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UK Column News — 5th August 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the seventh of August twenty twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Collin News from
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Speaker 1: your Hooks by Grumson. Joining me in the studio today
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Speaker 1: is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to program.
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Speaker 2: Patrick, great to be with you.
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Speaker 1: Mike and Basil Valentine is with us on video link
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Speaker 1: as usual. My later in the program will be contrasting
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Speaker 1: the ferrall over the plagiarism case in Cambridge University with
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Speaker 1: the littist development in Bristol University's dispute with David Miller.
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Speaker 1: We'll be asking has military doctrine with respect attacking nuclear
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Speaker 1: weapons changed on both sides of the Atlantic, and how
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Speaker 1: is Britain's economy being changed the result of the cost
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Speaker 1: of living crisis. But we're going to start off today
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Speaker 1: with Prevent and well let's ask the question is it
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Speaker 1: increasing prevention at all or is it something else going
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Speaker 1: on here? Because the Home Office official statistics, which were
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Speaker 1: published on the sixth of August, record the highest annual
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Speaker 1: number of Prevent referrals since the series began in April
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Just for those who don't know, Prevent is
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Speaker 1: one strand of contest and the acronyms just were off
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Speaker 1: the charts with this kind of thing. Now, this is
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Speaker 1: the UK government's kind of terrorism strategy. That contest is
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Speaker 1: that anyway, and the current version of that was published
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Speaker 1: in July twenty twenty three. It prevents stated aim is
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Speaker 1: to safeguard people from becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism, and
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Speaker 1: the counter Terrorism and Security Act twenty fifteen placed a
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Speaker 1: statutory duty on local authorities, schools, colleges, universities, health bodies, prisons,
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Speaker 1: probation services and the police to due regard to the
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Speaker 1: need to prevent people becoming drawn into terrorism. So there
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Speaker 1: they therefore demand that staff and public facing roles are
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Speaker 1: trained to identify people considered susceptible to radicalization and to
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Speaker 1: raise concerns with the local authority safeguarding team or the police,
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Speaker 1: and all referrals are screened and assessed by the police
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Speaker 1: who decide whether a case is close or it could
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Speaker 1: be signposted to mainstream services or progressed to something which
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Speaker 1: is called channel and well. Channel is the multi agency
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Speaker 1: support element of prevent and this is where police assess
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Speaker 1: a risk of radicalization exists and then a channel panel
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Speaker 1: is set up and that's chaired by the local authority
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Speaker 1: and attended by partners including education and health representatives, and
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Speaker 1: they need to consider the referral and to decide whether
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Speaker 1: to adopt it as a Channel case. So someone gets
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Speaker 1: a referred that they may be considered by Channel and
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Speaker 1: they may be made a case which is managed by Channel.
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Speaker 1: And this is a multi agency thing PATRICK which is
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Speaker 1: running in parallel with MAPPA, which is the other multi
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Speaker 1: agency Public Protection RANGEANS that we've talked about in the
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Speaker 1: last week or two on this program. Now, the twenty
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Speaker 1: fifteen Act placed Channel on a statutory footing and it
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Speaker 1: requires every local authority in England and Wales maintain a Channel.
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Speaker 1: Panel support is if you are referred to Channel, it's voluntary,
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Speaker 1: it requires consent, but where consent is refused, the case
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Speaker 1: is closed the Channel and then any terrorism risk is
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Speaker 1: managed by the police directly potentially through other police led partnerships.
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Speaker 1: And well they're saying that support that is given to
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Speaker 1: people under Channel may cover educational, vocational and mental health
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Speaker 1: needs with ideological mentoring available and that is described as
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Speaker 1: a common intervention.
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Speaker 2: Now the Home.
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Speaker 1: Office classes these as official statistics. These we're going to
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Speaker 1: look at the statistics in one second. The Home Office
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Speaker 1: classes them as official statistics in development, which they've extracted
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Speaker 1: from a live case management system on the first of
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Speaker 1: April twenty twenty six. But they've revised the methodology for
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Speaker 1: conunting the channel the number of people that have been
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Speaker 1: adopted by channel, so we'll see that on the second
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Speaker 1: as well. The mainstream media is pushing this very hard
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Speaker 1: at the moment because well, we'll see in one second,
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Speaker 1: so let's bring this on screen. Because in the year
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Speaker 1: ending thirtieth of September twenty twenty five, there were ten
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Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety three referrals to Prevent, relating to
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Speaker 1: nine nine hundred and fifty seven individuals, and that's a
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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent increase on the previous year and the
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Speaker 1: largest year on year increase since publication began. In the
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Speaker 1: January to March twenty twenty five quarter accounted for three
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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty three referrals and that's thirty two
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Speaker 1: percent of the annual total, in eighty two percent higher
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Speaker 1: than the same quarter the previous year. Lord Anderson, who
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Speaker 1: was the previous Independent Prevent Commissioner, attributed this surge to
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Speaker 1: in his lessons for prevent report to publicity around the
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Speaker 1: trial of Axel Rule Cabana, which we'll talk about him
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Speaker 1: in a second, and of course that opened on the
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Speaker 1: twentieth of January twenty twenty five. But let's look at
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Speaker 1: Channel then. Because of the referrals, two one hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty nine, that's twenty one percent were discussed at a
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Speaker 1: CHANNEL panel and one eight hundred and ten were adopted
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Speaker 1: as Channel cases, and that's up from that's a significant
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Speaker 1: increase once again. Now the number of individuals adopted rose
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen percent, and seventy eight percent of
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Speaker 1: the referral referrals were closed before a panel discussion, most
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Speaker 1: commonly discussed elsewhere. Now, the claim is that right wing
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Speaker 1: extremism is driving this surge, but it's a note that
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Speaker 1: children aged eleven to fifteen made up thirty six percent
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Speaker 1: of the referrals where that's where age was recorded, and
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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the referrals where sex was recorded were male.
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Speaker 1: Extreme right wing concerns accounted for twenty percent of referrals
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Speaker 1: and forty two percent of adopted cases, and that's contrasts
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Speaker 1: against sorry eight percent for Islamist extremism. So that's on
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Speaker 1: the face of it, an extreme rise. But if we
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Speaker 1: just bring that graph back on screen again, there's the
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Speaker 1: two purple lines are the current statistics, but the gray
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Speaker 1: line there is the old methodology. So this is cases
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Speaker 1: that were adopted as a CHANNEL case with the old methodology.
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Speaker 1: So by changing the Methody method sorry, by changing the methodology,
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Speaker 1: you can see that the number of cases referred or
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Speaker 1: adopted by Channel in twenty twenty five went from one
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Speaker 1: thousand and three to one eight hundred and ten just
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Speaker 1: by changing the methodology. So are these numbers real or not?
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Speaker 1: This is something else we've got to consider here. Not
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Speaker 1: fifty six percent of the referrals categorize the people referred
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Speaker 1: as having no ideology, so neither Islamic extremists or right
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Speaker 1: wing extremists as defined by this And around thirty six
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Speaker 1: percent of the individual's referred how to mental health or
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Speaker 1: neurodiversity condition recorded autism being the most common at eighteen percent.
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Speaker 1: So the question, Patrick, is why is this apparent increase
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Speaker 1: taking place? And I think we've got to consider how
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Speaker 1: many serious incidents have taken place over the years by
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Speaker 1: people known to prevent Patrick, And well, let's begin with
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Speaker 1: perhaps one of the most commonly known examples of this
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Speaker 1: Jihaddie John.
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Speaker 3: We'll look at that, and you probably have quite a
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Speaker 3: few other cases. We can back up this with Mike.
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Speaker 3: But answer to the question which you pose there is
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Speaker 3: what's actually causing this and is there something really here
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Speaker 3: or is this because of a change in methodology or
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Speaker 3: because the system that they have engineered is engineering results basically,
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Speaker 3: And it does seem to me that, I mean, how
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Speaker 3: can you have terrorism without ideology? That's also a red flag?
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Speaker 3: And of course autism and mental health problems. Doesn't that
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Speaker 3: fall into the mental health category and not the prospective
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Speaker 3: terrorism category? I mean, so this is just widening the net.
