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Patriots Unfiltered 12/23: Ravens Breakdown, Playoff Picture, Pats Pro Bowlers · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's of Vegetal podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Like
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  Speaker 2: lead them, the lead, lead them, Paul, when you go
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  Speaker 2: to lead them. Please beat them here after everything we've
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  Speaker 2: been through the last.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of years. No, yes, that's right. So I actually
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  Speaker 3: did this because I'm a nerd. And this what ideal?
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  Speaker 4: Houston by fourteen and a half, Houston with a really
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  Speaker 4: easy schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Golly, mis molly and two goodness.
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  Speaker 2: Gracious, all this talk about who would you rather face
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs? You're one of your places. NBC Sports
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  Speaker 2: of Boston had a poll. Don't drag us into your polls.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever's our opponent? That's who will.
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  Speaker 5: Put madic about that at all?
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  Speaker 1: To who do you want to face them?
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday. Here
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  Speaker 2: richel Let's stadium. And why don't I have a light
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  Speaker 2: on on any cameras? I don't know anyway, no talent today,
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  Speaker 2: so we don't know which cameras are on. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: it's this one. But yes, so huge win, huge, huge.
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  Speaker 4: It's a true professional right there. Just you know, we
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  Speaker 4: have a little bit of a glitch going on. He
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  Speaker 4: just he fought right through it, even he lasted ten
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  Speaker 4: seconds before we go on.
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  Speaker 2: I like to show people behind the scenes how the
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  Speaker 2: sausages to be hard.
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  Speaker 1: If you have to go to your one for something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I start right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: Great win, great win. I don't care how it transpired.
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  Speaker 2: You beat Baltimore in Baltimore, desperate team, bad matchup, you
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  Speaker 2: knew that going in, tons of injuries, bad refereeing. You're
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  Speaker 2: still you still want, You're still want. And now the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots are in the playoffs. Yep, nothing that can happen
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  Speaker 2: that can take the playoffs, the Patriots out of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: No, nice to do it on your terms too. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really want to wait till you know, oh this
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  Speaker 1: team lost and all of a sudden, you know, on
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  Speaker 1: the Sunday night or Monday night, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we're in the playoffs. So it was nice to
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  Speaker 2: be able to do it on your turn steal your
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  Speaker 2: own fate. So I love it. I love it. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's Deuce. Will even be by. He's always
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  Speaker 2: just decided to take time off to eat a sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: Most of us wait till a break and then we eat.
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  Speaker 2: But you know that's all right.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't he couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: I have friends in the mafia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be able to watch yourself, and they'll work
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  Speaker 2: at Jersey Mikes.
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  Speaker 1: Uh okay, which, by the way, it's a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: story about Jersey Mikes with Evan. I know we never
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  Speaker 1: shared that one on them from from the well.
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  Speaker 2: That later, but I know people Tuesday, people want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this Baltimore game, what it means. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 2: talked about the Pages being in the playoffs, not the
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  Speaker 2: af C East. Yet that can happen this coming week.
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  Speaker 2: If the Patriots win and Buffalo loses, then they automatically
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  Speaker 2: get the a f C East this week. So still
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  Speaker 2: a lot to play for. Obviously, in the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: There is Evan.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, you're good.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I was finishing my sandwich. Why don't you wait
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  Speaker 3: till the break? I don't know. I jumped the gun
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  Speaker 3: and then I was eating and.
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  Speaker 2: Got a nice haircut.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just got it this morning. G and L yep,
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  Speaker 3: G and A. It's okay, G and A.
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  Speaker 1: I went in there and it didn't really seem like
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  Speaker 1: they knew me. But then when I was walking out,
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  Speaker 1: he gave me a little like little knowing no, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, maybe he does know me, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't say it. You should have like a little
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  Speaker 2: one of those boomboxes with you, so whenever you walk
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  Speaker 2: in a room it plays one of the songs here
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  Speaker 2: and then.
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  Speaker 1: A haircut.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're they're popular spot because you know all the
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  Speaker 6: Christmas cuts, you know, the dads and with their sons
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  Speaker 6: in there getting their spiffy for the holidays.
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  Speaker 2: I had time. I do it all right. So where
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  Speaker 2: do you want to start with this game? I mean
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  Speaker 2: obviously beginning first three hundred yard game and got the
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  Speaker 2: game ball was predicted by Fred and got the game ball.
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  Speaker 2: After the games, as predicted by also May, we'll have
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  Speaker 2: a three hundred plus yard game. What about the other
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  Speaker 2: part you cut it out?
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  Speaker 5: Did you get I gave you. People were talking over you,
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  Speaker 5: but I gave you your props.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I heard you. We said that every week.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you. I heard it.
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  Speaker 5: It was just Paul Snart.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you.
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  Speaker 5: But you do say it every week?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Is that why you got mad at me yesterday? When
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  Speaker 5: I gave you your props you kind of walked by
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  Speaker 5: me or you're busy.
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  Speaker 2: I was busy lead three yard and you nailed it and
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  Speaker 2: he just like he goes. I think I was on
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  Speaker 2: my way to a meeting, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Okay it Yeah, did you bring the Penske file?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: It was a great win.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, I admit early on it was frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely uh not happy with how it went
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  Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Thought they started slow and
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  Speaker 1: that was not a formula I was hoping for. But
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  Speaker 1: then that punched out fumble and to me, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how you guys felt in the stadium, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like right there, it felt like Baltimore all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden started to clam up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course you know, Lamar got hurt. And
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  Speaker 1: but all credit to Drake there at the end. That
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  Speaker 1: was awesome. That fourth down pass. I mus must have
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  Speaker 1: watched it six times yesterday, just like what a laser.
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  Speaker 2: It was how close it was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that the past before was like I still
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  Speaker 1: have a heart attack about that one, but just it
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  Speaker 1: was therefore we've been waiting for. I mean I said
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  Speaker 1: it all summer, and you know, not to say now
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  Speaker 1: that he's done it once that that's it.
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  Speaker 2: He'll always do it.
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  Speaker 1: But at least you have some evidence now, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: game on the line.
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  Speaker 2: Say what you want about not playing Derek Henry or
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  Speaker 2: Lamar being hurt or whatever. The offense still need to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of that. Yeah, they still needed to come
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  Speaker 2: from behind by eleven points, yep, and they did it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 4: Had to be perfect in the last twelve minutes and
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  Speaker 4: fifty seconds of that game. The Patriots basically had to
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  Speaker 4: play perfect, and they did in all three phases.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was another one I was interested to talk
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  Speaker 1: Evan about. Was the RPOs at the end there. I
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  Speaker 1: really like that a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Some GF Counteryeah, yeah, a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody chasing Remondre on that last one, and they ran
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  Speaker 1: it the.
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  Speaker 3: First time and Ramon he handed it off, and so
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  Speaker 3: I think they probably thought, oh, it's just kind of
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  Speaker 3: for show that he's not actually going to keep it, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and so they kind of in that spot you kind
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  Speaker 3: of have to sell out and go after something somebody
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  Speaker 3: and something.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of a situational thing, though, I mean we haven't
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  Speaker 1: really seen a lot of that. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: he got the goal line a little bit, but that yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the low red zone stuff last week against Buffalo
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  Speaker 3: and then this week they pulled it out at the
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  Speaker 3: end to kind of ice the game and play eleven
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  Speaker 3: on eleven and you know, make the run game a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more dynamic that way in a close out situation.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that, you know, my whole like feeling
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  Speaker 3: while watching the game, you know in Baltimore was even
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  Speaker 3: when they got down eleven points, like you just don't
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  Speaker 3: feel like they're out of it now, and like that
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  Speaker 3: feeling is just so different than what it's been for
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  Speaker 3: five years now really since Brady left. And they have
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  Speaker 3: a guy now in Drake May that he can play
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  Speaker 3: bad for three quarters and you feel like he can
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  Speaker 3: bring him back. And I don't think that that's uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's not a small thing because you're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna be perfect every week. You're not gonna play you know,
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  Speaker 3: great out of the shoot every single week. You're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be behind, You're gonna have you know, moments in the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter where you're driving and you're down three points
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  Speaker 3: and you have to make plays. And uh, the addability
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  Speaker 3: now for them to be down two scores late in
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  Speaker 3: the game and just go touchdown, touchdown, you know, ballgame
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  Speaker 3: is uh it Yeah, it's such a huge it's such
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  Speaker 3: a huge difference, and you know he was There was
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  Speaker 3: obviously some plays that that weren't so good that he'd
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  Speaker 3: probably like to have back. But the high level plays
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  Speaker 3: that he made in this game really for all four quarters,
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  Speaker 3: even going right back to the opening drive, you know
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  Speaker 3: it digs twenty five yards over the middle on just
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  Speaker 3: an absolute dart like he was terrific.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the rainbow of Kyle Williams, you know, right
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  Speaker 2: in the bucket. Yeah. And by the way, the one
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  Speaker 2: to Remondre that was just a little long, that was almost.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good Yeah, that was a good shot.
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  Speaker 1: What was the feeling in the stadium though, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious how the contingent and Patriot fans who were
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  Speaker 1: very vocal you could hear that on the broadcast, but
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  Speaker 1: just did you feel like the angst from the Ravens
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  Speaker 1: fans of this season because they've been terrible at home
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  Speaker 1: and they come out seem like they're all right, they're
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  Speaker 1: ready to go. But it felt like things devolved. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys noticed the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 3: It was a cool atmosphere because before the game, they
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  Speaker 3: had Steelers Lions up on the video board and the
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  Speaker 3: whole stadium was watching the end of Steelers Lions, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously the Ravens were cheering hard for the Lions to
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  Speaker 3: come back in that game. And then that game kind
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  Speaker 3: of ended the way it did, and that was sort
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  Speaker 3: of deflating, I think at first, you know, and so
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  Speaker 3: that was sort of took the energy out a little
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  Speaker 3: bit for the fans that had been there already. And
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  Speaker 3: then Lamar gets hurt in the second quarter, so that
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  Speaker 3: takes the energy out even more. And so I don't
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  Speaker 3: really think that there was a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Lon't It wasn't like we've been there or I've been
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  Speaker 2: there for games where you know, Ravens are rolling and
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  Speaker 2: they're doing the chant and everything, you know, the White
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  Speaker 2: Stripe song, and it's it's pretty intimidating. Didn't get that
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  Speaker 2: sense at any time in this game.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting, No, And I think Mike's point about the first fubb,
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  Speaker 4: the Henry fumble, I think I haven't really felt all
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  Speaker 4: year that the Patriots were you know, you know, even
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  Speaker 4: when they've been on the heels, I haven't felt like
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  Speaker 4: they were on the verge of like really really bad stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I think they were on the verge of getting boat raced.
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  Speaker 4: The way the game started, I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 4: it was gonna stop. And that fumble stemmed the tide
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  Speaker 4: for a while, and then Jackson getting hurt obviously stemmed
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  Speaker 4: the tide for a while, but Baltimore was able to
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  Speaker 4: regain their composure and take control of the game back
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  Speaker 4: in the third quarter into the fourth quarter. And now
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  Speaker 4: at this point, I go to what Evan said. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel like the game was over, and I you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm prone to give a nodge. You guys said that
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  Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to call a game over or not
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  Speaker 4: off before it's over.
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  Speaker 5: It was close during the postgame couple of.
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  Speaker 4: Times, but the way I just you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: hear this, so maybe you go iermosire fred I said
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  Speaker 4: to Mike, this is what the Ravens do. Nobody blows
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  Speaker 4: more two score leads in the fourth quarter than the
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  Speaker 4: John Harbar Ravens. They're a really good team and a
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  Speaker 4: really good organization that wins a lot of games, but
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  Speaker 4: they blow a lot of two score leads in the
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  Speaker 4: fourth quarter in this particular year. It's not even any
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  Speaker 4: of those things. They're not a good team. They haven't
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  Speaker 4: been good at home. That's the sixth, sixth time they've
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  Speaker 4: lost that home this year. They find ways to lose
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  Speaker 4: those games. And I never thought the Patriots were out
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  Speaker 4: of the game. I expected them to go out and score.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know if they would win. Expect acted in
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  Speaker 4: the ground and.
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  Speaker 5: Score and put game pressure on Baltimore, and they did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I I mean I didn't love the
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  Speaker 1: fake punt. That to me was kind of the the
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  Speaker 1: bad moment where I that's it. I did, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of did my due.
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  Speaker 5: As a side.
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  Speaker 4: When they say if they lost the game twenty four
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  Speaker 4: to thirty, or let's just say twenty four to twenty one,
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  Speaker 4: maybe they score once, but then Baltimore is able to
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  Speaker 4: grind out some first downs and run the clock out.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think the reaction would have been to
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  Speaker 4: just basically handing them seven points.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're able. Took full responsibility today
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  Speaker 1: at his press conference and that was his call, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, admitted it wasn't a great call. Seem like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought. I it sounded like
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  Speaker 1: you wanted Mapu to just throw it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and just give west Over a chain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just gives over.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I always go back and forth with things
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  Speaker 3: like fake punts and stuff because everybody loves it when
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  Speaker 3: it works right, and it's only.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have loved this one if it went for
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  Speaker 4: a touchdown. I wouldn't have loved that just because of
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  Speaker 4: the game.
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  Speaker 3: But I hear what you're saying, but like all you
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  Speaker 3: can do is call it, and like when it doesn't work,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, everybody's all up in arms about it.
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  Speaker 3: I would wonder, and I didn't get a chance to
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  Speaker 3: follow up on it today, but I would wonder if
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  Speaker 3: there was an option to check out of it. Because
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore was in punt safe, so they had two levels
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  Speaker 3: of their unit. They weren't selling out to rush the punter,
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  Speaker 3: so normally, like you wouldn't want to call that into
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  Speaker 3: that look. So like they could just as easily lined
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  Speaker 3: up to call the fake checked out of it, and
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  Speaker 3: none of us would have been.
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  Speaker 5: But didn't it look like they did that the previous
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  Speaker 5: time they I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: The previous time that they punted, they were in a
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  Speaker 3: different formation and they were blocking, and my guess is
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  Speaker 3: that they were just making some sort of check. So
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  Speaker 3: that was the other thing that I think threw off
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  Speaker 3: the fake was they were in a different kind of formation,
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  Speaker 3: and so I'm sure Baltimore was looking at the formation
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  Speaker 3: that they were lined up in and was like, something's
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  Speaker 3: up here.
