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SMNTY Classics: Everything Everywhere All At Once · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan.
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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeartRadio. And today we're
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Speaker 1: bringing back a classic. We don't normally bring back a
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Speaker 1: classic this young, as they say, because this was about
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Speaker 1: a year ago. We released this It's a feminist movie
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Speaker 1: Friday on Everything, Everywhere, All at Once, which you probably
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Speaker 1: heard was the big winner at the ninety fifth Oscars
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Speaker 1: this year, which Samantha and I did not watch. We
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Speaker 1: were previously occupied. And that's also why Classic was coming
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Speaker 1: out today, because we have been releasing more new content
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Speaker 1: because of our last US mini series than we normally do,
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Speaker 1: so we thought we would give us a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a break, but also talk about the Oscars very
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Speaker 1: very briefly because it was some history made that night.
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Speaker 1: So this movie won Best Film, Editing, Best Original Screenplay,
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Speaker 1: Best Film, Best Motion Picture, Best Actor, and then we
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Speaker 1: had Best Supporting Actress Jamie Lee. Curtis Quan won Best
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Speaker 1: Supporting Actor, and it's really sweet because he had kind
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Speaker 1: of a reuniting with Harrison Ford's for all these years.
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Speaker 1: And then Michelle Yo made history as the first Asian
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Speaker 1: woman to win Best Actress, and I did want to
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Speaker 1: highlight something she said in her speech because she kind
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Speaker 1: of addressed agism and in sexism in Hollywood and said, ladies,
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Speaker 1: don't let anybody tell you you were ever pass your prime.
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Speaker 1: Never give up. And this has gotten better, but not
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Speaker 1: by much. So she the average age of a woman
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Speaker 1: winning in that category is thirty nine, which has got
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Speaker 1: actually gotten a lot better than it used to be.
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Speaker 1: Sadly enough, the average age of a male Academy Award
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Speaker 1: winner and the other corresponding categories forty seven, right, and
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Speaker 1: she is about to turn sixty one, So it is
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Speaker 1: a big deal that she won this in several ways,
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Speaker 1: And there were a lot of pretty great, pretty great
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Speaker 1: speeches from that night. And I love that because it
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Speaker 1: was given by Halle Berry, who was the only other
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Speaker 1: woman of color to win that category. So it was
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Speaker 1: a beautiful exchange as well as the fact of the
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Speaker 1: presenter for kwon was Arian Dubois. She was so like
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Speaker 1: emotional presenting it to him because she knew that how
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Speaker 1: big of a deal it was for him and those
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Speaker 1: around him. It was. It was glorious seeing them getting
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Speaker 1: all these awards and accolades. So beautiful it was, it was,
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Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful movie, so we hope you enjoy
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Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie Aunt Samantha. I
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Speaker 1: don't come to Stephane never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: So it is time for this month's edition of Feminist
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Speaker 1: Movie Friday. It is going to be slightly different. First
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Speaker 1: of all, it comes with a spoiler alert because we're
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about the very recent twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: two movie Everything Everywhere, All at Once, which just came
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Speaker 1: out on streaming. Though I believe you had to buy it,
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Speaker 1: which I did, but I could be wrong, but I
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Speaker 1: did buy it. It's twenty dollars. I'm like what I'm like,
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Speaker 1: if I love a movie enough, I'm like, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: take it. And as I told Samantha, this movie is
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Speaker 1: sort of hard to spoil. It's hard to explain. However,
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Speaker 1: I did do it, so I guess if you really
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Speaker 1: don't want to be spoiled, it will spoil you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: since we're talking in detail. Yeah, yes, but it's still
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Speaker 1: worth watching all yes. Um, and if you haven't watched it,
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Speaker 1: you should go watched it immediately, unless there's a reason
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Speaker 1: you can't go to the theater or rent it, which
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Speaker 1: I know that exists. And I get that so absolutely.
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Speaker 1: But if you're not limited and our privileged enough to
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Speaker 1: go to or see it, you need to right now
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Speaker 1: stop stop this right now, plastic. You go watch it
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Speaker 1: and can then come back. Please come back, don't don't
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Speaker 1: abandon us. Come back. Yes, And we were fortunately enough
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Speaker 1: to Seaton theaters. I actually saw theaters. It was because
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Speaker 1: she went without me. I feel betrayed. I did, but
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Speaker 1: I admitted it to you. And I have some friends
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Speaker 1: who I would have tried to lie to you too
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Speaker 1: about it, and I have done that. I hope they're
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Speaker 1: not listening, but now start to be suspicious? Was that me?
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Speaker 1: I for Luke? I will tell you and you won't
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Speaker 1: be surprised. You will not be surprised. But I hope
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Speaker 1: that they. I think that you do, because I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure I've told you, but I admitted it, so that's
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Speaker 1: a show of trust. But we did go see it
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Speaker 1: in theaters. There was a bit of a snaff who
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Speaker 1: with the seating situation. Oh man, I got real boomerish
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Speaker 1: on this one. Sorry Boomers. And I say this as
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Speaker 1: I'm a stickler for rules, so maybe I'm just a
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Speaker 1: libra to the core in this realm. I was fairly stubborn,
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Speaker 1: and I really wanted to fight some teenagers because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: you're in my seat and that we had to move
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Speaker 1: because we were displaced. Yes, because we were in the
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Speaker 1: wrong seat. I was very upset, Yes, But other than that,
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Speaker 1: it was a pretty excellent theater experience in terms of, like,
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Speaker 1: this is a great movie to see in theaters I did.
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Speaker 1: There was a trailer for it for another a twenty
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Speaker 1: four movie, Men, which I have now seen to have
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Speaker 1: you oh I have, Yes, I have, and the teenagers
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Speaker 1: as you call them, behind us teenagers they were to
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Speaker 1: save the world. I remember after that trailer was over
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Speaker 1: they said, it's not a movie just about our men suck. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My favorite part was I think it's like one girl
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Speaker 1: to three guys, and they were just all obviously very
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Speaker 1: good friends, and they were all like, yeah, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: want an agreement together. It was I was like, you
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Speaker 1: know what, maybe they're not awful. Yeah yeah, but we'll see.
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Speaker 1: So I know we're not talking about that movie, but
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Speaker 1: I've heard not great reviews and that it was obviously
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Speaker 1: written by a man and directed by a man. Is
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Speaker 1: it as it seems or would you recommend seeing that one?
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Speaker 1: I think it has things that are worth talking about,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's a body horror movie, so if you're
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Speaker 1: into that, then if you're in luck, Yeah, I definitely.
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of thoughts afterwards, and I had
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Speaker 1: me and my friend who saw it, who was also
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Speaker 1: a woman. We disgusted at length. I think it tried
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Speaker 1: to do a lot of things and something succeeded and
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Speaker 1: some things didn't. But there were certainly parts where we
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Speaker 1: were nodding at each other like, yeah, we've met this
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Speaker 1: like really religious man who actually just wants to have
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Speaker 1: sex with you. Yeah, I got it. Because it's as
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Speaker 1: one male actor playing like everywhere all the characters, right,
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Speaker 1: so there's interesting stuff going on. I think the ending
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Speaker 1: was a little messy, but you know, a twenty four
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Speaker 1: has gotten the reputation for being exactly that. Yeah and
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Speaker 1: MESSI okay, what's going on? Well, this is a twenty
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Speaker 1: four movie exactly, yes, And I was watching it. So
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Speaker 1: I watched it two days ago, which was the first
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Speaker 1: day it came out and streaming for this and I
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Speaker 1: did have like further follow up questions, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: are those people actually did today? I can't help But
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Speaker 1: when I think of multiverse. I really struggle with this
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Speaker 1: as well, when all of the because like I know,
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Speaker 1: this is the comic world old and I usually dismiss things,
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Speaker 1: but then it just gets into like further perpetuating questioning
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Speaker 1: of what about this and this and this? And then
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Speaker 1: she was this and but she was all of them?
