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Episode 205 | Fare Thee Well · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: I took the role of lead singer Parang Rama in a reamer.
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: Fans heard of my Parang band 2000's flocked the grandstand.
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: The welcome was the MC.
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: When he introduced me he was jumping like a naval To my rendition of Serenal.
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: Alpagata, alpagata, unurum unuparata, maria, maria, maria.
• 1:15
  Speaker 4: Mi corazon.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: From Pada, spain, to Paisabad.
• 1:19
  Speaker 3: Everybody do crazy mad.
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: Maria Maria, maria, mi corazon.
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: Everybody do crazy man, maria maria.
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: I sang on the annunciation to show my appreciation.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: Then the crowd went wild.
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: I sang on the boat of the child.
• 2:05
  Speaker 4: My next song, an album with good rhythm.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: Across them two.
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: Please break down a second time To see this parent sing a rhyme Muchachita, muchachita, famubaila, famubaila.
• 2:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now I'm listening and I forgot how to talk.
• 2:21
  Speaker 5: Welcome to episode 205.
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: Welcome to episode 205.
• 2:28
  Speaker 5: Welcome to episode 205 of the Corey Shepard Podcast.
• 2:31
  Speaker 5: Welcome to the Christmas.
• 2:32
  Speaker 5: Is it Christmas time?
• 2:33
  Speaker 5: Yet we smack dab in the middle of December, just so, just so.
• 2:48
  Speaker 5: School closed, children home, they eating out of house and land.
• 2:52
  Speaker 5: What are we doing about the Christmas groceries?
• 2:53
  Speaker 5: Because it's recession, us money hard to find, you know.
• 2:54
  Speaker 5: Are we having a hardship kind of Christmas?
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: Are we having a Christmas, a bountiful Christmas, or are we having a scrunter kind of Christmas?
• 3:03
  Speaker 5: What kind of Christmas are we gazing up for?
• 3:05
  Speaker 5: I want to know One of my favorite Christmas tunes before I get.
• 3:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, I own only some topics, to be honest.
• 3:10
  Speaker 5: I listened back to the last few episodes and I realized but wait, it's about a month since me had talked about nothing.
• 3:14
  Speaker 5: So we're going to catch up on it today.
• 3:18
  Speaker 5: But I couldn't really do it without having some Christmas tune lined up, right, because I promise people well, not even just promise.
• 3:26
  Speaker 5: People know by now that I would have done switching to Christmas mode already.
• 3:30
  Speaker 5: But they hammer up and down and all over the place, and I have a few special ones to play for you for this episode for 205, right.
• 3:37
  Speaker 5: What better place to start than here?
• 3:40
  Speaker 5: Done here.
• 3:49
  Speaker 5: This is the time of the year.
• 4:11
  Speaker 4: Most people start to prepare.
• 4:13
  Speaker 4: Unconsciously, we sing the refrain Christmas is here once again Anxiously.
• 4:19
  Speaker 4: Your paws start to raise.
• 4:20
  Speaker 4: The radio say ten more shopping days.
• 4:23
  Speaker 4: So is a hustle and a bustle in preparation For the Christmas celebration.
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: Christmas is yours, christmas is mine.
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: A feeling of joy, it's so divine.
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: So let us all rejoice and let the voices sing Glory to the newborn King.
• 4:47
  Speaker 4: Is now mummy worrying About getting some new curtains, and then, of course, the usual quarrel when he forget to buy the sorrel.
• 5:17
  Speaker 4: Mummy.
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: Blood pressure cause a big headache.
• 5:20
  Speaker 4: No currants and raisin to make fruitcake.
• 5:23
  Speaker 4: Daddy money short, he inN-R-L jam.
• 5:26
  Speaker 4: We are short if we eat in ham.
• 5:27
  Speaker 4: Christmas is yours, christmas is mine.
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: A feeling of joy, it's so divine.
• 5:37
  Speaker 4: So let us all rejoice and let the voices sing Glory to the newborn.
• 5:46
  Speaker 5: King, you know, when I line up music for episodes like these, right, and I listen to 100, good, I have some gripe with Christmas music.
• 5:56
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll get into that first before I get into Fitzgerald Hines and the likes, right.
• 6:00
  Speaker 5: But I wonder sometimes if the amount of Christmas music 100 plays, if it makes sense for me to have a Christmas episode here.
• 6:07
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 6:09
  Speaker 4: A different breeze start to blow, you get goose pimples from head to toe and then the music begin to play Leading up to Christmas Day.
• 6:18
  Speaker 4: I know the spirit gripping you tight.
• 6:20
  Speaker 4: It's Parang and Karan filling the night and before you could wink, you yourself can't believe you're right into Christmas Eve.
• 6:28
  Speaker 4: Christmas is yours, christmas is mine.
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: A feeling of joy, it's so divine.
• 6:36
  Speaker 4: So let us all rejoice and let the voices sing Glory to the newborn King.
• 6:47
  Speaker 5: Like we'll hear these things two, three times a day on 100.
• 6:50
  Speaker 5: You want to come and hear this again here?
• 6:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, if you give me the chance.
• 7:11
  Speaker 4: Christmas, we must remember, means the birth of our Savior.
• 7:12
  Speaker 4: It's too late, then, to make a start To keep Him in our hearts, because it's he who recommends Peace and goodwill to all men, so that we can share without any fear, greetings, true and sincere.
• 7:27
  Speaker 4: Christmas is yours, christmas is mine.
• 7:33
  Speaker 4: A feeling of joy, it's so divine.
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: So let us all rejoice and let the voices sing glory to the newborn king one of the best arranged songs for the whole of the christmas season.
• 7:56
  Speaker 5: Well, we're gonna have a top 100 um soka, parang and parang chu.
• 7:59
  Speaker 5: Hey, my gripe with the christmas, right, when I listen back to music and that's what I was saying last week.
• 8:06
  Speaker 5: But we've been top 100 list, right.
• 8:07
  Speaker 5: If I make a top 100 list of any genre, it my age will show in the list.
• 8:13
  Speaker 5: But one of the things when I listen back to these songs is that when I listen to a song like that, well constructed, well put together, you know, I mean a whole story from beginning to end, covering all the different parts of Christmas too.
• 8:26
  Speaker 5: You know, because the Christmas actually Christmas if you think about it from a cultural standpoint, right?
• 8:31
  Speaker 5: Actually, christmas is the music and the parang and the caroling and them kind of things, right?
• 8:35
  Speaker 5: So look to the Hinksons who went up in the marionette choir.
• 8:40
  Speaker 5: You know what the hell the name of the show is in the back choir.
• 8:42
  Speaker 5: You know what the hell the name of the show is in the back that?
• 8:43
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 8:44
  Speaker 5: The Marinettes have their annual Christmas show.
• 8:46
  Speaker 5: When he tell me about that, I immediately miss Joyce, caesar and the Southern Years Choir.
• 8:51
  Speaker 5: You know what I say I feel like emptiness there immediately.
• 8:54
  Speaker 5: But Marinettes known for putting on a great show year after year, but them is the things we make up with, but the food of course, and the drinks and the liming and them kind of thing and the downtime as if we was working hard whole year.
• 9:07
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 9:08
  Speaker 5: We take the Christmas as a kind of break, break from what I don't know.
• 9:12
  Speaker 5: Of course a part of the Christmas is the gift giving and you know the looking forward.
• 9:16
  Speaker 5: You know the looking forward to what you will get and who thinking of you during the Christmas time.
• 9:20
  Speaker 5: Part of Christmas is always the check, this one you have to pass by this family.
• 9:24
  Speaker 5: You have to go by when you get married.
• 9:25
  Speaker 5: Now you have to go by the in-laws.
• 9:26
  Speaker 5: Which day you go spend.
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: You go spend Christmas home.
• 9:28
  Speaker 5: You go boxing day by your mother and then the day after boxing day you come back by my mother.
• 9:35
  Speaker 5: But you know you don't want to stay by your mother too long.
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: No-transcript could be a struggle and I was talking to palestice there and she say we had made a decision some years ago.
• 9:59
  Speaker 5: So look at my guy, nick dean.
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: We kind of say, hey, what we done with gift exchange and gift giving right, and I see my father and his wife do this a year.
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: You know we was doing um, we was doing Christmas.
• 10:10
  Speaker 5: He used to make a big deal right of when we get together for Christmas because my sister living with her mother, I live in home by my mother and you know so it's a big thing when we all of us get a chance to get together for Christmas and I always remember them times sitting around the Christmas tree, the anticipation of the gift and almost as if even from childhood, that anticipation and the waiting and the fact that I have a gift to give meant a lot more to me than the actual gift that you get.
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: You reach, they start to reach your age where the gift you're getting don't matter as much as the hype that built around it.
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: And I always remember a year my father and his wife exchanged gifts and we and me and janelle, we exchanged gifts and everything, and it was two of them keep laughing.
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: I try to figure out well what they're laughing at.
• 10:53
  Speaker 5: You know I mean not realizing that with all the hustle and the bustling preparation, according to relator, right them, forget to buy gift for one another and she take one of his jeans and wrap it and he opened the jeans and pretend like, if you know, just for the spirit, because sometimes the spirit or anything is what matter more than the actual gift.
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: So mrs and I would with under under neck guidance of course decide, listen on the special occasion times, the anniversaries, the birthdays.
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: We don't really do the gift giving thing too much.
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: We try and make sure we have some experience tied to it at all times.
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: But she was just talking about how much pressure.
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: I never realized I was a man.
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: She said boy, it's real pressure to buy a thing for you.
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: I said I don't understand.
• 11:38
  Speaker 5: I, to me I was the easiest man to like.
