And
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Speaker 1: then when you have a child born into the environment
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Speaker 1: that is becomes a half half. Yeah. Yeah, it's that
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Speaker 1: dynamic is so incredibly bizarre. And then you throw on
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Speaker 1: top of it teenage hood, uh into that environment. You know. Uh,
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Speaker 1: My my wife taught. My wife taught middle school for
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Speaker 1: for years and years, and she she used to say,
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Speaker 1: you will never come across creature on the face of planet.
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Speaker 1: That's that's more trying of the soul, uh than a
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Speaker 1: middle grade girl era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she would say,
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Speaker 1: you know, boys are just boys. You know, they're going
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Speaker 1: to tear stuff up they're gonna flimbal stuff, They're gonna
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Speaker 1: do stupid things. But and you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting dynamic. It certainly is. But Dave, I've
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Speaker 1: never we cover a lot of stuff. I don't recall
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Speaker 1: a case like this that has come to this level
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Speaker 1: of violence where you've got a well she was a
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Speaker 1: child at the time, sixteen, that was sixteen years old,
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Speaker 1: that is being accused of something that is this heinous man.
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Speaker 2: Well this Jamie and Kristen Brock were Actually they were
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Speaker 2: the poster parents for blended families. A lot of people
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Speaker 2: looked up to them. Now they have in their history
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Speaker 2: like we all do, dancing skeletons in the closet. And
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Speaker 2: I will tell you that it's difficult to get past
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Speaker 2: your past if you keep holding onto it. You know,
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Speaker 2: you have to put it in a You got to
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Speaker 2: leave the past where it belongs and move on on.
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Speaker 2: The problem is that not everybody can do that, especially
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Speaker 2: and you mentioned it the extended family of the blended family.
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Speaker 2: And so if you did something when you were a
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Speaker 2: twenty five year old man, and now it's fifteen years later,
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Speaker 2: you're forty and you've cleaned up your acts, You've got
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Speaker 2: a great job and a great family. You're respected in
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Speaker 2: the community and in church. You're very active and volunteering
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Speaker 2: for everything. Somebody's still going to say, yeah, but I
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Speaker 2: remember when I remember when you were twenty five, Dave,
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Speaker 2: and you got naked at that company Christmas party and
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Speaker 2: you were making photocopies of.
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Speaker 3: Your genitals work for everybody.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mary time you got your cookup of stuff
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Speaker 2: of your nose.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm there.
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Speaker 2: I mean that you always have that, and so in
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Speaker 2: this case we have some of that going on. But
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Speaker 2: I pulled up one of the first reports that we
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Speaker 2: did on this on Nancy Grace, and this is what
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Speaker 2: I said. Jamie Brock and Kristen Brock are the couple
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Speaker 2: other family members look up to. They're a blended family,
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Speaker 2: each having children from other relationships Kristin. Kristin's sixteen year
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Speaker 2: old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is living in the home
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Speaker 2: as Jamie and Kristen welcome their own little girl, completing
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Speaker 2: the yours mine in our scenario. Through all their happiness,
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Speaker 2: the Brocks have a dark cloud hanging over their heads.
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Speaker 2: Jamie Brock, known for his big heart full of love,
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Speaker 2: also happens to have a weak heart and needs a
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Speaker 2: transplant soon if he wants to see his children grow up.
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Speaker 2: Waiting on a heart transplant doesn't slow Jamie down. His
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Speaker 2: son Tristan says most people don't even know that his
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Speaker 2: father has an Elvad device LVAD. It's a mechanical pump
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Speaker 2: that is implanted to support a failing heart's left ventricle.
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Speaker 2: It's used as a bridge to a transplant, and Jamie
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Speaker 2: Brock is hoping he gets a transplant soon. He's forty
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Speaker 2: five years old. Joe, talk to me about what that
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Speaker 2: means in his life, having that device.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's saddled, you know, And I take exception to
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Speaker 1: the idea that no one would know he has to
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Speaker 1: literally carry around a packet with him everywhere he goes,
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Speaker 1: or be plugged in to a monitor. And that comes
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Speaker 1: into play here as well. In this particular case. You know,
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Speaker 1: you've got this thing that you are boat anchor to
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Speaker 1: forever and ever, you know, dependent upon the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: have access to a heart, a viable heart that's going
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Speaker 1: to pair up with you. The left ventricle of the
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Speaker 1: heart does a tremendous amount of work, and so that
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Speaker 1: heart wall gets weakened, right, and so you have to
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Speaker 1: have this LVAD that stimulates the heart. That the term
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Speaker 1: LVAD actually stands for left ventricular assist device. So it
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Speaker 1: effectively works in the sense that it's it has to
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Speaker 1: be surgically implanted, okay, to assist the left ventricle, and
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Speaker 1: it's going to to prompt the heart to continue to
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Speaker 1: function appropriately. And the thing about it is is that
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Speaker 1: without this you would be I don't know, have you
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Speaker 1: ever heard the term dave? Have you ever heard the
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Speaker 1: term end stage? It's a medical term. Okay, so some
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Speaker 1: people get it confused with n stay in state. In
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Speaker 1: the case of an ELVAD, this is indicative of somebody
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Speaker 1: that is without it. They are in end E n
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Speaker 1: D stage all over. Yeah, it's all over, but the crime.
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Speaker 1: So he, you know, he kind of walks around with
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Speaker 1: this hanging over there. Can you imagine walking around day
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Speaker 1: to day with a reminder of your frailty, you know
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Speaker 1: at that age, Yeah, you know you're and you know,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy that's not ancient by any
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Speaker 1: years old. Joe's forty five, and you know he's he's
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Speaker 1: out living life, and you know, you always have this
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Speaker 1: remained reminder, you know, kind of hanging around always, and
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Speaker 1: there's always that sound of the monitor no matter where
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Speaker 1: you go. It's really hard to escape.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: There's an interesting thing written here, Joe. By the way,
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Speaker 2: the reason we're covering the story of Sarah Grace Patrick today.
