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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part: The Root Beer Float Murder · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I will be your host today Emily Simpson with.
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  Speaker 2: My co host Shane.
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  Speaker 1: And on Till Death Do Us Part. This is where
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  Speaker 1: we discuss murders of husbands murdering their wives or wives
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  Speaker 1: murdering their.
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  Speaker 2: Husbands in lieu of divorce.
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  Speaker 1: So this is called the root beer float murder, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is so interesting because we did the milkshake
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  Speaker 1: murder not too long ago, so now we have moved
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  Speaker 1: on to the root beer float murder.
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  Speaker 2: I've never had a root beer float.
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  Speaker 1: You've never had a root beer flop? Never, Well, you'll
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  Speaker 1: never have a root beer float after this. I present
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  Speaker 1: to you with WIBB cream and sprinkle. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: So the root beer float murder refers to the murder
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  Speaker 1: of Harold Allen by his wife Marcia Allen and her
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  Speaker 1: adult daughter, Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: Jones, a mother daughter duo.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, a mother daughter duo. Harold Allen is not the
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  Speaker 1: father of Ashley Jones. He's the step father. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: well yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: That changes everything.
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  Speaker 1: They murdered Harold by mixing ethylene glycll.
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  Speaker 2: They howlds his daughter.
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  Speaker 1: No, she's an adult she just she she was married
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  Speaker 1: before and we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: But she is he still around. No, she doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: an ex husband. He's dead. She's a widow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he died of a little heart comvocation after
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  Speaker 1: he had an ice cream conor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they murdered Harold by mixing ethylene glycll, an
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  Speaker 1: ingredient found an anti freeze, into a root beer float
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  Speaker 1: before serving it to him. First of all, I know
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  Speaker 1: the term ethylene gly call because for I am a
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  Speaker 1: huge fan of forensic files and there is rarely an
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  Speaker 1: episode goes by that they don't mention ethylene gly call.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently it has a very sweet taste and that's why.
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  Speaker 2: That's why animals lock it when it's in the garage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And actually, when I was in my twenties, I
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  Speaker 1: had a husky that was poisoned and we think it's
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  Speaker 1: because she had gotten antifrees somehow. So you have to
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  Speaker 1: be very careful with anaphreyge. You can't leave it places
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  Speaker 1: where animals can get to it, because it's very sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Harold died after consuming the repeer float, but the death
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  Speaker 1: was not initially treated as a homicide. This is because
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  Speaker 1: he had a history of health problems. Yeah, he was overweight,
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  Speaker 1: and so he had a history. He had diabetes, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: and he had a history of kind of having.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's unhealthy. Of course he's dead.
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  Speaker 1: Right. However, the case resurfaced during an investigation into a
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  Speaker 1: burglary of Marcia Allen's home nine months after Harold's death.
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  Speaker 1: The burglar was Ashley Jones' best friend, Stephen White. Is no,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley's the.
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  Speaker 2: Daughter, Okay, so the daughter's friend.
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  Speaker 1: So the daughter has a best friend named Stephen White.
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  Speaker 1: This gets more convoluted, Yes, and he burglarizes her mother,
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  Speaker 1: Marsha's house nine months after the death was ingested. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley told Stephen White about Harold's murder. So then when
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  Speaker 1: he's arrested for burglarizing the house, he rats them out. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities re examine Harold's death and were able to pin
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  Speaker 1: the murder on Marcia and Ashley. That's the mother and
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  Speaker 1: the daughter. During the investigation, authorities also discovered what was
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  Speaker 1: described as a murder list allegedly written by Ashley Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors argued that this list showed an intent and a
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  Speaker 1: broader willingness to harm others. There is now an ongoing
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  Speaker 1: investigation into the death of Ashley's late husband, Tye, who
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  Speaker 1: died under similar circumstances as Harold. And all right, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into the dirty details.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's say you kill.
