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- 0:05Michel Aguirre leaves his beloved Guernica on fire in the past. The road narrows
- 0:09towards an uncertain future and disappears by the rear- view mirror of the military
- 0:14truck that takes it to the front of Bilbao, between the vegetation of a
- 0:18cold spring that breaks wild especially to the region outside the war that extends throughout
- 0:23the country, to fight to die for us Cadiz. In the light of
- 0:27the Eclipse, Mercedes vega in word authors with welcome pink. Thank you so
- 0:32much. Nice to be with you, so happy to have read you,
- 0:35to meet you in person. I' ve read a little bit of maybe
- 0:39from the beginning of your book. Only with this entry I don' t
- 0:44know, I know that I' m going to find deep characters, yes,
- 0:51very deep, very marked characters that happen to him many things, because
- 0:57they are characters that live very important events. O s s s s s
- 0:59is stans s ns our Spain. Also, well, the novel covers a
- 1:03time frame of forty years, from the year thirty- seven to seventy-
- 1:07seven seventy- nine, which is where the story of two characters who are
- 1:11going to live all that time ends. It convulses all that difficult time of
- 1:18war, but it is no longer war, because of the war there are
- 1:19two or three chapters. But that war is too much of a claw.
- 1:23Yeah, and that war is gonna mark my two characters forever. It is
- 1:29going to unite them irremediably until the end of their lives and the two are
- 1:34going to transform how it transforms into society, because the novel is a portrait
- 1:38is a portrait of us, of our Spain and of our evolution. And
- 1:44of course, they' re very powerful characters, very strong, brave,
- 1:49they' re almost heroes, but they' re also villains. It depends
- 1:52on the situation they have to live on. I believe that we have never,
- 1:55never prevailed so much a grey and its nuances in this period of time
- 2:00that you mark in the life of Spain. Of course, there' s
- 2:05absolutely no grays. This is a moment of absolute polarization. A war appears
- 2:10this good one is. There is a war because there is a failed coup
- 2:15d'état and then in Spain it is completely divided tragically, and my
- 2:20characters are a six- year- old girl who lives in La Mancha,
- 2:23on a farm. His family is a coup family and the mud is the
- 2:28opposite. He is a boy, a sixteen- year- old teenager who
- 2:31leaves Guernica to go to fight the Iron Belt, to defend Bilbao and defend
- 2:37a Kadi from the national troops that are already in the northern campaign. And,
- 2:42from those historical moments, from what is the northern campaign of the Iron
- 2:46Belt, because it is not an incredible work of military engineering, very interesting
- 2:54that I explain it as it was formed today and realized, the Iron Belt
- 3:00and my Gudari, my boy from Guernica, is there in a nest of
- 3:05machine guns, at the moment when his land and his village is bombarded by
- 3:10the German army and Italian legionaries, and he leaves everything running out, gets
- 3:16to his Guernica, finds it burned and well, then there we say that
- 3:22I start the novel with that bombing and explain it from a military point of
- 3:24view. You start with that bombing and you also talk about the one that
- 3:32happened earlier in Durango and the one in Durango and one wonders. They wonder
- 3:37if that horror can be repeated in leadership. In addition, you tell where
- 3:42the skin stands to the reader and changes the life of Misel aguerre. It
- 3:46' s that scene we' re going to talk about now. You'
- 3:51re precisely provoking. What if it tells you the skin, not precisely because
- 3:53life, the stories make them, the characters, the characters on foot and
- 3:59people who have lived suggested that they are life stories. Exactly, they'
- 4:03re life stories. And well, when your life is tragic, your story
- 4:08is tragic and then, well, it has a force that bursts into it
- 4:13all, as it sweeps away all of Mary' s story as well.