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Speaker 2: The trial was scheduled to begin Monday, January fifth, but
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Speaker 2: they were waiting on one very specific report, and they
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Speaker 2: being the prosecution and the defense, and they didn't get
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Speaker 2: that report before the Christmas holiday break, and when they
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Speaker 2: had the they actually had a court meeting the first
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Speaker 2: or second week of December, and the judge said, hey,
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Speaker 2: is everybody right. It's a really truncated timetable here. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about they arrested her in July, Sarah Grace Patrick.
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Speaker 2: They arrested her for the double homicide of her mom
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Speaker 2: and stepfather. And here we are six months later, less
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Speaker 2: and they're saying, yeah, we're ready to go.
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Speaker 1: And well, I got to tell you this is kind
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Speaker 1: of interesting, David. This is something I don't that you
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Speaker 1: don't normally see with frequency. The judge in this particular
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Speaker 1: case has been very aggressive, like he's staying with what
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Speaker 1: has been termed as an aggressive timeline moving forward. And
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Speaker 1: one of the one of the fascinating things about this case,
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Speaker 1: and it's kind of drawn me to it. I literally
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Speaker 1: drive through this area with great frequency because my grandchildren
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Speaker 1: live over in Georgia, so I have to pass through
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Speaker 1: this area. And for any of you guys that followed
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Speaker 1: me on Instagram and you know those things like that,
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Speaker 1: you'll see that I am absolutely totally in love with
12:47
Speaker 1: my grandchildren. And right now we're coming off holidays. I've
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Speaker 1: got baby brain right now. Welcome, welcome, rest right now.
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Speaker 1: They'll be going back to school soon. Anyway, I digress. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, it really captured my imagination. Because this case
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Speaker 1: they have not released a tremendous amount of information. However,
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Speaker 1: I will tell you this. It happened in Carroll County, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is is that it's not
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Speaker 1: merely the Carroll County Sheriff's Office that's investigating this case.
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Speaker 1: It's also the GBI and the FBI. They've you know,
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Speaker 1: in this case. Out there on that stretch of road.
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Speaker 1: This is not something that you would that you're going
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Speaker 1: to see. I mean, it's so and the thing about it,
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Speaker 1: you know how I talked about concentration. Many times violence
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Speaker 1: seems a location seems more violent. I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of it has to do with population density. And when
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Speaker 1: I say you go through this area, you can go
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Speaker 1: a mile and not see a house. Wow, all right,
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Speaker 1: And it's that sparsely, you know, populated. There's not a
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Speaker 1: lot of concentration. So the idea that something like this
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Speaker 1: that has occurred in this location is it must be
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Speaker 1: because this is a real rural area. When you drive
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Speaker 1: through its pasture lands, some of the prettiest, prettiest countryside
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Speaker 1: you've ever seen. You're driving through there and you've got
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Speaker 1: cows and you've got horn, you know, and stuff like
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Speaker 1: this just doesn't happen out there, or it seems like
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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because there's not this
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Speaker 1: huge concentration of population. But Dave, I got to tell you,
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Speaker 1: how did kind of run it down to us about
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Speaker 1: how all this came about and people became aware of it.
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Speaker 2: You know, back to the geography. I always think of
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Speaker 2: traveling light from Atlanta to Birmingham on I twenty yeah,
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Speaker 2: straight shot, and you know, this is one of those areas.
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Speaker 2: As you arrived from Alabama into Georgia. You know, you've
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Speaker 2: got Carrollton. That's one of the first Tallapoosa Carrollton. And
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Speaker 2: so that's why I was wondering how that affected you
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Speaker 2: and your driving back and forth to Georgia, you know,
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Speaker 2: in that area. But on the morning of February twentieth,
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Speaker 2: and I'm talking about twenty twenty five. Again, this is
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Speaker 2: something that is so recent, it has not even been
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 1: And again back to the judge aggressive tomline.
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Speaker 2: Lady, Okay, I do have a question for you about
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Speaker 2: that in how it impacts you and what you do.
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Speaker 2: But February twentieth, early morning, five year old daughter of
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Speaker 2: Jamie and Kristen Brocken goes to her parents bedroom to
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Speaker 2: wake them up.
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Speaker 3: Now this is her mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: Remember how we talked about blended family yours mine hours.
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Speaker 2: She goes into their bedroom to wake them up because
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Speaker 2: they're usually up, and they're not. And when she goes
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Speaker 2: to her parents bedroom, what she sees is enough to
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Speaker 2: make her run away from the bedroom. Her sixteen year
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Speaker 2: old sister, Sarah Grace Patrick, grabs her in hey, what's
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Speaker 2: going on, goes and looks and immediately calls nine one one.
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Speaker 2: What the five year old discovered was her mother and
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Speaker 2: father dead in their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets.
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Speaker 2: On the phone with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells
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Speaker 2: the dispatcher the bodies are cold to the touch. Passed
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Speaker 2: the need to do CPR because that is the first
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Speaker 2: thing the nine one one operator wants.
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Speaker 1: To do, yeap.
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Speaker 3: That is, they want to know, can you do CPR?
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Speaker 2: And they'll talk you through it, and they're pretty persistent
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Speaker 2: about that about doing it, and which we've seen on
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Speaker 2: a number of occasions Joseph Scott Morgan where a suspect
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Speaker 2: in a crime I didn't really do it, you know,
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Speaker 2: or didn't give it there all, which is fascinating to
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Speaker 2: me when you're talking about a loved one that anyway.
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Speaker 1: So well, hey, look he immediately had an immediate recall
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Speaker 1: on Ellen.
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Speaker 3: Yep, that's what I was thinking about, you know, where.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's got a knife, you know, and
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Speaker 1: he's asking all these questions, you know, because nine one
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Speaker 1: one operator at that point in time up there in
17:42
Speaker 1: that case up in Philly, you know she didn't This
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Speaker 1: is not some big mystery. At that point, they're trying
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Speaker 1: to save the person's life and so you're going to
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Speaker 1: be asking the caller can you do nine one one?