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  Speaker 1: Me, but I like how you say. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: safe to say. I don't. All right, it's safe to say.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but it would never be it would never happen
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  Speaker 2: this way.
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  Speaker 1: What would never happen this way?
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  Speaker 2: Oh me, Well, not in this way, not with a
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  Speaker 2: rut beer floatcaus one. I don't drink ruber foak, and
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  Speaker 2: you never make me anything. She came up to me
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  Speaker 2: with a dessert and said, here's a bowl of ice
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  Speaker 2: cream right there.
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  Speaker 1: You know there's something wrongious, right right?
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  Speaker 2: And I would have it tested, yes, he would, Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So maybe she always brought him her beer floats.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into it more as we go through
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  Speaker 1: the details. But that was not the first attempt on
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  Speaker 1: his life. They tried multiple versions of boyson to I
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  Speaker 1: feel that his.
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  Speaker 2: Mother daughter bond is really something.
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  Speaker 1: So in twenty nineteen, Marcia and Harold meet, so Harold
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  Speaker 1: Allen decided to attend his thirtieth high school reunion in Austin, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: There he reconnected. This is his first mistake.
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  Speaker 2: But go to the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: If he never went to the reunion, Harold would still
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  Speaker 1: be alive.
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  Speaker 2: Who wants to go to a reunion? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: See, now that just.
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  Speaker 2: A reunion of people I don't hang out with.
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  Speaker 1: You don't hang out with your old high school buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need a reunion to hang out with my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Right Well, it's like, let's have a reunion of all
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  Speaker 2: these people I did not care to keep staying in contact. Well,
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  Speaker 2: put them in a room together and see if they can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what, now with Instagram and Facebook, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like if you just want to like know what
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  Speaker 1: someone messing like right now, you don't need to go
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  Speaker 1: to a reunion. You just find them on Instagram or
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and then you can see what they're doing. So
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  Speaker 1: there's no men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, they're still ugly. Okay, yeah, move on. I
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  Speaker 2: remember this happened with Shelby when she I said, do
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  Speaker 2: you want a yearbook? It was like senior years and
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  Speaker 2: she goes no, I'm okay. I'm like, you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get your book? I'm going to regret it. She goes, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we don't want a yearbook. She goes, I
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  Speaker 2: see everything on my phone. She's like, I don't need
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  Speaker 2: a yearbook to like yeah, keep up or look back
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  Speaker 2: or like yeah, look back and all that. So it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of sad.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So hair Old Allen makes his biggest mistake
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  Speaker 1: of his life by attending the thirtieth high school reunion.
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  Speaker 1: There he reconnects with Marcia Buxton, who is a former
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  Speaker 1: classmate whom he did not know well in high school.
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  Speaker 2: That's the mistake. That's not going to the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: It's meeting Marcia.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he went to like a brothel where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's like why you have no
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  Speaker 2: business being here but to get in trouble. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: went to a reunion.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and he meets Marcia. All Right, so we'll we'll
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  Speaker 1: say his biggest mistake of his life is meeting Marcia.
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  Speaker 1: So Marcia and Harold start dating and then they get
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  Speaker 1: married in July of twenty twenty one, after dating for
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  Speaker 1: about two years following the reunion. All Right, so Marcia
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  Speaker 1: is now his wife. In twenty twenty two, Marcia has
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  Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old daughter named Ashley Jones. And
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  Speaker 1: Ashley's young daughter move in with Marcia and Harold at
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  Speaker 1: their home in Freetown, Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: That's sad. He helps house.
