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From the Archive: A Podcaster's Journey to 100 Episodes (It's Harder WAY Than You Think) · Your Mic

• 0:00
  This is your mic. My name is Freddy Cruz and today on the show we're hanging out with one of my podcast BFFs His name is George Blitch host of the son of a Blitch podcast And we are going to be talking podcast preparation if you have a guest interview format We're going to talk sponsorships what it takes to get to 100 episodes and so much more
• 0:23
  And if you enjoyed this conversation as much as we did having it, please consider sharing with a new or aspiring podcast host in your network. George, my man. How's it going, bud? Fantastic, dude. Congratulations on approaching...
• 0:42
  Nearly 100. Thank you. Yeah. It's almost there, man. About a month away and it should be hitting 100, Mike. Yeah. So it's the Son of a Blitz podcast. And I wanted to bring you on to my podcast about podcasting because you are in a very unique situation and that you found a niche and you are owning it.
• 1:01
  You're owning it. Like it's outdoors, it's hunting, but it's also food, but it's also authors and everything kind of centers around the great outdoors. So why don't you tell people about your show and then what you learned as you're approaching the big triple digits? Cheers, man. Well, thank you first for having me on. Yeah.
• 1:18
  It's been something that I kind of started out three years ago. I talked about it before where I had kind of used to travel around and interview indigenous elders from all around the world, worked with a guy from National Geographic. And then I've done music touring and I've written some books. I've done a lot of stuff in the outdoor world. And so I kind of decided to start doing something that can encompass all those interests of mine. And I realized, too, they're very spread out. So the first thing I was trying to figure out is like, you know, what do I do as a name? Do I do something that's more cooking?
• 1:45
  or outdoor related, well, with a name like Blitch, you kind of got to lean into it. So I went with the Son of a Blitch podcast and kind of just said, you know, I'm going to throw everything on the wall and kind of see what sticks. And I think that variety of different types of guests, writers, videographers, you know, business owners, whatever it may be, you know, hunting, you know, personalities, TV show personalities, and then just...
• 2:07
  the various different people that I have that have come on, I feel it keeps me interested because I'm going after what I like. And then hopefully there'd be people who like it too. And it seems to be that that's the case. And so, yeah, it's just kind of a continuation of things that interest me. And the whole thing is interviewing interesting people, doing interesting things like yourself. I want to go back to something that you said.
• 2:29
  Three years in the making. Yes. Because I think new podcasters and aspiring podcasters, they've kind of got the rose-colored glasses on. And just because you can go to Guitar Center or hit up Amazon and buy a mic, that you hit record, and then all of a sudden you are a global sensation, and it's overnight, and it's going to take little effort. And podcasting is simple, but it's not easy. Yeah.
• 2:59
  Nor is anything involving podcasting. So talk about some of the trials and tribulations. Like what did you do to kind of keep the fire burning? Because you are, you're like, you're like a serial entrepreneur, like writing the books and doing all the things, but you're also a finance guy.
• 3:16
  Yeah, no, I do a lot of different things. And that's something that, you know, I kind of lean into my interests. Right. And so that was something that I figured at first I could go and just talk to a few people that I've already had some connections with. And those would be the first, you know, five or so episodes. And then it's like, OK, well, now what do I do? And, you know, I did not realize that I was supposed to be getting 10 million, you know, downloads a month at the beginning, which was probably good.
• 3:41
  Because I realized at the very beginning, it was trickling in. And you were calling your friends and family, hey, could you please subscribe? Could you please follow? Could you please download? And I didn't really look at the metrics at the very beginning. One of the things that I decided to do very early on was at least look at it as a one-year training course. Got it.
• 4:00
  I was going to try to hone my craft and become the best interviewer, the best listener, and the best host that I could possibly be, knowing it was going to take time. I mean, I'm sure that you have looked back on some of your very first episodes and you were like, I can't believe I said um or awesome. I said awesome all the time. I had to put a tape, a piece of paper that said don't say awesome anymore on my laptop because I said it all the time. That's awesome. That's awesome. Isn't that awesome?
• 4:24
  I did it all the time. And so there was things that I realized I needed to work on and figuring out how to do stuff like, you know, introductions. I used to do these three to four minute introductions, man, I've chopped those off. Actually, I listened to you talking about that and I realized how badly.