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  Speaker 4: And give them credit. Give Baltimore credit the reason why
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like it. And you're right if everybody just
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  Speaker 4: it's result oriented. But you're playing the backup quarterback. You're,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in a tight game. It's a tight kind
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  Speaker 4: of rock fighty game at the time. Don't play field position.
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  Speaker 4: It's fourth and ten, you know, not fourth and three.
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  Speaker 1: Big part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Just play field position and make Tyler Huntley drive the
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  Speaker 4: length of the field. He couldn't do that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean they threw He threw ten passes for sixty
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  Speaker 4: five yards like Lamar, you know, had a hunt over
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  Speaker 4: one hundred yards like one hundred and one yards, like, well,
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  Speaker 4: maybe they thought there was no there was no way
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  Speaker 4: Baltimore was going to be able to consistently drive the
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  Speaker 4: length of the field.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe him playing quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they didn't think that Derrick Henry was going
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  Speaker 2: to stay in the sideline and they were just going
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  Speaker 2: to chew up clock like crazy, and which they probably
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  Speaker 2: would have done if they played him.
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  Speaker 4: No, but he did play in that drive and he
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  Speaker 4: went when they went down and scored. I'm not suggesting that,
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  Speaker 4: but like maybe instead of making them go fifty yards
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  Speaker 4: for a touchdown, yeah, forty four yards for a touchdown,
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  Speaker 4: make them go eighty four yards for a touchdown, and
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  Speaker 4: if they do it, you tip your cap and say
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  Speaker 4: they did it.
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  Speaker 3: You guys, are right.
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  Speaker 2: I just try to figure out like what they were thinking.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, the other thing angle to it is, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you're it's Tyler Huntley, so like putting them on
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  Speaker 3: a shorter field, like you might think that the defense
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  Speaker 3: is going to hold, right and now way you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's.
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  Speaker 2: A field goal that is aunt of time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But I don't think I think they thought
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  Speaker 3: that they had a good a good play for it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think they thought it was going to work.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I totally think you don't. You don't rawl that
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  Speaker 4: if you don't think it's gonna work.
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  Speaker 3: No, I just mean like, I don't think that it
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  Speaker 3: was anything more than that. I don't know if it
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  Speaker 3: was anything.
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  Speaker 5: Just you know, I agree, I totally do it. I
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  Speaker 5: think it didn't work.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I just feel like I might think I have a
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: look in this game, and I'm sure it was specific
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: to Baltimore, you know, something that they worked on during
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: the week we got this play. We think it might
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: work based on the way Baltimore might show us something.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: I get that I would say, let's keep that one
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: in the pocket in this game because of the situation
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: in this game, not necessarily, you know, it was lower scoring,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: you didn't need you know. In other words, being down
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: four points at that time to me was not the
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: end of the world, but being down eleven made you
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: desperate and you put yourself in Now. To their credit,
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: they fought their way out of it and they were
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: able to overcome it. I just felt like they created
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: some of the adversity on their on their own.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I obviously you know, the Abel fell on the
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: sword for it this morning, and but you have to
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: have that ability to recognize they know something's up. On
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: the other side, they have two levels to their punt return,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: which you know they so basically they have like linebackers
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: playing at the second level here that are sitting on
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: potential routes down the field. They probably didn't know exactly
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: what the play design was, but they knew that they're right,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: there is a fake potentially coming. So you would have
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: liked to have just seen them check out of it,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: punt it, and you know, keep that one for another day.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing to me too, is
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: like maybe that works in the playoffs, Like maybe you're
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: down two touchdowns in a playoff game and he needs
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: something and like now it's on tape, Like now now
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: they know that that's your fake, So now you get
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: into that whole thing about it too. So I just
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: don't know if that was the spot they needed it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I like to focus on the positive things. Not only kidding,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: but I big shout out to remondre Steve. I was
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: just gonna bring him up with Henderson going down, he's
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: now the guy and he came through.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Vintage kind of you know performance from him. We had
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: him on the post game show. I shout it up, Paul.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, Remondre, just so you know, we're in
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: here every time you made a pass plot, Paul's getting
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: here going crazy. He's like, that's right, Paul Yell.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever spoken to him, like
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: one on one He's like, yeah, he.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Had a great one on Kyle Hamilton.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable, like two or three times, guys.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: You know, there was one and it looked like he
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: was like inside and they you know, like that you
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: were there to go up close to the A gap
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: and then they sort of you know, teams are starting
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: to adjust to those those kinds of adjustments now, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: they sent somebody wide and he still got out there
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: in time to get the guy. I think those players
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: are invaluable, and I think he had a really good
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: all around game.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It was also really interesting. He said on the on
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the final touchdown that you know play was designed to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: go left. Baltimore had everybody left, and he's like, I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: already knew I was taking it right. And as soon
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: as he got that corner, you know, everybody knew.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: The second I.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Think it was like Jered Wilson, like the second he
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: got around the corner and and great block by by
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Kyle william.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Kyle Williams, so you know, made sure he screened off
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: that last guy. Yeah, couple of guys went contributions by
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: so many different guys in individual spots.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: That's it, Paul, I mean, that's what this team is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: at its best. It's it's another one of those offensive
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: games where you go Hunter, Henry, Austin, Hooper, Kyle Williams,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, mac Hollins, Like every single one of those
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: guys came through and made contributions. I mean maybe Pop
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was the only one who didn't really contribute. I know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: we got hurt, so he didn't have a chance maybe,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: but that didn't get hurt. I mean, that's what's just
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: so exciting about this.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: That's the one the one thing to worry about going forward.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: I think they had nine guys leave the game at
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: some point and and Jared Wilson and that doesn't count.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, Jerry Wilson. Concussion. What Rabel said today by
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: by my so along with Henderson, how do you get.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: A concussion as an offensive lineman?
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: And who's a lot of concussions for uscussion.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Henderson, boy boy Henderson.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we saw get the Booty.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: One of the plays that the booty, you know, the
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: booty play was the play you got passing passing offense,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: which I know you guys think that I'm crazy.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: Did that one.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Just gonna leave that one right there, but that one smelled.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be an investigrate and I'm not exaggerating.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it at that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And I'm not talking this game. I'm talking all games.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: That's that's the difference between me and you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The other guy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I would like to give a little bit of a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: shout out to Jack Gibbons. Not perfect, but I thought
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: just for a guy who's in a really tough spot
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: having to make some tackle, you know, I just I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: liked what he brought on a defense where they just
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: needed somebody to make some tackles and make some plays,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and he did make some plays. It wasn't you know.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It's a misstackles too, But at the same time, without Spallane,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I just thought his effort really, you know, it's like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you feel like the line was right in the middle
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and he did just enough to keep you above that line.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I thought defensively. So it's just one guy to me
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that that when I watched it against.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, good stuff, and you know, Raybel called out
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Gonzales after the game, saying that he stepped up, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: kind of something clicked when they really needed it most.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: He had a good game, playing a little special teams
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: tackle on Derrick Henry. Uh. And we should mention that
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he and Drake May are Pro bowlers. Drake May his
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: first time, he'll be the.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: How do we tackle that?
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: How do we tackle second time?
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And then then truly first and then like technically Mac
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Jones made it in twenty twenty, but like not really
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, it's like you go.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Through the whole time.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Drake May. His answer about that today was hilarious. He's like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't deserve to be there last year. Like he
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you know, came out and said, like last year was ridiculous.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: He was like, I think they came to the as
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the last person they asked, and I finally got somebody
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that said yes that they would go.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: That's about the marking his coin.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the thing is he won't be able to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: play this year, hopefully Super Bowls.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Drake Also, so we heard from mil Williams today who
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: v Abel said, we'll begin practicing. Talked to him in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the locker room. He said that he was glad he
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: didn't need surgery. That's when he knew that he wouldn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he'd be able to come back. We asked him if
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: he would be able to if he thought he'd be
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: able to play this weekend. He said he needs to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: get out there and see. But he did say he
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: has been running, didn't have surgery, been really hard watching
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the games on TV. So we'll see. If they get
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: him back, it would be a huge boost. And another thing,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I saw Spalline in the locker room. No walking boot
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, good means it was anybody.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It was on the floor right next to it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: He just wasn't did anybody see the team actually depart
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the locker room? And if he had any no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: none of those.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: But it was a kind of a sparse locker room.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I was kind of, you know, taking in who was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: in there, who wasn't. Maybe guys were I think they
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: were going into a team meeting, so it wasn't quite
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the same as guys getting ready at their lockers and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you know they need to be in the locker room
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to get their pats on and stuff. So I think
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: we're all just really curious to see tomorrow what the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: what the injury report looks.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I think in the fourth quarter there was a time
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: where I think it was that last drive and I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: returned to Evan he said, he did, he did.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I heard you guys had some interesting neighbors up in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the press box down there in Baltimore.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Well, they have a new press box in Baltimore. They
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: moved it to the of the end zone, and you're like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it is tight. It's tight, like you can't get up
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: from your chair once you're in.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I know, I know what was We had to go
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to a game and for free, but it was one
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of the worst press boxes.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So that did it made it worse.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Rival rivals, the Miami Dolphins at hard Rock Stadium, for
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the made worse. Now the Commander is Washington in their
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: current stadium is also horrible. I could go down a list,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: but for me, all I care about is vantage point.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Like I don't necessarily care about the press box itself,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: but like you know me, I want to have a
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: nice view of the field.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: There's a lot in corners corner. Yeah, yeah, but at
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: least here it's high. The Washington one that Evan's talking about,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's still this way corner, you
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: get no prospective, you can't see anything.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: It is absolutely terrible. The whole stadium is terrible. That's
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: why that's why they're getting rid of a new one.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Do you guys like being in the middle though, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. I always look at like Reese on the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: because they're kind of like on the bend in our
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: press box, and they almost have for the end zone
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: view were more in the corner.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: The end zone is not good for perspective. Like you
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: see a pass go up and you don't know really
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: how high it is or low it is, and it's hard.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: For twenty six seasons.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I'll let you know when I can tell if a
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: pass is going to get tipped or picked or not.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I lose the depth every single time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I only care about height, Like I don't care if
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: it's in the middle or if it's in the corner,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: but it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Needs to be hot.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: So like that's why I disagree with some people that
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: like the fifty yard line, like like Nashville like Tennessee
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: is like fifty yard low because it's too low. So
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: now I'm like, it's you know, you can't see like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: all the players, you know, and how the play is developing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I much like the metal Lands. Yeah, I love the
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: metal Lands. That's a little high.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I love the Metal Lands. I like our press box.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I think, I think Jillette. It's perfect. It's up top high.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: It's perfect to me because I have you guys next
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: New Orleans was great.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Who is that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Like? I can't And it's the.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Best, the best ones. Allegiant Vegas, Vegas fifty yard line high, high, high,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: up top. I got the bird's eye view. You're right
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: in the middle. Chef's kiss perfect. All right, there's your
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: press box. Good press box talked by Okay, I'm very spoiled.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I get to go to all these games.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So so things are looking good for the Patriots, except
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: for those injuries that we started to help is.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: A concern, you know, and Morgan Moses obviously battling through something.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that they had designs on him going
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: back in that game. If if Mumford didn't end up
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: getting banged up. Ultimately they both finished the game those
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: two guys are going to be worth monitoring. The depth
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: is getting tested.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: We don't know if Boody's gonna be back in, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the road is clearing for Chisholm to make his playoff run.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: They got to get him in and get get him in.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Talk about you know we have we talked about May
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and Gonzales getting their Pro Bowl nominations.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: What about the snub for Booty? You guys all right
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: with that? Fred?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: He's being Booty Fred.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna say, what about what about.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: The snub for Marcus Jones?
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I mean Brabel talked about that too.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: So I don't understand. They had a kick returner but
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: not a punt returner on this So.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I've been told it's a returner, they call it kick returner.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: But Mary Dka with the Titans, he returns punts and kickoffs.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: So he had Marcus Jones's punt production plus production as
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: a kickoff returner, so he.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Got to pick a returner.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have any problem with that if if
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: DK had better, But I don't understand why they wouldn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: have both positions.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: They just have one return.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Two different things.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Now in that case, the same guy does it, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: not not everybody has it like that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's just.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones should be the punt returner.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Come on, that's just the way.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: That's just poor to me the way it is.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, poor to me. You don't like that?
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like what my crushes get snub.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, what else.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Garrett Bradberry is the good guy of the year for
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: anyone who cares.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's great.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Good guy.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So the media loves him, they do.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: He's easy to like.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: He's uh but like.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that that we'll talk to
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you one on one and have conversations with you at
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: his locker a lot. He kind of just sits there
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and holds court.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Often.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: You're not a big like you know, obviously don't bring
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: this center other than like David Andrews at the end
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: to like podiums and stuff like that very often, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: he's there, like what am I doing up here? Yeah?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: He kind of always like is it you know, willing
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to talk. He gives thoughtful answers, you know that that
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: sort of thing. So he's really.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Held down that center position all he played well.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's played played well. I think he's succeeded a certainly.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: My exp question. Quick example, we have an employee here
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: who unfortunately his son suffered an injury playing high school sports,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and brad Berry was full on asking him all about it,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: getting all the details you know you can. It's as
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you could see, like.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: A really first year player obviously doesn't know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, okay, I'm trying to think if there's anything
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: else about the game itself.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: And we didn't talk about Diggs.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well Diggs had a great game.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Diggs is just going off, was going off. Yeah, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: mean he was. He was tremendous.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I like the way he was, you know, snatching the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: ball and then the yards after catch. Yeah, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, why doesn't look that way every week?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: You know, just thirty two years old coming out? Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I think that he gets up for these primetime games.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Baltimore's his hometown, so it was a it was a
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: homecoming for him as well playoff games to hopefully but yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: he uh, I mean this was a clinic like mans
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: zone inside outside, but just it didn't matter. I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: he beating Marlon Humphrey like a drum across the field,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a couple of times they.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Were beating him a lot.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he might be washed forty four.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Are they going after him?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I mean some of the like conversions and his feel
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: for zone coverage is just unbelievable. You know, the way
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that he just knows where to settle and where to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: find those openings. You know, the fourth down play, the
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: game winning drive was inches from being intercepted or broken
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: up and he turns it into a twenty one yard
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: game was he was an animal. I mean, he was
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: unbelievable in this game. And I think the positive is
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: is like you can see, all right, he's when he's
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: got it, like he can go back and get it right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Like he might not be like this every single week
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: at this stage of his career, but when it's the
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: stakes are high and it's a big game and he's
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: feeling it, like he can go out there and be
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the best player on the field and then maybe the quarterback.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: So it was this was vintage Stefan Diggs, like he
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: was putting on a clinic.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yep. Good stuff. And I guess he got a little
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: bit of money. He's got bonuses in his contract for
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: going over seventy eighty and ninety catches. Okay, so he
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: got a half a million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: He's on pace for nine hundred and eighty five yards
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: on the season right now. So I don't know if
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: he's gonna you know, how much these not two games
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: are gonna mean in terms of his participation in them.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know he's getting right now, you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: eight sixty and.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Drake could very likely get over four thousand, assuming that
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: he plays both games fully.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, eight sixty nine. Yeah, he's up.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: To to get it. I bet he gets it a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: thousand yards. I think it's important to him.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, yeah, And I'm coming off the ACL I mean.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's to me, that's big.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I mean we were thinking of well, I don't want
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to give away some content idea until.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: We do it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't do it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: One more thing.