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  Speaker 1: Them and yes, Harold, who had no children of his own,
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  Speaker 1: welcomed them into the house. Then in late of late
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, terrible. I know he's a nice guy
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  Speaker 1: so far. No, he's always a nice guy from this
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  Speaker 1: whole everything I've learned about him. And they interview his family,
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  Speaker 1: and he had brothers and they were tight and he
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  Speaker 1: was in a very tight knit family, and he seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be like a nice, just good guy. And he
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  Speaker 1: goes to his thirtieth high school reunion. He meets Marcia
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  Speaker 1: in late twenty twenty two. So remember they got married
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, so they haven't even been married
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  Speaker 1: very long. They've only been married like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like a year and a half or something. Harold begins
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  Speaker 1: experiencing painful gastro intestinal problems, which had sent him to
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  Speaker 1: the emergency room on multiple occasions late that year. Doctors
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  Speaker 1: could not figure out what was wrong with him. At
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  Speaker 1: one point, they assumed it was diverticlitis. It's an inflammation
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  Speaker 1: of irregular bulging pouches in the wall of the Large Intestine.
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  Speaker 1: Then in November twenty seventh, at twenty twenty two, this
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  Speaker 1: is Thanksgiving text between Marcia Allen and Ashley Jones. They
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  Speaker 1: figure out the police figure out that Marcia and Ashley
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  Speaker 1: are involved in this. After the burglary attempt, they ask
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  Speaker 1: Marcia for her phone. So now they have her phone,
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  Speaker 1: they do the forensics on her phone, so they have
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  Speaker 1: all the text messages between Marcia and her daughter Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: So nine months after, right, well, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Before he dies. So we're at Thanksgiving. Oh yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just talking about We're going back and forth between times.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Christopher Nolan, You're going back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about Thanksgiving is really I believe the
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  Speaker 1: first time they police know that they attempt to poison him,
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  Speaker 1: and they know that based upon the text messages that
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  Speaker 1: they get after he's dead and after Stephen White.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine months after the death, right, they're now searching
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  Speaker 2: the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So text between Marcia Allen and Ashley Jones showed
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  Speaker 1: discussion of poisoning Harold Allen. So first what they do
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  Speaker 1: is they buy these hong pong seeds from that come
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  Speaker 1: from a tree in South Asia known as the suicide Tree,
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  Speaker 1: and they mix it into a brownie before serving it
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  Speaker 1: to Herold. So first they try to give them brownies
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  Speaker 1: with poisonous seeds in them. Yeah, she and her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: so this is Marcia, and the daughter actually purchased the
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  Speaker 1: seeds online. That's the other thing is like they keep
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  Speaker 1: trying to buy all these poisons to poison this guy.
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  Speaker 1: They just buy it online, you know, so.
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  Speaker 2: There's a digital credit card tooo.
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  Speaker 1: Probably there's a digital trail.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to say the last podcast
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  Speaker 2: we did where it was you know, meth addicts that
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  Speaker 2: murdered and there's like virtually no evidence, you know, available
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  Speaker 2: other than a dead body obviously. But then you have
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  Speaker 2: and so they can't trace anything because these people are
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  Speaker 2: off the grid, right, They do drugs, They crash at homes,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have accounts, they don't have bank account like,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have any digital stuff. So they get away
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  Speaker 2: with a lot. And then you have these people, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who live in a home, probably have a day, pay
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  Speaker 2: their phone bill, have an email address, buy stuff online.
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  Speaker 2: And in a way they are smarter because they plan
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  Speaker 2: it and you know, prep it. But then that leaves
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  Speaker 2: a trail.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they leave a huge trail. Every single thought they
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  Speaker 1: have is documented in these text messages.
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  Speaker 2: Don't they live together? Why don't they conspire in a
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  Speaker 2: room rather than on across the phone?
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  Speaker 1: I know? So they make this brownie with the suicide
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  Speaker 1: tree seeds in it, and Marshall watches her husband eat
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  Speaker 1: the brownie and then texts her daughter like, what's taking
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  Speaker 1: so long?
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  Speaker 2: Why won't he die?
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  Speaker 1: Then Ashley responds, Tye, that was her late husband that
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  Speaker 1: died was only one hundred and twenty l You know
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  Speaker 1: what that means? One hundred and twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Pounds, meaning he didn't need as much of the suicide
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  Speaker 2: seeds exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So November thirtieth of twenty twenty two, Harold returns to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital once again with vomiting, fever and chills. Then
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  Speaker 1: in December.
