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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, October 27 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive John with Ashlyn sellof Sells, John Oceans,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton. Jacks Drive starts right now. So I feel
0:15
Speaker 1: good about the second run. We're gonna go on here
0:19
Speaker 1: about just the efficiency. And now we've been in the
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Speaker 1: system for a while. Now we you know, excuse of
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Speaker 1: a new system, the excuse of a young quarterback, that's
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Speaker 1: all gone because the young quarterbacks claim pretty good. Here
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Speaker 1: we go in eleven game stretch to finish off the season.
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Speaker 1: Welcome in the Jaguars Drive time on a Wednesday at
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Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan, Brian Sexton, and John Osier here with you.
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Speaker 1: We are refreshed and recharged after the bye week. Sure,
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Speaker 1: let's go with that. Eleven games. At first, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I loving games. You know that'll go pretty quick. And
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Speaker 1: then I think, oh I loving games. That's a lot
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Speaker 1: of games. Well, it depends on if this team finds
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Speaker 1: a way wins. I mean, if it's eleven losses, then
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Speaker 1: it's good to feel like last year. I don't think
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the case. But if this team continues
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Speaker 1: to play well as the coach alluded to and win
1:05
Speaker 1: some of these games coming up, especially over the next
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Speaker 1: seven weeks, then it will fly by. They've made themselves interesting.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they've made themselves yet into a team
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Speaker 1: that's gonna win half their games going forward. But I
1:18
Speaker 1: think initially you had a feeling coming out of the
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Speaker 1: bye that you're gonna be taking a deep breath and saying, boy,
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Speaker 1: this next six or seven are really tough. Maybe get one.
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Speaker 1: They have played well enough offensively to make you think, Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's see what they are. Let's see if they're as
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Speaker 1: good as they looked at times. Uh. I think the
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Speaker 1: jury's out, but it's gonna be interesting to watch. Interesting
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Speaker 1: is the right word. Russell Wilson's not playing on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: as everyone knows, which makes this game interesting. And I
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Speaker 1: think when you look at the Seahawks and their body
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Speaker 1: of work over the last ten years, you'd you'd say,
1:51
Speaker 1: or you'd think that the Jaguars still would have trouble
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Speaker 1: because they've never played well in Seattle. But I'm really
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Speaker 1: interested in and I don't want to give it away,
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Speaker 1: but I almost picked him in the final analysis this week.
2:01
Speaker 1: I mean I was really closed already wrote final analysis
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Speaker 1: and it's Wednesday. Sound hard, look at this guy? Go?
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Speaker 1: I was close to but I I we'll see. If
2:12
Speaker 1: you've got to read it, you gotta read it. That's
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Speaker 1: quite the tease. I'm suggesting that people read yours too.
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Speaker 1: But okay, sure enough. All right, let's get into big things.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one, it's clarity. This is the time of
2:23
Speaker 1: year where contenders start separating themselves. And if you would
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Speaker 1: have said in the preseason, all right, it seems like
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Panthers, the Seahawks, the Dolphins, right, they're
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Speaker 1: probably gonna make the playoffs, well, not totally certain, and
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Speaker 1: these teams are really unsure of what they are right now.
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Speaker 1: The good thing about the Jaguars is you know what
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Speaker 1: you are. You have some clarity. You know you are
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Speaker 1: on a playoff team, you're building towards two, and you're
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Speaker 1: probably going to try to get some games and some
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Speaker 1: wins in the meantime. Don't have to make knee jerk
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Speaker 1: reactions because you know what you are. Big thing too
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Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence. In the next eleven games. It is
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Speaker 1: all about this guy. I love this picture. This just
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Speaker 1: he looks like the man. He is the man, especially
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Speaker 1: after that win in London. It was awesome to see
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Speaker 1: for him. It's all about his development, nothing else. There
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Speaker 1: will be some other storylines, but this is the biggest
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Speaker 1: and frankly the only storyline going for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the season. I think we all can agree right now,
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Speaker 1: he's on schedule. What will he look like at the
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Speaker 1: end of the season. Big thing three is defense. They
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Speaker 1: get a break with no Russell Wilson this week, like
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Speaker 1: we mentioned, but they still have to play at a
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Speaker 1: higher level if they are going to beat the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: in Seattle this week. Hey, coach urban Meyer discuss the
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Speaker 1: changes they have made during the bye week. I think
3:34
Speaker 1: we went into the into the storm thinking that we're
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Speaker 1: going to be playing via very high percentage and man coverage,
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Speaker 1: and we've we we figured out quickly that we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to mixing a lot of zone. And then that's
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Speaker 1: where you say, okay, the number of reps you have
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Speaker 1: to get a team ready to play that zone cover.