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Speaker 1: But what? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think the first
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Speaker 1: time I thought, I was just like whoa, and then
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Speaker 1: the second time I was like wow, and then this
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Speaker 1: time I was like this is still cool. But wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, are they which? Are they all dead? Is
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Speaker 1: no one gonna come investigate or kill things? Painful? But
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Speaker 1: I think I've got it figured out. Smith, I think
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Speaker 1: I've got it. Figure it out. Okay, Yeah, but before
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Speaker 1: we get into it, just what was your experience? How
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Speaker 1: did you feel about it? Well? You know, I love
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Speaker 1: Michelle Yo, like I think I've talked about it repeatedly
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Speaker 1: about her as well as Migna, being two of the
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Speaker 1: first Chinese women actors that really hit me because they
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Speaker 1: looked like me. Now, we are of two different ethnicities.
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Speaker 1: I am Koreana, they are Chinese, but so, but they
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Speaker 1: looked like me and being beautiful women who were in
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Speaker 1: characters that weren't caricatures of Chinese women. Was really nice
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Speaker 1: to see. Of course, yes, sexualization happens often in all
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Speaker 1: of those things, but I mean Michelle Yo talks about
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Speaker 1: being able to stand up with Jackie Chan and really
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Speaker 1: holding on and being as strong and as independent as
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Speaker 1: well as fears and finding all of those things, like
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Speaker 1: you see all of that and are able to really
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Speaker 1: connect and for me to connect with that in a
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Speaker 1: different level of seeing people who can make it in
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Speaker 1: the industry. There was something to the fact that Michelle
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Speaker 1: Yo was able to cross over Mingna as well into
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Speaker 1: both Chinese an Asian film as well as American films.
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Speaker 1: So so much to that that I love them, and
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Speaker 1: they've of course become iconic, and they have been iconic
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Speaker 1: for a while, especially in the Asian community. So I am.
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Speaker 1: I was beyond excited to see this movie, really excited
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Speaker 1: to see it in a way that portrays the family,
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Speaker 1: a family, a community coming together. Of course, there's been
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Speaker 1: movies recently that's celebrating that finally, and I love that.
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Speaker 1: I love that's been able to cross over. Parasite was
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Speaker 1: that same level. Of course, that's a whole different conversation
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Speaker 1: in itself. There are so many things that I wanted
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Speaker 1: to be able to celebrate, but this had the female,
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Speaker 1: the woman character being the lead, which is even better.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we talked about the whole mother daughter relationships,
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Speaker 1: which is a whole thing in itself, any relationships, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I like when it's portrayed realistically,
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Speaker 1: so it's not happy, go lucky and not necessarily everything's solved,
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Speaker 1: but it's kind of that. It's a romance movie in
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Speaker 1: it as well, So really excited. I wanted to know
10:46
Speaker 1: very little about it except I needed to know, like
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Speaker 1: who all died, and I'm like, I need to know
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Speaker 1: if someone's gonna die, I'm gonna be upset. But I
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Speaker 1: was told that the status scene would be the wrong
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Speaker 1: sine and it really wasn't bad. Of course, all the
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Speaker 1: reviews where everybody came out bawling, and because I don't
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Speaker 1: have the same familial clinic connections, I think people came
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Speaker 1: in with this. I didn't. It didn't bother me as
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Speaker 1: much as it didn't emotionally wreck me as much. But
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Speaker 1: I really loved every aspect of this movie except for
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Speaker 1: the hot dog fingers. Could have done without that one.
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Speaker 1: But you know it made it funny, but yeah, so
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Speaker 1: everything about this movie made me very excited, very happy
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Speaker 1: coming into it knowing it was celebrated, not celebrated enough. Apparently.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was because it's in our world, in
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Speaker 1: my sphere. It's so excited getting so many reviews. But
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Speaker 1: outside of that, apparently not a lot of people know.
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Speaker 1: I know at one point they were joking about Morbia's
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Speaker 1: but yeah, exactly, it's a reaction from most people in
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Speaker 1: my community, getting like higher rating, not ratings, higher viewings.
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Speaker 1: I think. I'm not really sure, but it was it masically.
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Speaker 1: That makes me sad. That's interesting because more we has
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Speaker 1: just came out for a second time because I think
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Speaker 1: add maybe I'm marketing people misunderstood sarcastic tweets and we're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: people really are into it, will we release it in
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Speaker 1: It got eighty five thousand dollars in one weekend, So
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Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe maybe that's a joke and I believed it,
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Speaker 1: but like, yeah, have you both talked about that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a critical success and a financial success,
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Speaker 1: and we're not going to go There was so much
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Speaker 1: coverage on this movie and so many interviews with the
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Speaker 1: actors that are amazing and you should read them, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of it was about being an Asian actor,
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Speaker 1: being an older Asian actor and being able to find
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Speaker 1: work and not only that but finding like good roles.
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Speaker 1: So definitely go look that out. There's so much out
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Speaker 1: there about this movie right now, I think we should
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Speaker 1: endeavor on trying to explain survey all right, Okay, here
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Speaker 1: we go, So everything, everywhere, all at once is a
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two American film that is sort of genre defying.
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Speaker 1: It's got sci fi action, kung fu nihilism at one
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Speaker 1: part animation, absurdism, comedy. But I would say under all
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Speaker 1: of that is a stylistic, domestic family drama about learning
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Speaker 1: to understand your place in the universe, with some amazing costuming.
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Speaker 1: There's also some really great interviews with the costumer, so
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Speaker 1: check those out to you. It has nods to pop
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Speaker 1: through movies like Ratatui, Michelle Yoe's filmography, and some definite
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Speaker 1: pokes at Marvel. It was written and directed by the Daniels,
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Speaker 1: Dan Quan and Daniel Shiner, who played the BDS him guy.
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Speaker 1: If you've seen it, that was him, That was Him,
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Speaker 1: Produced by the Russo brothers, the Daniels, Jonathan Wong, Michelle Yo,
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Speaker 1: and Mike Larrocca, and I did want to add in
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Speaker 1: here because I thought it was really interesting. Right now,
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Speaker 1: the multiverse is really popular, and apparently the Daniels started
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Speaker 1: working on this in twenty ten, and then Spider Verse
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Speaker 1: came out twenty eighteen somewhere around there, and they were
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Speaker 1: like duh no, and then like Rick and Morty season
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Speaker 1: two as a whole multiverse thing, and then like Spider
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Speaker 1: Man and the Doctor Strange and they're like, nah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but this is a very unique take on it. So
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Speaker 1: I think they were good. They were good. It stars
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Speaker 1: Michelle Yo as Chinese American immigrant Evelyn Wong in a
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Speaker 1: role originally written for Jackie Chan, Stephanie Sue as her
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Speaker 1: daughter Joy Wang Kei Huai Kwan as her husband Waymond
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Speaker 1: Wong who's from the Goonies in Indiana. Jones and I
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Speaker 1: have such a crush on him when I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: and he killed it. Oh he oh, amazing. James Hong
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Speaker 1: as Evelyn's father, Gong Gong, Jamie Lee Curtis as deer Dre,
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Speaker 1: the I R S agent auditing them, Tally Madel as
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Speaker 1: Joy's girlfriend Becky, with some smaller roles from the like
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Speaker 1: of Ginny Slate and Harry Sham Junior. It was critically
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Speaker 1: acclaimed and a huge financial success, and is now Film
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Speaker 1: Studio A twenty four's top grossing domestic film ever. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: pretty good, all right. So the plot. It's separated into
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Speaker 1: three parts to match the title. It follows Yoe's character
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Speaker 1: Evelyn Wong, who owns a struggling laundromat with her husband.
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Speaker 1: When the film opens, it is clear that Evelyn is
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Speaker 1: under a lot of stress. Her demanding father is visiting,
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Speaker 1: her husband Wayman wants to talk to her, and the
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Speaker 1: laundromat is being audited, so she's trying to gather up
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Speaker 1: all of their receipts to take to the r S office.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I have been audited out. It sucks.
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Speaker 1: It's so and I don't even have like a business
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Speaker 1: like I can't even imagine that part of it. During
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Speaker 1: all of this, Evelyn is dealing with demanding customers at
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Speaker 1: the laundromat and her daughter Joy, who is trying to
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Speaker 1: convince her mom to accept her girlfriend, Becky and they
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Speaker 1: Becky and Joy have been dating for three years. Evelyn,
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Speaker 1: who is preparing for a party that night, tells Joy
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Speaker 1: that telling Gong Gong that she is gay will kill him.