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: Ben Brown signing a contact extension on did you say
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: that Drake May you know, should get two thousand. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: mean disaster struck if he doesn't get four thirty six
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: thirty forty seven.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: I was thinking to myself, I thought he already had four.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Thousand, But then I was reading something today that he
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: had like thirty six something before the game.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had three eighty in the game.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it was something old I was reading. Yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: so he'll he'll get over four thousand.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: In the first quarter. Probably he'll get over throw.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: He is uh. He now leads the league in total QBR,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: he's second in e paper drop back and just reading
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: some of the people that do have MVP votes, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people after the Bills game were like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: he's not now, he's not going to win MVP. You know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: he's kind of out of it, you know, so to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: speak with Stafford and Allen's push, but not so fast,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: my friend. I mean, I I think he's right there. Yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I think he's right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So we should talk about it because I'm a little
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: bit annoyed. First of all, I'm very annoyed at my
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: bloggers early game. I don't remember being so disappointed in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Patriots Fall. That's worse. I mean, yeah, things weren't going good,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't like like I I'm all for criticism,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: like oh so and so is having a bad game,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: or they're doing this, they're playing too much. That's fine,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but this is what I'm hearing. This team is trash.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I hate this team. We suck again. No, that's all
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it was. It was just like, then what are you
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: watching for?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Leave?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It was really disappointing. And then once they started coming back,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it was silence. You know, so like where were you then?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You know, It's just that was disappointing. The other thing
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that this is more kind of annoying was this whole
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: thing about Drake. He needed this game. So were you
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: telling me that if he came up a little short
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: in this game, that's it? He's not the guy. I mean, like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, we put too much emphasis on what
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: just happened until instead of like really looking at it
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: holistically and saying, no, this kid's going to be good.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: He's not completely baked yet. He's still you know, need
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to keep him in the oven a little bit longer
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: as most people are in the NFL. It takes your time.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like I have no doubt that he's going
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: to be really good. You know, this game is another check,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you know, box check, but that the comeback was going
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to come eventually. Yeah, you know, so like all these
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: people like, okay, now we can put that one away. Well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: what if he never has another comeback? And it's like
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it's so stupid.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's just it's fun watching him get
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: experience and good and bad and that's all going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: help him in the long run. And we're in this
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: for the long run. The other NFL FRAN thirty one teams,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: how many of those teams would want Drake.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Me right now? You know, probably thirty of them, right.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: But but like people around here, we are so spoiled. Well,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that's like we've seen excellence at its highest level and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: our expectation is there and it's just so unrealistic. Meanwhile,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: we've got this kid who you know, he's lights out.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: He's he's amazing, he's got all the tools. He makes
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: mistakes and then he corrects them, you know, so you
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: can see that he's coachable, he's everything you want in
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. And until he has that game, we can't
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: trust him. It's like, oh god, come on.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: The only comparison that I can think of watching him
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: throw the deep ball is like watching Steph Curry shoot threes, right, like.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Just like launching a movie.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Like Steph Curry like hit a thirty footer off the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: dribble and you're just like that, is that a human
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: being doing that, just threw it to the moon and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: somehow right where. Yeah, and that's that's watching him throw
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: deep Like watching him throw the ball down the field
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: is like so aesthetically pleasing, but it's also so damn good.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Like it's unbelievable, not.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of effort. It's just like he's got the.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Arm and you're almost like, as the ball is in
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the air going to Kyle Williams, I'm like, I didn't
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: put my hands up, but I was already like touchdown,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: but you're just like, you know, it's just going to
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: be right on his hands. Like it's just uncanny how
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: good he throws the ball down the field, And like
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the numbers back that up. And he's four for five
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: in this game, and the only incompletion was the booty play,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: which should have been past interference, so you know, it
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: really wasn't a true incompletion and he just you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: like I said earlier, the amount of high level plus
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: plays whatever you want to call it, that he made
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: in this game was just every single time I felt
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like I was writing, well, they had a jail break
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: on the left side, he steps up in the pocket,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you know, finds digs over the middle. Another you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Blitzer comes in, you know bludes it throws the ball
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: down the field. You know, Kyle Williams touchdown, just over
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: and over again, just making just unbelievable play after unbelievable plays.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So special, and like I remember watching it happen, even
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you know, going back to last year's training camp and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to see him consistently do it, that's what's amazing to me.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Because he hit like he'd hit them early on. You
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: didn't know him as a player, even his first touchdown
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: of booty last year against the Texans, where all of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're just like, my god, Like he has
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: uncanny accuracy down Like this is different. This isn't just
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the guy who oh there's a guy running free down
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and he hit him right, Like. This is a guy
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: who's dropping a pin in a bucket from fifty yards
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: out and putting it right where his guy can get it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Williams is like, how do you defend that?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Right? It's just it's it's been one of the coolest
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: things and let's not you know, let's skip props to
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams for the catch. It was over the shoulder,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you know, like didn't let up, you know, kept his pace.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: You know, so often you see guys like stutter or
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: stop and you know he screws up the timing, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: he just you know, he was full out catching it
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and you know on the move it was just you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and throw great catch.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And I know it hasn't been perfect when we can
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: point out some of the worts in Kyle Williams game still,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but like to have him start to make some plays
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: here at the end of the season, like this is
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: what you need with rookies, like you show some patience
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: early on. I know early in this season, where's Kyle Williams.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Whre's Kyle Williams very you know, not doing very much,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: but just even these little glimpses here right now, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it also to me is just proof positive of it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter Drake's thrown to whether it's Booty getting
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: down the field or Kyle Williams or the guy that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you bring next year or whatever it might be. It's
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Drake may putting the ball right where the receiver can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: get it. And that to me is just super exciting.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And now we have a little something next year. All right,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: what's Kyle Williams, like in year two, can we get
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: him polished up a little bit and can he become
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: even more of a signal contribute.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: It's a really encouraging Like the whole rookie class has
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: been pretty good across the board, but like you have
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Henderson with the second half push, you have Kyle Williams
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: starting to make plays. You know, Craig Woodson's played like
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: every snap on defense. I don't know if he's an
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: impact safety, but he's a starter and he's a guy
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: that can play a lot of playing time for you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't Jared Wilson's best game. Maybe it
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: was because he was concussed the entire time. I wish
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I had that context before I wrote about it yesterday.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: That's funny, that's funny.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: It was like he didn't know what.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Was going on.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, probably make an edit, maybe not that one,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, like you obviously you know when
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: when Campbell comes back like that, that's like four or
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: five guys that they drafted last year. And you know,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: if you want to Paul, don't roll your the kicker.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: You know, he's been near perfect.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: That's what that's what the kickers do. Yeah, I mean
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: we're just thought about.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: But Campbell, Henderson, Wilson, Williams, Woodson, the kicker. I mean
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that's four or five contributors at least from one draft class.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: YEP.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I found myself like, this is a question I've think
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I've talked to some of the reporters about. I just like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like Woodson, it's great, he's playing. Is he good?
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Is he like?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Are we like?
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: This is usually a rookie comes in and he starts
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: every game at safety for you, and you feel like, wow,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: we found a gem and like and I like him.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But I just am finding myself wondering, you know, is
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this within this scheme? I would think there should be
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: more plays to be made. He hasn't really made a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: lot of plays on the ball. He's made some great tackles,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: he's made some good you know. Do you think they knew.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: That when they got rid of Douglar and Phillips? Yeah?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean well I think I think they knew
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they wanted to play too high slight.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Pepper, I'm sorry.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I know it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I knew you were talking.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Why am I thinking Phillips, Adrian Phillips maybe, But anyway,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: do you think when they got rid of the two
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: safeties veterans that they knew we got guys that it's
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: not going to be that it's going to be a
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: softer landing than you think.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Well, Woodson was already taking reps with the first team
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: at that point of the summer. Anyways, Like, I think
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: they had already made that transition right around Minnesota, right
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: around the joint practices with the Vikings. They they I
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: feel like they already decided that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They were going to roll the slot a lot, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on here?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: The concerted effort that they had throughout the offseason to
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: move on for as many people as they could.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but you don't do that if I
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: think you're not going to be able to you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they make up, you know, make up.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: They were going to replace the guys they wanted. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: don't think that mattered as much to them as moving
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: on and having their guys, their voices being heard. I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: think that was really important to Mike, and I think
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that's the way it's played out.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I think Dougars played well for Pittsburgh. He's Betty solid.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think it really has anything to do with
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: we think Woodson's this or that. I think Woodson's their
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: guy and they wanted to move on.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Well, why not get rid of those guys earlier than
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Doug because they could have made it into camp because
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: they couldn't. The other guys they could just indiscriminately cut
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: with no penalty. They needed to try to do something
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with Douger's contract and they ultimately were able to deal
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: with when they did. And I don't think, please don't
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: misunderstand this is this was a bad move. I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the off season was a home run. They identified the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: need like and also, don't take it the other way either, like,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: oh Paul's now trashing guys like David Andrews.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I think it was important for Mike Vrabel to do
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: it to sort of forge his own path. I don't
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: want as many and it's I don't want those guys around.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I don't want the old regime around. And it wasn't
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: because those guys were bad influences, but there was guys
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: that were. You know, Jonathan Jones was a good player
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots. I think he thought it would be
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: better to move on Dietrich Wise, David Andrews, Jawan Bentley.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I think he thought there was value in moving on
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: from guys that were here before, because he knows he's
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: going to be dealing with a lot of young guys
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: that Evan just talked about the draft class that need
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: my voice, not.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Maybe someone else's voice who might say.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Well, that's weird that Mike's doing it this way. Bill
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: used to do it this way, you know. And again,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: not because those guys are bad influences. But I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: that there's a reason why they moved on from as
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: many veterans as they did, and I think he wanted
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: his message to be the only message.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that because we talked about it
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: last year. Of what point does this is how we
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: did it back when the page when I was with
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, Like well, like that doesn't resonate anymore. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I totally get the point of, you know, wanting to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: have his voice be the primary voice. I just say,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: with the safety position, it does seem dramatically different to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: me from what they used to want to do, which
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was have a high free safety and have a safety
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: in the box who basically played linebacker, And now they
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: want two free safeties who can go down and back
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and down and back and do whatever they want. And
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I think that that example in Minnesota to me was
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: like to your point, Paul, looking for some them for peppers, Like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you know, is this guy gonna be able to cover
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in the slot? You know, it's just like, whoa, this
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: is not what this guy does having to chase you know.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: One of the movies, and you know you cannot criticize it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: It's worked.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: No, I think that the biggest, one of the biggest
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the record. That's obvious. And I
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: think you can make an arm about the locker room. Yeah, yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: talking about the locks.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: You ever seen a team and you know, maybe it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: all fluff, but that more has been made about the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: bond that seems to have been you know, built on
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: this team and the family and all this stuff like well,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: like we've seen, you know, teams that have had good
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: locker rooms before, but this one, Yeah, it's something.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's a big part of their success. Is
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: it overshadows. I think it makes up for some of
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: the things that they may be lacking. So in other words,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you can make an argument right now that they they
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: since Milton Williams got hurt. They really struggled stopping the run.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I know they were leaking a little bit before then,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: but the games, the four games that Milton Williams was out,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: they couldn't stop the run.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Do you think they could use Keon White?
