Latest / Simply Bitcoin / How Much Bitcoin Do You Need to Retire? | EP 807
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- 0:09It's all going to zero against Bitcoin.
- 0:13It's going up forever more. Yeah.
- 0:26Welcome to some of the Bitcoin live.
- 0:27We're number one source for the peaceful Bitcoin revolutionary
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- 0:31We will be your guide through the separation of money and
- 0:33state. Today we're going to ask the
- 0:35million sad question, how much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
- 0:38I don't know. But I'll tell you this,
- 0:42everyone's got some different opinions about it.
- 0:45So we're going to pull up some of the data.
- 0:46We're going to go through it. If you were to ask Michael
- 0:49Saylor, there's no such thing as having enough Bitcoin.
- 0:52That's why he keeps stacking. I'm on that camp.
- 0:55I don't think that there is such thing as having enough Bitcoin,
- 0:58so I'm going to keep stacking as much as I can.
- 1:01But it is a very interesting question, like how much Bitcoin
- 1:04would you need to require? And of course, today is going to
- 1:07be an episode specifically during the new segment of
- 1:11dubious speculation, because that's really what it is.
- 1:14No one really knows where the price of Bitcoin is going.
- 1:16All I know is that I believe it's going up forever because it
- 1:19is Infinity day. It is 21,000,000 divided by
- 1:24Infinity. So I feel like that's a very
- 1:27simple, that's a very simple, it's a very simple question and
- 1:32to use Greg Foss's own words, it's just math, right,
- 1:3521,000,000 divided by Infinity. So we're going to cover all of
- 1:39that today. We got a lot of data.
- 1:40We got a lot of things to go over.
- 1:42It's going to be a great show. And we also have some very
- 1:45special guests from up north. So we're going to, I'm going to
- 1:48bring them up on stage and let them introduce themselves.
- 1:50Chris and Derek, how you guys doing?
- 1:54Happy to have you guys on the show and of course my legendary
- 1:57cohost who's always optimistic. How you doing Opti?
- 2:00I am honestly guys, I I might be getting some kind of a cold
- 2:05right now but hey, you know the show goes on.
- 2:08I don't know I maybe maybe I didn't eat good this morning or
- 2:11something. Maybe I'm too geeked up on
- 2:13coffee. But anyways, Nico, you uh you
- 2:15messed it up. It's Infinity divided by
- 2:1721,000,000 not the other way around I think.
- 2:19I know maps is hard. I know maps is hard and we're
- 2:22not mathematicians, we're talking heads.
- 2:24But it's Infinity divided by 21,000,000.
- 2:28There we go. And also before we go on, I will
- 2:31obviously be the most bullish one on the show.
- 2:34The question is, how much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
- 2:37I don't know. You guys are sounding way too
- 2:39bearish out there right now. Literally anything you own today
- 2:42will be money you can retire on. I'm convinced of this.
- 2:45But hey, Nico, give us the math. I I know you got some data.
- 2:48Wait, hold on, we'll break it. It's Monday.
- 2:51I'm not. I'm not gonna.
- 2:52I'm not gonna break it down. I'm gonna use someone else's
- 2:54breakdown. All I'm referencing is.
- 2:56I want to give some Nico. Jones Ranch today, Okay okay,
- 2:59Start off the week with the Nico Jones Ranch.
- 3:02I like it. Anyways, what are we gonna talk
- 3:03about during the culture segment?
- 3:05What these two gentlemen? It's what they're working on
- 3:07their company, Jewel Port, and how you can get paid for heating
- 3:11up your house or your business. That almost sounds too good to
- 3:16be true. Gentlemen, could you give a
- 3:17quick elevator pitch on what it is?
- 3:21Sure. So Dual Port is an innovative
- 3:23immersion company where we provide heating and Bitcoin
- 3:27mining in your house, Simply put and what we want to do is you
- 3:31want to bring mining back home. That's the, that's the push that
- 3:34Eric and I've been working on. I built mines, big mines in the
- 3:38past 2017, eighteen and I just realized that bitcoins just too
- 3:42good to not share, right. There's these big companies and
- 3:45they're profiting. So Derek and I and my team has
- 3:48been working on getting. A miner in your house, and our
- 3:52claim to fame is that we use the same electricity twice.
- 3:55How do we do that? So we use it once to mine
- 3:58bitcoins and wants to produce the heat.
- 4:00We pump the heat through your house.
- 4:02It's a great system. It's easy to install, plug and
- 4:05play. Once you got it, you're in the
- 4:07Bitcoin game. As soon as you start your system
- 4:09up, you're mining bitcoins and the system's good.
- 4:12It actually pays your electrical bill because you know, if you're
- 4:15at, say, 12 to 14 cents. And then there's money left
- 4:18over. So it provides passive income
- 4:21that is absolutely freaking insane.
- 4:25And I I can't emphasize enough how important this is, right?
- 4:28Especially you know since we we heard the news last, it was like
- 4:32it was late last week how 51% of the Bitcoin mining hash rate
- 4:39belongs to mining pools that KYC your Bitcoin miners whole miners
- 4:43are the last line of the fence and decentralization.
- 4:46So I can't emphasize it enough. The importance of home mining
- 4:50and look, you already have to heat your home, especially if
- 4:53like you live in a cold part of the world.
- 4:55Might as well just make some sats along the way too, right?
- 4:58So it's super awesome what you guys are doing.
- 5:01Derek, I don't know if you want to chime in before we jump into
- 5:03the show. Yeah, actually I do.
- 5:05So you mentioned the cold climate.
- 5:06So up here in Canada, natural gas, which is used to heat a lot
- 5:11of people's homes as well as to heat your hot water tanks.
- 5:14Whereas a lot of the electricity is provided either by hydro or a
- 5:18more and more significant portion is by wind and solar.
- 5:22So what's really interesting about this, up here in Canada,
- 5:25we have what's called the carbon tax, which means the government
- 5:28taxes you for heat, for giving yourself hot water or for
- 5:32heating your home. In addition to that, they also
- 5:35have what they call the clean fuel standard, which is actually
- 5:38an additional carbon tax. So every time you heat your
- 5:41home, you're you're actually paying a bunch of that money to
- 5:43the government. Just to make sure you don't
- 5:45freeze to death. So when you're able to use a
- 5:49mini system from Joule port, you're able to provide that home
- 5:53heating, that domestic hot water and you're able to avoid the
- 5:56carbon tax. So you're able to provide a
- 5:59greener footprint because you're using hydro or renewable
- 6:03electricity? Instead of using that natural
- 6:06gas, so keeping money out of the hands of the government, keeping
- 6:10it in your own pocket, reducing your carbon footprint and
- 6:14stacking some sats. That sounds perfect.
- 6:16That sounds perfect. That's, that's not, that's.
- 6:18And and specifically, that's only something that Bitcoin
- 6:20could do. So really, really, really cool.
- 6:24All right, gentlemen, no more delay.
- 6:25Let's jump straight into the show.
- 6:26We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot of stuff to, a lot
- 6:29of stuff to break down. Let's start the show the Bitcoin
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- 7:49Store it on titanium Anyways. At the time of recording the
- 7:52Bitcoin price is 25,995 sats for dollar 3847 block height 804,245
- 8:01blocks to having 35,755 having estimate April 20th 2024.
- 8:07Total lightning network capacity 4654 Bitcoin capacity value
- 8:11121,000,000 U.S. dollars. Realize monetary inflation
- 8:151.76%. The market capitalization of
- 8:17Bitcoin $506 billion with A B Bitcoin versus gold market cap
- 8:224.01% My favorite stat out of everything is the realized
- 8:27monetary inflation continuing to take Fiat currencies to absolute
- 8:31school and embarrassing them. Anyways, moving on, today is
- 8:35happy Bitcoin Infinity day. It is Infinity divided by 21
- 8:39million. You're I think you're right.
- 8:41Opt. I think I think I got it wrong
- 8:42in the 1st place. So happy Bitcoin Infinity day.