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Speaker 1: You can't say, okay, let's clay, but go play zone.
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Speaker 1: So that bye week was good. We spent some time
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Speaker 1: on that. The combination of both, that's the biggest thing
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Speaker 1: on defense. So I see this, I really like we're
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Speaker 1: headed in defense. But we knew to start seeing it
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Speaker 1: and then you have it. That is big things. And
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Speaker 1: that was head coach Urban Meyer explaining the changes they
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Speaker 1: have made during the bye week. They said there was
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Speaker 1: a large amount of self scouting going on in this building.
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Speaker 1: The players had Thursday through Sunday off, the coaches did not.
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Speaker 1: It was a big moment to look and see what
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Speaker 1: is going wrong? How do we fix it. He talked
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Speaker 1: about the defense and changing that also the self inflicted errors,
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Speaker 1: how many there were, and saying it really starts with practice.
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Speaker 1: If you fix those airs and practice, hopefully it translates
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Speaker 1: to the game. Let's go back to the top, uh
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Speaker 1: and talk about clarity. John I was sitting with some
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Speaker 1: Chiefs fans on this Sunday and they're a great example
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Speaker 1: because they thought they had fixed their offensive line this
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Speaker 1: year and they thought that was the difference. And on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey played and Tyreek Kill played and they believed
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Speaker 1: that they were a playoff team. They just had to
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Speaker 1: kind of right the ship. And then the Titans did
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Speaker 1: what the Titans do. They pounded them. So in Kansas
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Speaker 1: City there you know, they're pulling their hair out. Same
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Speaker 1: thing in Seattle. There's a story this morning should they
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Speaker 1: start trading people away, Will Russell Wilson be back. You've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of franchises you mentioned, the Dolphins, the Redskins,
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Panthers, who at this moment of the season,
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Speaker 1: with eleven games to play for, many of them can't
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Speaker 1: quite put their finger on where they're at. How do
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Speaker 1: they go forward? What should they be doing? But for
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Speaker 1: this franchise, they know and they don't have to make
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Speaker 1: knee jerk reactions at trading deadline. They can just put
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Speaker 1: their head down and keep focusing on the most important part,
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Speaker 1: not any of the losing street because that's over, but
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Speaker 1: finding way to get better. Yeah, I've got a lot
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Speaker 1: of questions about should they trade this player or that
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Speaker 1: player at the trading deadline. I don't know what they'll
5:40
Speaker 1: do there. I think the priority will remain making sure
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is protected. I think that's why you don't
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Speaker 1: automatically even though you're one in five. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you necessarily trade offensive linemen for draft equity. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you're gonna get anyway, So I don't know
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Speaker 1: that they're gonna be buyers or sellers. I think they'll
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Speaker 1: just be Okay, we're gonna go for order, what with
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Speaker 1: what we've got, and see what we are the second
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Speaker 1: half the season. Um, it's gonna be interesting to see
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Speaker 1: what they do defensively. How they changed to from a
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Speaker 1: man team to his own team. I think they figured
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Speaker 1: out they don't have the personnel to play man, and
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Speaker 1: I think that came as a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: surprise because they built this thing to play man. They
6:20
Speaker 1: said that very clearly in the off season. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: how do they look going forward? Does that fix things? Ken?
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Speaker 1: Joe Colin call this you know Ravens defense, which is
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Speaker 1: a zone a blitzing team, man behind the defense. How's
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Speaker 1: that going to look? That's a huge storyline. Well, I
6:37
Speaker 1: mean people know the zone blitz. It's not an uncommon defense.
