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Episode 309: Vegas (SG-A 5.19) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode three hundred and nine, talking Stargate Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: Mitch and Maddie here to do it all over again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm certain.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's excited to be here, not necessarily, but I just
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  Speaker 1: know that I can't play the actual song Bigger Spotify,
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  Speaker 1: We'll send us a naughty naughty list. Hey where it's
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  Speaker 1: nearly Christmas time.
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  Speaker 2: We can't afford that, So it'd be appropriate if this
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  Speaker 2: episode good on.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, You've been talking this upper Storm, haven't I?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Supper Brainstorm, Yeah, well done, two weeks early
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  Speaker 3: for that.
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  Speaker 1: Detective John Shepherd attempts to solve a string of unusual
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  Speaker 1: murders in Las Vegas, now even knowing whoops written directed
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  Speaker 1: by Cooper, I should say even I was even knowing
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  Speaker 1: the context around it. That's a weird synopsis to read.
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  Speaker 1: But if you had no idea and that, you'd be like, what,
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  Speaker 1: they're in a different galaxy and he's operating as a
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  Speaker 1: detect what the is going on? And that was what
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  Speaker 1: you had said to me leading into this podcast, all
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  Speaker 1: this episode, going dude, you're not ready. You might love it,
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  Speaker 1: And you'd ask me the other week you said, do
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  Speaker 1: you love it? Just like off the back of nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You said, do you like procedurals? Like, yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: some like Rushka.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how that how that translates into the
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  Speaker 3: type of show she does, whether it's just from RuSHA
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  Speaker 3: harg No.
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  Speaker 1: I do love me some law and Order s for you.
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  Speaker 1: I like all the law and orders. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I could take or leave a a C side at
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  Speaker 1: mind and n C I s at the moment obviously
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  Speaker 1: think was on it a couple of weeks ago. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind my swats. A big fan of SWAT,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, procedural is it? I guess, so, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be a proceed.
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  Speaker 3: The closest one I got it to was Bones. I
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  Speaker 3: did like that, but only the first like three seasons,
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  Speaker 3: and they got rid of my favorite character.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, really's like like a side
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  Speaker 1: character sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: No one of the main characters, really, little the Little
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever watch it?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, not really.
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  Speaker 3: It was like it was like Bones is like offside
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  Speaker 3: a little the little nervous guy, little sort of quiet
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  Speaker 3: nervous guy.
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  Speaker 2: Tonati was a serial killer. Spoiler alert. Oh for the
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  Speaker 2: show that's twenty years old.
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  Speaker 1: No one hell of a twist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, but that just happens to be
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  Speaker 3: how I feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think that sounds like something you've just said.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just the way I feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: And now me being nervous, say I'm sorry. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think? I know you're better than that. No, you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say, yes, sir, absolutely, yeah, I think. As it started,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so where is this? If this is
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  Speaker 1: a dreamscape type episode, it's a weird it's a weird
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  Speaker 1: thing to dream.
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  Speaker 2: But like John has a habit of weird dreams.
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  Speaker 3: When he had that soprano dream the other at the
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  Speaker 3: start of the season, he was drinking wine with Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: that's true, and Forward showed up for a split second.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the splittest of seconds. But this, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: it could be some type of device. You know, We've
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  Speaker 1: been in episodes of SG one where we're in some
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  Speaker 1: weird place or that the characters are sort of slotting
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  Speaker 1: into different roles and then it turns out that they're
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  Speaker 1: all plugged into a machine and it's some type of
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  Speaker 1: matrix set up, and they slowly realize something's going wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well we've got John who is
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  Speaker 1: from Earth. He's back on Earth. He's the leader of
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  Speaker 1: a team. Okay, he's a detective and he's outsolving vicious murders.
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  Speaker 1: And but there's like animalistic type murders. You know, he's
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  Speaker 1: been his blood has been drained, and this looks like
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  Speaker 1: it's an attack we some type of animal or something.
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  Speaker 1: So that ties into Okay, that's the real world version,
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  Speaker 1: and he's stopping Wraith, and okay, are we going to
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  Speaker 1: get to a point where yeah, this is that for
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  Speaker 1: s G A interesting you would do that with two
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  Speaker 1: episodes to go. And it was like them having so
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  Speaker 1: much fun with the idea of like let's overly ce
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  Speaker 1: USI the shit out of things. Yeah, and like they
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  Speaker 1: nailed that the sort of like jump sort of like that.