• 4:41
  I was doing a disservice to my listeners by boring them with the things. You want to read about this stuff? Read about it in the text underneath the intro to the podcast. But really jumping right into that, the numbers went up, and the longer listens would happen. You can see all those metrics and see what happens. But, yeah, to that point, it's a long process to get good at something.
• 5:04
  And I was listening to an interview the other day with a guy named Pete Roberts. He's the CEO of Origin USA and Jocko Fuel. And he said he thinks about things in 10 year blocks. And another guy, Kip Foulkes, he's the co-founder of Under Armour. And he talks about he's like, it takes 10 years for you to really see what your work does.
• 5:22
  And I think that may be discouraging when someone's thinking they're going to be an overnight success in podcasts. Especially in 2025. A hundred percent. Yeah. So maybe it's not going to take, you know, the 10 years to master this business or something. But if you're doing a podcast, you're not going to have overnight success, man. And most of the times when people have overnight success, it's years in the making or decades in the making behind it. Right. So that was something that I had to really kind of swallow a little bit of that pride of hoping that I could maybe make something. It could be, you know, the next big thing.
• 5:51
  and realize this is going to be a slow process. If I get good at it and I make it right, I make it entertaining and I think about my audience and I do my guests a good service, then that's something that hopefully that will build the numbers and that golden road will come of listenership, right? I want to follow up on something that you talked about in that you treated your first year of the podcast journey as like a training course. And I've never heard it put that way. And I don't know of any creator who would have that...
• 6:21
  Well, I shouldn't say I don't know of any creator. I'm sure there are creators out there who would have that kind of patience, but they've got to be few and far between. Because everything that I've ever heard from people who might want to launch a podcast are like, well, what's the ROI? And we all know what ROI means. Money, honey. Right? And so to go into this knowing that you're not going to be too, I guess, not to put words in your mouth, but too concerned with money.
• 6:49
  how things go because you just want to learn is incredible and wow to the discipline.
• 6:57
  Well, that's something that, you know, I realized very early on that, you know, there are some advertisements, but they're going to look at the metrics in your numbers, right? They want to, there's people who are like, well, let me see what you got. Let me see your downloads. Let me see your follows. And like, I've gotten asked that and I've had people before who offered me money, but it might not be in line with what I wanted to do. And I'm not going to go ahead and muddy those waters, right? I'm going to go ahead and spend a year. I'm going to work at this. I look at it as like a master class that I'm working on. I'm looking at a master's degree, right? And so how am I going to be?
• 7:27
  a better, like we said before, you know, communicator, you know, interviewer, host, all those things that, you know, take time editor, you know, all the things, if you're doing it on your own, it's going to take time before it gets, you know, better. And then you can make it even better by putting in more years, more times doing the reps, man. And so, uh, you know, year two, I got a lot of partnerships and sponsorships. People would send me things to go test out. You
• 7:49
  know, rifles, you know, scopes or different types of equipment out in the field that I could be able to talk about and talk about it. I think they realized that there was some authenticity behind me that I wasn't just trying to go out there and get the dollar. And that built some type of, you know, investment equity in my business.
• 8:07
  brand because people realize it was going to be an organic kind of thing. Like George isn't just going to BS to try to get a couple of dollars. I'm not going to sell myself out or the integrity of the show or my interviews and who I interview. I'm going to go ahead and focus on doing it right. And what I wanted to do and man, I've studied a lot of other people who have been able, I've been able to look at them and you know, I've,
• 8:28
  checked you out and like listen to things that you've promoted. And really that's helped me to be able to step up my game because you're learning about people who have been there before and there's always people that are ahead of you. And if you can go ahead and study what they're doing, I think that that's something you can kind of get your leg up on, you know, moving your own brand or podcast or, you know, whatever it is you're trying to do forward, study, study, study, and put in those times, put in that rep.
• 8:52
  during year one and year two, or even, hey, you know, your third year into it, do you go back and listen to your episodes and sort of self-critique? Or are you like, all right, it's in. I think I know what I did wrong. I won't do that again for the next episode. Like, how do you self-improve? Because it seems like...
• 9:09
  You're teaching yourself. You're talking about a master class. Well, you're the master instructor, and you can listen to all the different courses or podcasts about podcasting. You can go to YouTube University. But at the end of the day, it's about putting in the work. And so what have you learned from yourself that has been the most valuable tool in your three years of doing this?