- 4:15So, in Mitchell' s case, this child who' s going to
- 4:19fight, who doesn' t know where he is, who practically doesn'
- 4:24t know how to shoot a rifle, a machine gun, because he'
- 4:27s in the Iron Belt that' s also going to be absolutely destroyed by
- 4:31the national troops, because it' s that inside, that' s to
- 4:39say, the building teachers who made the entire belt and bunkers belonged to the
- 4:42fifth column and then the plans are passed. And it is no longer that
- 4:43the Iron Belt falls because it had a deficit in its construction, that it
- 4:48wanted to be a kind of maginot line, but also that the planes have
- 4:55them the nationals and penetrate the iron belt through the fifth sector and destroy it
- 4:59completely. Then they take you Bilbao in a matter of two days. And,
- 5:02of course, with all that misfortune, Mitchell runs out because he can
- 5:05' t do anything else. Feet so that I love you runs out and
- 5:11there the story, all the things that were avaptated to get to, to
- 5:15get out, to get out, to search for almost all the lower Strip
- 5:20of the Pyrenees, escaping from all the national troops until it reaches Catalonia.
- 5:25And if he lists what he' s going to do, he can'
- 5:28t do anything else. He doesn' t just know how to fight to
- 5:30save life. And well, he enlists what he is in the People'
- 5:33s Army of the Republic as a militiaman and from there he leads him to
- 5:40the battle of the pit And he finds himself and finds himself in the battle
- 5:43of the pit of the front that was in Toledo, in a brigade of
- 5:49a communist who welcomes him as a son. No. And that' s
- 5:53where the novel begins, because one thing is going to happen, that,
- 5:56that is, that brigade one night because it seizes a fine, a farm
- 6:00of landowners whose father is one of the coupsmen, because his brother was trenched
- 6:08in the Alcázar of Toledo. Then, evidently, when the Republican troops arrive
- 6:12in the area, they go after him. And then, on that night,
- 6:16they seize the estate, arrest the father, the mother, the company
- 6:19nun and arrest them. They take them a few kilometers away in a truck,
- 6:27to the municipality of Camuñas, that there is a silver mine at the
- 6:31mine and there they kill them, They kill them and throw them in the
- 6:36well at the moment when there is a moon eclipse, a moon eclipse that
- 6:41is seeing their six- year- old girl, who has stayed on the
- 6:45farm with her sick little brother through the window and let us say that,
- 6:49of course all this under the light of the clear eclipse, here we speak
- 6:54already, we begin to talk about literature, a little symbol, also a
- 7:00po or that magic happens in the tragic moments. There is a clear eclipse,
- 7:04in eclipses they do not give light, they give shade and under that
- 7:09shadow my story is written, under that shadow of that moon that is said
- 7:15to be hiding in a great crime that is unfolding in the minilla. In
- 7:18fact, there are still all the bodies that fell in the mine, that
- 7:23were thrown into the mine, there are people who were murdered all over the
- 7:26area. That one from La Mancha is still over six hundred. It'
- 7:30s possible, possibly there' s more. It' s six hundred,
- 7:33yeah, more or less. So, the two characters with which they are
- 7:35the thread do represent the two Spain let' s say. I completely believe
- 7:44it' s a way to count the civil war. I' ll say
- 7:47as it was. I mean, the victors weren' t the only victims,
- 7:53not the last ones, not the only ones attacked, and the supposed
- 7:58victors weren' t either. I also don' t think it' s
- 8:01a way of telling it very boldly, but very real, of course,
- 8:03because everyone here doesn' t win exactly, that is, it' s
- 8:07the tragedies of life. In fact, this novel is a claim of freedom,
- 8:11against dictatorships, against unique thinking, against violence, against wars, of
- 8:16what that means for the destruction of people, of lives, of families.