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  Speaker 1: It was almost like it was twelve frames a second,
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  Speaker 1: so that's sort of like spotty sort of way, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know the sort of flash you know, cuts
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  Speaker 1: and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like famously, but I said to you last
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  Speaker 3: week or maybe the week before, I only made it
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  Speaker 3: through eight minutes of the audio commentary on this one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and was basically them just talking about everything, they.
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  Speaker 1: Like, super proud of themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, basically just going well, you know, in the
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  Speaker 3: lead up to this, we watched an entire season of
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  Speaker 3: CSI with audio commentary.
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  Speaker 1: I could have done it with one episode, yeah, maybe two.
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  Speaker 3: And then talked about like, oh, you know, yeah, CSI
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  Speaker 3: is known for you know shots, and then also like
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  Speaker 3: having a hot spot or like on the screen there's
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  Speaker 3: always some kind of hot you know, piece of lighting
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  Speaker 3: and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just minutes and minutes and minutes, and
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  Speaker 2: I just went, oh, I'm so.
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  Speaker 1: Not for me. Yeah, maybe I would like that. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I would like the filmmaker side of it, because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I normally do when it's like a Peter de
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  Speaker 2: Luiz would.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean for something that you're not into, which
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  Speaker 1: is like procedurals, You're like, I could care less about
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  Speaker 1: watching it let alone. I just said I could care less,
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  Speaker 1: you know, So I hate that I could care less
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  Speaker 1: about that. I'm like, see you care a little bit. No,
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  Speaker 1: actually I couldn't care less. We'll say that you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: care less. If you could not care less, say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was on that my friend used to get
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  Speaker 3: get wrong? It'll come to me I'll think of it.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a word that yeah that shoot, oh
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  Speaker 3: with all intensive purposes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot that
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  Speaker 1: the whole that whole phrase is a lot you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it does sound like that, sure, yeah, with all
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  Speaker 1: intad said purposes, it's like, oh, okay, someone's cultured here. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: on the.
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  Speaker 3: Audio commentary, this is pretty much the point where I
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  Speaker 3: checked out.
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  Speaker 1: But he also had the freedom to go out to
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  Speaker 1: the desert, which is somewhere we never get to see
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  Speaker 1: that kind of landscape in our usual settings here.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah Stargate, Stargate has never been to the desert.
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  Speaker 3: That's something real. And you'll hear in the background that
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  Speaker 3: was the opening credits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So there wasn't long after that I pieced out,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I was just like, yees, Stargate's not known
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  Speaker 3: for the desert.
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  Speaker 2: We've never seen the desert before. So I'm so glad
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  Speaker 2: you don't.
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  Speaker 1: They look back at the movie, which took place almost
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  Speaker 1: entirely in a desert. Yeah, I appreciated like how well
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  Speaker 1: they mimicked the style. And then it went on like
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  Speaker 1: that for probably half and then it was just maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was the moment where he basically got picked up
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  Speaker 1: by that version of the SG whatever, right, and he's
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  Speaker 1: being spoken to and by Woolsey and by McKay and
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  Speaker 1: there was no thing CSI about it from that point
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  Speaker 1: on that none of the sort of the style of CSI.
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  Speaker 1: And it just kept going, and I just I found
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  Speaker 1: myself asking, Okay, well, why are we doing this then?
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  Speaker 1: If we're not gonna if it isn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: like a complete one hundred percent parody episode, why are
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  Speaker 1: we doing this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Certainly wasn't a like, for laughs parody episode No. Two
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  Speaker 3: hundred which you know what, I'm whole extreme or maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I would have been more pissed off about that. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And look, I wasn't entirely like upset
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  Speaker 1: with this episode by no means. It was just I
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  Speaker 1: think having the knowledge which they would have at the
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  Speaker 1: time as well making it, and as fans I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: would have known ahead of watching it, Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: your second last episode of Stargate Atlantis, And I just
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  Speaker 1: found myself going, why now? Why not ten episodes ago?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if this was the second last episode of season
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  Speaker 3: two or something like that, I'd be like, yeah, fine, whatever, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And you just skip it. But it's like, essentially this
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  Speaker 3: entire episode, the payoff was the Wraith sixty in sending
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  Speaker 3: that message to multiple universes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so last week you said to me save
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know whether you gave me a time
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  Speaker 1: duration or just said save for one moment or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. It's the episode kind of has no point.
