Latest / The World Knowledge / Finding Hope During Unemployment
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Well, good evening, listeners. Thank you again, as always. I'm
- 0:03Speaker 1: so grateful for all you guys who have built this
- 0:06Speaker 1: podcast up, who listen, who watch. And I've just been,
- 0:11Speaker 1: you know, falling across so many different stories this year,
- 0:15Speaker 1: and they're so different. But I came across Dawn Wilcox,
- 0:20Speaker 1: who's on the screen, and then for those listening, you'll
- 0:22Speaker 1: hear her voice.
- 0:24Speaker 2: One of them had a baseball bat, and they said,
- 0:26Speaker 2: where did she go? And I just I mean, I
- 0:29Speaker 2: think about stuff like that. And I mean, I went,
- 0:35Speaker 2: one of the high schools I went to was Ted Bundy's,
- 0:38Speaker 2: his like high school years before, probably 15 years before
- 0:42Speaker 2: I'd been there. But just how common the experience of
- 0:50Speaker 2: male violence is for many women. Yeah. think even women
- 0:57Speaker 2: that don't experience it you know sometimes i think it's
- 1:00Speaker 2: sort of a self-preservation mechanism to sort of blame the
- 1:05Speaker 2: victim you know i call it whistling past the graveyard
- 1:08Speaker 2: you know and you know i'll see women who will
- 1:12Speaker 2: say well he's got neck tattoos what do you expect
- 1:15Speaker 2: of course he killed her or he's you know he
- 1:17Speaker 2: looks like he's you know a bad guy or whatever
- 1:21Speaker 2: And so that's why it's real important to me to
- 1:23Speaker 2: try to find like a picture of the guy that's
- 1:25Speaker 2: not a mugshot. I want you to see him on
- 1:28Speaker 2: the beach proposing to her. I want you to see
- 1:30Speaker 2: the smiling guy, the one that you would look at
- 1:33Speaker 2: and think, gosh, I would have dated him, you know,
- 1:36Speaker 2: because it really can be a crapshoot. I mean, you know,
- 1:41Speaker 2: sometimes men have a history of violence and we don't,
- 1:44Speaker 2: there's no way of knowing that. And sometimes, um, you know,
- 1:48Speaker 2: they don't, um, And so it's certainly something that can
- 1:54Speaker 2: happen to anyone. And it happens most often to women
- 1:59Speaker 2: in their own homes by the men they're supposed to
- 2:02Speaker 2: be able to trust the most.
- 2:05Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you, like, when you
- 2:10Speaker 1: talk about, you know, it's, I feel like it's very
- 2:14Speaker 1: brave of you and I think very discerning, but super hard. Yeah.
- 2:19Speaker 1: because I've never had sexual abuse, but I've had physical
- 2:26Speaker 1: slash verbal, emotional, really rough childhood for me. And I
- 2:34Speaker 1: think it took me, I still struggle with it, trusting
- 2:38Speaker 1: men in general, men who have power or in some
- 2:42Speaker 1: form of authority, because I just don't naturally think they'll
- 2:45Speaker 1: have my best interest. But over the years, like you've said,
- 2:52Speaker 1: meeting men that are kind and men that actually do care,
- 2:56Speaker 1: having to have that balance of like, okay, not all
- 3:00Speaker 1: men are bad and having to give a man the
- 3:04Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt before you're like judging, okay, you're
- 3:07Speaker 1: a man, so you must be bad, which is easy
- 3:09Speaker 1: to do when that's just been your experience. Can I ask,
- 3:15Speaker 1: why do you think First, why do you think femicide
- 3:20Speaker 1: is such a problem in the U.S.? And also, why
- 3:24Speaker 1: do you think that, based on your research, what type
- 3:30Speaker 1: of man is common that you see doing these things?
- 3:35Speaker 1: Or is there any sort of cross in characteristics or personality?
- 3:42Speaker 1: Or what seems to be the motivator for a lot
- 3:46Speaker 1: of these crimes?
- 3:50Speaker 2: Well, with, you know, domestic violence, femicide, it's often a
- 3:54Speaker 2: loss of control. So, you know, I mean, in one
- 3:58Speaker 2: of the largest or most serious predictors of being killed
- 4:03Speaker 2: by a man is if he's coercively controlling, if he's
- 4:05Speaker 2: telling you what to wear and, you know, what you
- 4:09Speaker 2: can do and, you know, very controlling of your friends
- 4:12Speaker 2: and your social media and all that kind of thing.
- 4:15Speaker 2: That's actually a higher risk predictor than physical violence. abuse,
- 4:20Speaker 2: which is mind blowing. So, you know, certainly, um, you know,
- 4:24Speaker 2: we tell women just leave, uh, most women, 75% of
- 4:28Speaker 2: women who are killed, who are in a relationship that's
- 4:33Speaker 2: ending have left or in the process of leaving. And
- 4:36Speaker 2: so for those type of murders, I think it is, um,
- 4:44Speaker 2: you know, it's, it's a loss of control. It is a,
- 4:49Speaker 2: you know, a loss of the relationship. Um, and certainly
- 4:54Speaker 2: I think some of it is, um, you know, and I,
- 4:58Speaker 2: and I don't necessarily always like the term toxic masculinity
- 5:02Speaker 2: because I think masculinity, masculinity has a lot of really wonderful, um, attributes. Um,
- 5:11Speaker 2: you know, um, I'm very appreciative for the ways that
- 5:18Speaker 2: the things that men do, you know, make my life better,
- 5:23Speaker 2: you know, everything from indoor plumbing and air conditioning to
- 5:26Speaker 2: you fought wars so that I have freedom of speech and,
- 5:29Speaker 2: you know, all of those kinds of things. But I
- 5:31Speaker 2: do think that sometimes when men perceive, you know, that they're,
- 5:44Speaker 2: authority or their masculinity is kind of being challenged or
- 5:47Speaker 2: threatened or you know they have kind of marinated in
- 5:54Speaker 2: some of the more negative aspects of what it means
- 5:59Speaker 2: to be a man that can be very threatening kind
- 6:03Speaker 2: of like you know a threat to their integrity to
- 6:08Speaker 2: their perception of their self you know and I do
- 6:13Speaker 2: think a lot of it starts with sort of the
- 6:17Speaker 2: attitudes that they're raised with about women. You know, just
- 6:21Speaker 2: like with any group, when you look at, you know,
- 6:24Speaker 2: the Holocaust or slavery, you know, in order to kill people,
- 6:29Speaker 2: mistreat people, you first kind of have to dehumanize them.
- 6:33Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, it can be very
- 6:36Speaker 2: damaging for men to learn very dehumanizing ideas and language
- 6:41Speaker 2: about women, you know, and certainly femicide is like the,
- 6:45Speaker 2: you know, the end of the road with all of that,
- 6:47Speaker 2: but everything from sexualized slurs and, you know, abuse and,
- 6:56Speaker 2: you know, sexual abuse moving all the way up to femicide.
- 7:01Speaker 2: It's sort of, you know, on a continuum. It doesn't,
- 7:03Speaker 2: femicide doesn't happen in a bad way. You know, and
- 7:08Speaker 2: then when you look at men who commit serial crimes,
- 7:11Speaker 2: sexual homicide or femicide, you know,