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Speaker 1: I mean back when you and I stood this defense,
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Speaker 1: I agree. But there's a model for you forward, and
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Speaker 1: there's if they look at their personnel. Let's put it
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Speaker 1: this way. All of these coaches on the defensive side,
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Speaker 1: those on the pro especially, they understand the principles of
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Speaker 1: zone blitz. To teach the zone blitz. Players have played
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Speaker 1: zone blitz, they can figure out how to play zone
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Speaker 1: behind it, and maybe that gets some different personnel on
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Speaker 1: the field, guys who are more ready to play zone.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if Andre Cisco is a guy over the
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Speaker 1: next eleven weeks who takes a big step forward, and
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Speaker 1: we can talk about that, but it all comes down
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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. It all comes down. And when we
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Speaker 1: last saw him, he was making progress. He looked like
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Speaker 1: he was in control, command and control. Um, we've been
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Speaker 1: saying it for a couple of weeks. Now this is
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Speaker 1: his team and he now has put it on his
7:25
Speaker 1: shoulders and it will go as far as he can
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Speaker 1: carry it. They need some different things from different places,
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Speaker 1: but it's all about him. And if at the end
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Speaker 1: of December he is playing his best football of the year,
7:36
Speaker 1: well I'm in this thing. The arrows pointed straight up
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Speaker 1: for this franchise. Yeah, we've always said it. It's not
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Speaker 1: about the record. Yeah, you get maybe a couple more games,
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Speaker 1: but if he is where you want him to be
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, to win for the season,
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Speaker 1: the ends period. And if anything has made this interesting
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Speaker 1: in late October and November, it's that he showed great
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Speaker 1: signs the last three games. He showed great decision making
8:00
Speaker 1: and he showed that he can reduce the interceptions. Um,
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Speaker 1: he did it against a couple of defenses. There are
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Speaker 1: a few defenses Miami and Tennessee that weren't playing great
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Speaker 1: at the time. So I think it's it's really important
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Speaker 1: that these three games become six games, become nine games.
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Speaker 1: I have no reason to think they want. But that's
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Speaker 1: the huge storyline going forward, is all this talk that
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Speaker 1: we've talked about Trevor Lawrence in the last two weeks,
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Speaker 1: very excitedly and very yeah. Hey, he's developing rapidly. It
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Speaker 1: has to continue to develop, and that, to me is
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Speaker 1: the question of November. Well, in order for that to happen,
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Speaker 1: he needs guys to make plays. I mean, he needs
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Speaker 1: receivers in the absence of speed, he needs guys to
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Speaker 1: catch the ball not drop it. He needs guys to
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Speaker 1: get separation, guys like Dan Arnold to continue to make plays,
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Speaker 1: move the chains, keep that third down percentage growing in
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Speaker 1: the right direction so that he can stay on the field.
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Speaker 1: And he doesn't to play hero, right, you don't want
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Speaker 1: this guy having to throw the ball fifty times and
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Speaker 1: they come back. No doubt, at some point in his
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Speaker 1: career he'll be able to do it. But if you
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Speaker 1: bury yourself against a really good team, and there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of them in this next seven game stretch,
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Speaker 1: you can't expect him to keep progressing and pull you
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Speaker 1: up from behind. Not at this point, not with this roster.
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Speaker 1: Too much to ask you at this point in his career.
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Speaker 1: Totally agree, and that is big things. When we come
9:18
Speaker 1: back on Jaguars Drive Time Summit, this are that here
9:21
Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Digital Network, we're having a hard conversation,
9:31
Speaker 1: you know, so much of it. Who's going to be
9:33
Speaker 1: healthier to rest here? And then also what does we
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Speaker 1: keep on offense? How do you build this surround your quarterback?
9:39
Speaker 1: You know what exactly? Doesn't do we need? And I
9:42
Speaker 1: think last March we had the conversation, well, number one
9:45
Speaker 1: thing to remember Joe Burrow, Schottenheimer and Bebel. We just
9:49
Speaker 1: had the conversation, you've got to get a good run game.
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Speaker 1: And right now we're starting to play a little bit.