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  Speaker 1: Is that purely what you meant? Because okay, good? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, so we're only
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  Speaker 1: building up to this, Okay, cool. This is a it's
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  Speaker 1: a frightening prospect, the idea of like, well, something we're watching,
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  Speaker 1: something that's happening in a different reality that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be very dangerous for our guys. That they're giving
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  Speaker 1: away the location of Earth, our Earth in our reality,
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  Speaker 1: and we're watching how that has happened. So cool, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you're using up forty odd minutes of a
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  Speaker 1: storyline to set that up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's spoiler a little bit for next week.
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  Speaker 3: There's just there's a random moment next week where they
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  Speaker 3: get a transmission. Yeah, and they're like, oh, it's come
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  Speaker 3: from another universe and it's broadcasting the location of Earth.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, right, so now the rape next week,
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  Speaker 2: the rath no where Earth is now?
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  Speaker 1: I know, Hey, it's the multiverse, tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: billions of different options that we could go for. But
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  Speaker 1: the way that these sort of stories movies and TV
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  Speaker 1: set to work, it's like if they refer to having
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  Speaker 1: interacted with one another before, it's like, oh, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: the same one that we saw, you know, Spider Man,
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  Speaker 1: No Way Home. That's nothing to say that's our Toby
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  Speaker 1: Maguire from the three movies we've seen, or that's our
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield. But there's enough things that tick the boxes
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  Speaker 1: along the way that we're for the audio, for the
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  Speaker 1: audience that is, you know, we're trying to make the
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  Speaker 1: point that there are tens to the billions of the
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  Speaker 1: power of whatever our options out there, but we're going
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  Speaker 1: to say, yeah, these are actually the two that you
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  Speaker 1: were familiar with as an audience. So the idea that
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  Speaker 1: we saw to Rodneys is that what we're meant to
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  Speaker 1: believe is when we had the two Rodney's, the alternate
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  Speaker 1: one is the one we followed in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, So he's not rod He's right.
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  Speaker 1: He's not the cool right, that's I thought, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I liked that guy. Now you're a bit of a dick.
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  Speaker 1: But that's Rodney. But he referred to having interacted to who.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so this the Rodney in this episode obviously had
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  Speaker 3: a similar experience where a version of rod came and
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  Speaker 3: visited him. Because this version of this version of McKay
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  Speaker 3: has never met John before. This is the first time
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  Speaker 3: he met he's met John, whereas.
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  Speaker 1: Rod Cool Rod obviously had his.
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  Speaker 2: Best friends he works on a team with with Sheppard.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about that, Yes, yeah, I had.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go back.
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  Speaker 3: I had to go back and read some stuff about it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's what he was basically insinuating.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the marvelous Missus Miller Miller h episode. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically that's that's how this universe found out
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  Speaker 3: about other universes. At some point a version of rod
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  Speaker 3: you know, another different showed up terminator style in that
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  Speaker 3: tube like on Atlantis. Yeah, but in this version, Shepherd
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  Speaker 3: never never joined the Well that's edition.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of cool. And yeah, if it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: well this is a different Rodney McKay that has never
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  Speaker 1: interacted with it's not that he's the one that's interacted
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  Speaker 1: with our Rodney McKay. He hasn't even interacted with the
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  Speaker 1: other Rodney that interacted with our Rodney McKay. It's just
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  Speaker 1: that similar things have happened to them along the way,
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  Speaker 1: so that expands in the old idea of a multiverse. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I actually like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, something that I did think was fun though, which
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know until I was sort of reading up
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  Speaker 3: the bits and pieces about it. The Wraith guy like
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  Speaker 3: the Raith, that's Kayleik, that'member son of Anubis.
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  Speaker 2: The Hello Richard or do you prefer Dick?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, same guy, same.
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  Speaker 2: Mac Daniel Jackson. Okay, yeah, I had no idea. Can
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  Speaker 2: you like him a little bit more?
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  Speaker 3: Because I love Kayley kyleek it's such a dick. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, that's such a weird thing to get
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  Speaker 3: him back and not have any lines and this be
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  Speaker 3: this weird Wraith.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm watching the Yeah, the weird Raith and like
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  Speaker 1: he's doing the make like it was. It was a
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  Speaker 1: convince to make it what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but as a as a production studio that
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  Speaker 3: makes like TV shows and does make up, there is
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  Speaker 3: no way anybody even if you've got the.
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  Speaker 2: The the immune system of a Wraith.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way you're putting hand makeup on and then
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  Speaker 3: putting a contact in your eyeball. Come on, the line
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  Speaker 3: must be drawn here this far. No, don you think
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  Speaker 3: he should have had He should have had the contact
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  Speaker 3: lens hidden in his hand vagina and you could have
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  Speaker 3: just put it in like that.
