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Bonus Episode: Suppressing the Truth, A Brother Under the Bus, and Profit as Virtue · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey disco's, You can listen to an extended version of
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  Speaker 1: This week, we have a brand new episode on r
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  Speaker 2: Yeah me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, The after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we'd like to call the after Party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about our brand new episode on R Kelly, the sources
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  Speaker 1: that we used for this episode, which helped us uncover
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  Speaker 1: a wild story about R Kelly's legal strategy that we
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  Speaker 1: were unable to use in this full episode. We're also
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  Speaker 1: talking about the truth, why it matters, and how we
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  Speaker 1: get to it in this day and age.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about Rick Ruben as well. You're going to
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  Speaker 2: want to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: And of course we've got your voicemails, text and more,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of Rosie.
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  Speaker 3: All right, disc goes, let's get into it, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, guys, I'm writing this week about Tom DeLong from
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  Speaker 1: Blink twenty two, and I'm trying not to think about
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  Speaker 1: R Kelly. I don't want to think about R Kelly,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to think about Diddy. I gotta get
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  Speaker 1: my head out of this, the abuse, out of the darkness.
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  Speaker 1: The Tom DeLong thing is inspiring in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: You'll find out in a couple months when we released
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  Speaker 1: this episode what I'm talking about. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: you'll find out, of course, is that he has dedicated
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  Speaker 1: his life to finding and delivering the truth at great expense,
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  Speaker 1: personal expense and professional to him. You're also going to
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  Speaker 1: find that there are very powerful people in the world
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  Speaker 1: who are dedicated to you never hearing the truth. In
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  Speaker 1: the case of Tom DeLong and disclosure around UFOs and UAPs,
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  Speaker 1: the suppression of truth is overt. But in other ways,
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  Speaker 1: as I humbly continue my journey writing and making podcasts
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  Speaker 1: and telling stories based on the open source research that
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  Speaker 1: me and my team do here, what I'm finding is
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  Speaker 1: that there's a much more sinister mechanism of suppressing the truth.
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  Speaker 2: It's systemic.
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  Speaker 1: When we live in a world where a handful of
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  Speaker 1: corporations control our media, it becomes very easy for them
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  Speaker 1: to develop mechanisms or systems that keep certain stories buried
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  Speaker 1: and perpetuate narratives versions of the truth. If you will
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  Speaker 1: that are much more acceptable and frankly, as a content creator,
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  Speaker 1: as a storyteller, it's fucking maddening.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Instagram or Meta, their parent company rather, is hell bent
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  Speaker 1: on provide a quote unquote safe platform where everyone feels welcome. Now,
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  Speaker 1: on its face, who doesn't want that? It sounds great, However,
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  Speaker 1: it's a crock. What they really want is the biggest
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  Speaker 1: network possible with the most amount of people using it
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  Speaker 1: for as long as possible, so that they can maximize
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  Speaker 1: their revenue AD revenue. The safer the platform, the more
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  Speaker 1: people use it, the bigger the audience they get, and
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  Speaker 1: the more profit they generate. Instagram, YouTube, even X to
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  Speaker 1: some extent, all have some version of this where they
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  Speaker 1: compel you to play by their rules and when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to storytelling, that means coloring within the lines. Again,
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  Speaker 1: at face value, this sounds like a good thing, but
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  Speaker 1: here's an example of where this quickly goes off the rails.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the Garth Brooks episode that we made and released
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months ago where we had fun with
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory that Garth is a serial killer, where
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  Speaker 1: we were obviously tongue in cheek about it. In promoting
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  Speaker 1: that podcast episode on Instagram, I shared a photo on
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  Speaker 1: my stories of Jeffrey Dahmer, not text. There was no context.
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  Speaker 1: I was intending to post a series of serial killer
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  Speaker 1: mugshots and chicily end on an image of Garth with
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  Speaker 1: a question mark. But as soon as I posted that
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer photo again, just the mugshot, I was flagged
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  Speaker 1: by Instagram within seconds and thrown it in quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: Instagram jail, which means that none of my posts reach
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  Speaker 1: anyone outside of my followers. So if you're not following
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  Speaker 1: me on Instagram, you're never going to see anything that
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  Speaker 1: I post. It's never going to come up in your feed,
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  Speaker 1: which is fucking ridiculous. Part of the reason that I
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  Speaker 1: commit to creating content on Instagram with my own money,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, is to reach people who don't yet
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  Speaker 1: know about Disgraceland. Instagram doesn't pay me, and even if
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  Speaker 1: I was monetizing my Instagram content, another one of the
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  Speaker 1: penalties for posting that Dahmer image is demonetization. Now I
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  Speaker 1: remain in Instagram jail because some AI censorship system caught
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  Speaker 1: a Dohmer image. It was prompted to recognize and threw
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  Speaker 1: me in the huscal. This is the second time this
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  Speaker 1: has happened to me, and frankly, I should have known better. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the last time was in twenty twenty, when I posted
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  Speaker 1: an image of Charles Manson to promote the Manson episode
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  Speaker 1: of Disgrace and that we released. Now, this instance was
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  Speaker 1: worse because it took me about a year for me
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  Speaker 1: to even realize that I was being shadow band and
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  Speaker 1: the explanation that I got from Instagram was that I
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  Speaker 1: was promoting a cult by posting an image of Charles
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  Speaker 1: Manson to promote my damn podcast. Do you realize how
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  Speaker 1: fucking dumb this is? Believe me, I realize how stupid
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  Speaker 1: it sounds. And I promise you that I'm not just
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  Speaker 1: complaining here, and then I'm leading up to something. And
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  Speaker 1: here it is. Here's the point, here's the truth of it.
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  Speaker 1: Key emphasis on the word truth. Instagram will tell you
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  Speaker 1: that it's out of an abundance of caution that they
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  Speaker 1: censor such posts so that the quote unquote community remains
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  Speaker 1: safe for all, which is utter bullshit. Tell me how
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  Speaker 1: mugshot photos of Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer are harmful
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  Speaker 1: to the community.
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  Speaker 2: You can't.
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  Speaker 1: This is about profit seeing their profit margin by disguising
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  Speaker 1: their efforts as virtue. Now, the result, in my case,
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  Speaker 1: in the case of the Manson photo anyway, the result
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  Speaker 1: isn't just that I didn't get to post a photo
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  Speaker 1: of Charles Manson. The result is that the truth is
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  Speaker 1: prevented from coming out because in that episode that we
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  Speaker 1: produced on Charles Manson, that's exactly.
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  Speaker 2: What we tell the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Our story directly refutes the accepted historical narrative put forth
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  Speaker 1: by Vincent Bugliosi and Helter Skelter. And our story is
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  Speaker 1: based on facts, not facts that I uncovered. Again, we
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  Speaker 1: do open source research here. We are not journalists, We
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  Speaker 1: are storytellers. For that episode, our facts came from, among
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  Speaker 1: other sources, Tom O'Neil's Chaos, a book he spent decades researching,
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  Speaker 1: a book that he quite literally ruined his life while
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  Speaker 1: making because he was making it. A book that provides
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  Speaker 1: a detailed account of endless sources that completely disrupt what
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  Speaker 1: the public believes to be the truth about Charles Manson
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  Speaker 1: and the Tate LaBianca murders. Now, I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: aggrandize myself.
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  Speaker 2: Or what we do here.
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  Speaker 1: But true stories need to be told by as many
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  Speaker 1: people as possible for the public to accept them as
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  Speaker 1: being the actual truth. Okay, remember when the majority of
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  Speaker 1: Americans believe that John F. Kennedy was killed because of
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  Speaker 1: the so called truth the single bullet theory. That belief
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  Speaker 1: lasted thirty some odd years. It took Oliver Stone, Jerry Seinfeld,
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Danzig, and countless other like mindeds of versus to
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  Speaker 1: beat the drum of the truth while being called conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theorists the entire time, until finally we've arrived where we
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  Speaker 1: are now, which is that nobody who has paid any
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  Speaker 1: attention whatsoever actually believes that Kennedy was killed by a
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  Speaker 1: single bullet from a single gunman. So now, when we
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  Speaker 1: use systemic censorship that puts profit over the truth, then
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  Speaker 1: we as a society are ultimately fucked. In the long run,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred years from now, people will be believing that
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  Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy died of a headache if we aren't careful,
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  Speaker 1: because showing what happened on Dealey Plaza will be too triggering. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are living in the corporate media hellscape that the
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  Speaker 1: punk rockers in the nineteen eighties warned us about and
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  Speaker 1: no one seems to care.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true. I care, you care. That's why you're here.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we do. This is what we are.
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  Speaker 1: Going to continue to do to bring you the stories
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  Speaker 1: that they do not want you to hear. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how, but I'm hell bent on fighting for it.
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  Speaker 1: The truth is just more interesting. And I'm not the
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  Speaker 1: only one who thinks that way. And the irony of
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  Speaker 1: all ironies. Here's Rick Rubin on his podcast Tetragrammaton last
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  Speaker 1: week talking to Tom O'Neill, author of the book I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned Chaos Charles Manson, the CIA in The Secret
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  Speaker 1: History of the Sixties. Here's Rick Rubin talking to that
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  Speaker 1: Tom O'Neill about Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 4: Did you hear the Disgraceland podcast episode about Manson? It's
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  Speaker 4: a cool podcast, and there's a story about what was
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  Speaker 4: happening at the tape house that's much different than the
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  Speaker 4: story that we know involved kind of ritual crazy stuff.
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: What's interesting is if they're saying that happened when Roman
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  Speaker 5: was leasing it. He and Cheron moved in to the
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: very last day of February or first week of March,
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  Speaker 5: and then by the fourth week of March, he went
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: off to London to begin working on an adaptation of
• 10:31
  Speaker 5: Day of the Dolphin that he wanted to direct. And
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: I do write about I wonder if how long ago
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: was the podcast like in the last couple of years, the.
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  Speaker 4: Best couple of years. It's really interesting. You'll like it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm going to find it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, mind blowing. Okay, I'm not going to get into it.
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  Speaker 1: I went I did this whole thing on Instagram about
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  Speaker 1: how this blew my mind.
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  Speaker 2: You can check it out, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But since that that went up, and since I heard
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  Speaker 1: about it, I've since spoken to Tom O'Neill about this,
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  Speaker 1: about what they're talking about here, okay, And Tom has
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  Speaker 1: since listened to the Manson episode that Rick is telling
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  Speaker 1: him about here that I was talking about earlier that
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  Speaker 1: same episode, and Tom told me the episode was quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote great stuff. So if me talking about Charles Manson
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  Speaker 1: is good enough for Tom O'Neill and Rick Rubin, why
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  Speaker 1: isn't it good enough for Instagram? Fuck prophet fuck inconvenient facts?
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: We hear a Disgraceland are going to continue bringing you
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  Speaker 1: the stories they don't for whatever reason that they don't
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  Speaker 1: want you to hear the dark stuff. R Kelly and
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, the weird stuff, Tommy James and Gerald Ford,
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  Speaker 1: the fun stuff, Iggy Pop and David Bowie and Starsky
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  Speaker 1: and fucking Hutch. Those true but stranger than fiction stories
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  Speaker 1: are what make history so damn entertaining the dark side
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  Speaker 1: of entertainment, Disgraceland, I'll be back in a flash.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we are back.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, guys, if you're hearing this
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  Speaker 1: episode on the day that it is released, Thursday, June sixth,
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• 12:25
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  Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. Who cares?
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  Speaker 1: You just want to get here and hang out and
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  Speaker 2: I read.
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  Speaker 1: I've been reading so much lately. I'm really on this
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  Speaker 1: book Club. Now let's talk about some other books, some
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  Speaker 1: other sources that we use for this R Kelly episode.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, there's the official court documents, tons of
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  Speaker 1: profiles and interviews from the publications out there that were
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  Speaker 1: written as well while all this fucked up shit was
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  Speaker 1: going down. There's articles and Vibe. There's articles in gCube.
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  Speaker 1: There's a Vibe article for one, which was published back
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  Speaker 1: in December nineteen ninety four, all the way back in
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, shortly after r Kelly had entered into the
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  Speaker 1: illegal marriage with the underage Aliyah. At this time, no
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  Speaker 1: one knew that r Kelly had paid off a state
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  Speaker 1: employee to get a Leah a fake ID that falsified
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  Speaker 1: her birthdate and made her appear older. But the rumors
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  Speaker 1: were already out there, and this Vibe article gets into
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  Speaker 1: those rumors. But the funny thing about the article is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even you know when the writers with r Kelly,
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  Speaker 1: the writer's given strict instructions to not get out her
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  Speaker 1: tape recorder, to not take out her pen, her paper,
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  Speaker 1: not to write anything down, not to even ask any questions.
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  Speaker 1: R Kelly's having his photos taken for this Vibe magazine
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  Speaker 1: profile and the writer's right there and she asked r
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  Speaker 1: Kelly how he's doing, and no response, and immediately she
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  Speaker 1: gets this look from his personal manager that shuts it down.
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  Speaker 1: Just fucking I don't know what that tells you, but tells.
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  Speaker 2: Me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: The GQ interview from some years later, twenty sixteen after
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  Speaker 1: his acquittal on child pornography charges, and it is a
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  Speaker 1: wild interview.
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  Speaker 2: It's combative at times.
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  Speaker 1: R Kelly's whole attitude is like, well, if they said
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  Speaker 1: I'm not guilty, then I'm not guilty. Even though the
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  Speaker 1: jurors who are quitted him, most of them said that
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  Speaker 1: they're pretty sure that was r Kelly in the tapes
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  Speaker 1: at the center of the trial. So there's that. You
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  Speaker 1: want to check that GQ article out, go back. You
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  Speaker 1: want to put your head into this stuff even more
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  Speaker 1: so you can. It's a wormhole that's hard to get
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  Speaker 1: out of. I'm warning you right now. There's also the
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  Speaker 1: blockbuster BuzzFeed report from twenty seventeen, the title of which
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  Speaker 1: was parents told police their daughter is being held against
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  Speaker 1: her will in r Kelly's cult.
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  Speaker 2: That article, I.
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  Speaker 1: Remember when I was released, blew the doors open for
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  Speaker 1: articles in places like The Washington Post.
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  Speaker 2: Is TV special Surviving r Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: See this is exactly what I'm talking about that I
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  Speaker 1: was talking about in that other block earlier. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to you have to have a preponderance of
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  Speaker 1: people of writers saying this is the truth, this is
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  Speaker 1: what happened before It's like it's compounding, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: happens here. The BuzzFeed article comes out, then the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Post article comes out, then the TV special Surviving r
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  Speaker 1: Kelly comes out. Okay, people are done turning their blind
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  Speaker 1: eye at the official narrative of the time, which was
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  Speaker 1: R Kelly's Okay, you know, he beat the rap. He's okay,
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  Speaker 1: nothing really to see here, bullshit. Okay, I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: record labels, managers, personal assistant, Roadie's, Gophers, runners, entourage, lawyers, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all of them. The more the truth comes out, the
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  Speaker 1: easier it is for everybody to admit. And that BuzzFeed
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  Speaker 1: report was written by Jim Derri Gootis, once the longtime
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  Speaker 1: music critic for the Chicago Sun Times, also wrote an
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  Speaker 1: article for that paper way back in two thousand that
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  Speaker 1: brought up the allegations that r Kelly was having sex
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  Speaker 1: with teenage girls, accusations that r Kelly denied. Jim received
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  Speaker 1: anonymous letters and a videotape which he called the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing I have ever had to witness in my life,
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  Speaker 1: which he turned into the police, and Jim ended up
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  Speaker 1: writing the definitive book about this, called Soul List Case
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  Speaker 1: Against R. Kelly, which he published after nineteen years of research.
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  Speaker 1: All of these sources helped us put together this week's episode.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to hear your thoughts. What did you
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  Speaker 1: think about the episode?
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  Speaker 2: Is R.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly the most evil villain in the history of music?
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  Speaker 1: That's our question for this week.
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  Speaker 2: Who is it?
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  Speaker 1: Who is the biggest creep in the history of not entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: but in the history of music. Let's just keep it
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  Speaker 1: to music, because I don't want to open this up
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  Speaker 1: to the Bill Cosby's and the Harvey Weinstein's and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep it to music. Is R.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly the absolute biggest villain that music history has ever produced?
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  Speaker 1: For six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know, Let's do a couple of voicemails and
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  Speaker 1: texts right now. Six one seven nine oh six six
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  Speaker 1: six three eight is of course, how you leave me
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  Speaker 1: a voicemail, how you call me, how you send me
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a text? Just like Mike and the five away.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Jake, this is Mike from the Bible Way. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to say I love the episode on Dylan.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: My experience is when I went to a Dylan concert
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: in ninety seven when he was touring for a Time
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: out of Mind and apparently opening for him was Natalie Merchant,
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: who was my big celebrity crush, so that I think
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: was one of the best concerts I've ever been to. Anyway.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I love the show Rocker row.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Ye thanks to the call Mike. Mike, I didn't see
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Dylan back then. I love that record though. I love
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that Time out of Mind album. I saw Dylan a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: little earlier than that, actually, and I got the full
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Dylan treatment. It was uh, it was rough. It was rough,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get it. And I've since seen him
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a couple of times saw him later. I saw him,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like oh five oh six something
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: like that with the Raccontours Jack Whites Band opening up
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: at BU Uh, that was fun. I was ready for
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it then. But yeah, Dylan confounding as always appreciate the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: voicemail Mike in the five eight You guys can text
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: me as well as the voicemail six one seven nine
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. We were talking about
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: celebrity myths last week and UH put it the call
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: out six one seven nine of six six six three
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: A for you guys to let me know which which myths,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: which storytelling you're calling bullshit on eight one four Rights in,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I call bullshit on the Richard gear Gerbil rumor from
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: decades ago. Gosh, I'm not even gonna repeat what that is.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Six one two rights in, Hey Jake, I like your
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: description of Dylan as an unreliable narrator and is in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: on the joke.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Have you seen The Rolling Thunder Review? Great film and
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Dylan plays it to the hill. It's hilarious. I have
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: seen it. I love it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Uh, if you guys don't, I don't know what Uh
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the six one two is talking about. It's a movie
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that was came out on Netflix probably about five six
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: years ago, called The Rolling Thunder Review, and it's about
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that tour that Dylan did in the seventies. Highly recommend
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: checking that out. Nine oh four Rights in, Hey, Jake,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Spencer here from the nine oh four. Just gonna say,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I love the Dylan episode and I love that you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: use testimony as a source.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite books ever. I'm a huge.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Dylan and a huge The Band fan, and I reread
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it about once a year, and I always catch something
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I missed before. On the same subjects, you should check
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: out the song The Last Hawk by Shovels and Rope.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's sort of an homage to the band mainly Garth
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and Dylan. Also probably too late for good covers, but
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I heard you talk about Tom Petty and I also
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: got to see him on the last tour, and Feel
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So Lucky has covered a crowded me from the mud
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Crutch Days is one of my favorite covers. Keep up
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the good work you got at six one seven, nine
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  Speaker 1: oh six, six six three eight.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Appreciate the text, Appreciate the calls. Hit me up, guys.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: This week's question, who's the biggest villain that the music
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: industry has ever produced?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Is it our Kelly? Is it somebody else? Six one seven,
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• 21:19
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• 21:22
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• 21:25
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• 21:28
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• 23:20
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• 23:22
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• 23:24
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• 23:26
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• 23:28
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• 23:31
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• 23:33
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• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read to you a Dead rock Stars phone book.
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