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not talking about a difference maker. I don't
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: think that they could use ke On White because I
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: think he was a problem and I don't think that
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: they wanted a.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Guy who was going to be wondering about is.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: That the right message to be sending, because clearly in
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: his two years in New England he had no problems
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: questioning the message, questioning the coaching. He might be a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: better player than Corey. He is a better player than
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Corey Durden.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: He's a different kind of player, but he's not going
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: to help me.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Corey Durden is because Corey Durden is.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: On board and he's my guy, and he is playing
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: for me on Joshua Farmer And you know, Eric Gregory
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: White's probably a better player than all of those guys,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: but he's not a better player for the Patriots because
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: he's not all on board.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What he gains from the intangibles of not having him
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: is more valuable to him than having him.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely being stop the run in.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: The point, he's a better player than the guys that
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: aren't stopping the run right now, I mean a better
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: player than.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: He's a better player. I mean he has a different
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: skill set.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree, it's not apples to apples, just
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: like Corey, Kyle Dugger has a different skill set than
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Craig Woodson.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: It's not apples to apples.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: But those guys can still play, but they're just not
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: great fits.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, going you know, there's obviously the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: contract angle, but like going into training camp, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Craig Woodson's a rookie, like so, until you start to
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: see it in practice and see him practicing in competitive settings.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: To pull the plug on Kyle Dugger and say we're
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: going to start this fourth round pick without seeing him
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: in any competitive practices or seeing him in joint practice
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: or anything, is like that, that's putting yourself at risk.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Once they had saw Craig Woodson play for three four
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: weeks in training camp and saw that he could handle it,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: then you know, now you feel a lot more comfortable
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: moving on from Peppers and Duggers, So I think that
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that contributes it as well.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's all part of it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: To Duce's question about Woodson, like, I don't think he's
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: an impact safety. I don't think he's going to be
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: a playmaking safety.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Get there.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I mean the bigger question is just like is this
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a guy that is there and we're building around him
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he's a rookie he's played every time, or is he
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a guy that he's there right now but we're going
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to continue to throw players. I mean, Hawkins is a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: free agent, so they already got one decision to make
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it one of the safety spots. But you know, I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: just it's one of those weird things where rookie comes
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: in plays every snap on defense and you still feel
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: kind of like, no, that's nice, but like is he
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: a playmaker? Is he is he at above replacement level
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: type player? I'm still I'm still he is.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Still just a rookie, so he could, so he could.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: That's why it reminds me so much of the Rutgers
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: boys like Carmon Logan Ryan that like are those guys sacklers?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Like are they great players? Like are they number one
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: corners or number one safety, No, but like they are
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: serviceable NFL starters that can play a role and play
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: a position, and you're not You're not going to be
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: taken on water because they're out there. You know, Harmon
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: had all those you know, perceptions on arm punts late
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: in games and things like that. No respect to disrespect,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: but you know, at the same like that kind of player.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I think Woodson's maybe a little bit more physical Thandron
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Harmon was, But there are similar types of players where
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's just going to be mentally physically sound,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you know, his technique, his assignments, you know, all that
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff, you know, but he's not necessarily going to,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: you know, be a big time player, right for you.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: A couple of emails and calls, We'll get to those
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in a second. Justin Wrights in. Patriots Nation is the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: greatest fan base in the league, but it can also
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: be the worst. When things were looking rough in the
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Ravens game, across social media, I was seeing comments such
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: as were one and done twenty twenty one all over
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: again where frauds I was too. It was ridiculous. Calm down.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You got so used to the last few years that
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you lose confidence the second the team faulters just relax.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, look at NFL all these other games.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Good teams have to overcome things at times. I mean,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that's what happens.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I brought up to Paul recently. Do you think that
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: there's any impact that social media kind of came about
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: while the Patriots were in their dynasty heyday and so
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like Patriot fans on top of the world
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is like kind of an institution since the start of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: social media, and it just feels like that's where the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: collective fan base feels like they're rightful place is in
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the structure of it all, like oh, we're back, Like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: now we're on social media. Now we can go trash
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: talk everybody again. You know, we can do all those things.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Did they stop trash talking? No, I'm probably not.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones. Eight five to five pats
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: five hundred herms in DC, what's up? Herm herm DC
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: ploffs Hey, hell yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: Don't let some fool in, I mean, get you all up,
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: you know, they just you know, that's that's what they're
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: trying to do. Rather get you all robbed up and
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: get you, you know, trink out your position, but we
• 47:03
  Speaker 11: back and we ain't going anywhere.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: So just yeah, I mean, I'm off for the criticism.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: And at one point there was like a legitimate I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: think it was a play call and I let people
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: go and people had both sides, and I brought those
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: comments in, but I'm not gonna post you if you
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: just like we're frauds, you know, like go away, go away.
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, and I hear you. Two quick comments and
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: the question. So first comment, Obviously I was at the game,
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: and obviously I'm watching Biggs, and I just couldn't help
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: to think about it could have been maybe you know, Brett.
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: And I or uh, you know, Calvin Ridley.
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: And somebody else in that ager, and I just I
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: don't know. I was a little sick of my stomach
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: thinking about that, because I think BIG's almost like a
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: god said bought Drake and specifically right obviously killed the
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: Ravens in a homecoming game. But besides that, I was
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: looking down towards the bench and I think we were
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: down with eleven and fourth quarter.
• 48:05
  Speaker 12: All I can see is Diggs signal into his teammates
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: like listen, chin up, we'll be fine, right, chin up,
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: will be fine.
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: And when I saw that, that kind of like helped
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: me relax and I knew that, okay, we at least
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: gonna come back and go to overtime. But I guess
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: what overpoint for that was. I mean, this is religious
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: a godsend for Drake May.
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: Then the game wing drift for Drake May, it was
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: just I mean it was like he was performing surgery, right,
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: it was just being bang boom nine plays.
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: So for a young guy to be.
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: Able to do that and that spot is is I mean,
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: it's not only impressive but obviously super encouraging going to.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: The playoffs.
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: But my question is, so Matthew Stafford right, his numbers.
• 48:53
  Speaker 12: Yes, currently he leased the MVP race, but wouldn't his
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: numbers more qualify for him being maybe like off the player.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Of the year could be both, but yeah, I.
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: Could be biased.
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: Oh, I could be biased, But obviously I think.
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: Jake mincheld be leading MVP race for the effect that
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: I mean, he's done more with less team. That's what
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: I'm saying is, yeah, they won twelve games for the
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: team that won eight games in two years. So I mean,
• 49:23
  Speaker 12: if he doesn't win it this year, then I don't know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: I just be a little dispoint in the voters because
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: I feel they're looking at the wrong thing, especially considering
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: Josh Allen won it last year, which I would have
• 49:35
  Speaker 12: ordered him about.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Well, Lamar had better numbers, but they figured Josh did
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: more with less and the same reasoning should come into
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: play this year. Could Yeah, yeah, all right, thanks her.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I think I think the MVP is going to be
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: really interesting because the voting list is interesting.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: But the voting list is.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: A lot of people that are, you know, on my
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: side of the isle in terms of how they approach
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: the job. You know, it's a lot of the men
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: A times is and those types of people that are
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: you know, into the analytics and into you know, film
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: watching and things like that. And right now, Matthew Stafford
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: has the traditional stats. He has more touchdown passes, he
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: has fewer interceptions, he has more passing yards. Drake has
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: him in completion percentage, but Stafford has a higher passer
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: rating than Drake.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: May if you watch the game, May plays if you
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: just watch you know the stats, but May no.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: If you watch the game, Evans.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Evan's right, no, but I mean watching the game, it's
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: going to be very similar to me as last year.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: If you watch the game, Lamar Jackson was the MVP
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: last year, but you gave Josh Allen more credit because
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: he was doing with less. They don't have Pookin Nakula,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: they don't even have DeVante Adams. They certainly don't have
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: a two man backfield with with the best running game,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and that an incredible offensives them, right, But that's what
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: it's going to come down to. And you know, QBR
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: takes what takes into consideration all the running that Drake
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: May has done.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna like, Drake May hasn't beaten
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: all the advanced analytics, So I'm interested to see, you know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: is it going to be the that's gonna be mean?
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Is it going to be the.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: People that prioritize things like passing touchdowns and yards and
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, or is it going to be
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: the QBR, the EPA per drop back and you know
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: that sort of crowd of it because those things, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: EPA and QBR take into account that Drake May is
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: going to run for over four hundred yards. Matthew Stafford
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: doesn't run, you know, so like these are all elements
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: of it that I think you know are.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: In Drake May's favor.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: So if you want to make the case for Drake May,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: you have to kind of do it with the analytics.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: And if you want to make the case for Matthew Stafford,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: you say, well, he's you know, got what is it?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's like thirty five touchdown passes now or
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: something like that, and in the forties, you know, or
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: forty Yeah, I think it's forty. I think it's like
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: forty to five. It's touchdown interception.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Great if they did it by who is most valuable
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: for the team.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: And I think you can make an argument either way
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: on that, because there ain't no way that Rams offense
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: is looking like that with somebody else plan.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: No, h doesn't look like that when Garoppolo plays.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, forty touchdowns, five interceptions.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: But I think that that a very good argument can
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: be made for Drake May. And this Evan just made
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: it a lot with numbers. I would just make it
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: with just this year talent that that he's dealing with.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's fair to say that it's a
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: team with he wins the previous few years that that
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: team's gone, they Mike Rabel and Elliott Wolf deserve all
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: the credit for completely overturning the roster. It's like a
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: fifty turnover. So I think it's going to be an interesting,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: interesting race. To me, it's been a two man race
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: all along. I you know, I think the world of
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen. I don't think that he's in this race.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's even close. These two guys have
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: separated themselves. I think you could go either way. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: don't think it's the wrong choice if they go with Stafford,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: he's been that good. But I can absolutely make a
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: case with Drake May.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Nate and Connecticut. What's up, Nate, I just had a.
• 53:15
  Speaker 13: Couple of thumps on these next finals games, we can
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: I think we should at least bench some of our starters.
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: I feel like we should uh have them healthy, uh
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: for the playoffs, considering all the injuries that we have,
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: and considering that during the game on Sunday night, I
• 53:41
  Speaker 13: saw Drake may come off the field with a bit
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: of a limp. Thankfully it wasn't anything too serious. But
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: I just want to keep in mind that, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 13: we don't want any more injuries than we already have
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: because they're piling up a lot, and I really think
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: that the full healthy team that we have a good
• 53:57
  Speaker 13: potential to make it really far into the playoff.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I hear what you're saying. You know, Patriots
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: are you know, playoff guaranteed. They still want to get
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the AFC East. But what's more important getting that you know,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: home playoff game at some point? Or you know the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Patriots are road warriors this year? Is that more important
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: than being healthy?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I think you could make the case that they could
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: probably beat the Jets and the Dolphins down a few guys,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: And if you want to take that route, then that
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: you could definitely make that case. You know if I
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: think it becomes more interesting if they clinch it this week,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: if the Eagles beat the Bills, and then Week eighteen
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: is pretty much meaningless against Quinn Yewers.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And the Dolphins. What what if Broncos lose this week?
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Well, they're playing the Chiefs and they're not going to lose.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: Big.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: But do you and I'm not talking about you can't
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: bench everybody, right, that's another common mis like you can't
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: some people have to play.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: You got a bunch of injuries too, Like you have
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: much of a choice.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: But like if you take out you know, if you
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: rest splain for the rest of the regular season, if
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you rest some of the guys that got banged up,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know on Sunday night for the rest of the season. Yeah,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: can you beat Brady Cooking Quinn yours with like seven
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: inactives that are all yes, injured.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: All relevant players. Yes, I agreeably. I agree with you
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: one thousand percent. I always answer this question the same way.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: It's a case by case basis. You tell me what
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: the player is. I'll tell you if I think that
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: there's a chance that you should, you should do it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: You know, will Campbell coming off IR, he can come
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: off IR for.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: The Miami game.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't do it. I'd probably wait. I'd play him,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: you know, just to make sure he's healthy for the playoffs.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Milton Williams this week if if this is if he
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: at all, and again I'm going I'm operating under the
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: it's a fifth you know, you can play, you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: like Mogan Moses clearly wasn't one hundred percent. I think
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: if they had the druthers, he would have sat the
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: rest of that game, but he had to.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Be out there.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I don't want to play Will Campbell and Milton Williams
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: under those circums is Robert Splaine. But if other guy,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: if a guy is healthy enough to play, then I
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: that I want to play them, you know, like.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: In this particular case we talked about locker room earlier.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: In this particular team, if you're Mike Rabel and you're
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: reading the room and Robert Splaine is wants to play,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and Milton Williams wants to play, do you have to
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: kind of play him? You know, that's the way everybody
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: wants to contribute. Stefan Diggs is sneaking out the back
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: of the blue tent because he wants to get that
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: in the medical.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: The only reason why I might err on the side
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: of playing Campbell's because I don't want Daniel Hunter and
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Will Anderson coming off the left side and he hasn't
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: taken a rep in five weeks like that, that's I think,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a rust factor there that there is
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: that I would be concerned about. So if he if
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: he's one hundred percent healthy to play against the Dolphins
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: in Week eighteen.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: It's a different argument. If he's one hundred percent healthy, Okay,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I want him to play.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: If he's as close to one hundred percent healthy as
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: he's going to be. But I'm talking about it. It's iffy,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: and you want to get him back just to get
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: him sup work. I would sit him, yeah, but if
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: it's if it's you know, yeah, sure, I would just
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: worry about him going into the playoffs cold. But he
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: hasn't taken a live game a month.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Definitely a fair play.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Riley's in Phoenix, Riley.
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: Are we doing fellows?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: Hey, So two quick things here. One, I hope that
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: this win has silenced some of the critics a little bit.
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: May not being able to come back in the fourth
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: quarter against one of the best defenses as of late
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: in the season.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Not that that was a huge for me, but I know.
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: That it was for a lot of people unsure you know,
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: he was capable of that, and I think he clearly
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: went out and showed that he is and the kind
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: of player that he's going to be for the future.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: And then the second thing here is just going to
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: beat the dead horse a little bit with that non
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: p I call. This is just getting absolutely out of hand.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: The last couple of seasons, the officiating has been absolutely
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: astrocious and it's honestly unfortunate for US fans because it
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: ruins the viewing experience and a lot of these games.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: It's just it's awful. You want to call the bs
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: P I on booty for barely flapping the guy's hands down,
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: But then you're not going to call the blatantly obvious
• 58:36
  Speaker 8: PI that my You know, a blind person could see.
• 58:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, come on, what are we doing?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: But anyways, I'll take it off the air aby all.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: It is guys, Thanks Riley. No, I hear what you're saying.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: That was ridiculous. That was he turned them, he tugged him,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: and then he tackled his leg No, he tackled his legs.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: That's the inaffairness and everything else. I was fine with
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: down the field, I was he literally tackled the player.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: How does someone not see that?
• 59:06
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• 59:09
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  Speaker 13: Milton Williams being eligible to kill off.
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  Speaker 7: I think he'll practice.
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  Speaker 16: I think we'll start his window, see how he responds
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  Speaker 16: through the week of practice, and uh, you know, go
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  Speaker 7: So that's really hard to do, is.
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  Speaker 16: To be engaged in meetings when you know you're not
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  Speaker 16: going to play and have some time and so appreciate
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  Speaker 16: what he's done here and and his leadership and his
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  Speaker 16: willingness to try to get back.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of what was just how was the team holding
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  Speaker 5: up some place.
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  Speaker 7: That's part of it.
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  Speaker 17: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I think that.
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  Speaker 16: We'll figure out where things are later in the week,
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  Speaker 16: and everybody's been getting treatment. We got back late, so
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  Speaker 16: today will be a good opportunity just to you know,
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  Speaker 16: see a little bit of you know activity. I'll walk
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  Speaker 16: through albeit, but get guys up moving around. A couple
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  Speaker 16: of guys in the protocol, and again that that's I
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  Speaker 16: would say that those are the guys that you're most
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  Speaker 16: conscious of from just a you know, mental well being
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  Speaker 16: and not not getting frustrated by how they feel. Tell
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  Speaker 16: everybody to do the same thing. Just be honest with
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  Speaker 16: how you're feeling. Talk to the doctors, talk to the trainer.