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  Speaker 1: Sterile in the Absolutely Okay. I thought you're going to
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  Speaker 1: put sh on on just like how his makeup and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't look convincing enough. Well that that works well
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  Speaker 1: for the character.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: What I thought was a little bit though, is when
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  Speaker 3: we do the flashbacks or whether to the first murder
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  Speaker 3: in the car?
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  Speaker 1: What do you what? Do you what do you think
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  Speaker 1: I was two up to?
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  Speaker 2: I mean they were they were kind of parts.
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  Speaker 1: I think we need one in the driver's seat there
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  Speaker 1: needy he needed money mate?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he's He's like, do you do you
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  Speaker 3: wanna Do you want a blowjob, a hand job or
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  Speaker 3: a combo?
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  Speaker 2: Because I can do it all with my hands.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want a hand vagina job?
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  Speaker 1: That's oh my god, it's not gay if it's a
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  Speaker 1: hand for a job.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how he that's how he sucked the life
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  Speaker 3: out of him quite literally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if if you're gonna go, that's the way
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  Speaker 2: to go, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But I just know there are people that needing to
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  Speaker 1: get into this studio very soon, and they're probably in
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  Speaker 1: a place now where they can hear it. Holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: that last minute would be the wildest thing. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when he's putting on applying the makeup, which is good
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  Speaker 1: because I obviously had to have him in wraith makeup,
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  Speaker 1: but then apply human looking makeup and prosthetics to the
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  Speaker 1: wraith to the same.
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  Speaker 2: Thing they did with Jack Nicholsons as.
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  Speaker 1: The Joker mate can I I watched that last night.
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  Speaker 1: I watched that movie last night, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I have ever given as much respect to how much
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  Speaker 1: prosthetics he was wearing. It wasn't just like the heightened cheeks.
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  Speaker 1: It's like all the way back, like yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: big sort of almost to his almost to his ears almost.
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  Speaker 1: There was a side on shot when he's talking abob
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  Speaker 1: at one point and I'm like, oh my god, look
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  Speaker 1: how far back Anyway, That's just that's just weird that
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  Speaker 1: you brought that. I literally was watching twelve hours ago,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, it's good Christmas viewing for my kids,
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  Speaker 1: because we don't get to Batman Returns Return Christmas, your
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  Speaker 1: favorite Christmas movie. But I'm watching it and because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't I don't know actors, and and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: remember when this one was made, and I'm like, is
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  Speaker 1: that Sam whitwor like he just buy that? Yeah? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: He's got that really like pronounced sort of like the
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  Speaker 1: chin and the chin.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a very strong facial structure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like his his brow above his eyes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that looks that's that's a maybe that's a
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: what's what's a cloth Sommon version of Sam some some
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  Speaker 1: what work? Maybe make it.
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  Speaker 2: Ship up I'm in winter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So well anyway, I was just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: is this gonna be? Is this gonna be mister star
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  Speaker 1: Wars himself? Sam would bring him.
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  Speaker 2: Back for the reboot, bring him back to the new show.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, like he did cut like a a
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  Speaker 1: Wesley Snipes blade type vampire look of like sexy. He
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  Speaker 1: was a sexy wraith like walking through the streets of Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Long leather jacket.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with the cool glasses and stuff. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: the pale phasis. I'm like, dude, you're either that or
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  Speaker 1: you one of the twins from the Matrix where you
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: loaded I can taking their dreads out. Yeah, because in
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  Speaker 1: any other show, you'd be like, really like, you're not
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: gonna buy that guy's been a little bit off and
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: he's walking around the streets of Vegas. And also look
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: at the style that that guy's cutting. I'm not surprised
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: that no one looked at him twice and went it's
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you're one of the You're one of
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: those people that just sort of sits in the middle
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: of the of the CBD, you know.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: But I also feel like, having never been to Vegas,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like he would have fit in better in
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: either La or New York than he would have the
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: desert of Vegas.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So yeah, So like I kind of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: liked what this was. I just don't know that I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: where it comes down for me, Like it might not
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: be down the bot. I'm trying to think of where
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: what we thought was clearly going to be our bottom
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: place for our rank, which.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: We'll do in a couple of episodes, Kelly gets turned
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: into the.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe I feel like there was one a little bit
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: more recently, but maybe i've been re listening to the pods.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Anyway, I don't think I could confidently
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: say this is not going to be my bottom episode.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I just think it the overall score that I might
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: give it has been brought down a little bit because
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: of its placing. Knowing that next week is the final
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and I haven't seen the final episode yet, so it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: could make me feel worse about this episode given whatever's
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: going to happen in that episode. I don't know.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely not a two part of any stretch
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: of the imagination.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: It's just a you know, this has a tiny correlation
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: between sort of this and next week's episode.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Now, given that you're a fan of this episode, oh yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that you didn't watch both versions
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of it, but you did watch the extended.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I had the option.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't watch the extended I know that for
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a fact.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Oh really, yes, so I clicked on the DVD. I
