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#1621 Inmate to World Champion | Mick Hall · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get our team. Welcome to another installment and shot.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Bloody You Pro project. What else would it be?
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  Speaker 1: Who else would it be but bloody Craig Uper and
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  Speaker 1: bloody tiff Cook and bloody Micol. Let's start with Tiffany
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  Speaker 1: and Cook. Who's who's the mother of two very precious children,
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  Speaker 1: one canine, one feline and the canine's been in all sorts. Yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, what a day we had, Harps, what a day
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  Speaker 2: we had? Little miss went into hospital?
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  Speaker 1: How is she? How is your daughter Luna today?
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  Speaker 2: She's good as gold. You know what I love is
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  Speaker 2: the little lessons you take. And I woke up and
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  Speaker 2: she bounced out on three legs and I picked up
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  Speaker 2: the lead and she was wagged her tail and was like,
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  Speaker 2: come on then, And I just made me reflect on
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  Speaker 2: that idea that they don't. They don't think about the
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  Speaker 2: what if saw that if only or they you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh well, we footsore, can't use it because
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  Speaker 2: it hurts, but let's go for a walk because walking's
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  Speaker 2: the best.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'll use the other three legs because I've
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  Speaker 1: got three more, so fuck it, let's use them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just love pondering that. I'm like, well, you are
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  Speaker 2: my teacher today, Luna.
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  Speaker 1: I'm no canine psychologists, but I'm pretty sure dogs don't
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  Speaker 1: feel sorry for themselves, but they don't go, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: All the other dogs have got four feet to use today,
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  Speaker 1: but I've only got three lives. Not fair? Why does
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  Speaker 1: God do this to me?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much?
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  Speaker 1: Nicaul, you're not really an animal person, are you. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that you dislike them, but I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: you talk about dogs or cats, and I've never known
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  Speaker 1: you to have a pet.
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  Speaker 4: Well, craigy boy, let me just enlighten you. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: an animal person, but I do have a dog. I
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  Speaker 4: have a black Labrador called Sasha. Oh, and I've had her.
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  Speaker 3: We got it from a breeder.
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  Speaker 4: I've had her for the last She's eighteen months old,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: She's awesome, has she?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so, you say I'm not an animal person,
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  Speaker 1: yet you have a dog that you love. Workshop that
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  Speaker 1: with us a little bit?
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  Speaker 3: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me give you an example of my non
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  Speaker 4: animal loving personality. My oldest daughter, who's now thirty five,
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  Speaker 4: about five years ago, came to me in tears, and
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  Speaker 4: she was upset because her dog had passed away and
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  Speaker 4: she needed to talk to somebody about it, and I
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  Speaker 4: had to let her know that although I feel for
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  Speaker 4: her and I want to be there for her, I
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  Speaker 4: don't have the feelings for animals that she has, so
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  Speaker 4: she may need to speak to somebody that can actually
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  Speaker 4: empathize more.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, Father of the Year, Nicoll, Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to our father or Father of the Year's selection panel.
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  Speaker 2: All out doesn't just hit hard in the boxing ring.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: And how did that go? How did that go? That conversation?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty average, Craig, Well average?
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  Speaker 1: Do you reckon? Because I mean, we don't. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: you said to me last night. I sent you a
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  Speaker 1: message and said, do you want to do a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: And you said, what are we going to chat about?
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'll let you know tomorrow. And I still
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  Speaker 1: haven't let you know. But that's all right. Do you
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  Speaker 1: reckon because of a lot of the shit that you've
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  Speaker 1: gone through in your life, and it's all well documented,
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  Speaker 1: so we're not throwing you under the basket. You know,
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  Speaker 1: all of the stuff you've been through addiction and booze,
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  Speaker 1: alcoholism and prison and a lot of you know, peaks
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  Speaker 1: and troughs. Probably a lot more troughs than peaks for
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  Speaker 1: certain phases. In fact, maybe a long fucking extended trough
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  Speaker 1: for a while. But there's in quite a lot of
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  Speaker 1: peaks over the last decade or so that I've known you,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. Do you reckon that having to deal
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  Speaker 1: with really hard shit and have to be in certain
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  Speaker 1: environments and situations for survival where you kind of at
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  Speaker 1: least have to appear, you know, like hard and unemotional
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  Speaker 1: and not vulnerable because in certain environments and places that
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  Speaker 1: you've been being vulnerable, being emotion is analogous to weakness.
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  Speaker 4: Right absolutely, And look at is it funnily enough? It
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  Speaker 4: is a skill to be able to I guess, not
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  Speaker 4: just a peer unaffected or something like that, but be
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  Speaker 4: able to switch it on and switch it off. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's different to being one way or the other,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And survival has had had become and has
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  Speaker 4: become a very ingrained, well learned skill that I have.