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  Speaker 16: You know, we do evaluation every day, we do a
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  Speaker 16: symptoms score. So I think those are the ones that
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  Speaker 16: you want to just try to focus on. The guys
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  Speaker 16: that have an ankle or whatever it might be that
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  Speaker 16: need it, you know, they're going to be okay. Sometimes
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  Speaker 16: it any of these things that relates to concussions can
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  Speaker 16: react differently and there's no pre described, pre described amount
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  Speaker 16: of time that they're going to be out. Uh well,
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  Speaker 16: Trayvion's in it, and Booty's in it, and Jared Wilson.
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  Speaker 18: Is in protocol does this time of year, Mike with
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  Speaker 18: succession spat as the team how badly you guys want
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  Speaker 18: to get the lineup, continue to do what they're doing
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  Speaker 18: the Morgan the sideline the other day, wheneverything you could
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  Speaker 18: possibly get back in there.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, it's it's all of these guys have ever known,
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  Speaker 16: you know, since the time that they started playing football,
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  Speaker 16: they wanted to be out there, and they go to
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  Speaker 16: college and they want to be out there, and then
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  Speaker 16: they go to the NFL and they want to be
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  Speaker 16: out there. That's you only get one opportunity a week.
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  Speaker 16: It means a lot to them. Love for guys to
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  Speaker 16: find ways in as opposed to looking for ways out.
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  Speaker 16: But then sometimes that's not always the case.
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  Speaker 7: They can't go in there.
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  Speaker 16: So we appreciate every everyone that you know, makes an
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  Speaker 16: effort to finish the game or get to the game
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  Speaker 16: and whatever that may be, and whatever capacity that they
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  Speaker 16: can help us.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that's just what they that's all they know.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 16: You up play I significant VOLUMEO snaps with your base personnel,
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  Speaker 16: like the last two weeks, all that's challenge your defense,
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  Speaker 16: like how do you seek.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, that friv play base defense.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I just think that's predicated on some of the
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  Speaker 16: things that they're doing offensively and the personnel groupings that
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  Speaker 16: they are in. And we'll have to, you know, continue
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  Speaker 16: to do that versus the Jets and stop the run
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  Speaker 16: and try to find ways to get off the field
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  Speaker 16: on third down.
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  Speaker 5: Like they just announced the Pro Bowl rosters. If you
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  Speaker 5: guys are twelve and three and only have two Pro Bowlers,
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  Speaker 5: just curious or reaction?
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  Speaker 3: Does that irk you at all?
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  Speaker 7: Or they got that? No, it does not at all?
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  Speaker 5: What I guess, what does that say about maybe the season?
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  Speaker 7: You guys are happy?
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  Speaker 16: Says that we're twelve and three and that we have
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  Speaker 16: two guys that the coaches and the fans and the
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  Speaker 16: players felt worthy enough to make the first ballot.
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  Speaker 7: We've got some alternates.
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  Speaker 16: I wouldn't imagine that that would be I'm sure guys
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  Speaker 16: are are disappointed. There's five, however, many five palm returners
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  Speaker 16: that had two touchdowns. I mean, that's I don't know
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  Speaker 16: how many years that's happened, But that and all right there.
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  Speaker 16: But you know, I think Marcus is at a healthy
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  Speaker 16: year and I think he's a pro barn. I'm glad
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  Speaker 16: he's our returner and glad he's helped us out. But
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  Speaker 16: sometimes that just doesn't happen. And we're focused on wins.
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  Speaker 16: We said that last week. The players they make fun
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  Speaker 16: of me, but you know, we're chasing wins and not plays,
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  Speaker 16: and if we make enough plays that are winning, that'll
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  Speaker 16: be enough.
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  Speaker 7: That'll that'll be all we need. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 7: don't really have much else to add on approval right
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  Speaker 7: now that you guys have pinched a playoff, what's your
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  Speaker 7: message for this week?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, there's well, just unfinished business. I can't focus on
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  Speaker 16: the next two weeks. We've got to focus on this
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  Speaker 16: week and going on the road to a great environment,
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  Speaker 16: going to New York City playing the Jets, and unfinished business.
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  Speaker 16: We want to be undefeated on the road. I think
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  Speaker 16: that that's that's something that's unique. I'm sure you guys
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  Speaker 16: will tell me how many times it's happened before, but
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  Speaker 16: there you go. So that's something that I think is special.
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  Speaker 16: Still still want to play for the division. We want
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  Speaker 16: to win the division. I haven't done in a long time.
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  Speaker 16: And whoever we put out there and whoever we you know,
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  Speaker 16: play with, is going to have to have that in
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  Speaker 16: mind and then be prepared to do that, you know,
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  Speaker 16: against the team that's you know, playing playing some young guys.
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  Speaker 16: They've got some good veterans. They're playing well on third down. Defensively,
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  Speaker 16: I think they have a really really good offensive line.
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  Speaker 16: I think they they move people. I like the way
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  Speaker 16: they play. I like their play demeanor. Two really good, young,
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  Speaker 16: talented tackles. You know, guards try to finish you. And
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  Speaker 16: so again they got speed Breis Hall. You know, it
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  Speaker 16: can make you miss. Mitchell's getting more comfortable in the
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  Speaker 16: offense and all that. So you know, we just there's
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  Speaker 16: some unfinished business and we're not The season isn't over.
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  Speaker 16: This wasn't our goal, and I'm excited that we won.
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  Speaker 16: But we've we've moved on.
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  Speaker 2: What's allowed?
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  Speaker 7: What have you observed? It allowed?
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  Speaker 5: Alum flourish a receivers dirty against Mocker, that's the last.
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  Speaker 7: Es and he works hard. I think he's got a
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  Speaker 7: good catch radius. I think I think he's improved. I
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  Speaker 7: think that to his credit.
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  Speaker 16: I think Todd has done a nice job with his
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  Speaker 16: skill set and you know, trying to play big and
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  Speaker 16: play through contact.
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  Speaker 7: And I think he's fearless.
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  Speaker 16: I think some of his best catches are you know
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  Speaker 16: some of those in cuts where I mean he's extending
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  Speaker 16: his body and he's he's trusting you know that Drake's
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  Speaker 16: looked out in front of him and puts it up
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  Speaker 16: there where nobody else can get it. And yeah, that
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  Speaker 16: can't be an easy, you know task to go in
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  Speaker 16: there and you know, go up nine or ten feet
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  Speaker 16: and catch an in cut and hope that you're not
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  Speaker 16: going to get nailed on the other side of it.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Mike from completely disinterested up to highly interested.
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  Speaker 4: What's your level when it comes to watching the results
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  Speaker 4: around the league and that you're in the playoffs round
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  Speaker 4: and figure out where you're seating.
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  Speaker 16: Whatever else would be I would say somewhat slightly disinterested,
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  Speaker 16: I would have thought a route. I just think Ben
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  Speaker 16: applies everything that we want in building this program, and
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  Speaker 16: you know, cares deeply about the team, plays multiple positions,
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  Speaker 16: is a great teammate, plays with effort and finish, and
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  Speaker 16: you know, tries to work and can prove and you
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  Speaker 16: know it's find a role for him self here and
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  Speaker 16: well excited to have him.
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  Speaker 2: It might reasons Elijah Pond who developed invalidated your faith
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  Speaker 2: from under roster out.
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  Speaker 7: Of camp mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 16: Just comfort, you know, it's it's got all the talent
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  Speaker 16: in the world, and just understanding this league, understanding the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 16: the urgency of it and how quickly things happen, and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 16: special teams and transition into third down and helping us
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 16: or being a role player off first and second down, and.
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  Speaker 7: You know, trying for me not to take those things
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  Speaker 7: for granted.
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  Speaker 16: That a young player that played at a smaller school
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  Speaker 16: in California could come.
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  Speaker 7: Across the country. And so I think that that's just
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  Speaker 7: credit to him.
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  Speaker 16: And credit to Jeremy and and Smitty, you know, for
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 16: continuing to help him improve and then ultimately himself, you know,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 16: going out there and getting cover comfortable, dropped him in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 16: some coverage. Sometimes we've rushed him. He plays on special teams.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 16: There's a lot of things that he's done for us.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, I'm curious the gig punt return.
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  Speaker 5: When you watch that battle, can you just explain a
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  Speaker 5: little bit.
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  Speaker 16: About it, not the fake punt return. I wish we
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 16: were returning it there, you know, something that we had practiced,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 16: something that I felt confident in. It wouldn't have called
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  Speaker 16: it if if we didn't feel confident in it. Unfortunately
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 16: it didn't work. So it was a bad call by me,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 16: and uh, you know, just told Tay to to throw it,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 16: you know what I mean, give it a chance, Give
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 16: give jack a chance. If the guy dropped out of there,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 16: he dropped out of there, but try to give it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 16: a chance. It certainly wasn't designed to you know, to run,
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  Speaker 16: and he just felt like it wasn't there and he
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 16: made a decision. So I made a decision to try
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  Speaker 16: to play. I'll make other calls and be good ones
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 16: and they'll be you know, bad ones as well. So
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 16: just felt like we needed something there and it didn't
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  Speaker 16: go our way. Credit to the guys kept playing and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 16: found a way to win the game.
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  Speaker 5: So, uh, when you.
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  Speaker 17: Preferring like a week for the appointment starting quarterback and
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  Speaker 17: then during the game like the backup has to take
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 17: them over, right, how did you quickly how do you
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 17: quickly like recolguate your defense.
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  Speaker 16: Well, most of the time it's the same scheme and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 16: they're replacing you know, Lamar Jackson with Huntley. You know,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 16: so really some of those things did it really changed,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 16: didn't didn't have to change. They were kind of staying
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 16: and doing things that they had normally done. So if
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 16: it was a drastic change, there would be things that
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  Speaker 16: we would have to do on the fly. But you know,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 16: most of our attention on the fly was about getting
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  Speaker 16: other guys in other positions and getting Anthony Jennings there,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 16: getting you know, you know, Kyle Williams and Mac to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 16: play three different positions.
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  Speaker 7: I appreciate them.
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  Speaker 16: I'm going to tell them that here in a few
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 16: minutes of the team meeting, and that's that's not easy
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  Speaker 16: to do. I mean, when you have three receiver that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 16: plays three different positions and you hear the formations and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 16: you hear the personnel groups, uh that that's a tall order.
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  Speaker 16: And so credit to Kyle for being a young player.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 16: Credit Mac uh for doing that throughout the game. You know,
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  Speaker 16: when guys went down, no different than they are going
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  Speaker 16: in there, no different than Anthony, and I appreciate that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 16: And Ben Brown goes in at the jumbo tight end
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  Speaker 16: when Thayer goes to tackle, and things happened so quickly
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  Speaker 16: that Kyle didn't even realize that Thayer was no longer
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  Speaker 16: the tight end. He thought he had become the tackle.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 16: So Kyle backs up off the ball and he's like,
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  Speaker 16: when did this happen. We're like the last play and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 16: it's like, this is not your fault, Kyle, this is
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 16: my faull for somehow understanding that Ben Now went in
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  Speaker 16: and reported and Thayer was not reporting that he was
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  Speaker 16: the tackle.
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  Speaker 7: So that's how quickly the things happen.
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  Speaker 16: And uh, you know, give give all the credit to
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  Speaker 16: the players and the assistant coaches for for having them
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  Speaker 16: ready and being able to help us win.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks guys, thankfully, and now great moments in history.
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  Speaker 19: Andrew used to go to the same gym as Andy
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  Speaker 19: Hart right on run over here, so we'd see him
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  Speaker 19: every morning before work. So he said, one day at
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  Speaker 19: the gym, there's this guy and there was a boxing
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  Speaker 19: one of those big boxing bags and the guy was
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  Speaker 19: like hitting it really hard and grutting and whatever and
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  Speaker 19: like making a big scene. And he was like six
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  Speaker 19: point thirty in the morning, like what is this guy doing?
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  Speaker 19: So he was about to go to Andy and be
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  Speaker 19: like check out this guy. And then all of a sudden, Andy,
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  Speaker 19: as soon as the guy was done, Andy went over
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  Speaker 19: and he started doing the same bag to the bag
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  Speaker 19: and Andrew. Andrew was like, he was like, I was
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  Speaker 19: literally like seconds away from being a Hey, check.
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  Speaker 1: Out this guy.
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  Speaker 2: So that's part of Andy's routine that he never really
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  Speaker 2: told us about the heavy bag. We didn't know that
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  Speaker 2: that was something he uses, the heavy bag.
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  Speaker 1: And Andrew was about to make fun of the other guy.
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  Speaker 2: So he must have to stand really close with those
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: short eyes. Yeah, that's another great moment from all right
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  Speaker 2: back here and Patriots unfiltered. Paula's left us. He's cheating
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  Speaker 2: on us. He's going over to one of his shows
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  Speaker 2: to uh to you know, do three hours over there.
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  Speaker 1: It's on the flag of his shows.
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  Speaker 2: This is the he's doing the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Wow, final bosses of his shows.
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  Speaker 2: That is something. Well he's gone, but we're still here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and spiing Fresno's here eight five to five past
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, he said. Paul got real riled up late
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: in the postgame show. I share Paul's disagreement with those
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: who think it's all gravy from here no matter how
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the season plays out. That's total meou thinking and takes
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: the opportunity at hand. For granted, if your team makes
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, you should expect them to play like a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: playoff team. But we shouldn't reset expectations and move goldposts
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: to a degree that overshadows reality. There is no way
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: any reasonable person will be looking back on this Patriots
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: season is unsuccessful. It may have a disappointing ending, but
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: enough foundational expectations have already been met or exceeded for
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the season to register as a success. The gravy train
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: riders are taking this playoff opportunity for granted, but the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: goldpost movers are taking for granted what's already happened to
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  Speaker 2: make the opportunity possible.
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  Speaker 3: It was waxing poetic there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very good speed.