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, you know that she would, you know,
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Speaker 1: have the presence of mind to say that the other
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Speaker 1: they're cold, they're cold. I found that, you know, kind
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Speaker 1: of kind of fascinating.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department on the scene within minutes,
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Speaker 2: began looking over the scene and you know that doesn't
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Speaker 2: there's no sign of a forced entry. There is a
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Speaker 2: door that does seem a bit a jar. But investigators
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Speaker 2: spent all day at the home, coming over the evident,
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Speaker 2: at the residents, looking for any evidence. They spoke to neighbors,
18:27
Speaker 2: and they looked at surveillance videos. The home ends up
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Speaker 2: surrounded by police cruisers. It's all roped off because they
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Speaker 2: don't know what they're looking at. They know, think about it.
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Speaker 2: The five year old discovered the bodies of her parents,
18:43
Speaker 2: and the sixteen year old daughter called police. Now there
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Speaker 2: is one tip here, Joe. And it's interesting because you know,
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Speaker 2: I said at the beginning that the family, this is
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Speaker 2: a family that people looked up to, you know, because
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Speaker 2: of how they had been able to blend their families
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Speaker 2: and the relationships between Sarah Grace Patrick and her mom
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Speaker 2: and stepfather. Well, after this happened, a few things came out.
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Speaker 3: One was, prior.
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Speaker 2: To any of this stuff happening, Jamie Brock actually was
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Speaker 2: talking to his niece, Kristen Dowda, and Kristen was going
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Speaker 2: on and on about how wonderful she thought Sarah was,
19:37
Speaker 2: you know, as a sixteen year old girl, and what
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Speaker 2: a great job you know, Jamie had done, you know,
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Speaker 2: with her. And Jamie actually tells Kristen Dowda that Sarah
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Speaker 2: is not what she seems to be, not what she
19:50
Speaker 2: appears to be to everybody else. He actually tells his
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Speaker 2: favorite niece, you don't see what I see. You don't
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Speaker 2: live in the home with her. So fast forward to
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Speaker 2: this taking place. Kristin Dauda, the niece remembers that cool. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So police are looking over the crime scene and they've
20:12
Speaker 2: got the investigators trying to figure out what could it
20:14
Speaker 2: possibly happened? Yeah, and now we've got Kristen data saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: she that Sarah Grace Patrick might not be the person
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Speaker 2: she appears to be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I got to tell you I've seen
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you had an opportunity. Day I
20:34
Speaker 1: was on Court TV with Vinnie Politan. I don't know
20:38
Speaker 1: how long ago. It was maybe months so ago, because
20:43
Speaker 1: they were they knew that this case was coming up,
20:45
Speaker 1: and Vinnie brought me on to talk about it. I
20:47
Speaker 1: got to see the images of the house and exterior images,
20:52
Speaker 1: and they may have had a floor plan too.
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Speaker 3: What did you think of it when you saw the exterimey.
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Speaker 1: Time, Well, it's its need, it's not you know, or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. It looks like it may have had
21:02
Speaker 1: an add on in the backside. It's kind of it's
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Speaker 1: it's typical of.
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Speaker 3: A rural home, a little home.
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Speaker 1: This is no mansion. I can't imagine that this thing
21:15
Speaker 1: is any larger than maybe eighteen hundred square feet perhaps.
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Speaker 1: And so you've got mom, dad, You've got a sixteen
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Speaker 1: year old, and you've got at the time a five
21:29
Speaker 1: year old, you know, living in this house. I don't
21:32
Speaker 1: know about you, but you know, if you hear things,
21:38
Speaker 1: you know when you live in proximity to one. There's
21:42
Speaker 1: nothing that's private in any of these environments. And what
21:45
Speaker 1: has always fascinated I say, always like it's gone on
21:49
Speaker 1: for a long long time. This is you know, from
21:51
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. But what really caught my ear and
21:56
Speaker 1: no pun intended. Here was the fact that this young
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Speaker 1: lady says that she didn't hear any gunshots during the night,
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Speaker 1: and Dave, this is you're talking about from the way
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Speaker 1: we have heard it. Hell is being unleashed in this room,
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Speaker 1: right okay? And you know my first thought was, okay, well,
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Speaker 1: if she's not involved with it, which they have accused
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Speaker 1: her of being involved in it, did someone come in
22:27
Speaker 1: with a suppressed weapon and who would target a middle
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Speaker 1: aged couple, including a man that is, as we've already established,
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Speaker 1: is infirmed to the point where he has to walk
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Speaker 1: around with this ELVAD on where he will die if
22:45
Speaker 1: he does not have this thing on.
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Speaker 3: He presents no real threat.
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Speaker 1: I can't I can't imagine, you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know the man personally. I never was face
22:57
Speaker 1: to face with him to have, you know, conversation with him.
23:00
Speaker 1: Generally with if you require an LVAD, there's a bit
23:05
Speaker 1: of fatigue, you know, that kind of comes about, as
23:08
Speaker 1: you can imagine, if the thing is not sufficient to
23:10
Speaker 1: the task, and also if there's any other kind of
23:13
Speaker 1: external you know, medical conditions that you might have that
23:17
Speaker 1: you know that it gets more and more complicated. So
23:21
Speaker 1: the point is is that I cannot see this guy
23:23
Speaker 1: being a threat, but it sounds you know, because they
23:27
Speaker 1: keep using the term multiple gunshot wounds, and again me,
23:32
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, this automatically goes to this is a
23:36
Speaker 1: semi automatic weapon that has been used in this particular case.
23:42
Speaker 1: If they are both in the bedroom, which it sounds
23:45
Speaker 1: like they are, I don't really know, and they haven't
23:48
Speaker 1: released this information. When we think about what's referred to
23:52
Speaker 1: as positionality, you know, the that can refer to two
23:55
Speaker 1: separate things in forensics, position if you've got multiple victims,
23:59
Speaker 1: position is relationship between two victims. And I'm talking about
24:04
Speaker 1: physical in a physical sense when you're observing the crime scene,
24:07
Speaker 1: and then you can have positionality relative to the perpetrator,
24:13
Speaker 1: the alleged perpetrator, as the shooter, you know, what was
24:15
Speaker 1: their position relative to the victim or the intended targets.