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Speaker 3: The system is widening the net. It's getting the results
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Speaker 3: that the system intends to produce. And we'll look at
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Speaker 3: some of the extreme cases here. Now, this is a
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Speaker 3: very high profile case. Everybody at least from twenty fourteen
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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen will know about the case of Jihati John
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Speaker 3: aka Mohammad m Wazi. He was a Kuwaiti British young
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Speaker 3: man who became this absolute menacing figure during the rise
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Speaker 3: of isis here Jihati John, the video beheadings and so forth,
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Speaker 3: many people thought it was a psyop in certain ways,
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Speaker 3: it was. But let's take a look at that case
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Speaker 3: a little closer, because it's very very instructive here, and
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Speaker 3: this is a good, sort of well researched piece. It's
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Speaker 3: really just a data dump of all the information in BuzzFeed,
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Speaker 3: a website that no longer is functioning as a news organization,
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Speaker 3: but the archive is still available online. This is the
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Speaker 3: full story of how Mohammad and Wazi became Jihadi John.
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Speaker 3: Now it's very difficult, Mike to find actual admissions here
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Speaker 3: from the State that he was flagged by prevent However,
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Speaker 3: the evidence seems to point in that direction, and then
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Speaker 3: some and then some. This is why this is an
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Speaker 3: important case here. So we're going to ask the question,
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Speaker 3: of course, you know what is zactly is being prevented here?
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Speaker 3: Is this prevent or is this a wind up?
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Speaker 2: Here?
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Speaker 3: In twenty ten and Wazi ak Jihati John was detained
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Speaker 3: on his way to holiday, that's the allegation in Tanzania
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Speaker 3: to Safari, threatened at gunpoint by police there, then flown
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Speaker 3: to the Netherlands where he was interrogated by an MI
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Speaker 3: five agent named quote Nick. The agent allegedly accused him
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Speaker 3: of wanting to fight in Somali with the notorious Al
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Speaker 3: Shabab terrorist group here, and it gets just more interesting
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Speaker 3: in an email exchange here with Cage and Wazi. This
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Speaker 3: predates isis. By the way, this predates isis all of
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Speaker 3: these records, so this is very interesting data. Here security
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Speaker 3: services had tried to recruit him as an informant. After
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Speaker 3: he refused, the agent allegedly told him, You're going to
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Speaker 3: have a lot of trouble. You're going to be known,
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Speaker 3: You're going to be followed. Life will be harder for you.
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Speaker 3: And this is a young man. I don't know what
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Speaker 3: his age was at the time, might but it's probably
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Speaker 3: around nineteen, possibly twenty here and right now it's twenty ten.
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Speaker 3: Look at this preparing to return to Kuwait. Cage claimed
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Speaker 3: that and Wazi was subjected to six hours of interrogation
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Speaker 3: by British security Services before being informed that Kuwait had
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Speaker 3: canceled his visa and his job, and was said the
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Speaker 3: visit had also scared off his fiance, forcing him to
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Speaker 3: call off the marriage. So he basically said, I'm a
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Speaker 3: dead man walking, basically to paraphrase another of the passes
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Speaker 3: from this. So what it exactly is being prevented here?
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Speaker 3: Is this a prevent or is this actually a wind up?
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Speaker 3: Or is it this co intel pro This is cohort
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Speaker 3: intelligence program. This is what the FBI run in America
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Speaker 3: where they try to turn extremists into informants or even
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Speaker 3: send them through a pipeline with a handler, whereby they'll
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Speaker 3: basically drive them into extremist organizations that are somehow in
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Speaker 3: contact with the intelligence services. This has been going in
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Speaker 3: America for decades. Hasn't discontinued. This program still exists, and
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Speaker 3: it's for right wing extremists as well as left wing
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Speaker 3: as well as Muslim extremists, the whole gambit, green environmental extremists,
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Speaker 3: and so forth. So that's our question here, what are
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Speaker 3: we looking at it? Can it function in exactly the
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Speaker 3: same way co intel functions in the United States. That's
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Speaker 3: a very good question. So just let's just look at
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Speaker 3: a few more examples.
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Speaker 2: Then.
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Speaker 1: Ahmed Hassan Parsons green bombing that was September twenty, twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: He was absolutely known to prevent prevent officials discussed his
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Speaker 1: case for almostly for over a year and almost close
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Speaker 1: days before the attack. He was known to prevent. Then
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Speaker 1: we've got Jake Davison who carried out the shotgun incident
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Speaker 1: in Plymouth and c in Plymouth mass shooting. His mother Maxine,
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Speaker 1: reported to Prevent in November twenty sixteen before he applied
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Speaker 1: for a shotgun certificate, and then the shotgun certificate was
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Speaker 1: given to him without any problem. Then who do we
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Speaker 1: have Ali Harbi Ali? He was the murder of Sir
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Speaker 1: David Amos, referred to prevent by his school. Then we
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Speaker 1: have Cairi Sidala the Fourbery Gardens reading event. He was
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Speaker 1: flagged to prevent but not found to have a fixed ideology.
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Speaker 2: So there we go.
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Speaker 1: But he had come on to Mifi's Ridar in twenty
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Speaker 1: nineteen over intelligence that he might travel abroad.
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Speaker 3: The whig Ja had interesting very similar to Muhammad and
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Speaker 3: Wazi's case precisely.
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Speaker 1: Then, of course, as we've mentioned already, we've got Axel
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Speaker 1: Ridy Cabana the Southport situation July twenty twenty four. He
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Speaker 1: was referred three times to prevent, first in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: and apparently or allegedly his case was not referred onwards
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Speaker 1: despite his interest in school shootings and the London Bridge
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Speaker 1: attack and so on. But then we've also got Sa Sulliman,
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Speaker 1: the Goldish Green stabbings April twenty twenty six. So the
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Speaker 1: met confirmed a prevent referral in twenty twenty it was
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Speaker 1: closed the same year. And of course he stabbed to
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Speaker 1: Jewish men, and we just forget the fact that he
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Speaker 1: also stabbed a Muslim as.
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Speaker 2: Well, earlier in the day, earlier in the day.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we can't report on that.
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Speaker 1: No, no, we can't. No, No, that's right. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: at these are just a few examples. There are others.
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Speaker 1: And the question is, as Patrick is pointing, is prevent
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Speaker 1: simply the most incompetent operation in British history, or is it,
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Speaker 1: as Patrick alleges, in fact, a breeding ground for state assets.
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Speaker 1: Is its job to identify people for preventative intervention or
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Speaker 1: is it identified people for use in intelligence operations? Neither
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Speaker 1: was an MI five or six involvement in many of
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Speaker 1: the cases. And let's remember that this country has a
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Speaker 1: piece of legislation called the CHIZ actis standing for Covert
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Speaker 1: Human Intelligence Sources, which permits agents of the state to
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Speaker 1: break the law, not some law, all law up to
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Speaker 1: an including murder. And every one of the incidents carried
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Speaker 1: out by someone known to prevent has resulted in the
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Speaker 1: state taking a step forward with one policy or another
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Speaker 1: which otherwise might not have had public support. So Patrick,
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Speaker 1: I think there are absolute questions to ask an answer
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Speaker 1: here to be asked and to be answered by the state,
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Speaker 1: But nobody's asking them.
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Speaker 3: And even if it's not a question of them becoming
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Speaker 3: a state asset, like the police officers that we've spoke
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Speaker 3: to off the record and in some cases on the record,
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Speaker 3: by the way, I have told the UK column that
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Speaker 3: in their eyes, Prevent was winding people up, winding young
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Speaker 3: people up, especially with regards to the young Muslims that
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Speaker 3: were identified even as early as the age of nine
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Speaker 3: or ten, and then shadowed by these various facilitators, operatives
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Speaker 3: or whatever, and then blocked at every turn and then
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Speaker 3: forced in a way to become very against the state
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Speaker 3: and into the most extreme cases like Muhammad A m Wazi.
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Speaker 3: Was that an accident? Was that just a result of
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Speaker 3: the harassment by the state, the profiling We don't know.
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Speaker 3: We're asking this question because in America this is well
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Speaker 3: proven historical fact that co Intel pro had crossed all
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Speaker 3: of those lines. Yes, And we're saying is that the
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Speaker 3: case here? It's a question worth asking, especially if you
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Speaker 3: look at these crazy statistics which we've just shown you.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely Basil. Let me welcome you to the program. Let's
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Speaker 1: talk about Cambridge University and the University of Bristol then
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Speaker 1: and contrast recent events.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Mike Patrick. Yes, great to be with you. Greetings
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Speaker 4: from sunny France. Just for a change. At universities in
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Speaker 4: Britain under crisis on many levels of funding being one
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Speaker 4: widespread job cuts and a couple of events universities, very
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Speaker 4: prestigious universities as well, Cambridge and Bristol this week have
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Speaker 4: highlighted the bad governance of some of our foremost educational establishments.