- 8:45Michael Saylor is tweeting about it as well happy Bitcoin
- 8:48Infinity day. And he also, he also tweeted,
- 8:52you know, this it's, it's interesting because The Simpsons
- 8:55predicts a lot of the things. Like if you see it over a long
- 8:57period of time. And I guess this is 1 from one
- 9:00of The Simpsons episodes and you know, it's like showing like,
- 9:03you know, the prices of things like it's a stock ticker.
- 9:06And then it says Bitcoin Infinity, which I think is
- 9:09absolutely hilarious. Maybe it's foreshadowing
- 9:12something. I don't know.
- 9:13Who knows. Anyways, this is what I want to
- 9:15talk about today. How much Bitcoin you need to
- 9:18retire. So inflation is the silent
- 9:21killer. Inflation is the silent theft.
- 9:23If you're in the Gen. Z or millennial generation, you
- 9:27have been impacted the most. Life is definitely more
- 9:29expensive than it was for your parents.
- 9:32According to this latest report, Gen.
- 9:34Z and Millennials need 3 to $5,000,000 to require.
- 9:40It goes on to say inflation has definitely affected the economy
- 9:43badly. Gen.
- 9:43Z and Millennials who are looking ahead to saving for
- 9:46their retirement need to rethink and restructure their finances.
- 9:50Early reports from 2022 pointed out that they need at least
- 9:53$3,000,000 to have a comfortable retirement.
- 9:55However, another survey by Bloomberg, MMLIV, Pulse has
- 10:01disclosed that Gen. Z and Millennials need anywhere
- 10:03between 3 to 5 million to have comfortable retirement.
- 10:07Is the $1 million retirement dream over?
- 10:09The typical retirement savings target has long been 1,000,000.
- 10:12However, the rise in inflation has led to three to five fold
- 10:15increases in the recommended retirement savings targets for
- 10:18Gen. Z and millennials.
- 10:20The study by Bloomberg found that more than 7 to 10 VET
- 10:22investors believe comfortable retirement savings should be
- 10:25between 3:00 to $5,000,000, goes on to say, David Goodsell,
- 10:30executive director director of the Naxis Center for Investment
- 10:34Insight, stated one of the key challenges we see in managing
- 10:38toward unknown We don't know what prices will be in the
- 10:41future, we don't know how long we'll live.
- 10:43And all of those all of that factors into into anxiety, the
- 10:48study surveyed by Bloomberg. Customers who tend to have
- 10:51careers in finance and relatively high incomes compared
- 10:54to average workers with reports servicing that U.S. government
- 10:57debt will rise by 5.2 billion every day and 61% of Americans
- 11:02living paycheck to paycheck, they're also they're also arises
- 11:07in necessity to ramp up savings to enjoy a peaceful retirement
- 11:10life. Well, you know, we always have
- 11:13this saying in Bitcoin, right? Bitcoin fixes this, and I think
- 11:17this is one of those things that Bitcoin truly does fix.
- 11:21Because Bitcoin is a deflationary currency, meaning
- 11:24it's purchasing power increases over time and all of a sudden
- 11:28saving for the future isn't so daunting.
- 11:31It is extremely daunting saving for the future if your savings
- 11:36are losing purchasing power over time.
- 11:38But the exact opposite happens in Bitcoin and I'll pull up some
- 11:41tweets and also the website price in Bitcoin, which is a
- 11:44great resource. But if you were saving in
- 11:47Bitcoin, which is what we recommend on simply Bitcoin
- 11:50dollar cost average, stay humble, stack sats, and be king
- 11:54goes stay solvent. Check out how life gets actually
- 11:59cheaper over time. It's not about reaching those
- 12:02higher numbers. Instead of, oh, I hope I want to
- 12:04get to 1,000,000 U.S. dollars. No, now it's 3,000,000.
- 12:08Now it's 5 million. That's completely absurd.
- 12:11The vast majority of people have apps.
- 12:13There's an on a normal wage there's it's almost impossible
- 12:17to reach those numbers. But bit in Bitcoin, it tells a
- 12:19different story. Here is Jake Josten who says a
- 12:22lot of people are talking about a housing bubble and this is
- 12:25this is true. Like if you lived in a big city
- 12:28in the last 2-3 years alone since you know the Fed turned on
- 12:32the money printers because of the pandemic.
- 12:34Housing prices have increased like to like 200% especially in
- 12:38the big cities like housing has become unaffordable for most
- 12:41people. However, if you're saving in
- 12:43Bitcoin it tells a very very different story.
- 12:46Check this out Why are homes getting so cheap US medium Home
- 12:50Price in Bitcoin In 2012 one home an average US home would
- 12:54have cost you 43,000 Bitcoin. In 2013 nineteen thousand
- 12:59Bitcoin and 2014 340 Bitcoin 2015 920 Bitcoin 2016 697
- 13:07Bitcoin 2017 306 Bitcoin 20/18/18 Bitcoin 20/19/78
- 13:13Bitcoin 202044 Bitcoin 20/21/12 Bitcoin 20229 Bitcoin 202325
- 13:21Bitcoin. August 20, 2316 Bitcoin You guys
- 13:26get the point. I hope you guys get the point
- 13:28now. Saving for retirement on a
- 13:31Bitcoin standard is a whole lot easier.
- 13:33Your life gets significantly cheaper.
- 13:35But it's not only housing, it's basically everything.
- 13:38Check out this website. I absolutely love it.
- 13:42Let's go to commodities, right? So if you've been saving in
- 13:47Bitcoin, everything gets cheaper, right?
- 13:50On a five year scale. On a three-year scale, maybe not
- 13:53on a one year scale due to the volatility, but everything,
- 13:56whether that's crude oil, natural gas, gasoline, propane,
- 13:59eggs, cheese, beef, soybeans, wheat, lumber, milk, orange
- 14:03juice, coffee, cotton, coca, rice, oh, sugar, corn,
- 14:07Everything gets cheaper. Let's check out this.
- 14:10Also, crude oil that's cheaper, gold gets cheaper, the S&P 500
- 14:14gets cheaper, the US dollar gets cheaper.
- 14:17It's awesome. Bitcoin is awesome.
- 14:19Now to cover the original topic of the video, right?
- 14:24How much Bitcoin do you need? So this is kind of like a, you
- 14:29know, this is, this is the section of the numbers segment
- 14:32that I'm going to emphasize is dubious speculation because
- 14:36that's really what it is. But this is a, you know, one of
- 14:40those, I think this was originally written by Luke.
- 14:44He's written some awesome threads on Twitter and we've had
- 14:47him on the show and he's talked about this idea of exponential
- 14:51growth and how human beings have a hard time really understanding
- 14:56exponential growth in things, right.
- 14:59And I think to go back to the original meme, in the very, very
- 15:03beginning, I think people don't understand.
- 15:07The people don't have an understanding of what absolute
- 15:11scarcity is, right? And I think This is why, you
- 15:15know, this meme or this equation is so powerful.
- 15:19It's Infinity. So everything divided by
- 15:2221,000,000, right? You know, we always talk about
- 15:25gold, how gold is scarce, right? No, Gold has an inflation rate
- 15:29every year. And if the price of Bitcoin
- 15:31goes, I'm sorry, the price of gold goes up more gold miners
- 15:35that for the production of gold will increase if the price of
- 15:38Bitcoin goes up, doesn't matter. The production of Bitcoin will
- 15:42stay the same in every roughly every four years that supply
- 15:45gets cut in half, right? So what we're witnessing is
- 15:50absolute scarcity, which is why housing prices continue to get
- 15:53cheaper, which is why everything continues to get cheaper.
- 15:57And on a long time scale, everything will continue to get
- 16:01cheaper. Now the question is how much
- 16:02Bitcoin is enough. Now this is this charts.
- 16:07That was part of an article that our buddy Luke that came on the
- 16:11show put together, right. And maybe it is a bit of opium.
- 16:15Maybe. I don't know.
- 16:16I'll let you guys be the judge. But if you would have told me
- 16:191012 years ago that the price of Bitcoin would be 25,979 when at
- 16:27that time the price of Bitcoin was under a dollar or maybe a
- 16:30couple of dollars, you would have laughed me out of the
- 16:32fucking room. You would have said you're
- 16:34crazy, That is nuts, that that's impossible, right?