24:21
Speaker 1: So you're in a confined space, you've got this weapon
24:25
Speaker 1: that's going off multiple times. And for those of you
24:30
Speaker 1: that have never out there, that have never heard the
24:33
Speaker 1: report of let's just pick out a standard caliber, a
24:38
Speaker 1: nine to millimeter weapon that goes off in a small
24:43
Speaker 1: confined space. If you ever get a chance to go
24:46
Speaker 1: to an indoor firing range and you're on the shooting
24:51
Speaker 1: line with people, I wouldn't recommend this, but if you're
24:55
Speaker 1: in there and you don't have on your hearing protection,
24:58
Speaker 1: you get a sense of what it's like inside of
25:01
Speaker 1: an environment that's closed in when a weapon goes off.
25:06
Speaker 1: Just think about being in a tiny house and a
25:09
Speaker 1: weapon goes off multiple times. You're talking about with a
25:14
Speaker 1: non suppressed weapon. You're talking about repeated thunderclaps that would
25:20
Speaker 1: come in really tight succession to one another. It is
25:24
Speaker 1: enough to wake anybody up. What's fascinating is that when
25:32
Speaker 1: she gave statement, Sarah Grace Patrick, she stated that she
25:38
Speaker 1: did not hear gunshots. And that brings me to the
25:44
Speaker 1: five year old. Did the five year old hear gunshots?
25:48
Speaker 1: And we don't know. We know that the child has
25:51
Speaker 1: been interviewed, and it's really amazing what you can glean
25:54
Speaker 1: from a five year old. I mean, they don't hold
25:57
Speaker 1: back most of the time. If they know something, they're
26:00
Speaker 1: going to say something most of the time. If you
26:03
Speaker 1: have the right person in there conducting the interview with them,
26:07
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you, you know, God's honest truth about
26:10
Speaker 1: what you know. Gee, I woke up and you know,
26:14
Speaker 1: and I found mommy and Daddy deceased. Or yeah, I
26:18
Speaker 1: heard something scary last night. Okay, you heard something scary
26:21
Speaker 1: last night. Let's talk about that. What was that was?
26:24
Speaker 1: What was so scary about it? And then I was
26:26
Speaker 1: so afraid I didn't get back up out of it.
26:28
Speaker 1: I didn't get out of the bed. I just stayed
26:29
Speaker 1: in bed. So we don't really know what that dynamic
26:33
Speaker 1: is like at this point in time. Another interesting piece
26:37
Speaker 1: to this because Dave, you know, there's no signs of
26:40
Speaker 1: forced entry at this scene, no signs of forced entry
26:45
Speaker 1: at the scene. You've got this door that is unsecured.
26:51
Speaker 1: I think Sarah Patrick's biological father took a picture of
26:57
Speaker 1: the door, if I'm not mistaken, someone in her camp
26:59
Speaker 1: to picture of the door and posted it out there.
27:04
Speaker 1: And when you see it, now, you know you can't
27:07
Speaker 1: look at a picture and say, well, mechanically I can
27:10
Speaker 1: state that this was forced forced entry or this is
27:15
Speaker 1: the condition of the door, all right, which is an
27:18
Speaker 1: interesting thing in forensics we have to do. And just
27:21
Speaker 1: let me break this down for you. When you when
27:24
Speaker 1: you show up at a scene. You always have to
27:26
Speaker 1: understand that people's normal way of living is not necessarily
27:32
Speaker 1: your normal way of living. Okay, so I've been to
27:36
Speaker 1: I've been to scenes. I've been to scenes Dave where
27:39
Speaker 1: I would walk in and I would say, this place
27:43
Speaker 1: is a pigsty. It's horrible. I can't tell the difference.
27:47
Speaker 1: It was there actually a struggle in here, or is
27:51
Speaker 1: this the normal way that they're living? And I'm not
27:53
Speaker 1: saying that that was the condition of the interior of
27:55
Speaker 1: their house. What I'm saying, is this lock in particular,
27:58
Speaker 1: or this door, if it is compromised in some way,
28:02
Speaker 1: maybe it's been like that for a long long time.
28:04
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did somebody jimmy the lock in some way?
28:07
Speaker 1: Did somebody arrange it so that they could get access
28:10
Speaker 1: to it? How easy is it to defeat this lock?
28:13
Speaker 1: Did they commonly leave it locked? Or did they commonly
28:17
Speaker 1: leave it open?
28:18
Speaker 3: You know?
28:18
Speaker 1: What's the old adage about? Yeah, well, I remember growing
28:21
Speaker 1: up in a place where we always kept the doors unlocked,
28:24
Speaker 1: you know, so it's hard to stay you know, now
28:30
Speaker 1: what may have been the status of that door. But
28:33
Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence at the scene in regards
28:36
Speaker 1: to the door. Also the idea of going back into
28:40
Speaker 1: the bedroom and the they're talking about multiple gunshot woundes,
28:47
Speaker 1: so that means we've got multiple casings. There's going to
28:50
Speaker 1: be casings everywhere at the scene, and their distribution doesn't
28:57
Speaker 1: really play into this because you can't predict casing is
29:00
Speaker 1: going to bounce. What's going to be interesting is to
29:03
Speaker 1: try to understand the trajectory of the rounds. But the casings.
29:07
Speaker 1: The casings can in fact give you an indication of
29:11
Speaker 1: obviously the caliber of the weapon. The projectiles can give
29:15
Speaker 1: you a ballistic fingerprint about the weapon. But here's the problem.
29:23
Speaker 1: At this point, there ain't no weapon, Dave. One of
29:41
Speaker 1: the more troubling as if there's not a lot already,
29:43
Speaker 1: one of the more troubling aspects of this case is
29:46
Speaker 1: that they allegedly have not found a weapon. And my
29:57
Speaker 1: thought was this ought to be easy. When I first
30:00
Speaker 1: heard about the case, and before I knew that bit,
30:04
Speaker 1: my thought was, well, this is a sixteen year old.