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Speaker 1: Evelyn is frustrated with her husband, who she views as Week,
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Speaker 1: someone who's always making things worse. She's frustrated with Joy,
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Speaker 1: who can't just help out and not cause problems, like
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Speaker 1: just do as Evone says. When Joy tries to introduce
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Speaker 1: Becky to Gongong, Evelyn steps in because Joy struggles with Chinese,
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Speaker 1: and both Cantonese and Mandarin are spoken in this film,
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Speaker 1: and they are really great essays on like why each
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Speaker 1: one is spoken and when and what it means, so
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Speaker 1: that's really cool too, and Evelyn calls Becky her friend
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Speaker 1: instead of girlfriend. Hurt, Joy storms away with Becky near tears.
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Speaker 1: Evelyn tries to stop her, but instead hurts her even
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Speaker 1: more about telling her that she is getting fat. Um.
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Speaker 1: Joy drives away upset. Right, can we talk about the
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Speaker 1: fact that, Yeah, James Hong is also an iconic actor
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Speaker 1: that's been around um and has been a legend and
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Speaker 1: finally got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame
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Speaker 1: just recently, which is absurd. He's done a ton of staff.
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Speaker 1: I think it's so many hundreds of credits to his name,
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Speaker 1: so including just recently turning Red. Oh yeah, huh yeah,
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Speaker 1: but like that's just one of the many. He's probably
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Speaker 1: one of the iconic voices within Disney Animation. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: he's always been there. He's always been there, y'all. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: so back to this, Evelyn, Wyman and Gong Gong make
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Speaker 1: their way to the I r S Office when Wayman
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Speaker 1: seems to be taken over by an alternate personality. Can
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Speaker 1: we talk about the fanny pack, y'all? Alpha women on
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Speaker 1: the elevator right up, giving her odd instructions and the
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Speaker 1: sort of earpiece situation that he just sticks it in
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Speaker 1: her ear just like what's happening? Um, And as the
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Speaker 1: elevator opens, Alpha Wayman is gone, and by the way,
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Speaker 1: the umbrella too, because he building off everything's in that
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Speaker 1: fanny pack is useful. Like we can't deny this, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, fighting, hiding, doing things anyway. And then Wayman
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Speaker 1: that we know is back, and though he remembers nothing
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Speaker 1: of what just happened, goes into the conversation. Here they
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Speaker 1: sit down with IRS Agent Mestidira, growing annoyed and board
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Speaker 1: with the IRS proceedings. And by the way, did you
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Speaker 1: see the interview that Jamie Lee Curtis did about her
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Speaker 1: personality and how they decided on what she looked like.
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Speaker 1: They actually took a real IRS officer, whoever this person was,
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Speaker 1: and took their image to be this person. And Jamie
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Speaker 1: Less was like, this is the most comfortable I've ever
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Speaker 1: been because everything about it is natural. She's like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to tighten up anything, I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: do anything else but just be this person. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, look at you, Jae Lee Curtis. She
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Speaker 1: was like, and I loved it. She did a great job. Clastic,
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Speaker 1: so good. But as this proceeds on, she talks to
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Speaker 1: Evelyn about the deductions, which is several items related to
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Speaker 1: her hobbies, like singing as a business deduction that they
19:35
Speaker 1: of karaoke machine was added to that, and Didra is
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Speaker 1: not impressed. But during this time, Evelyn is hearing these
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Speaker 1: things coming through the airpiece and she follows Alpha Amen's
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Speaker 1: written instructions and her mind seems to split. One version
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Speaker 1: of herself as listening to Didra. The other version of
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Speaker 1: her is in the janitor's closet with Alpha Weymen. He
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Speaker 1: tells her that he is from something called the Alpha verse,
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Speaker 1: or one of thousands of universe in the multiverse, which
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Speaker 1: alpha verse means the beginning, So feel like anyway whatever,
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Speaker 1: and he believes she's the key to defeating the universe
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Speaker 1: destroyer Joebu Tupaki, and to do this she needs to
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Speaker 1: use a technology created by Alpha Evelyn called verse jumping. Basically,
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Speaker 1: you have to do something strange and yes, often very gross, ye,
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Speaker 1: seemingly painful, but okay, to open a pathway to another
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Speaker 1: you that made a different choice. The stranger the thing,
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Speaker 1: the greater the probability of the jump will work, and
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Speaker 1: you will be able to access the skills of that
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Speaker 1: universe's version of you. Yeah, still with us, got it?
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Speaker 1: I will say the second time, I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm spending less time like what so I
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Speaker 1: recommended least viewings. All right? So Evelyn now back at
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Speaker 1: the I R S meeting after a version of Dear
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Speaker 1: Dress snaps Alpha Wayman's neck. But it's fine though, because
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Speaker 1: this was like an in between, not real thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: realizes that her Waymond is trying to divorce her, punches
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Speaker 1: Dear Dre and attempts to verse jump all very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Waymond gives up on her, which, by the way, this
21:22
Speaker 1: is after he's told her he's seen a thousand Evelyn's
21:25
Speaker 1: murdered by Joe Budtupaki, but Evelyn figures out this verse
21:29
Speaker 1: jumping thing accessing a universe where she left Waymond stayed
21:33
Speaker 1: home and became a martial arts expert and movie star
21:36
Speaker 1: aka Michelle yo Ntially, all the throwbacks was amazing the throwbacks.
21:41
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good, like old footage promotional
21:44
Speaker 1: footage of her. Yeah, so Evelyn uses her new skills
21:50
Speaker 1: to beat professional wrestler Datre, saying this is so fun,
21:55
Speaker 1: but it's all true. Alpha Wayman decides because of all
22:00
Speaker 1: of her untapped potential, she is the best chance of
22:04
Speaker 1: beating Joebutubaki. He says it in a much meaner way,
22:06
Speaker 1: even though he means it very nicely. Um and Joe
22:09
Speaker 1: bu Tobaki is revealed to be Alpha Joy, created by
22:13
Speaker 1: Alpha Evelyn after she pushed Alpha Joy too hard. Joe
22:17
Speaker 1: Bu Tupaki has unlimited godlike power to manipulate matter and
22:21
Speaker 1: to verse jump experiences all universes at once, and has
22:25
Speaker 1: created a everything Bagel black hole like thing to destroy
22:30
Speaker 1: the multiverse, and she has been searching for the right Evelyn. Right. Uh?
22:36
Speaker 1: And can we talk about there have been so many
22:38
Speaker 1: conversations and I guess memes about the everything Bagels do
22:43
Speaker 1: it a lot. It's become it's become a like somebody
22:46
Speaker 1: who I was guessing on somebody's podcasts other day, you know,
22:52
Speaker 1: just you know how, And they I don't even know
22:55
Speaker 1: they'd seen it, but they used everything bagel is sort
22:58
Speaker 1: of like a term to disc gcribe something, and I
23:01
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it's really caught on. It. Well, apparently
23:06
Speaker 1: the Daniels used it as a joke to describe it,
23:09
Speaker 1: and then it just caught on and so they're like, yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: let's just decree it. I mean, it makes sense now
23:14
Speaker 1: it does, right. So Alfha gone gong in a superpowered wheelchair,
23:20
Speaker 1: and obviously the commander of all the things appears after
23:23
Speaker 1: Joebu to Puck kills some police, some cops in truly
23:26
Speaker 1: creative ways. A lot of color in there, a lot
23:29
Speaker 1: of confetti, yep, so much Elvis outfits, you know, all
23:33
Speaker 1: the dils so dildos yep, there's a lot of dildos
23:39
Speaker 1: there are. And and in the minute I saw this Award.
23:44
Speaker 1: I was like, that looks like a butt plug and
23:46
Speaker 1: Andy burst out laughing because I had no context yet. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,
23:51
Speaker 1: So he tries to convince Evelyn to kill Joy to
23:54
Speaker 1: weaken Joe Bu to Puck, but Evelyn refuses, deciding that
23:59
Speaker 1: in order to defeat Joe Budapaki, she has to become
24:01
Speaker 1: more powerful than she So she verse jumps, fighting millions
24:05
Speaker 1: of both Joe Bu Dapaki and Alpha Gongong into a
24:09
Speaker 1: verse where she is a sign flipper, a singer, a
24:13
Speaker 1: chef where she works with raccacooney and can we just
24:16
Speaker 1: talk about, Oh my god, Harry shum Junor. And I
24:20
Speaker 1: was so excited that he was on here because he
24:23
Speaker 1: probably was one of my favorite characters. Why am I
24:25
Speaker 1: talking about Glee so much? But he was one of
24:27
Speaker 1: my favorite characters in Glee because I was like, look
24:31
Speaker 1: at this, They're representing an Asian person as something beyond
24:35
Speaker 1: just being again a caricature. I mean, he wasn't the
24:39
Speaker 1: only one. There were two Asian characters, and I loved it.