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  Speaker 3: I think the only thing that could change my mind
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: as if Buffalo twenty twenty one happens again and they
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: get destroyed in the first you know, their first playoff game.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: But besides that, you know that that did the way
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: that season ended. You know they're going down the stretch,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: you know, one and three I think it was, which
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: is and then getting beat by like forty by Buffalo.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: That did change your perception of that team. And that
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: should have been the same argument, right like you drafted
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: a quarterback in the first round, you made the playoffs,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: you won ten games. It's the same sort of thing.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: But you knew that that team was potentially that might
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: have been the team was really the you know, the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: team that played in Buffalo that night and not what
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: we saw cleaning up against a Titans team that had
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: thirty guys out with COVID and you know, stuff like that.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of why this Ravens game meant so much to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: me because if that was, you know, losing to Buffalo
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: and then it seemed like, all right, well, if you'd
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: beat Miami and the Jets always really gonna care, but
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: like to win in that fashion. And now I think
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Evan's totally right, you don't want to go out like that.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: They have big difference too, is though Drake Mays and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the MVP conversation too. So I think even at the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: height of the twenty one season, which was you know, comparison,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to make to the locker rooms because
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: this is a great locker room. But even the twenty
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen team with Brady here, like everybody seemed miserable and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: stressed and it was like tension. This seems loose. But
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: when the twenty one team was on their win streak,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I think it was it was pretty good too. It's
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: just it's hard to take out. Why is everybody happy
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: because they're winning or because they all really like each
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: other and it's hard to really you know.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: No, Yep, Travis and West Virginia, says Fred. I think
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: you should cancel tomorrow's show and give everyone the afternoon off.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Everyone could submit their picks electronically. Well, we do, Christmas Eve,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: we do?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: We got What about New Year's Day asking for a friend?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, we'll see, we'll see. Also, let Evan know that
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Baltimore is not diggs hometown. The part of Maryland he's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: from is associated more with Washington, d c In not
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: so much Baltimore.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, he told us after the game that he
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: this is a homecoming for him.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go by what he said.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the man himself. Okay, Yeah, he's from like
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: some small town outside of in Maryland somewhere. He went
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: to the University of Maryland.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: So uh, let's go back to the phones. Manny's in
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: New Bedford. Hey, Manny, what's going on?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: Guys?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 20: Two things one not I still I still don't understand
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 20: how Marcus Jones didn't make the Pro Bowl. But again
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 20: that that's that's another story.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: But I wanted to.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 20: This question is mainly for Evan because I know he
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 20: really just breaks down the game that like and we
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 20: elite level.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 20: I'm starting to really get concern about this Gonzo situation.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 20: I feel like you're playing him a lot in the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 20: zone coverage and he's playing like off off man. I'm
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 20: just curious, like, why is that. You know, he's been
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 20: struggling there every play he looks like he's getting burnt.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 20: They Fly was completely cooked him like majority of the game,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 20: and this is like I would say, he's like a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 20: second third game. Do you feel like he's getting frustrated
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 20: the way they're playing him? Do you think that that's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 20: gonna be a conversation when they go extend him, maybe
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 20: he goes elsewhere to a better system where they play
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 20: him in man, more curious to what you think about
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 20: that event. I'll take the stop of their Thanks guys.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's it's something that I've written about a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: couple of times now to a couple of weeks in
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: a row. It's just you know what it looks like.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: And I know he's just named to the Pro Bowl
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: today and we're talking about how he's not, you know,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: playing as well, but you know what it looks like
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: when he's playing well, because last year he was just
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: excellent for the entire years, you know, all pro player.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's scheme related. I don't know
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: if it's the hamstring. You know, I've made this comparison before,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: but you know, as a hockey guy, like reminds me
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: so much of Jeremy's wa last year, who sat out
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: all of training camp and then came back for the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: season and he just couldn't get the train rolling. You know,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: he just was not had a horrible year, and you know,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: I think that that's could be possible as well. Like
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: he did no training camp, went right into it, you know,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: sat at the beginning of the season and it just
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: was one of those years where it just wasn't you know,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: able to get up to standard completely in this game.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: And look, I I'm not one of those people that
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: thinks the corners need to be linebackers, but in this
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: game that the Ravens ran at him all night and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: they made him tackle, they made him take on blocks,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: and he didn't do it very well. Just being honest, Like,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: you know, the Derrick Henry explosive runs were mostly off
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: tackle to Gonzo's side, you know, the first touchdown, he's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: the last line of defense. He's the only guy that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: can make a play get steamrolled by the guard and
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't make a play. You know, again, I'm not expecting
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: him to be you know, Dante high tower in the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: hole and take on a guard. But at that point,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: you you got to hold him up. You got to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: do something to try to get you know, hats to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: the football.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: It might just be a scheme thing, like maybe they're
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: just the way that they use corners in this system,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: is is not a great fit for him. I don't know,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: but it's hard for me to imagine that a player
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: of his caliber that you can't find a way to
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: make him play well. Like that That tells usually that's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: like players over scheme and like you've you have a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: guy that's that good, like figure it out right, you know,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: maybe you need to.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Beat down by eleven in the fourth and then he
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: switches it on. But he certainly he turned it on
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: last game. Let's see if we can continue that.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: I just think, like I get what he's saying, and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: you know, the eighteen yard or like it was a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: broken play and it was a scrambled drill.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that one.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: I don't really h you know, hold against him too
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: much because you're covering for five six seconds, Like you're
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: not going to be able to do that. But the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: third down one in the slot, like he just sits
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: inside of him and Flowers just cuts out and it's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: the first down. And you know those are players that
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: you're used to, Gonzo being a lot more competitive in.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: George writes in, I don't know if you guys pay
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: attention to bleacher Report, grid Iron. I'm sure Evan does
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: they have a reel of a Patriots fan waving goodbye
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: from the game. Well, I'm that Patriots fan. So now
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: you can put a face to the name of this
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: diehard Pats fan. When I email in, I love the show,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: been around since your paper copy, you.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Sent a picture of his face.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: No, you have to go to bleacher Report, grid I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: guess to see the Patriots fan waving goodbye. Let's see
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: more more sympathy for Marcus Jones getting snubbed.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: We explained that, Yeah, we kind of explained it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Anthony cannot believe this was our first comeback
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: of double digits since the Falcon Super Bowls.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: That it is. Wow.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: That means at any point in the last nine years,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: if we went down by double digits we didn't win.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: It seems incomprehensible.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: It seems pretty comprehensible to me. You haven't watched those offenses,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Like, but that's the feeling you had, and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it was ingrained into by the time you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: got to this season, Like, you know, it's probably why
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: when they went down by eleven in the second half
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: in this game that I was kind of like, well,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: that's it. You know, you just you forget about the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: fact that Drake may can make seven throws and you're
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: in the end zone and just like that, you know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: in four minutes drive. So that's been the X factor.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, they were they've been bad. I mean,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: it's you felt like, unless they got real help from
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the other team the last few years, it was it
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go their way.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Anthony wants to know can we clunch the division this
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: week with a win or does Buffalo have to lose. No,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Buffalo has to lose and they play at four to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: twenty five against the Eagles, so we won't know if
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: we have the division until after that game.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: If we win, Yeah, sets up for pretty fun trip home,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: though potentially it was some scoreboard watching going on. It's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: a short flight, so, you know, and I do wonder,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: you know, if there'll be any celebratory things going on
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: if we find out that somebody shouts say they lost.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Jordan writes in let's all remember that the number one
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: seed is still in play. According to the Athletic Playoff predicted,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: the Patriots have a thirty eight percent chance and the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Broncos are at forty six percent. So I think it's
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: full steam ahead. That one seed is critical in my mind,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: and the Broncos could easily lose Week eighteen to the Chargers,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: who would have been playing well in our division opponent.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I'm curious if you guys see it differently, given how
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: good the Patriots have been on the road this year,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: and if being road warriors is actually more of an advantage.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: No, I want that buy more than anything. I mean,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: the division title has to come with it, but I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: think just for help, Yeah, well that's the thing, and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: that's why I mean, I think there's an argument to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: be made that we talked earlier about sitting guys that
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: last week that you know, you might enter that game
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: not knowing, and if you went in and sat a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys and then Denver lost and you somehow
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: lost with some backups Josh Jobs maybe throwing, you'd be
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: sick to your stomach because you could have gotten yourself
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: a week off. So it's it's such a tough thing
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: to balance because on one hand, you're like, well, they
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: might have to push my guys a little bit this
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: week to get them an extra week's rest. Or do
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you just say I'm going to give you an extra
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: week's rest, but you're probably gonna have to jump right
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: in next week?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, as long as you put Drake May under
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: center against Miami and the Jets, you're gonna win a
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: So like if you like, like if Robert Splaine has
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: to sit out again, or if you know, I don't
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: know whatever, you know, Will Campbell's not quite ready and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, these Treyvon Henderson's still in the protocol,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Like you can sit all those guys like these. That's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: the one real benefit I think the Patriots have with
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: this end of the schedule here being against two teams
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: that the Jets, especially the Dolphins, I think might just
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: be organizationally in a turmoil. But the Jets I think
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: or might be tanking, you know, like I think that
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: you're actively trying to lose, So I just I wouldn't
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: worry too much about it.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 19: You know.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots will take care of their own business,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: but they're gonna need some help.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: Again.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I forgot about Drake's I think.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Like this is like, I know, everybody's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: gonna have flashbacks to like twenty fifteen and Stephen Jackson
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: and that that Miami game and all that.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 15: But this is not.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: This is not that Curtis and Saint Louis. First off
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: to the mouth breather in La do us all a favor?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Shut up? No one cares about your self proclaimed wealth.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Your takes are trash, and I'd be willing to bet
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: my last dollar my unborn nephew has more football knowledge
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: than you. How about you go smell your farts in
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: your backyard. I hear the Chargers can use some more fans. Wow,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: that's that's pretty harsh. Listener on Listener Crime, two quick
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: questions out of the free agent sign this year, whose
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: contributions have been most impressive in your opinion? I have
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: to go with Mac Hollins. Well, I don't know, but
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: what was the question, sorry, most impressive free agent in
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: your contributions, most impressive.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: I mean Milton Williams are but he's been heard, I suppose.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, Hollins does a lot of the little things.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels called him a chess piece. Yeah, so you know,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: I can understand, like what Curtis is saying. This might
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: be a lot of things unnoticed that he's doing to
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: contribute that you know, don't really register walking.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: But I also just think that, you know, he's got
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: a really good uh playstrength, catch radius, and like it's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: not I'm sure it's really comforting for a quarterback like
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: like Drake May. You don't necessarily need to be pinpoint
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: accurate when you throw the ball to Matt Collins because
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: he's six foot five and he's got a huge catch radius.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: So every time I look at Drake May throw to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Mac Collins, there's just like an ease and confidence to
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: it because he knows that he's going to go up
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: and get it over the middle, or he's gonna, you know,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: catch a pass on the sideline or whatever the case
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: may be. And there's I mean they're just like they
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: just take those outs, like those quick game outs, like
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: he's just like five yards seven yards at time.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: What about Chase On He's been good too.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been good.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: He's been good.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: He makes some big plays he does. You know, he
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of them, but he you know,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: he he shows up.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean they they hit on pretty much everybody that
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: they signed. I mean, it's it's pretty impressive. And you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: now I think mentioned Ben Brown too. You know, they're
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: they're staying ahead of the curve. Marcus Jones in season extension,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Ben Brown rat very important depth there. So yeah, Bradberry
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: was I mean, just one another one.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, they don't really think of centers, but we
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: haven't had to worry about the position.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was somebody that a lot of people
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: were really low on because of all the PFF grades
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff from last year. And he's been
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: really really good. And I think maybe you know something
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about too. I mean, they played this
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: game with a lot of backups. You know, nine guys
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: got hurt in the game. Campbell's and Milton Williams are
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: still out, Splain is still out. We might have underestimated
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: the depth on this roster. Like, I don't know if
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: the depth on this team is quite as bad as
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: we all thought it was in August, because if Darien Lowe,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a great game for him, but they still
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: won with him playing at left tackle. You know, guys
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: are going in and out of the game. You know,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: they're getting contributions from they Er Munford and you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Corey Durden and Jack Gibbons and you know, all these
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: guys that everyone said in August were going to be
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: liabilities if they had to play, and they're still winning
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: football games without these you know, these players out.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: In Rabel's post game speech in the locker room, it's
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: kind of a stream of consciousness thing. But one of
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: the things that he slipped in there is, you know,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: guys are stepping in and finding out what they can do.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: And I think those are the that's who he's talking about. Yeah,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: those guys, those depth pieces that we didn't think were
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: that great. They are coming in and they're finding out, oh,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: I can do this, I can do that, like you know,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: I can play in this league. And of course the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: coaches are finding that out too.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: On top of these guys and the coaches deserve a
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: ton of credit for it as well, you know, not
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: only development behind the scenes, but let's give you know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: some love to the assistant coaches that are keeping Vederian
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: load you know, fresh, and working him and keeping him involved.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: And then he has to step in for Campbell and
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: it's not been you know, always great, but it hasn't
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: been a disaster by any means either with him out there.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: You know, they've done a great job. All these guys
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: are prepared. They all come in with you know, awareness
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: of the plan and the opponent and what they're going
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: up against. And that's coaching.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Second question, with all the talk of who you would
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: or wouldn't want to play in the playoffs, which NFC
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: team would be fun to see if and when the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Patriots make the Super Bowl?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: Fun?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by fun?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: I think I said it before the Bears.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bears Patriots a throwback game, Yep, it'd be fun
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: a couple of forty years from forty years for from
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five. Yeah, I mean there's I don't know,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: there's intriguing matchups across the board. I mean, they played
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: two Super Bowls already against the Rams, they played one
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. You know, there's a I mean, it
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: feels like Philly San Francisco playing at home at their
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: own state and the Super Bowl that might like to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: avoid that one. But there's a lot of intrigue. I
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: just when you stack up the AFC, especially after last weekend,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: it's just why not us? Why not the Patriots?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: They got it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: You know, they're gonna have to get hot a little
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: bit and they're gonna have to get some guys back.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: But you know, nobody in the AFC do I look
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: at and be like, well, thank you know, any of
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: those teams can can be beat if they if Drake
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: really plays well enough.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: I just got to get this defense in order. Yeah,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: if we're gonna start talking about that, I mean, I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: think the offense is, you know, good, good enough to
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: go on and run. But defensively, you know, last week
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: it was the inside runs. This week it was the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: outside runs. Like, doesn't seem to really matter. Wherever teams
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: kind of strength is running the football, they can kind
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: of run it there if they want to. You know,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: I thought the past defense had its moments, but it
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: also had some not so good moments. But you know,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: run game wise, like you know, Derrick Henry just killed
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: them off tackle again. The numbers were not good, and
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: they tried to play more base defense against Baltimore, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: they were giving up five and a half yards of
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: carry in base defense, which is the opposite of what
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: you're trying to do when you play that many big
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: people on the field. So, uh, they they got to
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: get healthy on defense. They got to get back to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: controlling the line of scrimmage. You know, they're not gonna
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: They're not gonna go to the super Bowl if they
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: don't control the line of scrimmage.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up? Eldred?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: Hey?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Aldred?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 21: Hey, Hey, Hey, tells how you're doing.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Marry Christmas.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 21: I'm sorry. I'm at the duck and the guys you
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 21: on the top.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: But oh okay, well you need to go or what
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: tell me?