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: watched it on the DVD. Yeah, and it says extended episode. Yea,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: there's no option for the other the non or the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: extended episode.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: You just prayed have to be the extended Yeah, it was.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Only forty four minutes and twenty nine seconds, so like
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: so maybe an extra minute maybe?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, whether you knew what
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the what the difference was?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: No idea, no idea.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like with obviously with the last time we
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: had an extended episode would have been Threads back in
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: season eight of SG one, and I.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Feel like that was a full extra like ten to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes or something.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but this was just it was a.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Forty four minute, twenty nine second episode, and I'm like
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: that same as next week.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I clicked on that and it's a forty three minute,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: fifty five episode and it calls it an extended episode,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, is that because forty two minutes is
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the normal run time?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe? Well, I promise I will commit to watching the DVD.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to mess around by watching this on
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: my phone or a laptop. Like it's the finale, Like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I'm already nervous about it, Like it's the end of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a show. Like when we got to the finale of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we get to unending for SG one. It's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: like I remember this episode and it's sad that we're
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: at the end of SG one, but I'd already seen that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen Stargate Atlantis. So like for me, I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: doing something that you won't be able to experience until
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the end of this new show coming out in a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: couple of years, and I'm getting to have that now,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Like what a selfish viewer. I get to have this
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: finale now in a year's time, I get to have
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the finale of Universe, and then maybe a year later again,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I had to get to have the finale of whatever
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: this new show is. So it pays to be late sometimes.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I always tell people.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Something that I was late to they mentioned in this episode,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I never got to see it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Oh he could have abandoned whatever resources you had and
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just gone into hiding.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, you've probably got a job as a cleon
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: at Star Trek the experience and shut down.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Really damn, I want to see that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: That was a That was a Robert Pocado edition for
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: him saying it did shut down.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Robert Pacado was part of that. Yeah recorded videos.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: He did that one and I think Borg Invasion or
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: something like that in Yeah Vegas, the Star Trek Experiences
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and Yeah, they shut down.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That's actually kind of fun when I had that, Like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I was, I was so moving about while watching this,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and that made me stop and pause and looking him like, oh,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: come that he's going to have a field day with this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hey, look, we don't often throw to or break.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: We're going to throw to it now only because if
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we didn't, we're going to potentially sound very different the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: next thing we say, because we're actually getting kicked out
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of the studio and we're going to go record in
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a different studio. But yeah, we get slightly different Mike
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, so if we sound different in thirty seconds,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that's why.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Injured these ads. Uh No, Ronan and Taylor this episode,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: which I thought was weird.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I thought that was strange too. Again,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: granted that we are two episodes to go, and it
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: makes sense that we've got these two alien creatures that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: they would play no part. It wasn't one of these
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: things where it's like, oh, in this one, Hammond is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the president and you know, Walter is the guy that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: works at the local convenience or anything like that, as
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it done an SG one before. But yeah, again, just
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the idea of not having two of our main cast members.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this just seems like a bit of a
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Guys, like, how do we.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Tell said last week?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: This episode was filmed last which means Rachel and Jason
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: would have rapped right on the show completely and weren't
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: even there for the last week of production.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's a bit I mean, I guess maybe you understand
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: maybe that care because they get they're on holidays, but
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: at the same time, the series is wrapped, the season,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the series finale has been filmed, and then it's like, Okay,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: we're going to bring back most of you, like not
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a kick in the dick.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But all the white males, which was weird. But maybe
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that's why.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: You know, mamull remember when he did the commentary for
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like his episode, he just like cracked the beer or whatever.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He was, shit, I don't care, I'm still getting paid.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why, like he'd already wrapped by that point.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: You said he filmed his final shots. Yes, I like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the idea of instead of it being his final shot,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it's when they're recording an episode that doesn't need him
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and he's just like, good, I'm getting drunk, because yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it painted a bit of a not so much a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: grim reality of the stargates anything, let alone program on
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: this Earth. But obviously it worked out a little bit
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: differently along the way. Would that be Would that be
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: fair to say, like I get there still over in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the Pegasus galaxy, but they've traveled back because of what's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: going on on Earth, because yeah, at the start, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: thought maybe the idea of having a wraith on Earth
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that is something that has happened in our reality. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the guys are almost living through a fear like John's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: living through like his greatest fear or something in some