30:09
Speaker 1: They're accusing her, They're saying she did it. How does
30:15
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old get access to the semi automatic handgun? Now,
30:19
Speaker 1: I know it happens all over the place, but that's
30:22
Speaker 1: a big reveal. It's not like a sixteen year old
30:24
Speaker 1: is going to walk into a gun store and say, yeah,
30:26
Speaker 1: I want that pink nine milimeter that you have there,
30:29
Speaker 1: you know, because those do exist. They I've also seen
30:31
Speaker 1: them in turquoise. You can get turquoise non milimeters. Come on,
30:36
Speaker 1: that's there, you go. But you know, that's a big
30:39
Speaker 1: piece that when you agree, Dave, it's like, how do
30:42
Speaker 1: you get access to this? And so I'm always thinking,
30:45
Speaker 1: you know, is it a familial connection? Did the family
30:50
Speaker 1: keep guns inside the house. My understanding is that, as
30:56
Speaker 1: much as I hate to say this, I think dad
30:59
Speaker 1: was convicted fell I don't think he could have weapons.
31:02
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Yeah? And that's fun.
31:05
Speaker 2: I was talking earlier about our past, you know, and
31:10
Speaker 2: many of us make decisions as we grow up that
31:15
Speaker 2: don't necessarily reflect the person we are now, but cause
31:20
Speaker 2: us problems. It happens, and so I go to the
31:25
Speaker 2: I go to this end of it. We're in an
31:28
Speaker 2: area in the southeastern part of the United States of
31:30
Speaker 2: America where having guns is not that big of a deal,
31:34
Speaker 2: and almost all of us have guns, but we have areas.
31:40
Speaker 2: I mean, we live in a rural environment, our most
31:43
Speaker 2: congested area. For people who live in Chicago, New York, LA.
31:48
Speaker 2: You know, our most congested area is your most rural area. Okay,
31:54
Speaker 2: it's really a different lifestyle. So guns to me are
31:57
Speaker 2: just different that were raised around them. Now I have
32:00
Speaker 2: a question for you, though, Joe, and we've got a
32:02
Speaker 2: couple of them, because during the holidays, you've been on
32:05
Speaker 2: Fox News and you have been quoted as saying talking
32:09
Speaker 2: about the world of digital forensics and how it plays
32:12
Speaker 2: into solving crimes. And there are a couple of things
32:16
Speaker 2: here about this case that I'm hoping you can delve
32:18
Speaker 2: into for me because Sarah grayce Patrick sixteen years old
32:23
Speaker 2: at the time of this now seventeen, spends a lot
32:26
Speaker 2: of time on social media, specifically TikTok, and she has
32:31
Speaker 2: posted a lot of information beyond that. We also have
32:40
Speaker 2: a real red flag from her eulogy in the days
32:45
Speaker 2: after the murders took place. And there's something else I
32:49
Speaker 2: have to ask you, though, We'll come to those, all Right.
32:52
Speaker 2: At the crime scene, you've got two dead bodies in
32:54
Speaker 2: a bed. So the assumption I make is that they
32:58
Speaker 2: were asleep when they were shot. I'm making that assumption
33:02
Speaker 2: only because they said, they being law enforcement, said they
33:05
Speaker 2: were found in the bed. We know that Jamie Brock
33:10
Speaker 2: is mechanically tied to the ELVAD for his heart, so
33:16
Speaker 2: if somebody were to come in and kill them, we
33:20
Speaker 2: know that it was sometime between the time the little
33:22
Speaker 2: girl went to bed that night before and the time
33:25
Speaker 2: she wakes up the next morning too. About the five
33:27
Speaker 2: year old who found them in that area here and
33:31
Speaker 2: they were cold to the touch. Yes, according to Sarah
33:35
Speaker 2: Grace Patrick on the nine one one call, all right,
33:38
Speaker 2: they're found in bed shot to death. You mentioned trying
33:42
Speaker 2: to find the angle of bullets, to the trajectory of
33:47
Speaker 2: the bullets and figuring this out. But Joe, if somebody's
33:51
Speaker 2: laying in bed on their side and they are shot,
33:58
Speaker 2: causing their body to move. So I'm laying on my
34:03
Speaker 2: right hand side, left towards the ceiling, and I get
34:06
Speaker 2: shot in the chest and it rolls me over and
34:10
Speaker 2: I get shot again, and now it hits me in
34:12
Speaker 2: the chest. You know, how are you going to determine
34:17
Speaker 2: a which one will came first and the trajectory Where
34:21
Speaker 2: was the shooter standing?
34:23
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, that's an I didn't see that coming.
34:26
Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. Trajectory itself is well, first off,
34:33
Speaker 1: let's go to order. You can't. You can't tell order.
34:37
Speaker 1: There's no way you can't tell order with gunshot wounds,
34:40
Speaker 1: with with sad ones, you just can't. I mean, I
34:44
Speaker 1: think that people think that we can, but we really can't.
34:49
Speaker 3: We're fascinated with that too, Yeah, we.