• 9:30
  You know, I think that's it's a great question. You know, to the first part of that question, every year I'll go back. I used to do it on my birthday where I would think about the year past and I think about my year future. And I evaluate what I've done, where I've brought in successes, my failures, the things that I need to hone in on for that next year. And I put a focus in on that.
• 9:51
  I did the same thing with the podcast. Whenever I hit that year mark, I did a kind of year in review and what's coming up. And I kind of did the same thing. But I spent that whole week going over and looking at the things that I what can I improve on? Or can I can I should I go into this level of guests or whatever? And a lot of times I learned, too, that if I leveled up and I went for the big ask, man, I went to try to get that next level.
• 10:14
  level CEO or whatever it is, or musician. And I decided to not worry about, you know, just focus on the what ifs. That was something that it landed me some incredible people and also getting very uncomfortable doing live podcasts. Man, I did my first one with Jack Carr and this, you know, you and I met at a Jack Carr event where you were doing it over at Murder by the Book. And then I ended up getting in on it the next year when he came through. Yeah.
• 10:44
  And it was like a blackout moment, man. I'm trying to remember the Will Ferrell film, Old School, where he like has this debate about economics with one of the world's leading economics. And he totally like at the very end of it, he's like, what just happened? Where am I? That's how I felt at the end of that podcast. I was I was nervous. I've been on stage in front of tens of thousands of people throughout my career. I've toured. I've, you know, given different, you know, speaking engagements before, but I was out of my element and I got so uncomfortable and I got comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 11:11
  So a lot of those things in these podcasts, man, I challenged myself that next year with guests that maybe a step up above. And a lot of them looked at that resume of the people I had year one, and that built my year two. And year two built my year three. I wanted to be the drummer for Nine Inch Nails growing up. I reached out and I interviewed the drummer for Nine Inch Nails. I was about as close as I can get in that position. Are you kidding? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really –
• 11:34
  Yeah. Wow. Months back. He was on the show. Elon. Yep. But like that was something where now having that that's opening up the doors for other musicians. You know, I got Michael Fronte. I'm reaching out to a bunch of other people that now I think because I have that resume builder of guests. Yes. And that's something that I think is really huge for people who are looking to do a podcast like.
• 11:54
  reach out to those people you and be very valuable with their time right valuable with your own time but be valuable with theirs man if you say i need 15 to 30 minutes don't try to stretch it into 45 do exactly what you say you're going to do and then now i usually ask for an hour from some of these people because they might be used to doing two hour ones but i don't want to take that much time or if they say man i only got 30 minutes all right cool hey we can do it in 20 if you want and then hone in on those questions get right to the point you know
• 12:23
  And do the prep work, which is something that I admire about you. And I think we are cut from the same podcast cloth in that we know the importance of reading the damn book. Oh, my gosh. You know, I can't tell you how many times that I've had somebody that's like, wow, you actually knew the name of my book. You actually knew the name of my book? Like, not just...
• 12:45
  You read the book, but you knew the name of it. Like there are actual hosts who don't know the name of the book of the guest. And you talk about just pissing all over someone's time. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I will spend a week or two weeks every day driving in the office. I'm listening to podcasts with the guests that I'm going to be interviewing if they have one. Yeah.
• 13:05
  And on the way home, I'm doing that. And whenever I'm taking my breaks into the night, I'm not scrolling just for nothing. I'm going ahead and I'm focusing on things. I want them to like you ever heard of the guy, is it Narwhal, the guy who is up in Canada? He's like the interviewing savant. Like he'll go to like Snoop Dogg and he'll be like he'll throw me. Here's a VHS of your very first tape you ever put out where there's only 15. He's like, how did you find this?
• 13:29
  And there's people who are like, they've walked off the sex. Like, I don't know how you know what I did in 10th grade in the English classroom and what I wrote on the desk. How'd you know that Ryan was there? Whatever it is, he is like, he goes to such great detail and it's inspiring. And I looked at that and I was like, you know what? I want to wow my guests like that. And if I do that and I can show them that I've actually studied and I'm interested in that I've invested time, you know what's going to happen? I'm going to get a better interview.
• 13:54
  I'm not going to get the boilerplate answers. I'm going to get something else. I'm going to ask them something that maybe other people didn't about that book that they've written. And it's going to be content gold. And they're going to be like, at the very end of it, I always do another thing too. I might wait a week. I might wait two weeks. But I always go back to them and I ask them for a review.