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  Speaker 2: Two and what type of conversation would you ever text
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  Speaker 2: someone that your dead husband is weighs a certain amount?
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  Speaker 2: And then you're like, ha ha, what context would that
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  Speaker 2: ever be an innocent text?
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  Speaker 1: Well it's not. So you're saying, what would the defense
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  Speaker 1: say that? Why to defend that?
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  Speaker 2: Tex? How do you defend it? Right? Like? How is
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  Speaker 2: that a normal text, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not other than the only thing you could say is
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  Speaker 1: that you were joking or something. You know that you
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  Speaker 1: weren't involved in your late husband's death, even though you
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  Speaker 1: just made.
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  Speaker 2: Reference to if that's not even you can't even fake
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  Speaker 2: that one.
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  Speaker 1: I was, well, you know, I mean, there's so many
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  Speaker 1: you remember, this case.
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  Speaker 2: Is talking to you. I'm not saying it's a legal argument.
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  Speaker 2: What context could that ever be a normal text?
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  Speaker 1: It's not to me. It's like a smoking gun that
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  Speaker 1: she pulls at her first husband. Yeah, the daughter Ashley
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  Speaker 1: her husband tie right. Also, I don't know, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: talk about this yet, but I just want to add
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  Speaker 1: this in because this case very much reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: Corey Richins, which we did a case on. Remember she
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  Speaker 1: was the Utah mom. She was a Utah mom that
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  Speaker 1: poisoned her husband. Remember she tried first with the blowney sandwich,
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  Speaker 1: and then she wrote a book on grief.
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  Speaker 2: This she made him the Russian cocktail or something.
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  Speaker 1: It was a Moscow mule. So I'm saying this case
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  Speaker 1: just reminds me of Corey Richins, and she tried to
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  Speaker 1: poison her husband. Then she wrote a book on grief. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: because she was talking about how she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: help her self process it and her children process it.
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  Speaker 1: This case, Marcia the wife after her husband Harold died,
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  Speaker 1: she wrote a book on grief, yes, and self published it,
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's my thing going on. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how a woman goes has multiple attempts
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  Speaker 1: to take their husband out through poison, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: is a horrible way to die because.
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  Speaker 2: You're watching it die like, yeah, it's not like you
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  Speaker 2: pull the trigger and it's all over and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: always gruesome, but it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just well, it's slow and it's painful. So not only
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  Speaker 1: are you killing them, but you're torturing them.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of ways involved to get that far, she
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  Speaker 2: had to make the brownie for ith.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she has to make the root of
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  Speaker 1: your float, and then why.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's and that's why it was overweighted. She got
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  Speaker 2: feedim desserts and.
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  Speaker 1: Corey Richards had to make she had to make the
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  Speaker 1: boloney the no, it was a bagels, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then Riches take food from her when he was suspicious
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  Speaker 2: of her in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. That was the question we asked on
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  Speaker 1: that other episode that we did on Corey Richards. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But then I don't understand how you get
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  Speaker 1: to the point where you know you murdered your husband
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  Speaker 1: through poison, but then you write a book on grief
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  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're that's assuming that they have some moral compass.