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  Speaker 4: But of course nobody wants to live in survival mode forever.
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  Speaker 4: But it is a handy tool to be able to
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  Speaker 4: whip out when needed.
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  Speaker 1: But I also know, like we spoke about you, knowing
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  Speaker 1: you've spoken about many times you being a lonely, isolated,
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  Speaker 1: socially disconnected child when you were young, very young, probably
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  Speaker 1: earlier than ten, and then picking up booze for the
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  Speaker 1: first time at twelve. And these are not the words
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  Speaker 1: you use, but this is how I think of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, fuck, this is where my best friend
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  Speaker 1: has been my whole life. Or it was feeling like
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  Speaker 1: you'd come home when you first tasted booze, because it
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  Speaker 1: took you out of that temporarily, out of that pain,
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  Speaker 1: you know, out of that social and emotional and mental
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  Speaker 1: pain and kind of made you feel better, right, And
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  Speaker 1: so there's that bit. Yeah, there's this dichotomy of like
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  Speaker 1: Mick Hall, the young child who was vulnerable and emotional
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  Speaker 1: and just wanted love and care and attention and acceptance,
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  Speaker 1: and then the bloke that became this hard man who
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  Speaker 1: had to survive in jail. It's a real kind of
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  Speaker 1: almost a contradiction. It's it's weird, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Like I lived my worst nightmare, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's the very thing that I never wanted to experience
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  Speaker 4: and I couldn't imagine having to go through. And luckily
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  Speaker 4: I had to go through it. I threw there through
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  Speaker 4: the card, you know. And the funny thing is when
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  Speaker 4: you talked about that, you know that relief, you used
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  Speaker 4: the beautiful words with that as well, and then you
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  Speaker 4: explained it beautifully. When I was sort of twelve years
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  Speaker 4: old and I had that first drink or whatever, and
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  Speaker 4: I got that relief, and I felt like i'd come home,
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  Speaker 4: that I just sort of all of a sudden, I
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  Speaker 4: could be me. But you know, that gave me relief
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  Speaker 4: from the condition that I didn't even know that I had.
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  Speaker 4: You see, feeling the way I was feeling was the
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  Speaker 4: only normal I knew. And then when I had this
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  Speaker 4: taste of alcohol and I was released, I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: that that was possible or real, and so when I
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  Speaker 4: got a taste of it, I just needed to chase it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you've spoken before about how people are. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a percentage of people are genetically predisposed or more likely
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  Speaker 1: to become addicted because of the way that their brain
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  Speaker 1: works or doesn't work, whatever we want to call it.
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  Speaker 1: And David Gillespie's spoken about this, and doctor Bill Sullivan
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  Speaker 1: I spoke to the day before yesterday, and he was
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  Speaker 1: talking also about how you know, like when you don't
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  Speaker 1: some people who naturally don't produce a lot of dopamine
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  Speaker 1: and then they have booze and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: this thing that most of us have most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: or at the very least most of us have access
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  Speaker 1: to on tap, you know. You know, Tiff plays with
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  Speaker 1: her dog, you know, in her cat, and she takes
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  Speaker 1: them for a walk, or she goes to the gym
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  Speaker 1: and punches some poor unsuspecting motherfucker in the face, and
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  Speaker 1: she's got dopamine out of the wazoo, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: but you probably were born where you didn't produce. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. This is just my guess because if you
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  Speaker 1: if you're normal, because everyone's got their own normal, but
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how it compares to anyone else's. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've been a certain way for twelve years
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  Speaker 1: and then you have booze and then you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: is this how other people feel? Is this what? Maybe
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  Speaker 1: this is what good feels like? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And that's open?
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  Speaker 3: Is you bang on?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like I work with a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: that are suffering from addition, and everyone's you know, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: hang on, I'm a heroin addict or I'm an ice addict,
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  Speaker 4: or I'm a gambling addict or whatever addict, and they're
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  Speaker 4: concerned about the substance that they're taking. And when really,
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  Speaker 4: when you break it down, when push comes to shove,
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  Speaker 4: what we're really addicted.
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  Speaker 3: To is the dopamine release in the brain.