34:51
Speaker 1: Really are, because people want to know, you know, particularly
34:54
Speaker 1: if you've got multiple gunshot wounds and you've got because
34:56
Speaker 1: in autopsy report, when you read the autopsy report or
35:00
Speaker 1: they'll lay it out pretty succinctly, not in the in
35:05
Speaker 1: the listing, like the actual granular listing of the gunshot wounds,
35:10
Speaker 1: but they'll go if you look at the cause of death,
35:13
Speaker 1: they will state in the cause of death most of
35:15
Speaker 1: the time, depending upon how thorough the forensic pathologists is
35:18
Speaker 1: which gunshot wound is actually the coup to gras, okay,
35:22
Speaker 1: the fatal one, you know. Now. Trajectory that's interesting because
35:28
Speaker 1: it's rather it's very dynamic, not as dynamic in a
35:33
Speaker 1: bed as it is say, for instance, out on the
35:35
Speaker 1: street if somebody's kind of dancing and you've got somebody
35:37
Speaker 1: walking around doing what's called slicing the pie which is
35:41
Speaker 1: where you're firing and you're having to it's not really
35:43
Speaker 1: slicing the pie, but you're you're having to adjust because
35:47
Speaker 1: people don't stay static mostly and if they see a weapon,
35:50
Speaker 1: they're going to duck and all this stuff, and how
35:55
Speaker 1: much of a reaction would there have been with them,
35:59
Speaker 1: because I've seen people that take the first shot and
36:02
Speaker 1: they don't move from that position. They'll get shot in
36:06
Speaker 1: the chest, they'll get shot in the head, and then
36:08
Speaker 1: subsequent you know, rounds are fired into their body. What's
36:11
Speaker 1: really interesting is you can actually kind of see movement
36:16
Speaker 1: of a body if you've got like when you put
36:18
Speaker 1: the trajectory rods through the gunshot wounds, you can see
36:23
Speaker 1: I've seen cases where we've used rods where people look
36:27
Speaker 1: like porcupines, you know, where literally you've got multiple rods
36:32
Speaker 1: sticking out of the body and you look at this
36:34
Speaker 1: and you think, oh my lord, this is really really
36:37
Speaker 1: intensely dynamic. You know, person's moving about or the perpetrator
36:44
Speaker 1: is moving about. The other interesting thing, too, is the
36:49
Speaker 1: height ratio. Okay, you know, when you begin to think
36:53
Speaker 1: if you've got some towering dude that walks in, Okay,
36:56
Speaker 1: you've got some big burly guy that's you know, six six',
37:01
Speaker 1: two all, right and he's holding a weapon and he
37:05
Speaker 1: fires into somebody that's lying in front of. Him that
37:09
Speaker 1: that relationship is completely different than a sixteen year old.
37:12
Speaker 1: Girl and forgive, ME i don't know her. Height let's
37:15
Speaker 1: just say she's five to. Four you, know that kind
37:18
Speaker 1: of skews skews from what you would think with a grown. Man,
37:22
Speaker 1: Okay So i'd like to know when THE, gbi AND
37:27
Speaker 1: i think that if you were asking me who handled
37:31
Speaker 1: it at the, Scene i'd say THE gbi responded out,
37:34
Speaker 1: There probably The Georgia bureau Of investigation and their crime
37:38
Speaker 1: scene reconstructionists came out, there and they would have painstakingly
37:43
Speaker 1: gone through that case with a fine tooth, comb pulling,
37:48
Speaker 1: trajectories taking a look at the position of the. Bodies
37:51
Speaker 1: these bodies probably would not have been removed from the
37:55
Speaker 1: scene real quickly because when they see, This, DAVE i
37:59
Speaker 1: can tell you the, investigators when they see, this they're
38:02
Speaker 1: going to. Think they're going to think this is so
38:07
Speaker 1: far out of bounds that we've really got to take
38:10
Speaker 1: our time with. This this is an execution style. Event
38:15
Speaker 1: and they're also they're knowing they're going to have to
38:17
Speaker 1: watch their p's and q's with. THIS i would think
38:19
Speaker 1: that the level of intensity out there to collective and.
38:23
Speaker 1: Not we have to understand that when you've got two people,
38:28
Speaker 1: dead it's not one. Case if you look at it
38:31
Speaker 1: from the perspective of lives being. Taken you've got two separate. Cases.
38:36
Speaker 1: Here now it's the same, event but you've got two separate.
38:38
Speaker 1: Cases you, know you've got to count, here and you've
38:41
Speaker 1: got to count here and, so and then you compile
38:44
Speaker 1: all this and you have to. Worry it gets, really really.
38:46
Speaker 1: Complex the more bodies you add on to this, thing
38:50
Speaker 1: the more. Complex that's why you, know if we have
38:52
Speaker 1: like a mass shooting, event, okay people think, that well
38:56
Speaker 1: you got a mass, shooting just walk in and he's.
38:58
Speaker 1: No every dead body that you have that's an individual
39:03
Speaker 1: count and you have to, well you have to give
39:06
Speaker 1: them their. Due you, know everybody's equal under the, law.
39:09
Speaker 2: RIGHT i remember you pleading it to, me AND i
39:11
Speaker 2: was shocked at the amount of. Work And i'm not
39:13
Speaker 2: diminishing anything about the human beings associated with a mass,
39:17
Speaker 2: fatality BUT i remember you were talking about one In
39:19
Speaker 2: birmingham and you were talking about the number of casualties
39:22
Speaker 2: and the number of cases and the number of because
39:25
Speaker 2: you've got to know where did this person, die when
39:28
Speaker 2: did they, die how did they, Die and it's not
39:31
Speaker 2: just that, one but it's everybody. Else and in this,
39:33
Speaker 2: case we do have two people dead in the, bed
39:35
Speaker 2: but we don't. Know we don't have enough information, yet we.
39:41
Speaker 1: Don't you AND, i, well it would, Seem, dave that
39:44
Speaker 1: according to what you had said, earlier we do have
39:47
Speaker 1: some information or we have some insight into what was
39:51
Speaker 1: going on With Sarah Grace patrick relative to her.
39:54
Speaker 2: Electronics, man you, know it's interesting that in the time
39:57
Speaker 2: AFTER i remember this happened In, february and between the
40:01
Speaker 2: time of the double homicide and the time That Sarah
40:05
Speaker 2: Grayce patrick was, arrested it was, Months, joe it wasn't. Days,
40:11
Speaker 2: months and it was an unsolved double. Homicide And Sarah Grace, patrick,
40:18
Speaker 2: well first things, first at the funeral, service the celebration
40:22
Speaker 2: of life or whatever you want to call, It Sarah
40:25
Speaker 2: Grace patrick delivered a very long. Eulogy and this is
40:31
Speaker 2: not a videotaped presentation like many are these, days BUT
40:35
Speaker 2: i did see it because somebody at the funeral actually
40:39
Speaker 2: got a video on their cell phone Of sarah Grayce
40:42
Speaker 2: patrick's eulogy And i'm going to tell you. What man
40:47
Speaker 2: watching it multiple times and then looking at the reaction
40:52
Speaker 2: of family, members this eulogy is a huge red.