- 8:22So this novel symbolizes that, i e, The two are two, The
- 8:28two are opposites, i e, it is a handsome novel, as it
- 8:31is also a story of opposites. They both belong to different worlds, but
- 8:35it is the worlds on which they have had to live exactly. The novels
- 8:39are world creators, that is, I create a world with a novel,
- 8:43because I don' t like the one I have and because I don'
- 8:46t like this world, I make up one, but I make up a
- 8:50world too, which is the world under the light, in the eclipse,
- 8:52which is ours too to make it known. And it' s a novel
- 8:56written, not for anyone who knows everything I talk about the novel, but
- 9:00for all people who don' t know it. And for these young people
- 9:03and now that well, you need to know, you think you need to
- 9:07know, of course, but you think I take advantage of what you just
- 9:13said, they want to know. They' re so curious to call him
- 9:16softly, so look. I think so, because you can' t boast
- 9:20about all the young people, the whole generation of now can' t be
- 9:22encompassed. As in a unique thought. We' d be very wrong.
- 9:28There are many youths, there are many types of people and we have kids
- 9:31and we have people who are twenty years old, fifteen, eighteen, thirty,
- 9:37who know a lot, who read a lot, who are very informed,
- 9:39who like history very much. Then we have others who don' t,
- 9:43who are more on another issue. Not that of networks of a very
- 9:48superficial world, of Joe' s image. We live in a very egol
- 9:52world at right now it' s not me, it' s me and
- 9:58I need social recognition. There is a current like this, not that comes
- 10:01all from social networks, but within that also serve the networks and also serves
- 10:05this movement that there is image, the golatra for knowledge, for history and
- 10:13to know more in all this I have traveled that you said at the beginning
- 10:18of one of your characters, where begins what is defending, how it flees
- 10:22and how far it goes, that we will not tell, how far it
- 10:26goes. In the end, in the end, but there has been loss,
- 10:28the loss of his mother, of his mistress, who said beautiful tall
- 10:33with one blue eye and another brown, the nicest seller on the market is
- 10:37that with these descriptions, who won' t love this woman, how she
- 10:41loses her mother, how she loses her brother and how. This has to
- 10:46generate some like little revenge. No, but look, it' s funny,
- 10:52because I' ve been trying to make two very opposite characters. He
- 10:54could be an avenger, like at the end of it. She is avengers,
- 10:58yes, throughout all her lives, she is marked by the fact of
- 11:01the murder of her parents and clearly wins the war. Then, of course
- 11:05and in addition, she' s stuck in power, because she becomes a
- 11:09relevant woman within the national and intelligent movement, something very intelligent, with a
- 11:15lot of inner pain. Yes, a lot of shadow takes full advantage,
- 11:18a lot of shadow in his heart, a lot of darkness. Then she
- 11:22' s an avenger, but he couldn' t be an avenger. He
- 11:24could' ve said good all my mom, his mother, she' s
- 11:28a widow woman, she' s a woman who has a cowshed and has
- 11:31two cows, which is all her fortune and well, she paints a little
- 11:37there with Mitchel. The rural world, yes, that rural world, charming,
- 11:41affectionate, attached to the earth, to the most primitive values, and
- 11:48that world embodies it in them. No. And Mitchell, instead of being
- 11:52a hurt man, is a lost man who hears what continually. In the
- 11:58novel it is a continuous escape. He is the archetype of the exiled man,
- 12:05of the persecuted man, of the man who has lost everything, of
- 12:09the man who continually escapes from all the evil that is happening to him.