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  Speaker 4: The actual addiction is the dopamine, because that's the thing
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  Speaker 4: that medicates the mind and the emotions. Hmm, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's the dopamine. It's that euphromoric yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And really the booze or the drugs, or the
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  Speaker 1: gambling or the sex. Yeah, it's the pathway to the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Or it's the conduit too, you know. And I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about you yesterday and congratulations, not last weekend,
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  Speaker 1: but the weekend before you. You won a world titled
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  Speaker 1: in boxing, a masters world titled It's fucking amazing, And
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, so, the chat that I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: have with you is, you know, I wrote down some
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  Speaker 1: things here, loneliness, social disconnection, drinking, booze at twelve, crime, jail, addiction,
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  Speaker 1: attempted suicide, rehab, recovery, redemption, working in radio, drug and
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  Speaker 1: alcohol canceling, counseling, becoming a dad, building a successful business,
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  Speaker 1: becoming an entrepreneur, talking to thousands of people. And then
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  Speaker 1: when most people are kind of going, I mean, your
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  Speaker 1: life has been mental, right, your life has been crazy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, crazy good and crazy bad. But like we're
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  Speaker 1: all in many ways, we're all a byproduct of where
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  Speaker 1: we've been, what we've done, and what we've seen, what
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  Speaker 1: we've been through. Right. And then but when most people
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  Speaker 1: like fifty issue going, well, not that people intentionally do,
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  Speaker 1: but most people just seem to all right, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to you know, my brain's going to start to
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  Speaker 1: wind down, my body's going to start to wind down.
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  Speaker 1: Like most people are not ramping up life in their fifties.
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  Speaker 1: Some are have the capacity to do that. But the
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  Speaker 1: truth is, I would think the majority are not the
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  Speaker 1: majority consciously or not probably not a kind of winding down.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've done thirty thirty five years of adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: They're winding down their career. They were in great shape
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  Speaker 1: when they were fucking twenty four and jacked for three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've had a couple of kids and they're like, eh,
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  Speaker 1: And when most people are kind of just you know,
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  Speaker 1: not pulling the pin, but you know, facing the inevitable
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  Speaker 1: in inverted commas with an asterisk, you go, oh, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I might become an elite athlete. I might train seven
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  Speaker 1: days a week. I might get in the ring and
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  Speaker 1: not just trained, but then I might actually start fighting
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  Speaker 1: and become a boxer. And I know you got the
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  Speaker 1: bejeebas punched out of you once or twice, and then
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  Speaker 1: you went actually, then you learn, then you adapted, then
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  Speaker 1: you started getting better, then you started winning. Then you've
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  Speaker 1: got a state title, and bibbittybobbedy boo, now you're fucking
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  Speaker 1: fifty whatever you are, and you've got a world title.
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  Speaker 1: But firstly, congratulations, it's fucking amazing. But whoever thought I'll
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  Speaker 1: shut up after this? But I remember you vividly telling
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  Speaker 1: me a story about when you were I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: if it was like a warehouse or a factory. Were
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  Speaker 1: you living in a caravan some blokes caravan?
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yep, absolutely, And I remember you telling me about
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  Speaker 5: how addicted you were in the absolute grip of I
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  Speaker 5: believe it was heroine.
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  Speaker 1: And you looked at yourself in the mirror and you
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  Speaker 1: essentially looked like death, and you were in your I
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  Speaker 1: think early twenties, maybe correct me if I fucking ear
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  Speaker 1: this up. And I thought about this guy that I
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  Speaker 1: saw on social media with his arms in the air,
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  Speaker 1: this world title belt, his fucking family, Like, who looks
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  Speaker 1: like an athlete, not just some old fat fuck trying
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  Speaker 1: to throw a few? Like you look like an athlete,
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  Speaker 1: And three decades earlier, you were a fucking heroin addict,
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  Speaker 1: at the brink of death, living in a fucking caravan
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  Speaker 1: in a factory, And like, what do you think? What
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  Speaker 1: a fucking transformation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what I do think.
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  Speaker 4: Great, you know what that world titled Like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it was two weeks ago, and you know I was
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  Speaker 4: in the ring in the in the fourth round. It
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  Speaker 4: was for only about ten seconds into the fourth round,
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  Speaker 4: and I punched the Pajevas out this guy. We had
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  Speaker 4: small gloves, so it was through the WBL. So they're
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  Speaker 4: required that we wear small gloves. So very powerful, very
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  Speaker 4: powerful hits.
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  Speaker 1: And just explained to just explain to our listeners who
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  Speaker 1: are mostly not boxing fans, God bless their socks. The
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  Speaker 1: bigger the glove, the less punishment on the person, and
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  Speaker 1: the smaller the glove, the more punishment.
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  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, absolutely, So most Masters boxes these days are
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  Speaker 4: required are required to wear what we called sixteen ounce gloves.
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  Speaker 4: That's sixteen ounces of padding on the gloves, which, believe me,
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  Speaker 4: there is still a lot of risk and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of and they hurt, but they're a lot safer than
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  Speaker 4: smaller gloves. And through the WBL they sanction my fight,
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  Speaker 4: and their requirements are that we wear twelve ounce gloves
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  Speaker 4: which are much smaller padding, which means that there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot smaller amount of padding between your knuckles and your
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  Speaker 4: fists and the edge.
