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Derek Chauvin/George Floyd trial commences. WHAT WILL TESTIMONY SHOW? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: It is day one of the trial of former officer
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  Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin. If that name does not ring a bell,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the name mister George Floyd will ring a bell.
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  Speaker 1: How did it get here? As we wait for trial
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  Speaker 1: to begin, still wondering how we ended up in this scenario.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. For thirty
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  Speaker 1: one years, Cut Foods has been a part of this
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  Speaker 1: South Minneapolis community. We don't just work in that community.
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  Speaker 1: That is our community. We know the community. It's a
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  Speaker 1: vibe that is unmatched to another community. It's the best
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  Speaker 1: thing that's happened to our family. The family owned business
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  Speaker 1: has come under fire after a phone call to police
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  Speaker 1: about the passing of a counterfeit twenty our bill. The
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  Speaker 1: staff that called the police followed protocol when you identified
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  Speaker 1: the bill is fake. The patron was out of the
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  Speaker 1: establishment when the police arrived. He was outside of the establishment,
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  Speaker 1: which normally never takes place while he was still there,
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  Speaker 1: We're not sure. Most of the time, when patrons give
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  Speaker 1: us a counterfeit bill, they don't even know it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: So when the police are called, there's no crime being committed.
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  Speaker 1: They just want to know where they got it from
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  Speaker 1: and that's usually what takes place. I don't understand why
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  Speaker 1: Cup Foods came under fire there in Minneapolis for following
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  Speaker 1: protocol when they get fake money. You're hearing our friend
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  Speaker 1: at w CCO CBS four that's Rez Chapman. But take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this our friends at Fox nine k MSP.
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  Speaker 1: The initial nine one one call about a forgery in
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  Speaker 1: progress came in at eight o two Monday evening. Two
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  Speaker 1: officers walk across the street and approach opposite sides of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle, which already had at least one door open.
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  Speaker 1: The officer on the passenger side shining a flashlight in
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  Speaker 1: the suv as a man gets out. At that same time,
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  Speaker 1: George Floyd and one of the other office on the
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  Speaker 1: driver's side begins to visibly struggle and the other officer
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  Speaker 1: comes to assist. Meanwhile, the man in the front passenger
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  Speaker 1: seat and a woman in the backseat exit the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, Floyd is clearly cuffed and walked away
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  Speaker 1: from the suv and seated on the sidewalk, just as
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  Speaker 1: a park Police vehicle pulls up to assist. Through body
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  Speaker 1: camera footage from the park Police, we see officers taking
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  Speaker 1: notes talking with witnesses and things appear to be calm
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  Speaker 1: and routine. So I think at this juncture everybody agrees
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  Speaker 1: on the fact. So far the scene is calm and
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  Speaker 1: quote routine that quickly changes. Take a listen to this
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  Speaker 1: bodycam footage is many. Let me see your on their hand,
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  Speaker 1: both hands. Put your hands off right now, let me
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  Speaker 1: see your on our hands. What do we do? Put
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: your hand off there, put your hand off class, keep
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  Speaker 1: your hands in the wheel, the sacking hands in the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Waltz is in the car. I'm so sorry. God.
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  Speaker 1: Dang man, man, I got I got shot the same
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  Speaker 1: way as I was before. Okay, Well, when I say
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  Speaker 1: let me see your hands, you put your hands off.
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  Speaker 1: He got them. Dangn man, put your hands on top
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  Speaker 1: of your head. You are hearing bodycam footage as officer
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  Speaker 1: Lane approaches the vehicle. Man inside. They get mister Floyd
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  Speaker 1: out of the car. Still no incident. Everything's fine. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to more of that bodycam footage. Now not moving your back,
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  Speaker 1: then the floor. Hey, you come back, stay in the car.
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  Speaker 1: Stop resisting massage. That's who man. Stand up, please please, man,
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  Speaker 1: stand up, stand up. I come on, walk with me.
