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Credlin | 8 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Hello Kreland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: On cred Land, the Prime Minister gets dragged into the
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Speaker 2: embattled Communication Minister's travel expense scandal, as the divide grows
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Speaker 2: between what the guidelines might say and what you expect
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Speaker 2: after revelations, Tony Burke held behind closed door meetings Save
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Speaker 2: the Children. Pressures on as to why Labor brought back
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Speaker 2: those so called isis Brian's and it was not clearly
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Speaker 2: a case of repatriation? And also secrecy, why is it
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Speaker 2: Labour hates to tell you the truth? Classy Albanezi government
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Speaker 2: looks set to introduce an East Coast gas reservation scheme.
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Speaker 2: Is it a good idea? How will it work in practice?
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Speaker 2: And what will it do to your power bills? And
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Speaker 2: speaking of Labour's energy failures, it's going to get a
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Speaker 2: whole lot worse if you're under pressure with your bills.
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Speaker 2: The Treasurer today confirming that the current rebates will end
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Speaker 2: on year's eve.
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Speaker 3: The Cabinet has agreed today decided today that they won't
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Speaker 3: be extended into a fourth round.
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Speaker 2: But first politicians could get away with wasting billions. Can't.
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Speaker 2: They are failed projects and misdirected programs. But Heaven help
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Speaker 2: any of them who waste your money on themselves, tens
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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars on seats at the pointy end
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Speaker 2: of the plane, chauffeur driven cars, luxury hotels, any wonder
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government Minister Arnika Wells is under siege as more
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Speaker 2: and more emergence of what looks like unrestrained indulgence at
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Speaker 2: your expense. First, it was a trip to New York
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Speaker 2: to give a brief speech six minutes only at the
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Speaker 2: United Nations at barely anyone noticed, and that could have
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Speaker 2: been given by the Prime Minister or the Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 2: who were also there at the time. That six minute
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Speaker 2: speech in New York cost taxpayers ninety eight thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: in flights for her and two of her staff, as
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Speaker 2: well as twelve thousand dollars in hotel costs. Now, let
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Speaker 2: me tell you you can't spend that much and flights
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Speaker 2: to New York unless you fly first class, or as
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Speaker 2: I think happened, she booked a one way fair both
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Speaker 2: ways instead of a full return, and I think that's
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Speaker 2: what happened that Wells had originally planned on traveling with
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister on his vip jet on the way
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Speaker 2: over and then flying commercially home. But stupidly, when her
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Speaker 2: plans changed, instead of canceling the one way ticket and
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Speaker 2: then booking a much cheaper return one, her office just
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Speaker 2: bought another one way leg, so two one way legs
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Speaker 2: and that comes at a massive cost. Now that's done,
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Speaker 2: and it's lazy. And what about the minister traveling overseas
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Speaker 2: with two of her staff, Well, I reckon that's badness too.
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Speaker 2: Something I know my former boss, Tony Abbott would never
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Speaker 2: have a proved was always a rule one minister, one staff.
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Speaker 2: That's it. This Prime Minister did he approved that. Because
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Speaker 2: for all the attention around Arnika Well's big spending habits,
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Speaker 2: let me tell you how the system works, because every
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Speaker 2: bit of her spending is approved personally by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: It first happens when the folders come up to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office, as a whole batch of them that
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Speaker 2: come up. They're called the Imprincipal Draft Travel bids. Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and his chief of staff and others. They go
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Speaker 2: through those folders and they cross out what they will
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Speaker 2: not be approving, and they put ticks against stuff that
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Speaker 2: can be then taken further, that can be progressed into
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Speaker 2: firmer plans. Then what happens, much closer to the departure date.
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Speaker 2: A brief comes up from the Department per Ministerial Travel
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Speaker 2: that's coming out of those folders, and in there you
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Speaker 2: get the final airfare costs, you get the final hotel charges,
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Speaker 2: and you get the application for the number of staff
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Speaker 2: on the trip. So yes, well deserved criticism for Wells.
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Speaker 2: Believe me, Albanisi also deserves to copy it because he
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Speaker 2: signed every bit of this off. But it gets worse because,
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Speaker 2: as always with this stuff, as soon as the media
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Speaker 2: starts to dig, finds out more, doesn't it. Over the
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Speaker 2: weekend it emerged that Arnika Wells had made three taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funded trips to Paris in a single year, plus spent
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Speaker 2: over a thousand dollars of your money on a fancy
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Speaker 2: dinner for herself and to others. But it gets worse
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Speaker 2: again because we now know that not only was Wells
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Speaker 2: enjoying all of these high end trips paid for by you,
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Speaker 2: but also her family as well. It emerged that she
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Speaker 2: went to Threadbow for the Paralympics Australia event or she
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Speaker 2: put it on taxpayers to send her family as well
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Speaker 2: for what amounted to a ski holiday with her children.
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Speaker 1: Separate to that, every parliamentarian has family reunion entitlements, which
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Speaker 1: I followed.
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Speaker 4: Did your family go skiing?
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Speaker 1: They did, right, Yes they did.
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Speaker 2: She's Louise thread Bow in high season. That's thousands and
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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. But there's more. She also build taxpayers
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Speaker 2: almost nine thousand dollars so her husband could attend three
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Speaker 2: AFL Grand Finals, plus taking her three children to one
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Speaker 2: of them. She then went to the Formula one Grand Prix.
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Speaker 2: That's it, You've got it. Harvey was there as well,
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Speaker 2: paid for by taxpayers. And today Anaka Wells is also
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Speaker 2: under siege and she's hiding out in her office. But
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Speaker 2: she was asked about it yesterday and her defense yesterday
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Speaker 2: was sorry, but it's all within the rules. At the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, I don't write these rules.
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Speaker 5: They might pass the guideline test, but you must see
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Speaker 5: that they don't pass the pub test.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, you and your viewers can absolutely have an opinion
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Speaker 2: about the rules on there's no rule that says the
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Speaker 2: Sports Minister must take her husband or children to every
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Speaker 2: event she goes to. There's no rule either that she
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Speaker 2: needs to go to every sporting event that the Commonwealth
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Speaker 2: might have some role in. I mean she's going to
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Speaker 2: one that there is no Commonwealth role. She charged taxpayers
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Speaker 2: to go to Flemington, that's right, a day out at
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Speaker 2: the races, and the thoroughbred races. Well, they've got nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with the federal government that there. She is
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Speaker 2: all dold up costing new thousands. Now, when asked about this,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister gave his typical dismissive response.
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Speaker 6: You or your office would have had to approve that,
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Speaker 6: is that right?
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Speaker 4: Did you?
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Speaker 6: Of course, so you did approve this. Of course you
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Speaker 6: thought thirty four grand for a flat bak. We spoke.
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Speaker 7: I didn't get all the receipts, David, I didn't.
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Speaker 2: Get all the receipts made.
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Speaker 4: I know how it works.
