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84. My comeback post double hip replacement (ft. Jack Brennan) · Unbalanced with Cerys Davage

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Hello guys, welcome back. Welcome to another episode of
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Unbalanced with Me, Kara Savage. How we all doing?
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I'm excited because today we've got a new guest on the podcast,
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Jack. Hello.
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Hi, Kara, How are you? I'm good.
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I'm so, so excited to speak to you because I've come across a
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lot of your videos on TikTok so much that I had to just follow
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you and get to know you a bit more and invite you on the
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podcast. So tell us a bit about yourself.
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Where are you from and what do you do?
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Thanks. Yeah, and thanks for having me
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on. I'm really glad to be joining
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you. So I'm 24 from Dublin.
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I got a double hip replacement about a year ago.
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So I guess for the past year of just being sharing my journey,
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my road to recovery, it's not really something you see every
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day. And that kind of prompted me to
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want to share it because I didn't really see anyone else
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going about, you know, sharing their recovery and sharing the
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journey because apart from getting a double hip
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replacement, I'm just kind of your average guy.
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You know, I did business in college.
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I'm training to be a chartered accountant.
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I like football, I like sports like this.
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There's honestly, I'm not a very interesting person apart from
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the double hip replacement. But I guess that's the thing
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that like it's just one of those things that can happen to
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anybody. And I think that's something
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that you kind of talk about too, that like it's not like you have
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to be a particular type of person to have health issues at
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a young age. And I think when I was going
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from my double hip replacement, I did kind of feel like the odd
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one out. So I guess since I've been
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sharing my journey, it's been nice to see that there's loads
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of other people in the same position as me.
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I even, I even saw a guy who's playing football at quite a high
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level in England who actually had birthdays and had a double
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hip replacement. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's been
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nice kind of coming across other people in this kind of world who
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are sharing their their health experiences at a young age,
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because I think in your day-to-day life, you don't
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really see it that often. Definitely.
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And that's one thing that I realised when I saw your videos
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was like, OK, he's got a double hip replacement and he's
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literally my age. Like what happened there?
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Because, you know, obviously I think there is that stereotype
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that they are for like older people when the hips start to
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go, you know, I've got some relatives that are a lot older
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that have had hip replacements. So I'm, I've always like kind of
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categorised that as like not something to worry about at this
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age, but it clearly is. And I think that the fact that
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you've been so open speaking about it is so, so good and so
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important because like you said, disabilities and, you know,
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having these kind of changes can happen to anyone.
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I think there's definitely a gap in the market for you to shout
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about this because I had never seen anything like that before.
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So tell us a bit about what led you to getting that double hip
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replacement to begin with. I'll, I'll do my best to cut a,
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a really Long story short, but I, I guess you're right.
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Like it is, it is like an old person's operation.
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You know, it's not really something you see young people
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getting, which is a good and a bad thing because you don't want
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to be seeing a tonne of young people getting hip replacements.
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Like it's, it's not something that you should have to get
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done. But for many people, if like any
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joint in your body, if your joint goes bad, there's very
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little you can do to really fix that problem without replacing
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the joints. So I guess to give a bit of back
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story, I had a degenerative disease in my hips from
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childhood. I usually when I'm telling my
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story, I say from around age 5, kind of from around age 4 or
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five, I started getting quite bad pain in my hip, which
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obviously at that age I didn't really understand what was going
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on and my parents didn't either. And like many kids who
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experienced health issues at a young age had a hard time
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getting a diagnosis. It took them about a year.
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Some people told them that it was a hernia.
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I think 1 specialist even told them that they were worried it
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could be a tumour because I guess it's quite a rare disease.
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It affects roughly one in 25,000 children and I think out of
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every child who has birthdays it's only one in 10 who actually
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get it in both hips. So I guess you're saying 1/4 of
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$1,000,000? They're really.
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So just found finding the right specialist to diagnose me with
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birthdays disease. It's where blood flow was caught
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from the femoral head of the hip.
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So if blood stops flowing to a bone, it's going to stop growing
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and it's going to decompose and breakdown.
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So having that from a young age just meant that I never really
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had a fair shot at having normal hips.
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You know, I actually am very grateful that I didn't have
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birthdays as badly as some kids who end up needing surgery
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during childhood who were putting a brace.
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You got screws put in. I'm very grateful that I
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actually didn't need any of that.
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It was just a case of having quite a difficult five or six
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years in childhood from around age 5 till 10 just meant I had a
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heavy limp. I had pain with every step.
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I, you know, struggle to walk up and down the stairs and in
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primary school and I didn't really understand why, didn't
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really understand why I had to stop playing football and GAA.
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So it was difficult. It was, it was hard feeling like
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the odd one out at a young age. And I guess it was worse.
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I didn't really understand what was going on.
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I think you're just too young to really get it.
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So it was quite tough when it kind of came back around age 18.
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I say came back because from age 10 to 18, I was living life 99%
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normally. You know, I was playing sports,
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I was trying to climb back up the ladder and take control of
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my life and kind of get past it. And it just one day
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unexpectedly, I was, I was in work, I was working in a
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restaurant. I bent down to pick up the
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dishwasher and I felt the shooting pain in my hip and that
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pain just never went away. It was quite scary.
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Lo and behold, after getting an MRI, I've I had no cartilage
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left in my joints. It was just bone on bone.
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Your hips kind of meant to operate like this is meant to
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have space and fluidity. But mine was more or less locked
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with no cartilage roofed. And just even seeing the image,
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yeah, it's, it's not nice. But what was worse was being
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told, yeah, your hips are just going to get worse and worse
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until eventually you'll get your double hip replaced.
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And they said, OK, well, how long do I have to wait?
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Because I'm in pain now and it's just going to keep getting
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worse. And I saw that have to wait
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until my 40s at least this is at age 18.
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So that's. A long time to be going with
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that. Yeah, a long time.
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And it's actually, I've come to learn since sharing my journey.
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This is far more common than you would think.
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You know, understandably, most surgeons don't want to give a
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replacement hip to someone young because it's not ideal.