- 12:13But he is an idealist because he seeks freedom. He is also a communist
- 12:20idealist, because, of course, he ends up in the Communist Party by
- 12:26chance not and becomes a convinced communist, because of course he ends up in
- 12:28Moscow and he ends up doing that journalist in Moscow and on radio and at
- 12:33the Institute. Of course, then, the transformation of it is a transformation
- 12:39like the transformation of it. So do I. Yes, they are two
- 12:41characters that are going to be transformed throughout history, during those forty years that
- 12:46unite them and of course, Mitchell Mitchel, of course, he is the
- 12:52archetype of the good man. He' s a good person, he'
- 12:56s not a criminal. She may become a criminal without being a criminal,
- 13:00but neither is she. That is, then Michel represents that good man,
- 13:07that man who tries to escape from everything that happens to him many things and
- 13:11who finds peace, because peace takes him with him, and that is very
- 13:13difficult, because being able to be at peace, although he is already very
- 13:18lost in many moments, is absolutely empty of himself, because he does not
- 13:24recognize life in him, not telling him a kind of that there is nothing
- 13:30inside, that is, the war snatches him up to who he is,
- 13:33he does not get to lose, even his own identity of what is lost
- 13:37that he finds when he is so young in that front that he has to
- 13:41fight, in the end, because it is a very hard front that makes
- 13:45him and in the end it is clear that they have to escape in the
- 13:48rear, that he is all the time behind the back and he without reinventing
- 13:54at the end finds peace when he arrives in Moscow, when he becomes a
- 13:56journalist, when he arrives in Bucar, that is to say, when he,
- 14:05through love for a woman, he ends up finding himself because he has
- 14:09values, he has values for you have unfounded by his family, also by
- 14:11his authentic way of life. And that life form that he had that preserves
- 14:13it forever. And those values are going to mark him, because all his
- 14:18journey and they' re going to give him that peace in the end,
- 14:22when he really knows who michal aguirre is. I' m not saying anything
- 14:26else. Bucar is a Republican pilot' s daughter. You almost named her
- 14:31a moment ago, because she was the first love Ebellia Rosales Covadonga, the
- 14:35first love and the only one, the only one, the only love Mary.
- 14:41You also point out what we were talking about that she, her cabin
- 14:48is different, her transformation is unexpected. I would say above all at the
- 14:54beginning the transformation of Mary. Maria. Yes, yes, although his uncle
- 14:56already saw that he had, that he had to say material, that he
- 15:01was a very intelligent person, that he had a gift to be and to
- 15:05run away from many places. Yes, I don' t say peace,
- 15:11Maria, if you don' t want to say anything else. And to
- 15:11Fernando de Mura, that is good, Mary, Mary, is or Mary
- 15:16is a Say we are the protagonist, because it is the one that we
- 15:20say, because Mary is the one that has the greatest burden of chapters,
- 15:26not because we the story was going to run through Mary, but why,
- 15:28because Mary is the one that pursues, it is action, that is,
- 15:31it is the one that will make the novel run. So, Maria is
- 15:35the protagonist, who' s going to be doing things throughout the novel and
- 15:41she' s going to carry all the weight. Then, Mary, Mary,
- 15:46is released because well, the six- year- old girl when he
- 15:50and the brigade arrive to her farm and kill her parents. And Mitchell'
- 15:56s there because Mitchel doesn' t do anything to the poor thing. Mitchell
- 15:58is simply within the commit of ns seizures, that the Deputy Commissioner Tual seizure
- 16:02committee, and everything on the estate you have to refer to. Well,
- 16:06because that' s what we' re gonna get out of here. Then
- 16:10Michald is just trying to make it clear. But Mitchel mitchebea to Maria.
- 16:18Mitchell see the kid because there' s a baby in that house. There
- 16:21is not a baby who is very sick, Lorenzo, who is Lorenzo,
- 16:25and that Mary is protecting her brother. But that kid, that kid is
- 16:29on the night of that eclipse. That boy dies, but he dies of
- 16:32illness because he' s already very sick. But Mary does not want to
- 16:34recognize her brother' s death. And then, at a certain point the
- 16:37Commissioner tells him to aguirre, come aguirre, take care of the clear boy
- 16:42finds himself with a terrible panorama, that is, with a girl who is
- 16:45the age of her brother, of Mitchell' s brother, who dies in
- 16:49the bombing of Gernikan In addition, she dies in a very tragic way,
- 16:56crushed inside a shelter, of the shelter of Santa Maria, that is,
- 16:57this whole story I will tell in the novel. Not then, Mitchel encounters
- 17:00a terrifying pananaba and has to tear the dead child out of Mary' s
- 17:04arms. And Maria will never forget that, she will never forget who is
- 17:07michela querre. It is very hard that scene, that scene is terribly hard,
- 17:11because it is narrated not only in an emotional way, but also in
- 17:17a very real way. Not clear how the situation is, no yes,
- 17:19and that story Mary on the mark in such a way that good stays with
- 17:25him. Maria is sent to dwell in the village, given a taonero to
- 17:30take care of her, because the military are going to do on an seized
- 17:33estate which will serve as a fort with a six- year- old girl.