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Speaker 2: You've got a very very good estimate in a legal
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Speaker 2: brief from your department. Don't follow it around there with
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Speaker 2: David Spears. This goes to the character of the government,
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Speaker 2: of the Prime minister, the character of this minister and
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Speaker 2: since when did serving the public involve living it up
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Speaker 2: at the public's expense. Second two, the whole arrogance of
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Speaker 2: this government with its ninety three seat majority that thinks
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Speaker 2: it can do no wrong. Now I know that Anthony Albertez,
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Speaker 2: he prides himself and not losing a minister. When this
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Speaker 2: extends to justifying the underjustifiable, whether it's refusing to ad
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Speaker 2: ministers apologize for weaponizing a lie, the whole Britney Higgins saga,
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Speaker 2: refusing to admit that the government is actually bringing back
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Speaker 2: these Isis brides when they told us they would not,
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Speaker 2: or refusing to add ministers repay any of these over
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Speaker 2: the top expenses, voters will start to think the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister himself is the one with the character flaw. Now, sure,
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Speaker 2: compared to the billions they waste on projects like snow
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Speaker 2: two point zero, These tens of thousands of dollars wasted
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Speaker 2: in dubious travel claims, small beer. But it's hard to
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Speaker 2: be frugal in the big things if you're extravagant in
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Speaker 2: the small ones. And look, it's a shocking look right
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Speaker 2: at the moment anyway, for politicians like well So, I
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Speaker 2: might add, earns around four hundred thousand dollars a year
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Speaker 2: in salary to be wasting your money like this. At
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Speaker 2: the same time as today, we've got the Treasurer confirming
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Speaker 2: that power bill rebates will not be extended when they
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Speaker 2: run out at Christmas time.
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Speaker 3: I understand why people are concerned about it, but at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, these are within the rules.
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Speaker 8: People are concerned about it.
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Speaker 2: Last one, are you concerned about a treasure?
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Speaker 3: I've answered your question.
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Speaker 4: Does it concern your treasure?
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Speaker 3: I've answered your question camp.
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Speaker 9: Is it fair for taxpayers to be paying for business
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Speaker 9: class flights as part of the family renew union allowance
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Speaker 9: when households are making difficult decisions about electricity bills?
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Speaker 2: Yes, cool fees and it's an expensive time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much. I refer you to the same
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Speaker 3: answer I gave a cam a moment ago. Thanks very much.
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Speaker 2: As taxpayers, we work really really hard to hurt every
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Speaker 2: dollar that the government takes from us in taks. The
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Speaker 2: least we deserve is that they spend it wisely. And
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Speaker 2: how good wells putting her own hand into her own
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Speaker 2: pocket if she wants to hobnob it around. As I said,
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Speaker 2: she owns really good money if she wants a day
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Speaker 2: out at the races. Good luck to her or a
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Speaker 2: seat at the tennis how about you pay for it
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Speaker 2: like we all do today. Barnaby Joyce, surprise surprise, confirmed
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Speaker 2: on Tamworth Radio that he was leaving the National Party
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Speaker 2: that had given him the privilege of serving in the
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Speaker 2: Parliament for two decades, including as Deputy Prime Minister, in
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Speaker 2: order to join One Nation.
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Speaker 3: A point made an offer to me to come to
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Speaker 3: One Nation, and I have taken that up.
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Speaker 2: Now, I'll make it clear, I've known Barnaby for almost
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Speaker 2: thirty years now. I work closely with him, first in
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Speaker 2: the Senate and later in the House. I like him
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Speaker 2: as a human being and on many levels I agree
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Speaker 2: with his judgments. But on this I think he's made
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Speaker 2: the wrong decision for all the wrong reasons. Let's be clear,
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Speaker 2: the National Party hasn't left Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby Joyce has
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Speaker 2: left the National Party, the party that was more than
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Speaker 2: happy to have him as a respected elder statesman. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: until he started flirting with One Nation, he was still
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Speaker 2: the party's biggest draw card at its fundraising. Since Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen's return to the Parliament in twenty sixteen, One Nation
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Speaker 2: has probably been the most responsible of all the various
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Speaker 2: protest parties in the Senate. But we as a country
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Speaker 2: don't need more people amplifying the chorus of complaint. We
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Speaker 2: actually need more good people in a position to make
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Speaker 2: a difference. Good people in the parties of government that
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Speaker 2: should they get in make our country better, even as
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Speaker 2: a National Party backbench. So that's where Barnaby could have
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Speaker 2: helped to bring about. He drove the issue of the
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Speaker 2: voice and we got there. He drove the issue of
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Speaker 2: net zero and they got there too. Instead now jumping
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Speaker 2: ship to one nation and it'll be just another MP
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Speaker 2: complaining about bad government without providing a credible alternative. Then
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Speaker 2: there's Barnaby's justification believing that the Nats, he said, weren't
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Speaker 2: listening to him and they want a generational change. Well, frankly,
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Speaker 2: that sounds more like a dummy spit than a decision
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Speaker 2: of principle. Today he said that Hanson had driven the
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Speaker 2: political agenda and pushed the Coalition into dropping that zero
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Speaker 2: or wrong, Barnaby wrong. Wasn't Pauline who pushed the Coalition
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Speaker 2: into dropping the zero. It was you, you and people
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Speaker 2: like Matt Canavan as well. And now you'll never again
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Speaker 2: have the chance to bring about worthwhile change in a
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Speaker 2: party room of government. And I just think it's sad
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Speaker 2: that someone who's been a force for good in our
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Speaker 2: public life has now often to become part of the
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Speaker 2: circus that's dragging our country down. Well, this is the
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Speaker 2: bloke that had the question of the day in the
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Speaker 2: Treasurer's press conference. Let's go to Camvan now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: The Skynese political reporter.
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Speaker 10: Cam redded Good evening, disappointment for households in hope of
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Speaker 10: more cost of living relief with confirmation the government will
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Speaker 10: not extend powerbill rebates beyond Christmas.
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Speaker 3: This wasn't an easy decision, but it's the right decision.
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Speaker 10: Prices are only going to continue to go up in
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty six, so it's going to be a tough Christmas.
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Speaker 10: As the Treasurer withdraws powerbill relief in the name of savings,
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Speaker 10: one of his colleagues, the Communications Minister Anika Wells, remains
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Speaker 10: immersed in an expensive scandal.
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Speaker 8: But ask you to talk to Australian households. So you've
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Speaker 8: just told are now going to lose their energy will
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Speaker 8: rebate after Christmas? How should they feel?
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Speaker 4: And how did you feel?
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Speaker 8: When they see Anika Wells out there spending like it's
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Speaker 8: Black Friday on expensive dinners in Paris and trips overseas
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Speaker 8: and ski trips in Threadbow.
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Speaker 3: You know, I understand why people are interested in it,
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Speaker 3: and I understand why people are cons earned about it.
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Speaker 6: Are you concerned?
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Speaker 3: Out a treasurer of answer? Treasurer of answered your question?
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Speaker 6: Camp, thank you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I don't think she should be doing that.
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Speaker 2: That's not right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too much money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because people can't afford to put food on the table,
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Speaker 2: they can't afford to pay green and she's out dining
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Speaker 2: and whining.
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Speaker 10: And one of politics' worst kept secrets has been confirmed.
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Speaker 10: The former National's Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce has formally
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Speaker 10: defected to One Nation.
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Speaker 9: It's about growing the team and bringing on other people
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Speaker 9: to enhance what we have to offer and people will
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Speaker 9: look at One Nation with a different focus.