- 16:37So 10 years from now, I don't know. 20 years from now, who
- 16:41knows? But I could tell you what the
- 16:43equation is. Everything divided by
- 16:4521,000,000. So anyway, so let's break it
- 16:47down right so it goes it's it says entity rank and it tells
- 16:52you how much Bitcoin per rank. So for mega rich slash nations
- 16:57is the average amount of Bitcoin for them is 140,000 Bitcoin for
- 17:02a mega bill. For a multibillionaire, a small
- 17:05nation, the average Bitcoin per entity is about 8000 Bitcoin.
- 17:10For a billionaire slash mega rich corporation, it's about 120
- 17:13Bitcoin. For a multimillionaire, it's
- 17:16about 10 Bitcoin. For millionaires, it's about .06
- 17:19Bitcoin. For up upper middle class, it's
- 17:22.008 Bitcoin. For middle class, it's .001
- 17:26Bitcoin. For lower middle class, it's
- 17:28.0004 Bitcoin. For lower class it's .0002
- 17:33Bitcoin. And poverty is .000005 Bitcoin.
- 17:38Now you look at this and you're like, there's a bit of opium.
- 17:42There's a bit of dubious speculation, but again, look
- 17:45back in time. Look at how the price of Bitcoin
- 17:47has performed this whole time. And here's this other
- 17:50interesting chart, which I thought was really, really
- 17:52interesting. And it kind of breaks down
- 17:54Bitcoin. The Bitcoin redistribute, sorry,
- 17:57Bitcoin, wealth distribution, right?
- 18:00And it breaks it down in terms of percentages.
- 18:02So to be in the top 10%, you need 1.28 Bitcoin.
- 18:06To be in the top 9%, you need 1.45 Bitcoin.
- 18:09To be in the top 8%, you need 1.95 Bitcoin.
- 18:12To be in the top 7% you need 2.45 Bitcoin to be in the top
- 18:1663.18 to be in the top five, 3.99 to be in the top four, 5.4
- 18:23to be in the top three, 7.44 to be in the top 210.56 to be in
- 18:28the top one you need 15%. To be in the top .1% you need
- 18:3289. To be in the .031% you need 215.
- 18:37To be in the .01% you need 433. To be in the .003 you need 2189
- 18:44and to be in the .001% you need 7021 Bitcoin.
- 18:49So lot of information that I covered.
- 18:53But anyways I hope you guys found it useful.
- 18:56I hope you guys found it, you know, inspiring, hopeful, but
- 19:02also at the same time I hope it lights a fire up your ass to
- 19:05stack as much as you humanly can, especially at these prices.
- 19:09Because I think next having you know, people are predicting
- 19:13anywhere between 100 to 250 K you know blow off top.
- 19:17I think having one Bitcoin is going to be out of, out of the
- 19:20hands of reach of the vast majority of people, right.
- 19:24So I think the fact that if you get yourself one Bitcoin, you're
- 19:28going to be in a privilege, you're going to be in an elite
- 19:30few, a privileged few, right? You're going to be 1 of 21
- 19:33million people that has the capability of having one
- 19:36Bitcoin. And then one more stat before I
- 19:38pass it on to these gentlemen is the amount there is 50.
- 19:43There's estimated to be between 56 to 61,000,000 millionaires
- 19:47all around the world. And if every single one of them
- 19:50wanted one Bitcoin, they physically could not have one,
- 19:53right? Just to kind of breakdown how
- 19:55bullish this is, what absolute scarcity is, we have a hard time
- 19:59wrapping around wrapping our heads around that, but so far
- 20:03Bitcoin has been the best performing asset of all time.
- 20:07Right. And it's only been around, you
- 20:08know, less than two, less than two decades.
- 20:11I can't even imagine what these next decades are going to show.
- 20:14So anyways, I'm going to cool it down a little bit because I know
- 20:17OPTI would just add more fuel to the opium that we're starting
- 20:20Monday off with. So I'm going to pass it on to
- 20:22these two gentlemen. Chris, what are your thoughts
- 20:24and everything that I just broke down on some of the numbers?
- 20:27Is it too, is it too bullish, is it too bearish?
- 20:31What are your thoughts on on on what we covered today?
- 20:34It's I'm I'm I'm bullish on Bitcoin.
- 20:37I everything you said I agree with I I've been orange pilled
- 20:41since 2013 okay and and to your point dual ports trying to or or
- 20:47set the system up to where everybody can have access to the
- 20:50Bitcoin and the blockchain. There's so much more to what
- 20:53we're doing than just getting bitcoins.
- 20:55And the other point is the having so bitcoins, we know that
- 20:59the price is going to go up. I mean it's just it's
- 21:01inconceivable that will go down. So I want everybody out there if
- 21:05you can get a dual cube system put in your house before the
- 21:09having it's you know it's mining 6.25 bitcoins right now.
- 21:13So jump on that bandwagon as soon as you can.
- 21:15Like you say in April it's going to change to 3.125 which is
- 21:18going to be less but they'll be you know the price will be
- 21:21higher. So my point is if to to your
- 21:25point, get as many bitcoins as you can.
- 21:27If you have a dual cube system, it's going to help you.
- 21:29It's going to help you get there, Derek.
- 21:32Hey, so the the big thing that I want to touch on that, Nico
- 21:36said. With with the price of Bitcoin
- 21:39going up and one of the one of the things that's becoming
- 21:43harder and harder for people to be able to retire on or
- 21:47especially up here, we've got a huge housing crisis right now.
- 21:51A lot of a lot of Gen. ZA, lot of millennials have
- 21:54given up on even owning a home. What that's meant is that it's
- 21:58it's common practice, whether it's here or in in the US, that
- 22:02you need a side hustle, you need something else that's able to
- 22:05supplement that income. And one of the actually greatest
- 22:09messages that I think that simply Bitcoin consistently says
- 22:13is stay humble. You know, make sure that you're
- 22:16continually working that side hustle.
- 22:18As as your Bitcoin side hustle, it is not get rich quick.
- 22:22This is a medium, a longterm plan.
- 22:26And Bitcoin provides that freedom for it in order to be
- 22:30able to actually control how you're going to manage your
- 22:33retirement, how you're going to manage your property ownership,
- 22:36how you're going to manage your life.
- 22:37So that's, I think that quantifying that down into into
- 22:42those stats, that's that's really what makes sense to the
- 22:45world here 100%. So again, I'm going to emphasize
- 22:49dubious speculation. Chris, how much Bitcoin does the
- 22:53average person need to retire? That's a tough question.
- 22:59You know, I I would say at the at the minimum if you could do
- 23:03it between 5:00 and 8:00 because you know if the price
- 23:09continually goes up and it's a reasonable target like you know
- 23:13getting 50 bitcoins, I don't think is, is is a reasonable
- 23:16target. So what can you actually do and
- 23:17how would you do it? One of our clients that we just
- 23:20were signing up right now, he's putting in one of the larger
- 23:23tanks that we have 8. He's going all in.
- 23:26He wants it, right. So I mean there, maybe you could
- 23:29speak to the numbers. If you have one of our systems
- 23:31and you're running for minors, you could probably get a whole
- 23:34Bitcoin in a couple of years, right?
- 23:36Yeah, it'd be too. Maybe.
- 23:38Maybe closer to three years, but.
- 23:41A whole Bitcoin? It gets, it gets significant as
- 23:45you as you get up there. I think really the the question
- 23:48is what stage of the game are you in?
- 23:51Are you looking to retire at 30 or 40?
- 23:54Are you looking to retire at 80? I mean, I I I'm one of those
- 23:59people that's going to keep working and you know, I'm I'm
- 24:02still playing rugby and I'm way too old for, for that young
- 24:06man's game which I get informed of every week.
- 24:08So I'm going to be working till till I I can't.
- 24:13Not because I have to, but because I want to you know I I
- 24:16want to stay busy. So you know when when you ask
- 24:19how much are you how much Bitcoin are, you need to retire.