• 14:11
  And on my website, I have a review page. And all my guests, almost all of them, they've written back and they've given a review. What was your experience like? It's almost like a report card. I want to know. And when we hang up that, when we stop hitting record and we're talking for the last few minutes or whatever before we kind of end our conversation, I ask them what they think. And I try to get valuable insight. And some that have stayed on and shared some of those things with me, it's been invaluable. So go and reach back out to your guests. You'd be amazed at what they may say or –
• 14:41
  what they've written will help open up a future door for you. Two things on that. One, what you're talking about reminds me sort of of Michael Malice's show, your, your welcome, not your welcome, but your welcome. We're at the very end of the interview. He asked what the favorite part of the interview was, which is immediate feedback. Yeah. And then two, what, what,
• 15:04
  What is so cool watching you grow your show is that you'll be so badass at interviewing somebody that the press person or the PR rep is like, we know this is a real one, and I know that we can count on him. We were talking about our guy at Simon & Schuster.
• 15:24
  David. Yep. And this is a guy, and he doesn't just give his authors who are Jack Carr, Stephen Hunter, he doesn't just give them to anybody. This is like a trust thing, you know? Yes, people want to promote their books and promote their movies or whatever, but at the same time—
• 15:43
  You don't want it to be a waste of their time. And I mean, we're talking like Jack and Steven and all the other guys that are on the, you know, Brad Thor. These guys have made all the rounds. And so when it's like when you put in the work like that, you're building trust with another third party who you never know has clout that can get you somebody else that might not be with Simon & Schuster. But maybe he, you know, because it's a small community.
• 16:11
  It really is. Small community. They all talk. That was a huge thing for me, too.
• 16:16
  really making sure that I reach back out and I'm communicating effectively with those folks and letting them know what it is that I'd like, Hey man, if you've got anybody who's coming into town and you want to do a live podcast, I'm down for that. And really just opening up the opportunities. And I can't tell you how many phone calls I've gotten from that. I've gotten, you know, repeat times with some of those authors. I've got them all queued up here for the summer, that kind of genre that he works with. And those are people, whether it's going to be live or whether it's going to be, you know, over a remote call, um,
• 16:44
  Uh, he was somebody who was like, Hey man, I really like what you've done. I can tell that you did the homework. And with that kind of praise and that kind of acknowledgement, I know that if there's someone that's coming through that I've, I'm interested in. And that's also set myself up to other Simon and Schuster authors that aren't in his division that I'm like, Hey, I've done this. Like we've heard, or they've reached back out to David. And that's been a resource where he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Blitch is good to go.
• 17:10
  Yeah. And then they'll send me some books for me to read and, you know, do the work, read the book and all those things. But that is something that, no, it's a good point, man. A lot of PR people, those agents, those are very important. Those are gatekeepers to maybe your paths to success. Yeah, absolutely. And I've got a bit of a I've got a bit of a hack. It's kind of a hot take. And I wouldn't normally I don't tell this to everybody. You ready for this? I'm ready. OK, so there was one time that I was.
• 17:37
  I sort of, quote unquote, to one for the team. It was like somebody I, they were interesting, but it wasn't someone that I was just dying to have on. So I.
• 17:45
  agreed to the interview. It's not me, is it? No, it's definitely not you. And it was definitely not a Simon & Schuster book. It was like someone else who I barely know. So that's why I'm saying this. So I knew that I wanted to get some, I wanted to be in good with this person. So I took the interview that I, I was like, they're cool. It's not really my wheelhouse, but I'm doing a favor, right? Take them over the team. Well,
• 18:10
  It's like my subliminal unconscious mind was like, yeah, screw that. I'm not reading the book. It's like middle, it's like middle grade humor or middle grade. It's a middle, middle grade novel. I'm not reading this book. Well, I'm like, okay, so the interview is tomorrow. It's nine o'clock at night. I better do something. And.
• 18:29
  I read like one of the first chapters and then I read something in the middle and then one of the passages in the middle, I'm like, ooh, this is actually kind of a cool passage. I highlighted it and then I read some of the end. And then I went in and I devised my questions based on what I read, not the whole book. And when I brought that passage up, they were just elated.