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Speaker 1: You know, James is really playing well and our offensive
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Speaker 1: line is playing well. And the other thing our offense
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Speaker 1: line to this point, it has kept him upright. You know,
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Speaker 1: the thing we don't have is when DJ went down,
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Speaker 1: do we have that home run hitter on the outside.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think a labiscus playing very well. Marmot's
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Speaker 1: playing really well. We're you know, just one speedy short.
10:13
Speaker 1: Maybe this tyran, maybe it's something else. Will the Jaguars
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10:46
Speaker 1: go with the trade deadline. John obviously didn't read the
10:48
Speaker 1: script because he went off on a tangent about trading
10:50
Speaker 1: in the first so you might not have much to say,
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Speaker 1: trade for someone or trade someone. Um, they have off
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Speaker 1: picks currently to in the third, four in the sixth,
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Speaker 1: two in the seventh they've traded Sidney Jones, Joe Schobert,
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Speaker 1: C j Henderson, Gardner, Minshew and Josh Oliver. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure how many people there are to trade, but
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Speaker 1: you're certainly listening to the coach could make a case
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Speaker 1: for trading for someone John Well, he's talking about speed receiver.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I think they've tried that. I mean they've tried.
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Speaker 1: They tried to go get Tarron Johnson, they tried to
11:26
Speaker 1: go get Tavon Austin. They tried to go get the kid,
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Speaker 1: Devin Smith. I think it was who's now released Um
11:35
Speaker 1: within trade for them they picked him up. Well, but
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Speaker 1: they pursued it. To what I'm saying is, do you
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Speaker 1: go and swing for the fences because it's not about
11:44
Speaker 1: one in five. I don't swing for defences. I mean
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Speaker 1: I about a quarterback, about quarterback development. I assume that
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Speaker 1: if a guy I mean unless proven differently, I assume
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Speaker 1: that a guy who is available at the trade deadline
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Speaker 1: is able to trade dine trade deadline for a reason,
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Speaker 1: is he going to be a long term solution. I
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Speaker 1: doubt it. Uh, if there's a long term solution out there,
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Speaker 1: If if there's a big time Pro Bowl guy out there,
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Speaker 1: sure you tradeful. I don't anticipate that, Um, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: hold off because I know you're talking about it too.
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Speaker 1: But let me just throw a couple of names out there.
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Speaker 1: These are guys in their eight season twenty nine years old.
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Speaker 1: The first is Alan Robinson, who could be a long
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Speaker 1: term solution. He's got plenty of time. He costs you
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Speaker 1: about ten millions. Did not like that right at all.
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with Allen Robinson as a concept. What are
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Speaker 1: you giving up for him? Are you giving up a third?
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Speaker 1: You've got an extra one? You have an extra one,
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Speaker 1: but you'd like that extra in the draft next year.
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Speaker 1: Um Well, listening to these people talk, meaning these people
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Speaker 1: mean Urban Meyer and the people were in this organization,
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Speaker 1: Allen Robinson is a very very good player. He ain't fast,
12:48
Speaker 1: so I don't know that he fixes what they want fixed. Well,
12:51
Speaker 1: what he is as an alpha, and I don't I
12:53
Speaker 1: mean no disrespect intended to Morvin Jones Orliviscus, you know,
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Speaker 1: but Robinson is a better down field threat than they are,
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Speaker 1: and as a guy who goes and takes the bowl away.
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Speaker 1: So I really like that idea. I mean, you need
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Speaker 1: to have that with a quarterback like this who you're
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Speaker 1: trying to give him every tool you can to develop.
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Speaker 1: And you're gonna pay eleven million dollars of Robinson salary.
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Speaker 1: That's not an issue for this football team. It would
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Speaker 1: cost your third round pick I'm assuming this would be
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Speaker 1: a third round pick um the other guy, and it
13:23
Speaker 1: probably doesn't happen. But Brandon Cooks is on the training
13:26
Speaker 1: everyone is over there. You have to give up almost
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Speaker 1: nothing for him. He's speed. We saw what he did
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Speaker 1: in Week one against this football team, and it gives
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Speaker 1: the quarterback more time to develop. I'm squarely in the
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Speaker 1: trade for someone if I can make something happen that
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Speaker 1: fits my salary structure and doesn't take away my one
13:42
Speaker 1: or my two. Yeah, and it's all about the wide receiver.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Marvin Jones right now is the leading target
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Speaker 1: on this team, but he was never meant to. He's
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Speaker 1: not a separation guy, right but he's doing a fine job.