24:41
Speaker 1: That was wonderful, But he was such a fantastic character
24:44
Speaker 1: to see him thrive on because I was really scared
24:47
Speaker 1: that most of times you don't see marginalized people moving on,
24:51
Speaker 1: and to see him in this movie was really nice.
24:53
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to RACCACOONI, it is a raccoon that
24:58
Speaker 1: controls a chef. Sounds familiar. Yes, it may have been
25:02
Speaker 1: a play on words because they she couldn't figure out
25:05
Speaker 1: rather twoey hilarious and to see a puppetry type of
25:09
Speaker 1: thing like, yeah, the idea of having it is alive. Yeah. Also,
25:14
Speaker 1: Racocoony was voiced by Randy Newman. Moving on and one
25:22
Speaker 1: where everyone has hot dog her fingers y'all, if you
25:27
Speaker 1: haven't seen this, it's unimaginable and I wish I hadn't
25:31
Speaker 1: seen that part. And she is in a relationship with Tidra.
25:36
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Okay, So through this, everyone learns that the
25:41
Speaker 1: Everything Bagel was not created to destroy the multiverse, but
25:44
Speaker 1: so Joe Byutipaki could destroy herself. So Joe Byepaki believes
25:49
Speaker 1: that because of all the chaos and randomness of the universe,
25:52
Speaker 1: nothing matters, and she's tired of experiencing it all, and
25:56
Speaker 1: that if nothing matters, then it doesn't matter that she
25:59
Speaker 1: never became anything, and she's been looking for an Evelyn
26:02
Speaker 1: that would understand that Evelyn sees flashes of other universes
26:08
Speaker 1: where she turned in Racacooni to the authorities, where she
26:14
Speaker 1: is on the verge of losing, the laundromat where she
26:17
Speaker 1: tries to convince Wayman to be with her and he
26:19
Speaker 1: rejects her. That's the Michelle Yo movie Star universe. And
26:25
Speaker 1: one where she stabs her universe is Waymond, almost persuaded
26:29
Speaker 1: by Joe Boutapaki to follow her and to the Everything
26:32
Speaker 1: Bagel and Yeah. She approaches the Everything Bagel with Joe Buotepaki,
26:36
Speaker 1: but is stopped by Wayman's calls her peace for kindness
26:39
Speaker 1: like basically like stop, what are we doing? Evelyn decides
26:43
Speaker 1: to fight like Waymond, as she says, and finds the
26:47
Speaker 1: thing that all of her opponents need or desire and
26:50
Speaker 1: gives it to them from BDSM two promises of love
26:54
Speaker 1: to pain relief, stuff she has gleaned from her multiverse knowledge.
27:00
Speaker 1: She helps save Kakooney. There's a universe where both she
27:04
Speaker 1: and Joe Buchepaki are yes, both rocks and they bond. Apparently,
27:10
Speaker 1: according to Joe Buchepaki, most universes are like this, as
27:13
Speaker 1: in no life Ever happened because the conditions weren't correct
27:18
Speaker 1: in an alternate universe. She confronts Gong Gong and tells
27:21
Speaker 1: her why she loves her daughter, how she won't do
27:24
Speaker 1: the same thing to her daughter that he did to her,
27:28
Speaker 1: and introduces Becky as Joy's girlfriend. Joy storms off, upsets
27:34
Speaker 1: deer Dress, shows up with the police. Evelyn signs of
27:37
Speaker 1: the divorce papers and breaks the window open the laundromat
27:40
Speaker 1: and it's put in handcuffs. However, Wayman tells Deirdre about
27:44
Speaker 1: the divorce and she orders the police to let Evelyn go.
27:48
Speaker 1: Deirdre gives them a week to redo their taxes, and
27:51
Speaker 1: Deirdre and Evelyn bond Dear Drew revealing how she reacted
27:55
Speaker 1: to her own divorce, and that's one of my very
27:56
Speaker 1: favorite scenes in the whole movie. Yeah, yeah, if you're confused,
28:00
Speaker 1: like she Dear Edred had given them until six pm
28:02
Speaker 1: that night to turn in their taxis and they never did,
28:06
Speaker 1: and then she calls angryness like to not even show up,
28:09
Speaker 1: and then Evelyn said something very rude to her, and
28:12
Speaker 1: then she showed up with Dear Dred showed up with
28:14
Speaker 1: the police, and it escalated very quickly. Yes. Yeah. So
28:19
Speaker 1: Evelyn goes after Joy and tells her that despite everything,
28:23
Speaker 1: she would always choose to be here with her, no
28:26
Speaker 1: matter all the other universes, and that she would cherish
28:29
Speaker 1: every spec of time and meaning they found together, and yeah,
28:33
Speaker 1: I do really love that. But also there's a moment
28:35
Speaker 1: where she's just watching Wayman and seeing what he does
28:39
Speaker 1: and watching everything he does and realizing that it is
28:42
Speaker 1: not bad. Yeah, it's very sweet. Yeah. And then we
28:46
Speaker 1: also see Grandpa having a moment of confusion and acceptance.
28:51
Speaker 1: That was interesting, but that was also one again, like
28:53
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, one of the pushes is that
28:55
Speaker 1: he had pretty much disowned her ye because she refused
28:58
Speaker 1: to follow his advice and his the parents advice, and
29:04
Speaker 1: so he pretty much cut her off until he got
29:05
Speaker 1: sick and had to move in with her and all that.
29:08
Speaker 1: They hug and next we see them. The family seems
29:11
Speaker 1: to be healing as they return to the I R.
29:13
Speaker 1: S Office, driven by Becky, who Evelyn informs needs to
29:17
Speaker 1: grow out her hair because it's too short. Obviously. Um.
29:20
Speaker 1: Evelyn kisses Wayman during their meeting with dear Dress. She
29:23
Speaker 1: is distracted for a moment about all the union verses
29:25
Speaker 1: but pulls back focusing on the moment end. Yes, yes,
29:31
Speaker 1: and there was a fake out ending. Yeah, there was
29:34
Speaker 1: a couple of fake out endings, like she died and
29:35
Speaker 1: that was the end of it, and then she wakes
29:37
Speaker 1: up in the movie theater. Yeah. Yeah, so that was
29:40
Speaker 1: the actual end um. And yes, it is very visually arresting,
29:46
Speaker 1: very like there are a lot of dildos, but costuming
29:50
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's being creative, like it's a it's an
29:56
Speaker 1: experience for the senses. Definitely. Yeah, lots of play on
30:01
Speaker 1: things I do. Once again, like I feel like Wayman's
30:05
Speaker 1: character was specific to bring the child light portion into it,
30:09
Speaker 1: whether it's the googly eyes again, whether it's the Fannie pack,
30:11
Speaker 1: any of those things. Obviously he's the one that's asking
30:13
Speaker 1: for a divorce, but he's that kind of the one
30:16
Speaker 1: that pulls her back to the reality and she pulls
30:20
Speaker 1: Joy with her. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's sort of
30:22
Speaker 1: how they got the end. When Joy Joe would thak
30:26
Speaker 1: he was like trying to get into the everything bagel,
30:29
Speaker 1: Evelyn was holding her back, Wayman was holding Evelyn back,
30:34
Speaker 1: and then Gong Gong was holding Wayman back. So it
30:36
Speaker 1: took all of them to bring her back. It's pretty good.