• 18:56
  And they thought I read the book. And I felt like a terrible person because I did not read the book. And I also didn't say, well, I don't want to call myself out to this person. Like, yeah, George, I didn't read the book. That's a great hack. But it's a great hack if you're like busy, but you want to have a podcast. But you really want to interview somebody. And time just slipped away because, I don't know, maybe you're a single parent or you're just working 70 hours a week that week. And you just don't have the time. Just read three chapters.
• 19:26
  It's a huge thing, man. And I think some of the stuff that we've done before when we get a book that hasn't been released yet. Right. And so we're looking at the galley copy. Yeah. There's no audio book out there. There's no notes. There's nothing that you can look up. So you kind of have to do that work. And I don't shortchange it if I'm going to go ahead and do that. But I have had guests on that. Maybe it's kind of a gateway to the next guest. Right. And I know exactly what you're talking about. I've done that. And I've also had some podcasts that.
• 19:55
  They've been shelved. I had two different ones that I've done that did not turn out the way I wanted it to. And then I realized, is this how I want to represent myself? Whether it was just the guest just wasn't on that day or, you know, maybe the subject matter was kind of a little different. I had someone who was getting way political and stuff.
• 20:13
  I don't want to throw a divide in here because my audience is mixed and everything. And it's like I'm trying to keep that out of that. You know, sometimes it comes in if it's maybe if there is somebody who has some political affiliations or whatever. But I try to not kind of I don't want to knock people off the listenership board. Right. And that was one where I was like, I just can't put this out. And I had another one that the guy just kind of.
• 20:33
  It just didn't work out well. It was not a good interview. And I realized, like, that's when I can shelf. I have that ability to do that. Or if you've got to edit some stuff out, because I had one guy who was talking trash about someone else who was in the industry. And I was like, I don't want to be associated with this. So I edited it out. And I thought, I'm not going to have this guy back on. And the podcast feed is forever, man. Yes, it's there. That gets out. And it's like, wait a minute. This George Blitch guy? Yep. Let him do it.
• 20:58
  Talk crap about me? Yes. And it's people who I've done work with. So I was like, whoa. And I just realized right then and there, I was like, I almost wanted to step out and be like, I don't want to interview this guy anymore. But I finished the job. We got great stuff there. It was content that was very good. But that one little careless thing on his part was something that could have alienated him and me as a result, too, by association.
• 21:19
  What is your favorite interview hack? I think that the idea of going through and listening at a previous podcast that they've done at one and a half speed and gleaning through that and then finding like a little spot that maybe talked about something, or if they just kind of mentioned and skip over and I want to come back to that something that I know that they're passionate about. Yeah. And I love asking a question at the end. I've done it with probably like 80% of my guests because sometimes it doesn't work out in the context, but yeah,
• 21:47
  asking them about their legacy. How is it that they hope to be remembered the work that they've done personally and professionally? It's amazing what you can get from that because really it's an open-ended question that people are going to be passionate about in some form or fashion. And I, I think that that's one where if you can, you know, there was a guy who I worked with. I mentioned him earlier, Harvey Arden from national geographic was great writer, did work for there for like 25 years, bunch of bestselling books and his favorite thing to do. And he'd meet with these indigenous elders. He'd say, Hey,
• 22:16
  Would you care to share some wisdom? He would just sit down and let them talk. Ask questions that you can let them talk. People sometimes want to talk about themselves or the project they're doing and they want to promote it. Figure out the questions that can let them talk about their passions. It's real easy. It's real easy.
• 22:35
  So that's it. I don't know if it's much of a hack more than it is kind of a one-on-one in my opinion, but I can't tell you how many podcasts I've listened to that, you know, they haven't valued the time. They're not asking the right questions and the things aren't meaningful. And you can hear the disdain in some of the guests' voice. Like they're like, I'm ready to be done with this. Yeah. And they rush through their answers or you don't get them to open up like you hope they will. Right. And that's the beauty of having a podcast is that you can go there.
• 23:02
  You have the time. And if you block off a half an hour, a half an hour is so much time to spend with somebody. So it's like if you have a podcast and you have a list of dream guests and you eventually end up with that list of dream guests, 30 minutes alone on Riverside.fm or Zoom or whatever or in person at a bookstore, that is gold and that is something that you can have that very few people don't.