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  Speaker 1: Well they don't. Right, then we get to December of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, there's more poison purchases because Harold is
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  Speaker 1: still alive at this point. So early to mid December,
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  Speaker 1: Marcia and Ashley purchased fox gloves, seat and water hemlock
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  Speaker 1: online and they're considered the most violently toxic plant in
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  Speaker 1: North America, often causing death in humans and livestock within
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to a few hours of ingestion. So my
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  Speaker 1: point is, if you are online purchasing water hemlock that
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  Speaker 1: is considered a violently toxic plant, why isn't there some
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  Speaker 1: kind of red flag? How do I mean? Shouldn't there
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  Speaker 1: be some kind of red flag that? How do you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, there should be a red flag because what
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  Speaker 2: are you using it for? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They allegedly poison Harold using water hemlock in chili and
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  Speaker 1: a margarita, but Harold still does not die, but his
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  Speaker 1: health continues to worsen. December thirteenth of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Jones purchases ethanol glycol, which is anti freeze, to
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  Speaker 1: be delivered to the home. On December nineteenth of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, ethylene glycol is delivered and Ashley texts Martia
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  Speaker 1: that it has arrived. They get very excited. It ethylene
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  Speaker 1: glyholls here. I watched forensic files.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna work this time. Marcia texts Ashley that Harold
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  Speaker 1: is quote all in for root beer floats, suggesting a
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  Speaker 1: plan to administer the poison. That night, Harold is given
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  Speaker 1: a tainted root beer float, complete with whipped cream and
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  Speaker 1: sprinkles to hide the slight sweetness of the ethylene glycol. Also,
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  Speaker 1: they talk about the text messages between the mom and
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  Speaker 1: daughter and the mom is shopping for root beer and
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  Speaker 1: she takes a photo of like the little mini root beers,
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  Speaker 1: and then the daughter responds and says, no, get the
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  Speaker 1: big root beer. So they're I mean, they're they're documenting
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  Speaker 1: back and forth every step of the way. Harold dies
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  Speaker 1: the next day, on December twentieth of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: Marcia calls nine one one in tears, reporting his death.
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  Speaker 1: She claims on the nine one one call, but he
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  Speaker 1: was sleeping, and then she was working from home, and
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  Speaker 1: then she went back into the bedroom and he was
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  Speaker 1: laying on the floor. She actually sound genuine and the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call, which is scary because she's been plotting.
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  Speaker 2: His wild if she's sad, like there's regret there, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: too bad, so sound it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: So nothing is considered suspicious, as Harold's health was declining
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  Speaker 1: up until that point. I mean his health was declining
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  Speaker 1: because she kept trying to poison him over and over and.
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  Speaker 2: Over with desserts.
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  Speaker 1: Right then, in December twenty first of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: this is the day after Harold's death, Marcia shows up
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  Speaker 1: to his place of work to ask about his life
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  Speaker 1: insurance policy. She doesn't even way to day like it's
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  Speaker 1: the day after he died. She shows up at his
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  Speaker 1: work asking about his life insurance policy. She also allegedly
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  Speaker 1: accesses his retirement funds and savings, including PayPal money. His
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  Speaker 1: life insurance that I believe was only like one hundred
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars or something. So it's not like she was
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: going to get millions. Why did she want to kill
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: him for insurance money? But it's like one hundred thousand dollars.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: That's what we know is for insurance money and his
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: paypalt and.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: His PayPal account. July twenty seventh, of twenty twenty three,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Ashley texts an acquaintance claiming I planned it all and
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: references helping access Harold's finances. Then we get to the burglary.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: This is the downfall of this whole thing. Again, this
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: they would have kind of planned the perfect murder if
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: this burglary wouldn't have happened because he died and no
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: one was questioning his death radical because they just said
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that he'd had like cardiac problems or health problems.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Actually's former husband's death was it in question right? So
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it was on twenty pounds lol.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: September nineteenth, the twenty twenty three burglars enter Marsha's home
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: when she is out of town. They had a key
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to the house and knew the code to her safe.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: They had a key to the house because Ashley Jones
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: mailed them a key to the house. So we'll get
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: more into that. And they knew the code to the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: safe because Ashley Jones, the daughter who lived within the house,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: gave them the code to the safe. March Marcia an
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: inside job, Yeah, but I'll explain that in a minute.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Marcia catches the suspects on surveillance cameras and recognizes one
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: of them. It's her daughter's best friend, Steven White. So
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: what Ashley didn't know when she helps plan this burglary
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: was that her mom installed security cameras. I believe like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: a week before this burglary, burglary.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Trust took place, Like clearly you're willing to kill.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So Ashley mails a key to the house to Steven
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: White and gives him the code to the safe. But