30:40
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. So some themes, again, like, there's so
30:57
Speaker 1: much written about this movie, so we're just gonna touch
31:00
Speaker 1: some stuff. But there's so much out there and if
31:02
Speaker 1: you want to read it, I recommend it a lot
31:04
Speaker 1: of it's very heartwarming. Yeah, So a big one is yes,
31:08
Speaker 1: the mother daughter relationship, which is fascinating because we have
31:12
Speaker 1: been talking about this whole lot lately. Right, And I
31:14
Speaker 1: even saw an article before we decided to do this movie,
31:19
Speaker 1: so I haven't I wasn't able to find it again,
31:21
Speaker 1: but I saw an article that was like the newest
31:25
Speaker 1: trend in Hollywood, parents apologizing to their children, especially in
31:34
Speaker 1: the context of multigenerational immigrant families in Western countries. So
31:38
Speaker 1: we talked about that with Turning Red. We talked about
31:41
Speaker 1: a little bit when we did our touch on Conto,
31:45
Speaker 1: but it has definitely been a thing lately for sure,
31:51
Speaker 1: Right And I wonder, like, of obviously the people who
31:54
Speaker 1: came out going, I was sobbing. No one warn me.
31:57
Speaker 1: Why didn't you tell me that I would be ugly
31:58
Speaker 1: crying because I didn't want to be in public crying
32:03
Speaker 1: like this. But I wonder if things like this, for
32:06
Speaker 1: movies like this as well as Turning Red, as well
32:08
Speaker 1: as in Encanto. It's really therapeutic for the families to
32:14
Speaker 1: see it because maybe they have not gotten it and
32:17
Speaker 1: wish for it. And that's what part that the writers
32:20
Speaker 1: are pouring into, because they themselves are experiencing and wishing
32:23
Speaker 1: for that, and they know how universal it is. And
32:26
Speaker 1: though we're looking at a world of so many things,
32:30
Speaker 1: what we see is an attack on female relationships a
32:35
Speaker 1: lot of times anyway, when we see this whole undermining
32:38
Speaker 1: of women altogether and those who identify as women in general,
32:42
Speaker 1: like it is an obvious thing. Maybe this is such
32:45
Speaker 1: an open spot that this is how people are ringing
32:47
Speaker 1: it out therapeutically by the relationships that they have. And
32:51
Speaker 1: I hope it's true. I hope this is exactly what
32:52
Speaker 1: it is, especially right now in the queer community. It's
32:55
Speaker 1: like a double whammy of trying to find acceptance in
32:58
Speaker 1: the world, hoping to find set us with those who
33:01
Speaker 1: love them the most, those who've raised them whatever it
33:04
Speaker 1: may be, whether they are trans or coming out or
33:06
Speaker 1: any of those things. That this is such a raw
33:11
Speaker 1: moment in time that it has become bigger and bigger
33:14
Speaker 1: and bigger, and since the first I don't know who
33:17
Speaker 1: would be our first as of recent that has decided
33:20
Speaker 1: to jump into the mother daughter relationship, I don't know,
33:24
Speaker 1: but since that has been realized, oh oh this is needed,
33:28
Speaker 1: This is the therapy people are needing. Yeah, well, I
33:32
Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts about that number one. As
33:34
Speaker 1: you know, I am working on an episode for my
33:36
Speaker 1: birthday that is no surprise about Star Wars. But I
33:38
Speaker 1: have a whole theory about what you're talking about about,
33:41
Speaker 1: like people trying to like writing this thing and basically
33:46
Speaker 1: trying to provide themselves therapy. But that doesn't mean it's
33:49
Speaker 1: like not useful because people a lot of people experience
33:51
Speaker 1: those things and that's how we connect through these stories.
33:55
Speaker 1: And then I forgot to mention like Benda's like Beckham
33:59
Speaker 1: also had something like this going on. Yeah, so it's
34:01
Speaker 1: been around. It's not like it's new. I just think
34:03
Speaker 1: it's right now super popular. But also last night I
34:06
Speaker 1: watched Miss Marvel, which is one of my very favorite comics,
34:09
Speaker 1: and it had a similar thing. I was like, what's
34:12
Speaker 1: happening here? It is it's such anerational thing, like the
34:17
Speaker 1: not that Father's sons are not important, but we've kind
34:19
Speaker 1: of gone passed to what is happening now with the
34:24
Speaker 1: ladies at the women who are struggling. We're being attacked
34:27
Speaker 1: from all ages. What's the what's the way maybe we
34:30
Speaker 1: feel a little more safe if we had that bond
34:32
Speaker 1: here we go? Right yeah, yeah, oh gosh, I think
34:38
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this in an upcoming book club.
34:40
Speaker 1: But also just sort of the way we as women
34:45
Speaker 1: can hurt other women, right yeah, which is something I
34:47
Speaker 1: do want to talk about in a second. But also
34:50
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting because I didn't really put
34:52
Speaker 1: this together, but one of the articles I was reading
34:54
Speaker 1: pointed out that in all of the other universes we
34:58
Speaker 1: see other than the awful one, Evelyn doesn't have joy.
35:04
Speaker 1: It's only in those two that you see it. And
35:07
Speaker 1: so it's sort of like the mirror of you pushed
35:09
Speaker 1: her too hard, you pushed her towards this, and then
35:14
Speaker 1: this sort of I don't want to say normal. The
35:16
Speaker 1: onely the Evelyn we are going through the story with
35:21
Speaker 1: her universe, she has that moment of like pulling her
35:24
Speaker 1: back and stopping pushing. So I thought that was really interesting.
35:29
Speaker 1: There was that whole thing of like Joy tells Becky.
35:32
Speaker 1: Evelyn has this thing of like, if she criticizes you,
35:35
Speaker 1: it's how she shows she cares. Right, So when she
35:39
Speaker 1: says Joy is getting fat, it's a way of showing
35:42
Speaker 1: she cares. At the end, when she says, Becky, you
35:45
Speaker 1: need to cut your hair short, is supposed to be
35:48
Speaker 1: a way of showing she cares. But that's also like,
35:50
Speaker 1: I feel like that's come up a lot. And these
35:52
Speaker 1: stories too have sort of the critical maternal figure, whether
35:56
Speaker 1: it's the grandmother or the mother, but or both um
36:00
Speaker 1: sort of the criticism that is often a push to
36:04
Speaker 1: do better, to be that everything Bagel, to go out
36:07
Speaker 1: and be more than I I was right. Yeah, I
36:11
Speaker 1: mean there's definitely that conversation of yeah, I don't want
36:14
Speaker 1: this life for you, my life for you. I want
36:16
Speaker 1: you to have your life, which again is a bigger
36:20
Speaker 1: conversation about it. And I mean we've seen it culturally,
36:24
Speaker 1: we've seen it being talked about, especially in Asian cultures,
36:28
Speaker 1: that being a thing, you know, to the point that
36:31
Speaker 1: became a stereotype obviously, but I think it is interesting. Yeah,
36:35
Speaker 1: that the whole criticism. I always say, from my perspective,
36:39
Speaker 1: if I'm not making fun of you. That means I
36:40
Speaker 1: don't love you, which it's like, oh, that's probably not
36:44
Speaker 1: a good thing. But at the same time, like I
36:47
Speaker 1: show loved by hmm, being a jack sometimes sometimes I
36:52
Speaker 1: think for you though, I mean a lot of friends
36:53
Speaker 1: do that where you feel comfortable enough like teasing them right.
36:58
Speaker 1: Family can be so tricky and so confrind so, but
37:00
Speaker 1: I feel like in friendships a lot of times, as
37:02
Speaker 1: long as it's within good nature and not that sort
37:06
Speaker 1: of toxic, backhanded friendship stuff, then yeah, it's funny. It's
37:11
Speaker 1: fun too. I did hear they were going to remove
37:13
Speaker 1: calling Jenny Slate's character big Nose from the digital version
37:16
Speaker 1: because of negative Jewish stereotypes, but it was still in
37:18
Speaker 1: it when I watched it, so I don't know. Really, yeah,
37:21
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. That one made me go, uh
37:25
Speaker 1: so this was I don't understand who wrote this and
37:27
Speaker 1: thought it was okay. I haven't seen any complaints about it,
37:30
Speaker 1: necessarily by individuals, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I
37:37
Speaker 1: also when I was watching, I was like, woof, But
37:39
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that until I was researching it. So
37:42
Speaker 1: we'll see, Pep'll see how that goes to a lesser extent.