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Speaker 10: The political killing season not done yet. A third state
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Speaker 10: Liberal leader has been replaced in as many weeks. First
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Speaker 10: term MP Ashton Hearn succeeds Vincent Tazia, who resigned last week.
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Speaker 2: I'm a mum, I'm a daughter of a farmer.
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Speaker 9: I'm a public school educated person.
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Speaker 10: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra right.
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Speaker 2: Don't have been out to get across all of that
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Speaker 2: Sky's political political contributa. I'm sorry, Chris Yellman. Chris, we'll
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Speaker 2: get into Anicha Wells in a moment. And that change.
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Speaker 2: In South Australia, I think it's interesting. Lives are now
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Speaker 2: led by three women Victoria, New South Wales and South Australia.
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Speaker 2: Three female opposition leaders and every single one of them
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Speaker 2: are in their first term of parliament. But let's go
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Speaker 2: to the comments today from the Treasurrah. Those subsidies will end,
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Speaker 2: and they'll end at Christmas time. Have a listen.
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Speaker 3: The Cabinet decided this morning are not to extend the
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Speaker 3: electricity bill rebates. The Commonwealth has spent almost seven billion
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Speaker 3: dollars on these three rounds of energy bill rebates. We've
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Speaker 3: encouraged people not to see these as a permanent feature
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Speaker 3: of the budget, and the Cabinet has agreed today, decided
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Speaker 3: today that they won't be extended into a fourth round.
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Speaker 2: No, I agree, this is a budgetary sense. I think
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Speaker 2: they have to do this. They can't keep paying out
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Speaker 2: billions Chris. But the timing of it will hurt them
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Speaker 2: and the timing it, of course, is going to hurt
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Speaker 2: families in small business and it's going to have an
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Speaker 2: impact on inflation.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely every time we see these subsidies come off, because
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Speaker 11: don't forget the state governments also spent billions trying to
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Speaker 11: disguise the real energy pain from Australians, and every time
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Speaker 11: they come off, we see power prices rip up to
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Speaker 11: near their real price. Now this will be the last
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Speaker 11: band Aid to be ripped off and we'll see those
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Speaker 11: prices spike again in the new year when those subsidies
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Speaker 11: are gone completely. But now it's time for the Labor
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Speaker 11: Party to deliver on its promise. Peter, what did the
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Speaker 11: Labor Party promise two elections ago that would bring down
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Speaker 11: the price of electricity?
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Speaker 6: How would it do that? It said?
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Speaker 11: Or when you put more wind and solar on the system,
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Speaker 11: they say that means that electricity prices will fall because
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Speaker 11: when they generate, they generate at net near zero prices.
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Speaker 11: But of course they don't create an electricity system. You
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Speaker 11: need an elaborate life support system to keep them all
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Speaker 11: together and delivering twenty four to seven electricity. The cost
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Speaker 11: of this system is growing exponentially, it will continue to grow.
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Speaker 11: That cost will be reflected in your bills, and that
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Speaker 11: cost cost will help to destroy people's livelihoods, people's lives
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Speaker 11: and industry in this country. So now we'll see what
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Speaker 11: the real price of what.
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Speaker 6: We're doing is. And I think that's a good thing.
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Speaker 2: I think this is why it's going to hurt the
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Speaker 2: government this issue because a collides at the same time
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Speaker 2: as Anicha Wells. You know, the pensioner with a seven
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars power bill can't fathom how someone can spend
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Speaker 2: ninety eight thousand dollars of their money on flights to
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Speaker 2: New York. The pension has probably never flown at the
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Speaker 2: point of end of the play, never will. These ministers
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Speaker 2: seem to do it routinely. They seemingly have gotten what
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Speaker 2: the cost of a dollar is to that taxpayer. Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clenal really went after Anika Wells yesterday. And when you
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Speaker 2: look at the litany of her trips, we've got some
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Speaker 2: of them on the screen there, you will see that
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Speaker 2: there's been just so many and this line from her
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Speaker 2: that it's all inside the guidelines. Well, let's remember the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's coming because he was pushed by David Spears
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Speaker 2: on this on the ABC and was forced to admit
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Speaker 2: that he actually did sign it all off.
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Speaker 5: Have a listen, you or your office would have had
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Speaker 5: to approve that, Is that right?
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Speaker 4: Did you?
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Speaker 6: Of course, so you did approve this.
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Speaker 5: Of course you thought thirty four grand for a fret
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Speaker 5: spoke wishpoke.
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Speaker 7: I didn't get all the receipts, David.
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Speaker 2: I make the point, Chris, they signed off multiple times.
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Speaker 2: You get the folders, you get the bids, you sign
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Speaker 2: that off six months out, you put those in the
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Speaker 2: bin and you say those ones can go forward. When
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Speaker 2: they go forward, you get a brief per minister with
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Speaker 2: all the detail out there, signed off by the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister twice. And yet it's burning because this woman and
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Speaker 2: her costs are something I've never seen. They are extraordinary.
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Speaker 11: Well, Peter, you and I have seen this show before
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Speaker 11: and the amount of money is really immaterial. It's symbolic,
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Speaker 11: and it comes at a time when people are really
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Speaker 11: feeling a sense of pain, and particularly around those electricity bills.
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Speaker 11: And I have met the people who have to make
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Speaker 11: choices about whether or they're going to put the power
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Speaker 11: on in winter in order to heat their homes. So yes,
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Speaker 11: this is the sort of thing that does bite. It
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Speaker 11: has a symbolic effect for the rest of the government.
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Speaker 11: Sends a message to people that the government cares more
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Speaker 11: about itself than it does about them, that it's being indulgent.
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Speaker 11: Now it may well be within the guidelines. We've heard
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Speaker 11: that story again too. What matters now for the minister, though,
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Speaker 11: is once these things start, they have a tendency to continue.
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Speaker 11: She will want to hope that there isn't too much more.
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Speaker 11: At some stage, if this begins to bite against the government,
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Speaker 11: then governments make a decision about whether or not the
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Speaker 11: ministry is worth keeping. Now everyone will be wanting to
18:35
Speaker 11: get their house in order. But this is the thing
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Speaker 11: that would be going through my mind if I as
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Speaker 11: the minister at the moment. Was this actually for the
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Speaker 11: first instance we've seen Peter in a long time of
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Speaker 11: really good opposition research. That would be a very healthy
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Speaker 11: sign for the opposition. Or was it someone in her
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Speaker 11: own party who really doesn't like her, And maybe it
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Speaker 11: was a journalist who is very good at their job.