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It's it's they have a lifespan and it would require doing a
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second replacement and maybe even a third one.
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But you can't really just tell someone, yeah, you're going to
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be in pain for the next 20 years and that's it.
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So that was that was really, really hard, honestly.
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And it's a big reason why I'm so passionate about kind of sharing
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my journey now because it's been a hard five years before finally
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getting the operation. It really it was five years of
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just my quality of life going downhill, you know, my, my
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ability to do things going downhill.
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And I, I struggled with that knowing that there was a
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solution out there. I think I maybe would have had
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an easier time accepting it if there was nothing they could do.
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But it was just like it was being held back from me.
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And it kind of just, yeah, I, I, I found that hard.
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And that's kind of why, seeing as I got the operation, I said,
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well, share leaders, are young people going through this too?
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Because I can't be the only one. Wow.
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Well, thank you for walking us through that.
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It sounds really tough. And like you said, you know,
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knowing that there is actually a solution, they're just holding
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it back from you. That sounds like the most
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frustrating thing, especially at age 18 when you want to go out
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and you want to hang out with your mates and you can finally,
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you know, go clubbing and drinking and you do all the
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things that 18 year olds want to do.
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How did you find that period? Like navigating your pains and
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your social life at the same time.
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That's a a great question because that was probably one of
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the biggest things that was affected.
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And I know you, you did an episode kind of touching on this
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topic before that I thought was really interesting, that it's
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not something that normal 18 year olds are going to
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understand even if you try and explain this to them.
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But I had a hard time explaining what I was going through because
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you tell someone that you've got pain in your hip and they don't
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really compute how hard it actually is.
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So I noticed over time, you know, as the months went on, I
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was having to withdraw far more, especially in college.
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It actually just so happened that the pandemic hit when my
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hips got particularly bad. So it was the case of when
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everyone was going back to normal life, you know, maybe
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around 2021-2022 when the pandemic was finally over, I
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guess I couldn't make that return.
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I was staying exactly where I was, which was hard because as
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much as my very close friends understood why I was in such a
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bad way, people in in college didn't really understand why,
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why I wasn't coming in. You know, you hear chatty, hear
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people saying, oh, well, he doesn't want to come to class.
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He's just not bothered or whatever.
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And I'm at home really wanting to make it in, but I couldn't
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because the hip pain was too bad.
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I just find it hard to navigate, especially because it's, it's
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kind of like a hidden disability for me.
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Like you would never tell that I've got, you know, 2 arthritic
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hips and I don't think you could ever tell with anybody.
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But I just think I'm, you know, I look like the last person who
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would be going through that. I remember just feeling so
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anxious going into college because it just felt like I was
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an imposter or something. I'm looking around and no one
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can see what I'm going through. And it was just, it was hard to,
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it's hard to process. And I'm sure you've probably
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found out yourself. Like if it's not immediately
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visible, it's a hard feeling. Oh yeah, for sure.
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I'm totally with you there. And like, it's frustrating when
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you don't want to be known for your disability, but you want
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people to understand at the same time, like, like you said, you
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just just an average guy from Dublin, you know, and if people
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want to assume that you're not turning up to classes just
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because, oh, you know, like he's just ditching them.
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Classic. But you also, you want them to
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understand that it is something, something much deeper than that.
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But you also don't want to be known for that.
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You don't want that to be like your whole personality at the
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same time and for them to think of your hips when they think of
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you, you know? So I think, yeah, there is
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definitely like a weird in between that you want to be seen
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and understood because the disability is invisible.
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But you also don't want people to pity you or to like, not
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include you in things because they think that it's too
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difficult for you. You know what I mean?
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Exactly. And, and how do you strike that
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balance when you don't get to decide how people make their
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mind off about you? That's one of the harder parts.
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And it's more about accepting it than anything because you're
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right. Like you want to tell people so
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that they can understand, but then you don't want people to
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see you any differently. And to be honest, a lot of
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people naturally do see you differently.
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You know, if they don't have friends and family who are going
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through health issues, they're they're going to see you
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differently. And I think there's a certain
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element of accepting that and just saying, you know, well, it
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is what it is. But that took me time.
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It definitely wasn't something that I was able to do in the
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beginning. So I probably went back to
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college after, I think it would have been third year of of my
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degree when we finally got back in the building after the
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pandemic. And I didn't tell anyone.
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And then I think by the end of final year, I kind of realised,
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well, I should probably, I should probably say something.
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I found a huge difference when I started my full time job.
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I said it from the get go from day one, so that that was just,
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people knew that's exactly who I was and it was, it was a huge,
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huge relief. I think that's probably
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something that I, I wish I could tell myself earlier.
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I probably should have just been more open about it from the get
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go. Like obviously I am being open
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about it now to a lot of people better late than ever.
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But it definitely is one of those things that it really
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takes time and it's a lot harder I think than most people
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realise. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Well, I'm proud of you for telling your workmates about it
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because it can't be, can't be such a scary thing.
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And like I said, you know, you don't want to be known for it.
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But like you said, it's, it's a relief.
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It's something that you know, they know about now and you're
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advocating for yourself at the same time.
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And what did you study and what, what is your work like?
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What do you do? Thanks.
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I appreciate that. And it was, it was kind of just
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the only way to go. I just couldn't do another.
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Well, I didn't know how long I was going to be in the job, so I
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couldn't do another potential five years or something with
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people not knowing it's in accounting and finance.
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So I did business and management in college and believe it or
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not, I kind of chose the lane I would go down in order to suit
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my situation the best. Like you're allowed choose
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whatever classes you want to choose to major in.
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So you could go down the route of accounting, you could do
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economics, marketing. It was kind of one of those
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pretty general courses where you can choose your fate.
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And I kind of knew that accounting is one of those roles
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that a lot of it is work from home.
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A lot of it it's reliable. It's you know, I'm kind of a
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numbers guy, so it suited me and I, I'm basically in a graduate
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programme now. So it's a three and a four year
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programme where you work, but then you study for the chartered
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accounting exams outside of work.