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Speaker 1: But that's not your long term solution. He's doing it
13:54
Speaker 1: right now, but I think a much better he would
13:56
Speaker 1: be with a separation absolutely, and that's the hurt of
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Speaker 1: no DJH Park on the field, for sure. I like
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Speaker 1: the idea of Brandon Cooks. I like the idea of
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Speaker 1: Allen Robinson. I don't know that they do Allen Robinson
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Speaker 1: because the speed factor Brandon Cooke makes some sense. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Either Matthew Wright is the hero guy or he's the
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Speaker 1: guy who joined to twice off the up right, Um,
14:19
Speaker 1: you can't be in the middle. Well, there is no
14:24
Speaker 1: this or that or the middle this or that, so
14:27
Speaker 1: I think he probably is in the middle. I guess
14:30
Speaker 1: my point is, Uh, this is not a knock on
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Speaker 1: the move because I think they had to make the
14:36
Speaker 1: move because Josh Lambo. You know, once Matthew Wright made
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Speaker 1: those kicks, it was clear he had to be the guy. Um.
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Speaker 1: It is now up to Matthew right over the next
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Speaker 1: month to prove that he's more than just the guy
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Speaker 1: who had two yard field goals. UM. Don't forget, he's
14:55
Speaker 1: eight days removed from a really rough game. So it's
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Speaker 1: his opportunity. I don't it's necessarily a guarantee that he
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Speaker 1: is the guy going forward. This is his opportunity going forward.
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Speaker 1: I Um, I don't know. I wouldn't have and we
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Speaker 1: said this last week, I wouldn't have released Josh Golby
15:12
Speaker 1: because I'm sorry. I always do that. I hear Josh
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Speaker 1: and I immediately revert to Scobie. I wouldn't have released
15:21
Speaker 1: Josh Lambeau. Let me get that one right, because I
15:23
Speaker 1: think he's got a stronger leg I think he's a
15:25
Speaker 1: bigger guy. I mean, I think he's just I just
15:27
Speaker 1: think he's got more to offer than right. So I
15:31
Speaker 1: tend to lean even though he's the hero right now,
15:34
Speaker 1: I tend to lean towards those misses, um and and
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Speaker 1: wonder because he's so slender, you know, a hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy five pounds. Um, maybe he is. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to go with that and say I
15:45
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I mean right now, he's the guy,
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Speaker 1: and he has all the chances to prove it. So
15:49
Speaker 1: we'll see. You need more consistency, that's for sure, all right.
15:52
Speaker 1: My list sort that is about this defense, and I
15:55
Speaker 1: can't remember what I said about it. Make the change
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Speaker 1: all the way or do not change. We heard coach
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Speaker 1: Meyer and big Things talk about how they are going
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Speaker 1: towards more of a zone defense. I will not lie
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Speaker 1: to you. This concerns me because I go back to
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Speaker 1: Week one with the defense in Houston. There was a
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Speaker 1: lot of confusion. There were substitution errors, there were penalties
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Speaker 1: for too many men on the field, and it just
16:15
Speaker 1: looked like the confusion was absolutely there. And it got
16:18
Speaker 1: better as time went on. But we already have changed
16:20
Speaker 1: with Myles Jack and the green dot and the play
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Speaker 1: calling that has been changed since Myles Jack did not
16:25
Speaker 1: make the trip to London, and that's going to stay
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Speaker 1: that way. So you're already changing so much. So if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna change it, change it all the way and
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Speaker 1: don't change it again, or don't change it at all.
16:35
Speaker 1: But there's already some miscommunication and this concerns me that
16:38
Speaker 1: you're making all these changes during the bye week. Well,
16:41
Speaker 1: they've got to get it right. The reality is h
16:46
Speaker 1: NFL defenses, you can't just play man and you can't
16:50
Speaker 1: just play zone. You have to have a mix or
16:51
Speaker 1: else teams are going to figure you out. If you're
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Speaker 1: just playing man, they're gonna screen corners off the ball,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna beat you. So you have to play a mix. Uh.