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  Speaker 1: Let's walk with me. Just walk with men. Stand up
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  Speaker 1: like this, stand off, Come on, I want We're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get out of the street. Here. She don't get
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  Speaker 1: hit by a car. Man, take a set down for
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  Speaker 1: Thank you man, Thank you Sit down, thank you man.
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  Speaker 1: Sit all the way down. Let's I will a man.
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  Speaker 1: He man, get an idea on you. I'm going to home,
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  Speaker 1: all right. What's your name? George? George Hood period Floyd.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going How does everything so wrong? Today?
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  Speaker 1: Day one of the trial of officer Derek Chauvin with
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  Speaker 1: me an all star panel to try and make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what's happening right now in a court of law
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  Speaker 1: with me veteran trial lawyer joining me out of the
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  Speaker 1: New York jurisdiction. Jason Oceans Police psychologist, adjunct faculty Saint
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  Speaker 1: Leo University, author of practical recommendations to help stop officers suicide.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jerry Krausen, doctor Tim and Gallagher, and medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: for the State of Florida. You can find him at
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  Speaker 1: pathcaremd dot com. Karen Smith for expert Lecturer, University Florida
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  Speaker 1: and host of Shattered Souls podcast at Karen's Forensic but
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  Speaker 1: first to Anjenette Levy, Emmy nominated reporter and anchor, and
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  Speaker 1: you can find her on Twitter at Anjanette five. Antenette Levy,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Everything quickly degenerated from there,
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  Speaker 1: But let me fast forward for one moment. What's happening
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  Speaker 1: right now out in the courthouse. Nancy, thanks so much
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  Speaker 1: for having me. Earlier today, the Reverend Al Sharpton and
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  Speaker 1: Ben Crump held a press conference. They kneeled for eight
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  Speaker 1: minutes and forty six seconds. Ben Crump said this morning
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  Speaker 1: that this is not a difficult case. Obviously, the defense
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  Speaker 1: disagrees with that and believes that George Floyd died of
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  Speaker 1: a Fennel overdose and some pre existing heart issues. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to argue that with the actual cause of death
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  Speaker 1: and not Derek Chauvin's knee on George Floyd's neck. So
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  Speaker 1: opening statements begin, and we are going to hear both
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  Speaker 1: sides lay out their cases really for the world very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State
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  Speaker 1: of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, Derek Chauvin is on video holding
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  Speaker 1: his knee and to George Floyd's neck to now say
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  Speaker 1: Floyd died of a Fennel o d in pre existing conditions.
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  Speaker 1: Is that's saying like, I died of asthma because my
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  Speaker 1: house burned down with me asleep inside. I mean, am
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  Speaker 1: I wrong? I mean, what can you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: this alleged fentanyl OD Was that a contributing factor? But
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  Speaker 1: this is a criminal case. Hold on Jason Notion's veteran
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer. In a civil case, for instance, you and
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  Speaker 1: I have a car crash and I ran a red light,
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  Speaker 1: but you were going eighty five mph in a thirty
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  Speaker 1: five mile zone. So the jury in comparative jurisdictions compares
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  Speaker 1: who's at fault and say you're a forty percent wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sixty percent wrong. That's how they come up with
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  Speaker 1: a money verdict. But this is criminal law doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: like that, No, it doesn't reasonable doubt and things that
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  Speaker 1: you use as defense counsel to try and move the
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  Speaker 1: story versus you know, let's say, in the OJ trial,
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  Speaker 1: simpically found liable much higher you much much lower standard
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  Speaker 1: than a criminal case where liberty is at stake. So
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  Speaker 1: as you're asking doctor Tim and getting into the talks
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  Speaker 1: report and getting into the you know, maybe some of
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  Speaker 1: the ligature marks perhaps around the neck, and looking at
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  Speaker 1: the Emmy's report for any broken bones or bruises to
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  Speaker 1: the wind pipe. You know, with the video doesn't in
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  Speaker 1: any way possibly cover that. So these will be part
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  Speaker 1: of the defense strategy going forward, quite quite relevant to
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  Speaker 1: the whole school. Okay, so how does it work, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher? How do you decide? Did he die of asphyxiation?