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  Speaker 3: Of the glove. So when they hit, they hit really
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  Speaker 3: really hard.
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  Speaker 4: And when I was in the fourth round and I
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  Speaker 4: was getting stuck in the guy I actually actually in
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  Speaker 4: the third round, I got what's called a standing eight count,
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  Speaker 4: so they had to stop the fight for a second
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  Speaker 4: and give him a standing eight count, and then he
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  Speaker 4: was saved by the bell. Ten seconds into the fourth round.
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  Speaker 4: I went to work on him and the referee stepped
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  Speaker 4: in and stopped the fight. The doctor and the referee
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  Speaker 4: stopped the fight, and of course I won, which was fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: And my trainer, I've got two main trainers. My main
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  Speaker 4: trainer is Scottish. He's gol Rwegian and he's very difficult
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  Speaker 4: to understand, but but I love him.
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  Speaker 3: He's as mad as me.
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  Speaker 4: And he's a fantastic person, person who absolutely now here's
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  Speaker 4: the key to this.
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  Speaker 3: This is a person who believes in me. It believes
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  Speaker 3: in me, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I've needed that so many times in my life
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  Speaker 4: when I couldn't really believe in myself, but I needed
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  Speaker 4: somebody to believe in me so that I could grab
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  Speaker 4: some belief. And he's always done that for me. And
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  Speaker 4: the other person, the other trainer that I have is
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  Speaker 4: a guy named Andy Briggs and Briggsy. He had about
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  Speaker 4: I think he had about sixty five amateur fights. He
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  Speaker 4: had a couple of pro fights. He says, well experienced,
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  Speaker 4: and he's my second guy in the corner. And he's
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  Speaker 4: been with me like I've been mates with him for
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  Speaker 4: a long many many many many many years. And he's
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  Speaker 4: been cornering me on every fight in Masters. And when
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  Speaker 4: I won that weld tied. When that fight got stopped
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  Speaker 4: and I walked over with tears coming out my eyes
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  Speaker 4: to the corner, Breezy looked at me and so did Carl.
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  Speaker 4: They both looked and the said, can you believe this
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  Speaker 4: prisen to a world title?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and that might be the name of the show.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for that, yep, yeah, well thanks, thanks Cole and
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  Speaker 4: thanks Andy. You know, like I mean, and that really
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  Speaker 4: hit me, you know, it really hit me.
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  Speaker 3: And it was.
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  Speaker 4: An overwhelming experience, you know, and it was just just amazing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just amazing and full respects my opponent, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, like he he.
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  Speaker 3: Was very gracious in defeat.
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  Speaker 4: And of course I always you know, I always have
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  Speaker 4: respect for the people that I get in the ring
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  Speaker 4: with and.
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  Speaker 3: That fight because it's it reveals who you are. You know.
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  Speaker 4: It takes a real certain courage to get in the ring.
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  Speaker 4: And I've never been in a fight where I wasn't scared.
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  Speaker 4: I've been scared every single time, including that world title fight.
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  Speaker 4: I was scared before I got in. And yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: was just an amazing experience. So you know, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I do. I think about it a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like the how have I gone from here? You know,
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  Speaker 4: from back where I was to going through what I
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  Speaker 4: went through to where I am today. It's amazing and
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  Speaker 4: looked there's been a mean twists and turns along the way.
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  Speaker 4: As we know, and you talked about the peaks and
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  Speaker 4: troughs before, Well, usually my peaks are very.
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  Speaker 3: Steep, sharp beats.
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  Speaker 4: What goes up comes down, and I'm one of those
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  Speaker 4: ones that goes up and down, you know. So it
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  Speaker 4: hasn't been a smooth, nice ride. But to just comment
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  Speaker 4: to on what you were saying before in terms of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like most people are sort of a fifty
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm fifty three now and they're winding down
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  Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. And I'll tell you, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just.
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  Speaker 3: Have a hunger in me. My boxing journey is not over.
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  Speaker 3: My journey.
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  Speaker 4: I've learned in my fifties what I always wanted, and
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know I wanted when I was young. I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to be an athlete. I wanted to be an athlete.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful that because I'm clean and sober,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm who I am, because I've been through the
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  Speaker 4: experiences I've been through, I'm able to realize that dream
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  Speaker 4: at fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Plus, And isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing? How much
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like I know that from a few silly things that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you did when you were young, one of them trying
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to end your life jumping off a bridge, a significant bridge,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: which you've spoken about on this show, and you shattered
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: your ankle, and so there are bits of your body
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that aren't in let's just say elite condition. I mean,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: your cardiovascular system is and your hands go pretty good,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: but you know you've got a bit of a fucked
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: ankle medically speaking, and you know so, But isn't it amazing?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: At fifty three? Like we talk about potential on this show,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: we talk about possibilities, you know, yeah, and maybe the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm the most you know, I'm the most
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: fascinated with the human mind slash brain, but tied into that,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: which is you know, almost one and the same is
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: human potential. What like what when we actually just have
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a crack and I mean really really really have a
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: crack fucking boots and all fully committed dive in, not
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: not oh well, you know, I'll see how I go.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Fuck that, don't see how you go?