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Speaker 1: But they do need to settle on a philosophy. They
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Speaker 1: need to figure out what they're doing. Uh. You know again,
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Speaker 1: I said the top of show, I think they got
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Speaker 1: surprised here. I think they thought they could play press coverage,
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Speaker 1: man up, had that be the base defense. I'm not
17:14
Speaker 1: sure you can do that period a hundred percent in
17:16
Speaker 1: the NFL. Uh, it's been proven out that this personnel
17:20
Speaker 1: right now can do it. Well, they started the season
17:22
Speaker 1: thinking there was a chance that C. J. Henderson might
17:25
Speaker 1: be available to them, and he wasn't. That seems like
17:27
Speaker 1: the reason they changed that. Well, yes, I mean because
17:29
Speaker 1: the rookie is just not quite there. Um and I
17:32
Speaker 1: don't know that that that the press man fits Shack
17:34
Speaker 1: Griffin's best you know, I mean, he's the best one
17:37
Speaker 1: they've got right now, but doesn't let them play that
17:39
Speaker 1: really aggressive style of defense. Here's what I know. Uh,
17:43
Speaker 1: You've got Bob Sutton here, and Bob is a long
17:45
Speaker 1: time defensive coach in the NFL and some years in college.
17:50
Speaker 1: My guess is is that they have leaned heavily on
17:52
Speaker 1: Bob Sutton in his experience with Joe Colin, who has
17:55
Speaker 1: a defensive line coach turned coordinator, has to rely on
17:59
Speaker 1: Sutton to help with the coverage schemes because the guys
18:01
Speaker 1: up front don't focus on the coverage. That's why Sutton's here. Okay,
18:05
Speaker 1: this is why he's here. Then let's see how he
18:07
Speaker 1: does it. I say, make the change, because you got it.
18:12
Speaker 1: You've got to be better than they've been. You just
18:14
Speaker 1: have to be. Uh, you know, you didn't have Davante
18:17
Speaker 1: Parker or Preston Williams and two or three from more
18:20
Speaker 1: than three yards right, So make the change if that's
18:24
Speaker 1: what you believe. If that's what Bob Sutton believes that
18:26
Speaker 1: the personnel department has brought him, is coverage guys who
18:30
Speaker 1: are more suited to zone than make the change. A
18:33
Speaker 1: major storyline here to watch Slan is Tyson Campbell. I'm
18:39
Speaker 1: not saying this change was made for Tyson Campbell. Tyson
18:42
Speaker 1: Campbell has had trouble in man with deep balls tracking
18:46
Speaker 1: the ball once he turns around in zone, he should
18:49
Speaker 1: be able to play more facing the ball, see the
18:52
Speaker 1: ball come out of the quarterback's hands, not have to
18:54
Speaker 1: worry about trying to track it, which he hasn't been
18:56
Speaker 1: very good at yet. Zone. You know, again, I don't
18:59
Speaker 1: think it's the entire reason. It will be interesting to
19:01
Speaker 1: see if he is a better player looking at the
19:05
Speaker 1: quarterback x percent of the time as opposed to not
19:08
Speaker 1: looking at the quarterback and started the play. Uh to
19:11
Speaker 1: hear storylines. I think he's the key to the secondary
19:13
Speaker 1: right now. When you watch him on the practice field,
19:15
Speaker 1: you see a big guy with long arms who moves well. Clearly,
19:19
Speaker 1: Clearly he's been well coached by Patrick Shurtan and when
19:22
Speaker 1: he was at the University of Georgia. They've got to
19:24
Speaker 1: find a way to get him in a position to
19:27
Speaker 1: take advantage of those skills. Like John, I'm anxious to
19:30
Speaker 1: see whether him facing the quarterback more gives him a
19:32
Speaker 1: chance to use his obvious physical gifts. Yeah, and Coach
19:35
Speaker 1: Meyer mentioned that on Monday with the lack of turnover.