37:45
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge part of the movie. It's
37:47
Speaker 1: just not the main focus is Evelyn's relationship with her father,
37:52
Speaker 1: and as we've kind of been talking about about how
37:55
Speaker 1: her father disowned Evelyn because she wanted to be with
37:59
Speaker 1: Wayman and how that impacts Evelyn and how she treats
38:04
Speaker 1: Joy and how she wants Tory to act around Gongong
38:08
Speaker 1: sort of this whole cyclical mess. The language barrier between
38:14
Speaker 1: Joy and Gongong is a pretty big factor throughout this Also,
38:20
Speaker 1: every time I watch it, the line I'm sorry, it's
38:22
Speaker 1: a girl when Evelyn is born catches my attention. Oh yeah, yeah,
38:28
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean you see throughout the movie
38:31
Speaker 1: you see kind of flashbacks of Evelyn being young and
38:34
Speaker 1: Joy being young, and they're very similar in a lot
38:36
Speaker 1: of ways. But definitely Gongong pushed Evelyn really really hard
38:42
Speaker 1: and critiqued her very very hard, and she rebelled just
38:45
Speaker 1: like Joy. And at the end Evelyn tells Gongog like
38:48
Speaker 1: she's just like her mother. Also, yeah, like we said,
38:52
Speaker 1: the kind of putting all of your hopes and dreams
38:54
Speaker 1: into a child and everything Bagel like putting everything on there,
38:57
Speaker 1: and it sort of collapses in on itself. And so
39:00
Speaker 1: when this is going to sound was strange if you
39:03
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. But when Joyce shows evil in the
39:05
Speaker 1: everything she does sort of like this church church people
39:10
Speaker 1: like the fingered church thing. Yeah, that finger trick that
39:13
Speaker 1: young kids would do. Be like, look, this is like
39:14
Speaker 1: a vagina. Uh. And so that's why when I was
39:17
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, it does kind of look
39:20
Speaker 1: like that. And then I was like, this is like
39:22
Speaker 1: birthing of universes? And am I reading too deep on it?
39:25
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything about it, but I feel like
39:28
Speaker 1: they knew what they were doing. Sounds about right, yeah,
39:33
Speaker 1: And then I couldn't really find I saw this article
39:37
Speaker 1: and I read it. I skimmed through it probably a
39:40
Speaker 1: month or so ago, and it was about the drudgery
39:41
Speaker 1: of motherhood and how this movie does a really good
39:43
Speaker 1: job of kind of capturing the days where you're you
39:49
Speaker 1: are thinking like I wish I was in another universe
39:51
Speaker 1: where I just wasn't my life, But it also does
39:55
Speaker 1: capture really well the like importance of the days where
39:57
Speaker 1: you don't wish that. And there's a great interview I
40:01
Speaker 1: think with MPR MICHELLEO did where she's like the superpower
40:05
Speaker 1: of her is she's a mom and she's running this
40:08
Speaker 1: business and she's in this relishion like all the stuff
40:10
Speaker 1: she's doing. So I thought that was interesting. I think
40:12
Speaker 1: basically what people were saying is it was a really,
40:15
Speaker 1: like you said, realistic portrayal of sort of all the
40:20
Speaker 1: stuff a lot of us have to do. And I'm
40:22
Speaker 1: not even a mom, but like just that everyday stuff
40:26
Speaker 1: and adding the mom and the business and all that
40:29
Speaker 1: stuff to it. Yeah. Right, But yes, as this comes out,
40:34
Speaker 1: it is Pride month, and so we did want to
40:36
Speaker 1: talk about queer relationships, and you know, the big one
40:39
Speaker 1: is between Joy and Becky, who again have been dating
40:41
Speaker 1: for three years and they're very very sweet together, and
40:46
Speaker 1: we get to see Becky being very supportive of Joy.
40:49
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Joy is very supportive Becky, but that's sort
40:51
Speaker 1: of not what we're getting to see in this family
40:53
Speaker 1: drama part that we're sing Yeah, and they're you know,
40:58
Speaker 1: Joy's trying to like, you know, we've been dating long enough, Ken,
41:02
Speaker 1: I bring Becky to this party as my girlfriend, not
41:04
Speaker 1: my friend. Is at the heart of a lot of
41:07
Speaker 1: the drama that we see in this particular universe. Yeah,
41:16
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of all of the universes here,
41:19
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, right, it's obviously a big part of
41:23
Speaker 1: the acceptance that she feels like she's not enough for
41:26
Speaker 1: her mother already and then not accepting her a big
41:30
Speaker 1: part of her life or relationship with the love of
41:32
Speaker 1: her life. So yeah, it was definitely a big key
41:35
Speaker 1: point kind of the push as of like, if you
41:37
Speaker 1: don't accept me, this might be over. It felt like
41:40
Speaker 1: a finalized this or that type of moment, including with
41:44
Speaker 1: a bagel, Like I think it's like, that's a bigger picture,
41:47
Speaker 1: and then the smaller picture was this relationship in my
41:50
Speaker 1: acceptance and your acceptance of my family, and part of
41:52
Speaker 1: that acceptance is acknowledging this. It's it is, it's a
41:56
Speaker 1: relationship and it's for real. Yeah. Yeah, And I love
41:59
Speaker 1: the bit at the end where she she Evilyn looks
42:05
Speaker 1: at Wayman is like the universe was kind enough to
42:07
Speaker 1: grant us someone who was patient and loving, and that's
42:10
Speaker 1: I thought that was very sweet. That part does make
42:13
Speaker 1: me kind of nervous though, just because like coming out
42:15
Speaker 1: to family, because Joy keeps trying to get away and
42:17
Speaker 1: she's like, no, we're finally gonna tell Gongog, which I
42:19
Speaker 1: totally get because in the beginning, Joy was like, we
42:22
Speaker 1: have to tell Gongong. But I was just like, oh,
42:25
Speaker 1: this is tense right moment. I don't know what the
42:31
Speaker 1: best way to good to do it would have. I mean,
42:33
Speaker 1: if Joy would have done it, or if it was
42:35
Speaker 1: too late, I'm not sure because it felt like Evelyn
42:38
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm putting the I'm standing up for you.
42:41
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna tell my father what's what?
42:44
Speaker 1: And Joy was like, oh gosh, please don't do this right,
42:47
Speaker 1: not at my expense. And also there is this line
42:52
Speaker 1: when Evelyn realizes that Joe Butapaki is Joy. She views
42:57
Speaker 1: it as like Joy's being possessed and she says to
43:01
Speaker 1: job Chiaki like, is that why she thinks she's gay?
43:06
Speaker 1: So that was she had a long way to go
43:08
Speaker 1: and understanding her daughter and her depression and her queerness
43:12
Speaker 1: and all of that, which I think is a lot
43:15
Speaker 1: a lot of people do think that way, whether it's
43:19
Speaker 1: depression or queener or what. But like, that's something almost
43:22
Speaker 1: possessing you, Like, that's not my joy, right, but it is.
43:26
Speaker 1: And also I just had to mention I do really
43:27
Speaker 1: love the Hot Dog Universe relationship between her and Dear Jo.
43:31
Speaker 1: I think it's super sweet. I love that. In the beginning,
43:35
Speaker 1: her weird, her strange things she had to do, was
43:38
Speaker 1: like tell Dietrich she loved her and mean it. She's like, never,
43:41
Speaker 1: there's nothing to love in the At the end, Dear
43:43
Speaker 1: just says, well, that's just how it is. Stone cold
43:46
Speaker 1: bitches make the world go around. We're unlovable and everyone's like,
43:50
Speaker 1: there's always something to love, and then they smoke we together.
43:55
Speaker 1: I love that part. It's so cute. Yeah, the relationship
43:59
Speaker 1: they had was nice. The hot Dog fingers was disturbing
44:03
Speaker 1: because they eat each other's fingers, Like that's the moment
44:06
Speaker 1: comes out, ketchup comes out. M There's something so disturbing
44:11
Speaker 1: about that. The relationship was beautiful and sweet, and it's
44:16
Speaker 1: sad when Dada leeveser, but then comes back and that
44:19
Speaker 1: comes happy. But yeah, the sexy moments were of them
44:22
Speaker 1: eating each other's fingers. Yeah, and I uh, I'm not
44:27
Speaker 1: gonna lie made me uncomfortable. More uncomfortable than the butt
44:32
Speaker 1: plugs scene. Yeah, yeah, interesting, which is nothing wrong with
44:36
Speaker 1: butt plugs, but it was quite I'm I'm more like
44:39
Speaker 1: that would hurt so bad because it was like a
44:41
Speaker 1: running can painful. Also, they did it with their pants on,
44:45
Speaker 1: and I can't imagine exactly that is comfortable. Oh no, no, no, no,
44:53
Speaker 1: because I had to go through jeans and underwear. Anybody
44:57
Speaker 1: who's listening to this as it sh Yeah, yeah, that
45:04
Speaker 1: gets me every time because it's a running jump cannonball situation. Yeah.