40:55
Speaker 3: Flag.
40:55
Speaker 2: Joe you KNOW i Mentioned Christa, Douda Kristen, douda or
41:00
Speaker 2: the niece Of. Jamie she sat in the front road
41:03
Speaker 2: during the service and says that even Though Sarah Grace
41:08
Speaker 2: patrick sounds like she's crying during the course of this,
41:11
Speaker 2: eulogy very long, eulogy there are no. Tears sounds like
41:17
Speaker 2: it sounds like she's, crying but there are no. Tears
41:20
Speaker 2: and then Then Joseph Scott morgan at the, end she,
41:28
Speaker 2: Says i'm. Sorry, now many people saw that as an
41:32
Speaker 2: admission that she was. Sorry she, Says i'm. Sorry, Okay
41:35
Speaker 2: NOW i don't know that there could be so many
41:40
Speaker 2: things that that would. Mean but here we have is
41:43
Speaker 2: this is in the days following the. Murders now we're
41:46
Speaker 2: talking about as the days go, by there is no
41:48
Speaker 2: arrest And sarah Grayce patrick takes to TikTok because, well
41:54
Speaker 2: there's no attention being placed on this double homicide and
41:57
Speaker 2: she's reaching out to people, online she's reaching out to cry,
42:00
Speaker 2: people people who do reporting on TikTok and what have,
42:02
Speaker 2: you trying to get. Attention she's seeking. Attention Joseph Scott.
42:07
Speaker 2: Morgan the now seventeen year Old sarah Grayce patrick doesn't
42:12
Speaker 2: want this case to go. Away she needs the, attention
42:16
Speaker 2: and that is another red flag for many.
42:21
Speaker 1: People, yeah it all depends on often to the world of,
42:26
Speaker 1: attorneys it all depends on how you frame. Attention AND
42:30
Speaker 1: i can tell you in this, trial this is going
42:33
Speaker 1: to be a big issue. HERE i can see it,
42:36
Speaker 1: coming you, know fifty miles. Away they're going to look
42:40
Speaker 1: at this and they're going to want to, know, well
42:43
Speaker 1: she's being the good daughter, here you, know come and
42:45
Speaker 1: look at my mom and my stepdad's double. Homicide that's
42:49
Speaker 1: not getting. Attention or she, can AS i have, seen
42:56
Speaker 1: she can get on social media with a miscarra holding
43:00
Speaker 1: down her, face WHICH i never. Understand that's a very personal.
43:04
Speaker 1: Thing why do people do. THAT i Don't i've never understood.
43:08
Speaker 1: That it's it's your. World you do what you got to.
43:11
Speaker 1: Do but just kind of open, weeping you, know, purging you,
43:16
Speaker 1: know and there's imagery of her doing, that, well let's
43:20
Speaker 1: just say you're trying to set something up to make
43:24
Speaker 1: it appear in a particular. Way and nowadays that's easy to,
43:28
Speaker 1: do you, know on you, know on on social. Media,
43:32
Speaker 1: RIGHT i could go stand in front Of Evander holfield's
43:36
Speaker 1: former home over over In, georgia you, know which is,
43:41
Speaker 1: massive AND i could, say, yeah this is my. Crib you.
43:43
Speaker 1: Know it's, like, no it. Ain't i'm just out here
43:46
Speaker 1: with a, camera you. Know and how much more so
43:50
Speaker 1: when you get into the detail about this and this
43:54
Speaker 1: this weird thing that's going on where she's reaching out to.
43:57
Speaker 1: People so one of the QUESTIONS i think at trial
44:02
Speaker 1: is going to, be, well what does this? MEAN i don't,
44:06
Speaker 1: know BUT i do know. THIS i know that social
44:09
Speaker 1: media and electronic media are going to play a major
44:14
Speaker 1: role in this relative to relative to what she did
44:20
Speaker 1: at any particular, time was she having contact with anybody?
44:24
Speaker 1: Else and let me tell, YOU i didn't address. THIS
44:27
Speaker 1: i completely. Forgot you know what else is going to
44:30
Speaker 1: play a role in this that is? Electronic is THAT elvad?
44:34
Speaker 1: Machine oh? Wow AND i think the reason is is
44:39
Speaker 1: that she had claimed at one point in time she
44:42
Speaker 1: heard his alarm going off multiple times through the, night
44:46
Speaker 1: WHICH i think this alarm is really. Loud. Wow and
44:50
Speaker 1: if this thing is monitoring his heart and he's hooked
44:54
Speaker 1: up to, It, dave there's going to be a like
44:59
Speaker 1: an electronic footpri as to when his heart stopped. Beating
45:05
Speaker 1: let that sink in just for a. Second you talk
45:07
Speaker 1: about silent witness to this. Thing that's going to be
45:12
Speaker 1: interesting because in the case we might ACTUALLY i guess
45:16
Speaker 1: the forensic pathologists can. Testripe but wouldn't it be cool
45:20
Speaker 1: if if you had, to if they brought in a
45:22
Speaker 1: cardiologist to talk about this? Machine and this is a
45:26
Speaker 1: science geek coming out of, me all, RIGHT i know
45:29
Speaker 1: that you had a cardiologist, come you, know come and talk,
45:33
Speaker 1: about you, know how does an albad? Work and what
45:35
Speaker 1: can we actually? Tell can you tell by using this?
45:40
Speaker 1: Device can you tell when heart stoppage? Occurs you, know
45:43
Speaker 1: when they went into a critical. Mode, oh here's the, Thing.
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Speaker 1: Dave can you tell was death's? Sudden you? Know by
45:52
Speaker 1: virtue of the heart? Rhythm you, know can you see
45:54
Speaker 1: where the heart begins to kind of taper off here
45:57
Speaker 1: and he finally slips off and. Succumbs isn't that fascinating
46:01
Speaker 1: when you think about, that not to mention any kind
46:04
Speaker 1: of surveillance video that they have around which they have
46:06
Speaker 1: alluded to and Heard i've heard investigators or at least
46:11
Speaker 1: the press releases that have come, out they're using the
46:14
Speaker 1: term mountains of, day mountains of digital. Data but we've
46:21
Speaker 1: come into information just this. Morning there's a what's this
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Speaker 1: thing called a neuro psychiatric or neuropsychology, report.