- 24:22I I think Chris you're you're a little pessimistic there.
- 24:26I would say if you had two or three by, by the time you're
- 24:29ready to retire, you'll you'll be pretty set for life.
- 24:33Woof. I like that.
- 24:34I like that bullishness. By the way, guys, I did drop it
- 24:36in the YouTube chat. I dropped the poll.
- 24:39Please make sure to vote and we'll go through the results at
- 24:42the end of the show. Opti, what's your take?
- 24:44How much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
- 24:47And then? Yeah, first and foremost.
- 24:49It's going up forever. So you guys are not bullish
- 24:52enough? No, but let's go back.
- 24:54Let's go back a little bit. You can ask me again.
- 24:58No, but that story, I saw that this weekend and it was kind of
- 25:02on my mind all weekend. You know as a millennial and a
- 25:05zoomer, how like the meme of being a millionaire.
- 25:09It it doesn't it's not even up to date anymore And how 5 to $10
- 25:12million is the new millionaire. And obviously as we talk about
- 25:16constantly on the show, like this is inflation.
- 25:18This is the the silent theft of inflation.
- 25:20And this is. Directly correlated to the
- 25:24amount of money that's been printed.
- 25:25Guys like we got to continue to double down on that message
- 25:28because still so few people understand how the money
- 25:31mechanics is working and I'm going to relate a few stories
- 25:35like wine and kiss some odd boy wine because you guys know wine.
- 25:38I picked him up this weekend he's at my house and he was said
- 25:40he was hanging out with his normie friends this weekend and
- 25:44they are just completely oblivious to inflation and
- 25:47what's going on in the world and and like this is where we are.
- 25:49This again, This is why I say we're.
- 25:51We're so so bearish right now because so few people understand
- 25:55Bitcoin and as more people wake up to what is actually happening
- 25:59again the exponentials here is going to go absolutely nuclear.
- 26:03And and and again let me double down on this like I I'm kind of
- 26:08convinced that retirement is a scam.
- 26:10Personally I I think working keeps you sharp.
- 26:12I I think that you should want to continue to work for as long
- 26:16as possible, like staying on your purpose.
- 26:18Is what's going to keep you living a long, fruitful life.
- 26:21And so I'm not really looking to retire.
- 26:23But obviously the idea of having a comfortable savings I'm a fan
- 26:28of. And it's just absolutely insane
- 26:30that you need $10 million right now to like have a comfortable
- 26:34savings to be able to live a good life in the world that we
- 26:37live in. The current moment, you know,
- 26:39I'm nowhere close to that yet. But hey, This is why we work
- 26:42hard every single day to try to continue to stay humble.
- 26:44Stacks that stay solving all the things we tell you guys.
- 26:47And you know, I'm just absolutely wrecked.
- 26:49But hey, that's a totally other other game here and shouts out
- 26:52to the politicians that have stolen our futures and print
- 26:55more money. Anyways, all right to the
- 26:57question of how much Bitcoin we have.
- 27:00I mean, I don't know, man. Like again, I I am kind of
- 27:02joking on the idea of like you guys are a little bearish, but I
- 27:05think those are like good numbers.
- 27:06I I kind of jump on the idea of like if you can get one coin
- 27:11right now if you guys are new to the game.
- 27:14Just stacking a coin right now in this bear market, crab market
- 27:17that we're in, if you have the means and you're able to hold on
- 27:21to that single coin moving forward, like I think maybe this
- 27:26is just my Hopeium as well is like this is going to be enough
- 27:30to retire moving forward and especially when you give the
- 27:32numbers here. But I think people really,
- 27:35excuse me guys, don't understand exponentials and how few Bitcoin
- 27:39there really is in the world compared to how much money there
- 27:42is in the world. And if Bitcoin is able to soak
- 27:45up a lot of that capital like you guys are, we're all too
- 27:48bearish and we don't understand exponentials.
- 27:50And and again. Talking about exponentials, I
- 27:52was talking to wine this morning.
- 27:53We literally just had this conversation and he was like
- 27:56yeah, I just turned a billion seconds.
- 27:57The other like a little while ago and they're like how long is
- 28:00a billion seconds? It's like it's like 30 something
- 28:02years. I think it's 31 or something.
- 28:04And then we and then we were talking and I'm like like how
- 28:07long is 1,000,000 seconds? And he did the math.
- 28:10So this is wines math. Don't get mad at me but
- 28:12apparently 1,000,000 seconds is like 3 months and a billion
- 28:16seconds is 31 years. So again.
- 28:18Few people understand exponentials that they you can't
- 28:21wrap your head around big numbers and this is the game
- 28:24we're playing guys. So like if you're feeling
- 28:26bearish and you're feeling bad about your stack man I I think
- 28:30you got to wake up to the fact of what the game is going on and
- 28:33and the Bitcoin you hold today as long as you can hold it long
- 28:35term is obviously going to be some good generation of wealth
- 28:39that you can pass on. But for the culture, obviously
- 28:43the right number is you need 6.15 for eternal riches and.
- 28:49But now I mean. I think Mark.
- 28:52Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the mean.
- 28:54But I think the real question here is time span and that's
- 28:57what they're saying in the chat and and Derek touched on it as
- 28:59well. I think it's the like view, like
- 29:03when are you trying to retire? If you're trying to retire
- 29:05tomorrow then obviously you want 10s of Bitcoin Plus, but if you
- 29:10are like me who hopefully has another 60 years of working.
- 29:15I think the the coin that we are owning today is going to be
- 29:19enough to retire. But of course, hey, I'm a greedy
- 29:21bitcoiner and I want as many sets as possible under my
- 29:24control, so never enough Bitcoin to retire.
- 29:27Nico is my final answer because I'm bearish.
- 29:29I'm being bearish today. I love that.
- 29:31I love that. Yeah, I mean it.
- 29:32It it really is dependent on time, right.
- 29:34I, I, I, I completely agree. Are we talking about retiring
- 29:37right now? I would agree it for if you want
- 29:40to retire right now would say probably you know.
- 29:46I don't know. I don't know.
- 29:47Bitcoin. You think so?
- 29:51Yeah. I mean if you wanted to you
- 29:53know, keep going and and be stupidly rich moving forward.
- 29:56But Nico, you just reminded me of the website Satoshi's per
- 29:59person again. You know, 8 billion people
- 30:02divided by 21,000,000. The quote UN quote fair share is
- 30:06what, 240,000 Sats right now? So like.
- 30:11Again, I I just think we're so bearish because we don't
- 30:13understand exponentials and big numbers.
- 30:15So, like, just keep stacking. All right, So I'm going to end
- 30:18the poll before we move on. We're going to switch it up
- 30:21today off day. We're going to go with the
- 30:22culture before the news, but I'm going to end the poll and the
- 30:26poll says, the audience says we had 97 votes.
- 30:31And I said how much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
- 30:3530% of you said, 525% of you said, 125% of you said 10, and
- 30:4317% of you said .1. So it looks like 5 is what the
- 30:48crowd is saying. That's how much Bitcoin you'll
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- 32:28What are we talking about today, brother?
- 32:30Of course. Well, we're talking about what
- 32:32these gentlemen are working on. So I like to just give our
- 32:36guests the floor. I don't know if it's Derek or
- 32:40Chris who wants to rehash on what the ideas, but what is
- 32:43Jewel Port? What are you guys working on?
- 32:46Maybe I will first, Derek. So yeah, we what we want to do
- 32:49is we want to decentralize and Bitcoin and bring mining back
- 32:52home because I, I, I want everybody.
- 32:55Derek and I are both. We want to be responsible people
- 33:00in the community and we want to give back.
- 33:03So we created this product so that anybody can get into the
- 33:06game and start mining big gun at their home.
- 33:08We set it up so that because you're going to pay your
- 33:11electrical bill, it's going to heat your house for free and
- 33:13there's going to be money left over.