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Got a podcast?
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 22: No, no, no, I'm good.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 21: I'm good. I'm good, and I agree and disagree. O one.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 21: You got to shoot for the number one seed. I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 21: don't care. You got that, you know, because you got
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 21: a chance that where La looked to get Dallas Denver
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 21: might be seen. Nicks won the fall, you know, and
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 21: you got Jets and Dolphins go ahead, and Evan, give
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 21: you your flowers. Bro finally saw it ain't in him
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 21: all the way down, but I'm still there, but I
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 21: still live.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 22: We got the quarterback, you know.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 21: What I mean, because he did show their toughness and
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 21: they clutch and the last drive the only part of
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 21: the game I had to see because I had to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 21: work that day and I would jump it. But other
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 21: than that, you know, I'm happy, but we have to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 21: fight for that dumb one sees you did in the
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 21: morning and she looking for me.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta go. All right. Yeah, I can just
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: see Eldred making this call with a doctor in front
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: of him, saying, cough, hold.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: On, I gotta talk to these guys. This is important.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pants down as uh Patty's and agawam, what's up?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Patty up?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: Guys?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 22: Uh, Freddie, Mickey, Merry Christmas.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: Evan.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 22: I hope your honika was great, buddy, Thank you. I
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 22: just had a wanted to say one thing and then
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 22: end with a question. If if the Broncos, which they
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 22: probably will win this week, if they win and we win,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 22: I would like to see them try and schedule both,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 22: you know, the Chargers Broncos game and the past Dolphins
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 22: game on Saturday, so we kind of know, you know,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 22: I'm guessing if they do. If they do that, the
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 22: Broncos Chargers game would be the primetime game. But I
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 22: want to I apologize I wasn't able to hear the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 22: beginning of the show. I just wanted to ask you
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 22: guys about Ramadre Stevenson. I think on Saturday, I'm sorry,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 22: Sunday night, he looked as good as he's looked at
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 22: maybe since like Game one of last year. And you know,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 22: I think going forward, I think he's going to be important,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 22: obviously just in past protection. But if he's healthy and
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 22: you know, whenever Traveon Henderson comes back, if he's able
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 22: to go full strength and he looks like that, I think,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 22: I think we're going to be all right. I think
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 22: we might make a deep playoff run. And I just
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 22: want to get your guys thoughts on that.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: I'll take it off there, all right, thanks.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So they are just quickly on the scheduling thing.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: If the number one seed is still up for grabs
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: between the Patriots and the Broncos, they'll play at the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: same time, so they wouldn't play on Saturday, because the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Saturday games are going to be staggered, so they wouldn't
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: like give a team a OWT, like, oh, like you
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: find out that the Patriots lost, yeah, and then like
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: all now, all of a sudden, the Patriots are you know,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: we're starting Josh Dobbs, you know or whatever. So but yeah, Remondred,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: I thought that the cut on the little checkdown that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: he caught and he turned into like a twenty twenty
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: five yard run was really really impressive. Obviously the touchdown
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: run was good too, but that cut I haven't seen
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Remandred move latterly like that, and you know, allude a
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: tackler like that in space in a minute, So that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: was good to see.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Just one question I have on the on the schedule
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: stuff is what are the Chargers got to play for
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: in that last week?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: Is that the division? Right?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: So the division could will be could be if the Chargers.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Win in Week seventeen, they're one game behind the Broncos
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: and if they beat the Broncos in that game, they
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: win the division.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: Ok.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that game could be for the division, which
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: could also impact things that could be that then become
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: the Sunday night game. So like there's a lot of
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: moving parts there, but for the most part, they try
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: to align those teams so that you can't sit guys.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: I don't want people to know ahead of time, you know,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: if they.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Give another team in advantage, right, knowing we don't have
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: to play, right, Yeah, Sean's and Vancouver.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 10: What's up, Sean, Mike, I really want to thank you
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 10: for doing the nineteen eighty five Patriots podcast as a
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 10: special team for Actually yeah, well, I actually attended the
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 10: AFC Championship game in Miami. That was the first NFL
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: game I ever went to.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it was amazing. Now, Paul mentioned earlier a lot
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 10: of the rookies who who stand it stood out this
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 10: season one player, and I can understand why you wouldn't
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: mention there's so many contributions. Is Julian Ashby. And I
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 10: don't know enough about long snap or play, but I
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 10: haven't heard his name mentioned to me, So to me,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 10: that meets me the success, so that that could be
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 10: added to the list.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: In terms yeah, in terms of the number one feet,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure the Patriots are going to win the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: next two game. Sorry, Fred, I think those could be
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 10: your guarantees as well. Again, but I think it's up
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 10: to the Chargers in the in the last game, so
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 10: I'll leave it at that. Great season than all.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Right, thanks Sean. Yeah, we're coming down to the wire.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: This is great. We are this is good.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: It's nice to like not be like just waiting for
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: the season and it nice to be still last week
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: this is the last lot. You know, you just start
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: checking boxes and now it's like, yeah, you know, the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: next two weeks kind of a grind, but like playoffs
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and like let's just go.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I tell you that is you bring that up.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: But like, you know, during the Dynasty, you got so
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: used to being in the conversation throughout the playoffs and
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: like when you're not, like it's an empty feeling. It's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: an empty feeling like we used to be that.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I was even thinking about like going to the combine,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like going to.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: The watching college Yeah. I was already talking about Drake
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: May and the draft and Campbell.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: And watching Abdul Carter for Penn statement.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah oh yeah, the college football playoff was more interesting
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: than the end of the Patriots.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Danny and Daytona. Hey, Danny, he
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: can you guys hear me.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 23: Yeah, I was a good friend Evan and Duce. So
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 23: to answer your point earlier, Fred, all right, I'll admit this.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 23: At least I'm an honest person. I'm gonna come out
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 23: and say I wasn't one of those people that commented
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 23: are trolled out there saying that, oh, the Patriots are
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 23: gonna collapse. The only thing I was worried. And this
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 23: is a true and this is at least an honest assessment.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 23: I the way the Patriots played. I had most of
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 23: the game. Like I think Duke came out and said
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 23: it earlier in the show. They came out slow and sluggish.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: It looked terrible, and.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 23: I was like, oh my, I started like not panicking,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 23: but I'm like, this is terrible, Like this is not
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 23: how you respond to a Buffalo game where you came
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 23: pretty close but you fell short. So I felt like
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 23: we were falling off a cliff at in that game.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 23: But then you know, because Drake made some very bad
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 23: decisions and I was like, wow, this is terrible. I
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 23: don't think that. Like I said, he did come back
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 23: clutch in the in the fourth quarter, which is awesome.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 23: I was glad to see him overcome that he held
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 23: himself accountable, like he said in the press conference in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 23: the Bills game. After the Bills games, so I give
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 23: I give dre his flower, Drake May his flowers, But
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 23: I am not like Paul's people from like Murray from
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 23: ninety eight point five. He was wanting to crucify Drake
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 23: May after the game, saying, this guy still don't forget
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 23: the bad plays that he did. So I'm not gonna
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 23: be like Murray. But uh, he did play bad, and
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 23: I hope that to see he keeps improving. And then
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 23: the other thing I would say is, yeah, I didn't
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 23: know that was Mike that called that player. I thought
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 23: it was Jeremy, and I was gonna call for Jeremy's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 23: job again. I still think Germany, I still think Jeremy
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 23: should be fired. He was on the same staff with
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 23: the Rams, and the Rams just fired their specialty is coordinated.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 23: Honestly saw that. So Jeremy was working for the last
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 23: couple of years.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Jeremy was with the Patriots last year.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: So I don't all right, thanks Danny, yeah, firing people.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: Uh, I did not think that Drake played that bad
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: to start this game.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be he made some bad mistakes. I mean,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the turnovers were isolated. It wasn't like a string of mistakes.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, so opening driving went right
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: down the field like he threw im gonna say.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like in terms of offense, they didn't start sluggishly. Now,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: defense it was like night through hut button. We've seen
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: that before on first drives and and by the way,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: did you see the game last night? Both teams first drive.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: You know, so that that's a lot that happens a
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: lot in the NFL. Now we're the worst at it.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt our first drive defense is not good.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: But you know you think but at some point, Fred,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: that you'd kind of be like, now, that's just what
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: we do.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: And that's like I don't mean yeah, but I don't
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: want to be like that.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: But you have to build up that confidence because I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: think that we're close to that that that might just
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: be what they are is, you know, a team that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: makes adjustments and on the fly, but they haven't built
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: up that equity that you like feel like, okay, they'll
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: level up.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, like, yes, it was you were
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: in a tough spot on Sunday night, but I don't
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: have the same feeling when this team's in a tough
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: spot then last year or the year before because our
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: offense was dreadful. That's not the case this. You know,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: my hope in this game was one of two things,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: and I wrote it, you know, that was my opening
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: statement on the bly said, I feel like to win
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: this game. It's a tough matchup. But to win this game,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: one of two things happens. Either our offense has to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: play really well or our defense has to play really well.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's unreasonable to think both sides are going
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: to play really well. And my thinking is that, listen,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: if our defense plays the way it's been playing the
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: last few games, I have fate that our offense is
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: going to keep up. You know. That's the difference. That's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: the difference, and that's what I was kind of hoping for.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Well that Evan Evan said about you know, the equity
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: of it and built up, Like, to me, what equity
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: has been built up is that I think this team's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: going to be a tough out no matter how bad
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: they play on defense. You know, they just I think
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: they've shown that resilience throughout the year, where yeah, They've
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: had a lot of bad starts, but they always seem
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: to find a way to make a push and you know,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: kind of pull it together and adjust to the you know,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: to what the other team is doing. So it's just
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: in that effort and finish thing, Like I just I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: see that all the time with this team. So you know,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to play the Patriots no matter who
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: gets healthy who doesn't, just you know, with Drake May
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: and just the way the team plays overall.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so their first four drives on offense and the
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: in the game on Sunday night, interception in the red zone, touchdown,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: field goal, fumble in field goal territory.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Like they were moving the ball all night.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you don't move the ball.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Like that if the quarterback is playing bad like the
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: second half against Buffalo he played bad.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, like we can say that.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: But this game, I I really outside of the two turnovers,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: and I know that the turnovers are a big deal,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: but I'm telling like, this was not Like he was
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: really really good in this game.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really good, Riley writes. And I called in last
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: week and made a statement regarding May's fourth quarter comeback
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: against the Ravens. I stated that they are one of
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: the top rated defenses in the league as of late,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: to which Paul retorted that they are not. While I
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: understand your role as the bad guy in your tendency
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: to disagree with the majority of takes, facts are facts
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: and numbers don't lie. From Week five to sixteen of
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five season, the Ravens defense has been
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: elite and there has and here are some stats to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: back up my claim. One allowed the fewest touchdowns in
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: the NFL nine over an eight week span. Two number
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: one in red zone defense, number three in points allowed
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: fifteen point three, number three in QB hits fifty three
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: and tied for number five, and takeaways thirteen three. Went
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: from only two takeaways in the first five games to
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: eight in the subsequent four. In conclusion, while I respect
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: your role, courage a closer look at the facts before
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: dismissing the claim so quickly, I noticed that too, Paul
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: was very dismissive of the Ravens defense even just today.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: But as of late, the Ravens defense played a lot
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: better than it did early in the season.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: But it's been since like Week six. Like, yeah, so
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: I agree with the Emailer. I didn't want to get
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: into it with Paul, so I just kind of let
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: it go. But you know, they they started out like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: historically bad, yes by Baltimore standards. Since week six on,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: they like flipped the switch and they'd the Emailers one
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: hundred percent right. You know, their their stats are their
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: second in scoring. Defense. They were very very have been
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: very very good for like two months now. Defensively. This
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: is the same defense that a week ago shut out
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow for the first time in his NFL career.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow had never been shut out as an NFL
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: quarterback until the Ravens defense did it to him a
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. And then Drake May just went
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: out and put fourteen on the board in the fourth
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: quarter again that same defense. So the Emailers one hundred
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: percent spot on. This Ravens defense has been much much better, right.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Paul likes to diminish the accomplishments of the home team.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: It was one of the you know sometimes when Paul
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: says something and like you have you have PI battles.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that one didn't want.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: To get My thing is when Paul like misinterprets a point,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: you're trying to make and then he starts arguing against
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: the point you weren't trying to make, and now you're like,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: that's not See.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: The thing I've learned over by years with Paul Parrillo
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: is that he has a lot of arguments going on.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: It has a lot of takes that he's getting ready
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: to defend down the road with strategic and that's a
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: lot of what's going on with him. I see right
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: through it. I see right through it. Sam from Saint
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: catherine'es call me crazy, but I'd rather rest my starters
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: this week over next week. The Jets stink and we
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: should be able to beat them with our backups. I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: don't want Drake or any of our important players anywhere
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: near the MetLife turf.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: I know that is true, but that is probably what
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: I scare most about this game, is that turf. Yeah,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: I know some time I hear you, well, Paul, I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: have a question for went, like, when was the first
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: time after hiring Paul that you're like, this guy is special.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: He likes to yell, he's ready to go on, Like,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you know when you hired him that,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: like because because you didn't have a radio show when
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: you hired him right, like you you were hiring him
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: as a writer, and you didn't realize like his true
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: superpower was really right getting in arguments and the debating people.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I also had a guy named Brian Moury.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Well, they would they would go at it.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: As you know, President was said, the talk doesn't stop
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: when the microphones were off around here, and the talk
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: began a long time before the microphones would turned on,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: and he and Maury would go at it. They would
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: go at it, and then Maury would pick out bring
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: out the media guide and just start banging away at
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: facts and Paul would just get They would go at it.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: And you just sit back and push the micro in
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: and they look what I oh, yeah, what.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Are the best days in Paul's life? Was when Brian left?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Which time the first time?