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: type of miss like we've seen an SG one, which
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: obviously wasn't the case. But yeah, things have played out
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but generally also they are playing
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: out the same sort of way in this Pegasus. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: clearly it was going to get to it. Well, the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: fact they were already on Earth, which was not something
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that's happening in our reality, was just like, oh, okay,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: they haven't. They've not done something right, and more so
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: for your sake, I wanted them to stop short of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the idea of being like, well, maybe if John Shepherd
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: had been here the whole time, that this none of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this would have happened. So, but it is.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: The biggest plot hole for me is what I didn't
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: understand is obviously, in this universe the Wraith had found Earth,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: there was an attack, like they did say, like there
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: was a there was a hive that attacked yeah or
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: whatever and this and this. You know, Goth Wraith was
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: kind of just the last one left. So does that
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: mean in that universe, because obviously we know that all
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the Hives don't necessarily work together, does that mean they
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: were the only faction of Wraith that knew where Earth
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: was and didn't want to share that information with the
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: rest of the Wraith. So then his last ditch effort,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: knowing he was the last one left, his plan was
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: to let the Wraith of that universe know where Earth
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: was as kind of a revenge. But because of the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: explosion and all the stuff that happened, the secondary effect
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: is that the message then got sent to multiple other
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: realities universes.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so in a way.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: John made it worse, hiffed over every reality, Whereas if
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: they just let the Wraith get away with this plan,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: only that reality would have been.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean to each reality, it's the only
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, we're not going to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: sacrifice the world we're currently sitting here in this studio
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and go, well, you know what, if we've got to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: be fine with annihilation because maybe another one of us
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: out there will be okay, Like the same way I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: guess when we got on board that other Dadalus a
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: couple of episodes ago, and we just saw another version
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of the SGA team dead, and it's like there's probably
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a room in there where they've all been dying. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: didn't feel sad about it. That it sucks to be then,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but I'm not otherwise feeling that bad for those guys
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because they're not they're not ours, which maybe goes into
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: support your entire argument since they're but for the grace
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of God that because it's an alternative reality, we don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: care about it, and that's not what I'm here to do.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not agreeing with that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Also, if that message got out to all of or
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: at least some other realities, did the message not get
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to the Wraith in that galaxy? And is that galaxy
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: like that universe now safe as well?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Like it's the equivalent of like, okay, you and I
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: could step on an ant in the middle of the
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: corn in the middle of the room. But what that
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: means is, in six months time, billions of ants overtake
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the entire planet and every other planet in the multiverlin
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: every other earth in the multiverse by us stepping on
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: this one ant. So like, if if we just stepped
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: on that and let let that ant do what it
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: needed to do, you and I would die in six
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: months time from the ants taking over. But every other
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you know, reality, which they know exist in this universe, Yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: every other reality is over. But like it's a it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a weird it's a weird way to go. But yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: like I think I probably would have been more harsh
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: on this episode had it been, like you were saying earlier,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a dream sequence or some kind of you know, non
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: real thing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It's at least it is real in a way.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, very much like there, for the grace of God,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I don't care because we never we never go back,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: We never revisit any of these people. And presumably John
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: dies at the end of this episode, yeah, where he's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: kind of just left their bleeding out.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That's how it's so good.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which also, yeah, because you know, John loves to
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: make a sacrifice.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: What was weird though, is the way he quit, like
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: prior to that, when he like, just he stole all
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: that Wraith money, all that evidence he stole that money,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: quit like a dick, just like walked out of his
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: office without saying a thing to his captain and then
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: just drove into the desert and was just like, I'm
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: out of here, I'm done.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And then it was only because he figured.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: It out through his little flashbacks, his little CSI flashbacks
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: or his little little monk house style working out the thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I'm going to go and stop this.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Wraith died in the process. And over ever other reality.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I'd forgotten about the money thing he's taken,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: but here I was about to say, shy of even
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the it's condemning other realities, especially the one that I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: assume going into a series finale that I haven't seen
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: yet that includes ours very much. So outside of that,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: this world was saved by him because he didn't give
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: up the SG whatever they were giving up. They're like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows this seems bad? He could be
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: out there anywhere, like the amount of power that he
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: needs doesn't even exist on this blood Ah, it'd be
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: so much. And it's like, nah, he's just near a PowerTower.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He's fine, he's just plugged into the grid and he'll
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: be okay. It's like, all right, cool. He might be