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: Like Rembunkshion, sing a song every year.
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: We only get socks and drawers.
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: I good with that.
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: You know, once you find out the socks and the drawers I just buy.
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: You can give me that for the rest of my life.
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: Me, a changing nothing.
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: I very close to Steve Jobs now you know, to wear the same shirt, the same jeans and the same shoes every single day.
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: I done looking for a pair of new balance to buy already, you see, at my age, because the way thing going with my knee and yard right is something.
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: I need some kind of new balance Because this whole balance ain't working out at all.
• 12:07
  Speaker 5: But in Trinidad, christmas have a spirit and an energy and a vibe to it and I wonder if a part of what I feel during Christmas is because I was born in 1980.
• 12:17
  Speaker 5: So the first 10, 12 years of my life was a recession when not having was a part of the christmas thing, because there was a special feeling about getting a ham christmas time, or pastel and sweet bread well, let me play this wherever you like.
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: Around christmas time there was a special feeling about the abundance, right, because christmas now you have a choice of what you want to drink.
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: You could drink soft drink or shandy or um ginger beer or sorrel so much different thing available in the house.
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: Or when you, when they make food yeah pastel, yeah ham, yeah pea.
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: The truth is that we didn't really have that much abundance every single week, so it was something to look forward to.
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: All.
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: I always remember I have a little brother named my jonathan.
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: Salute my boy, jonathan.
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: Right, we were in, we went to go on vacation somewhere and of course, a big part of the vacation time we go on tobago plantations or wherever the place have a pool.
• 13:11
  Speaker 5: So daddy was saying, well, johnny, you love this pool, boy ain't coming out of this pool.
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: We had to build a pool home.
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: And jonathan, in his wisdom, he couldn't be more than definitely under 10, but a small child.
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: And he say, nah, I don't want to pull home.
• 13:27
  Speaker 5: And I thinking, boy hush your mouth, let me hear a pool number.
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: What the hell is wrong with?
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: I try to see.
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: But any man I help has hush.
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: Why are you looking for a pool?
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: But he said, no, I don't want to pull because if we have a pool home, what will I look forward to when we go on vacation?
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: Out of the mouths of babes and something you know.
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: I never really thought that way, but I wonder if, beside the fact that, uh, I was a young hen back then and I was a old foul, you know, I mean the special feeling around christmas to me have a lot to do with the fact that we didn't have much.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: So when somebody give you something, you know somebody sacrificed to give you the thing.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: They had to put a lot of thought into it, because the budget wasn't unlimited.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: Like some of the listeners to this podcast, you know you had to put a lot of thought into what you give and it's not.
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: It's you're getting something from a loved one who not just going and pick up this and buy this for you every day of the month, of the year, and all of you know you could just buy it at random times or it might be something that you had your eye on and wanted, but you put, especially as a man, right who you are, the householder, and you might have something that you wanted that you not buying or you wouldn't just go and pay for, because you're studying, not just the bills that have to pay next month.
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: I studying what, what the bills are to pay for the rest of the year and and if work slows down, so I might be holding on to that and you see, somebody get a nice little T-shirt.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: They feel good.
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: But I guess, in the Americanization of the thing, and keep in mind that from 80 to all, 80, to 83, to four of them years, sorry, 80 to all, 90 something we now start to get.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: I don't remember rainbow cable and Transnation or whatever the hell the people name was.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: It used to be 34 and 35 channels, more channels than you could believe, and we live in a time where we was done beyond the negative list.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: Nobody wasn't traveling as much as people could jump on a plane now, run and come back, and all.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: It was not as prevalent then.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: People could jump on a plane now, run and come back, and all it was not as prevalent then.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: So when cable tv come in and everybody get excited about what happened in the states.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: And where's the promise of a winter wonderland?
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: You know I mean chestnuts roasting on the open fire.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: You know I mean when we get to want to see that we also wanted.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: The big toys are us thing and the, you know home alone and them things influence so much the, the cost of the toy, and then the, the brand name toys, start to come in on the brand name games, because not enough to get a top on a top on your little marlin or your bus, a little cabai, them things where we used to make we own toys and support people in the area.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: You know I mean half the gifts I buy in long time coming from somebody who making something in st james, but it started to get to be brand name toy now.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: I remember when they buy hungry hippos for me I used to beg salute my boy, colonel king, every friday this man supposed to go.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: My mother is like come home by me and play hungry hippos.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: And you know what funny we grew up to be two adult hungry hippos now because all we call one another for his food.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: We call one another and say come, hungry hippo, come eat with me.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: The truth is that the Christmas changed and I'm wondering if, now that we have no more US to buy and we have no more flight to take and we have no more aeroports and we credit card have no more money, if there's an opportunity for us to get back closer to the traditions of our Christmas and the reality of what christmas looks like for us, and instead of spending all that set of money, right, instead of spending all that set of money and looking for this and looking for that and bringing in that and bringing gifts to, no, no doubt that gifts impress, right, but but we, we, we focus more on spending time.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Uh, and when I say spending time, not just spending time with one another, which is good, because I think we, we are a little bit good at that still, you know, because we go by this family and we go by that family, so spending, spending that kind of time, but also spending time buying gifts, because budget's limited, you don't want to waste money, uh, you want, you want to, you want to make sure that the person happy and they're surprised and they feel good.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: But we also, we also living in a world where that person might be again, we at the point now where maybe we can't walk in and buy things or we ought not to To brace for these few years of hardship that is to come right.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: They say seven years are plenty.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Well, and seven years are famine.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe it's an opportunity for us to do that and to see it differently.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: And this is where my conundrum comes from.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: In the music, right, because I listen to a lot of music before I decide was it five or six songs you're playing every episode, every episode, like me, tell you a documentary at this point, and when I listen to older songs, I'm starting to wonder if I am biased uh, or maybe just how biased I am to older music from around christmas, because when I listen to Relator and the way he put together that song, and I listen to some of the most popular Christmas songs, now, right, and the way they put together, I wonder if I'm just like, let me put it out there, right, my issue is that when I hear Rome singing, I want the porn.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Annie, give me the porn.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: I don't like that, I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: I find his song crass, his song crude, his song bad.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Admittedly, I always remember praying with my father, not understanding why he don't play certain kinds of music and them kind of thing.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Right, he used to say the same thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I always remember a man who sang Cat in Bag.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I find the Cat in bag song was nice.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: He man say I ain't buying cat in bag.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: And daddy vex the man playing the cat in bag and he's saying but is the song nice?
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Uh, he's a one-teeth kitty laughing, like me or whatever he used to say in his song.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Right, a little man around the prang long time, I suppose.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: But um, I wonder if when I listen to I want me brush neighbor with kenny jr, great recipes, late, great kenny jr.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I wonder if I hear in that true different ears, like, like that song don't bother.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Not that it don't bother me, because in all the years I play in parang and all the parang songs I know like if I go somewhere to play music there's no chance of me going by nobody and singing I want my brush neighbor.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't do it, I, I don't, it don't feel right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Let me play that way.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: So I more will sing like that crazy.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: I play first or relate or songs that more in the essence of what christmas really is.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: And you know, the crazy maria is a kind of funny double.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: You know not not double entendre, but it's a funny thing.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: He said, yeah, I sing spanish, but he went and he gave him some kind of muchachito.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: I, I like that and some of it you know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Crafty salute to keegs.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Right, I like the road that keegs as a, as an artist, who on that level of room, who in the mix now was, if you want to call them younger, uh, soca, parang men, then he makes.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: But keegs seemed and I don't want to put no knock on him because I'm also not saying anything like room music shouldn't play or be.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: That's just my personal preference.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: He should play it, people love it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: He booked for every christmas party he'd have, but it seemed to me like keegs trying to go down a road where his music more, uh, staying with the essence of what Christmas is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I just want to share that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: I'll tell them how I feel if I'm overthinking it, because, like I want a feeling to put something in your mouth.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: You know damn well what I'm talking about.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Again, I'm not going nowhere and sing that, but I accept that it's a song as harsh on my ears as I don't find that song that good, but in the essence, in the essence of a recession Christmas, it's a tune for that right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: One Christmas Eve, casually.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, one Christmas Eve, casually, I was walking down the street.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: One Christmas Eve, casually, I was walking down the street.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I was attracted by the voice of a little boy as he hold his mother's hands, telling her his plans, what you think the conversation could be.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: He said listen, mama, I want you to tell Santa Claus To bring a trumpet and a concertina for me.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I am lonely because there's no children here by me.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Ma, you don't know how happy your son will be.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: She looked at him very sad, as the water filled her eyes To realize that she hadn't the answer for his cries.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: She was so worried yes, so worried and so confused as he st stroll along the street no shoes on his feet, while they walk, he continues to repeat as he pleads listen, mama, I want you to tell Santa Claus To bring a trampoline and a consentina for me.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I am lonely Cause there's no children nearby me.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Ma, you don't know how happy your son would be.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I approached her and promised to give a helping hand.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: She said to me Mr Knopf, you can do the best you can.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I gave her money and asked her Miss, where you live.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That night, at twelve o'clock, I brought a lovely box the next day.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: She was so merry and gay when she heard listen, mama, I want you to turn Santa Claus For the concertina and the trumpet he brought for me.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy I have no time to take some tea.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, what a nice Godfather he is to me.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Big, big song.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: The man in the name of the song is Nap Hepburn, right?