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what she does not know is that her mom installed
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: surveillance cameras in the side of the house and her mom.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Didn't tell her.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: The police find Steven just hours after the burglary is
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: reported because the mom. Marcia reports the burglary and then says, look,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I know who this guy is that's burglarizing my house.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: His name is Stephen White. He's friends with my daughter Ashley.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: They go arrest Stephen White. Stephen tells police that Marcia
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and Ashley are respond for Harold Allen's death. Stephen also
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: claims that Ashley mailed him the key to her mother's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: home and gave him the code to the safe so
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: that they could split the earnings. So I believe. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: don't know if there was, Like I.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Like how they find the money that they have to.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Be earned, right, I don't know exactly what was in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the safe. I do know that Harold had a lot
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of guns and he had guitars. I believe, so I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think the right. The police bring Marcia in for questioning. Initially,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: initially they tell her that it was for the burglary,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but then while she's there being questioned about this burglary,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: they bring up Harold's death. Marcia denies having any involvement,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but allows police to search her phone. Actually what happens
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is the she they say, you know this guy thing
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that you're involved in your husband's death, and she denies it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with my husband's death. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: she had a very quick answer for everything. You know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: he had this, he had this problem. It was a
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: health issue. That's why he died.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: On video.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is during the interrogation, so I want I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: see this. Then they say okay, well, then I guess
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have a problem with us taking your cell phone.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And she says, no, you know, you can take it,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and he gets up and he leaves. Oh, then you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: can see her. She gets on her phone and you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: know she's trying to delete.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Do you know if he left on purpose?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he left on purpose. Yeah, because she's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: being recorded, and as soon as he walks out of
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the room, he leaves her alone in the interrogation room.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: She gets on her phone. She's trying to delete messages.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But the I believe what they said was there was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: like over a thousand messages between her and her dollars
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and thousands of messages.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Did they eventually take the phone in that interview, they do, Yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they came back into it. What happens is they take
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the phone, they go back and they have some computer
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: or something that's like a little station that's already to go,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and they literally just rip everything off the phone on
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: her computer, they can give the phone back. So the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: fact that she deleted messages in between the time that
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he says, can we search your phone, and it takes
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the phone, she deletes messages right, like probably a handful
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of them, right, they can know which ones she deleted.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that she deleted them. They're going to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: get them. But they can also know that when the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: officer asked for your phone, he said okay, and then
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: he left and he came back five minutes later. Oh,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you had deleted these messages within that time frame, which
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: appears more incriminating.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Right right. I don't understand how people in today's technology,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: with everything going on, still don't understand the forensics of
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a phone. They still don't understand that all those text
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: messages can be recovered and that you're literally documenting your
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: every move in this murder of your husband.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: No, maybe it's because they get so wrapped up in themselves,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: like she got away with the last.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Murder, the daughter Ashley, Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And then she you know, this was a long time coming,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: right they It took months and several time attempts. They're
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: texting all the time, they're ordering stuff on that you forget,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and they probably just think like like, we're gonna get
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: away with it, so they don't think any further ahead
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and they's delete and whatever.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is but the way you're explaining it
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is they're under the mindset that it's already happened and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: nobody's questioning them. I'm just saying up until the point
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that he is about to be murdered. And they try
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: all these different ways, they document everything through the phone.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They think they're never gonna get caught.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So then on October sixteenth of twenty twenty three, this
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is after they take Marcia's phone, police bring Marcia back
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in for questioning to show her all of the texts
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that they recovered. They actually like pull them up on
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a computer screen so they're big.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Right and there on the phone goes there everything.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: However, they do not hold her in jail and allow
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: her to go home. That night, Marcia dies by suicide. Wow,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: she ingested something, she took pills or something and died
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in bed. And then she left the note that said
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I did not kill my husband. You win, Ashley, And