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Speaker 11: All three of those possibilities are open, but they'd play
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Speaker 11: on your mind.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you who, but I've been
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Speaker 2: in quite a few emails from labor connected people reminding
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Speaker 2: me of a couple of the rules and the rule
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Speaker 2: changes that have been reversed. Chris, So that will give
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Speaker 2: you a bit of a sting as to where some
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Speaker 2: of this stuff is coming from. But what staggers me
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Speaker 2: the number of staff. You know, in the avid ear
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Speaker 2: of the howard are you took one staff for only
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Speaker 2: You don't need two staff to go for a six
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Speaker 2: minute speech to New York. I think you can do
19:21
Speaker 2: that speech by zoom anyway. But that's there. But also
19:27
Speaker 2: the volume of her travel. I think taking a spouse
19:31
Speaker 2: to everything. I think God of the days that you
19:33
Speaker 2: travel husband and wife to represent Australia, or you take
19:36
Speaker 2: your partner down to the Grand Prix. If these things
19:39
Speaker 2: are events that are working, events that she's meant to
19:42
Speaker 2: be at working, then I don't think the family should
19:45
Speaker 2: be there at all, and I certainly don't think the
19:47
Speaker 2: taxpayers should be paying for the husband and the kids. Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, and on some fronts, I do have sympathy for
19:55
Speaker 11: MPs in Canberra who are a long way from their
19:57
Speaker 11: home and there is a reason for having this family
20:00
Speaker 11: reunion thing. But I think that most people would think
20:02
Speaker 11: that would be for them to come to Canberra, perhaps
20:05
Speaker 11: during a sitting week, not to go Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Chris, let me jump in there. But you're a journal
20:09
Speaker 2: You traveled, You traveled all the time. You didn't travel
20:11
Speaker 2: with your spouse. I know people who work five fo
20:14
Speaker 2: I know ambos that go away and you know work
20:16
Speaker 2: in country regional areas on theirs of contract work. My
20:20
Speaker 2: sister works in Aboriginal missions as a nurse. They don't
20:23
Speaker 2: get to take their family. I mean, politicians aren't the
20:25
Speaker 2: only one who are separated from their families for work.
20:28
Speaker 2: I don't think the taxpayer should have to pay for that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, certainly.
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Speaker 11: I'm just saying that if you're talking about something being
20:34
Speaker 11: within the guidelines, I think the guidelines the idea of
20:37
Speaker 11: this is that people travel to canber when you're there
20:39
Speaker 11: a long way from home, and so I don't see
20:41
Speaker 11: that going on a skiing wholiday for example, would fit
20:44
Speaker 11: even within the spirit of the guidelines as they stand.
20:48
Speaker 2: I think it's a croc and I think the opposition's
20:51
Speaker 2: never going to really go for it because it always
20:53
Speaker 2: happens on the other side when they get in to
20:56
Speaker 2: get strung yep. I'll leave it there, thanks Chris. Let's
21:01
Speaker 2: go today to federal cab that considering a policy for
21:04
Speaker 2: an East coast gas reservation, with an announcement we're told
21:08
Speaker 2: expected next week. Manufacturers, unions and ironically the Victorian government
21:13
Speaker 2: are all putting pressure on the federal government to impose
21:15
Speaker 2: a reservation scheme with a hope that this will put
21:18
Speaker 2: down with pressure on energy prices. Jotmen now to discuss
21:22
Speaker 2: how it might work. MST Financial Senior Energy analyst Saalcavonic
21:27
Speaker 2: so gas reservation in simple layman's terms, explain what one
21:32
Speaker 2: is and how it might work if we had one
21:35
Speaker 2: on the East.
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Speaker 1: Coast, Well Peter as a starting point. It's important for
21:41
Speaker 1: us to recognize why the government is reviewing its gas
21:45
Speaker 1: policy and looking to impose a reservation. And that's because
21:49
Speaker 1: the gas market intervention and policy that Labour developed at
21:53
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty two, in fact almost to
21:55
Speaker 1: the day to three years ago and twenty twenty three
21:58
Speaker 1: has turned out to be an absolute abject failure for
22:02
Speaker 1: every single stakeholder in the market. And now the government's
22:06
Speaker 1: own regulatory bodies are acknowledging that that policy intervention by
22:09
Speaker 1: Labor has resulted in less gas overall in the market,
22:13
Speaker 1: which of course is putting upward pressure on prices, and
22:16
Speaker 1: that's why Labour's looking to ultimately repeal and replace the
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Speaker 1: mistake that they made three years ago. Now, what a
22:24
Speaker 1: gas reservation is is very much in the eye of
22:27
Speaker 1: the beholder and Labour's being very tight lipped about what
22:31
Speaker 1: this could be. Now, in theory, we could a reservation
22:36
Speaker 1: policy quite more similar to what we see on the
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Speaker 1: West Coast of Australia could present a better outcome than
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Speaker 1: the current patchwork of overlapping and ultimately failed policy mechanisms
22:49
Speaker 1: regarding gas on the East Coast, whereby essentially via a
22:55
Speaker 1: permit scheme, links the amount of exports that can happen
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Speaker 1: to the amount of domestic gas that will be delivered
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Speaker 1: into the market. But the devil will be in the details.
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Speaker 1: And the concern I have speaking with industry participants over
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Speaker 1: the last week is the government still seems to be
23:12
Speaker 1: working on key elements of this policy. Even at this
23:15
Speaker 1: late hour. They're telling different things to different industry participants.
23:19
Speaker 1: There's so many cooks here. We've got the Prime Minister's office,
23:22
Speaker 1: Bowen's office, King's office, Farrell's Office, Airs Office all involved.
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Speaker 1: And the concern here is while this is an opportunity
23:29
Speaker 1: to put an end to the constant market interventions and
23:32
Speaker 1: put a sustainable reservation policy in place, that instead Labor
23:35
Speaker 1: are going to botch it once again and leave everyone
23:39
Speaker 1: worse off, higher prices for everyone here in Australia. And
23:42
Speaker 1: then they're going to intervene and change the policy in
23:44
Speaker 1: another two to three years time because this one again
23:47
Speaker 1: won't work.
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Speaker 2: I guess underlying all of that is their fundamental opposition
23:52
Speaker 2: to gas. I mean that's part of the problem. So
23:55
Speaker 2: you know, they speak with a forked tongue. They need gas,
23:59
Speaker 2: they need to reserve gas than in gas for the transition.
24:01
Speaker 2: It's fundamentally the left of the party, the left of
24:04
Speaker 2: the Parliament are anti gas. And it's no better highlighted
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Speaker 2: than the fact that in this bid for a reservation, Saul,
24:11
Speaker 2: we've got the Victorian government saying we must have a
24:14
Speaker 2: gas reservation on the East Coast. But it's the same
24:17
Speaker 2: Victorian government that have banned gas exploration in the state.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Victorian government is beyond the pale on
24:26
Speaker 1: this hostility towards gas for years now, and yet they
24:31
Speaker 1: essentially want to now force Queenslanders to take less royalties,
24:37
Speaker 1: have less tax revenue themselves in order to subsidize Victoria
24:41
Speaker 1: refuses to develop their own gas, which is beyond ridiculous.
24:44
Speaker 1: I mean that said, we should acknowledge that at a
24:47
Speaker 1: federal level level, labor government has moved more to the center,
24:51
Speaker 1: particularly since the election on gas at least at a
24:54
Speaker 1: high level kind of understanding setting, but that has yet
24:58
Speaker 1: to filter down into the detail. We still have huge
25:01
Speaker 1: approval problems. We still have a labor government funding activist
25:04
Speaker 1: lawfare against the gas projects. And the problem and the
25:10
Speaker 1: concern that I really have here is if they don't
25:13
Speaker 1: get the details right and they kick it into next year,
25:15
Speaker 1: we're going to end up with another freeze of investment
25:18
Speaker 1: and it's just going to make the same problem we've
25:20
Speaker 1: had over the last few years getting worse, and it's
25:22
Speaker 1: really getting to work closer and closer to crunch time.