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Speaker 4: First at Cambridge, I'm sure many viewers are aware of
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Speaker 4: the case of Jason R. Day, who was promoted to
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Speaker 4: the Chair of Sociology no less made a professor at
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Speaker 4: the tender age of thirty seven. It turns out there
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Speaker 4: have been very serious questions about the value of his scholarship.
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Speaker 4: The PhD he received from John Moore's University was apparently
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Speaker 4: largely lifted from the previous thesis of a student at
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Speaker 4: Durham University, with just a few words changed, and even
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Speaker 4: the title of the thesis was lifted from somebody else's work,
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Speaker 4: and he rearranged the words to some extent and failed
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Speaker 4: to move crucial punctuations. So this alerted people, particularly at
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Speaker 4: places like the Times Higher Education supplement, and one would
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Speaker 4: be sort of more sympathetic to Jason Arde, who resigned
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Speaker 4: yesterday from his position and came which were not for
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Speaker 4: the fact that when a journalist from Times Higher Education
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Speaker 4: wrote to him very politely, apparently inquiring about his academic background,
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Speaker 4: which includes claims that he was at Ohio State University,
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Speaker 4: They've never heard of him, and all sorts of other
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Speaker 4: fabulous biographical claims running six hundred miles in six days,
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Speaker 4: being on the professional snooker tour, and playing semi professional football,
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Speaker 4: all sorts of things completely unverified.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, when this journalist.
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Speaker 4: Wrote to are They, he discovered later that are They
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Speaker 4: had called the police on him for harassment, even though
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Speaker 4: the journalist Jack Grow was really only doing his job
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Speaker 4: asking questions about his qualifications. The news story was killed
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Speaker 4: John Moore's University in Liverpool, where they originally issued his PhD,
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Speaker 4: believe it or not, in spite of the welter of
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Speaker 4: evidence that it was almost entirely plagiarized, and the bits
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Speaker 4: that weren't were very poor quality. Apparently they backed him
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Speaker 4: up and they validated his thesis once again. By this
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Speaker 4: time he was at Cambridge University and they stood by him.
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Speaker 4: They were very angry and upset about the allegations until
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Speaker 4: just this week when the amount of evidence the extraordinary
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Speaker 4: claims about his life, which would do to be published
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Speaker 4: only next week by Simon Schuster, I believe or came
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Speaker 4: to light. Now, finally this has prompted some senior dons
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Speaker 4: to act, and they're circulating a letter calling for a
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Speaker 4: full and open inquiry that must include independent actors. They
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Speaker 4: don't just want the university investigating itself, because it turns
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Speaker 4: out that he really was woefully underqualified for the job.
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Speaker 4: The reason he was hired, of course, is because of
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Speaker 4: the color of his skin is black, and in the
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Speaker 4: wake of the Black Lives Matter farrago, there was a
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Speaker 4: rush to appoint people of color to all sorts of
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Speaker 4: positions at academic institutions, and this actually put our day
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Speaker 4: in an extremely vulnerable position. So the dons at Cambridge
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Speaker 4: are very concerned about the racism that the unmasking of
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Speaker 4: Jason Arday has unleashed. But let's have a look quickly
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Speaker 4: now at a news clip at the time of his appointment.
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Speaker 4: This is the fawning Hillary Krimin, his boss as head
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Speaker 4: of the Department of Education at Cambridge University, welcoming Jason R.
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Speaker 2: Day to the faculty. As we can see now.
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Speaker 1: And now Jason is days away from achieving another ambition.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Here's his new boss at Cambridge.
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Speaker 5: We do have a lot of work to do, but
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Speaker 5: I feel really optimistic there.
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Speaker 6: Will be doing.
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Speaker 1: Is I think this is a tokenistic appointment? What are
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this?
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Speaker 5: The Board of electors on your interview, they were absolutely unanimous.
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Speaker 5: We are so lucky to have you. You are the
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Speaker 5: best in the world in terms of the research that
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Speaker 5: you do.
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Speaker 1: An extraordinary journey.
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Speaker 2: But for Jason, this is not an end, it's a beginning.
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Speaker 2: The reaction has been amazing now.
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Speaker 4: Academics who spoke to the Guardian newspaper said that they
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Speaker 4: were surprised by our Day's appointment at the time in
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, with one sociologist admitting to never having
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Speaker 4: heard of him before.
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Speaker 2: When it was announced.
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Speaker 4: I looked for his body of work and it was disappointing,
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Speaker 4: to say the least, and central, of course to our
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Speaker 4: day's appointment was Professor Hillary Kremin, who you see there,
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Speaker 4: and the extent to which disappointment was.
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Speaker 2: Paraded in the media by the university.
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Speaker 4: As we saw there raises questions, say academics, about whether
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Speaker 4: the university sought public kudos for itself rather than teaching
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Speaker 4: and research. From this appointment. Kremin herself. Well, she might
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Speaker 4: not be the best qualified either, as we can see
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Speaker 4: Poultry two thousand academic citations over the course of her
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Speaker 4: entire twenty six year career, whereas in similar fields an
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Speaker 4: academic of that elevated status might expect to acquire two
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Speaker 4: thousand citations per year rather than over a twenty six
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Speaker 4: year period. Nevertheless, there's been a huge pylon on our day.
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Speaker 4: Gb News all the corporate media are taking various stances,
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Speaker 4: of course about this absurd frankly the file analysis DEI appointment,
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Speaker 4: but at the same time are assiduously avoiding another significant
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Speaker 4: development at a university this week, which was, of course,
23:02
Speaker 4: as we reported on Wednesday, David Miller's victory over Bristol University,
23:10
Speaker 4: and I was pleasantly surprised to see this because when
23:13
Speaker 4: I spoke to David a few years ago and asked him,
23:16
Speaker 4: following the initial winning judgment at the First Tribune, whether
23:20
Speaker 4: or not he hoped to return to Bristol, said he thought.
23:23
Speaker 2: It was highly unlikely.
23:24
Speaker 4: But as we can see from that headline, he's obviously
23:27
Speaker 4: now much more optimistic about returning to Bristol.
23:31
Speaker 2: And why not.
23:31
Speaker 4: He's fully entitled to do so, and he should be
23:34
Speaker 4: compensated for the time he was deprived of his job.
23:39
Speaker 4: The university itself, well, they put out a rather cryptic statement,
23:44
Speaker 4: a spokesman saying we recognize the Employment I Appeals Tribunal judgment,
23:49
Speaker 4: although we disappointed with its finding. Well, you need to
23:51
Speaker 4: do more than recognize it, you need to fully embrace it.
23:54
Speaker 4: Bristol Our core objectives, they say, are to ensure all
23:57
Speaker 4: students thrive at the University of Britain still and to
24:00
Speaker 4: perfect freedom of speech and expression. Well, that's news to David.
24:04
Speaker 4: A fundamental part of that care and consideration, of course.
24:09
Speaker 4: Still outstanding is the letter sound signed by one hundred parliamentarians.
24:15
Speaker 4: Really outrageous stuff, this calling for David's dismissal, accusing him
24:22
Speaker 4: of conspiratorial thinking when back, all he's doing is analyzing
24:28
Speaker 4: information available in the public domain and leaving his own
24:32
Speaker 4: students to draw their own conclusions. David's field of work,
24:36
Speaker 4: of course, being the analysis of power. David has been
24:42
Speaker 4: inciting hatred against your students on your campus. Well, that
24:44
Speaker 4: is a flat out lie, as was demonstrated by the
24:49
Speaker 4: employment tribunal.
24:50
Speaker 2: There's no evidence to support that whatsoever. And there is
24:55
Speaker 2: the list.
24:55
Speaker 4: Of the guilty who should now all be withdrawing their
24:59
Speaker 4: signature and writing to David in a fullsome apology now
25:05
Speaker 4: that anti Zionist views are recognized as being worthy of
25:10
Speaker 4: respect in a democratic society, and Patrick.
25:16
Speaker 2: Over to you.
25:17
Speaker 4: Only one of these stories has found a home in
25:20
Speaker 4: the legacy media.