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And, and in a way, I kind of gave myself a massive bit of
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work to do, you know, signing up for more exams after college
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when I barely got through the college exams.
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It doesn't really make sense on paper, but I also didn't want to
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let my situation and my pain kind of hold me back because
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that's what I would have done if if not for my hips going bad.
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So I wanted to stick with it. So I'm, I'm in the job about 2
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1/2 years and I'm about halfway through those accounting exams.
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I did have to postpone a full year of them for the operation,
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which was definitely worth doing because trying to work full time
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and study for exams after work when I couldn't sit in the chair
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for longer than 10 or 15 minutes at a time without pain, it was
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impossible. So it was definitely worth
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putting them on hold to get the operation.
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And now I'm kind of hoping when I've got these exams coming up
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into some that like I can sit in this chair pain free and
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actually not struggle for once. Because apart from that, I like
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the job. I can work from home, you know,
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most of the week. I try and make it into the
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office around once a week at the moment and I'm hoping I can kind
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of increase that. But it is, it is good.
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I've found just the stability of the job and the manoeuvrability
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of working from home really good because I never would have been
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able to go into the office five days a week if I did.
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I actually turned down job offers from places who didn't
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have work from home because I should.
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I just knew it wouldn't work. Yeah, it's all about that
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balance, you know, pardon the pun, but it is about that, you
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know, finding something that works for you and being strong
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enough to turn things down that you know won't suit for you,
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won't won't suit you. You said you found you find
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sitting down for a long period of time too painful.
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Yeah. OK.
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Interesting. And and standing for too long
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was painful too. So I was, there was like nothing
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I could do before that would just give me relief.
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It's just, it's, it's complicated, but it makes sense
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when you think about it because when you're sitting down, your
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hip joints at a 90° angle. And that means that like, you
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know, I, I did this earlier, like it's basically your hip
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getting trapped in the joint and that kind of burning pain
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through the front of the hip. If anyone else is watching this
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who has had hip issues or you know, hip arthritis or anything,
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they're going to get it. Like that burning pain would
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just flare up when you're sitting down and then you think,
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OK, well, maybe you stand instead, but then you can't
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really stand for too long either.
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So it was, I'd just be up and down.
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It'd be a nightmare. That's one of those things I
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don't miss. Like I someone in work asked
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like what's 1 of the biggest differences since getting the
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operation and I actually said just being able to do my normal
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9 to 5, which most people. I'm not going to say people take
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for granted being able to just work a normal 9:00 to 5:00
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because a lot of jobs aren't great and I think most people
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don't like their jobs. But it's a lot harder to do your
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job when you can't just sit at your desk without being in pain.
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Especially when my old surgeon told me to get a desk job
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because anything else I wouldn't be able to do.
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It's like I couldn't even do that properly.
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Wow, That is tough to hear, though, from a surgeon.
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You know, like, your options are very limited, by the way.
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And if you had a dream of doing a job that's really physical,
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then I would nip eye in the butt now.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the problem,
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yeah. Even though I obviously don't
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have the bone like hip issues, I can relate in a way that relates
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to my muscles. Obviously for me, sitting down
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for a long time is, you know, it's good to like rest and relax
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and whatever, But as soon as I stand up, I feel like a grandpa
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that's like hasn't stood up for years.
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Like I'm so stiff, like as and if I start walking, my body's
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not like warmed up to just go, you know, and I get like
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sciatica or I get just like other really bad pains.
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So for me, it is like finding the balance of sitting down and
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keeping moving at the same time. And I really struggle to be on
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my feet for a long time. Like I, you know, if I'm stood
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in a conversation with someone, there will be a point where I'm
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like, I'm so sorry, I have to sit down.
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It is like a bit of back and forth and you're never, you're
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never like completely comfortable in one position.
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Yeah. So that can.
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Be hard, especially in like. Did you find that hard in in
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university? Probably sitting in some lecture
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hall for two hours, not able to take that break or get a
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comfortable seat. Actually, I studied theatre, so
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it was quite a physical course and I actually really struggled
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with that. And I was like, you know, I had
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to like sit some of the exercises out because I was just
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so tired and I needed to sit down.
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So for me it was like a case of being on my feet too much.
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So maybe that's why I didn't really realise that being sat
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down for a very long time was bad for me until after uni when
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I was getting into, you know, office jobs or jobs where I'd be
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sat working from home and I realised that I hadn't been up
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all morning. That is kind of where I started
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to realise that there was an issue with sitting down for a
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long time as well. And also, you know, with, with
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my condition, you have to try and keep as much, as much of
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your muscles like moving as much as you can.
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And it is, you know, without overdoing it either.
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So it is about like trying to just do it little and often and
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as much as you can. But yeah, my, my main problem in
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uni was going to like clubs and bars and I would just be dancing
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or standing for way too long. My friends would literally have
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to force me to sit down. I always struggle to get a seat
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because, you know, there'll actually even be times where I
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might see people sitting down and I'd have to kind of say, why
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would you mind if I sit down? And if it's, you know, one in
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the morning in, in a Poland town, someone is probably going
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to be like along the lines of what are you talking about?
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Like why we do need to sit down. And I'm not going to get stuck
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into my whole story there. And then so that, you know, I'm
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sure you've probably been in that situation where you often
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end up just not going out. Like is it, is it weird to
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Google the place you're going and see if they've chairs?
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Because that's something I've done like.
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God, I could tell you what type of seats every place in Dublin
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has on the seats because if if it was a place that didn't have
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seats or if had high stools, which just were a killer for me,
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it'll be an OGO. I'm still trying to tell my
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girlfriend now that like we don't have to consider those
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things that we can go to any bar even if the even if the chairs
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suck because it doesn't matter anymore.
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It's already trying to like, fix that train of thought because it
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was my reality for so long. Honestly I totally get that,
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like I hate places where the seats are too low because I
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don't have the strength to get up from them or I would need to
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bring someone with me that's able to lift me up.
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Like I'm literally dead weight. Like if someone picks me up,
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like I don't have any strength to, to help the process of
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standing back up. So someone if they have to pick
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me up, they have to take the whole like all of the weight.