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: draining the entire of Vegas then okay. They seem to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: not think there was enough power and like the continental
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: United States or whatever. But he's just you know, plugged
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it into a socket in the you know, from his
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: from his meth lab in the middle of the Vegas desert. Fine, whatever,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But they were they were resound to not finding him
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: almost they were almost okay that they were giving up,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: because well, what else can we do? Whereas John did
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: stop it and yeah, in the end got himself killed
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: for it, but that earth, as far as we know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: he got to survive because yeah, maybe so.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: The transmission didn't get spread out in that universe.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: It only when through like the.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That's what they said, right there was like a rip
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: checked out. Yeah, there was like a rip in the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: fabric of space time and that basically all the information
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: got like straight into the rip and it didn't make it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: They said, we can guarantee, we can't be that we're
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: not detecting these radio signals or whatever beyond the Solar
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: System or beyond the Milky Way, So therefore it hasn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: gotten to the Pegasus galaxy where Yeah, the wraith, but maybe.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The message only came to our reality.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe maybe it didn't go over.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Every single reality because obviously when Rod goes through the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the the what do they call it, the Miller Bridge
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: or whatever it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Is, he didn't go into every universe. He just went
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: into our universe.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: So maybe the little thing the tear in in in
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: subspace or the whatever that this raith did maybe next
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: week where the only universe that got that signal. Yeah, point,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: that's that's better, better than every single universe and the multiverse.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I guess wonder if it would have been cool on
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: some I know that we're to assume. I guess that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: many other SGA teams have died on that alternate dead
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: list from the variations. We don't know that we only
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: saw one group, but we're to lead on there's probably
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a room down there with one hundred different ronans in there,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: just stacked on top of each other, because that's hot
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to begin with.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously, was it last week that I said just chop
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: up the pieces and was chop up the body and
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the pieces.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Jesus. I've tried to forget it, but had they have
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: insinuated that, I don't know. I was going to say.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: It was almost like not that it was their dead lists,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: but that their deadlists had gone missing or something to like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I guess then, is you are limiting that the scope
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of the multiverse if we insinuate, oh, we lost a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: team on some rogue deadalists, we know the multiverse exists,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: or our dead lists went missing and we haven't been
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: able to find it. We think it went to a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: different reality or something like that, because they may well
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: of overshared because it was so interesting to see there
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was there was no precedent for why they were telling
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: him everything. Right that he gets brought in by Wolsey
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and then McKay walks in. I was like, I'm going
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to tell him anyway, you know, and just like full
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Bond villain exposition heavy tells him everything and not even
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like hey, I'm going to tell you because or hey
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think I can trust you, just everything. For like
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, it felt like and we're getting as an
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: audience that's been watching our version of of SGA operate
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: in a completely different way. We're getting to hit the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: backstory of this world, and then only when he's about
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to get in his fucking car, he's like why, and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, now, I there's a different version of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you out there. I'd like to think that that you'd
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be trustworthy as well. So yeah, yeah, he was cool
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and I figured you'd be the same type
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of guy. So I'm like, that's a fucking gamble when
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you're talking about international and interstellar secrets here, guys. I'll
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: allow it because I know both of these characters, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I know that this John clearly is a version of trustworthy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: But like that that excuse a little thin.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: He's also a thief because he stole all that money,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: so I.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Made drug money or something.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: It's fine, blood money, it's right, yeah, yeah, but those
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: people already they're already dead.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: True.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: True.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was weird though, with the Wraith,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the fact that he chose to face plant, like when
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: when John was chasing him after the after the poker game,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: and the Wraith like jumped off the roof to escape him.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's a maybe you could argue, well, if he'd
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: landed on his if he tried to do a superhero landing,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: his bones would have gone through.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: His body or whatever.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: But the fact that he just chose to face plant
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and like crack his skull on the on the concrete
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and then heal and then get up.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, Trually, there's a cooler way to have
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: done that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I reckon he watched Men in Black when he was
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in his hotel room, and that's that that alien that
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Will Smith's chasing at the start where he doesn't also
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: know anything about aliens, and that guy does some freaking
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: dicky shit, and yeah, the idea of like, I'm going
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to do this because I'm pretty sure I'm going to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: be able to recover from this.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I mean only being that I wish I lived in
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: the Many Black universe and this episode could have been.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Uilized, given me to realize yourself.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got Walter, we got some Walter.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Always happy to see his Yeah when it pops up