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  Speaker 1: Not strangulation, but asphyxiation from having Chauvin's knee on his
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  Speaker 1: neck versus a fentanyl O D. I mean, is that
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  Speaker 1: far fetched or is that real? Well, it's very real
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  Speaker 1: in today's argumentative world. But you know, you here, hey,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of lawyers claiming things. I mean, in your world,
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  Speaker 1: a world that's based on autopsies and hard scientific fact.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we don't argue amongst what
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  Speaker 1: do we know about what the autopsy reveals? And again
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  Speaker 1: it's it's not like we don't argue amongst ourselves. We do,
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  Speaker 1: but here, you know, we have many competing causes of death,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then one thing that we have to
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  Speaker 1: remember is that George Floyd had the fentonel in his system,
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  Speaker 1: and he had whatever heart condition he had pre existing
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  Speaker 1: before he got apprehended by law enforcement. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: was alive. He was very much alive having those two
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  Speaker 1: conditions present within his body. Now that you add the
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  Speaker 1: apprehension maneuvers done by the law enforcement, and now he's dead,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So he was alive before they did it.
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  Speaker 1: He was dead after they did it, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: it's it seems to be a very fundamental argument to
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  Speaker 1: prove that the physical assault was gone. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, this day one of Derek Schaubin trial,
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  Speaker 1: the murders trial going down right now, and with me
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  Speaker 1: is doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: But first listen to this. I get in the car.
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  Speaker 1: You know it. You know it was me. Don't do
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  Speaker 1: me like that man in the car. Okay, I told
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  Speaker 1: you please, you can't car, we can talk. I am
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  Speaker 1: because the phobic I'm American with me got him. Because
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  Speaker 1: the phobic in the car in front. You're not getting them.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting in the car okay, man, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not the best man in the car. I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: black man. Please please sit take up every who give
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  Speaker 1: him the squad. I'm not gonna okay now, hearing that,
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  Speaker 1: you may believe that's when mister Floyd was on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: but that is at the point to Enginette Levy, Emmy
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  Speaker 1: nominated reporter and anchor, That is when they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: put him in the police car and he will not
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  Speaker 1: get in the bat because he says he's got claustrophobia,
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  Speaker 1: and somebody screams out he's about to have a heart attack. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because they're trying to struggle him into the back because
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  Speaker 1: you hear them saying, you're not getting in the front
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  Speaker 1: where the steering wheel and the gas pedals are. That's
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  Speaker 1: not happening, and so somebody screams out he's about to
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  Speaker 1: have a heart attack at this junk or Antinette Leavy,
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  Speaker 1: aren't they still trying to get him into the back
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  Speaker 1: seat of the car? Yeah? And if there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are a several different body cameras videos out there
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  Speaker 1: that give you kind of different angles. You have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of watch all of them to really see what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. So they're trying to get him in through
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  Speaker 1: the sides of the car that's next to cup Foods,
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  Speaker 1: So or right there by, you know, by the sidewalks, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then they put him in and then I believe
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to tell, but I believe. Then one
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  Speaker 1: of them goes around the other side, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it might even be Chauvin, and they try to pull
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  Speaker 1: him through the other side, you know, they try to
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  Speaker 1: get him in like from both sides, and he's just
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  Speaker 1: won't do it. He can't get in. Now he is
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  Speaker 1: resisting and he's saying, look, I can't get in there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get in there. I'm claustrophobic, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And so they're trying to pull him through, and then
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  Speaker 1: at that point he's just it's this big struggle to
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  Speaker 1: get him in the vehicle, and he's a big guy
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  Speaker 1: sick for right. Well, I can tell you right now
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  Speaker 1: to Jason Ocean's new or defense attorney, when a bystander
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  Speaker 1: yells out he's going to have a heart attack. That
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  Speaker 1: is going to be used by Chauvin's defense to say
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  Speaker 1: Floyd was so worked up over getting in the squad
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  Speaker 1: cart it was inducing a heart attack. Well, certainly the
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  Speaker 1: video gives, you know, any late person the perspective of
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  Speaker 1: few know what you're talking about a lay person like
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  Speaker 1: you're looking down your snoop, because that's who's on the jury.