25:22
Speaker 3: Well, I thought that was worth pointing out, was that
25:25
Speaker 3: at the time when this should have gotten national traction,
25:27
Speaker 3: that David Biller story, it's even getting international traction, but
25:30
Speaker 3: in Britain almost nothing. And suddenly we have the Jason
25:35
Speaker 3: Arde story which is just dominating every single media outlet
25:38
Speaker 3: all over the tabloids. Is that a coincidence? I'm not sure,
25:42
Speaker 3: because they're both They both have to do with the
25:44
Speaker 3: weaponization of identity politics, right, Although two different types of
25:48
Speaker 3: identity politics. You have the Dei nightmare on one side
25:52
Speaker 3: with Cambridge, and then you have well Zionism is probably
25:56
Speaker 3: the highest form and most weaponized form of identity politics
26:00
Speaker 3: if you think about it, because he even has a
26:02
Speaker 3: geopolitical scope to it, an internationalized scope to it. And
26:07
Speaker 3: David Miller, unfortunately was a victim of that clearly at
26:11
Speaker 3: his institution, which defended that type of identity politics, just
26:15
Speaker 3: as Cambridge was defending the identity politics of you could
26:19
Speaker 3: say wokeness or Dei. They were too embarrassed to go
26:24
Speaker 3: back on that appointment would have been hugely embarrassing for
26:27
Speaker 3: the institution, so they defended him right up to the
26:30
Speaker 3: very last moment, exactly the same way as Bristol University
26:35
Speaker 3: defended their decision to push one of their decorated faculty
26:40
Speaker 3: out of his job and cut caw tal to a
26:43
Speaker 3: very powerful and well financed lobby. That's what it looks
26:47
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27:35
Speaker 3: is suggesting that the United States is fighting the wrong enemy. Patrick,
27:42
Speaker 3: let's come up to date now on RAN. Yes, a
27:46
Speaker 3: lot of a lot has happened in the last forty
27:48
Speaker 3: eight hours on this. We're going to just give you
27:50
Speaker 3: a quick update on this. Here are we seeing Iran
27:54
Speaker 3: were fatigue? Well, look at the state of the US president.
27:57
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to argue that is not the case.
28:02
Speaker 3: There he is Donald Trump, who's as slovenly as ever
28:06
Speaker 3: here and basically this is the latest here us around Worleys.
28:10
Speaker 3: Trump claims the straits of Hormus are sort of open,
28:14
Speaker 3: but protects predicts that Tehran will seek peace soon. So
28:19
Speaker 3: it just it oscillates from one day to the next.
28:21
Speaker 3: That's why I don't want to get into the tit
28:23
Speaker 3: for tat with Trump because it literally changes every twelve
28:27
Speaker 3: or twenty four hours here. But let's look at what
28:29
Speaker 3: really matters here. And when you see pieces like this
28:32
Speaker 3: in the Telegraph, ostensibly a very pro war publication in
28:37
Speaker 3: the UK, here this is proof that Iran has won
28:41
Speaker 3: the war. They're basically admitting here that the United States
28:44
Speaker 3: really doesn't have any cards to play around in Oman
28:47
Speaker 3: control the marine traffic and the Persian Gulf. Two countries
28:51
Speaker 3: will also charge a fee yet to be set to
28:53
Speaker 3: cover environmental security and staffing costs. So you're talking about
28:56
Speaker 3: a deal between Iran and Oman. I don't see the
28:59
Speaker 3: United States in that deal at all. We'll bring this
29:02
Speaker 3: back here and finally Iran's deputy Foign Minister. This cements
29:06
Speaker 3: Iran's effective sovereignty over the Strait. This was always a
29:10
Speaker 3: possible outcome of the June MoU here and we'll just
29:15
Speaker 3: move on on the back end of this. Here we
29:19
Speaker 3: have the Pentagon. Basically it's now holding crisis meetings and
29:22
Speaker 3: it seems as if Trump is confronting Pete Hegseth over
29:27
Speaker 3: the empty and dwindling munitions, no pack three interceptors, no
29:31
Speaker 3: Patriot missile batteries. They're running low on pretty much everything.
29:35
Speaker 3: And in turn, Hegseeth is now throwing. There is Donald
29:39
Speaker 3: screaming at hegg Seth. Here're probably giving me the hairdryer treatment.
29:43
Speaker 3: Hegseth throws the Deputy Secretary of War, Steve Feinberg, a
29:50
Speaker 3: hedge fund manager, basically running things at the Department of
29:54
Speaker 3: War under the bus. So the blame game has begun.
29:58
Speaker 3: The scapegoats seem to be there, and we look at
30:01
Speaker 3: that sort of narrative, Mike, Now, clearly the United States
30:04
Speaker 3: has not given up. They're still going to try to
30:06
Speaker 3: muscle in on Oman. I think that's pretty clear that
30:09
Speaker 3: that's going to happen, and we could see around of escalation.
30:13
Speaker 3: The war's not over, although the Telegraph and other pundits
30:16
Speaker 3: are declaring that Iran has effectively won the war. In
30:19
Speaker 3: other words, they've subdued the United States in the US
30:21
Speaker 3: has no leverage, really no hand to play. But the
30:24
Speaker 3: US do have a hand to play, which is chaos
30:26
Speaker 3: and destruction, and they haven't given up yet. That's important here.
30:30
Speaker 3: But pressure is being put to bear on the US. Now,
30:32
Speaker 3: what we talked about weapons shortages, is that a conversation
30:36
Speaker 3: that's feeding into this conversation. Let's take a look here
30:41
Speaker 3: Pentagon drawing up new nuclear weapons strategies for war with
30:46
Speaker 3: Russia and China. And here's the concern. The strategy, overseen
30:49
Speaker 3: by Eldridge Colby, the Pentagon's policy chief, would place a
30:54
Speaker 3: greater emphasis on short range tactical nuclear weapons. They're just
30:58
Speaker 3: as lethal and dangerous and destructive as strategic nuclear weapons,
31:03
Speaker 3: make no mistake about it in a regional war. So
31:06
Speaker 3: you can see now deploying overseas for regional war. The
31:10
Speaker 3: wording is very specific. Pay attention to that here. And
31:14
Speaker 3: this is the worry that the experts are having here.
31:17
Speaker 3: This is from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, one of
31:20
Speaker 3: the sort of advocacy groups that are awarding off a
31:24
Speaker 3: nuclear war and trying to call for de escalation and
31:28
Speaker 3: disarmament on nuclear weapons. Why Congress and senior officials must
31:32
Speaker 3: deny Trump the quote nuclear escape in Iran? And what
31:36
Speaker 3: are we talking about there, Mike, It's exactly that. It's
31:39
Speaker 3: that excuse that well, this can't be won conventionally, so
31:43
Speaker 3: the only real option here is to end it, to
31:46
Speaker 3: finally subdue the quote threat of Iran is going to
31:49
Speaker 3: be we have to use nuclear weapons. So is that
31:52
Speaker 3: the way the conversation is drifting now? Is it pushing
31:56
Speaker 3: towards that consensus? That's the question that we're asking.
32:00
Speaker 1: And the same goes for the United Kingdom, and we're
32:02
Speaker 1: sticking with the Bolton for atomic scientists. But I did
32:05
Speaker 1: report this a few weeks ago, but let's just bring
32:07
Speaker 1: us on screen because it's worth reminding everyone of because sorry, sorry, Yeah.
32:13
Speaker 1: Last month the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists published this article
32:17
Speaker 1: headlined is London shifting from nuclear deterrence to war fighting
32:21
Speaker 1: And they began with the twenty twenty one decision to
32:23
Speaker 1: increase the number of nuclear warheads from one hundred and
32:26
Speaker 1: eighty to two hundred and sixty. They highlight the planned
32:29
Speaker 1: by twelve nuclear capable F thirty fives, which they suggest
32:32
Speaker 1: would be stalled stationed at raf Lake and Heath Air
32:36
Speaker 1: Base and capable of delivering B sixty one twelve nuclear
32:40
Speaker 1: gravity bombs. As I said, if you remember this, it
32:43
Speaker 1: was inaccurate because actually those will be based at raf Moram,
32:46
Speaker 1: which is about twenty miles from Lake and Heath, and
32:49
Speaker 1: probably the confusion comes from the fact that US nuclear
32:52
Speaker 1: armed F thirty fives are based at Lake and Heath.
32:55
Speaker 1: In fact, we've been reporting on UK nuke's back on
32:59
Speaker 1: UK soils October twenty twenty four when it came to
33:02
Speaker 1: light the US Congress received an Air Force budgetary request
33:06
Speaker 1: to build a surety dormitory in Lakenheath. Neither the term
33:09
Speaker 1: security is used in US military parlance to refer to
33:13
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons being safe, secure, and under positive control. But
33:17
Speaker 1: only getting back to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, they
33:20
Speaker 1: say the decision to station tactical nukes on UK soil
33:23
Speaker 1: amounts the facto settlement of the long running debate over
33:27
Speaker 1: adopting a doctrine of no first use or sole purpose
33:31
Speaker 1: and over the future of nuclear tactical nuclear weapons in NATO.