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So I can't just, I don't want to ask like a random stranger to do
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that. So yeah, I'm definitely used to
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looking at places beforehand. So you're not alone there.
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And it's a very, very common thing for anyone with a
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disability. But I know it's like AI,
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especially within my community, we've talked about this a lot.
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We all seem to be looking at places beforehand and figure out
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what type of seats they are and things like that.
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And I've definitely had the look of like, why, why do you need
21:31
that chair? Like why are you struggling?
21:33
Why do you need to sit down? And now it just gets to the
21:36
point where I can just be like, I have a disability, but I'm not
21:39
going to get into that. Now.
21:40
Here's my card about my podcast. You give that a lesson.
21:44
So now after this episode, you can just refer people to this
21:46
episode so. They yeah, I'll send them the
21:49
link. I want to ask you about your
21:53
surgery and how it was like, you know, after that you said you
21:57
don't have to worry about things like that anymore.
21:59
What's that transition been like, you know, since getting
22:02
that surgery? Yeah, it's, it's been a bit of a
22:05
crazy journey because it's been just over a year now and it was
22:11
kind of like one step back, 2 steps forward because the
22:15
initial months were an extremely tough recovery, but I've been
22:20
improving continuously. It's it's kind of crazy because
22:24
getting both hips done is very unorthodox.
22:28
But in my situation, it was what my surgeon elected for.
22:31
It was a combination of I had a leg length difference before the
22:35
surgery because my right hip was so worn, there was a better A2
22:40
centimetre difference. And that sounds like a lot, but
22:44
there's some people who four or five, but like 2 centimetres
22:47
still. That was like wearing a, an
22:49
insole about this, taking my right shoe for the past few
22:51
years. So he wanted to do both together
22:55
to get the legs the same length. And he also taught that apart
22:59
from my hip issues, I'm healthy and fit otherwise.
23:02
So he thought that I could kind of do the difficult recovery,
23:07
that I'd be OK for it. What he didn't tell me was that
23:09
you need a good leg for everything, like if you're on
23:12
crutches. I kind of, I had to use crutches
23:15
without being able to plant either foot, which was basically
23:19
me like swinging my body. So it was kind of funny in one
23:22
way. But then you just kind of think
23:24
those for a few weeks of recovery.
23:25
I think you got one hip done. You think, OK, well, I'll use my
23:28
good leg to get out of bed, I'll use it to get up the stairs.
23:31
But I didn't have that benefit. So it just made for an extremely
23:35
tough for a few weeks, like really, really tough, harder,
23:40
harder than I thought. And that's just one of those
23:42
things that I try and share as well.
23:44
I try and say that like I'm as positive as I can be.
23:47
But I also want to be honest because I think a lot of people
23:50
head into hip replacement not knowing just how hard it is.
23:54
That's probably the number one thing I get people messaging or
23:56
commenting about saying on day 4, I feel like I'm dying, like I
24:00
did not know it was going to be this hard.
24:02
So it's by no means it's a walk in the park.
24:04
I think a lot of people, especially in the US who are
24:07
older, they can get a minimally invasive operation so they can
24:12
get it through the front of the hip and they don't have to cut
24:14
through muscles and they're walking at a hospital the next
24:17
day. That's not the experience that
24:19
most people with serious hip issues get.
24:20
You're getting, you know, the real thing and it is a hard
24:24
recovery. But I would say from around a
24:26
three month mark is when I was able to start rebuilding.
24:29
I would say, you know, off crutches, back to work, back
24:33
driving, able to go out and do things.
24:35
I actually went to a concert standing.
24:37
It would have been around 14 or 15 weeks post op, Sorry, I was
24:41
still limping a lot. I was still kind of in pain.
24:44
But even though my legs were super weak and even though I was
24:47
only off crutches a matter of weeks, I was able to stand at a
24:51
concert for about an hour and a half even better than I ever was
24:55
before. You know, the second day,
24:56
replace your hips, that hip pain you has in the joint is gone
25:01
overnight. The only pain you're dealing
25:03
with is trying to fix your muscles.
25:05
And I'm I'm sure you know all about that.
25:06
My hip muscles are still a bit confused because they've had bad
25:10
joints to work around for 23 years and they've got metal ones
25:14
to try and adjust to. So there's a lot of work that
25:16
goes into that and the rehab and the recovery.
25:18
So, you know, I've been rebuilding since the three month
25:21
mark from about six months is when I felt really good for I
25:25
kind of started feeling more like myself again because the
25:28
operation getting such a big set back, it really you don't feel
25:31
like yourself for a while. And I'm quite I, I found it very
25:34
tough mentally and to kind of try and keep the strength keep
25:38
going, especially after such a hard few years.
25:40
But I would say from around the six month mark until now, I've
25:43
been getting better and better. And I'm finally at that point
25:47
now where I can kind of say I've made it because I'm, I'm not
25:50
fully, fully recovered because my left hip still has a bit of
25:53
work to do, but my right hip is 100%.
25:55
It feels like a normal hip. And I kind of, I can start
26:00
living life normally now I think and try and put this behind me
26:03
in a way and kind of move on, which is something I never
26:06
thought I'd be able to say, but it is exciting.
26:09
That's so nice. That's so lovely to hear.
26:11
Like you've gone through so much and you, you've come out so
26:15
strong and you've built that resilience and that patience.
26:19
You know, it sounds like a lot of patience, you know, waiting
26:21
those five years for the operation and then just waiting
26:25
for your muscles to slowly get used to your new hips and for
26:30
you to rebuild that strength. And you've obviously been
26:33
sharing a lot of your recovery journey on TikTok as well and
26:37
Instagram. First of all, when did you start
26:39
doing that? What what made you want to start
26:41
sharing your journey online? That's a great question.
26:44
And it's funny because I have a few memories to stick out in the
26:48
weeks in a run off to the operation.
26:50
And it was at the beginning of February last year.
26:53
So from the turn of the new year.