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  Speaker 1: Lay people, they're not lawyers. But you're asking Nancy about
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  Speaker 1: that comment relative to where it is. The jurors are
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  Speaker 1: going to be driving it in a different contexts. So
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  Speaker 1: certainly that does highlight. Now that's even before any activity
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  Speaker 1: or engagement with the defendant and mister Floyd. It certainly
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  Speaker 1: gives everyone the perspective in a heightened state that mister
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  Speaker 1: Floyd was quite jacked up on his own and was
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  Speaker 1: seemingly just from a simple stomp and ID on a
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  Speaker 1: counterfeit twenty was, you know, breaking down in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: He's a vi the video to the point Jason Oceans,
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  Speaker 1: someone in the crowd says he's about to have a
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  Speaker 1: heart attack. I still am not buying that this guy
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  Speaker 1: had an finnel O D because the find you're not
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  Speaker 1: out up and about walking around and talking to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher. If you have a finnel Od, you're passed
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  Speaker 1: out right. This true of finnel Od is a essential
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  Speaker 1: nervous system depressant and it flows down all of your
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  Speaker 1: body phones. So this guy is not having a finnel Od.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you're the MD. I'm just a JD.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what a finnel Od does, Ye pass
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  Speaker 1: out and then you die. This guy's not passing out.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a Fennel o D. Nancy. He had
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  Speaker 1: He had a lot of drugs in him on the tops,
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  Speaker 1: not just the Fennel. Are you a doctor, because I
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  Speaker 1: thought you're a j D, not an m D. I
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  Speaker 1: know you're a voice. The lay person looking at the
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  Speaker 1: video going he's having a heart attack. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you using my own words against me, fine, okay, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: but can you put it in a sound bite please,
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  Speaker 1: and not some big, long legal diatribe. What are you saying?
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  Speaker 1: From the viewpoint of the video, it certainly appears that
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  Speaker 1: mister Floyd is having a greater reaction internally on something
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  Speaker 1: one would think relative to what's going down in front
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  Speaker 1: of him. He was quite quite jacked up. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever been dragged into a car by your
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  Speaker 1: feet and pulled across claiming that you had a fake
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  Speaker 1: twenty I mean he's saying he didn't know anything about
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  Speaker 1: it being a fake twenty. I bet you throw it
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  Speaker 1: to Jason, But most of us put our hands on
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  Speaker 1: the steering wheel and just react that ray without the
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  Speaker 1: coming five. Well, yeah, I would do that because I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get shot. Okay, guys, So doctor Tim
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  Speaker 1: Gallagher before Jason Oceans injected his medical opinion, Doctor Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: when you have a Fennel od you pass out and die. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you can get jacked up like you would on meth.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You'll go into a coma, you'll have
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  Speaker 1: labor breathing, your breathing will stop, and you'll die in
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  Speaker 1: the fennel overdose. That's great. It goes from and all
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  Speaker 1: the struggle. As a Jeanette Levy is telling us what
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  Speaker 1: you just heard is just trying to get Floyd in
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  Speaker 1: the back seat. But right now he's still alive. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to more you're hearing Officer Thomas Lane's bodycam footage. Listen, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't give me, I don't give me. I can't breathe.
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  Speaker 1: I get a breathe. H h me. I just worry
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  Speaker 1: about that delirium ut whatever. When I would try cases,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're like this, Jason Nations,
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  Speaker 1: but as the witness would be talking or the sam
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  Speaker 1: would be playing. I'd keep constant eye on the jury.
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  Speaker 1: How are they reacting back and forth like a tennis match?
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  Speaker 1: Witness jury, witness jury. And as that was played, I
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  Speaker 1: looked over at Jackie here in the studio. She had
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  Speaker 1: her eyes closed and her hand driver knock like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that jury is going to be doing. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are in day one of the Derek Chauvin trial
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  Speaker 1: and the death of mister George Floyd. It culminates with
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  Speaker 1: this take a listen to Leah Beno KMSP Fox nine.