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: So now yeah, so I and then then Andy came
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: in and you're like, oh boy, more fuel for the fire.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Paul, I mean like he and his brother,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: oh used to go at it all.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: You know, Paul surprised me though, you know, I thought
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: that all the nerd stuff that I say, I thought
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: he was gonna just scold me if twenty four he's
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: more open minded than you might think, you know, like
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: he's willing to listen to.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Some clock management guy. I mean he brought up I
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: mean give Paul credit for I pointed out I thought
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Brendan Schooler had just an outstanding kickoff tackle on that
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: last kickoff where they had been kicking out of bounds,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: they finally kicked it and I said, you know, well,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: why do they choose to kick it there? And then
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Paul was like, well, they might be trying to get
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: the run to get to the two minute warning to
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: burn that clock stock, which doesn't even occurred to me.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: But Paul, who is you know, very stressed to point
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: it on clock management and those kind of things. But
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: but that play was great by Schooler. I never watched
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: the Special Teams really when I'm going back to it,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: but I was like, I got to watch this one play,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: and that, I think, to me summed up why Brendan
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Schooler is a Special Special Teams player, especially going back
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: last week when they got you know, torched by a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: couple of times. That I mean, just the ability full
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: speed make a guy miss, get right around, boom tackle
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: the guy like the thirty one don't tell Paul that.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: I would just even it could It doesn't even need
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: to be like in a formal setting or on the record.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: I did a good job.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: I just want Paul in stretch. I just want to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: watch them talk about the clock management stuff because I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: feel like that's like me, like talking to like Rabel
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: or Josh or something like that. Or am I you
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: know you're just like this is my dream come true? Right,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: I just get the two of them in a room
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: and let the lets them, let them talk ball.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say something I didn't even
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: think of that.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my god, this is magic. Yeah, now that
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: would be a good conversation to listen to. I shouldn't.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't want to partake because I get a
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: popsicle headache thinking about it. All that. Kyle from Pembroke
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: to stumped the grump questions for Paul. He's not here,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: so we'll try to answer him. When was the last
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: time the Jets swept the Patriots swept the Patriots?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, was that like ninety eight?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Close? Little little late it happened after that two thousands?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: I felt like in that little yeah figure When did
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: the Jets first beat a Tom Brady led Patriots team?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: The first time they beat a team with Tom Brady
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: a quarterback? Six regular season before that?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh two week sixteen thirty to seventeen about that season, ever,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Paul would have got that time, he would have got it.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh two y like nine? What went wrong?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: Would you hear see what happened with Metcalf? Yeah?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Suspending two games?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: What was?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: What was?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Why did they get into? But more so, do you
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: know how to see how much money he lost? Forty
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: five million dollars?
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, they're they're appealing, so we'll see,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: What do I mean?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I saw him push the guy?
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: Do we know what like started?
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Did he just guy said something and you know, nothing
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: was thrown or anything like that, So we're he said
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: something and he came and you know you saw he
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: pulled him down and the guy was asking for an autograph.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Alternative video came out.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Oh so why did he do that then? If he
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: was just asking for I don't think he think.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Well, this guy called him by his first name and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: social media stinket.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: He didn't like being called by his first name. Okay,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: that's right. He said that he used his full name,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: which was like d some something.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: So maybe but maybe like yeah, maybe he's got a
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: thing about that something. Yeah, and maybe that guy knew
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: he had the thing about that. I don't know whatever
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: he said he got to him.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: It's Declan nobody.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was Declan, but it's spelt
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: a little funk, so it's spelled de k a y
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: l i n. So that's why he goes by DK
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: because it's ok.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great show, says Hector in Pennsylvania. I'm not critical
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: of the team, and we need to enjoy the success
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: as Patriots fans. But I do have a concern over
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: the defense. And this question is for Evan.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, guys.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Is the defensive scheme hurting Gonzo's player or is he
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: not completely healed? I know he was selected to the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, but sometimes once you've been selected, they keep
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: selecting you even though you don't have a good season
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: compared to the season prior. Just concerned about it because
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: if the defensive scheme doesn't suit him, I feel he
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: won't be here long.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: It's a fair concern. Yeah, I can't put my finger
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: on it either, And it's just an eye test thing,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: like the numbers if you want to go by, like
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: you know, the charting numbers of like his completion percentage
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: and the touchdowns he's actually allowed, and like it's not
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: that bad, Like it's all pretty much in the ballpark
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: of what it's been in other years. But when you
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: watch it, there's just more reps to me with him
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: that are just non competitive than what you're used to seeing.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it is that like off zone
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: or offman stuff. And I don't think he's the best
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: zone corner, Like I think he gets a little bit lost.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: At the top of the route and especially come up
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: and tackle.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the tackling and you know these
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: offenses nowadays, like so much of the run game now
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: is played out in space, and they're trying to get
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: the defensive backs in the point of attack and try
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: to run at corners and safeties instead of running at
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: defensive linemen and linebackers. And you know that means that
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: your corners have to take on blocks, they have to tackle,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: they have to be you know, willing and able to
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: do those different types of things. Well, I don't know
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: what it is.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Well if if the hamstring is still hampering him or
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: if it's something else. If I was his agent, I
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: try to leak that out there. Yeah, yeah, sure, you know,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: because there's contract coming up, either with this team or
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: some other team, and I'd want the world to know
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: that he's not one hundred percent.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this will be his fifth year.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Pickup.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: In the spring, I did it like a lot of
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: deep dive on next Gen of like, you know, all
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: the amount of zone and different coverages they're playing according
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: to the next Gen. But now I just I think
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: it's important to highlight like they still play a lot
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: of man. Like they're still above the league average in man,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: but they play like thirty percent as opposed to the
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: old Belichick twenty nineteen, which is like sixty percent man.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: So it's like a complicated question to me because I
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: think generally speaking, they want to play zone on first
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: and second down, keep eyes on the quarterback, come up
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: and tackle, and on third down they want to man
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: you up and make you make you beat them. So
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: there still is a value to having a man corner,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: but it's just how valuable is it where it's you're
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: not playing man sixty percent of the snaps now where
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: it's that's pretty much what Stefan Gilmore twenty nineteen defensive
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: MVP is doing.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: So it's it's a tough question to answer.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And it's also I look at I've always kind of
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: defaulted to the front seven makes your defense. If you've
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: got a great front seven, you'll kind of make do
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: with what the second area is. And the covers are
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: kind of bare at the edge spots right now, especially
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: long term, you know, you don't you know, you're at
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: least you don't have to figure out what to do
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: with Chase on So is there an argument to be
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: made that a man heavy team like Detroit that does
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: play that much man might say he's worth a first
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: round pick to us, you know, and you can say.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: One for two and I think Gonzo is a better
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: player than Sauce.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: There you go, Son, I don't rule those kind of
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: conversations out that you want to readjust your resources with
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: a defense that let's face it, they need help. They're
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: going to need a lot of help this safseason. There's
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: going to be I mean, Evan and I have already
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: been talking about the edge class and that being a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: potential area to you know, bring somebody in. So it's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: a great conversation to have in discussion. But you know,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you've got a world
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: class athlete at cornerback, and that to me is like
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: kind of my default of like, these guys do not
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: grow on trees. He's a special mover and a lot
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: of these games too, haven't really been matchups that.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: Show you what his value is.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: Now you got them like, well, we got to stick
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: them on on flowers because you know, because Marcus Jones
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: is banged up, and you know, so I continue to
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: think that if we get into maybe one of these
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: matchups like against Houston where they do have some outside
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: receivers that like you want a man up that that
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: maybe you'll start to say, oh, yeah, that's why we
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: have Gonzo, because you know, I don't want to pull
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: it up right now. But there are games where they
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: play a bunch of man too. So to me, when
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: I look at like their schematics and all that, I
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: don't know how you feel what. I just feel like
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: they're all over the map, like they have no tendencies.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: It's like you just, yeah, they're generally a little bit
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: more man, but otherwise you don't really know what you're
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: gonna get.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: They're definitely, you know, one of those defenses I think
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: on it first and second down. I know the all
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: the off coverage drives people nuts, but in today's day
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: and age, you got to give up something. You can't
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: just expect to take away every blade of grass against
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: these offenses. And I think a lot of what you
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: see with them on early downs is like, let's limit
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: the big plays, Let's keep things in front of us,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: you know, let's make them march, you know, let's make
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: them go down the field on us.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 8: And that.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: That's a fine strategy. It's just not I know that
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: people drive every week. I have people out there in
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: my reply is saying like why are they playing so
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: much zone? Why are they playing off the line of scrimmage? Well,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: because it's first and ten from like the thirty five,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: and they're not gonna just cover zero at you know,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: every single play, so like they're trying to, you know,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: manage the situation and manage the game. He's a great,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: great player, and I think that's where my frustrations come
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: from with it, because I know how good he is
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: and I know that he can be the best corner
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: in the league. And for whatever reason, this just hasn't
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: been at the year where he showcased that. And and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the answers to that, And I
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: think a piece of me too, like I would hate
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: to see him get traded like they they drafted a
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: star cornerback in the first round. Is one of the
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: only draft picks in that time frame that they actually
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: hit on. He's a great player, you know, he's young,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: he's talented, everything. And because it's not like a perfect fit,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: like they're gonna end up trading like I would hate that.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be terrible.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: So I just I hope that they can find a
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: way to figure it out.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Right then you saw it, sorry, Fred, but just then
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: you swap it out for like a tough guy who
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: can come up and tackle and play zone on early downs.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: But then you get the third down against the good
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs, where another thing I truly believe
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: is that you need athletes to match athletes. You're gonna
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: go against Jamar Chase. You don't want to go in
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: with a guy, Oh yeah, well he's a great zone tackler.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: You know, he's police grade and zone he comes up
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: and tackles. You're gonna need those guys against the best team.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just wait and see two how they match
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  Speaker 1: up against those good teams.
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  Speaker 2: Jake is in Alabama. I recently got stationed at Fort Rucker,
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  Speaker 2: Alabama to train to be a Blackhawk pilot, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: living in a little town called Enterprise. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: your service. Good luck with that. I just saw that
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  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones donated some money to the high school football
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  Speaker 2: program here as it's where he's from, so I'll let
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  Speaker 2: him know. Paul says, hi when I see him. I
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  Speaker 2: have some friends who are Bears commanders and Broncos fans,
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  Speaker 2: and we were talking about which team is in a
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  Speaker 2: better place right now. Bears and Pats have the QB advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Broncos have the better roster. Commanders are going to have
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  Speaker 2: a good, good picks and their QB coming back. Interested
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  Speaker 2: to hear where you would rank these teams for twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six and beyond it. So it goes like this,
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  Speaker 2: it's Patriots, Bears, Broncos commanders. That's the order.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots, Bears, Broncos commanders.
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  Speaker 3: Patriots number one, the best quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to take the Patriots out of it
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  Speaker 1: for the purpose of these conversations. But I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: just I think that Chicago is a ton of talent.
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  Speaker 1: I just continue to wonder, like if it starts to
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  Speaker 1: go a little sid those guys are just weird. The
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  Speaker 1: head coach is a little weird to me. The quarterback's
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  Speaker 1: a little weird to me.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about that he's a little weird.
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  Speaker 1: Which is fine. I mean, he's doing a great job
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  Speaker 1: getting his team to play, but like, you just wonder
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  Speaker 1: when things start to go a little sideways, that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to keep the train on the rails. But they're
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  Speaker 1: really talented and Baltimore, it's just I mean, I'm sorry Denver,
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  Speaker 1: big fanish on, you know Peyton, and I know bo
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  Speaker 1: Nix is what he is. But I still think they
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  Speaker 1: got a great defense. They're always going to be playing
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  Speaker 1: in Denver.
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  Speaker 3: Well every week.
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  Speaker 1: They're a tough team. Washington, I'm kind of like, I
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: don't know, because now you're getting away from that free
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  Speaker 1: agency class of two years ago, what kind of work
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: are they going to do this year? Is McLaurin still
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  Speaker 1: going to be McLaurin, You know, Debo? I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: there they got a reload I think so I put
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  Speaker 1: them at the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: Logan from Myrtle Beach writes in complaining about the non
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: pass interference call, but his email just kind of reminded
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  Speaker 2: me of something. Would Booty have hit his head that
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  Speaker 2: hard on the ground had he not been pulled down?
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Because you're right, so now you know, you come down
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  Speaker 2: with a certain amount of knowledge about how I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to fall, but all of a sudden you have this
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  Speaker 2: extra put and now there's something you didn't plan for.
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  Speaker 2: So that's another reason to be upset about that call,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: is because he might have been sidelined because of itely.
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  Speaker 2: Not that the call would have helped his head, but
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  Speaker 2: the fact is it was passing afference and him hitting
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  Speaker 2: the head almost.
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  Speaker 3: Proved that it was.
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  Speaker 1: One last point I'll make on that though, and I
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  Speaker 1: think you guys probably talked about it. We just we
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: gave the team credit for not letting that get caught
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: up in that call and continuing to stay the course.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike going down and getting the touchdown. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: us probably would have been throwing a hissy fit.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of people in the press bote.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I yeah, you know, we're not supposed to say anything,
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  Speaker 2: and I I did. I think I said that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I said that out loud.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing I think I said the entire game
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  Speaker 3: and we have to go is that when Chase on
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  Speaker 3: stripped him, I can't help the ball like I just
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: like again, I can't help it like it's not It's
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  Speaker 3: ingrained in no matter, no matter what team it is,
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  Speaker 3: not just the Patriots, like it just is automatic.
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  Speaker 5: When you see the ball, get on it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, whenever there's a fumble, Evan stands up in points.
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  Speaker 2: You know our ball ball. All right, that's going to
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  Speaker 2: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: I hope Eldred is doing okay in this doctor's appointment. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I could look. I hope we didn't interrupt anything. And
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  Speaker 2: if you want to go listen to Paul, he's on
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: one of his shows. I think everyone should call in
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: that listens to this show and complain that he left
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: the show early. I think everyone should do that. That
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: would be fun. All Right, we'll see you tomorrow and
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  Speaker 2: catch twenty two tomorrow at ten o'clock on special Christmas
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  Speaker 2: Eve edition. Okay, yeah, all right, hey.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot