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The U.S. Politically In 20 Years Ashes Of The Republic From James Chesterton · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when I watch TV,
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  Speaker 1: way up to what whatever's been invented this week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I do. So why isn't listening the same way?
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  Speaker 1: That's what aero dot net is all about. It is
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  Speaker 1: just keep on exploring. Hello and good morning, party people.
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  Speaker 1: How's everybody doing good?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? This is James Chusterton.
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  Speaker 1: James, I'll tell you what. I have been just biting
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  Speaker 1: at the bit to share a conversation with you because
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  Speaker 1: I want to know how you put yourself up there
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  Speaker 1: twenty years from now and kept the continuity so intact
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  Speaker 1: to make it sound so believable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it's it was very intentional. You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of a debate early on when I started writing,
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  Speaker 3: it was whether or not to go further out to
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  Speaker 3: really show the impact of AI of robotics. But I
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  Speaker 3: wanted because of the new the novel, because it is
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  Speaker 3: a reflection of twenty years based upon the activities and
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  Speaker 3: what's happening today.
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  Speaker 2: I very specifically only kept it.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty years out, and after that it was really honestly,
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  Speaker 3: you watch a few episodes of West World, you watch
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  Speaker 3: or you watch all of it as I did, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of get a sense. Look, there's no getting it right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's no nobody's going to get it right.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's predictions about where AI would be had it at
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  Speaker 3: you know, five years, five years, ten years from now, right,
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  Speaker 3: So nobody's getting these rights. So I focus less on
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  Speaker 3: the technology of it and more of the Okay, what
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  Speaker 3: can people today recognize in what those characters are going
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  Speaker 3: through tomorrow dealing with the technology. And obviously it's better
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  Speaker 3: at the observation on the on the you know, listening
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  Speaker 3: on people and things like that. And obviously this is
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  Speaker 3: this is at a time where we would expect robotics
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  Speaker 3: to start catching up to the brains.
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  Speaker 2: That we have today. Okay, so how is that going
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  Speaker 2: to impact it?
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  Speaker 3: More importantly, how are people in power going to take
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  Speaker 3: advantage of it? Because they're going to they're doing it now,
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  Speaker 3: they will do it then, they've already written the game
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  Speaker 3: plan to do it today. So how are they going
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  Speaker 3: to take advantage? How are they going to deal with
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  Speaker 3: a severe disruption in labor, a severe disruption in society,
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  Speaker 3: and how are they going to use it to take
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  Speaker 3: advantage of their current position to maintain their wealth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're so spot on with that, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: i mean even this past weekend with this movie Obsession,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's done by somebody who was doing YouTube
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  Speaker 1: videos and now this dude's making eighty nine million plus.
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  Speaker 1: And so when you talk about AI technology, that next
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  Speaker 1: great leader, that's something of the future is happening because
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  Speaker 1: somebody is screwing around with their AI technology today as
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  Speaker 1: a joke, and it's going to become leadership in the future.
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  Speaker 2: And there's forecast for that.
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  Speaker 3: There are actually so the one article I saw that forecast.
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  Speaker 3: So there's two ways that governments can go. And one
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  Speaker 3: of the formats that I saw was sort of a
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  Speaker 3: let's take the European in European Union, for example, if
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  Speaker 3: what the prediction was is that they would form basically
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  Speaker 3: a congress of leaders from each country and have a
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  Speaker 3: AI that is programmed to guide them. So it's it's
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  Speaker 3: not the president per se, but it is meant to
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  Speaker 3: take all of their because it can take all of
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  Speaker 3: their needs into account and provide a pathway to a
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  Speaker 3: better life for their citizens. That pathway was a better
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  Speaker 3: life for all their citizens, not the top ten percent.
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  Speaker 3: And I would be hesitant to believe that the United
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  Speaker 3: States would go in that same direction. But yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: if you're going to take it, if you program it right,
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  Speaker 3: and you program it not to kill us all, then
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  Speaker 3: if you program it to make the primary benefit to
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  Speaker 3: increase the happiness of all of its citizens, well you
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  Speaker 3: certainly don't get what you have today. You certainly don't
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  Speaker 3: get what I show them a book. In twenty years,
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  Speaker 3: you get something that's basically designed to only protect the
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  Speaker 3: top ten percent of whatever the top percent of wealth
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  Speaker 3: is at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you definitely scare the bajbi's out of us when
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  Speaker 1: you hit the religious side of this, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean in my own church, I mean, we've been
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  Speaker 1: for twenty years been accused of being a cult. We
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  Speaker 1: are not a cult. And but yet at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: after reading your book, I'm going, but what if?
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  Speaker 2: What if?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, because they're really good at hiding stuff
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  Speaker 1: like this, and it's like and you've got it right
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  Speaker 1: here in this book, and I and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to look at it like George Orwell, or I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking at it like that movie Future Shock.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you give us a good view of something
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  Speaker 1: that we at least have something to look at.
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  Speaker 3: And to be very clear, this is not an anti
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  Speaker 3: religion book. This is not and you know so obviously
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  Speaker 3: you know that, but I want to make clear because
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  Speaker 3: it can come off like that at first past. But
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  Speaker 3: this is the abuse of This is the maintenance of
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  Speaker 3: power using religion as a as a tool to do so.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I mean I wrote the draft, I started
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  Speaker 3: the book in twenty two. I had the first draft
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  Speaker 3: in twenty three, and it depicted the president as Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, the running joke with me and my
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  Speaker 3: editor is, you know that was supposed to happen twenty
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  Speaker 3: years from now, not today, and.
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  Speaker 2: It did just happen.
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  Speaker 3: So it is absolutely the abuse of power, the abuse
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  Speaker 3: of religion, which has been going on as long as
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  Speaker 3: there has been faith. There is the temptation of power
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  Speaker 3: and people and wealth to use that to get what
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  Speaker 3: they want. And it's certainly in evidence today. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not especially when you consider there's so many denominations
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  Speaker 3: of Christianity, of any religion, but there are so many
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  Speaker 3: different sometimes subtle sometimes not so subtle. Difference is in
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  Speaker 3: the way people worship, and in particular Christianity. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you're a Pentecostal or whatever, but
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  Speaker 3: there are so many interpretations of that one book, Pete
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  Speaker 3: HeiG Sets has invited to the Pentagon to have told services.
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  Speaker 3: There a man by the name of Wilson. I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to remember his first name, but he is the leader
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  Speaker 3: of a church in Idaho that takes the Bible literally
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  Speaker 3: at every stage, to the point where he has defended slavery.
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  Speaker 3: He has said that a government that would implement slavery,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember his first name. His last name
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  Speaker 3: is absolutely Wilson. Look this up and I heard him
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  Speaker 3: interviewed one on one, So this is not hearsay. I'm
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  Speaker 3: describing the interview I heard of him where he very
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  Speaker 3: probably said. He said, I wouldn't necessarily agree with chattel slavery,
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  Speaker 3: which is basically people as property, but I would agree
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  Speaker 3: because it's in the Bible, and I take the Bible literally.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree that the idea of people as slaves
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  Speaker 3: is acceptable because it's.
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  Speaker 2: In the Bible.
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  Speaker 3: That's a gentleman who Pete Hegseth attends services for has
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  Speaker 3: welcomed to the Pentagon. That is frightening because I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the percentages. I'm sure it's in
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  Speaker 3: the nineties of Christians, true Christians who read the words
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ would reject slavery as an option in
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  Speaker 3: any circumstance. And this gentleman is already influencing the guy
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  Speaker 3: who's in charge of this war that is in a war.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with James Chesterton coming
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  Speaker 1: up next the name of his book, Ashes of the Republic.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with author James Chesterton, and you scare them.
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  Speaker 1: GB's out of us again. When you talk about elections
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  Speaker 1: as being performative, I mean dissent is criminalized or are
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  Speaker 1: we not experiencing that right now? I mean it's like,
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  Speaker 1: how the hell did you know this back in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two when the idea dropped inside your writing instrument.
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  Speaker 2: You're a rock and roll guy. I just turned everything
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  Speaker 2: to eleven, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's honestly, it wasn't that hard because they
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  Speaker 3: need it easier. In twenty twenty five when they came
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  Speaker 3: out the you know, the Heritage Foundation came out with
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  Speaker 3: the game plan and it includes the you know, one
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  Speaker 3: of the challenges the book face, you know, the people
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  Speaker 3: in the book faces, Well know, how can you have
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  Speaker 3: a civil war? I mean, even Texas has whatever the
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  Speaker 3: real population, but forty percent of liberals and it probably
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  Speaker 3: all in Austin, but there is a percentage within the
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  Speaker 3: state of Texas, probably in the forty percents that consider.
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  Speaker 2: Themselves progressive, liberal or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: How can you physically have a civil war when you're
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  Speaker 3: occupying the same territory.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they kind of lay it out a way.
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  Speaker 3: To do it, and I propose one in the novel
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  Speaker 3: that involves, let's just say it involves treating your citizens
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  Speaker 3: at harshly if you don't agree with a particular individual,
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  Speaker 3: and economically to basically punish them for not getting in line.
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  Speaker 3: And look exactly at what's happening with this president and
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  Speaker 3: how he's hurting our own citizens.
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  Speaker 2: If this country got together, we'd be unstoppable. But we're not.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're constantly being because the only way you
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  Speaker 3: maintain power is by separating the populace. And this is
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing. In the book proposes a way that
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  Speaker 3: they could do it economically and it's viable. You know,
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  Speaker 3: privatized cities have been spoken of. You know, the ultra
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  Speaker 3: rich would absolutely love to have a privatized city, a
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  Speaker 3: city that only cares about wealth.
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  Speaker 1: God, I still remember when that word authoritarian was just
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  Speaker 1: something that I thought that AM Radio was tossing out
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  Speaker 1: because they were just trying to get ratings and then
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  Speaker 1: then to be living inside something like that. Now, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you really do open up my
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  Speaker 1: heart into the possibilities of what could or may may
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  Speaker 1: not happen as well, and that is who's going to
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  Speaker 1: run it with an authoritarian leader? Does it stay in
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  Speaker 1: the family then, like the King of England?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that's the proposal. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: it certainly you can't. I mean, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: certainly Don Junior has his eyes on power, and certainly
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure. I mean, and look, who who's who is
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  Speaker 3: the heir to the current administration? Well, you know, if
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  Speaker 3: I was a Republican, I'm not sure it's shady Vance.
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  Speaker 3: And he breaks up the Republicans in many ways because
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  Speaker 3: they don't agree with some of his policies. Is it
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  Speaker 3: Marco Rubil, I don't know, but certainly in spirit it's
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  Speaker 3: Don Junior.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Barren I do.
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  Speaker 2: He's also got the better education.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just I just I'm I can't
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  Speaker 1: help but be drawn to this kid's story. And I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell, because I obviously feel something here that
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if it ain't happening now, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: happen sometime because that kid, And maybe that's just the
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  Speaker 1: mystique of it all. And then I need books like
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  Speaker 1: yours to say, get your story together here, dude, because
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  Speaker 1: you know I need your book to keep me in line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, you know, just like it's not anti religion,
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  Speaker 3: it's not anti Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I lean left from New York. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: hide that.
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  Speaker 3: But I absolutely would have voted for Chris Christy and
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  Speaker 3: or the governor in New Hampshire was a Republican governor,
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  Speaker 3: very level headed guy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a there's a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: Of Republicans that I would absolutely have voted for Kamala
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  Speaker 3: Harris and again, bad candidate, completely agree, but it's it's
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  Speaker 3: to me, it's it's about having a strong Republican party
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  Speaker 3: where it's principled, not a person. It's not you, you
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  Speaker 3: get you. Rather, you gather around the principle of smaller government.
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  Speaker 3: You gather around the principle of you keep sorry, my
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  Speaker 3: dog is being.
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  Speaker 2: Upset the back, but the you.
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  Speaker 3: If you gather around principles, the people don't matter because
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  Speaker 3: you're just replacing principles. You're replacing the people to uphold
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  Speaker 3: those principles. And I always believe in that, and I
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  Speaker 3: worried about that as long as you know, when we
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  Speaker 3: wound up in the first Iraq War and how it
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  Speaker 3: was about a personality that was that was kind of
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  Speaker 3: pushing that. You know, this happens on both sides, but
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  Speaker 3: right now it's that's such an extreme that we have
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  Speaker 3: to worry about the abuse of power because the presidency
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  Speaker 3: is being is being degraded because he's being allowed to
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  Speaker 3: do whatever he wants. And that's that's how good for
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  Speaker 3: what happens if you get a crazy lefty in the
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  Speaker 3: You know what happens if four years, you know, two
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  Speaker 3: years from now, we put in somebody who's too far
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  Speaker 3: left to you know, for lack of a better phrase,
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  Speaker 3: someone who's woke. What happens if you give them the
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  Speaker 3: same unlimited power that that that's currently being wielded.
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  Speaker 2: The same things, same bad things happen on both sides.
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  Speaker 3: And you can't have that, which is why there's all
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  Speaker 3: those checks and balances were put in place.
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  Speaker 1: I swear it was Chris Cuomo that woke my ass
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  Speaker 1: up when he when he said something about this is
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  Speaker 1: not the one we should be worried about. It's the
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  Speaker 1: next one.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: So that I have your book here, Ashes of the Republic,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh my god, Cuomo was not so
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  Speaker 1: far out base here, because you're you're really putting us
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  Speaker 1: in order here, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean I hope, I hope. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's enjoyable as much as uh as much as informative. Again,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a shot in the dark, but it's it's
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  Speaker 3: an informed one. It's always everything I put in there.
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  Speaker 3: The intent was, Okay, could someone see this world in
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  Speaker 3: today's world?
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  Speaker 1: And I absolutely can see now I'm sitting here, and
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  Speaker 1: this is how sick we've become us a generation. I
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  Speaker 1: want my binge watch out of this. I want this
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  Speaker 1: to be quickly put into a twelve part binge watch
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  Speaker 1: with the season opener starting up in about six or
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  Speaker 1: seven months. Because you've got something here that is totally
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  Speaker 1: one percent binge watch worthy.
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  Speaker 3: You're not the first to say that, and I call
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  Speaker 3: my agent. Uh but yeah, honestly. First, the audiobook, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, is we had a Shakespearean actress do the
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  Speaker 3: audiobook and she was fantastic too, And that's also available.
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  Speaker 3: So if if she performs it she does her best
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  Speaker 3: uh of Honna as the dark recipient of power. We'll
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  Speaker 3: leave it at that. I'm trying not to.
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  Speaker 1: Reveal where can we go to find out more information
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  Speaker 1: about you, James, because I love your writing, I love
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  Speaker 1: your visionary powers.
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  Speaker 2: I really do, really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: It's James Chesterton dot com c H E S T
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  Speaker 3: E R t O N dot co o N And
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, we're working on book two. My editor is
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  Speaker 3: actually a form of high schools too into.
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  Speaker 2: Mind I retired. We got together. Yeah. No, he's great.
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  Speaker 2: He's and he's so much smarter than I saw.
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  Speaker 3: I come up with ideas and he goes, nohing that's
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  Speaker 3: absolutely stupid. Do this, and and he's the one who
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  Speaker 3: keeps in lying. He's the one who really fixed this book.
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  Speaker 3: The first version of it was was awful little but
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  Speaker 3: uh it's it is where it is because him.
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Well, man, come back to this, to
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  Speaker 1: this show anytime in the future. The door is always
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  Speaker 1: going to be open for you. You said book too,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to come back now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, and I'm going to go. I was reading
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  Speaker 3: who you read yesterday. I got to go read his
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  Speaker 3: book because I sounded fascinating too.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Will be brilliant today, Okay, sir, thank you.