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  Speaker 1: Floyd is then escorted across the street to the waiting
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  Speaker 1: patrol car. From there we can see the struggle continue.
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  Speaker 1: It's unclear how much time passes, but next we see
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  Speaker 1: the witness video, which has now been seen around the world.
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  Speaker 1: Over the course of the next three and a half minutes,
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  Speaker 1: Floyd is heard seeing please, I can't breathe, or a
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  Speaker 1: combination of both at least fourteen times, as people on
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  Speaker 1: the sidewalk beg the officer to get off him or
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  Speaker 1: the other officers to intervene getting the car there car
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  Speaker 1: get up. Less than three and a half minutes into
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  Speaker 1: the video, Floyd goes quiet. According to the Minneapolis fire
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  Speaker 1: incident report. EMTs werecalled to the scene at eight thirty,
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  Speaker 1: arriving two minutes later. Medex performed pulse checks several times,
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  Speaker 1: finding none. Floyd's time of death at HCMC officially declared
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  Speaker 1: at nine twenty five pm to Anjeanette Lady joining US
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  Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning reporter and anchor Anjeanette was he calling
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  Speaker 1: out for his mother? Yeah, that he was crying out
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  Speaker 1: for his mother, And the prosecution said, there, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to actually have a witness that they're going to put
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  Speaker 1: on the stand for what they call spark of life testimony,
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  Speaker 1: and that's to basically put like a human to introduce
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  Speaker 1: the jury to the human being who lost their life
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  Speaker 1: in this case. And they said they will be talking
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  Speaker 1: about that why he was crying out for his mother.
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  Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace earlier we played for you
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  Speaker 1: sound where you hear an officer asking if they should
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  Speaker 1: quote roll him on his side. What's the significance of that,
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  Speaker 1: Dodgor Tim Gallagher, What would rolling mister Floyd over on
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  Speaker 1: his side have done? If anything, Well, it probably would
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  Speaker 1: have taken some of the pressure off of his rib cage,
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  Speaker 1: which would allow his muscles of breathing to work much
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  Speaker 1: better and allow him more air into his lung too.
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  Speaker 1: You Enginette Levy, Emmy Nominated Reporter and anchor. What exactly
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  Speaker 1: did the autopsy reveal a s cod cause of death. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting because it discussed that George Floyd died
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  Speaker 1: from from you know, that he died from a law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement pressure. It discussed that it was law enforcement subduel
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  Speaker 1: and view to the pressure that was applied to him,
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  Speaker 1: that he passed away from that, and that it was
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  Speaker 1: some type of cardiac issue related to that. It's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because that was the final report from the autopsy, that
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  Speaker 1: was the finding. However, there are some notes that the
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  Speaker 1: defense is probably going to cite when they questioned doctor
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  Speaker 1: Baker the Hanneton County Medical Examiners, a medical examiner, where
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  Speaker 1: he stated that absent other factors or if Floyd had
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  Speaker 1: been found at home, he would have ruled the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death. But this is what I understand, doctor Tim Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't found at home. He didn't die at home.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a drug overdose and according to the report quote
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  Speaker 1: Floyd's death was caused by the combined effects of mister
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  Speaker 1: Floyd being restrained by police, underlying health conditions and potential
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in toxicainst in his system. So it is a medical
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: examiner trying to say he would have just died on
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: his own from if you aids in a system, because
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Well, what the medical examiner here
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: is saying is that he did find something in the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: toxicology report that cannot be ignored. So it has to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: be because it's also a central nervous system depressant, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this guy died after he went into respiratory arrest, that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: this finding in the toxicology report cannot be ignored, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: then by default it has to be added to a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: contributory cause of death. It's actually there and we cannot
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: ignore it. Okay, doctor Gallagher, I know you're a medical examiner,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and there's that medical examiner on George Floyd's case. But
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Dotor Gallagher, are you trying to tell me that you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: think Lloyd would have died from a FINTEL overdose? No,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: not at all, you know. But what I'm trying to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: say here is that because his respiratory system was suppressed
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and suppressed mechanically, meaning somebody was leaning on him, this
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: drug also its effect on the body is to suppress
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the respiratory system. The drug alone in his body may