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Gary Jones guest starring, and I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: just throw him in. Why not at this point.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Have we seen him at all this season? I don't.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. So his last episode would have been.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Unending. And then I guess he was in Continuum.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because who who we didn't get him in Oh no,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that was last season anyway. I was thinking of Midway.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that was last season.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: That was last season.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: So a few other little cameos we did get though, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: if you look closely, when John is walking through the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: casino brad right, yes, yes, oh, I want to say
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the black jack table. And then in the actual like
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the high stake secret game that the Wraith is a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: part of. Yeah, one of the guys sitting there is
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Joel Goldsmith. Oh nice, the composer who Brendan you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: did it did that great bit for for Jerry and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Joel when we did what Continuum?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: So I think there were a few more others in there,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: but it was one of those instances where, yeah, they
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: just got a lot of the behind the scenes, behind
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the camera people and put them into the episode.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to say it though, because in the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: finale of Deep Space nine they have a recurring holiday.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: We have changed studios. You know that I don't have
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: on hand the ability to give you a that's one.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: It's going to make you put it in in post.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It could be that's two to be fair because you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: played that audio where they talked about Star Trek. But
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I'll allow that because the show gave that to us.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, but yeah, there is a recurring holiday program
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: in Deep Space nine, which is vic Fontaine. It's like
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a nineteen fifties Vegas casino kind of situation. And in
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the final episode they go there and he sings a
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: song and the crowd is full of the director and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: show runner and they're all dressed up as like nineteen
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: fifties Vegas sort of people.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: So did seem a little a little too on the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: nose for me.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Given that that was literally ten years before this nineteen
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: ninety nine.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Well, finally of Deep Space ninals, I'm happy for you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I had anything else to talk about,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I'd give you a that's three so that I could
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: have a microphone turned off.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But we can just bowl mate. I mean, it's nice
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and sure, but we can bail because we are excited
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: about next week. Well, I assume mine going to be.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a finale, regardless whether it's shit or
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it is something you know, like, you
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: haven't teased Vegas that well, but I'm assuming that next
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: week's finale is better.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, anything could be better than this For me,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: at least, I think anything could be better than Vegas.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Will you commit to watching the end We're listening to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the entire audio commentary? Then, oh god, no for next week?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh no for next week?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Ye, so automatically better.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm just trying to in my head, I'm going,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: what's worse this or like first Commandment?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm okay. I was thinking maybe again, although
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all these fanciful ideas that we have at the end
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of when we don't have episodes, or maybe we're padding
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: for time between you know, universe and whatever this new
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: series is going to be. And I finally watched the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: first ones, and you finally have to listen to the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: audio commentary of Vegas.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Only if you watch the first ones and then watch
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the first ones with the Peter Delawize audio commentary that
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: explains all the things that Shaku is saying, and then
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: you go back and watched a third time knowing what
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Peter Delawie says about the episode. If you do it,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: if you do that three times. So if you watch
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: first one three times, I'll listen to the full audio
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: commentary of this once.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Is that deal? At the start, I was like going, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I've clearly got the better end of the deal. In
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the end, that's two hours of my life, Like, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: could do worse. And you know, you know that there's
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: TV out there that I do watch more than once
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: because I watch it next week the episode I'm like, Han,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: last week, I'm going to rewatch it. I didn't have
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that sort of time, but I do find the time.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: The flip side is, obviously I would quite happily watch
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the first ones once, then listen to the audio commentary,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: then watch it again, knowing what I've listened to the
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: audio commentary. I would rather do that than listen to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the audio commentary of this episode.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we should swop.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Time is a flat circle for me, you know what
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I mean. So it doesn't matter. I've got the time.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Two hours is nothing. Two hours of enjoyment over forty
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: minutes of absolute mind numbing this.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Come on, mate, I just like this.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Conversations you know, we have with each other, send each
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: other voice notes and they go, oh man, I've been
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: wanting to watch this one episode of TV for like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: six months, and I just keep like running out of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: time to do it. And you go, ah, I'm currently
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: watching three episodes of Star Trek that I know that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I've seen eleven times each. You know, I'm like, oh,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: can I just borrow a little bit of that time?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have to steal it all? Please that?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Or I could recommend you watching some stuff for the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: first time through, but you know, I don't want to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: yuck your gum.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You do a little bit, You do a little bit.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: What are we talking about again? Get into Geek, get
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: into the Gate, get into gate Stargate, and send me
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: some ass brea