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Do it?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Jump in? You know, like you do the work, you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: do the training, You have a fight, you lose, you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: have another fight, you lose, you have another fight, you win,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Then you have another fight you win, and then you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: fucking then you're on your way, and you know you lose.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: You learn as much from losses as wins, sometimes more
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: from losses than wins. And sometimes you know, and I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: know this is cliche, but you just can't escape the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: truth of the fact that Paine is a great teacher,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: That disappointment is a great teacher if you let it be.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: That that uncertainty and the unknown and the unfamiliar and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: all of that shit is just when you lean into it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You know whether or not that's leaning, you know, with
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: physical pain, mental pain, and financial, social, emotional, and you go, fuck,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this won't be fun, but I'm in because the outcome
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: might be awesome. And even though it's not fun in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: inverted commas, in the moment, it's who you're becoming along
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the way, Like the dude that I met I don't know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: fuck NELLI twenty years ago doing radio, which is you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You are just a different here. I mean, with full respect,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I can say this to you. I wouldn't say it
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to anyone else because we're mates. But you were fat
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and out of shape. You know, you were probably twenty
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: kilos heavier than you are. You're unfit, you're unhealthy. You
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: were healthier than when you're an addict, that's for sure,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: because you were clean and sober. But now the guy
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: who's and I mean in inverted commas, this shouldn't happen,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like that shouldn't happen
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: because like on a typical traject So I met you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: when you were say thirty five and twenty kilos overweight,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: not particularly fit or healthy. Well, what would normally happen,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: which I'm glad it didn't, is will you would end
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: up being fifty three and morbidly obese and probably with
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a bunch of medical conditions and on a bunch of medication.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: But you've literally reversed the aging process, I mean crazy.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And it's not like you're a freak or you've got
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: some genetic secret.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You know, absolutely craz absolutely, And the one point I
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: want to get across is is that what I've achieved
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: in boxing has got nothing. I'm not naturally talented. I'm
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: not naturally talented, and i am not a natural athlete.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: But what I've done is I've absolutely worked. I've worked
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: harder than anybody my age works at this at this Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and what I've lacked in talent, I've made up for
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: in commitment, dedication, passion, belief, waning, belief even. But that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: when I've met it, the other people to believe about
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: me and talk about adaption well, and talk about the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: human body and how what shouldn't happen. I'll tell you
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that's what shouldn't happen. When I jumped off that bridge
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: back in the day and I shattered that ankle. Well,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: as I started boxing, I'm naturally I'm a right handed person.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Everything I do in my strongest hands. I write with
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: my right hand right, so I'm right hander. And when
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: i started boxing, because I've got limited flextion in my
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: right ankle, as an orthodox boxer, I couldn't get my
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: feet in the right position because of my ankle.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So it made me a little unbalanced.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: And so how's this at about forty six years old,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I've gone fuck everything that I've learned in boxing. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: now need to relearn left handed, and I need to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: be I need to become better left handed than I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: am right handed, so because I've got a better balance
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: that way, because my right puts out the front.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my left puts out the back, yeah, right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: And so so I relearned it and I am now
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: way more powerful left handed biting than I am right handed.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm still powerful right handed.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it is like that adaptation for using what
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is your naturally your weaker, less coordinated, less natural kind
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of side of your body. Like I'm very left dominant.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm left handed, right left handed. I throw left handed
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: if I was to play tennis, which I clearly wouldn't,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but you know, like, I'm very left dominant my left
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: side by the way I would rock a tennis skirt.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that, man. But do you know another
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: thing I think also about you, which you kind of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: alluded to, Like you, You and I caught up a couple
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago before your world title fight, and you
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: basically said, you're basically where you've been.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Tiff.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Well, camera just failed itself. I had to reboot it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, tiss beIN, tis beIN not what welcome back? Yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Tip's back on the show. She's been absolutely But you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and I caught up. You and I caught up, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you essentially said to me it was more than this,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But you went thanks for being my friend, and you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: went thanks for like just and I love that. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I've said this to Tiff right it's like, I love
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that I can just support you and there's nothing in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it for me other than being your friend. Right. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the interesting thing I saw about you is I saw
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: this tough guy, this fucking tattered head to toe motherfucker
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: dude who's been in prison, you know, just to sooner
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: have a fight as a fucking hot lunch, all that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I also saw this strong, resilient person,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: but also this vulnerable dude who just needed another dude
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to just like him and to just believe in him
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and support him. And I also recognized and I think
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it's really changed in the last ten years because your
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: world is different, your life, lifestyle, you're different. But I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: think when I met you, you hadn't had a lot
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of people in your life that just loved you and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: accepted you without any agenda.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Very true, and I'll sell you. The other thing that,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: to just sum that up a little bit, is one