25:25
Speaker 1: We're already seeing thousands of jobs being lost, manufacturing shutting
25:28
Speaker 1: down because of high energy and particularly high gas prices
25:31
Speaker 1: across the East coast of Australia. We really need to
25:34
Speaker 1: fix this now. We can't afford it to let it
25:36
Speaker 1: keep going on.
25:38
Speaker 2: Just can I get a quick comment before we go?
25:39
Speaker 2: So Victoria AGL has walked away from a windshore wind
25:43
Speaker 2: farm and offshore wind farm. This was the third project
25:48
Speaker 2: for Gippsland that's now gone belly up in the terms
25:51
Speaker 2: of the transition. This doesn't vode well.
25:56
Speaker 1: Well it doesn't, and I mean these projects have been uneconomic.
25:59
Speaker 1: And the problem then is what the government's been planning
26:01
Speaker 1: towards these green targets which are now going to be
26:04
Speaker 1: impossible to meet, and they haven't planned the contingency in place,
26:07
Speaker 1: and in fact Lillie Dimbrosio's bragged about the fact she
26:11
Speaker 1: hasn't even discussed the potential of extending Quali fire power
26:15
Speaker 1: generation further to make up that gap. The other concern
26:18
Speaker 1: here would be we've seen a recent announcement, for example,
26:20
Speaker 1: by Snowy underpinning new wind farms, and my concern here
26:25
Speaker 1: would be, you know, on your previous segment where they're
26:28
Speaker 1: taking away some subsidies for energy users, but we might
26:32
Speaker 1: see the government using Snowy to essentially subsidize uneconomic renewable
26:36
Speaker 1: power via more or less transparent means, and the taxpayers
26:40
Speaker 1: are now starting to fork the bill here.
26:41
Speaker 6: In addition, to energy users.
26:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it worse. I'll over there, soul, thank you. After
26:48
Speaker 2: break Isis brides will go back to them. Labors instinct
26:51
Speaker 2: for secrecy. More out of that to explain. Plus why
26:55
Speaker 2: are tax pays back here renewables company chaired by a
26:57
Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party official. More in that too, Well the
27:06
Speaker 2: back still the come the worrying relationship between the ABC
27:09
Speaker 2: and an activist trans rights lobby group. First, I want
27:13
Speaker 2: to return to Labour's secrecy. It's the obsession with secrecy
27:17
Speaker 2: and the whole issue of the repatriation of the so
27:20
Speaker 2: called Isis brides. I don't prefer to call them Islamic
27:24
Speaker 2: State co conspirators or co collaborators. It was late last
27:28
Speaker 2: week the documents revealed the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke
27:31
Speaker 2: had those meetings behind closed doors with Save the Children
27:35
Speaker 2: who were lobbying to bring these women to Australia. The
27:39
Speaker 2: whole issue became a focal point of estimates last week
27:42
Speaker 2: at which ministers and bureaucrats were at pains to insist
27:45
Speaker 2: that they didn't in fact repatriate the cohort. At words, interesting,
27:50
Speaker 2: Jo we now someone who knows a lot about the subject,
27:53
Speaker 2: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Peter Jennings, Well, but you've
27:57
Speaker 2: written about this today, and for all the promises they
28:00
Speaker 2: may prior to be being elected that they would be transparent,
28:04
Speaker 2: where what rightly they accuse of Scott Morrison government of
28:07
Speaker 2: not being transparent. Labor's addicted to secrecy. They're not transparent
28:12
Speaker 2: at all.
28:14
Speaker 5: They sure are, Peter, And that's been a theme of
28:17
Speaker 5: Labor and government for the last four years now, at
28:20
Speaker 5: every stage of the way, from the fact that we
28:23
Speaker 5: now have to pay to have access to freedom of
28:26
Speaker 5: information it's no longer free. The fact that my old department,
28:30
Speaker 5: the Defense Department, is now classifying and refusing to release
28:34
Speaker 5: information about projects which used to be publicly available in
28:37
Speaker 5: an annual report. The fact even that the Prime Minister
28:41
Speaker 5: says to journalists at press gatherings you only get one
28:44
Speaker 5: question and no follow ups, and everyone kind of quietly
28:48
Speaker 5: goes along with that. At every stage and in every way,
28:51
Speaker 5: this government is trying to hold back or contain information,
28:56
Speaker 5: or make sure that it's spin dominates and no one
28:59
Speaker 5: else can get a word in.
29:01
Speaker 6: And we're seeing that with the isis Brides.
29:04
Speaker 5: This repatriation process where the government is being exceptionally clever,
29:08
Speaker 5: and how it goes about trying to say that it
29:11
Speaker 5: had nothing to.
29:12
Speaker 6: Do with it.
29:13
Speaker 5: It turns out that they seem to be collaborating quite
29:15
Speaker 5: effectively with a non government organization.
29:17
Speaker 6: To allow it to happen.
29:19
Speaker 5: And we go through the very painful experience of watching
29:23
Speaker 5: senior bureaucrats at Senate committee hearings all of a sudden
29:27
Speaker 5: being unable to remember meetings that they actually attended without
29:31
Speaker 5: getting clarification from the minister sitting at the table. It's
29:34
Speaker 5: all about information management. It's deeply damaging to democracy and
29:40
Speaker 5: to making good policy, and this government is becoming an
29:43
Speaker 5: absolute specialist at doing that.
29:46
Speaker 2: You've set in and play of these very senior meetings
29:49
Speaker 2: with prime ministers and senior ministers, and when a bureaucrat
29:53
Speaker 2: is asked to leave the room, as Tony Burke asked
29:57
Speaker 2: the bureaucrats to leave the room so he could have
30:00
Speaker 2: private conversations with the lobby group, that tells you everything
30:06
Speaker 2: you need to know.
30:08
Speaker 6: It Shure does.
30:09
Speaker 5: And you know, typically what ministers and prime ministers want
30:13
Speaker 5: is they want officials in the room to keep an
30:15
Speaker 5: honest record of what's going on.
30:18
Speaker 6: Can a minister actually have a private conversation with a
30:21
Speaker 6: non government organization.
30:22
Speaker 5: I mean, it really shouldn't be allowed to happen, and
30:26
Speaker 5: I think it's highly suspect. You know, Peter, just quickly,
30:29
Speaker 5: I reflect that the Trump administration thanked the Spanish government
30:34
Speaker 5: for repatriating a couple of people out of Assyrian refugee
30:37
Speaker 5: camp recently. Our government could have decided to actually explain
30:41
Speaker 5: what it was doing and make a virtue of the
30:43
Speaker 5: fact that it was bringing these Australians back. It's chosen, however,
30:47
Speaker 5: to do it in the sneakiest way possible, which I
30:50
Speaker 5: think just makes people more suspicious. But that's a theme
30:55
Speaker 5: about how this government actually runs all areas of public policy.
31:00
Speaker 2: Let's go to all the problems of the renewables roll out.