26:55
I actually remember on New Year's Eve saying, you know, my
27:00
New Year's resolution is I really love to make a video like
27:03
just one about my operation when I get it done just in case
27:07
someone else with birthday sees it.
27:10
I kind of crunched the numbers and I thought, well, if one in
27:13
25,000 people have it will, then if I can make a video that
27:17
somehow gets maybe 50,000 views, then maybe someone will see it.
27:21
And the more I thought about it, I thought, you know what, I
27:25
should probably just do this. So I waited until about two
27:29
months after, two weeks after the operation.
27:32
Sorry, and I mean, I, I was sitting on the couch there.
27:35
I'm not some better to do. So I made a video about my
27:38
experience. I had three or four people
27:41
message me who were in their early 20s with birthdays disease
27:44
in Ireland, in the UK. And it was just incredible
27:48
because I I'd never met anyone who I'd never met anyone who had
27:53
birthdays disease before. It was mind blowing.
27:56
It was crazy. I couldn't believe that, you
27:58
know, putting a calf code video up on my TikTok, man, that I was
28:02
getting to talk to other people who were living the exact same
28:05
experience as me. As soon as that kind of
28:08
happened, I thought, well, I just have to keep doing this.
28:12
Like even if I didn't want to, I felt a bit of a responsibility
28:17
almost because I knew that there wasn't really people talking
28:20
about this and especially not guys.
28:22
I feel like in this kind of area online it I, I would go as far
28:27
as says it's probably maybe 80%. It's like an 8020 split.
28:31
There just really aren't that many guys talking about it.
28:33
So I kind of thought, well, I just want to be that person that
28:36
I wish I'd seen before my operation.
28:38
You know, I was in hospital for five days, longest 5 days of my
28:42
life and I had plenty of time to see everything I could online
28:46
about HIPAA basement. And I didn't see any young
28:48
people talking about it and I didn't see any guys talking
28:50
about it. So I thought, well, let me put
28:52
the information out there so that if another guy like me is
28:55
heading in for a hip replacement, they can see a
28:57
video of mine pop up on TikTok and maybe feel a little bit at
29:00
ease. And that's what's carried me
29:03
this whole time. It just gained momentum.
29:05
It kept going and going and going.
29:08
And I'm not sure if you had that moment yourself where maybe
29:11
after a couple of months it kind of hits you that you're sharing
29:15
so much of yourself online and you kind of get cold feet for a
29:17
little while and you think, oh, what am I doing?
29:19
Because I never thought I'd do that.
29:21
But I've always, you know, kept in mind that I'm only doing this
29:25
to help people and to raise awareness for the issues that
29:29
people aren't really speaking about.
29:31
Like you said earlier, there's a gap in the market.
29:32
Like they're there honestly is there's a gap in the market that
29:35
I didn't even know existed. I didn't know there was this
29:37
many people getting hip replacements.
29:39
But I swear, if I had to go back to every message, every comment
29:42
that I've got, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of young
29:45
people and they're just people who've seen my videos.
29:47
What about everyone who's actually out there?
29:49
So it's been really, really enjoyable kind of raising
29:53
awareness for that and just kind of connecting with other people.
29:55
It's so cool getting a message from someone saying you're the
29:58
first other person I've seen getting hip replacement young,
30:01
you know, kind of like what I was like in the beginning.
30:03
It's just, it's been really rewarding.
30:05
And I kind of, I mean, how could I soften that?
30:08
How could I just leave it here, you know?
30:11
Yeah, absolutely. That's incredible what you've
30:13
done. And not only have you managed to
30:16
connect with so many people, which on one hand is kind of
30:19
frustrating because you know, you're you have to do the work
30:23
to find your community. You have to put yourself out
30:26
there in order for people to message you.
30:28
But you know, it's it. On the other hand, it's great
30:31
that, you know, you have been able to connect with the
30:33
community, but also you've been raising awareness and bringing
30:38
these experiences to people's feeds that have maybe never,
30:42
ever seen anything like this before, like me.
30:46
And I was like, wow, OK, this is actually really, really
30:48
educational. And that's what I hope to do.
30:50
You know, not Only Connect with my community and make people
30:54
feel less alone in their experiences, but also educate
30:56
people who may not know much about invisible disabilities in
31:00
young people and just wanted to raise awareness of that.
31:04
And yeah, the response has just been amazing.
31:06
And yes, I definitely have moments where especially with my
31:09
podcast when I'm editing back and I have to listen to my own
31:12
voice a lot. And, you know, everyone cringes
31:15
at their own voice. And I do have those moments
31:17
where I'm like, what am I saying?
31:19
Like this is useless. But then I realise, you know, I
31:22
think back of all the messages I've had and they're all things
31:26
like, wow, I really, really appreciate.
31:27
I really needed this episode or like, it's so nice to know that
31:32
like listening to you feels like listening to myself and, and I
31:36
just remember my why, you know, why am I doing this?
31:39
I'm doing this to help other people.
31:40
Like that's, that's push my pride aside.
31:43
Other people clearly can tolerate my voice if they're
31:45
listening to my podcast, so it's fine.
31:47
That's a good way of looking at it.
31:48
Yeah. Because I I still, I mean, I'm
31:50
maybe finally accepting it by Yeah, I struggle badly at that.
31:54
You know, how many times do you just hover over like the delete
31:57
button because you're thinking, ah, you know.
32:00
Absolutely. You're not the only one, I
32:03
promise. But your accent's great.
32:05
You know you've got who doesn't want to listen to an Irish like
32:07
a chat all day? Thanks.
32:09
Maybe it's a gap in the market because this is that's another
32:11
thing I'm sure you found like I feel like Ireland is so behind
32:15
in in terms of that, even compared to the UKI feel like
32:19
it's very uncommon for people to put themselves out there and
32:22
there's kind of a lot of judgement there.
32:24
But it's kind of like, you know, when you see people talk about
32:27
climbing cringe mountain and it's like the people who be
32:30
maybe saying stuff at the beginning are the people who'll
32:33
be patently on the back when you reach a certain point, you know,
32:36
you just kind of have to think of it like that.