- 33:15We're suggesting that people pay their electrical bill themselves
- 33:19if they can afford it and keep as many Bitcoin as they possibly
- 33:22can. Once you've got that system in
- 33:24your house, then you're in the game and you know you can keep
- 33:27going. Once again, it's a longterm
- 33:29thing. Our company is going to
- 33:31continually innovate and make our Bitcoin mining machines
- 33:36faster, better everything or and then there's going to be other
- 33:40opportunities for financial companies to come in and.
- 33:43You know, there's going to be maybe you can lend out your
- 33:46bitcoins, make more money that way, so long as you don't get
- 33:49scammed. We believe in custody that you
- 33:51own, you keep your bitcoins in your own wallet with your
- 33:54titanium. All of that stuff can can help
- 33:58people out in the future. So we're here to help, and we
- 34:01want everybody to jump on the Bitcoin bandwagon.
- 34:04Love it. Couldn't agree more.
- 34:06Couldn't agree more. All right.
- 34:08Derek, do you want to touch in or we can jump in on your guys's
- 34:11flagship model right now? Sure.
- 34:13You know what That that's actually what I'd like to touch
- 34:16in about the idea behind the Jewel Cube Mini is that it goes
- 34:22in your home. It's able to go into your
- 34:25already existing mechanical room and then tie in to your home
- 34:29heating system, whether it's radiant heating, if you have in
- 34:33floor heating or if you have forced air.
- 34:37Because we we're using immersion technology in order to cool the
- 34:41miners. You don't need to worry about
- 34:43having proper ventilation for the miners itself.
- 34:46You don't need to worry about noise, if anyone who was like me
- 34:50who was running an ASIC out of the garage back back a few years
- 34:54ago. You probably got the Honestly,
- 34:58even if you were running an ASIC in your garage, you probably got
- 35:01a complaint from my lady because she she got annoyed that
- 35:04everybody who is doing it by by the end of probably the last
- 35:09cycle we had about three or four homes on my block that you can
- 35:13tell they were minding at home because the garage doors were
- 35:16open just a little bit and you could hear that the fans running
- 35:20from their ASICS. What's nice about this is
- 35:22because it's immersion cooled mining, it stays in the cube.
- 35:27It goes through a indirect hot water tank, which means that the
- 35:31process water heats up your domestic hot water tank and then
- 35:35cycles through to either a heat exchanger in your forced air
- 35:38system, through your in floor heating, through your ratings
- 35:41heating in order to lower those utility bills.
- 35:46It's it's great for being able to provide a lower carbon
- 35:50footprint, which I which I'm always considering, and being
- 35:55able to have a way to start minding your own Bitcoin.
- 35:59Love it. So if you don't mind me asking
- 36:02what what ASICS are using like how what's the actual technicals
- 36:06on on how this works like with the Bitcoin ASIC machines that
- 36:10that you guys have chose? So primarily we've been using
- 36:14the bit main S19XP's. Couple reasons for that.
- 36:18It gives you the most efficient Tera hash per electricity being
- 36:23used, which means once we get to the next halving, you're still
- 36:27going to, you're still going to be in a good place.
- 36:30One of the big things that we also like about it is that the
- 36:34XP's have been very adaptive towards overclocking software as
- 36:39well as adaptive software. So depending on what our clients
- 36:43are using, if they want to be able to tone down the amount of
- 36:48hash rate they're putting out, lower the amount of electricity
- 36:51that they're using. This is really important in
- 36:54areas like I believe Ontario, I know a lot of states.
- 36:59Have adjusted electricity rates depending on the time of day.
- 37:04So overnight you're looking at 3-4 cents per kWh, but in those
- 37:10high times of usage you're looking at 1516, even $0.17 per
- 37:15kWh. So having the software available
- 37:18that's able to throttle it, whether it's whether it's
- 37:22maximizing the amount of tear hash that you're getting or
- 37:26having the most efficient system, or depending on your
- 37:29knee. If you're in the middle of
- 37:31winter, you need to start generating more terror house
- 37:35generating more heat, then you're able to have that in
- 37:38place. Interesting Okay.
- 37:40So I'm seeing on this website if they get a Joule Cube mini this
- 37:45looks like a different one. Do they just get this box here
- 37:49they you come in and you install this whole system for them?
- 37:52So we actually work with local hydraulic contractors.
- 37:56So my background actually was in civil Water Works and I was
- 38:00building my own minors at home, starting off with the GPU rigs
- 38:04and then playing around with ASICS.
- 38:06One of the big things that we do is we work with local plumbing
- 38:10contractors, we work with local electricians.
- 38:13We do this for two reasons. Number one, we're not going to
- 38:16travel all around the world to install the machine in your
- 38:20house. There are local experts that are
- 38:23going to be able to do that a whole lot better because the
- 38:27jewel cube system works very similar to boilers that are
- 38:31already being used in hydronic heating systems.
- 38:34So what we do is get a local hydronic plumber.
- 38:38They'll be bonded within your within your area, so that's
- 38:42especially important when it comes to insurance.
- 38:44And they're able to install those systems in there.
- 38:47What we do is we provide the project management.
- 38:50We make sure that they have the right materials and are able to
- 38:55work with their local distribution in order to make
- 38:58sure that they're getting the right products in order to put
- 39:00these in place. So if you if you take a look at
- 39:03the system as a whole there, you'll see that it has that
- 39:06indirect hot water tank as well as that liquid to air heat
- 39:11exchanger that would be ideal for a forced air system and we'd
- 39:15work with the contractors to make sure that it goes in
- 39:17correctly. So each house may have its
- 39:20specific metrics that you need. You might not have a force their
- 39:23system to do radiant, so you don't need one of the pieces.
- 39:25So, you know, it's it's pretty cookie cutter, but we look at
- 39:29everybody's house a little bit differently.
- 39:31And then the cube is the main thing and then it sends heat to
- 39:34the indirect hot water tank. You don't have to take out your
- 39:37other hot water tank. The extraction found on the
- 39:39other side is if there is extra heat that you don't need, it
- 39:43takes it outside and so it's a pretty easy system.
- 39:47Interesting. Interesting.
- 39:48Well, Nico, you're the inhouse miner or the old inhouse miner?
- 39:51What's your thoughts on everything?
- 39:52You got some questions? Yeah.
- 39:54So when I so back in the day, back in 2016, I was making holes
- 40:01on the side of my side of my house at the time to just vent
- 40:06out the exhaust heat from these bad boys.
- 40:08At the time, it was like, what was it as the S 9 was the
- 40:12workforce. It was the IT was the big bad
- 40:14boy. I I was doing the same thing.
- 40:18So, but, but yeah, they were loud.
- 40:22You can hear them. You know, we put them in like
- 40:26the garage that was a bedroom, but we converted it into the
- 40:29mining room. But you could still hear it from
- 40:31the living room. I I would, I would call it the
- 40:34sound of freedom, but but you know, it's interesting because
- 40:38we're where where, you know in colder places.
- 40:44Do you put 1 S 9 in a room and that room's gonna get hot?
- 40:48Like it's gonna get real, real hot.
- 40:50So I'm really interested to hear about how you guys manage to
- 40:54pull off the, the noise like so it's still you know, I'm
- 41:00assuming it's an ASIC, right? Yeah.
- 41:02Yeah. It's immersion.
- 41:03So we use what's called the dielectric fluid, and the tank
- 41:06has this dielectric fluid, so it's nonconductive.
- 41:09And you just put it in there. There's no noise.
- 41:12It's quiet. Yeah, there's more noise and it
- 41:15just works with there's a pump in the back, you can barely hear
- 41:18it, right, Derek, we had it set up and that's right.
- 41:20This is then there is no noise. So we fixed that.
- 41:23It actually uses the same sort of technology.
- 41:26I know I've mentioned hydronic heating before.
- 41:29It uses the same idea as either a boiler system or a heat pump
- 41:36where it pumps through the system, your heating system of
- 41:39your home and then through that dry cooler which would sit
- 41:43outside which works exactly like a mini split dry fan that's
- 41:47currently being used in in hydronic and heat pump
- 41:51installations. So that's that's where you're
- 41:54able to get that very, very low noise.
- 41:59And anyone that's got their air conditioner system, their mini
- 42:02split outside of their home, they'll they'll be very familiar
- 42:05with the same type of system that we've got here.