45:09
Speaker 1: There's also as we've been talking about, and we talked
45:11
Speaker 1: about this even with Bridget in our Sex in the
45:13
Speaker 1: City episode, which I love. This whole theme of like
45:18
Speaker 1: depression and the meaning of life. It keeps coming up.
45:21
Speaker 1: Jobu Jipaki keeps saying nothing means anything, nothing matters, but
45:25
Speaker 1: Evelyn arrives. It's sort of the opposite conclusion that everything matters,
45:30
Speaker 1: like even the tiny because Joe Jipaki keeps saying, we
45:34
Speaker 1: get maybe for lucky specs to have any meaning, and
45:38
Speaker 1: Evelyn arrives at the meaning that like, then I will
45:40
Speaker 1: treasure every of those specs and it all matters instead
45:43
Speaker 1: of nothing matters, which is very sweet. It's interesting because
45:48
Speaker 1: I kind of have a similar viewpoint where I'm like, yeah,
45:51
Speaker 1: nothing matters, but it does matter. At the same time,
45:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense, but no, it does. Yeah,
45:58
Speaker 1: that's the expidential crisis to it all, which this movie
46:01
Speaker 1: is very much bad. I didn't mention that it is
46:06
Speaker 1: right right. And then through out there is this kind
46:10
Speaker 1: of running three point of everyone missing the point. She
46:12
Speaker 1: keeps almost getting where her daughter is coming from, but
46:16
Speaker 1: missing it. Like there's a scene where she's like, I
46:18
Speaker 1: know you have these feelings inside. I know you feel
46:22
Speaker 1: like you'll never do that whatever, I will be Joe
46:24
Speaker 1: bu Chapaki like. But at the end she does get it.
46:28
Speaker 1: She arrives at it, and it's they've just been looking
46:31
Speaker 1: for connection and understanding. Yeah. Right, she arrives at it
46:35
Speaker 1: because she arrives at her own feelings instead of projecting.
46:38
Speaker 1: And that's the big key. I actually, here's a quote
46:40
Speaker 1: from Noel Webster at the Tricycle. They say, everything everywhere,
46:45
Speaker 1: all at once. Is not a movie about how to
46:47
Speaker 1: save the world. It's about understanding how to be a
46:51
Speaker 1: part of it. Amidst the mayhem, the film seems grounded
46:54
Speaker 1: in its core message about the importance of human connection
46:57
Speaker 1: and cultivating compassion for all beings throughout our confusing in
47:02
Speaker 1: permanent lives. Evelyn doesn't arrive at these truths immediately. It
47:06
Speaker 1: takes a few action packed trips across the multiverse first,
47:11
Speaker 1: But as she learns to cherish even the most mundane
47:14
Speaker 1: moments of time with her family, so does the audience. Yeah,
47:19
Speaker 1: that's sort of what you were talking about when she's
47:20
Speaker 1: like remembering all these things wayman does, right, Yeah, I
47:25
Speaker 1: should have judged that. That's yeah, I mean, it definitely
47:29
Speaker 1: is one of those moments of going through all the
47:32
Speaker 1: versions of him and her trying to pick out which
47:35
Speaker 1: one she would have rather been with than not been
47:36
Speaker 1: with U. It's interesting to see and then her pushing
47:40
Speaker 1: back like nothing matters, because she comes to that point
47:43
Speaker 1: she's like, it doesn't matter, this doesn't matter, nothing matters.
47:45
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything ends badly, And he's the one
47:49
Speaker 1: that's like, no, but that's not true. Even if it
47:51
Speaker 1: wasn't great, I would still want to not do great
47:53
Speaker 1: things with you. Yeah, laundry and taxes. We're gonna talk
47:58
Speaker 1: more about that in a minute. There's also this whole
48:14
Speaker 1: thing of Michelle Yo being an untraditional superhero because she's
48:18
Speaker 1: an older Asian woman who's quite unconventional in her skills.
48:21
Speaker 1: Superhero origin story in this movie, and she's kind of everything.
48:25
Speaker 1: She's strong and weak, focused and lost all at once. Yeah,
48:30
Speaker 1: and she gets to really shine, she gets to as
48:33
Speaker 1: an actor, she gets to really showcase her skills. It's awesome.
48:38
Speaker 1: She doesn't win all the awards. I might be upset.
48:41
Speaker 1: I know it's pretty early this season to say this,
48:43
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And then there
48:48
Speaker 1: is the whole theme of Asian American identity cultural divide.
48:51
Speaker 1: Because Evelyn immigrated to the US as an adult, Joy
48:55
Speaker 1: was born in the US, and we see this divide
48:57
Speaker 1: in small and large moments throughout, perhaps most clearly in language. Yeah.
49:01
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because it's very representative of
49:04
Speaker 1: the first generation family as well. You'll see the new
49:07
Speaker 1: children who come here are acclimated. They often can't speak.
49:11
Speaker 1: And then we talked about this in Crying and h
49:13
Speaker 1: Mart can't speak their parents' native language and they can understand,
49:18
Speaker 1: which I ran into and I didn't realize was a thing.
49:21
Speaker 1: In my mind. It was only adoptees who have not
49:23
Speaker 1: been around it. And watching these generational kids of immigrants
49:30
Speaker 1: or refugees and sitting there saying, yeah, I'm taking they
49:35
Speaker 1: were taking Korean with me because they couldn't speak Korean,
49:37
Speaker 1: they could understand it, and I found that fascinating too.
49:40
Speaker 1: It I was like, really, because they were trying so
49:42
Speaker 1: hard to assimilate into the country and not wanting to
49:45
Speaker 1: be a foreigner slash an outsider. But it is. It's
49:51
Speaker 1: very representative of that in a hole. Yeah. Yeah, And
49:56
Speaker 1: there again are many great articles about that specific aspect
49:59
Speaker 1: of this movie as well. Here is one quote from
50:01
Speaker 1: Very Well Mind. Navigating between two cultures while never feeling
50:06
Speaker 1: completely at home and either is referred to as a
50:09
Speaker 1: culturation stress, and it can lead to a number of
50:11
Speaker 1: negative consequences. Leaning Lamb, PhD. Lecture and counseling psychology at
50:15
Speaker 1: Santa Clara University notes that a culturation stress results in
50:19
Speaker 1: a pervasive sense of not being understood, feeling invalidated, feeling invisible,
50:23
Speaker 1: of feeling like you have to constantly hide a part
50:25
Speaker 1: of yourself. This can result in an unstable sense of identity,
50:29
Speaker 1: as well as feelings of guilt and shame, which in
50:32
Speaker 1: turn can lead to mental health challenges including depression, anxiety,
50:35
Speaker 1: and suicidality. In Everything, Everywhere, the multiple identities assumed by
50:39
Speaker 1: Jobu Tapaki throughout the movie, including a salsa dancer, a
50:43
Speaker 1: tennis pro, and a multiversal goddess, could be seen as
50:46
Speaker 1: a metaphor for the way Joy has learned to move
50:48
Speaker 1: between cultures, even as her anger and sadness indicates that
50:51
Speaker 1: she isn't happy in any of them. So this was
50:55
Speaker 1: a whole article about the like it was about the right.
51:01
Speaker 1: That's amazing. But I think, you know, that has a
51:04
Speaker 1: lot to be said about the way that we don't
51:08
Speaker 1: get enough representation and when we get it, we see it.
51:11
Speaker 1: And this is one of those moments. And I say
51:12
Speaker 1: we as in an Asian person living in the US.