32:39
In fact, you. Actually.
32:41
Oh really? Oh, it's well, it's just one of
32:43
those things that I've seen pop up on my feed a few times.
32:46
You know, you know, those people who like are content creators
32:49
where they're saying you're like giving you tips and stuff.
32:52
And I've just seen videos of someone saying that like, think
32:55
of content creation as cringe mountain that like you start at
32:58
the bottom and until you reach a certain point, it really does
33:02
feel like, you know, you're not going to get there.
33:04
You feel like you're being cringy and you're, you feel kind
33:07
of weird about it yourself. And then when you reach a
33:09
certain point of success, it's like, you know, because you've
33:13
hit that point, everything that you've done up until that point
33:16
is no longer kind of cringy. People aren't judging you for
33:20
it's, it's kind of, I don't know if you'd call it a certain
33:22
amount of followers online or a certain amount of views, but you
33:26
know, you look at some successful creators and you
33:29
think, wow, like they're doing so great.
33:32
But there was probably people judging them when they only had
33:35
like 1000 followers. You know, just a good way to
33:38
look at it or you just have to not.
33:41
I think my operation really made me not care what people think.
33:45
Coming from someone who cared so much about what people thought.
33:50
But I just with the amount of stares I'd get on the on the
33:53
crutches and people looking and people making comments and ask
33:56
me questions, I just had to it kind of, it was like exposure
34:00
therapy in a way. It kind of made me not care what
34:04
people would think anymore. Like, I went to a gig, it was a
34:07
comedy gig around six weeks post op, which was the absolute
34:10
earliest I was advised to do anything.
34:12
But it was my favourite comedian and I had front row seats and I
34:15
didn't want to miss it. And I remember walking into the
34:18
Three Arena in Dublin and I had to walk on my crutches to the
34:23
very front row with like security with me to help me in.
34:25
And I turned around and I'm not going to pretend like 10,000
34:29
people are looking at me because I'm not that absorbed, but a lot
34:32
of people were staring and it was like a shocking moment.
34:37
And since then I've, I've just kind of cared less.
34:40
It was kind of like way I have like I can see hundreds of
34:43
people are looking at me and I can see someone pointing and
34:46
going like this. And you know, I kind of just had
34:48
to take that on the chin. And from then, I can't have
34:51
really cared about, you know, putting myself out there online
34:54
because I had to put myself out there nearly in person first, if
34:58
if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
35:00
Wow. OK, that's a very scary thought,
35:02
but I like to see it now. It's like, you know, especially
35:06
if there's like young kids or something and they're staring
35:08
and they're watching me walk really funny.
35:10
I'm like, this might be weird for them, but they need more
35:13
representation. They need to see more people,
35:16
more young people in wheelchairs, more young people
35:18
with mobility aids or walking a bit differently or with
35:20
disabilities in general. So I'm, you know, if they're
35:23
going to stay, I'm happy to be that person, this area.
35:26
So hopefully it won't be as weird the next time see someone
35:29
with a disability. Definitely.
35:32
And it shouldn't, it shouldn't ever be something that's out of
35:35
the ordinary. And maybe it only is for them
35:37
because they're not seeing it that often.
35:39
But especially with kind of hidden disabilities, I'm, I'm
35:42
still kind of surprised at how uneducated most people are.
35:47
And you kind of think, well, like, how do we fix that?
35:49
Like should people be, should it be taught in schools?
35:52
Should it be, you know, not really sure what the solution is
35:54
there, but I do know that let's say the content you're creating
35:58
and then some of the stuff I'm trying to do, I just feel like
36:01
it has to be the type of thing that, you know, on social media,
36:05
if enough people share their stories and and show the behind
36:09
the scenes, because that's the part that people don't get to
36:12
see. I do think that's helping people
36:14
become more kind of educated on the topic.
36:18
Like some of my, I actually do on purpose, some posts of me
36:22
before I choose a photo of me where I for the front photo that
36:27
I'm, I look perfect. Like I look like I'm just on
36:30
holiday or in the gym or something.
36:33
And then as the post goes on, it's when I'm showing the double
36:36
hip replacement, I'm showing the crutches, I'm showing, you know,
36:39
because that's what people see. And when people see that and
36:44
then they read the title, you know, my disability to kind of
36:47
go, wait a second. But we need to get to a point
36:50
where people don't have to see it to understand it.
36:53
Like that shouldn't be shocking. You know, it shouldn't be
36:55
shocking that someone has a, a disability or an illness or a
36:59
health issue that isn't visible. But, but unfortunately it is.
37:02
It's, it's shocking. And that's why we nearly have to
37:05
use it to our advantage to try and kind of put it out there as
37:08
much as we can, because it does give people a shock.
37:10
Yeah, it does. And it's frustrating that we're
37:14
still at that point, but hopefully it'll get better.
37:16
I I just love catching people out.
37:18
Like if someone, if anyone, has the audacity, I can just say I
37:22
have a disability and usually that shuts them up.
37:25
Yeah, usually. They're like, oh God, OK, I'm so
37:27
sorry. Yeah, but you kind of feel like
37:30
saying why didn't you think of that in the 1st place, you know?
37:32
Yeah, like everyone's got something going on.
37:34
Do you know what I mean? Like everyone's got like some
37:36
kind of health issue or disability.
37:38
And it's not like it's a really rare thing, which is weird that
37:41
people still seem shocked when they see a young person with a
37:45
disability. Like there's, there's, there's a
37:47
lot of conditions out there, you know, open your open your brain
37:51
a little bit. So we're talking a lot about,
37:54
you know, raising awareness and misconceptions.
37:56
I will ask if there are any misconceptions about having a
38:01
double hip replacement that you maybe want to share that you
38:03
want people to know. Yeah, there's one thing that
38:06
comes to mind straight away, although there's a few.
38:09
The assumption that it's somehow my fault has been a much more
38:14
common thing than you would think.
38:17
I guess it's it's the whole you're a young guy, you probably
38:21
were playing sports and like random into the ground or
38:24
something, which I like. I mean, it doesn't draw a
38:26
reaction out of me now. But you can imagine.