19:37
Speaker 1: He said, with us facing the quarterback, now, we'll see
19:39
Speaker 1: if that now comes. And it's kind of just a
19:41
Speaker 1: ripple effect with all this going on. So that is
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Speaker 1: and we are doing hot takes today because no show
20:13
Speaker 1: on Monday. So, by what's you got dress? Say that
20:16
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going to win twice in the next
20:19
Speaker 1: seven games. And I looked at this stretch when the
20:22
Speaker 1: season began just or at least at least at least
20:26
Speaker 1: and I'm not going with could win. I'm going with
20:28
Speaker 1: will win. Have a chance to watch the Niners is
20:31
Speaker 1: probably you did on Sunday night against the Colts. I
20:33
Speaker 1: watched the Seahawks and Falcons. I'm sorry, I watched the
20:36
Speaker 1: Falcons and Dolphins, and then I watched the Seahawks. Uh,
20:40
Speaker 1: and the Saints, and um, all of them are flawed.
20:44
Speaker 1: All of them are having issues right now. And while
20:47
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I would favor the Jaguars to
20:50
Speaker 1: win any individual of those three games, they can win,
20:54
Speaker 1: and I think they will win two of those three
20:57
Speaker 1: games because two of them are at home, and you're
20:59
Speaker 1: going to Seattle this week and read the history piece
21:02
Speaker 1: that comes out tomorrow when Jaguars dot com. The Jaguars
21:04
Speaker 1: have really never fared well in the Pacific Northwest, and
21:07
Speaker 1: that is an understatement. Um. But the Seahawks, their defense
21:10
Speaker 1: is thirty one. They're playing without Russell Wilson that you
21:14
Speaker 1: know other than DK Metcalf, There's not anybody on their
21:17
Speaker 1: offense that makes you go, oh, how are we going
21:19
Speaker 1: to cover this guy? So, especially if you're playing zone concepts,
21:22
Speaker 1: So I say the Jaguars will win two games, at
21:25
Speaker 1: least two games of the next seven. It mine sort
21:30
Speaker 1: of ties in with Brian And I'll tell you how
21:32
Speaker 1: it doesn't look. You might not think immediately when you
21:35
Speaker 1: see it, that doesn't tie you with Brian, but it does.
21:38
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell maybe the most important storyline in the statement,
21:41
Speaker 1: and it's sort of a repeat of what I said
21:45
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. That'st C. J. Henderson,
21:47
Speaker 1: the cornerback opposite Sekio Griffin, who can tie down that defense.
21:52
Speaker 1: If he plays well in this new concept, if he
21:56
Speaker 1: can start tracking the ball, if he is not a
22:00
Speaker 1: guy that teams automatically target successfully, then I think they
22:03
Speaker 1: will win two games coming out of the boy. Uh.
22:06
Speaker 1: If Gina Smith goes back there and doesn't have to
22:08
Speaker 1: worry about looking over there and knows he can go
22:11
Speaker 1: to whoever Tyson Campbell's covering, then they're not gonna win
22:13
Speaker 1: two games out of by so uh. You hate to
22:16
Speaker 1: put that much pressure on a rookie, but teams know him,
22:19
Speaker 1: they've seen it on tape, so he is going to
22:22
Speaker 1: be watched, He's going to be targeted. I think he's
22:24
Speaker 1: the most important story because I think he's the key
22:26
Speaker 1: to the defense now the Saints. The other night, after
22:28
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf made that big play, the Saints got over
22:31
Speaker 1: the top of him with the safety and I think
22:32
Speaker 1: he was only targeted three more times the whole game
22:34
Speaker 1: and only caught one more twelve yard passed. So I
22:36
Speaker 1: anticipate they're going to give Tyson Campbell a lot of
22:38
Speaker 1: help if that's the matchup they try to get. Yes,
22:41
Speaker 1: totally agree. It's tough to put all that pressure on
22:43
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell. But it's almost like when you see Chris
22:45
Speaker 1: Claybrooks on the field and you see the immediate just
22:48
Speaker 1: target him and it's on tape now, so why would
22:50
Speaker 1: you not. It's it's tough. But yeah, when you traded
22:53
Speaker 1: c J. Henderson and you said the reason we treated
22:55
Speaker 1: c J. Henderson is because Campbell's improving, and you put
22:57
Speaker 1: him over in the corner, it's a pressurized position. I
23:00
Speaker 1: really haven't had him much since then because of that.