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that's all the note said.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: She did she think that her daughter was going to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: rat her out.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think she's trying to blame her daughter. She also
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: knew that the reason they were caught was because Ashley
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: planned that burglary of her mom's home, which is the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: catalyst for them being caught.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what is why would that make her kill herself.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was just easier for
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: her to kill herself than to go to prison.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was getting. She should have killed
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: herself before she and then does not kill her husband.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she didn't want to kill herself. She wanted his.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: She won one hundred thousand dollars in insurance money and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to sell guns and live her best life.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's his PayPal. Gill So.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: October eighteenth of twenty twenty three, Ashley Jones is arrested
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and she is charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: You know what. They actually bring Ashley in and Ashley
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't know that her mother is dead, and they are
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: interrogated Ashley asking her about the murder and Harold, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: she denies it, and she denies any involvement with it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: And then they tell her during that interrogation that her
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: mother committed suicide. She did not know. So you actually
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: see her during the interrogation learn that her mother committed suicide.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Reaction, right, and what was her reaction?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was upset, but I don't know if
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: she was genuinely upset. It's hard to tell. With these
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: people because they're murderers and so I don't know, but
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that they, during the interrogation
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of her and asking her her involvement in this murder,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that she learns about her mother's suicide. So, while Ashley
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Jones is awaiting trial, investigators say that Ashley gave her
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: cellmate a kill list. Police believe it contained the names
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of people with knowledge of what happened to Harold who
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Ashley wanted to eliminate. First on that list was Ashley's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: best friend, who I would assume is no longer her
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: best friend, Stephen White, who was charged in the burglary.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Ashley was not charged with any crimes connected to the list,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: though an analysis comparing it to her handwriting was found
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to be favorable, meaning that it was likely penned on her.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: You know why they didn't pursue that because she's going
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: on trial for murder. So I think at this point
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this kill liss that she made that they found in prison,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and they said the handwriting, you know, somewhat matched or whatever.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: They're not going to pursue that because this woman's going
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to go on trial for murder. I mean, she's going
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to get her justice like at the end of the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: day anyway. On August sixteenth to twenty twenty four, prosecutors
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: add charges including attempted murder. That's because I'm sure once
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they go through all those thousands of thousands of text
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: messages between her and her mom, they can come up
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: with a timeline of all the other times that they
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: tried to kill him based upon their text messages with
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the brownies and the pong pong seeds and so long. Right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So that's why then she gets charges added later, including
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: attempted murder. The documentary I watched it, I don't remember
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: if it was a forty eight hours episode or what
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it was, but they interview Ashley Jones's previous husband, Tie.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: They interview his family, and his family claims that they
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: thought that his death was suspicious from the beginning, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: no one investigated it because they said he was healthy,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and I guess he died by kind of the same
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: circumstances where I but he was healthy, and then I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think they just they said it was just like a
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: cardiac thing, like he had heart problems or something. Also,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the reason, oh back to Marsha's suicide and the other
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: reason why she committed suicide. I'm sure is because they
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: they asked her, they said that there was blood left
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: over from Harold, because they did they were going to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: send it out for a toxicology report, and if it
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: came back that the anti freese showed up in his
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: blood because they said, did you give amantiffrees and she said, no,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. I didn't do that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And they said, okay, well, we still had some of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: his blood left over from the medical examiner, so we
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have enough blood to send to do a toxicology and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they're going to test for annafreeze. And then that's when
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: she killed herself that night, because she knew the toxicology
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: report was going to come back, and it did. It
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: came back and it had it on there of course
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that it was in his blood.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So then we get to Ashley and Ashley's and this
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: is August of twenty twenty five, so this was last summer,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: so this is very this is not long ago. Ashley
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: takes a plea deal, she pleads guilty to attempted murder
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and conspiracy to commit murder, and she is sentenced to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: fifty years in prison. Good the burglar, the burglar. Stephen
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: White is sentenced to three and a half years. And
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: now there is an ongoing investigation into the death of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Ashley's late husband, Tie, as he died in a similar