38:28
I made for a walk in the park down the road from here for the
38:32
very first time after my operation.
38:34
I'm going for a walk with my girlfriend, trying to do maybe 5
38:37
minutes on my crutches. And I run into people and they
38:40
say, oh, were you, were you playing rugby?
38:42
Did you, did you hurt yourself? What did you do to yourself?
38:46
Yeah. And listen, I can, I can
38:50
understand it because you're not expecting anybody under the age
38:54
of 60 to get a hip replacement naturally due to, you know,
38:58
health reasons, But that is hard.
39:01
And, you know, I, I just do feel like because I look like someone
39:07
who would be sporty playing sports, maybe just people make
39:11
that assumption. I guess it just goes to show how
39:14
little people know about these rare diseases.
39:17
Like my responses always know I, I had a rare disease since
39:21
childhood. It was degenerative and my hips
39:24
needed to be replaced. And it's like people don't even
39:27
know that. That's the thing.
39:29
Like that's possible. People maybe just aren't open
39:31
minded enough. Like, you know, if there's so
39:33
many different health issues and diseases and conditions out
39:36
there that we don't even know about.
39:37
So I don't expect people to know of Perth, a disease.
39:40
I think it's something that no one knows about really.
39:43
I'm trying to change that, but I'd still like to hope that
39:46
people maybe pause for a second before making judgments.
39:50
They're making their minds up because it is quite damaging.
39:54
And I guess the part of it that frustrates me is that I've done
39:58
everything in my power up until now to do my best to minimise my
40:03
pain, minimise my. And hip damage.
40:06
So the insinuation that I would be at fault is kind of hard to
40:10
digest, you know? Yeah, well, that is some great
40:13
advice for anyone less saying that or just anyone in general
40:17
that, you know, might immediately jump the gun and
40:20
think that it's it's their fault.
40:22
But actually there might be a lot more layers to it.
40:25
So thank you for sharing that. And on the topic of advice, I
40:30
would love to ask you a question that I ask all my interviewees
40:33
at the end of the episode. What is your piece of advice to
40:36
anyone who's struggling with a diagnosis or to your younger
40:40
self? The advice that I would give is
40:43
that I think a lot of the difficulty with being open about
40:47
your health issues or a diagnosis you've gotten, I find
40:51
in my experience it was refusing to accept it.
40:53
I mentioned my experience in college, earlier years of my
40:57
life were a lot harder than they needed to be because I kept that
41:00
to myself. And I just wish I'd shared
41:03
earlier on. I wish I was more open about it
41:05
because it's not something that we should have to hide.
41:09
And I know there is a fear there that people treat you
41:12
differently or judge you, but you'll come to realise that the
41:15
people who do treat you differently and judge you aren't
41:19
people you want in your life anyway.
41:21
They're never going to be your best friends.
41:23
And and that's one of those things you have to accept and
41:25
say, you know what, that's fine because it means that the people
41:28
who are close with you in your life are going to be way more
41:32
supportive than because they know you're struggling, they
41:34
know what you're going through. And if you're not telling people
41:37
about what you're going through, yes, you're not going to get any
41:40
judgement, but you're not going to get that support either
41:42
because people aren't aware of what you're going through.
41:44
So my best advice would be to be as open as you can be welcome to
41:50
support and also welcome to judgement and accept it because
41:53
you know it is what it is. The people it's it's actually a
41:56
great philtre. You'll really find out who your
41:58
good friends are that way, because the people who are there
42:01
for you, who are going to support you are the people you
42:03
want in your life and the people who aren't you probably don't
42:06
want to be friends anyway. So it's, it's actually, it's a
42:09
win, win. Absolutely, if it phases out all
42:12
the all the bad people. It does, yeah.
42:15
It really does. It's actually a relief.
42:18
And then I guess what I would say to my younger self is age 5
42:21
to 10, it was quite a long stint and quite a crucial part of
42:27
your, your life, you know, formative years.
42:30
I guess I would just tell myself that it would all be OK because
42:35
that's what I've been holding on to this whole time.
42:38
I think if I didn't hold on to hope this whole time, I never
42:41
would have made it this far. I certainly wouldn't have
42:43
recovered from my operation. I guess what I'm trying to be is
42:47
proof that there is light at the end of the tunnel because as
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much as I've held on start told over the years, in my lowest
42:53
moments, I'm here thinking I'm never going to get there.
42:57
And I see that so often, especially people in my
42:59
position, young people needing hip replacements with hip
43:01
issues. The saying I'm never going to
43:03
get there. Even if I do get the operation,
43:05
I'm not going to recover from it.
43:07
And I just want to be proof that there is light at the end of the
43:11
tunnel. And now I want to show what's
43:13
possible. I want to figure out, you know,
43:15
can I run again? Can I play sports again?
43:17
What kind of young person with a double hip replacement do?
43:20
Can you travel the world? What, like what can you do?
43:22
I just want to be that prove to my younger self that, you know,
43:25
it's all going to work out. And that just makes me think if
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I want to be that to my younger self, I want to be that to
43:31
everyone else out there too. So that's what I'm determined to
43:34
do. Now I've recovered my recovery,
43:36
I guess as such is is finished, but I'm Sony just starting to
43:40
rebuild and I I would just love for someone younger, maybe 10.
43:46
I'd no one under 10 should be using social media.
43:49
But maybe someone can see a video of mine of maybe me
43:52
running a 5K next year and after getting a double hip replacement
43:56
afterlife on hip issues. And maybe that can just be to
43:58
prove that, you know, it'll work out.
44:02
Yeah, for sure there is always light at the end of the tunnel
44:05
and maybe you need to go into schools and start sharing your
44:07
experience because you never know who's going to relate to
44:10
it. Thanks.
44:11
That's actually something I'd love to do.
44:13
Sometimes I wonder how do you go about those things, but that's
44:15
actually something I really would like to do.
44:18
Have you done that before? I have, yeah, only because my
44:22
mum teaches in a primary school, so I just went to his school and
44:26
I've been there a couple Times Now.