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Speaker 2: A forensic neuropsychologist, Report and this was part of the
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Speaker 2: discussion a couple of weeks ago in court when they
46:38
Speaker 2: were determining are we set to go for a trial
46:42
Speaker 2: On january? Fifth and prosecution and defense attorney said, yes
46:46
Speaker 2: except we are waiting on this report from Doctor Robert.
46:51
Speaker 2: Schaefer Doctor Robert shaffer is a forensic, neuropsychologist and they
46:55
Speaker 2: were waiting on his report on he Evaluated Sarah gray's
47:00
Speaker 2: back In, august and they were waiting on this report
47:05
Speaker 2: to determine whether they could move, Forward. Joe and what
47:07
Speaker 2: they found out is the contents have not been. Disclosed,
47:11
Speaker 2: okay we don't know what Doctor schaeffer came up. With
47:16
Speaker 2: we have no clue on. That but what we do
47:18
Speaker 2: know is that a couple of weeks, ago trials set
47:21
Speaker 2: For january, fifth going forward, beginning and then we know
47:26
Speaker 2: that on the morning Of, Monday january, fifth the report
47:31
Speaker 2: was then apparently turned over to prosecution and defense at some,
47:35
Speaker 2: point and when they got to court On monday the,
47:38
Speaker 2: fifth they all said, nope we cannot move.
47:41
Speaker 3: Forward.
47:42
Speaker 2: Wow and the, judge this judge who, had you, know
47:46
Speaker 2: really encouraged this fast. Timeline, yeah, yeah sat back and, said,
47:50
Speaker 2: okay we're going to kick the trial To.
47:54
Speaker 3: August Holy, joe that's a long.
47:58
Speaker 2: Time what could this report possibly say that requires eight?
48:04
Speaker 3: Months, well let's, see it's.
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Speaker 1: It's going to mean it's not going to mean that
48:10
Speaker 1: much To, well if this guy's doing the, report if
48:15
Speaker 1: this guy's doing the, assessment he works for the, STATE
48:17
Speaker 1: i would, assume, okay the state will have requested, This
48:22
Speaker 1: so he's going to be a state. Witness what because
48:28
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that when you get into the
48:30
Speaker 1: area of forensic, psychology a lot of this stuff is highly, Subjective.
48:34
Speaker 1: DAVE i know people take exception to, That, okay but
48:37
Speaker 1: that's just. Reality it's not like you're looking at talks. Results.
48:40
Speaker 1: Okay so the defense is going to have to acquire
48:44
Speaker 1: their own expert to review, this and they may they may, say,
48:50
Speaker 1: okay well we want to bring on our own expert
48:54
Speaker 1: to do their. Examination so once that, happens then that
49:00
Speaker 1: person will have to generate a report and gifts where
49:02
Speaker 1: that has to go, to that has to go to the.
49:04
Speaker 1: Prosecution so you've, got you, know for every for everything
49:08
Speaker 1: that that is, done there's a potential for you, know
49:11
Speaker 1: the other side to do it as. Well SO i
49:13
Speaker 1: think going, forward there'll be more information that's going to come,
49:18
Speaker 1: out more information they'll be. RELEASED i think That i'm,
49:24
Speaker 1: interested obviously in all of the digital. Data i'm interested
49:27
Speaker 1: in THIS elvad. MACHINE i never thought i'd i'd hear
49:31
Speaker 1: myself saying that in a in a gunfire related. Case
49:37
Speaker 1: i'm very interested in the ballistics, Here. DAVE i want
49:40
Speaker 1: to know if it's the same. WEAPON i want to
49:43
Speaker 1: know more about the. TRAJECTORY i want to know if
49:48
Speaker 1: they FOUND i want to know if they found any
49:53
Speaker 1: gunshot residue anywhere in that, house how how thoroughly was it,
49:58
Speaker 1: examined h and were there any efforts to clean up
50:01
Speaker 1: around the house in any way. WHATSOEVER i want to
50:07
Speaker 1: know how much of her clothing they took out of that,
50:10
Speaker 1: house you, know when they did the initial run, through
50:13
Speaker 1: what was removed from the, house what did they, collect
50:17
Speaker 1: and how much of that stuff has you, know gone
50:19
Speaker 1: through the ringer because AND i find it Fascinating dave
50:22
Speaker 1: that you, know because most of the time THE gbi
50:27
Speaker 1: is sufficient to the. Task it's all self. Contained they've
50:30
Speaker 1: got their own state crime lab and all. This but
50:33
Speaker 1: the fact that THE fbi is involved in this case is,
50:37
Speaker 1: interesting AND i wonder if it's what kind of evidence
50:42
Speaker 1: are they dealing? With is this are they there solely
50:45
Speaker 1: for electronic evidence or is it something? MORE i don't.
50:48
Speaker 1: Know time will, Tell and, Look i'm not saying the
50:53
Speaker 1: case is actually going to go forward In, august because
50:56
Speaker 1: this kind of came out of left field for. Us
50:57
Speaker 1: dave AND i started out to tape this today because
51:00
Speaker 1: the trial was about to step, Off BUT i got
51:03
Speaker 1: to tell, you if they've pushed it out To, august
51:06
Speaker 1: you never know with these, things as we see every single,
51:09
Speaker 1: day things get pushed all the time in. Courts but
51:13
Speaker 1: this is just gigantic. Mystery at this point in. TIME
51:16
Speaker 1: i think you've got people that are saying that she
51:19
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with. This she's got a whole
51:21
Speaker 1: group of people out there that are supporting, her even
51:23
Speaker 1: WEARING t shirts that say That Sarah Grace patrick is.
51:26
Speaker 1: Innocent so we'll see how this develops over the next few.
51:30
Speaker 1: Months until, then we'll keep you, posted we'll let you
51:36
Speaker 1: know what we, hear and we'll give you our. Insight
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott morgan and this is Body.
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