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: of the things that I believe I was, you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I still am, and I was very grateful for and
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I am grateful for is the fact that you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: when the ass fell out of me, out of my world.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Right, you didn't leave me. M hmm.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: You didn't leave me. That's all I want. I want
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: someone just don't leave me now. If I'm going bad,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: if shit's gone bad, just don't leave me. Just fucking
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: hang in there, you know, like fucking walk away from me.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And and I love that, you know, That's That's my
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: highest quality that I hold in people, is that beautiful
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: loyalty and that now that I'm wavering sort of, I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: there good or bad. And that's something that you know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: In my work that I do helping other people with addiction,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: something that I want to bring to them.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I want them to know I'm not going to leave them.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Even if I get ship and hard, I'm not leaving
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: if I if I sniff something, if I sniff some
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: authenticity mm hmm, some realness, some genuine desire, I ain't
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: fucking leaving. Simple was that and I love that, And
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: that's what you gave to me. It would have been very,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: very easy to just know, well, you're a busy man,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you've got an unbelievable life, you've got you know, you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: a professional, you've got so many things going on.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: But you still said he's my man, and I'm still
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: going to make time for him.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you're easy to be a mate too. But
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I remember five or six years ago, maybe four or
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: five years ago. We won't talk about what specifically, but
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: things were tough for you. There was a real moment
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in your life where shit wasn't going great, as happens
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to everyone, but you were in the middle of some stuff.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I remember sitting outside this window right now in
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the bamboo. Do you remember you and me sitting out
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in the bamboo in the fucking chairs with our feet
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: up on them, and just having quite a lot of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: chats out in the bamboo about the ship that you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: were in the middle of. And you know, I knew
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't fix it or change it or wave
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a magic wand but I also knew that somebody just
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: being there same or mate, you know, I'm here, I'm
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere, you know. And you do that for people,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Tiff does that for people? Tif Do you have any
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: questions for the great you know, box at a boxer,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: pugilist to pugilist, thug to thug.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment on how difficult
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it is to switch to South poor. I just don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: think people could ever grasp the complexity of that. It
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is I applaud you for that. Like when you said that,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I was like people, even people who write left handed
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: or brush your teeth left handed, when you're a right hander,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it'll give you a snapshot. But as a coach being
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: challenged to try and stand in Southpoor to show technique
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and see technique, I struggle with that. So that is incredible.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Tiff.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, really, isn't it, Because I mean, you
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: think everything's going to be reversed when you're in south Wall.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Everything that you've learned has to be reversed. But not
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: only that, there's a lot of stuff that you do.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Not everything, but there are there are some things that
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you do in Southport that don't translate to Orthodox and
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: some things that you do an Orthodox that don't translate
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: to Southport. So you have to relearn different ways of
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: different combinations don't.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Work in both stances.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: And also imagine changing your stance, but then you could
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: be in front of someone that's an Orthodox or a
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Southport and so not just your stance that matters.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: It's when you're in the ring all of.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: A sudden you're a Southpaw, but you used to be
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: an Orthodox, but now you're facing a south for.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: It's triply triply weird.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, so it's it is. It
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: was a major, a major feat and I'm very very
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: fortunate that I had teachers, or I had a teacher
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: in particular a French guy actually who's but a French
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: guy who was very very high level, and he he
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: put myself and my son through. I would call it
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: nothing short of sas training for boxing. Over a period
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: of about four years, seven days a week, we're at
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: like sparring at six o'clock in the morning in the
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: rain in a sand pit.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Crawling through, crawling.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Up hills with it was just incredible, you know, like
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: it was just this mad, mad conditioning and training and
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: technique training that it's paid off.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: In the end.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And the idea about understanding. So there's that whole tough
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: love aspect, there's that getting in getting hit and just
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about your background and what you've
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: been through, right, and maybe your opinion of yourself at times.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And one thing that's apparent to me is how you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: you learn to be tough and weather the storm when
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you need to, but also understand when you might need
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a bit of self love and self acceptance. Have you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: been through anything with that? Psychologically?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I've been through that repeatedly, repeatedly.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And it's been the major stuff for me with boxing
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: is around the psychology and the emotional side of it,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: because my first seven fights were a loss, a lose,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a loss. And it's not like playing foot you we
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: can go, oh, I played well, but look we lost
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: by one point or two points. It's like, did you
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: what happened in the fight?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Mate? I lost to right? Okay, yeah, okay.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: So you sit with that loss and and it's hard
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: to come back from because there's only two people in
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: the fight. You're only going to win or lose. You're
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: not going to have a bad day or like it's
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: syst it's going to win or lose. And so psychologically
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: what would happen for me when I'd lose is it
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: was very, very difficult because.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I got in the demons. I'm almost fighting in the demons.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And in the demons, tommy, mate, you.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Don't belong here. You're not good enough, You're not a boxer.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: These people can see through you. Are you really do
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you really think that you've got a fighting spirit? You know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: you're a little boy you know. That's what my head,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: that's what my head in my heart tried to tell
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: me in the beginning. And I had to find a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: way to settle with myself and say, now I'm not
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a little boy, and yes I am good enough to
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: be here, and I believe. And you know, my first
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: fight as a master, as Martha's fight was about, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: don't know. It was about three years ago or whatever.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And I thought a guy whose name was Christopher Hume.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Now I fought at eighty six kilos. I now fight
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: at seventy two kilos, right, But I fought then at
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: eighty six kilos, and Christopher Hume he beat me, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: he beat me well. And they were interviewing us at
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the end of the fight in the ring. And when
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: they came to me and they asked me a few
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: questions and whatever I said to them. You see, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: had this dream, I had this believe I didn't know
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: how I was going to do it, and I was
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: frightened of doing it. But I said, but I'm going
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to win a title. I will be back, make no mistake.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I will not stop until I win the title.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: And yeah, very good, Mick. You know I've got the applause, whatever,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and off we go.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I lost the next six in a row after that,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: so that speech didn't look to be coming true. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I did keep that belief, and my trainers believed in me,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: and did you know that it was only however long
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: later I was standing in the ring and I won
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: a Victorian state title, and that guy, Christopher Hume, was
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: the guy that stood there with the belt and presented
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: me the belt and wrapped it around my waist.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That just gave me goosebumps.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: That's that's the power of consistency. That's the power of
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: doing shit, whether I'm fucking scared or not right, because
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: because I knew that deep down, it's it's who I am,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: who I want to be, It's who I want to be,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and it is who I am. Even though the head
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: noise was telling me it's not, I knew in my
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: heart it was that's who I am. I'm boxing on
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: a fighter, you know, And I kept going. And so
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: then the consistency, the discipline, all of that stuff led
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: me to standing there in that ring and the guy
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: that beat me that first fight wrapping that belt around me.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: And since then I won.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: A WBL Asia Pacific super middleweight title. I want to
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: WBL Masters Middleweight world title, and I've got you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: after the back of that world title fight, I've been
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: offered more title fights in Sydney, you know, and which
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I'm considering and weighing up whether I can, whether I
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: can make it happen. But there's lots of opportunities come up,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: and I know that my boxing journey isn't finished yet
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: because I'm getting better and better and better every fight.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: And I have to say too that I don't mind
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: being fifty three years old and having an absolutely rippling
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: sticks pack.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I also love.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I love the fact that you used the word scared
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and didn't change it, didn't change it too nervous or
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you know, prefect nerves. I love that you said I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: scared every time I get in the ring.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's crazy.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I think we we change our language into positive of things,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: which can be really good, but sometimes that can let
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: us make us leave it behind when we might need
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it the most. So then when that same feeling is
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: being scared in real life, we don't translate it anymore
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: because it's like, well, this isn't pre fight nerves. Now
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I'm scared, and I haven't been scared for years. It's like, yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you're scared every time you get.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: In the ring, exactly right, exactly right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: And the thing I love about boxing is that everything
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: that we've been talking about that goes on psychologically and emotionally,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: like you think and you know as a box of
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: two tiff that you know, when you're under attack in
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the ring, you know you have to be able to
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: stay calm. You've got to be able to think, you've
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: got to move, you've got to make split second decisions,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: and you have to be able to negotiate your way
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: through whatever's coming at you. And that translates to life.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: It translates to life in so many areas. It translates
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: to business, it translates to relationships, it translates to financial stuff,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: it translates to friendships, you know, in every aspect of life.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: And that's why I love boxing because it absolutely number one.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: It makes me take responsibility for me. You know, I'm
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the guy in there. There's nobody else can help me.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: And that's one thing I also learned through all of
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: the stuff that I've been through my life, through addiction
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: and everything. Craig talked all about stuff before. But at
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: the end of the day, I guess what, nobody could
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: help me. Nobody can save me. Only I can. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: need other people, I need help, but only I can
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: do it. I alone can do it, but I can't
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: do it alone. And and boxing just emulates and mimics.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: It helps me realize all of that stuff. No one
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: in that ring can help me. I've got all that training,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: everything I've been shown, taught, talked about, all that stuff.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I now have to implement it, and nobody can do
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: it for me, and no one can help me. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: have to do it. Helps me take responsibility for me.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: That's the key to not being a victim. That's the
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: key to empowerment. True empowerment I've found is me taking
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: responsibility for me.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Simple as that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Was there something you believed about you or how you
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: saw yourself before the boxing ring that you saw in
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: black and white for the first time, when you saw
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: yourself in the ring and then couldn't deny it, that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: changed you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's something I've seen, but it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: something maybe the word I would use is realized.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: You know, but it's internal.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Internally realized, you know, and it's taken a number of fights,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: has taken ten, twelve, thirteen fights, whoever many fights has
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: taken to actually realize that and understand and totally believe
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: that I belong there and that this is who I am.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: This is who I am. I'm now proud to say
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: and I'll say it anywhere.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I'm a fighter.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I was embarrassed to say it before, even though I
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: was a fighter, I was embarrassed to say. I didn't
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: feel like it was I sort of had any credibility
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: or that i'd sort of I could say that because
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you know, up ahind On, you're a dad and you're
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: a business.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I am all those things. But I'm a fighter. That's
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: who I.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Am and I know that now and I love that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't make me a hard badass or anything.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: That doesn't that's all bullershit. It makes me an authentic
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: person who cares and loves for people, loves people and
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: would do anything to help someone. But I know I'm
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: a fighter, you know, I know that I have that
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: internal spirit that is that will not lay down, that
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: will stand up for what I believe in.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So how's the fifty I'm still here? Everyone, good work. Tip,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I've just been in the jacuzzi, had a back cracking sackquacks,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: had many head eyebrows done. No, I just said I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: had a back cracking sackquacks.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Well right, let's ignored. That's sorry.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think about that anyone, and no I didn't.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Just so, when is the fifty three year old going
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to I know Dana have any immediate retirement plans, But
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: do you ever think about how's my brain going to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: be if I keep getting punched in the face when
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, do you think about that moving forward?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Looking after your brain and your mental health and all
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent? You know?
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: And it's a funny thing that looking after your brain
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: and your mental health. That funny thing is that my
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: mental health has never been so good as it is.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Now through Bobs.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Yes, so there's a there's a little spanner in the works.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is is that if I was
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: in a position where I was getting hit in the
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: head too much, then yes, it is time to stop.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: But I don't get hit in the head a lot.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I do get hit in the head, yes, and I'm
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: not but you know, while I'm still performing at a
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: level where I can really reduce. You know, I'm hard
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: to hit, and I've got good defense, and i can move,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: and I've got all of the attributes that i need
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: in order to to to do.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: What I need to do in the ring. Then okay,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: going when.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: They start to fail or get to get to a
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: certain point, and I think the way I look at
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: it is I look at each fight. If I know
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: that it's funny because each fight that comes up and
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I'm talking to the train as we go, fuck mate,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: they're going to be looking at the footage from the
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: last fight that was four months.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Ago or whatever.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: They don't know what they don't know what's coming because
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: we've improved. We've got more arsenals. Now, we've got a
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: new we've got new weapons. Now, we've improved the weapons
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: we've had and we've added more.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: So while that's still happening, in my mind, it's ridiculous
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: to stop. But if we're getting to the next fight
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: and it was like more of the same.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, then I'm going to start thinking, Okay, the improvement stop,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I've kind of platted out, started to decline, then it's
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: time to.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like, when you do hang up the gloves.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: In terms of you fighting, you're probably still going to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: be involved. You're probably going to be supporting other fighters
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: or coaching a fighter or and when's the I guess
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the only the big question really is when are you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: going to move around in the ring with Tiff and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: she'll have the pads on and she'll fucking just put
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you through your face.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Mick, yeah, grouse, I prefer that, all right, I would
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: love to.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: In fact, we should sort of. I'll come down. I'll
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: stand in the corner and do some filming and I'll
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: bring my sponge to mop up the blood and to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: pick up mix mixed self esteem. One's fucking Tiff towels
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: him up. Imagine that here we going, Oh well, titled,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I was going great. So I got smashed in the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: dick by a girl back and now.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: That it wouldn't be the first time.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Hey mate, it's been great catching up
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: with you. We appreciate you. Do you want to steer
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: anyone towards anything? Do you want to pump anything up?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Or do you want to point anyone in a direction?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: All good, all good mate, all good bloody gats.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks mate, Thanks Tiv for jumping in and I'm glad
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you too, finally met. You might become friends now me too,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: never know. Thanks team, Thanks everyone,