33:35
Speaker 1: The deployment of high position, variable yield kundter force weapons
33:39
Speaker 1: signals a willingness to carry out retaliatory or preemptive nuclear
33:43
Speaker 1: strikes on an adversary. It can't be a coincidence, Patrick
33:47
Speaker 1: that the doctrine seems to be changing on both sides
33:51
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic at the same time.
33:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, clearly there's a conversation that's moving here, Mike,
33:56
Speaker 3: and I just want to remind people. Look, they've wargamed
33:58
Speaker 3: out all of these scenario by the way, and they
34:01
Speaker 3: always end in full on nuclear conflagration. Everybody loses. And
34:07
Speaker 3: these low yield, low yield tactical nuclear weapons with multiple
34:11
Speaker 3: yields the size of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So you're going
34:15
Speaker 3: to get your nuclear winter, you're going to get your
34:18
Speaker 3: adverse environmental conditions, total devastation of weather patterns, you get
34:22
Speaker 3: all that with tactical nuclear weapons. Just reminding people they're
34:26
Speaker 3: not like tiny nukes or sort of little baby nukes
34:30
Speaker 3: that you can just kind of throw around. No, this
34:32
Speaker 3: is serious and they're not telling you this, and that
34:35
Speaker 3: should worry people.
34:37
Speaker 2: Basil.
34:37
Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of the justification for all this
34:40
Speaker 1: is that Russia is going to kill us all in
34:42
Speaker 1: our beds. We've seen increasing numbers of alleged drone attacks
34:47
Speaker 1: or accidents involving drones into Romania and Poland and other countries,
34:52
Speaker 1: but perhaps this is the first time we've seen a
34:55
Speaker 1: drone incident in Germany.
34:59
Speaker 4: Yes, my much being made of this and the Ukrainians
35:03
Speaker 4: are directly accusing the Russians of being behind it. In
35:07
Speaker 4: a moment, I'll be speaking to journalists and filmmaker Polman
35:11
Speaker 4: about the fallout from this event. But here are the
35:14
Speaker 4: basic facts.
35:15
Speaker 2: From France.
35:16
Speaker 7: Twenty four, a bomb disposal robot inspected the tarmac at
35:21
Speaker 7: Leipzig Airport after a drone equipped with explosives had just
35:25
Speaker 7: been spotted. It was only a few meters away from
35:28
Speaker 7: these Antonov Airlines planes, a Ukrainian cargo airline. Shortly afterward,
35:33
Speaker 7: there was a second incident at Leipzig Airport involving a
35:36
Speaker 7: DHL aircraft after it collided with an unidentified object in midflight.
35:41
Speaker 7: Fortunately it landed safely in Hanover, sustaining only minor damage.
35:45
Speaker 7: The country's interior minister condemned the attack, saying it's being
35:49
Speaker 7: taken extremely seriously.
35:53
Speaker 8: Seen.
35:56
Speaker 6: I can certainly understand the intuition that these threats are
35:58
Speaker 6: not the work of amateur niche. Rather, they're required a
36:02
Speaker 6: very professional preparation.
36:03
Speaker 9: And execution professional for provided sign mists and c and
36:08
Speaker 9: vet developed stoon.
36:11
Speaker 6: We are dealing with the contests here which possibly involves
36:14
Speaker 6: for empowers similist.
36:16
Speaker 7: Leipzig airport is a key logistics hub for NATO. It
36:19
Speaker 7: facilitates the transport of supplies and civilians to Ukraine, which
36:23
Speaker 7: Berlin has actively supported since the start of the Russian invasion.
36:27
Speaker 7: According to the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Moscow is undoubtedly
36:31
Speaker 7: responsible for this incident. A country terrorism investigation has been launched.
36:39
Speaker 4: Yes, as we heard the Ukraine directly accusing the Russians.
36:44
Speaker 4: But it turns out there's more to this story than
36:47
Speaker 4: meets the eye. One would think this was an extremely
36:50
Speaker 4: dangerous object, but to unpack the details. Now joining me
36:56
Speaker 4: is Dork Pulman Derk.
36:58
Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.
37:01
Speaker 9: Hi, very glad to be with you again.
37:04
Speaker 5: Yeah.
37:05
Speaker 4: Likewise, if you listen to Alexander Dobrin there this was
37:09
Speaker 4: a sort of major threat to the German state and
37:14
Speaker 4: from another state actor, almost an act of war. But
37:17
Speaker 4: the fact so that it was actually a very small
37:19
Speaker 4: and arguably harmless little device.
37:22
Speaker 2: Wasn't it.
37:24
Speaker 9: It is a very strange case. It's much ado about,
37:28
Speaker 9: not very much. To give you one example, how the
37:32
Speaker 9: drone was taken out of operation by the bus driver
37:37
Speaker 9: who was carrying around a group of so called planeespotters,
37:43
Speaker 9: and what he did I read in the newspaper is
37:45
Speaker 9: he kicked it out of the air with his feet.
37:48
Speaker 9: So I was thinking about Bruce Lee or something in effect.
37:53
Speaker 9: The drone was very low on the ground, it was
37:55
Speaker 9: sitting on the ground and he just stepped on it.
37:58
Speaker 9: And then this enormously elaborated device had what we hear
38:04
Speaker 9: now is something like eight net grams of sentex, which
38:07
Speaker 9: is a lot a drums. Is not not to be forsaken.
38:11
Speaker 9: But the the drone itself is a four qua quad
38:18
Speaker 9: cop desk. It's called and it's a device that you
38:21
Speaker 9: can buy in a supermarket or in a hobby shop.
38:26
Speaker 9: So this is not extremely elaborated. And the explosive was
38:32
Speaker 9: put into a tin can and fed under the under
38:37
Speaker 9: the drone. So these all these things together. Then if
38:40
Speaker 9: you look at the reporting here in Germany, they tell
38:43
Speaker 9: you in the first moment, it was that these are
38:46
Speaker 9: one who force condor NATO code the biggest transport in
38:51
Speaker 9: the world, and they are sitting on liiptick. If you
38:54
Speaker 9: drive by Lipstick you see them every night.
38:56
Speaker 2: Uh.
38:56
Speaker 9: And they this one allegedly had weapons on board to
39:02
Speaker 9: be delivered to Ukraine, and then they said no yesterday
39:05
Speaker 9: it had weapons on board. And the next thing that
39:08
Speaker 9: I read it was that this amount of syntax that
39:12
Speaker 9: was in the tin can is double the amount of
39:15
Speaker 9: the plane, double the amount that brought down the lockerby flight.
39:19
Speaker 9: So you can see from this that they're very hard.
39:24
Speaker 9: They talk about asymmetric warfare. The assumption that it was
39:28
Speaker 9: Russia is immediately there, but if you look at it,
39:32
Speaker 9: then it could be anybody. Really, yeah, it could be
39:35
Speaker 9: anybody who did this. Because it's not specialized equipment. You
39:38
Speaker 9: will not find probably any clue in the device itself.
39:45
Speaker 9: And it looks like the amount of the reporting on
39:48
Speaker 9: it is the biggest hump that we have. It's not
39:51
Speaker 9: the thing itself, not the incident. And then they connected
39:54
Speaker 9: to another incident. And then the same night there was
39:58
Speaker 9: a DHL cargo plane which was supposed to land in
40:01
Speaker 9: Leipsick and it hits near the fence of the airport.
40:05
Speaker 9: It hit an object which now is considered also to
40:09
Speaker 9: be a drone and that left a dent in the
40:12
Speaker 9: bow of the planet. Was diverted to Hanofa, it's about
40:17
Speaker 9: four hundred five minutes kilometers away and landed there safely.
40:20
Speaker 9: So what we have is things are pumped into the
40:24
Speaker 9: media to give you this idea of a hybrid warfare
40:28
Speaker 9: going on. And in the end, what it should mean
40:32
Speaker 9: is Putine is behind all of that, and he's at
40:35
Speaker 9: the gates at the Fence's be aware.
40:38
Speaker 4: And of course the propaganda is used to increase calls
40:43
Speaker 4: for more war spending. It's as simple as that, isn't it.
40:47
Speaker 4: NATO is being charged with ramping up its defense expenditure.
40:52
Speaker 4: We hear endlessly more bellicose rhetoric, both in Germany and
40:57
Speaker 4: in Britain, and it's a strategy of tension being built,
41:00
Speaker 4: isn't it.
41:01
Speaker 2: There.
41:03
Speaker 9: Yes, just one day ago, OsO Love on the Lion
41:08
Speaker 9: presented that Ukraine will get another one point seven billion
41:14
Speaker 9: in English terms and British an American terms, so one thousand,
41:19
Speaker 9: seven hundred million euros for arms that is taken from
41:26
Speaker 9: money that was frozen, Russian money that was frozen, and
41:30
Speaker 9: they will hand it over to Ukraine. The problem with
41:33
Speaker 9: Ukraine is that now that the Russians turned from a
41:38
Speaker 9: war of attrition which was going on for three years,
41:41
Speaker 9: there on full strike mode and Odessa is blocked, so
41:46
Speaker 9: there's no nothing coming in, nothing coming out by sea,
41:49
Speaker 9: and it's looking dire. Ukraine simply has not enough soldiers left.
41:54
Speaker 9: They have something like thirteen hundred foreign soldiers now fighting
41:58
Speaker 9: in Ukraine, and that really trying to get all the
42:02
Speaker 9: refugees that went, for example, to Germany or to other
42:05
Speaker 9: European countries fleeing from the war they are supposed to
42:09
Speaker 9: go back there are in an extraction mode to bring
42:12
Speaker 9: them back to Ukraine. So the situation is dire, it
42:17
Speaker 9: is coming to an end. It's pretty similar really to Iran.
42:22
Speaker 9: If you look at that, then you see how you
42:25
Speaker 9: only ask how will you try to get out of this,
42:28
Speaker 9: of this mess? And right now? So I would consider
42:32
Speaker 9: the possibility that this is an attempt to simply divert
42:36
Speaker 9: attention from the upcoming catastrophe, military catastrophe. You can see
42:41
Speaker 9: how the front lines are and all the facts that
42:44
Speaker 9: data show that Russia is winning the war and now
42:47
Speaker 9: with ever increasing speed, and as a fun notice, i'd
42:51
Speaker 9: like to that maybe not, it's not really directed, but
42:55
Speaker 9: I had immediately to think about it. We had a
42:58
Speaker 9: very prominent case in Germany which was called the Whole
43:03
Speaker 9: of Celler where into the prison where the most important
43:09
Speaker 9: German terrorist set was blown, a whole of forty centimeters
43:13
Speaker 9: and that was a big media frenzy it was reported,
43:15
Speaker 9: and then afterwards a few years later it came out
43:19
Speaker 9: that it was done by German intelligence to create an
43:23
Speaker 9: incidence where they could insert people like double agents into
43:30
Speaker 9: the groups. That what they tried, and the guy who
43:32
Speaker 9: was informed about was was Aernstebrech. He's the father of
43:36
Speaker 9: Ozillav on the line. So she comes from a family
43:38
Speaker 9: who's very knowledgeable about these kind of operations. And I
43:43
Speaker 9: think to anybody who's looked into the history of intelligence operations,
43:48
Speaker 9: things like this smell like there's something else to it
43:52
Speaker 9: that meets the eye, and especially then meets the eye
43:55
Speaker 9: if you watch TV.
43:58
Speaker 4: Experience of that in this country seven to seven the
44:04
Speaker 4: tube and bus bombings, which were attributed to four young
44:07
Speaker 4: Muslim lads from Leeds, but in fact all they had
44:11
Speaker 4: access to was black pepper to make a bomb. But
44:15
Speaker 4: the head of French intelligence, who was in London the
44:17
Speaker 4: day after the bombing, said that military grade explosives had
44:21
Speaker 4: clearly been used to blow holes in tube trains. So yes, sadly,
44:25
Speaker 4: and as Patrick pointed out, a moment ago, co Intel
44:29
Speaker 4: pro the massaging of Patsy's into position in order to
44:35
Speaker 4: attribute blame for wherever the state wants it apportioned. It
44:40
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to have gone away, does it read it's
44:43
Speaker 4: ugly head in Germany?
44:44
Speaker 2: Again quite possibly.
44:47
Speaker 9: That I don't know, but I can say that is immediately.
44:51
Speaker 9: I mean, these things, if you know about them, then
44:53
Speaker 9: you see a pattern all the time. And care intelpro
44:57
Speaker 9: is a very dirty story if you look at it.
45:00
Speaker 9: Murder and it was simply to frame also the people
45:03
Speaker 9: from the Black Resistance movement as very dangerous terrorists who
45:07
Speaker 9: had to be taken out by the stage. So this
45:10
Speaker 9: is that's not new, and that also is not really
45:15
Speaker 9: connected to this case. But I started to read about Ohana,
45:19
Speaker 9: so the Czarist Russian intelligence Service, because they were the
45:22
Speaker 9: masters of these kinds of deception operations, blowing up people
45:26
Speaker 9: from your own side to so trying to increase to
45:30
Speaker 9: have something like a problem and a fire and you
45:33
Speaker 9: come with a fire truck and it puts gasoline on
45:36
Speaker 9: the fire. So this is what Ohana was famous for,
45:39
Speaker 9: and that of course went into into the next Russian
45:45
Speaker 9: or Soviet intelligence service, but also into other intelligence services.
45:49
Speaker 9: And we are always told as if these people are
45:53
Speaker 9: not capable of doing these things. When you look at history,
45:56
Speaker 9: if you go back thirty years, then you have a
45:58
Speaker 9: good sometimes a good chance to go to the archives
46:01
Speaker 9: and you see it's all over. So you citizens who
46:04
Speaker 9: have a brain between the years should be very careful
46:07
Speaker 9: when they hear stories like these. You should, and it's
46:10
Speaker 9: not especially if it's a media frenzy after that, then
46:14
Speaker 9: you should be extremely careful. What you're fed, what, who
46:18
Speaker 9: wants to make you? What? What to believe?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, thank you very much indeed for joining today
46:27
Speaker 4: on your gay column news don't Bowman.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Basil, thank you very much for that. Thank you, Derek.
46:35
Speaker 1: Now let's move on then, Patrick to west Streeting. What's
46:39
Speaker 1: he been up to? And of course for those who
46:41
Speaker 1: don't know, here is our secret state for war.
46:44
Speaker 3: For war, yes not defense, yes not defense. Let's take
46:47
Speaker 3: a look at what west Stream has been up to.
46:49
Speaker 3: This is Jodie McIntyre seems to have got a hold
46:53
Speaker 3: of this here received more information. But west Streeting's financial arrangements, labor,
46:58
Speaker 3: defense secretaries, cabinet becoming increasingly untenable. But how and why
47:03
Speaker 3: that's the question. Well, take a look at this. You'll
47:06
Speaker 3: see a familiar face here next to the Secretary of
47:09
Speaker 3: State for Defense, that's Sam Bankman Freed. And it turns
47:13
Speaker 3: out new Labor Defense secretary accepted a donation from a
47:16
Speaker 3: think tank linked to the convicted fraudster of FTX. That
47:24
Speaker 3: the name of the crypto scammer extraordinary, Sam Bankman Freed.
47:28
Speaker 3: So the receipts are in on this here, and it's
47:31
Speaker 3: very interesting. The name of the organization here is Labor
47:35
Speaker 3: for the Long Term. Now you heard of Labor together
47:38
Speaker 3: and that last Morgan McSweeney scandal that blew up thanks
47:41
Speaker 3: to the work of journalists like Jody McIntyre and also
47:45
Speaker 3: Paul Holden, author of the fraud here. But here's the kicker,
47:49
Speaker 3: Mike August twenty twenty two bringing that back up on screen.
47:52
Speaker 3: Just a month after Sam Bankman Freed's five hundred thousand
47:56
Speaker 3: pounds payment to David Lawrence of Labor for the Long Term.
48:01
Speaker 3: The Defense Minister currently West Treating, then received a thirty
48:04
Speaker 3: thousand pound donation from Labor for the Long Term. He
48:09
Speaker 3: used it to hire Thomas Gardner Gardener a gardener here
48:14
Speaker 3: as policy advisor. Effectively, Gardner's salary was paid for by
48:19
Speaker 3: Labor for the Long Term that's the implication here by
48:22
Speaker 3: Jodi McIntyre. Obviously he has published what he considers to
48:26
Speaker 3: be receipts in this. Is this scandal going to go anywhere?
48:30
Speaker 3: We'll see, But it's certainly as interesting, isn't how the
48:34
Speaker 3: money from this ponzi scheme made its way into British
48:38
Speaker 3: politics among other places.
48:40
Speaker 1: I mean, the amounts of money we're talking about here,
48:42
Speaker 1: Patrick is still relatively small compared to the corruption in
48:46
Speaker 1: the United States politics. But clearly we're starting to learn
48:48
Speaker 1: something that I would suggest that people in the political
48:50
Speaker 1: sphere in the UK are clearly looking with some envy
48:53
Speaker 1: at what's going on on the other side of the
48:54
Speaker 1: Atlantic and inviting some of the same types of money
48:57
Speaker 1: into British politics. There would be a bad direct to
49:00
Speaker 1: go into.
49:01
Speaker 3: And it also look at Jody mcintar's work, because there's
49:04
Speaker 3: also another company adjacent to this, run by former IDF soldiers.
49:09
Speaker 3: They also got five hundred thousand pounds injected into them,
49:13
Speaker 3: and they're also connections to the Labor Party as well,
49:16
Speaker 3: So it's a web that's there and extends. Look at
49:20
Speaker 3: Jody mcintar's x account. We encourage people to do that
49:24
Speaker 3: and we'll try to leave the links in the show notes.
49:27
Speaker 1: Now let's move on to online safety. And of course,
49:30
Speaker 1: over the last lot of months and years we've been
49:34
Speaker 1: talking about the rollout of edge verification beginning in the UK,
49:37
Speaker 1: but other countries as well, and it's no different than
49:39
Speaker 1: the US. So a United States judge the judgments on
49:43
Speaker 1: screen at the moment in New Mexico has ordered Meta
49:46
Speaker 1: to pay five hundred and sixty seven million pounds sorry
49:49
Speaker 1: million dollars, that's four hundred and twenty one million pounds
49:52
Speaker 1: for failing to warn the public upon dangerous as platforms
49:56
Speaker 1: post to children. This is the largest fine post on
49:59
Speaker 1: metas over child safety, and the judge said Meta is
50:03
Speaker 1: a public nuisance like air pollution and that it has
50:06
Speaker 1: to put the money in a fund aimed at reducing
50:09
Speaker 1: future harms. Now that the ruling which came yesterday is
50:12
Speaker 1: in addition to three hundred and seventy five million dollars
50:15
Speaker 1: in fine, So if we just put that back on
50:16
Speaker 1: screen for a second, because that takes a total now
50:19
Speaker 1: to nine hundred and forty two million dollars Mexico. New
50:22
Speaker 1: Mexico is a state of only two million people or so,
50:24
Speaker 1: and over the next eighteen months. Meta faces a huge
50:29
Speaker 1: number of lawsuits being brought by users, parents of children
50:33
Speaker 1: using the platform, school districts, other states. Of course, Meta
50:38
Speaker 1: has a huge income sixty one billion dollars in the
50:40
Speaker 1: last quarter alone, and many are describing what this is
50:45
Speaker 1: or describing this as a slap in the wrist or
50:47
Speaker 1: just the cost of doing business. Undoubtedly, they're going to appeal,
50:51
Speaker 1: and they're going to aim to keep this case tied
50:53
Speaker 1: up up in the store in the courts forever, as
50:56
Speaker 1: well as all the other cases that they face. So quiet,
50:59
Speaker 1: the question is why is New Mexico taking this action. Well,
51:03
Speaker 1: in February twenty twenty five, there was an attempt to
51:05
Speaker 1: bring a bill, the Digital Age Verification Act in New Mexico,
51:09
Speaker 1: and that failed at committee stage and there was no
51:14
Speaker 1: return of that legislation in the twenty twenty six session.
51:17
Speaker 1: So since democracy didn't work, the state and said brought
51:21
Speaker 1: instead brought this court action. And part of the action
51:23
Speaker 1: was to ask the judge for a hard age verification mandate.
51:27
Speaker 1: So they wanted ninety nine percent accuracy in keeping under
51:30
Speaker 1: thirteens off Facebook and Instagram. They wanted a court appointed
51:34
Speaker 1: compliance monitor, and they wanted a ninety hour monthly usage
51:37
Speaker 1: cap for New Mexico teenagers. Now, the judge turned that
51:41
Speaker 1: down on two grands. First of all, Copper, which is
51:43
Speaker 1: the child. The Children's Online Privacy Protection rule prevents ordering
51:47
Speaker 1: Meta to request personal data from children or passively tracking children,
51:52
Speaker 1: even for age verification purposes. And then also imposing verification
51:56
Speaker 1: on Meta alone, the judge said, and not compare editors
52:00
Speaker 1: would be inequitable and on July injurious. So maybe Meta
52:04
Speaker 1: will keep this in the courts forever, or maybe they'll
52:07
Speaker 1: settle by making some kind of deal on age verification
52:10
Speaker 1: which goes beyond what the court did order, which was
52:12
Speaker 1: a Meta must continue improving its its assurance tools in
52:16
Speaker 1: New Mexico. And then, in related news, I just wanted
52:20
Speaker 1: to end this segment on a little bit of amusement
52:23
Speaker 1: because Valley News is reporting here that every Flock license
52:27
Speaker 1: plate reader camera operated by Winona Police Department has been
52:32
Speaker 1: sawn off a and stolen, sawn off the poll that
52:36
Speaker 1: was on and stolen, and what investigators believe was a
52:39
Speaker 1: coordinated theft so D cameras in this case taken on
52:43
Speaker 1: the first of August, according to Winona Police Department, and
52:47
Speaker 1: a police patrol officer first noticed the cameras had not
52:50
Speaker 1: sent any alerts in twenty four hours, and when officers
52:53
Speaker 1: check the locations, they find the cameras have been put
52:56
Speaker 1: cut from their polls and taken with the polls left behind.
53:00
Speaker 1: Of course, Flock has been in the news quite a
53:01
Speaker 1: lot recently because it's AI driven and it's something which
53:05
Speaker 1: you know, Americans in particular are really reilling against. But nonetheless,
53:12
Speaker 1: this seems to be something that maybe is growing because
53:15
Speaker 1: we're uh other cameras stolen in other parts of the
53:20
Speaker 1: country on the same same day at the same time,
53:22
Speaker 1: so so you know, maybe they're taking some inspiration with
53:26
Speaker 1: what's been going on in London with the with the
53:29
Speaker 1: cameras being chopped on there.
53:30
Speaker 3: But you know, what do you think about this, Well,
53:32
Speaker 3: there's also a clash of the titans here. Flock main
53:36
Speaker 3: owners in terms of shareholders, people linked to Mark and
53:39
Speaker 3: Dreesen and Res and Horowitz, Peter Thiel, Sam Altman and
53:43
Speaker 3: so forth, those tech skions from the Silicon Valley. The competitor,
53:48
Speaker 3: I believe his name is Axion, that's black Rock, State
53:55
Speaker 3: Street and Vanguard Institutional Vestors, and they there's implications that
53:59
Speaker 3: they're running influence campaigns to demonize Flock so that they're
54:03
Speaker 3: going to lose market share and adoption from all of
54:06
Speaker 3: these state government institutions, and then Axion will move in
54:10
Speaker 3: with their system, which of course will be much more
54:13
Speaker 3: freedom based. Right I don't think so, But there's that
54:17
Speaker 3: going on as well. So you know the piracy and
54:21
Speaker 3: criminality at the very highest levels of society, yes, and
54:25
Speaker 3: high finance, make no mistake about it, folks, that's the
54:28
Speaker 3: era we live.
54:29
Speaker 2: In, right Patrick.
54:30
Speaker 1: Let's come back to the UK then, and of course
54:32
Speaker 1: we've all been hearing about the cost of living and
54:34
Speaker 1: the effect that the cost of living is having on people.
54:37
Speaker 1: What's going to change?
54:38
Speaker 3: Well, the question is how is this linked to the war?
54:42
Speaker 3: Won't bring this up on screen here? Just your sugar ration.
54:46
Speaker 3: This is from World War One, I think here, So
54:49
Speaker 3: this is the US government saying limits your consumption to
54:53
Speaker 3: two pounds per month because England, France and Italy needs
54:56
Speaker 3: some sugar too. So basically the war economy we're calling
55:00
Speaker 3: it here. How far away are we from this? Well,
55:03
Speaker 3: let's look at the Guardian here, look at this Andy
55:05
Speaker 3: Burnham is being urged to tackle the cost of living crisis.
55:09
Speaker 3: By urging Trump to end the Iran war. Here and
55:14
Speaker 3: this is a letter that's been drafted to the new
55:16
Speaker 3: Prime Minister here to put pressure on Trump. Unions heads
55:20
Speaker 3: of unions have signed this telling Burnham need to revoke
55:23
Speaker 3: permission for the US to use RIF basis to launch
55:26
Speaker 3: airstrikes on Iran. Here and this is a letter brought
55:30
Speaker 3: forth by this organization. Here the Transition Security Project opposing
55:34
Speaker 3: the US in Israel's war in Iran is a cost
55:38
Speaker 3: of living priority. So they're linking the two. And this
55:41
Speaker 3: is what was happening when we were at the Anti
55:42
Speaker 3: war conference back in June. Here and look at this.
55:46
Speaker 3: They're basically coming out and saying it. Here, average British
55:49
Speaker 3: household bills if rised energy two hundred and twenty pounds
55:53
Speaker 3: and as well as food bills monthly thirty two pounds
55:56
Speaker 3: and no end in sight. It just keeps going up
55:58
Speaker 3: here and then below in this here again linking the
56:02
Speaker 3: use of the UK basis with this war. Here are
56:06
Speaker 3: the union leaders here. One name comes to mind here
56:09
Speaker 3: Eddie Dempsey, General Secretary of the RMT, the National Union
56:13
Speaker 3: of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers. Here we've got a
56:16
Speaker 3: video clip from an interview we did just at that
56:19
Speaker 3: Anti war conference with Eddie Dempsey, who has a lot
56:23
Speaker 3: to say about the British economy and the militarization agenda
56:27
Speaker 3: that's happening right now in Britain and Europe. Listen.
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Speaker 8: It's going to be announced probably at the night of
56:34
Speaker 8: summit later in this year, which is a central investment
56:38
Speaker 8: bank purely for the events, and is remarkable to me
56:41
Speaker 8: because what we badly need is investment in our infrastructure.
56:46
Speaker 8: I mean, here in Britain we've had the lowest investment
56:48
Speaker 8: out of any of the G twenty countries in twenty years.
56:51
Speaker 8: We're more than a trillion pounds behind an investment if
56:53
Speaker 8: we'd have invested relative to what some other countries have done.
56:57
Speaker 8: And that's why we've got a productivity crisis here in Britain.
57:00
Speaker 8: That's why the country doesn't seem to work. We haven't
57:03
Speaker 8: invested in anything to any meaningful sense. But instead we're
57:06
Speaker 8: going to have an investment bank purely, purely for defense.
57:11
Speaker 8: The contribution, the British contribution to that would have been
57:15
Speaker 8: I think it was eight hundred and seventy million. This
57:17
Speaker 8: was one of the steps that John Healey, the former
57:20
Speaker 8: defense minister wanted to take before he resigned. This wires
57:23
Speaker 8: in private defense companies, the central banking and financial architecture,
57:31
Speaker 8: and the civilian infrastructure of Europe into one big military project.
57:38
Speaker 8: That's frightening to somebody who believes in civil libities. They're
57:41
Speaker 8: frightening to somebody who is opposed to war, and somebody
57:45
Speaker 8: who wants to see investment in our housing, in our infrastructure,
57:50
Speaker 8: in our people.
57:53
Speaker 3: So what's happening in the UK this push reflects also
57:57
Speaker 3: something that's happening in America. Here will bring this very
57:59
Speaker 3: quickly up on screen. So the accusations are Donald Trump's
58:03
Speaker 3: tone death, He's not listening to the public on the
58:06
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis. So this is pressure from the
58:08
Speaker 3: right from the Republicans on the president in America here
58:12
Speaker 3: and basically saying, actually, the Democratic Socialists got it right.
58:16
Speaker 3: That's what the party Republicans are saying when they're criticizing
58:19
Speaker 3: Trump not addressing this, not listening to his base. The
58:23
Speaker 3: original magabase here and just finally here, interesting that the
58:28
Speaker 3: communication between the White House and the Republican Party talking
58:32
Speaker 3: points have been cut off. Donald Trump's circle gets getting
58:35
Speaker 3: smaller and smaller. That's the reports we're hearing from inside
58:38
Speaker 3: the White House, so that's an interesting development as well.
58:41
Speaker 3: So again, this doesn't bode well for the midterms for
58:45
Speaker 3: Trump and for the Republican Party and date.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Patrick Basil. Let's finish today then with some
58:53
Speaker 1: more in case you missed it, your muted Basil.
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Speaker 4: Might quick trall gentlemen through stories that haven't been amplified
59:05
Speaker 4: by the corporate media, starting with this one. No surprise
59:09
Speaker 4: to see declassified here reporting UK charities, particularly the Land Foundation,
59:15
Speaker 4: are facing an inquiry over funding of illegal settlements.
59:19
Speaker 2: Charity Commission announced.
59:21
Speaker 4: This inquiry this week and it follows declassified sterling work
59:26
Speaker 4: investigating donations to illegal settlers, who, of course have been
59:30
Speaker 4: conducting programs in the West Bank horrendously violent ones. In fact,
59:34
Speaker 4: I saw one Palestinian farmer's entire livestock were poisoned this week.
59:40
Speaker 4: Also from the Middle East, the Board of Peace of
59:45
Speaker 4: which Trump will of course.
59:46
Speaker 2: Be president for eternity.
59:48
Speaker 4: Well, it's issued its first building contract for a military base. Yes,
59:53
Speaker 4: the Louisiana firm have been awarded the tender to build
59:56
Speaker 4: a rudimentary outpost to ho Moroccan troops.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: Just a coincidence.
1:00:02
Speaker 4: The Moroccan, of course, after the say you to business
1:00:07
Speaker 4: last week, another equally important story, if not more so.
1:00:13
Speaker 4: Hundreds of trucks are carting off the rubble from Gaza,
1:00:17
Speaker 4: rubble which contains human remains, contains the bones of people
1:00:23
Speaker 4: slaughtered during the genocide, and it's all getting carted away,
1:00:28
Speaker 4: one hundred trucks a day leaving Gaza for disposal elsewhere.
1:00:33
Speaker 4: No graves, no burial, no forensic examination of who's been killed, people,
1:00:38
Speaker 4: just people's remains, just carted away like rubbish, I'm afraid
1:00:43
Speaker 4: to say. And up next, well, this is a hilarious story.
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Really.
1:00:50
Speaker 4: Restore Britain commissioned to report into who was actually classed
1:00:57
Speaker 4: as a white Briton and they determined that both your
1:01:01
Speaker 4: parents need to be born in the UK to be
1:01:04
Speaker 4: cassd as a white Britain. And of course the late
1:01:09
Speaker 4: Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip of the House of Oldenburg,
1:01:15
Speaker 4: he was born in Corfu, I believe, so when pressed,
1:01:22
Speaker 4: Rupert Lowe wouldn't tell the inquiring journalist whether or not
1:01:27
Speaker 4: he considered the King of England to be a White Britain.
1:01:31
Speaker 2: That was on the BBC.
1:01:33
Speaker 4: Utterly hilarious, And finally, this week a concert where we've
1:01:37
Speaker 4: all sat through some concerts that we might not enjoy
1:01:40
Speaker 4: very much until the bitter end. Well, this one is
1:01:43
Speaker 4: going on until the twenty six forty. Yes, you read
1:01:47
Speaker 4: that right, another six hundred years for a piece called
1:01:51
Speaker 4: as Slow as Possible by John Cage. The reason it's
1:01:55
Speaker 4: in the news this week is that a new note
1:01:58
Speaker 4: was added to the piece on Wednesday. It's not due
1:02:02
Speaker 4: to have another note until October this year. October the
1:02:07
Speaker 4: fifth and another note will be added and the piece
1:02:10
Speaker 4: is playing continuously at a church in Germany until twenty
1:02:16
Speaker 4: six forty. Speaking of Germany, I'm delighted to say Dirk
1:02:21
Speaker 4: will be able to join us for UK Column News
1:02:25
Speaker 4: Extra after the break and he's got some special thanks.
1:02:28
Speaker 2: For you, Patrick.
1:02:30
Speaker 3: Just a quick question, Basil, what is powering this organ
1:02:33
Speaker 3: that's going to be playing till twenty six forty. Is
1:02:37
Speaker 3: there a free energy device attached to it? Is there
1:02:40
Speaker 3: another conspiracy that we need to know about.
1:02:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to have to discuss that an extra.
1:02:48
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
1:02:49
Speaker 3: Can you find out during the break and let's share.
1:02:51
Speaker 3: I'll share that and during.
1:02:52
Speaker 2: The extra I'll see if I can find out.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: Because everybody's dying to know.
1:02:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant.
1:02:58
Speaker 4: Maybe it's maybe the wind power, you know.
1:03:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a wind bag.
1:03:03
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Look, we're gonna leave it there for today.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: Thank you Patrick, thank you Basil, thank you Derek, and
1:03:09
Speaker 1: we'll be back in a few minutes. If you're a
1:03:10
Speaker 1: UK call members, stick around on the live stream. Otherwise,
1:03:14
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. We'll see at one pm as
1:03:16
Speaker 1: usual on Monday. See then, bye bye.