23:02
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Alright, my hot take, it's hot, but it
23:06
Speaker 1: makes sense. Go get Michael Thomas, pay him all the
23:09
Speaker 1: money and bring him here. DJ Chark is out, but truthfully,
23:13
Speaker 1: and this is nothing against DJ, I don't know if
23:14
Speaker 1: he is your long term answer. And we always have
23:17
Speaker 1: this conversation, do you need the number one guy? Do
23:20
Speaker 1: you need the Julio Jones? This team does, and they
23:23
Speaker 1: don't have it. Michael Thomas is a long term solution.
23:26
Speaker 1: Even if you pay DJ Chark and it's a contract
23:28
Speaker 1: year for him, I still think you need something else.
23:31
Speaker 1: And you have Marvin Jones. You don't know how long
23:33
Speaker 1: he's playing for Leviscation. Isn't that guy. He's a different
23:36
Speaker 1: skill set. You really need this, and I think right
23:38
Speaker 1: now is your opportunity to go get it. Yes, build
23:41
Speaker 1: through the draft, but you need help right now. And
23:43
Speaker 1: I understand this team isn't a playoff team, but if
23:46
Speaker 1: you want this rookie quarterback to develop, you need to
23:48
Speaker 1: go to guy. And that's that I'm with you. Yeah. Well,
23:52
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know he's the right guy,
23:54
Speaker 1: but I was the one earlier who was saying, go
23:56
Speaker 1: and get a receiver. He certainly fits the mold of
23:59
Speaker 1: a big game, game breaking receiver. I don't know that
24:03
Speaker 1: he's worth the money. I don't know if he's healthy,
24:05
Speaker 1: but you know what, go give this quarterback something that
24:07
Speaker 1: he can work with. Way down the field, It'll open
24:10
Speaker 1: up everything else and I want to see this kid developed.
24:13
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I have zero issue with the concept.
24:16
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of reigned on it a
24:17
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. My only concern is, I guess it's
24:21
Speaker 1: the old school conservative guy. Um, what are you getting
24:26
Speaker 1: when you go try to do this at mid season?
24:29
Speaker 1: If it's vetted, if they if he works out, I'm
24:32
Speaker 1: all forgetting. I'm all forgetting up to the draft capital.
24:35
Speaker 1: I worry about giving up draft capital for a mid
24:38
Speaker 1: season pick up if it's not long term. And again,
24:40
Speaker 1: you look at his salary, the salary that this team
24:43
Speaker 1: would be taking on in two. It's a major help
24:46
Speaker 1: for the Saints, who have again salary cap issues they
24:49
Speaker 1: have to keep juggling. It's not an issue for this team.
24:52
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give up a two. I try to hold
24:54
Speaker 1: you with three and maybe package a couple more. If
24:56
Speaker 1: that's the guy I want. Um, if it's and and
24:59
Speaker 1: the other, we don't know. It's how healthy is he?
25:01
Speaker 1: Is he ready to go? But you think he would
25:03
Speaker 1: be amenable to playing with this quarterback and there's just
25:07
Speaker 1: some drama if he If the long term answer is
25:09
Speaker 1: New Orleans and we won't get into that because I
25:11
Speaker 1: know John hates those talks. But it's just I don't
25:13
Speaker 1: think DJ Chark is a long term answer. And previously
25:16
Speaker 1: this season it was okay, if DJ Chark's your answer, great,
25:18
Speaker 1: then your said I don't think he is. I don't
25:20
Speaker 1: think you're going to pay him coming off of a
25:22
Speaker 1: season in which he was unable to contribute, a year
25:25
Speaker 1: after they said he didn't play big enough. I think
25:28
Speaker 1: he's going to be an open market guy. Yeah, you
25:29
Speaker 1: need a long term solution. Prove it, guy. Don't think
25:32
Speaker 1: you find that in the draft. Handle it now. Okay, Yeah,
25:36
Speaker 1: I'd rather have it in the draft, but I'm not
25:38
Speaker 1: averse to this if it's the right guy. Ok fair
25:40
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