- 42:08That man that that's, that's really, really cool.
- 42:10And then you. Yeah, there we go.
- 42:12Thanks Opti, for pulling that up.
- 42:13OK. Interesting, interesting.
- 42:18OK. So you were taught compared to,
- 42:21let's say you wanted to heat your home traditionally, you
- 42:24know, is this more expensive to install?
- 42:27And then it, you know, and then over time it starts to become
- 42:31cheaper because you made an investment.
- 42:33How does this compare to heating your home traditionally?
- 42:37So if you don't mind there, there are two really good things
- 42:41about this. We've got our mini system which
- 42:44is designed to go into either a new home or into a into a place
- 42:51that is redoing their heating system.
- 42:53We also have our dual cube rentals and what that's designed
- 42:57to do is actually supplement your current heating system.
- 43:00So if you've got a hot water tank that needs to get replaced,
- 43:06the indirect hot water tank is able to do so.
- 43:08If you've got a forced air system, what we would use as the
- 43:13the hydronic loop in that air to water heat exchanger in order to
- 43:18supplement your furnace. So this doesn't replace your
- 43:23current home heating system, this this adds to it.
- 43:27So that's that's one of the things that makes this system
- 43:29unique. We're not asking to rebuild your
- 43:32home, we're asking to make your home better.
- 43:35Interesting. And the price we want to get, So
- 43:38what we're trying to do is we're we're going to keep it about to
- 43:4015,000, which is in line with say heat pumps or any other
- 43:43systems. But the difference with this is
- 43:45that you're making money with our system.
- 43:47A heat pump doesn't make money, it's just the money drained.
- 43:50So we're moving from things that cost you money to something that
- 43:54makes you money. So 15,000 and then you're going
- 43:57to add your minors, You can pick your minors.
- 43:58We left that open because some people, there's different
- 44:01situations where people want more or less heat.
- 44:04Like I said, one of our customers just loves it.
- 44:05He's going to put in eight and he's going to.
- 44:07He's lives up in Ontario where it's cold and he's going to run
- 44:10these guys. He's got a pool to heat up.
- 44:12He's got a hot tub. His house is big.
- 44:14He's going for it and he's really happy about what's what's
- 44:17going to happen. And it's even though his price
- 44:20point is going to be above that, he's going to be making Bitcoin
- 44:23right away, and he's bullish on it.
- 44:25That's awesome. Yeah.
- 44:26And it kind of kills two birds with one stone, right?
- 44:29No, no, we should keep that question up, Opti.
- 44:31We'll get. Yeah, yeah.
- 44:31I'll pull it up. So it kind of kills two birds
- 44:34with one stone, right? You're using the excess heat off
- 44:38these ASICS, right, That are making you money in the process,
- 44:41making you Bitcoin, and then you're using that to also heat
- 44:45your home, right? Which is just absolutely
- 44:47beautiful. It's something unique to Bitcoin
- 44:49also, right? You could make the argument,
- 44:52yeah, other proof of word coins. Yeah, but that's bullshit.
- 44:56Anyways, could you pull up that question from Big Sean?
- 45:00Shout out Big Sean. Basketball is life.
- 45:03Bitcoin is basketball. How often does the dear, I can't
- 45:07say that word fluid have to be replaced slash renewed.
- 45:11So that depends on what climate you're in.
- 45:15But first, could you could you say that word cuz I couldn't say
- 45:17it the electric dielectric. Dielectric.
- 45:22Dielectric. OK, interesting.
- 45:24What? What is dielectric fluid?
- 45:25For anyone who doesn't know, so dielectric fluid is think of
- 45:29mineral oil or another fluid that's non conductive.
- 45:33So what that means is that it's, it's what gets used for
- 45:37immersion cooling in systems where you're able to put your
- 45:41minor in that liquid and then it's and then it won't short out
- 45:47your machines. So obviously if you dumped your
- 45:50minor in in water, just like if you did with your toaster, that
- 45:55minor is not going to work. Again, when you have it in a
- 45:58dielectric fluid, it's able to cycle through heat exchanger,
- 46:03cool off the minor and keep the minor working.
- 46:06And that's important to and to answer the question, I would say
- 46:09maybe every 10 years. And it depends on how like if
- 46:13you put dirty machines in there, like you want your machines
- 46:15clean before you put them in. But yeah, I would say not even
- 46:19up to 10 years. It doesn't really have a life
- 46:21cycle and we're not that far out.
- 46:24I mean lots of the big data centers, they just leave the
- 46:27dielectric fluid in forever. It doesn't really have.
- 46:30It doesn't deteriorate. It's in a contained in a
- 46:33contained. Container, so dust can't get in,
- 46:38There's no, you know, nothing can change it.
- 46:42And the other thing about the dielectric fluid is that we can
- 46:44control the heat. So the miners are running at an
- 46:46optimum tension, optimum temperature and that allows them
- 46:50to, we can overclock them, they last longer, they stay cleaner.
- 46:54It's just a really great system and they use it in big data
- 46:56centers all the time anyway. Very.
- 46:59Very cool. Okay, one last question before
- 47:01we move on. We're.
- 47:01Not trying to run out of time. We're not moving on.
- 47:03We're just doing numbers, culture and then we're gonna go
- 47:07to memes, to. End Okay.
- 47:09All right. All right.
- 47:09Well, I have a question. There were some questions about
- 47:12maybe doing this in Germany. Are you guys just in Canada?
- 47:15Like what are you guys trying to expand?
- 47:17Like, what's the deal here? Yeah, so we're the R&D, the
- 47:20research both there and Derek and our Canadian and we the the
- 47:23original research and development done by myself and
- 47:25then Derek and I got on on working together.
- 47:28But our expansion plan is down into United States and if you
- 47:31look at our website we've got a really great guy down there.
- 47:34His name is Maury Rubin and he's just a a great guy that knows
- 47:38how to start and run companies, bigger companies, I.
- 47:43I'm not. I'm not down in the US So he
- 47:45he's our partner down there and that's going to be our biggest
- 47:49market. We we like Canada of course
- 47:50we're going to sell them up here.
- 47:52But we're already in the process of setting up a US corporation
- 47:55with Maury, and we're soon going to be able to offer the Mini
- 48:01Mine series and the Mac the Zoo Cube.
- 48:04Sorry Ju Cube series to America to to you guys down in the US
- 48:10very soon. Because we're we're we, we don't
- 48:13want anybody to miss the 6.25 and get your stuff in before the
- 48:17halving. That's kind of what we're
- 48:18pushing for. So the sooner you get your stuff
- 48:20up and running, the more Sats you're going to be able to
- 48:23stack. OK, so if if someone is
- 48:27interested in this and they live in a cold part of the world,
- 48:29right, you know, live in Canada or like North North America, you
- 48:34know the northern states, they have harsh winters or you live
- 48:37in Colorado and whatnot. How?
- 48:40What's the process of getting this installed?
- 48:42Do you need, does a tech go out there?
- 48:45Does it do it yourself? What is it?
- 48:48You know, what's the process of doing this?
- 48:50And then also, how much does it cost?
- 48:53I know there's a Max version and then there's the What are the
- 48:56two products that you guys offer?
- 49:00Okay. So you go to our website and
- 49:03there's a form where you fill out and you go, hey, I'm
- 49:06interested in a Joule cube. And so then we get that
- 49:09information, we'll connect with you.
- 49:11Each house is slightly different.
- 49:12So depending on the size of the house, we'll recommend what you
- 49:14want to when you get in there. And then basically Derek and
- 49:17I've got it set up, we put the package together, we we deliver
- 49:20it to you, gets on your front door.
- 49:23At the same time, there's a plumber and electrician that
- 49:25we've got ready for you and they go into the house and they.
- 49:29You know, we we've got pictures of your basement.
- 49:31We know where everything's going to go and simply they install
- 49:35it. Derek and I will be the guys at
- 49:36the very beginning who will oversee everything to make sure
- 49:38there's no issues. And for the price point, like I
- 49:41said, we're trying to keep the Jew Jew Cube miniseries, about
- 49:4515,000 and there are also ways to finance it.