• 23:30
  Very few other people can do. You know, it's like you're in an elite club. You know, like we're in the Jack. We're in the Jack Carr club. Yeah. It's so cool to be able to interview Jack Carr knowing damn well the days before he was on Rogan. Yes. Yes. Like how close you are to that kind of greatness, you know. I mean, that's it. But we didn't get there.
• 23:54
  By being lucky. Right. We got there by doing the hard work. Yep. That wasn't guest one for you or I. Right. It was guest whatever, hundred. You've done this a lot longer than I have and have sharpened those edges and you know what you're doing. I got lucky in some ways because also there's people that I had worked with previously and I think there was a little bit of the network that I had created. And that's something, too, that I think it's worth mentioning.
• 24:18
  This, even if your podcast isn't going to be the million download podcast that you hope that you can retire off of, it will help you with your networking to be able to take that next step in something else. And whether it's growing your own business, your own brand, or working with someone else, or even finding yourself another job.
• 24:38
  interviewed with meat eater. Like I'd sent in my resume. I hadn't ever done a resume until a month ago, ever in my life. Not one time. Are you serious? Nepotism and friends, you know, I mean, there's, there's so many, well, I work with my father, right? I mean, but the idea too, that like I've, I've kind of gotten invited to be in jobs and a lot, there was times when they said, where's your resume? I said, I'm right here. Ask me whatever you want. And that was a bold thing. And it could have just opened the door and told me to get out, but they were like, oh, okay. And maybe I was too lazy to write one. That wouldn't.
• 25:06
  That's a very alpha male thing to do. I'm right here. I am. I'm like, what do you want to ask me? Let's have a conversation. I am the resume. I am the resume. But I ended up putting together one, and it was through my networks of interviewing 10 different people in that whole umbrella of company.
• 25:22
  That I ended up, you know, feeling like, okay, I'm going to go and put it out. It didn't work out. I didn't get the call back. But you know what? I went through those steps. Now I got a good resume. But it was something that I was like, maybe this is a job of partnership director. And I was like, man, this is, I love doing this kind of stuff and networking. So I thought I'd throw my, you know, my resume in. Oh, man.
• 25:40
  That's great. But the networking thing is something it can be. This can be a bridge to something else. Maybe you're not going to be doing podcasts the rest of your life. But it's going to be very beneficial no matter what you're using it for. It is such a huge tool in the toolbox that people are not using. Start a podcast. Get your network going. Interview the cool people and have fun doing it. Yeah. Have fun. You're going to get burned out at times. Take your breaks. Make sure you enjoy what you're doing. No matter what it is you're doing in life, man. Right?
• 26:08
  I love that. Final question. Who is on your Mount Rushmore of podcasters? Joe Rogan, without a doubt, is up there. Steve Rinella with Meat Eater, who Joe Rogan convinced him to do that. They traded off like, I'm going to teach you to hunt. You can do the podcast. Gotcha. I think Jocko Willink is a great one. Yeah.
• 26:33
  Freddy Cruz. Oh, no. You got to have four on the Mount Rushmore, right? Oh, man. You got to have four there. I don't deserve to be in that Mount Rushmore, man. I will say, man, you inspired me greatly to get into this game and to become the best I could. And I really appreciate what you're doing for other people, man. You're helping build success left and right with other people.
• 26:54
  Opening up to another level of things. No, it's for real, man. And anybody, I suggest if they're looking to get involved, man, to call you because you know this. You've gone through this. And you know the ropes. And you inspire me, man. You're up there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That was way too kind.
• 27:11
  Well, you gave me a chocolate bar, so I figured, you know, I owed you at least something, right? Oh, dude. Okay, so the Son of a Blitz podcast, wherever you get your podcasts. Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Odyssey, Amazon, GoodPods. There are 10,000 different podcast apps. Look them up. Son of a Blitz podcast. What episode should they start with?
• 27:32
  Man, this last one I did was pretty fun with Kip Foulkes. I have one with Giannis Patelos from Meat Eater that was a lot of fun. The one with Princess Goes, it's Michael C. Hall, the guy who plays Dexter. He's in a band, which is incredible. And the other guys in the band played, like, Blondie. And, I mean, they've been with everybody. But that's a fun one for music. And then, yeah, there's a lot of different people. I think there's going to be a little something for everyone there. So, yeah, scroll through. But those are three good ones to start with. Fantastic.
• 27:59
  Appreciate you coming by the podcast, man. Thank you very much, man. Appreciate it. It's always an honor. All right.