44:27
Just like really kind of informally, just sharing my
44:30
experience on a stage in front of some kids and getting them to
44:34
talk amongst each other about what they think disabilities
44:37
look like and telling them that, you know, disabilities aren't
44:40
always visible. And, you know, workshopping that
44:42
one thing that's really stuck out to me is that after one of
44:46
the sessions, the teachers wanted all the all their classes
44:49
to have pictures with me, which is really cute.
44:51
And at one of the pictures, a girl, a young girl came up to me
44:55
and she was like, I have spina bifida and listening to your
44:59
story is like listening to me. And I just want to say thank you
45:03
so much. And I was like, like, you have
45:06
no idea how much that means to me.
45:07
Like, obviously she has an invisible disability as well.
45:11
So knowing that there is someone older than her that's sharing
45:15
the experiences just just makes it so much easier to to deal
45:19
with what you're going through. And that will always stick with
45:22
me. So I it's like motivating me to
45:24
do more. So I would definitely just
45:27
contact schools. That's so nice.
45:29
And you kind of just have to think like, imagine you had
45:32
someone when you were that age, you know, like who was doing
45:36
that? You know, you can't change the
45:37
past, but you can change the future.
45:39
And that's the thing. As long as you're just helping
45:42
one person, that's always what I'm thinking, like with
45:45
everything I'm trying to do. I'm sure you're the same, like,
45:47
you know, it's, it's actually incredible being able to help
45:51
people purely just by sharing experience because I feel like
45:54
when you're going through health issues, feeling like you odd one
45:57
out, feeling like, you know, you're the only one going
45:59
through it might be the hardest feeling with it.
46:03
It might be one of the hardest parts of it.
46:04
So it's just nice to able to do that, that that sounds really
46:08
nice and it makes me want to do the same, you know, speaking
46:11
about it more visiting schools, that's something I might follow
46:13
up on now. So thanks.
46:15
Well, you've done your first podcast now, so let this be your
46:18
sign. Yeah, yeah.
46:19
And I really enjoyed it. Thanks so much for having me on.
46:22
Like I, I just feel like this is I don't like the nature of how
46:27
short form that's a TikTok can be.
46:29
That's swipe, swipe, swipe. It's like walk and grab my
46:31
attention. I like, I most prefer sharing my
46:34
story in this kind of format. And you know, I think what
46:37
you're doing is great and it's, it's, it's actually really good
46:40
that you've like just said, right, I'm doing this and you've
46:43
had some really great people on and you kind of just have to
46:46
think like this is how far you've come now.
46:48
Like, imagine how big this can get, you know, think about how
46:52
much. I'm not sure.
46:53
This is probably episode in the 80s.
46:56
Is it there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:58
Like imagine how. Fun.
47:00
I love that. Well, I had to, I had to check
47:04
it out, of course, but you just kind of have to think about like
47:08
how much you knew with episode one versus how much you know
47:11
now. And then think about it the same
47:14
amount of time when you hit episode 160, you know, it'll
47:18
just keep kind of building and building.
47:20
Yeah, yeah. Oh, thank you so much.
47:22
That really, really means a lot. And like you said, you know, I,
47:25
I much prefer this kind of content where we we can really
47:28
deep dive, really get to know some incredible stories and, you
47:32
know, like yourself just feel so, so inspired and educated at
47:36
the same time. So thank you so, so much for
47:39
coming on the podcast. I've really, really enjoyed
47:41
getting to know you and hopefully we can keep in touch.
47:44
Where can we find you on social media?
47:46
Absolutely, yeah, I'm on TikTok and Instagram at the moment.
47:50
It's just my name Jack Brennan on TikTok it's Jack double
47:55
underscore Brennan and then on Instagram it's the same with
47:58
another underscore at the end. Turns out there's a lot of Jack
48:01
Brennan's is quite, quite a common name.
48:03
But I think if you even search Jack Brennan hip replacement,
48:07
I'll, I should hopefully pop up so, you know, you can check me
48:11
out there. I'm hoping to start a new series
48:13
soon of me trying to learn how to run again, which I think will
48:18
be exciting. And I say trying because it
48:21
might not work like I might not be able to.
48:23
But it's just one of those things that I I really want to
48:26
prove a point and, you know, I've been able to show my
48:29
recovery, but I think it'd be pretty cool if I could show the
48:32
journey of me not being even able to run five sets now to you
48:35
never know, I might actually be able to run.
48:37
So if that sounds like something that might be interesting, check
48:42
it out. I just feel like there could be,
48:43
you know, like you said, educational, like even if your
48:46
hips are perfect, there might be something to take from my
48:49
experience and from other people going through the same thing,
48:51
so. Yeah.
48:53
And also like, you know, if someone's watching a piece of
48:56
content that you know of someone that's like willing to run or
48:59
whatever and they can do it, I'm like, you should realise that
49:02
you, you're taking this for granted and you should learn to
49:04
appreciate what you've got. Because I used to be able to run
49:07
and I can't, like you, I can't run a couple of steps anymore.
49:11
So, you know, I, I just hope that people out there out there
49:15
aren't taking it for granted and making the most of what they've
49:18
got, I guess. So that sounds like a great
49:20
series. Can't wait to watch that.
49:22
I'm not looking forward to showing me literally not being
49:25
able to run like it. It I, it doesn't look great, but
49:29
then again, me not even being able to walk didn't look great
49:32
either and look where I've got now.
49:34
So it's all good. You guys better check.
49:36
It out now, OK, because you know, he's not going to struggle
49:39
with this for nothing. He's got to get some views out
49:41
of it. Yeah, that's great.
49:45
Thanks so much guys for having me on.
49:46
I really appreciate it. Hopefully, I don't know, maybe
49:49
someday I'll have my own podcast and I could have you on the
49:52
other side of it. That'll be cool.
49:53
That'll be so cool. I'm holding you to that.
49:56
Definitely OK. OK, it's OK.
49:58
Thank you so much, Jack, for coming on the podcast and thank
50:01
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