31:02
Speaker 2: I've spoken about the logistics, the engineering hurdles. In fact,
31:06
Speaker 2: we've had another one offshore wind in Gippsland fallover. But
31:11
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, giving your security background, with the influence of
31:15
Speaker 2: Beijing in a lot of these companies. We know one
31:18
Speaker 2: company in particular is chaired by a serving Communist Party official.
31:24
Speaker 2: This is a two hundred million dollar solar project in Brisbane, sorry,
31:28
Speaker 2: near Bendigo. Big Your pardon in Victoria. It's getting big
31:32
Speaker 2: money out of taxpayers. It's been awarded funding out of
31:36
Speaker 2: the Capacity investment scheme run by Chris Bowen. How concerned?
31:39
Speaker 2: Which should we be here?
31:43
Speaker 5: Look, we should be desperately concerned. This government is forgetting
31:47
Speaker 5: all of the lessons of hard decisions taken by past governments,
31:51
Speaker 5: for example, to keep China.
31:53
Speaker 6: Out of the five g IT rollout.
31:57
Speaker 5: And there's really two big reasons for concern. One is
32:00
Speaker 5: that we're making ourselves more and more dependent on a
32:04
Speaker 5: state which does not have Australia's best interests at heart.
32:07
Speaker 5: The Chinese have their own strategic objectives. The second reason
32:12
Speaker 5: is that we're seeing Chinese technology increasingly becoming the dominant
32:16
Speaker 5: factor of Australian critical infrastructure, so the grid, ports, airports,
32:22
Speaker 5: all manners of it connectivity. This gives China the capacity
32:28
Speaker 5: to do damage to Australia's critical infrastructure during moments of
32:32
Speaker 5: international crisis. It's something that has the Americans worried and
32:36
Speaker 5: the Europeans and frankly any other country that's capable of
32:40
Speaker 5: looking after its critical infrastructure, and we're largely ignoring it
32:44
Speaker 5: all for the sake of convenience. I suppose and perhaps
32:47
Speaker 5: slightly cheaper contracts. Australia has got to wake up to this.
32:52
Speaker 5: Being more dependent on China is a bad thing. And
32:55
Speaker 5: having China deeply enmeshed and controlling Australian critical infrastruct that's
33:00
Speaker 5: even worse, particularly because it gives China the capacity to
33:04
Speaker 5: turn things off or do damage during moments of international crisis.
33:09
Speaker 2: All right, we've got the odds Man talks coming up.
33:11
Speaker 2: We know they held every year alternates between Australia and
33:14
Speaker 2: the United States. It's a defense minister, foreign minister and
33:17
Speaker 2: their counterparts, in this case Miles Wong Heg Seth Rubio.
33:22
Speaker 2: Already there are strong messages out there from the Americans
33:24
Speaker 2: to say we must lift our defense spending. There was
33:28
Speaker 2: all those sort of fake announcements, you know, money on
33:30
Speaker 2: the long finger prior to the Prime Minister finally having
33:34
Speaker 2: that meeting with Donald Trump. I think that brought him
33:36
Speaker 2: a modicum of silence in the room. But there's nowhere
33:39
Speaker 2: to hide. Now the Americans can see that the money
33:42
Speaker 2: is not real, the money is not in the immediate
33:44
Speaker 2: budget forward numbers, and of course they're sending pretty tough
33:48
Speaker 2: messages in Americans to the Europeans on NATO. I don't
33:53
Speaker 2: think we're going to get away with this unscathed, Nor
33:55
Speaker 2: should we, Peter. Nor should we.
33:57
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, really should be doing this because it's
34:01
Speaker 5: important for our own defense, not just to please the Americans.
34:04
Speaker 5: But I think that this is going to be a
34:06
Speaker 5: very tough meeting. I think the Americans will say, Okay, well,
34:09
Speaker 5: we've now decided to provide you with our nuclear technology
34:12
Speaker 5: for submarines, but your Australians, you've got to be prepared
34:15
Speaker 5: to pay for it. Show us where these ships are
34:17
Speaker 5: going to be based, Show us how you're going to
34:19
Speaker 5: store the nuclear waste.
34:20
Speaker 6: Where are the naval crews going to come from.
34:23
Speaker 5: There's many many areas where we are just failing to
34:28
Speaker 5: with sufficient speed gear up to be able to take
34:31
Speaker 5: on that nuclear technology. And so the Americans realize that
34:35
Speaker 5: we're dragging the chain. And I think when it comes
34:38
Speaker 5: to this meeting in DC, we're going to have some
34:41
Speaker 5: pretty hard messages read to us about the need to
34:44
Speaker 5: lift spending and not at the end of the decade, Peter,
34:47
Speaker 5: but you know this year and over the next few years,
34:50
Speaker 5: and to do so quickly in the way that taiwan
34:52
Speaker 5: Is and a number.
34:54
Speaker 6: Of other countries.
34:55
Speaker 5: Our government has fought against that, but the time has
34:58
Speaker 5: now come and I think they'll some pretty It'll be
35:01
Speaker 5: a lot of tough love in DC when our ministers
35:04
Speaker 5: get together with their American counterparts.
35:07
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see if it makes a difference. We'll leave
35:09
Speaker 2: it there, thank you. After the break. Concern over the
35:11
Speaker 2: ABC's links to a activist trans lobby group and is
35:16
Speaker 2: it impact in the ABC coverage in the moment talk
35:24
Speaker 2: about coming up. It's now official Bunnama Joyce has joined
35:26
Speaker 2: One Nation. The One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashfield
35:29
Speaker 2: join me shortly with all the latest there, but we'll
35:31
Speaker 2: go to another story first about concerns regarding the influence
35:35
Speaker 2: of a leading LGBT QI plus you got it, you
35:40
Speaker 2: know it lobby group the influencer have on our national broadcaster. Now,
35:45
Speaker 2: you don't have to watch or listen to the ABC
35:47
Speaker 2: for long to see how often its content aligned with
35:51
Speaker 2: activist talking points. While there are legitimate stories to cover
35:55
Speaker 2: in this space, there absolutely are, and you know we
35:56
Speaker 2: do it here often, particularly about women and girls and
35:59
Speaker 2: the private spaces and sport. There are serious questions about
36:06
Speaker 2: whether the ABC is compromising its editorial independence to pursue
36:11
Speaker 2: status from some of these groups. The biggest one is ACON.
36:15
Speaker 2: It's an organization that was once known as the AIDS
36:18
Speaker 2: Council of New South Wales. Now it's Australia is equivalent
36:21
Speaker 2: of a UK group stone Wall. Now, like stone Wall,
36:25
Speaker 2: ACON has shifted focus from being about gay rights. Now
36:30
Speaker 2: gays can get married. It's got to find something else
36:32
Speaker 2: to talk about, doesn't it, And it's moved into the
36:34
Speaker 2: aggressive a trans space, pushing a radical gender agenda across
36:40
Speaker 2: business and government departments, particularly amongst young people. You'll be
36:45
Speaker 2: noown to discuss this further. Women's Forum Australia Head of Advocacy,
36:49
Speaker 2: Stephanie Bastian. Stephanie, welcome to the program. We saw that
36:53
Speaker 2: expose a in The Australian over the weekend about how
36:57
Speaker 2: tax paid funded broadcast are in the ABC has effectively
37:01
Speaker 2: been scored and rewarded by this external ideological lobby group. Now,
37:07
Speaker 2: how is it at all acceptable for the ABC to
37:10
Speaker 2: be chasing approval from this transactivist organization.