51:15
Speaker 1: I am technically Asian American. I guess in a way
51:19
Speaker 1: I wasn't born in the US or whatever. But all
51:23
Speaker 1: of that to say is there's so much too that
51:25
Speaker 1: whatever if you look different in general from the quote
51:30
Speaker 1: unquote norm of what that culture seems to be representing whatnot,
51:34
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said in the underlying basis
51:36
Speaker 1: of trying to assimilate under the pressures of once against
51:40
Speaker 1: societal norms. And yeah, I think this is even better
51:43
Speaker 1: when talking about a family of refugees coming through and
51:48
Speaker 1: trying to hold onto their identity at the same time
51:50
Speaker 1: find their own identity, and yeah, this movie was for
51:53
Speaker 1: her trying to seek all of that, but trying to
51:56
Speaker 1: please her family as well, but just wanting to give
51:59
Speaker 1: up not caring. But it's hard not to care, and
52:02
Speaker 1: it makes you feel guilty so many things, everything everywhere.
52:09
Speaker 1: There is plenty of Thuy racism throughout the movie against
52:13
Speaker 1: Evelyn and her family, and also very clear signs that
52:17
Speaker 1: Evelyn doesn't feel like she's been totally accepted into the community.
52:22
Speaker 1: Also interesting with Waymond being both the sweet, goofy fanny
52:26
Speaker 1: pack wearing kind of emasculated husband and the alpha versus
52:29
Speaker 1: jumping version and the actor again very great interview I
52:32
Speaker 1: read with him saying like it was such like he
52:35
Speaker 1: never thought as a fifty year old I believe somewhere
52:37
Speaker 1: near fifty he would get to be because he's like
52:41
Speaker 1: the suave business person in one he's the action star
52:45
Speaker 1: and one he's the like husband and one which I love.
52:51
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, his characters were so good, so diverse,
52:54
Speaker 1: and when he did pop up as like in the Tuxedo,
52:56
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wait, hello, Yes, and he he
53:00
Speaker 1: did like he studied from what I read, he studied
53:03
Speaker 1: different animals, and he's like, I wanted it to be
53:06
Speaker 1: clear which Waymand we were dealing with based on the
53:09
Speaker 1: way he moved and talked, and I was like, yeah,
53:13
Speaker 1: you did it, did it? Did so good? He did
53:16
Speaker 1: so good, so good. And speaking of this leads us
53:19
Speaker 1: to our kind of fine old thing that I had
53:21
Speaker 1: to include and you'll see what so I know, oh gosh.
53:25
Speaker 1: So there is throughout like kindness and the importance of
53:29
Speaker 1: kindness and Waymand kind of being the one who is
53:33
Speaker 1: like all about that. And at first it's something Evelyn
53:37
Speaker 1: sees is either our weakness or like he's just making
53:41
Speaker 1: things more difficult for her, like he's not. She doesn't
53:45
Speaker 1: understand why he brings missddre cookies, she doesn't understand why
53:48
Speaker 1: he like puts the clothe the drag cleaning where they're
53:51
Speaker 1: happy ERPs, like she doesn't understand all of these things.
53:55
Speaker 1: She just sees them as sort of an annoyance and
53:58
Speaker 1: told the end she appreciates it. And so yeah, there's
54:01
Speaker 1: the whole theme between them of love and divorce. And
54:07
Speaker 1: she has this line that's pretty painful, or she says
54:11
Speaker 1: to Alpha Woyman, like I can't wait to show him
54:13
Speaker 1: how good my life is without him, the idea of
54:17
Speaker 1: the one because they like every universe, even if they're
54:20
Speaker 1: not together, they're sort of like in each other's orbits.
54:24
Speaker 1: And then I would say, like the grass is always
54:26
Speaker 1: greener on the other side, all the could have beens
54:30
Speaker 1: that always look better when you're not actually living that life.
54:34
Speaker 1: And I think it's also for evidence sort of really
54:36
Speaker 1: to low self esteem or looking down on yourself based
54:40
Speaker 1: on the choices you've made and what you have or
54:42
Speaker 1: have not become, and therefore the other people in your
54:46
Speaker 1: life get pulled into that as well, Right, I mean,
54:51
Speaker 1: there's definitely that common Like at the beginning when the
54:54
Speaker 1: alpha woyman comes in, he says you're the most unskilled essentially,
55:00
Speaker 1: that was like, yeah, how dared it is true? But
55:04
Speaker 1: she she she believed it because yeah, she looked at
55:07
Speaker 1: these different stances of like oh, I could have been
55:09
Speaker 1: a chef, which she wasn't really a chef because yeah,
55:16
Speaker 1: but like she was one of many, and she wasn't
55:18
Speaker 1: as good as Raccocoon. Raccoon that really struggled with this
55:22
Speaker 1: sport was at that point. But like even the Hollywood
55:25
Speaker 1: version of like she was alone in that level, like
55:29
Speaker 1: and she wondered when she was what she was missing
55:31
Speaker 1: out on that level. But there's so many things to
55:35
Speaker 1: that that I found interesting, and she definitely does really
55:39
Speaker 1: well portraying because like I don't know, did they age
55:43
Speaker 1: her in that film, because I'm like this, wow, Like
55:46
Speaker 1: she looked beaten down, and I know makeup was amazing
55:50
Speaker 1: and all day, but like even for her, she's not
55:52
Speaker 1: one of those people I could ever see beaten down
55:54
Speaker 1: in any at least way whatsoever. But like, yeah, that
55:57
Speaker 1: was her character, was that she was already beaten down.
56:00
Speaker 1: This one universal was just completely against hers. Yeah. Oh,
56:06
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, she was definitely tired. Sheed, and I
56:11
Speaker 1: tried to put together maybe this is for a revisit
56:15
Speaker 1: in the future, but I tried to put together like
56:17
Speaker 1: because it's everything everywhere, all at once, but it also
56:19
Speaker 1: seems to be saying to me, you can't be you
56:20
Speaker 1: can't have it all. Yeah, but the end is also
56:26
Speaker 1: you know, being presence in a world full of distractions,
56:29
Speaker 1: when she's hearing all these other universes, all these other
56:31
Speaker 1: things she could have done or could be doing, choosing
56:34
Speaker 1: to be present in that moment. But now I have
56:38
Speaker 1: to talk about the sinnamon roll because this is an
56:41
Speaker 1: example of it. Waymand is an example of it, and
56:45
Speaker 1: like at the end when he's giving his speech, I'm like,
56:47
Speaker 1: this is it. Essentially, this is like a thesis statement almost.
56:52
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite fan fiction descriptions of it
56:55
Speaker 1: is the strength of choosing to be kind in a
56:57
Speaker 1: cruel universe, and Wayman is like, this is how I
57:00
Speaker 1: fight with kindness. Like it's strategic, it's a purposeful choice
57:03
Speaker 1: of survival, and I just love it. He's so sweet,
57:08
Speaker 1: he's so adorable because he's just like always trying to
57:13
Speaker 1: make people happy and kind of doing these goofy things.
57:16
Speaker 1: He's always trying to make evil and happy. It's very
57:21
Speaker 1: when they have the flashbacks of their relationship, which again,
57:23
Speaker 1: of course he's asking for a divorce. It hasn't always
57:27
Speaker 1: been good. But those other part to me that I
57:30
Speaker 1: don't quite understand is why does it ever explain that?
57:34
Speaker 1: I think from the things I read he because in
57:39
Speaker 1: the beginning he's like, please, can we talk? Can we talk?
57:41
Speaker 1: Can we talk? And she keeps me right. I think
57:43
Speaker 1: it was sort of a last ditch I need to
57:46
Speaker 1: talk to you, But yeah, that's maybe I'll rewatch it again.
57:52
Speaker 1: And have a different take for you. And also, yeah,
57:56
Speaker 1: this importance of seeking connection through other people, well, and
58:00
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what Joebu Tobaki wanted. Um, that's why she
58:04
Speaker 1: kept looking for Evelyn, and that's how Evelyn saved the day.
58:08
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, brought her back from the everything bagel hole.
58:15
Speaker 1: You're right, true story, It is absolutely true. Oh my gosh.
58:19
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58:21
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58:25
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58:32
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58:36
Speaker 1: what just happened here. I would too, and then go
58:38
Speaker 1: watch it because it's great. Yeah, yeah, yes, well that's
58:42
Speaker 1: what we have to say for now. I bet well,
58:44
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