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: manner to Harold and had no prior health issues before
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: his death.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry, the best friend Steve that got three and a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: half years. That was for burglary. Yeah, involvement.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me let me add a little bit
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: more context to the burglary. So I when I was
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: researching this, I guess what the police found was that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: after Harold had died, and I do believe that Marcia
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: collected some type of insurance money because he died and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: there was no suspicious circumstances, right, so I believe she
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: does collect some of the money. She is sending Ashley
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the daughter a thousand dollars I think a month, that's it. Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Well she got an she only got a hundred thousand dollars.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's not
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that much money.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, but I mean yeah, But my point is, yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: there's a thousand a month, Like we're supposed to live
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: off a thousand a month.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a thousand a week
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: or a thousand a month, but she was sending her
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: money regularly. Then she quit sending her money.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Why was actually not living there? She was living there,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: she moved out.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They didn't tell me why she moved out.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But she's not living there anymore. But the mom, after
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: she collects the money, is sending Ashley money consistently. Then
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: she stops sending her money. She's probably like, he's dead
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to keep this money for myself. I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: not going to send you anymore. I don't know if
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: there's a conversation or what, but she doesn't. She stops
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: sending Ashley money. That's when Ashley concocted the Burlary plan
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with her friend Stephen White, because she's going to get
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: her money that she's owed. Because I'm sure there was
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: some talk about well.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Steve, like like, you know, we killed him, and I'm
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: supposed to get some money. We got a bunch of money, right,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm not getting my money.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So here's a key to the house, here's the code
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to the safe, go get my money.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. There's no cameras inside, right, but.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: The mom had put cameras in, so it makes me
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: think that there had to have been some kind of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: falling out and she's like, well, I'll get my money
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: somehow or something back or something cameras, right, So anyway
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we will fall I would. I am interested in this
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: ongoing investigation that has to do with the death of
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Ashley's late Tie. I don't know he was cremated. She
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: had him cremated.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's usually the best way to.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Write when you poison someoney evidence exactly. So you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you investigate it other than maybe
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: there's some way to pull forensics off of her phone
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: That's why I ask how much how many years or
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: months prior.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: That I do not know? I don't know.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Because if it was like a long time her in time,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the better chance of right, Well, you know she's in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: jail for fifty years. Yeah, she's not gonna be in prison.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: No, but you know, we just you know, talk about
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: how you go to You get sentence to eight, you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: spend four. So if she's sentenced to fifty, she'll probably
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: spend twenty.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Not always like twenty five to life is twenty five
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: years you're eligible for parole or something, right, Yeah, but
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: life without parole is forever, so fifty might be fifty
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: with a minimum of serving.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any minimum. I just know
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: she got fifty years, so as far as I know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: she could be eligible for parole at twenty five or something.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, I hope that there is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: some type of well, there's an ongoing investigation. I just
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: hope that there's some type of evidence that can tie
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: her to ties murder so that he and his family
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: get justice, because based upon just the minimal amount of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: text messages that we saw where she references him and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: his weight, it just means lol. I'm sure you know.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And she's probably the one that said to her mom, Hey,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you don't be married to this guy anymore. I took
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: my husband out.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Really, I haven't exit strategy.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just gave him some pong pong seeds and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: some brownies. He's only one hundred and twenty.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Pounds and he's nobody.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Knew, and so you know you should do that to Harold.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Do you imagine if your kid comes up to it's like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I have a plan. I just kill my husband. Why
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: don't we kill yours?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I can't fathom that that's our conversation, I.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Haven't okay, right, go to the store and text me
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: right and we'll talk about it. Right, Because once she
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: texts her from the store, pictures of the.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Rupe of the root beer. Yeah. Well, I mean there
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: were all kinds of texts. They also there was also
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: so text messages of a screenshot of when the anti
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: freeze was delivered. They're like, hey, it's here.
• 32:06
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• 32:09
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