37:18
Speaker 9: Well, good evening, Peter, great to join you. Quite frankly,
37:21
Speaker 9: it's not acceptable. The fact of the matter is gender
37:24
Speaker 9: ideology has flourished in this company in this country because
37:27
Speaker 9: the BBC hasn't done its job and reported both sides.
37:31
Speaker 9: About forty five percent of Australians still get their news
37:33
Speaker 9: from the ABC across all its platforms. It's reaching millions
37:37
Speaker 9: of Australians. Yet when it comes to cases like the
37:41
Speaker 9: Justice Strum case where he found that that one of
37:44
Speaker 9: the key authors of the transgender guidelines was biased in
37:49
Speaker 9: not relying on appropriate evidence, or when you know Chickle
37:54
Speaker 9: Verse Giggle was in court, they failed to air the
37:56
Speaker 9: side of Salgrove, the woman at the center of the case.
37:59
Speaker 9: Or even when it came to male trans identified prisoners
38:03
Speaker 9: being housing women's prisons, they once again failed to report
38:06
Speaker 9: on that. They are not keeping the public informed on
38:09
Speaker 9: the harms of gender ideology in this country.
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Speaker 2: And it is utterly inappropriate.
38:13
Speaker 9: And I think Senator Sarah Henderson has called for a
38:17
Speaker 9: Senate review into its impartiality and its lack of it,
38:20
Speaker 9: and I think it couldn't happen soon enough.
38:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a good looking to Acon. They are
38:27
Speaker 2: a charity by DENTI of its appearance on the Charities
38:32
Speaker 2: Register and we can see that there is about one
38:34
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars it washes through the charity every year.
38:37
Speaker 2: A lot of the money comes out of government entities.
38:41
Speaker 2: But what they are doing with their events and their
38:44
Speaker 2: awards and their ranking of organizations including the ABC, the
38:51
Speaker 2: groups that get platinum status from ACON have higher cachet
38:56
Speaker 2: amongst other organs of the left. They want to be bad,
39:00
Speaker 2: being very pro trand and the suggestion is that then
39:04
Speaker 2: undermines the stories that they run. They're not being impartial,
39:07
Speaker 2: they're not weighing up both sides of a particular argument,
39:09
Speaker 2: let's say with the gender treatment and young people, but
39:12
Speaker 2: they're basically effectively outsourcing a part of their judgment, their
39:17
Speaker 2: editorial judgment, to these activists.
39:24
Speaker 9: That's right. And you mentioned in the beginning the comparisons
39:28
Speaker 9: with Stonewall, which is the UK equivalent, and the BBC
39:31
Speaker 9: had also signed up these public broadcasters, by the way,
39:36
Speaker 9: pay for their membership with these organizations that are influencing
39:39
Speaker 9: their editorial. And in the end the BBC withdrew from
39:44
Speaker 9: Somewell because of the public perception that it was influencing
39:46
Speaker 9: them and the lack of trust that it was bringing
39:49
Speaker 9: into the BBC. And the same thing is happening here.
39:52
Speaker 9: You cannot have any it actually doesn't matter whether it's
39:55
Speaker 9: the ABC or any other news outlet. Any news outlet
39:58
Speaker 9: that has subscri tribe to an activist organization like a
40:02
Speaker 9: Coon runs the risk of being perceived as biased. You
40:05
Speaker 9: cannot be winning award from an organization that has its
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Speaker 9: fingerprints in government, in the workplace, in education, in healthcare
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Speaker 9: without fulfilling your obligations to that membership. It's just wrong.
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Speaker 9: The BBC should withdraw its membership. Sorry, and so should
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Speaker 9: the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Right well over there, thank you Stephanie. Stephanie Bastie in
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Speaker 2: their Women's Forum Australia Coming Out confirmation, Barnaby Joys today
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Speaker 2: we'll join one nation. So what happens now with the
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Speaker 2: coalition in the National Party in particular, and you're polling
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Speaker 2: out on the coalition and one Nation. We'll get to
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Speaker 2: that in a moment. Welcome back part of a Joys confirmed.
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Speaker 2: He did the dance for a long time dance. The
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Speaker 2: seven veils now is absolutely there with one Nation joining
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Speaker 2: Pollie Hanson and making that announcement today after months and
40:53
Speaker 2: months of speculation, let's get the lattest done that with
40:56
Speaker 2: my Monday Night panel. Senior Fellow at Mens's Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick Cator One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby, Well, James,
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Speaker 2: you're in the hot seat tonight, Barnaby, Well, we knew
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Speaker 2: this was coming. Why on earth wasn't out front weeks
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Speaker 2: and weeks ago and make it all plain while eb
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Speaker 2: till parliament had risen and where in the back end
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Speaker 2: of Christmas? It looks a bit shifty to me.
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Speaker 4: I think you're a bit dirty, Peter.
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Speaker 12: I heard your comments at the start of the show,
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Speaker 12: and you're allowed to be dirty. But I think the
41:24
Speaker 12: only reason you're dirty is because your own party are
41:27
Speaker 12: not sufficiently delivering the policy platforms that the Australian public
41:31
Speaker 12: are looking for. So is it any wonder why Barnaby
41:34
Speaker 12: Joyce put himself out there. He gave fair warning to
41:37
Speaker 12: the National Party, as you're well aware, he gave fair
41:40
Speaker 12: warning some time ago.
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Speaker 4: You're aware, Peter.
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Speaker 12: Dudn't ask him to leave before the last election. David
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Speaker 12: Little Proud is more or less said go. That's why
41:48
Speaker 12: he was parked in that corner on the back bench.
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Speaker 12: He hasn't asked a question since been re elected in
41:53
Speaker 12: the more recent parliament.
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Speaker 4: So look, I know they're upset.
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Speaker 12: I know you're upset, but take your aggression out on
41:59
Speaker 12: the right people, and that is the Liberal and National Party.
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Speaker 12: They're the ones that are deficient in policy and One
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Speaker 12: Nation are leading the charge, particularly when it comes to
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Speaker 12: energy and also on immigration. So they're the two Beccause
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Speaker 12: of Olympics, we've led the charge on and.
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Speaker 4: You've changed the path.
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Speaker 12: You've changed your policy setting as a result of that.
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Speaker 12: Unfortunately it was too late. You left it too late
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Speaker 12: to maintain Barnaby, we got him.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's no you in here in any of this right.
42:27
Speaker 2: I'm not running policy for the Liberal Party. I'm not
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Speaker 2: running policy of the National Party. I'm not angry. I'm
42:32
Speaker 2: just disappointed. I'm disappointed because I think that you really
42:35
Speaker 2: want to make a difference. You join the parties that
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Speaker 2: can form government, and unfortunately your side's not there in
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Speaker 2: any way, shape or form yet the National Party in
42:45
Speaker 2: a coalition ever been sure. I know you are, but
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Speaker 2: you're not there. Mate to close his no cigar and Nikato,
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Speaker 2: I want to bring you in. I'm disappointed in Barnaby
42:55
Speaker 2: because he wanted a shift on zero. He got the
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Speaker 2: shift on that. Ziz your own. I think it's been
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Speaker 2: a terrific decision by the coalition to get to that position,
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Speaker 2: and now he's jumping ship.
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Speaker 7: Yeah it's rather strange timing, isn't it, Peter. But you know,
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Speaker 7: I think the challenge, the way Barnaby can redeem himself
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Speaker 7: now is to do what he is desperately needed in
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Speaker 7: one nation, and that's to turn it from the country's
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Speaker 7: most successful center right protest party into a party that's
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Speaker 7: capable of governing, not probably in its own right, but
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Speaker 7: maybe in coalition with the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: Down the track if called upon.
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Speaker 7: That's what he has to do because without that, they
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Speaker 7: will never they will never cross the line and become
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Speaker 7: our new reform party, however much they would wish to be.
43:43
Speaker 7: The fact is that Nigel farajs work long and hard,
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Speaker 7: is an extremely intelligent, extremely astute and strategic politician who's
43:50
Speaker 7: worked long and hard to make Reform not just a
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Speaker 7: protest party but one of the next government of the
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Speaker 7: United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: I think Nick makes a good point. I could hear
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Speaker 2: you say, I think people are underresting, underestimating Paul and Hanson.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you there, James. That's been the story
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Speaker 2: of her life and she's the great survivor, and the
44:11
Speaker 2: party is certainly moving in the polls. I give you that,
44:14
Speaker 2: but the preferential voting system in Australia is not the
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Speaker 2: simple system a first past the post, which makes it
44:22
Speaker 2: easier I think, in the case of Farage to make
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Speaker 2: those big leap, but it.
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Speaker 12: Is compulsory, Peter, and until we are prepared to change
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Speaker 12: the voting system, which we've advocated for for a very
44:35
Speaker 12: long time, there's every chance.
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Speaker 4: That one nation can pick up enough seats, if.
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Speaker 12: Not to win government, win opposition, and that's a good
44:41
Speaker 12: starting place, particularly where we came from the last election. Now,
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Speaker 12: I will also add this one nation have a very
44:48
Speaker 12: very strong chance of getting that balance of power on
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Speaker 12: the next Senate, which is something that this country awfully needs.
44:54
Speaker 12: I don't think you're ready to govern either, so if
44:57
Speaker 12: we were to have that, it would nobble this Labor
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Speaker 12: amund and that is a far far better cry from
45:02
Speaker 12: what we've got at.
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Speaker 4: The present moment.
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Speaker 12: I also think that it's important to recognize that one
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Speaker 12: nation have always said we're putting the Greens and Labor last.
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Speaker 12: I don't know what more you can ask from a party.
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Speaker 12: We are not the enemy, and it's not just people
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Speaker 12: shifting their vote, it's people shifting their membership from the coalition,
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Speaker 12: either the Liberal or National Party. They're not just saying
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Speaker 12: we're going to vote for one nation, they're joining one nation. Peter,
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Speaker 12: and this is where you've underestimated the Australian public and
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Speaker 12: the temperature.
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Speaker 4: In this country.
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Speaker 12: Because what you might't think for a circus and tell
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Speaker 12: you what, it's a failed being park out there with
45:37
Speaker 12: the two major parts.
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Speaker 2: Me out of it, because you know, I've known you
45:41
Speaker 2: a long time. I have always respected one Nation. I
45:44
Speaker 2: think it's a big mistake if you don't respect your opponents.
45:47
Speaker 2: I've always respected to the Labor Party, I've always respected
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Speaker 2: one nation, given the whole that one nation has on
45:54
Speaker 2: a good part of the center right vote. So there's
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Speaker 2: no us in them and you. I mean this is
45:58
Speaker 2: an analysis piece here. I think you've got a long
46:01
Speaker 2: way to go. I think you need more substantial policies
46:04
Speaker 2: to come beyond that zero and immigration. Let's see if
46:07
Speaker 2: that happens. Let's see if the big bull and I
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Speaker 2: won't call her a heifer, and Pauline in the paddock,
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Speaker 2: if they can get along. I've worked closely with Barnaby.
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Speaker 2: That will be interesting. We'll see what happens. Let me
46:22
Speaker 2: pick your brains as a pilot. What do you make
46:24
Speaker 2: of the government's moves consideration today in the front page
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Speaker 2: of the Australian Financial Review that they are talking about
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Speaker 2: selling off our Air Services Australia. It's called our firefighting
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Speaker 2: and our air rescue assets. This worries me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, worries us too.
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Speaker 12: We've never been force selling off strategic assets, particularly in
46:47
Speaker 12: this area. There are some significant changes within Air Services Australia.
46:51
Speaker 12: I know right now it is very difficult to get
46:54
Speaker 12: a lot of the industry's professionals. I know they're already
46:57
Speaker 12: adopting AI, particularly when it comes to those control towers
47:02
Speaker 12: where we just can't get the people. So they're implementing
47:05
Speaker 12: systems which are going to integrate AI. It's very interesting,
47:08
Speaker 12: it's very very dangerous I think at this moment. But
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Speaker 12: I am keen to have a look at the further
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Speaker 12: detail in this because one nation of it never ever
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Speaker 12: believed in privatizing strategic assets like this or services.
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Speaker 2: Anika Wells I made the point at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show. I mean, I call bs on the idea
47:26
Speaker 2: that these costs are legitimate. I don't care about them
47:29
Speaker 2: being inside the guidelines. The guidelines are out of step
47:33
Speaker 2: with the community. In ninety eight thousand dollars taking two
47:36
Speaker 2: star for a six minute speech to New York taking
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Speaker 2: your family on a holiday to Threadbow. I mean, surely
47:43
Speaker 2: the guidelines must change, James.
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Speaker 4: You bet, yeah, one hundred percent. The rule book is broken.
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Speaker 12: If that was the rule of the past and people
47:56
Speaker 12: were doing the right thing, it's clearly been loopholed. And
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Speaker 12: the best at this they think that they can use
48:02
Speaker 12: an announcement like Barnaby.
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Speaker 4: Joyce to get off scott free. Today you're not.
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Speaker 12: And I hope the media follow this money trial because
48:08
Speaker 12: I think it'll only get worse if you investigate. Not
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Speaker 12: just Anaka Wells, but there's a few other ministers there
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Speaker 12: that I think are disgraceful. When it comes to spending
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Speaker 12: the Australian taxpayers money.
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Speaker 4: It's got to stop. Just put a red line through it.
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Speaker 4: It's got to stop.
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Speaker 12: Just like those pensions that we used to pay politicians,
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Speaker 12: all these lurks and perks of expensive overseas trips and
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Speaker 12: you know, bringing family across the country with you.
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Speaker 4: That's got to end.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, gentlemen. We've had some problems with
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Speaker 2: Nick Cator's comms. Thank you Nick for joining us, at
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Speaker 2: least for the first little bit. Thank you James, good
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Speaker 2: luck keeping that barnaby Joyce in line in one nation.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. Thanks for your company. So tomorrow night,
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Speaker 2: here's Andrew