- 49:50You can do a HELOC, which is a home equity loan, or there's
- 49:53other financing options so you don't have to put all the money
- 49:55up up front. And then the miners on top of
- 49:57that, if you buy the XP's, they're pretty expensive.
- 50:00I think they're what, 3200 right now, Derek.
- 50:03So you're talking, you know, $22,000 price point to get in.
- 50:07But like I say, once you plug that in, you're making bitcoins
- 50:11and you're making money and your electrical costs are going to be
- 50:14paid and there's money left over at the end of the month.
- 50:17So it's a it's pretty sweet system.
- 50:20Yeah. So and one of the parts about
- 50:22it, we do work with local contractors.
- 50:25So the idea is even though this is going in your home, we
- 50:29actually say don't try this at home, right, Because you know I
- 50:33I'm sure Nico, you mentioned that you did a lot of mining at
- 50:36home. I did as well and I I certainly
- 50:40made a lot of mistakes as as we started out, I know a lot of
- 50:43people who who have done minors at their home that did their own
- 50:47DIY project and it turned out to not work out very well for them.
- 50:52That's the big reason why with this being a hydronic system, we
- 50:56work with local contractors who are professionally bonded.
- 51:00So that's that's one of the biggest things about that.
- 51:03On the electrical side, again we work with local electrical
- 51:06contractors who are bonded and one of the big things when you
- 51:10fill out our form that you're looking for a jewel cube in your
- 51:15in your home, we'll coordinate with you in project management.
- 51:19That and then what we will do is actually audition the
- 51:22contractors in your area who are able to perform that work.
- 51:26And that's, that's more than anything is to make sure that
- 51:30you're getting not just the right equipment and the right
- 51:33process, but the right installation in order to make
- 51:36sure that this works. And then there's a website too.
- 51:39There's the educational component.
- 51:41Lots of people don't know that much about bitcoins, so we help
- 51:43them set up a wallet. There's a variety of products
- 51:47out there of really good guys, like a coin kite where you can
- 51:50get a card, just a card. You don't even have to deal with
- 51:52bitcoins. We want people to take custody
- 51:55of their bitcoins so they're not putting up on an FTX exchange
- 51:58and getting ripped off. So you know, we provide that
- 52:00educational process there too. One of the other things that we
- 52:03do is we can scale this so we also have the Geo cube Max
- 52:07series. And so that can go for like
- 52:09greenhouses, industrial buildings, hotels, anything with
- 52:14large swimming pools. And in just instead of like
- 52:16these tanks with four or eight miners in there, we have larger
- 52:20ones that have 24 or 48 and we can produce up to 800,000 BTU
- 52:25and heat a whole hotel and make money and lower the carbon
- 52:29footprint just like you would for a house.
- 52:30So it's very scalable. The other thing about the the
- 52:34Jewel Cube series is what I would like to see is the more
- 52:37people that are on board like just say you had 10,000 houses
- 52:40and everybody was mining, you could have your own pool.
- 52:44We will we will collectively become stronger and stronger as
- 52:47a group. If you can imagine 100,000
- 52:50people say in North America that had a jewel cube installed in
- 52:53their house and they were running 400 Terra hash, that's a
- 52:56pretty big chunk you know that of of people that would be the
- 53:00benefiting from Bitcoin. Yeah.
- 53:02And it's decentralized hash rate.
- 53:04Now, one of the things that I ran into when I was mining at
- 53:08home was the actual electrical capacity of my home, right?
- 53:13So do you need to make any changes to that specifically?
- 53:17Yeah, you do. And actually I think that
- 53:19someone had a question in your chat.
- 53:23What's needed in there? Usually for for typical Mini you
- 53:28do need 220 amp outlets. It is at 240 volts.
- 53:32Chances are if it's in a normal home, you're probably going to
- 53:36need your electrician to come in and do an upgrade on there.
- 53:39That's something that again we we make sure that we work with
- 53:43local bonded contractors in order to ensure that's that's
- 53:46done properly. It's not that big of a deal.
- 53:48I want everybody to understand that he's going to put in two or
- 53:51three or four different Breakers with slightly more amperes, like
- 53:5425 amps. So it's not a big deal and he's
- 53:56just going to bring the power to wherever the dual cubes going to
- 53:59be. So not a big deal.
- 54:02Gotcha. Interesting.
- 54:03Well, man, you guys are really contributing to the
- 54:07decentralization of the Bitcoin network, and that's awesome.
- 54:10And also people are able to not freeze to death and make some
- 54:13sats along the way, so that's pretty cool.
- 54:17And if you guys want to check out their website Opti, could
- 54:20you pull it up please? The website?
- 54:23Yeah. One second.
- 54:24And actually I want to quickly answer one other question I saw
- 54:26on there about minor interchangeability.
- 54:30Like I said, we've been talking about the Ant minors that we're
- 54:32using now. We've used What's minors as
- 54:35well. We've used actually we we stuck
- 54:40so far with the minors and the What's minors at this point.
- 54:44However, one of the nice things about this system is that it is
- 54:48designed not for particular minors but to be able to hold as
- 54:54many types of minors as possible.
- 54:56So as as we scale up, as more minors become available, what
- 55:01we're going to make sure is that we have the specific immersion
- 55:04tanks available for any type of minors that that our clients
- 55:08will be. Very, very cool.
- 55:10All right, guys. We're one last comment is, I
- 55:13just want to mention that we're green, right?
- 55:15The more we can move people off fossil fuels, which is what the
- 55:18what the governments want everybody to do.
- 55:20We're helping out with that movement too.
- 55:22So we're using more electricity, but we're lowering your carbon
- 55:25footprint. Awesome.
- 55:26Very, very, very cool. All right, everybody.
- 55:29Before we move on to the meme section, I want to give a shout
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- 56:47All right, everybody, let's review some memes.
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- 57:18Kaboom Rax. All right guys, you already know
- 57:21the deal. This is the meme review where
- 57:23you guys tag us on Twitter, simply Bitcoin TV or my personal
- 57:26account optimist field and I will bring your memes on the
- 57:31show. Also you can drop them in our
- 57:32telegram group T dot me slash simply Bitcoin.
- 57:35And again I look in there and find the memes but give me the
- 57:38tweets. I want to give you guys credit.
- 57:39So anyways, tweets are the bullets, memes are the artillery
- 57:43continue to spread the signal. Continue to get the calls of
- 57:46actions out there. Anyways, this 1st meme is by a
- 57:49friend of the show at Cher Force under score BTC.
- 57:52It's a very simple meme, but I think it's a very powerful meme,
- 57:55especially to everyone out there wondering how much Bitcoin they
- 57:57should own. This is what you need to do
- 58:00anyways, Chair Force. There's a little arrow that's
- 58:02pointing to his avatar or his Twitter account.
- 58:04It goes, this person won't be selling their Bitcoin to
- 58:07BlackRock. And then there's another arrow
- 58:09pointing down to the comments section.
- 58:10It goes and neither will these people shouts at the Chair
- 58:14Force. OK, this next name is by Lena
- 58:16Seashain. She goes monetary policy.
- 58:19And it's a little Hottler comic, obviously.
- 58:21And it goes, it's time to plan our monetary policies for the
- 58:24coming months. And we got Bitcoin logo here.
- 58:27You know the little Hottler Bitcoin he's just chilling at.
- 58:29The beach drinking a Margarita or Mai Tai and it goes same old
- 58:33monetary policy. The block reward is 6.25 BTC
- 58:36until next having which is at block height 840,000.
- 58:40And then we got the US dollar down here.
- 58:42How about the US dollar? What is their monetary policy?
- 58:44And look at the craziness of quantitative easing and all the
- 58:48different mathematical mental gymnastics and the burring going
- 58:51on, and the inflation relief packages and the interest rates.
- 58:56And it's the dollar. Just saying I I don't.
- 58:59I don't know what the monetary policy is going to be.
- 59:01Imagine not knowing your monetary policy just couldn't be
- 59:04me. Can't relate.