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: If you don't know the name, nap Hepburn, just remember that as much as you love and know that song over the years, remember that Nap Hepburn was an MC in Calypso and them kind of thing, right, and sing some giant piece of tune Nap Hepburn after.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: But again, maybe the gratitude in the Christmas and the spirit of giving is what we need to get back to, because you're not getting nothing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: It's a rough Christmas.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: They think we're too much of giving and getting this year.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And, as I say, scarcity and choice, right, we're not dealing with years full of scarcity where the gifts hit the same.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I think a part of it is, you know, the gifts is for the like to create the experience for the youths and for the children and for the grandchildren and them.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I think we still have that in us for christmas.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But maybe, maybe, maybe, back to the spirit of christmas, back to the spirit of our training christmas which, to me, rooted in generosity, opening your home to people, giving them all that you have, it don't matter what you have.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: We come in to drink that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: We ain't care.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Nobody ain't watching no face, nobody ain't judging nothing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: According to Stacey and Zachary and all these people on TikTok, we listen when we don't judge right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: That's how we live.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: So generosity in the spirit of generosity, and who better to be generous to than yourself?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Pm accepts SRC's salary hike proposal.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Claims it's justified.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Don't feel, because I ain't talked about this for a long time.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: It off the list, right, I just push it further and further down the list.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Akash Samaru.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: The government has unapologetically accepted the recommendation of the Salaries Review Commission which will pave the way for a pay increase substantial in some cases for politicians and other public officers.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Breaking in silence on the matter, yesterday's post-Cabinet briefing, the Prime Minister said he accepts that some members of the public will not be happy with their decision.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: But the defiant Keith Rowley, which is a bit of a redundant sentence.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I bear that cross without fear of retribution.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: The 120th src report proposed salary increases from prime minister, opposition leader, mps, members of the judiciary and the police, commissioner, among others, and while the unc has outright rejected the proposal.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Usually we see the unc talk bad about it and then have a abstain when it's time to vote.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Let me just say the UNC, the opposition, the center going there and either vote with or abstain for salary increases.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: But the UNC say they vote against and they also say if them was in power they wasn't taking a cent, not one red cent.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Uh, the proposal will see this prime minister's salary increase from 59,000, call it 60,000, right To 87,000, call it 88,000, right, dr Rowley.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Oh God, well them fellas could give.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I wonder, when they get in there, when they accept it, when the money just kick in.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Only if it went through like you're working somewhere and it's a negotiation and all them things for back pay.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Listen, palace, they see you tell you.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I say sorry, let me talk easy.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: When she now come a teacher right, must be the second month when she come a teacher the negotiation settle.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I never hear so much question about back pay and pay increase in my life.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: I say, but like, like we were, because she started asking how much back pay and I said back pay, back pay for what you work.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: In two months and it's February, it's one of the months Month down, short, how much back pay.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: But when it's salary, I said, hey, it works.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: So not because they put it in the papers, meaning your salary will go increasing next day.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: I never see somebody scrutinize our payslip.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: So but they said the government accepts, accepts your recommendations to implement.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: It will uh, it will require a circular from minister of finance and the politics will start or it will end.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Uh, or the politics will start and it will end.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I guess I wrong him.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Collecting the increase.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Defending the position, dr roly said we believe that we bring value by working hard, by working honestly for the people of the country, and the benefits are there to be seen by those who want to see benefit.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: That's the best statement I've heard in my life.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: This is this is I.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: I couldn't.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: From now on, I am in prime minister training because I just come here and talk a lot of nonsense and these fellas haven't figured out to know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Here we say we believe that we bring value by working hard, by working honestly for the people of the country, and the benefits are there to be seen by those who want to see the benefits.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: You can't argue with that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: If you're looking for benefit, if you're looking for culture and back and all, or you're looking for corruption, you go find out like this statement.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know how to talk like this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: He said he anticipated that his decision would be used against him on the political platform with a general election due next year, but he said that he was ready for it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: And for members of the public who believe they should be ashamed for accepting an increase, the Prime Minister said and as for the people of the country who believe that if the members of the government and the parliament are in fact to accept the recommendations of the committee that is set under the constitution for that express purpose, it is for them to be ashamed, then so be it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: So be it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I thought he was going to give them some advice.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: He said well, to hell with your shame is what you come down to.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: I take full responsibility for advising the cabinet that after 13 years of this work that the members of government who run this country are a $6 billion enterprise and the acceptance of the SRC report, after 13 years of matter for the cabinet, and the cabinet should have no difficulty in concluding that matter in the way the government is saying we will conclude it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: I tend to agree the the provision there in the constitution.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: The SRC is independent of the government and the opposition or the whoever ruling party and the opposition.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: So under the current structure you can't really disagree with what he's saying they're there to be done.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: The src is an independent body technocrats and so on, so all is supposed to decide what's best for the country as a whole.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Right, as by guardian media.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: If he believes the new salary proposed by the office of the prime minister is fair and justifiable, he responded.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Whether it is fair or not is not the point.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Those who were given the assignment to do it have done it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: These are the recommendations.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: I accept it without more.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: On this occasion he even commended the work done by the SRC.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: I recommend them too.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Me is so good at maths, right, let me just work out that quick sum here, right, as a man is getting wrong all the time.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: 88 minus, call it 60, right, like 28.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: 28 over 60 is a 46 increase.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I want to call out my numbers on the air.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: But you calculate your numbers with me.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Don't call out your numbers hard, right?
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: You know you're lying to tell your wife how much you're working for her, so don't say it out loud while you're talking.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: But calculate how much you generally make and multiply that by 46% and add that on top of that and see how you're off here.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Where to go from here.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: He's asked what message he had for them.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Oh Guardian Media press him on the matter, saying that this was coming at a time when several unions are also making a case for a wage increase.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Asked what message he had for them, the Prime Minister said all of these matters are part of compartmental government business and every single one of them will be dealt with under the arrangements to deal with it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: It took 13 years for the src report to be where it is here in front of us, but before there was a time when you're dealing with public servants and giving them a 15 increase.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Pivoting to the position of the opposition leader on the matter, the prime minister urged the public not to be fooled by the unc.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Publicly, they could pretend they are not interested.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Privately, they are rinsing out the ears that they wanted.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I would not doubt that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: I would not doubt that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: You see, that's what he's saying there and this has nothing to do with PNM or UNC.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: To me, this has nothing to do with human being.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Economics 101.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: The first thing I ever hear in an economics class.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Salute to Mr Ram Singh, sal sing.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: So look to mr um, mr elder.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: The men who make me no one love economics.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: One of the first lessons is getting a first class of economics is that human beings are, by nature, greedy greedy, and you can replace the word greed with ambition and all them kind of things.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: We, we are never satisfied.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Insatiable appetite the more you earn is, the more you want to earn, you get something new.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: You start to look at something new.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: It's nothing wrong with it, right?
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Uh, it's just.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: It's just human nature.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Even if you're not, you don't see yourself as greedy, because we sometimes look at things and you look at somebody like me who like nice things and like to jump on a plane or like to do this, I like to do that, and you might say, well, nah, he greedy.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not greedy because I spend my, save my money.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: All that is greed too, because what we're trying to do is to have more than we had before.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: That is greed, that is, and we have much more.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: So, even if you're somebody who save a lot, like a frugal, you're making sure you're square.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: What you're saving the money for is to make sure you have more money than you had before, and you get you feel good when you see your balance increasing in the bank, because we are insatiable the more we have is the more we want.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: And even if you can't believe all that, do you want more for your children than you had for yourself in this life?
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Why, if the struggles make us what we are, why do ladies turn, struggle, shak, saying even no money for?
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: None of you say that I figured it out.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I believe that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: But we want the trend to do better.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Because of that idea of greed or ambition, or betterment.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: We think that more is better.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Right, it's by nature with human beings.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Right, this young generation has some hope.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: You know they like to.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: They're heading towards this minimalist life and thing.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: But what you agree, take over them to eventually.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: So I'm not doubting that any opposition or any person who in a position to get more money will take the more money.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And I'll be honest with let me give you my thoughts on this up front.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Right, I too, like brawlers.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I find if the src have a work to do and they might have proposed a new salary for the people who they have to propose a new salary for, and them men come and say 88 is where we need to land, I find they should accept it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: The only reason they should not accept it is if they find it too low.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they could do that if I, if I work in for 55 13 years ago and you come and you tell me 56, I could reject that and say now let come again, go and recommend something else.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, but if you're satisfied with it, if you look at position by position, based on the economy and maybe the six, the size of the economy is a good metric to use.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Maybe a good metric is growth of the economy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: It's so difficult because it's not those things not really directly within your control, you know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: But if some portion of your salary is a function of how you run the economy or the size of the economy, and I'm sure the src will take those, that's what the purpose of a body like that is for.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Because let me, let me establish that you need somebody who is reviewing the salaries of the people who run any country.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I want you to, for a minute, close your eyes, put your finger on your lip, fold your arms and forget the party in power, forget the party in opposition.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Just understand that, as I always say, the best and brightest people is the people who go and rise to the top to run any country and to run any government, opposition and party in power.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: And if you're not paying them people properly, you're leaving yourself open to several issues.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Because if they're meeting with men in oil and gas or men in manufacturing or cartel to sort of business and use the man who making the least money in the room, you have a problem.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I saw salute, um, I think it's gerald ferreira.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Tell me online.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: He said boy, I find you shouldn't pay these fellas nothing and let them make the money on bribes.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: I might like that idea a little bit.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: I might just like that idea a little bit.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Say openly whenever you make a deal with Shell or BP or whoever you think, or Sandals or who else you're making deals with, whenever you make your deals or Dragon, whatever deal you make, you will call the best deal for yourself out of that, whatever you could get for that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: All you bust it up among one another.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: I'm very close, I'm very close to being on the side of that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: I kind of like the idea and I'll tell you why.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Because, beyond the corruption and all the kind of all the other things that obvious, with underpaying public servants who make any biggest decisions in the country, because the purpose of our government is to decide.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Well, at least in a country like trinidad and tobago, the purpose of the government is to decide on how to distribute the resources to the country, what to do with the money when the country make money.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: They have to decide.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, am I going to give tobago all and let them go away?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Am I going to invest all of it in health?