- 17:40Then they take her to a tabonero she lives with, with the tabonero
- 17:42until the end of the war, which her uncle wins, who is an
- 17:45army general. Of course, then, from there on, she already has
- 17:52the power to win the war, and she begins that transformation in her to
- 17:57make amends and to take revenge on all these people who must be healed of
- 18:00my guard over the estate that has killed her parents, that does not take
- 18:03care of her brother, because this story is a story that could well have
- 18:07been true. Of course, these stories add up to a lot of stories.
- 18:08Of course, this story is the story of many, even if in
- 18:14this story it is a fictional one, but it is a story absolutely that
- 18:19can happen and that, in fact, has happened this way or another.
- 18:22Then, Mary, from that moment on, becomes a woman, becomes a
- 18:26mature woman, thus matures and is a woman who dedicates her life to seeking
- 18:30dissidents and to seeking revolutionaries and to seeking people who seek freedom, because to
- 18:36Mary there is nothing more repugnant than freedom, that freedom that I take everything
- 18:41away from her. No. So, Mary starts in good. Maria works
- 18:49for the National Movement for the General Secretariat of Movements and becomes a Falangist.
- 18:55There is a cousin in history, who is the Commissioner of the Social Political
- 19:00Brigade. And there we make a leap to the next stage of the novel,
- 19:06which would demand the toughest Francoism until the fifty- sixth year, which
- 19:11is the Francoism that exerts repression through the political police, because the exercise of
- 19:15violence has it at war, the army, the legal exercise of violence and
- 19:22in times of peace it has it to the police. And then, this
- 19:26police force, because it is what is obviously dedicated to looking for communists,
- 19:30to looking for anarchists, to looking for people who are fighting against Frank and
- 19:33who are in the burbs. And so, Mary has a very important role
- 19:38also as a searcher and they even carry out raids on houses, flats of
- 19:45people who are trying to reorganize the parties in hiding. And the novel is
- 19:52about this, about underground and a lot. We' re not going to
- 19:56tell any more, we' re not going to be scolded. Yeah,
- 20:00dedicate that book to your mother, which I can' t read. Yeah,
- 20:03but it' s probably lived a lot of stories of this kind.
- 20:07I don' t know if this story, but yes, in that time,
- 20:11in that space. Yes, the truth is that my family is a
- 20:14family too mom, which I think you have to notice, that it is
- 20:15a family very marked by the civil war, because I think it is unpretentious.
- 20:21I think that all the people that have the family there is a record
- 20:26that you keep. No, of course, there' s a record that
- 20:27' s there. Not saying my dad was my father. He was an
- 20:30orphan of war. My father' s father and my grandfather Domingo lose his
- 20:36life in weeds, say God, not at last anymore. My mom has
- 20:41her stories, too. My husband has his stories. My husband' s
- 20:45family has also been important because we said that, just as my family was
- 20:48a left- wing family, my husband' s family is a right-
- 20:52wing family and, in fact, my husband and my husband' s family
- 20:56have people on the minilla, that is, ancestors. Yeah, I'
- 21:00ve been told a lot of things about what happened in La Mancha. And,
- 21:04well, I don' t know among all the things that you go
- 21:07all the sums of life, not when you penetrate, when you' re
- 21:11going to write a story and go down to the bottom, which is where
- 21:18the true stories come from. Deep down you know the warehouse down, the
- 21:22warehouse down. There he turns off the light and begins to pull out and
- 21:27write authentically. Yeah, what I always try with all my novels. And
- 21:30from there it came out under the light of the eclipse. Well, in
- 21:33the light of the eclipse, a pleasure, just as I like to do.
- 21:37Thank you very much.