- 59:05Anyways this next one you you guys know how I love the zoomer.
- 59:08Zoomer memes where they make anything that is relevant and
- 59:12current and then they made make the zoomer twist on it.
- 59:14Well, we played you guys the song last week of the What's it
- 59:18N What's it? What's the song?
- 59:21Richmond north of Richmond. OK and this is Rothmus and we
- 59:24got a picture of the guy, Oliver Anthony, the the artists
- 59:29singing. But it's got the zoomer twist
- 59:31for you zoomers out there and it goes dead ass because your
- 59:34dollar is mid, no cap and taxes are big.
- 59:36Yikes. Sorry.
- 59:39This one I like. That's the ones that make make
- 59:41me laugh And he goes sorry. Anyways, this next one is Maxi's
- 59:43club and I saw this one. Obviously Maxi's Club is killing
- 59:48it, but it's really reminded me and it's a real throwback to
- 59:51American Huddle Story. I'm sure you guys have heard it
- 59:54and we even brought up 6.15 on today's show.
- 59:56So if you know, you know. Anyways, we got a family of
- 59:59bitcoiners. You know we got you the Bitcoin
- 1:00:01Chad with his wife and two kids, and it goes when you sold a
- 1:00:06family car to buy more bitcoins and you're driving your whole
- 1:00:09family on a scooter. This is what everyone is doing
- 1:00:12right now to try to get as much Bitcoin as possible.
- 1:00:16OK, next meme is by having Party MF on Twitter, and it's the
- 1:00:19classic Lisa Simpson's meme where she's got the white board
- 1:00:24and she's yelling at everyone in the audience.
- 1:00:26And it goes. There are people who are afraid
- 1:00:28to buy the dip at 2026 K but still think they'd have bought
- 1:00:32Bitcoin at $10 in 2011. Guys, this is the best time to
- 1:00:36be buying Bitcoin. I know we all wish we were
- 1:00:37buying Bitcoin when it was cheaper but by today when blood
- 1:00:40is on the streets and I think we're I don't know whatever I
- 1:00:44think we're under 26 right now but who knows whatever just keep
- 1:00:47buying keep buying. This next meme is by the BTC
- 1:00:50therapist and he goes just keep buying Bitcoin.
- 1:00:52Look we're even on sync and it goes the media.
- 1:00:54Bitcoin crashed 10% and then it goes Bitcoin is down 50% already
- 1:00:59and it's a joker walking phoenix as a joker and the Bitcoin
- 1:01:02logger and it goes, I feel nothing.
- 1:01:04I'm still stacking this is the way and I'm actually going hard
- 1:01:07on the joker memes today And we got Bitcoin aider on Twitter and
- 1:01:10you go, the real Bitcoin is laugh all the time And we got
- 1:01:14the joker here hysterically laughing and giving out his
- 1:01:18little card about his laughter. If you've seen the movie you
- 1:01:20know you know the reference and it goes, please forgive my
- 1:01:22laughter but the people are selling the Bitcoin dip.
- 1:01:26Absolutely couldn't be me can't relate.
- 1:01:28What are you doing? Keep stacking Bitcoin.
- 1:01:30This is the way. OK guys drop your meme review
- 1:01:33score over there the other side and we will cover them live.
- 1:01:37OK, my meme review score today is my almost finish Dr.
- 1:01:43Bronner's Lavender Soap. If you know, you know this is
- 1:01:47the best soap in the world. Period.
- 1:01:49All right, Nico, go. I got I got myself two made exes
- 1:01:54over the weekend and they came with stickers, so I'm going to
- 1:01:58be showing those off. What are the What are the art
- 1:02:07pieces? This one is tax is extortion.
- 1:02:01Your government is stealing from you.
- 1:02:02Inflation is theft. Whoo, that's spicy.
- 1:02:08Are those going to be scores later?
- 1:02:10Those are gonna be scores. Those are gonna be scores.
- 1:02:12Doesn't be scores anyways. Derek, what's your mean?
- 1:02:16My meme score. I've got my orange pill energy
- 1:02:19drink for the morning, making sure that I'm staying awake
- 1:02:23throughout the day and keeping productive.
- 1:02:25So it's. I love that.
- 1:02:27Well, I'm glad you clarified because I know Chris asked you,
- 1:02:30but someone asked it in the chat as well as like, wait, you're
- 1:02:33drinking a beer on the show now? It's an energy drink, guys.
- 1:02:35It's an energy drink. I just just kind of flashed up
- 1:02:38and I couldn't see it there for. Second all right?
- 1:02:42I'll have the beer next time, don't worry.
- 1:02:44Okay, here's mine. This is an original Bitcoin that
- 1:02:49I bought in 2015, 2014. I don't remember the guy that
- 1:02:55made it and it was .5 of Bitcoin on the back there and.
- 1:03:02Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:03:02This is a little treasure that I keep on my desk to look at it
- 1:03:05all the time to remind me to stay in the Bitcoin realm.
- 1:03:10Oh, I love that. Absolutely bullish.
- 1:03:12All right, guys, drop your meme scores in the live chat and
- 1:03:14we'll get to some of them first. By Elaine, score the answer, to
- 1:03:19quote. How many?
- 1:03:20As much as you can get. Absolutely, this is the way.
- 1:03:23This is the way. This is how you do it Hammer
- 1:03:26saw. I saw these scores.
- 1:03:27More exit liquidity, LOL. Are you going to be covering
- 1:03:31finance, Nico, the actual liquidity?
- 1:03:34Norwell, Norwell, Tacos. I give the memes my signed copy
- 1:03:37of The Little Hot Dude. There is so much shit coinery
- 1:03:40going on that I'm just saving it all for tomorrow.
- 1:03:42Like the world Some Reuters just broke over the weekend.
- 1:03:47Like World Coin wants to give ID's to governments.
- 1:03:50Like, it's so nice. There's so much shit to cover.
- 1:03:53We'll get to it. Phil C says I give the memes the
- 1:03:57day when America has a Javier Meli.
- 1:04:00America already had one. It's called.
- 1:04:01He's called Ron Paul by the way. I think it was just his birthday
- 1:04:04recently. Apollo 21.
- 1:04:06I gave the memes a four pack of Are you Vedic meant are you
- 1:04:12Vedic? Make two is very specific, bro.
- 1:04:14I'm sure it's delicious. Big Sean Harris.
- 1:04:16I give the memes an inflation target of 0%.
- 1:04:19That's impossible. All right, next one by every day
- 1:04:23walking with Christ as I give the memes my new MK4 bot with a
- 1:04:27tone discount. OK, I like it.
- 1:04:30I like it. Next score by Matthew Ji.
- 1:04:34Give the memes the Bitcoin hat that I've been asking for about
- 1:04:37a week. All right, I'll clarify.
- 1:04:39We haven't printed the new batch.
- 1:04:41Our store is going to get released pretty soon.
- 1:04:44We will get you a batch of Bitcoin hat soon.
- 1:04:47Just just bear with us, Matthew. Really appreciate it.
- 1:04:50All right. Yes, we are dropping you merch
- 1:04:52very, very soon. Scoring the memes.
- 1:04:54One fire article from simply Bitcoin this morning.
- 1:04:56Accept your sovereignty. Well done.
- 1:05:02All right, you're out of time. That's the buzzer.
- 1:05:05Wait, wait, Chair force, you did miss the memes.
- 1:05:07You're literally 2 minutes late and.
- 1:05:09You were. You were featured in the memes.
- 1:05:11All right, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning
- 1:05:13into another episode of Simply Bitcoin Live.
- 1:05:16I'm your host. Nico is my cohost Opti.
- 1:05:18I want to thank our very special guests, Derek and Chris, thank
- 1:05:21you so much for joining us today.
- 1:05:24Why don't you tell everybody where they can find your guys
- 1:05:27projects on the interwebs one more time?
- 1:05:30Yeah, so please go to www.port.com.
- 1:05:33You'll find everything there. Get in touch with us.
- 1:05:35We're more than willing to help out.
- 1:05:37Awesome. All right.
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