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Am I going to put all of it behind crime?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Am I going to put it into programs like food card and you make a child get money?
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Or where the money going to go?
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: And then the provision of public goods, right, like the roads, the streetlights.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: We like the provision of some merit goods, to like healthcare and education and those things all the way up to tertiary.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: You could get a little blah if you don't have the money.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: So the role of the government is really to decide where those things go.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: They have a legislative role as well, to right, to decide what is law and all the laws decided.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: So, in other words, the government is decided.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: If man could lie with man, you know.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: I mean just in case you're interested in that.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure why this this rising first law that come to my mind, but the government is deciding on things.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: You don't want people who have that kind of power to stop you from doing what you really like and to lock you away for doing the things that make your heart full.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: You cannot have the worst people and the most unscrupulous people going up for those jobs.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Now how you go get the worst and most unscrupulous people to me is a trickle-down thing.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: It's not about the prime minister and what you're making, because if the prime minister making 50 000 or whatever the number was right, which is well below the people who make in the highest amongst the money in any corporation in the country and maybe even below some people who, if they have public, private arrangements, I'm gonna call no company's name, you know I mean or no, or no place's name.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: If you have public, privateprivate arrangements, I ain't going to call no company's name you know what I mean or no place's name.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: If you have public-private arrangements and you had to pay somebody to run that public-private arrangement.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: And them men responsible for big construction and some of the biggest projects that advance in the country and so on, and them men making more money than you or money that rivaling you and you deciding what kind of subvention they get.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: That could never be right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: That cut, that cannot work in the private sector at all.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I ain't talking about no company in particular.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Call the heart on them.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: But if you have a man who making maybe at the time before he passed away god bless his soul how much money would I be making?
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: If they're making 50, 60 now let me say it was 40 something and a man like call thehart, where you think we're going to happen If I make it three times, will you make it?
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I'm putting aside one third of my salary to hire me a spiritual advisor, slash priest, slash OB woman, and I'm making sure it's your flavor and I'm making sure all the link up to spiritually advised.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: It is corruptible, it is an issue.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: But more than just the corruptibility, if the top man making 50, what when I, when I'm going in there to be a counselor or to be a wall them, I don't know, is the lowest level of governance you could, you could enter to start making your way up to the top, because these days, like the top three, you know the top looking like it open.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: So if you look at men history, many of these men work their way all the way through the system of governance through party and so on and come up all the way from the council or whatsoever you call the place all the way up to the top right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: So if the top man making 40 and the man who now coming in, he making about 3,500.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: 3,500.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: For coming and taking pressure in your community and that kind of thing and be a spokesperson for the community and be a public face where all of a sudden your name known everywhere, people could say all kinds of things about you.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: You could hardly defend yourself.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: You get labeled and branded as a PNM or UNC.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: You can't get no work you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Or you get labeled and branded as a pnm or unc.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: A car gonna work you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: You don't want to send me as a famine and something.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: You could get 10 years of a hardship when pnm staying powerful so long because you went and put yourself there as a unc under pressure right at that level.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: You're never going to attract the best and brightest minds and the hardest working and the healthiest people and them kind of thing.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: If the salary is that the man who going to school and doing the right thing and walking the streets and so on, he's going to take his engineering degree, he's going to take his law degree, his ph, whatever he's called, not phd.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: What's the next one?
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: The medical degree, a business degree?
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: He's going to take those things and he's going to go into private practice and see how much money he could make If he go into government or public sector.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: He's going to go into a regular work where you could get money and Roger and them could go and negotiate on your behalf.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Or you go and stay in your father's business like Sergio and then stay and make money and do anything like Fares and you know you learn the ropes from them as they come along and you stay there and you're making money at that point in time.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Ropes from them as they come along and you stay there and you're making money.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: At that point in time you're not, you're not, you're never going to attract the best and brightest, and the best and brightest not attracted from the prime ministerial level or the opposition leader level.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: It attracted way lower down.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: You need young people who come in into this thing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I have a young fella to talk about today.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: You know who is the antithesis of everything I say in here, because if I was him, as a matter of fact, I am he right, I am he and there are plenty of he.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I see grow up around St James Men who, for whatever reason they take a different route than some of the other youths who was growing up in St James.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: They stay in school longer, they study, they advance themselves, they went and they learn different trade and do different things and I could tell you down to the number whether they invest in themselves, they learn under people, down to the.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Every single one of them went into private practice.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: They own their own business, they're running their own thing, they're coaching football men doing their own thing.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Men in our time to go and study the government thing.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Me personally, when I study, put myself up for politics and the first thing I had to study is the scrutiny that your life had to go through.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: The next thing I had to study now is my family, what they're going to say about me and this.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: I can't deal with that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Let me just say I can't deal with that At this point in my life.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that I can handle that and I'm telling you outright I and I'm telling you outright I cannot handle that for no, 50 or 60,000 a month.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I want to go as far as to say, without putting myself in too much problems, I feel like I could figure out how to make 50, 60,000 a month without that kind of pressure and you listening, thinking the same thing I go figure out a few things.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I go figure out a couple of things, I'll see how.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Even if I had to work two and three and four jobs or figure out this or how to invest this into this, run my own business.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is, I had to do it ain't going to be the same as Prime Minister.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: No matter why do I run and everybody's saying the worst about me, and that is a lot.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: That is a lot there.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: The worst about me, and that is a lot.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: That is a lot.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of pressure to go through.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I and I just done a man the simplest meeting I had tomorrow.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: I can't sleep tonight.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: You can imagine.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: I know me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: They're sending me now to meet with trump.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: I had to go and play brave and play like I may want to square up to nobody.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: I want, when I go and meet trump, we knock our glass and laugh and have a good time.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Me here for no set of hard meeting and nobody's stressing me out.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I got it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Look at that, I ain't looking older than Trump already and me ain't under any kind of pressure here.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: No, so I, from that standpoint, I don't think we should be discussing.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: If I'm on the SRC, the conversation for me is starting somewhere closer to between quarter million and half a million a month.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry to tell you for the prime minister and I'm working my way back down because many in the judiciary and them kind of thing these are positions that should be well paid, that the average young, bright, upwardly mobile youth should be looking forward to seeing how they could get a position like that or have the ambition to become prime minister or position leader or mp or senate or whatever the things are that they are getting.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: I, I I want to put it at a point where it remain aspirational a man must study, boy, I gain, I gain, I work here to be, to be ceo, a place like uni common courts and these kind of places, and or a place like nestle, trinidad and tobago or SMG Lee calling me for CEO, but them only want to offer me 180.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: If I go into politics and I win, I could win up to 250 a month.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I could earn that.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean I prefer that my conversation never.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Nowhere around 59 and 80,000 and them kind of thing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: It's not enough money.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: This is barely 10,000 years, a little bit more now, I suppose.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: Not going to work.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Not going to work for me, not, when I remember reading that Russell Latipi, as the head coach of the Soka Warriors of Trinidad and Tobago, who went nowhere beyond the hex after having qualified for World Cup, right Because they had Ben Hacker there when they were in the World Cup when it was 2010, russell Latipi was the head coach.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you that when Ben Hacker made, when we qualified for the World Cup, we were working with Sony at the time Sony glad they called us to ask us how to sponsor the national team because it was the biggest sign in CONCACAF at the time, money flowing into the team.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: I remember reading somewhere that Latipi's complete salary was 400 grand a month.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Now it's TTFF, right, so you might have never seen that money and I hope to God you're getting something like that too, or whatever you had desire.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: But if the man who's the national coach could make $400,000 a month, come on, we.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: We can't be so, um, we can't be so party specific and politics specific and individual specific that we can't see that these numbers, they're not making sense.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: So that's my take on the whole thing.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I will, however, say right.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: However, however, I will say that in conversations with my friends, they say the closest people to his friends, family and fools Right.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: The more I talk about this is, the more my head is getting slightly turned, and I could see why people aggravated about this issue, right?
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: So one of the issues is this I hear people talking about the negotiations now, when the government stance has been for a while now that we can't pay nobody, we don't have no money.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: All you and I only want to crash.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: I, I'm a big, big proponent of it's not.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: What you say is how you say it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: And let me play this we are all politicians.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Whether you're dealing with your children, you're dealing with your husband or your wife, you're dealing with work.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Politics is not governance.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Politics is how we interact with one another and how we could help advance our cause or advance our position when you're dealing with each person.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: So you're always in politics, right?
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: So in my political dealings, let me put it like this right, let me say in work, right, if I'm in work, right, if I'm working people, it's time to negotiate for increases and so on.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: I I do not see myself in a, in a, in a micro situation like that, scolding my team and telling them all you're always coming for more money and economy, and then, at the same time, turning around and having the same attitude or the same saying it in the same way when I increase my thing by 45, to say, well, that's the src, what can I tell you?
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: It's not negotiable, and that I I would not feel good about that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: But it's make me realize this whole thing, make me realize that me a bill for this kind of politics I get for low level, individual, micro level politics, because this above my pay grade, no matter what they increase my pay grade to, because I can't live.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: So and I saw, uh, kamala pesadis talking about not accepting it and I I was wondering like if, from a political standpoint, like wouldn't it have made sense if you have an election coming up I hear election calling this week, you know, and I think I'm gonna have an election on all them kind of thing people say in election before easter and all these things.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Right, I would think that I would basically use this as a political card to to say, hey, here we're going on src.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear all right now, you know, because they stayed the country and now we can't even finish, pay public servants, people and get it back paid.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: And I want you to remember that this four percent thing start from a statement by a man named colman saying zero, zero, zero.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know if people just forget, but the first set of negotiations, when the men now went back in power, they say you and she spent all the money and mismanagement and the offer on the table for a long time was was zero, nothing, nada, right For the first three negotiating years.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: The 4% is a big step up from where we were.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Salute to Dr Rowley, kudos to him for coming in and saying well, we had to do 15% to fail.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: They had done much larger percentages before.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: But the arrogance that has come from short man with that 0, 0, 0, and the talking down to you 000.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: And they're talking down to you, because keep in mind that I'm not negotiating in private sector.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: If a man negotiating for a salary increase, he negotiating for a salary increase tomorrow, he talking about January, and all that is part of my negotiation too.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: If you have a salary increase and a kick in.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: I talk about Q2.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Q2 next year.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: You have any money, but the truth is, in the public sector, they're negotiating for something they already work for.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: I have a partner who only tells me he on 2014 salary like 10 years ago solid.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: You're talking about something that you already work for and you're continuing to work under conditions that we all agree, regardless of what the figure is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: We all agree that the salary you're working for now does not reflect today's figures, right, whether it's four percent or I remember the zero, zero the first time.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: I want to only remember for me, you know, because my memory ain't great, but they went from zero, zero, zero to something like zero, zero, two, if I'm not mistaken, and and I suspect that the two come last to lessen the blow of the back pay, right, they would have made the back pay cheaper if they backloaded the two instead of front loading it, right?
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: So, again, the backdrop of everything that happened, even and I ain't talking about no noble cause, because I would have just said no, we can't accept this at this time.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I don't even want to this at this time, I don't even want to, as a matter of fact, disband the SRC.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: We're with our people and we're standing up with people.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: And if public sectors can't get 4% or can't get the money, the back pay and everything, we don't want nothing.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: You know the jack-o'-lantern willing to work for a dollar kind of thing, and then, to tell you the truth, they only re-elect me.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: I'm looking for half a million for myself, $450 for Colm.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: I was going to reject the opposition part.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: I said let them work for the $20,000 or whatsoever they're doing, let them stay down there, but I would have taken it from there.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: The more you talk to people about it, you start to realize that and keep in mind that the people who I'm talking to about this, these people who I consider learned people, as men who understand this and I'm talking about the average person here, right, even even I'm talking on the podcast I I I'm acutely aware that I'm not talking to the average mind or the average person, but sometimes it's about the way you do things.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: You know it's.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: It's about the how, like how you go about it, and I find that the more I hear from people Is the more you hear that PNM had no chance to win the election.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: You hear it more and more.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: They really don't have a chance at all, and no matter where it is coming, you ain't seeing power next time.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Line yourself up accordingly, right.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Line yourself up.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know where your contracts has come from and them kind of thing, but wherever your contracts has come from, make sure you line up your contracts and make sure you line up your.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: And if you have a PNM appointment now, the bags are packed and make sure you light up your and if you have a PNM appointment now, the bags are packed, ready to go.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you know what you're doing To say goodbye.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I'm leaving On a jet plane.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know when I'll be back again.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't mean to laugh at that.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: I'm just a joke is joke, but I'm joking, no fun.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: But they say change is coming.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Right, change is coming.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: And I I do expect the opposition to do a whole lot different.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: But again, that's me on the issue with, with the, with the src, and you know it's funny like I saw the src issue going on.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I was abroad, I was sick, I couldn't with with the, with the src, and you know it's funny like I saw the src issue going on.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: I was abroad, I was sick, I couldn't deal with it at any point in time and like I kicked the can down the road to talk about this for a while.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: And you know, I don't even know right now that me talking about this, if this is still an issue in the mind of the average trinidad is like.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: These politicians understand that you had to do what you had to do and weather the storm for a week or two.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: But no matter what happened, cattell will come and he will make some joke with Mark Bassant and all of you will go back to normal and all of you will forget it, right?
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: But is that?
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: Congratulations in advance to the UNC.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: If election call early and everybody write, all the pundits will write about it, and so on.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: And I just have a little tune to play here for all the PNM ites who was enjoying this time.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll get back to you, right?
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: We'll get back to you.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I woke up five o'clock this morning, as I am custom doing each morning.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: As usual, I head straight for the kitchen Right away.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I knew something was wrong.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Cake batter in a bowl, but the oven was cold, looking wrong.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I could find a spoon, not a protein was hanging the hands still wanting boiling.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I can't find my wife, yvonne, seems like she gone.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Yvonne, why is Christmas Day you choose, yvonne?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: You'll you have me so confused?
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: It's Christmas morning.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Look, neighbors coming and parents playing.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: You'll you don't?
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: know how I feel my heart is burning, my belly griping.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Look people laughing, yvonne, why you leave me so unborn?
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I love you baby.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Try me best to recollect me memory what happened the night before and such, but you know how things just get so big.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: When you had about ten drinks much, I came up with a plan.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: But let me tell you frank, I have one plus a white water tank.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Now I face with this problem that even find me children, the house quiet and empty, wishing, wishing Yvonne.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Why is Christmas Day?
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: True, yvonne, you'll have me so confused.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: It's Christmas morning.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Look, neighbors.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Neighbors coming and parang playing.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Julio, don't know how.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I feel my heart is burning, my belly griping.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Look people laughing.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Yvonne, why is Christmas near, Yvonne?
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: After talking all that about attracting the wrong people, right, I want to say salute to a guy who I've been following for a while now.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Marcel gets love until west.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: I may follow his following this story, but this is very, very encouraging.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: So let me read from the express.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Here is from alexander bruzal uh, hundreds of people showed up in support of the hopeful candidates at the pnm screening exercise at balize house the other night.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Melvin lane was blocked off to accommodate the screening of 15 candidates who were celebrating and cheering each of them nominees as they went in.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Uh, I always wonder, like people, who is going to support and if they may walk in no place.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: But I suppose everybody stands to benefit greatly if they can't get in place right to melvin.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Up to 7, 30 people still.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Coming to get to the point of the thing now, while each candidate had their own group, the largest appeared to be attorney kareem marcel, who is iron laventil.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: West seat incumbent fitch daryl hines dropped out of the race last week.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: That in itself deserves applause.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Right, that in itself deserves applause.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: I think we see the back of Fitzgerald Hines.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Well, they do him all kind of things.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Well, they make me and my him sleep in the parliament.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: Well, they kick dirty old water, drain water, flood water on the man.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Well, they do the man all kind of things, but he seemed to have a reputation for a minister or MPp, more so than anything else who is absent from the post.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: I remember he get social development and something and a man say you see this sprung in a man eyes when three window and he barely sound like it's unknown, even though too much you know.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, he barely sound like it's unknown, even though too much.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: But in a strange turn of events, on that and what, I don't know if I'm the only person who was surprised and caught off guard by this but all of a sudden you have Fitzgerald and he's not available for screening.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: He's gone In politics.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: To me that typically means that there's a golden parachute and men are going to give you when they get back in power.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: You get ambassador work, where you get some kind of diplomat work somewhere.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: The list is long.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: The list is long of people who go on brazil and who go on europe and who go on netherlands or which part of where they go.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: I know they go on in the states.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: They live nice, in new york and so on.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: The list is long of old senators, mps and ministers who get there wasn't people, people didn't like them.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: Like I don't know if he was a liked fellow as an MP, I don't know if he was a liked fellow as a minister.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Almost every ministry he was in was a problem.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: And I seem to remember good old Pato's right Sometimes it's only when you're dead and gone Good old Pato's was under fire because they used to say Pato's against Rastafarianism and he not giving fitcher all hines a chance.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: And the highest he ever reached under manning was a minister in the minister in the ministry of.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean about two, three ministers removed from the minister of whatever they wanted to put him.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: And I remember when rollers, teacup thing and everything come through and he got a little bit tough.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: One of the first things to say is well, he was fighting down fitcher, all Hines and Rowley Pull him in and make him minister in the ministry of two.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: But he got a few ministries.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Well, where he was the minister and it seems as though it's one of them things where he never really Work.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: No, work out, work out.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: So salute to him, thanks for your service and as usual, we always attune to play.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: I know, if they want me to believe that Fitzgerald walk up at the end and say you know what?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not working, so I'm going to vacate the premises and give it all.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: And when they ask Rolly, rolly say they ask him, you had a hand in that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: He say, well, I don't know nothing about that.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Wally want me to believe, but they tell the man Basika.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: So I went across to see what's really going on.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: She said I went for a piece of pork, just by Wellington.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: You know, when I come back home, the damn woman gone.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: So I ask her, Leroy, where your mother gone?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mother gone.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: She gone bad ass.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mother gone.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: She gone bad ass.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: She a wash the well, she a clean upstairs.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: She gone bad ass.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Your mother a put no hope on me.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I'm worried.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: She gone bad ass.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Little boy, where you move after?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: She gone bad ass.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mother gone.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mother gone.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: She leave the cake right in the oven.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Your mother leave the pastels upon.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Hey, leroy, where you move my gun?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Ba-da-da-do, ba-ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, take a drink and stop cussing.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Remember people listening.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: You say one, she didn't ask to go.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Two, she could have told me.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: So Three, what got me mad?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: She gone with me down Quattro.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm skinning Rolly right with Fitzgerald Garnett.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: She gone.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: Bad ass.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Hey Rolly with Fitzgerald gone.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: She gone, farrah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: Hey Rowley where Fitzgerald gone.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: She gone, farrah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: She a wash the way she a clean upstairs.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: She gone, farrah.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: The woman a put no glove on the arm she gone, farrah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Hey, leroy, where your mother gone?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: She gone, farrah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mother gone.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: She gone, far out.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Answer me where your mama at?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: She gone far out.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: She leave the cake right in the oven.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: She gone far out.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: The woman I put the clove on me hand she gone far out.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: But back to the man of the moment.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: Marcel took time before entering the Balise House to speak with his supporters who gathered in Melville Lane, thanking them for being there and assuring them that he will work for them if he was selected.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: One supporter, who gave his name as Stephen Johnson, told the experts that he was there to support Marcel because he believed that he could bring positive change to the Lavantel community and it was believed that he would put forth a younger perspective of what residents in the area were going through and what they needed.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: Before entering, marcel briefly told the media that he was happy to be at the screening and was grateful for the turnout that he received.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: It was confirmed overnight that he had been selected, so we all saw the fanfare for that and I don't know if you all would remember, but I do remember maybe a few years ago, early in the days of this podcast, I had featured curry marcel, uh, but of course based on the media's feature of him when they spoke about a young man from the beat I'm overcoming adversity to achieve his law degree.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: I remember when he passed the bar what, what is?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: What is called that?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: What is called that calling out ceremony?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: And it's how I tell a man who's listening to this podcast when you see lawyers come out, he don't make you 50, 60 thousand.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: You know he done every time lawyers come out.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: You know there's comedy picture for the bag and them kind of thing.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: I ain't calling no name, I have a man he good for 80, 80, 90 thousand.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Check him anytime you see lawyers come out and you need money borrow.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: That is grand, sure money, prime minister level money every time lawyers graduate.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Can't remember what he was calling the thing, but I remember seeing him then and reading the story and featuring it on the podcast and you know, feeling proud.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: A young black fellow who was able to accomplish them things.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: A law degree is not an easy thing to do.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: Plenty of sacrifice, it's not just for you but for everybody around you.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: And maybe not even connecting the dots in my mind, realizing that he's the same person, I end up following him on instagram and the reason I end up following him was because I was following a.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: I set a sporting events and stuff that was happening in the beat them like they had football tournament and you know the turnouts be good like sometimes you'll be passing a person or driving across the beat, especially when I head in west and you see the lights on on the ground all the time and the one you could see from the highway there, and I started following him and looking at his presence and how much that them football tournaments and so on bringing the community together, and it make me remember the days of people like Kujufi and stuff in the park in St James.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: If you know B&M Ice Cream, there's a house of people.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: They have a house opposite the park in St James.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Right, it has to have at least 350 people living in that house.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: It's the biggest house in St James, right, and the house don't lock it, don't ever lock up.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: I small that house, never lock up the gallery upstairs, that door always open.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: The crime situation don't matter, it's just happy people.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Right, and one of the people who was coming out of that house was a man named kujufi and st james, that place have plenty football and plenty, plenty spirit, right, and and and when I talk about st james, I want to understand that.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I know that your story about where you from is the same.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: The community have a life to it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: Right, they have a business life with our sporting life, with our religious life, with our cultural life.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: That is just what it is in the communities we have and I remember kujufi used to take every little boy right now.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: For zachary to play football, I had to sign him up for project pro, sign him up with our coaches.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: If he had to look anything he had to learn, I had to pay somebody, a stranger, to go to the classes.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: The communities we come from were not like that.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: The community I come from in st james, I used to just put on a jersey and go in the park and kudryffy and them teach me how to play football.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: When you're born, it's cricket time.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: Japan.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: All of them pull together something all of we learn learn to play cricket.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: Whoever could have played cricket before?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Showy little thing.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: And they teach you this and that and all of a sudden you're playing for a team.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: The community come together and they tell your mother no, send $20 for Jersey or X for Maxi when they send for Maxi.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: Now Maxi is Siki driving the Maxi.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: You know, you know it's not, it's not, it's not a stranger.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: We don't hire kallus or no big or or what do you call the thing?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: No ride share, none of them kind of thing.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: It's people who you know from the community.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: So the community used to support itself and kujufi was one of them people who not, I don't know that he gained pay to come with my mother and then was paying kuji, I doubt, I doubt, but he had a team and he bring people along and I was fortunate enough to be living in our community not always living in our community in shogun as well.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: So my guy travis, a coach, will take it upon himself.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: I didn't even know, because them they.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: I tell zachary, I said boy, go and play football.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: I I interested in seeing the boy play football.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean as a world scorer like me, right, let me let me spend, let me spend a few minutes on this as a whole.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Veteran goal scorer like me right, let me let me spend, let me spend a few minutes on this as a whole.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: Veteran goal scorer like me.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: I said my son other place on football, but he wasn't interested in that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: He said his son's what?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: Because we have a fellow in the community named travis who coming out and coaching.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: A little trend I see these little youth men go from, raise their level because they're coming out every sunday morning and train with travis.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: And I did have harvard and them kind of thing to go to eventually.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: But long before Harvard you had somebody in the community who bringing you along, teaching you things, and when I was small I think what they're teaching you is football, but they're teaching you teamwork, conflict resolution, socialization, fitness, health, responsibility.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: There's so much in learning right inside that community there.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: So I always feel good and one of the things that would have come out of that community as well is we used to go in the poorhouse in St James.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: I always call it now the infirmary.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: So look at my guy, ronald, right, I always remember talking to Ronald the other day, ex-barber, who seemed like he didn't come and shit back.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: So when you go by Ronald, and you know you're talking, it's a barber shop, you know and I ask Ronald, I say boy, do you play cricket in the centre?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: Again, boy, is the centre up in Bournemouth.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Ronald is like Corey, when last you went in the centre, only for me to drive up by the centre the other day in Bournemouth.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: It's not no way to play cricket there again.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: It's a whole building built there, a whole planning's built upstairs from where the centre was kid.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: There again, there's a whole building built there, a whole planning's built upstairs from where the center was uh, same thing, with, with, with, with, with the poor house.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: I tell my mother about football in the post and she's like, well, no, there's the cancer center and emergency thing there now and all in the back there's parking.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: It's a no football field there again.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: But again, as a little boy I could have gone see everybody who named ram, do and barney and Shepi, these fellas playing football like plenty men playing football with flippers and stuff in the poor house.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: So the community used to support each other and stand up for one another.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: A wise man told me the other day the first line of security in our place's community is not all these cameras and blink, vigilance and rapid response and whoever else.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: The first thing is community, where we know each other, we know each other's children, we know what a stranger looks like.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: Anybody could approach a stranger anywhere.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: Or if anybody in difficulty, the whole community will come together.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: It's difficult for crime to take a hole in situations like that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Certainly not petty crime, right.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: But this is why I think I admired this youth man, uh, kareem marcel, for a long time, just watching the amount of work he doing in the area.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: He just reminded me about a lot of people in the community that I grew up and he reminded me of people like kujufi, who organizing thing, and I don't know how kujufi used to get away from one place to the next year, traveling to go here.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: He reminded me of men like Jappo, who are always organizing something, men like Wendell All of them end up in politics.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Coincidence, not Coogee, but Wendell and Jappo.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: They were always movers and shakers and people who were mobilizing in the community, so a happy fame.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: He goes against everything that I said at the beginning of the episode, because if I was here and I had a law degree I look into charge people 5,000.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: But every time I write a word on a piece of paper it's 5,000.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: I add it up for my 80 for myself.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: But it seems as though he has a genuine interest in supporting and helping his community.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: So congratulations to him.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: It's not an easy seat for him to lose.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: I suspect one out of two things Federer will see this youth man come in and say what the hell is this?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Who is he?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Because he don't know nothing about the community for real.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: So when he sees Kareem who is Kareem?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Because he never, never watched one of them football games.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: And Raul Imazi tell him hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, what's going on?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: This youth man everybody know who's this you step aside, we have something for you.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: In New York you know what I mean, we put you as the ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: What country rasta come from?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: We send you to Ethiopia.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: Go and read the Lassie book and come back.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: So congrats to Kareem Marcel and congrats to, I guess, everybody else who passed the screening, both PNM and UNC.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: I want to spend a minute highlighting this youth because he, I think he, has a bright future.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: I'm always worried about people who end up in party politics, because party politics is not an easy game, and I always feel as if, no matter what or no matter how good he is, you're going to have to toe the line.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: And I'll admit as well that I have a special bias for youth.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's a secret here, right?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: I like youths a lot and I always feel youths have a lot more promise than all like me who head down hard and who jaded by everything we have.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: I mean to salute to Keri Marcel.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: I've had youth to play here too.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: You know as much as we're talking about Christmas season and so on, and we owe people Christmas music.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: How about you to play here?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: For now, I will just tell you the person's name, right?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: I will just tell you that the person I'm going to play now goes by the name of Lanisha Bailey.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you already know the name.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: Bailey Always drink Baileys.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: Fifteen years old.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: Her own composition, playing quattro, singing vocals in the background.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: Name of the song is Paranda.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Let me say it right.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Boy is a man.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: A little good with the language.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: You know they pass Spanish and they take it to school.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: Paranda Preciosa.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: If you could get that right, you could pass your Spanish exam.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: Paranda Preciosa.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: Take the scene from me.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: Aye, aye, aye, I celebrate this time of year.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: Aye, aye, aye.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: My favourite holiday is here, and it's not about the gifts at all.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: It's about the music, the love I feel when I play.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, I can't refuse it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: Barang is special.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: I choose it over everything.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: Each time I get an opportunity I'll sing Mi paranga preciosa, mi paranga is preciosa.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: Mi paranga, mi paranga yo le pego a dar paranga, mi paranga io le beccano per paranna, mi paranna preziosa.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: Ay-yi-yi, christmas season comes and goes.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: Ay-yi-yi, my sweet barang is what I know and it's not a bouncy food, but oh, does it taste nice.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: Good ham barang and sorrel can really make my night.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: Pastel is like my chorus, the thing that keeps you hot.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: July to December's never overlooked.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: Mi parang da preciosa, mi parang da is preciosa.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: People, para mi parang na Yere vegan.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: Tal parang na is is Mi paranda.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: Yo le voy a cantar.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: Paranda, mi paranda, preciosa Paranda.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay ay.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: Yo canto este canto para ti.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: Ay ay ay.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: Esta es una hora para ti.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: Ay ay, ay, this is an hour for you.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: I'm going to give this song to you For the beautiful.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Tune from Tune Land.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: Go and tell everybody you're here.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: Same thing I'm talking about in this song.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: Salute to Lanisha Bailey.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Do you know the name Bailey from anywhere?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: Have you ever checked?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: Have you ever checked a top 100 list?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: Let's see if you see Bailey written anywhere.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: Daughter of the great Charlotte Bailey.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: You, man, send me the tune, right?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: I say all right.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: You see daughter singing a paragon thing.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: You know them.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: Stories don't ever end well, right, because when somebody's sending you something and they say boy and I'm a daughter, yeah, why you take a listen to this?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: The ending it don't usually be good.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: I will help you out, right.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: But this song, so listen.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: This song fit right into what we're talking about here.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: Even at the age of 15, youths always had the answer.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: And in case they didn't know, right, daughter of the great Charlene Bailey would make her the granddaughter of the great Winston Bailey.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: And if you don't know who that is, you're tuning into the wrong station, right?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: But Parana Preciosa she's talking about.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: It's not about the gifts, it's not just about the food, it's really the same thing we're talking about, about the togetherness and the community.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: This is where youth always had the answers.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: They used that song to send a salute to Kareem Marcel Stay who you is Very grounded, very much present everywhere.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: You see everything's happening on the beat-up and every mover and shaker in that community connected with him, right there with him, is very different from what we'd have seen from fidget roll hines over the years.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: So congratulations to kareem marcel, congratulations you.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: They have a big song on your hand.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: That is that, that song, that little chord structure and thing.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: It's nice bad.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: I like it a lot.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: I like it a lot.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: I like it a lot.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: But something happened, haven't he?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Because as much as Fitzgerald Hines gone I don't know if it's a you know Bob Marley sing a song.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: He say Jah, will never give the powers to a ball head Run, come crucify the trail.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: Time alone, oh time will tell.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: You think you're in heaven but you ain't love.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: Until that's what Bob said, I'm not watching Bob Marley documentary.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Forgive me, but as much as one Raster gone from Lavantie we went from the East In Lavantie.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: Where's he gone to?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: From Gil Alexander in the Guardian, in a picture with a big hug by Lavantie East mover MP Adrian Leons embraces Roxanne's learning and childhood center principal, roxanne King, during his visit to the school in September, announcing his exit.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: I suppose something more concerning than the health issues is holding back laventy east mover mp adrian leons from representing his constituents at the next general election.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: He failed to show up at the pnm screening on monday evening, eventually revoking his consent to be screened consent to be screened by the party.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: Leon cited serious personal issues.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: However, however, leon has now told Guardian Media that it's deeper than that.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: In a telephone interview yesterday, leon said that he was devastated.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: He could not be screened as planned.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: He revealed it was very emotional to have to meet with his constituency executive to give them the news, as well as for the reason for him not wanting to screen.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: Was it due to health reasons or marital issues?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: He said people will say health issues because I do get sick plenty, which is true.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, I do really get sick plenty, but it's a lot deeper.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: I didn't know this man was feeling bad.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't know he had health issues.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: I do really get sick plenty, but it's a lot deeper than and bigger than a health issue.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: I have no issues with my wife.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: Me and my wife are very happy, so it has nothing to do with anything like that, while diehard supporters aren't happy about his decision and are begging for his return to the PNM screening committee.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: Leon said he wants them to know he has not abandoned them.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: I love my constituents.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: It's a very heavy emotional time for me.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: I'm in no way abandoning my people.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: I love my people.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: I'll always be there for them.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: In whatever capacity, even if it's not an MP, I'll always be there for them, he stressed.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Leon said he's hoping his issues are resolved before the next general election so he can once again put his name forward for nomination.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: He said he's seen in the past where candidates are switched at the last minute.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: So again, this sounds like, if there's more effort, seems to be a cleaning out of Laventy.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, literally and figuratively.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: Songs like if, um, there's more effort, seem to be a cleaning out a laventy.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: You know I mean literally and figuratively.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: Look like they're making some changes, right?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: So, uh, everything, at least from what I hear.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: You used to talk about leon's in a positive way.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: You know I mean it was much the same kind of hope I have for kareem marcel is the same thing that was being bandied about when leon's was being placed there.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: You know I mean a youth who was was very connected and close to the community and you're hearing residents.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: It's almost like with heinz people say they're glad to see him go, but but leon's hearing more of a response that people not very happy with him.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: So I I have to keep in mind, though, that the guardian did write this article and there's more happening with the Guardian these days.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: The Guardian on a roll these days, right, because the Guardian also said that Amory Brown taking over for Rowley, and they talked to Amory and Amory said so to himself.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: Right, that's what they say.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: But apparently Amory Brown come out this week and say hey, I had nothing to do with that.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: Nobody never tell me nothing about taking over Diggle Martin West.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know anything about that, and I suppose when you enter the final, you know the home stretch, the last furlong of elections.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: The rumor may well start about who taking over and so on, because Dr Rowley did say that he was going to step aside sometime.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Now that was since before the last election.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: Surprisingly, he went out this whole election.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: So rumor have it that he going to move aside.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: Rumor also have it that election going on call friday this week.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: Rumor also have it that kind of alfredi while only playing for car you gotta vote before you go and see carter.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: Kind of alfredi, I don't know when.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: That when they say.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: But also the idea of who's going to be the next political leader, if it's Zami or if it's Amory Brown.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: I remember when the first one of the big things when they was trying to get Manning out of the way was that Amory Brown was one of the people who was anything being groomed for the next prime minister and so on.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: But Amory say he know nothing about that.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: He talk to people and thing and he say he don't know anything.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: So sad I things was so sad.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: I hear man from howard university was supposed to come back and be prime minister to all ever here.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: I hear so those days I say so.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: But again it don't seem to be that anybody.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: And the last thing the news I see on it is dr roly walking away from some people who come into ask him question about that.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: He said to ask me what's at a question, you know, I mean I, I, I, I, I gone.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: No, that there's not for me.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: So he keeping that along with the election in his back pocket.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: I suppose that that would be the.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: That's probably the wise thing to do.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: That's probably the wise thing to do.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: I guess, as the prime minister, it would make sense for you to secure your own screening process.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Deal with whatever is usually dealing with in Lavantie and Moruga, where it seems as though they don't want the man to go back there and all they want is their own person to go.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: But in Moruga they had a man who they wanted to send, but they didn't send him.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: He's the new man.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: He didn't show up because he had family issues or health issues too.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: So they have some issues to sort out with their own internal thing and before time.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: The last election, before they called before time, did not end well for anybody involved.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: My boy, you got to enjoy your retirement like you.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Take on that and you go on with it.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, bless his soul, mr Manning.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if there could be any truth to the idea that PNM willing to call the election early and put the things that they have in place at risk.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: I also feel as if, just from the standpoint of the politicking right, I would want to make sure that my highway going grandy and the highway going south and all the different projects and the um, the tobago airport that was supposed to cost about three, four hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: That cost three hundred four hundred billion dollars.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: I would hope that finished too.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: I see, like rollers and and farley, them going down a road, a big headline today saying rowley is a house slave.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: Them and them know how to play the politics game.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: They know how to play the game because farley, just recently here in this week there was a it was tabled in parliament again the initial discussions or early discussions on Tobago, independence or cessation and them kind of thing.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: And according to Rowley, if the first steps towards cessation or giving anything is autonomy for Tobago and you can't get that passed Farley going down the road of being a house slave, everybody in election mode so in election mode unfortunately in this in this country, is about mudslinging and name calling and finger pointing.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: And you know, I mean I guess I guess it's the politicking, all the politicking happening and the rumor mongering not slowing down.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: So I I interested in hearing, like, where people are.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think they have much people who could honestly say that they they're happy, like they feel inspired by dr rowley and dildy and his cabinet.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Uh, I doubt you will have people who will say, when you talk about people like stuart young or even eben brown or penelope beckles or you know they have people, even as a die-hard pnm supporter, that you yourself might prefer to see somebody there.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: I also don't feel like people like inspired by kamla and the squad, and you know I mean there would be a great next option, but, as I partner tell me today, is I vote in out election and not have vote in election.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean so more things to monitor and things to keep an eye on, and also keep an eye on the fact that this is christmas and since us running out, I may or may not be here for the christmas.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: You know, I said I may or may not be here for the christmas.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: The podcast streets will remain fed, don't worry, the podcast streets will remain fed.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: My numbers over the years show that nobody don't listen to me over christmas time either, but the streets will remain fed.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: As I wrap up this episode, right, and I come out there, it's only fair that if we're going down the road of the Baileys, we have to be.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: It's kind of take almost any excuse to play shadow, eh, only I have to excuse man.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: I don't work in sports, right, I work in, I work in for myself there's nobody who can tell me.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: Because I see was about the fact that Bassman from Hell not included on the list of 101 greatest calypsos or soca ever.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: And same man, I tell you was doing the coaching Travis, is also a DJ right, and he was showing me scotch criteria for choosing songs and one of the areas of criteria was impact.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: And I don't know that, like when I hear songs like Gene and Dinah on the list, for instance.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: But again, if you put relevance and then you say who it's relevant to, you can hear why some of them things ain't right.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: But it's so funny that the discussion around Baseman was there and 101 Calypso's and Osuka and Baseman, baseman can't make the list, you know.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: And as we're talking things like Tobago wanting to be separate and wanting their own space, I just want you to go back to my Tobago episode and I just want Tobago to understand that we don't care how much autonomy Bill Pass and things it has, certain artists we keep in.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: You gotta, I don't know how he has negotiated for that.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: I see the autonomy thing.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: See, the guy in the left mind is a short liner, but shadow shall remain shared right and the patrol on their face and the pretty senorita With the laughter on their face when the patrol starts to rattle.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: It's again just coming down when they pass a wrong rebuttal Time to take another one.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Christmas night, christmas sweet.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Christmas night, christmas, sweet Maria Maria Maria, the old palestine to pray.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Maria Maria Maria, you hold my last dance of praise.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Maria Maria Maria, I hope that you'll come by me.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Maria Maria Maria, not a thing in my house, maria Maria Maria, it's been a bad day in some souls.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Christmas night Christmas, sweet Christmas night Christmas sweet.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Christmas night, christmas sweet.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: That was not scheduled but I could not help myself.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: Will you forgive me?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Listen, christmas is usually the shortest vacation that these trainers have, but for some reason this year christmas is four weeks.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: Usually christmas used to be three weeks, easter is, uh, two weeks, and summer or july, august used to be a whole long time, right, eight or nine weeks or something like that.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: For some reason this year christmas is four weeks.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: So them children home, all they had thing to do, all they're doing, all doing, only prepping for the christmas, only cleaning, take down, cut.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: You know a lot of my mother.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: Call my ass.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: We take, bring us on curtain for sure.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: My wrap this up fast so I could go and sort out the woman curtain and then only gonna set me up, only gonna set me up here.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it only on this one, one of my favorite christmas, what we used to call an entry tune.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it here with that on the exit.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: Hey, wait, no wait, we can't leave yet, man.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: We can't leave yet.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: We can't leave yet.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: We can't even figure out the whole topic.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Vibes can't tell Adesha Palmer I'm not a young man, I only work with men.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: I'll do it quick.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: Vibes can't tell Adesha Palmer, I'm not a young man, oli, work with me now.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Vibes, okay, I'll do it quick.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Vibes Cartel Adesha Palmer was here in Trinidad and Tobago to promote his straight vibes rum, straight vibes.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: People upset about Cartel coming here at Carnival Friday.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: Oli, if you know me, you're supposed to know my take on this.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: I don't have no issue with that.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: Foreign songs and foreign music in carnaval is not new.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: It will never be gone.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: It will never be not new.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: I salute to a man who I follow online by the name of zen obi.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: Right, this man is if you feel I know a little bit about calypso, follow him.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: You know everything about calypso and the culture and history.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: I just follow what he's saying.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: And from the time he said cartel coming for what he called Fantastic Friday, I see him saying is it cartel or a cartel?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: And he went through a history of all the foreign music that would have taken space in Trinidad and Tobago, kind of all over the years and he was basically putting out the way Soka or Calypso has always combined or kind of taken on the shape of popular music in the world, or how popular music and popular artists would have been influencing our carnival or be here for our carnival, for instance, right, and one of them that I always talk about here is the, the idea of a happy wanderer, right, a happy wanderer winning the road match.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: Uh, what is even that I always talk about, if I I find the road match competition should be open, every competition that we have should be open to everybody.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: Because, you see, creating a monopoly, right, it's sound like a good idea because it trend that was built on protectionism.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: We close our borders to foreign things and we we end up with companies like ansa, mccall and neil and massey and sunshine snacks and and and what my next partner name associated brands and them kind of things and it works, right.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: So the idea of closing off your borders and making sure that you alone could do the thing that you could do, it might work in the short run.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: When you have a industry that is in infancy, you're protected from global competition, so, but it's almost like you know, when you're planting something you know weed or whatever is plant, right.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: You know how they used to teach us to plant the little red bean in a styrofoam cup and they put a little napkin with something and you do that before you put it in the soil.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is wise to do that with, with things like, like, like, so called any industry, any industry that you have that you need to protect in its infancy stage or what you call the incubation stage.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: It's important, just like that, just like that, uh, that that that red bean they to protect.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: The truth is also that if you try to leave that red bean in that cup like all of us did when we was in primary school, right when the members of the Utah and they put the thing in the cup, all of we leave the red bean right there in the cup and we were so shocked to see when the red bean died the red bean is going to die.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: It is going to die if you don't open it up and and make it available, you don't give it soil and give it sunlight and leave it alone to fight up with the elements and grow.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: The truth is also that if you take 20 red bean, you put them through the incubation stage and you put all in the ground, all in will live, but the ones that live will live on to create more and more and more, and it'll get better and better and better over time.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: But we seem to think that everything we have must remain in the incubation stage and must remain closed forever, and what that leads to is a substandard product.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: For the product to get better and better, you must open it to open competition.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: Competition not meaning like soca mona kind of thing.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: Competition meaning I selling one of this and you selling one of this, and you must figure out how to sell more of that than me.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: That's business.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: If you're protected for the whole life, it will never evolve.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: And it's one of the problems you have in the soca now.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: And why?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: Because we keep it in the incubation stage for the last 50 or 60 or 70 or 80 years.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: Right, it's why we have a situation now where you could only have one or two soccer artists who really have international recognition or who could sell out a venue uh, a big venue somewhere.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: It is very, very difficult to see any of our local artists competing on an international stage.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: When you're looking at um kendrick lamar going on a tour 21 stadiums, 80 something thousand a night, 80 something thousand people coming out to see him I'm not sure that we have any soca artist or any combination of soca artists who could sell out a stadium in the States for a genre that is going to be 100 years old, if it ain't past 100 and something years old already.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: So the idea of Cartel coming on a thing I'm not sure why people so upset.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: I guess I know why people upset about it.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: Uh, but nobody more upset than yankee boy.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: The salute to yankee boy.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Yankee boy went and do he um the videos during miami carnival.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Because yankee boy is of the belief that when you have a carnival he must only play music from trinidad and tobago and he must only play soccer music.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: This is one of the things I was saluting Squatch for the fact that they made their 101 list.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: They didn't insulate it and try to make it a Trinidad list.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: It don't make sense to do that.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: If you're giving me the top soccer, give me the top soccer overall.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: We must remember that sparrows are grenadian.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: We must remember that lord nelson himself sing song that they treat him like a foreigner and tell him he can't enter competition.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: Now, tobago born man, but because you're living in new york he can't enter competition.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: We have to let go that mindset of trying to avoid competing with the rest of the world and keeping me little red bean in the cup forever and ever and ever.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: I salute yankee, but I understand the fight that they're fighting because we, we, we at a stage where if you expose us to the cartels of the world in other words, if you put cartel on a fantastic friday cartel in concert, right, which is not that and then you put, let me say, soca monarch where your next biggest show there cartel might pull the whole crowd, so we meaning that cartel is a superior product just by the laws of demand and supply, it would indicate to me that cartel offering a superior product than the man who go any friday night.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: But we have to allow these things to happen.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: We had, we had a plant, hundreds of red bean, so we would sort of when, when a few of them die, we have plenty of them that live on and continue to feed generations going forward.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: It's a difficult conversation to have sometimes because we tend to feel as if the more we close up is the more we protect what we have.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: You cannot keep what you have, we have to let it go.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: You have to let go to let it grow and we refuse to let it grow.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: And while I understand the fight that somebody like Yankee Boy is facing, we must also understand that to to to be better, we have to get better as a genre with the artists.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: How to get better?
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: The writing must get better, the melodies, the production and must get better.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that is not.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: But the only way for it to continue to advance is to continue to expose it.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: So I respect yankee boy a lot.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: I'm glad for what he's doing.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: He got on a hunger strike, but anytime you start off announcing you have a hunger strike and you have to tape down your mouth with duct tape to say you're on a hunger strike, I don't think you're going to make it through the hunger strike.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: You have to be like the beginning of this episode human beings are greedy.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: If you had a tape down your mouth so that you could not eat for the sake of soccer, yankee boy has something for you here don't put yourself through that.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I wake up Christmas morning I say I'm going far again From the time I leave my home.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: I decide I'm far again alone.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: I go to check on Susan first to wish her a Merry Christmas Before I go take a seat.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: She started buying me things to eat A roast, pork, curry, chicken, A crab and dumplings, five pastels Eat it.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Eat it.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, I like what he's starting up for you know, but that race gone for you.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Why come out the drunk table.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Eat it.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Oh Lord, na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: It's on the Coming up.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Hello the American.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: It's on.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: It's on.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Come here.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: It's on, hey.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: It's on hey.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: That's about it for me.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: As I say, I'm going to try and end this right with a second time around.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: As I say, it's Christmas time, time to be slow.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: Everybody home, All your children to see both, all your house to clean, curtains to put up and so on.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: I may or may not be here, but you're going to have a little thing to keep your company.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: The episodes to come is to keep your company While you're doing your cleaning and your cooking and your well-tast.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: Doing your cleaning and your cooking and your what else do you do for?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: Christmas come, baby eat something.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Eat something before you go.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I go record before I go.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: I go record before I go.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: I go see you only next week.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: Enjoy the week, bye, bye.