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: not have had the ability to suppress it enough to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: cause him medical problems, but with the combined effect of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the restraint and some of the influence of the drugs,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it is possible that fentinel could have been a contributing factor.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But in the law, in a criminal case, it's not possible.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It's got to be probable beyond a reasonable doubt. Floyd
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: had eleven in g slash emails a fintel in his blood.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: What does that mean, doctor Gallagher? Well, the minimum dose
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of fentanyl that we know that is fatal is three.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You can die from three nanograms of fentanyl in your
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: blood for somebody who is naive to the drug, who
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: has not built up a tolerance. So what would be
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: very beneficial in this case is to understand George Floyd's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: fentanyl use. Is he a chronic user, meaning has he
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: built up a tolerance to where now his body can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: stand eleven nanograms? So that one doctor what is a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: quote heavy heart? A heavy heart is a result of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: several diseases, most commonly high blood pressure. A heavy heart
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is any heart that weighs over four hundred and twenty
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: five or four hundred and fifty grams. In this case,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: George Floyd had one artery about seventy five blocked. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: my father was a heart patient since his late thirties.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with artery blockages and having one blocked
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: artery that's not going to cause I don't think it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: going to cause coronary thrombosis ending in death. One artery
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: block well, you have three of them, and not all
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: unless it's a window maker, right, not all of them
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: carry the same importance. You're right. You did mention the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: word widowmaker, and that's a common term that we use
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: for the heart artery called the left anterior descending coronary
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: artery runs right down in front of the heart, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that's the part of the heart that does most of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the work. So if that artery is blocked, then if
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that one artery is blocked and the heart is demanding
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: blood because now he is in a very highly emotional state,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: his heart rates increase. That one artery, that critical artery,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is now blocked to the point the blood cannot flow
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: through it. The heart is not going to get the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: bloody demands and it'll stop beating in protect What you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: have been hearing and the last twenty minutes is exactly
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: what's going to be laid out in opening statements. You're
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: going to hear that Derek Chauvin put his knee on
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: mister Floyd's neck and mister Floyd died. The jury will
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: also hear about fentanyl and mister Floyd's system, and about
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: his so called quote heavy heart at all. It's all
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: coming to a head right now in a court of law.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: This is where the rubber meets the road. We were
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: talking about the Derek Chauvin trial. It's happening now. Take
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w CCO, CBS four.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Why is the man who killed George Floyd not in jail?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: An emotional Jacob Pride demanded the arrest of former police
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: officer Derek Schauvin, and that had upon County Attorney Mike
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Freeman charged him criminally. We are not talking about a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: split second decision that was made incorrectly. The Minneapolis Fire
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Department report says EMTs were called to the scene for
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a patient that had trauma to his mouth. The report
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: goes on to say that when EMTs arrived HCMC medics
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were already working on an unresponsive pulseless mail. We've all
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: seen the shocking video of George Floyd's last moments. Now
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the attorney for Floyd's family and law enforcement are asking
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: anyone with any other videos to please come forward. This
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: video shows what the other doesn't, that all four officers
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: were at Floyd's side. Opening statements have commenced in the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: trial of officer Derek Chauvin, age forty five, in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: death of forty six year old mister George Floyd. To
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, fency expert lecturer, University Florida, host of Shattersul's podcast,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: way in what forensics are going to be brought into trial?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Karen Well, I think we've already heard from the dock
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: about most of the forensics. And you know, my job
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when I would go to a seam like this is
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to remain unbiased and objective, and it's really difficult when
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you have a case like this. But one thing I
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: do want to point out Nancy. As a retired cop,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that there is no standard operating procedure.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: There's no training in existence that would allow an officer
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to keep his knee on individual's neck or over eight minutes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: We have a use of force matrix that's used when
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: officers encounter an individual, and what I saw was passive
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: resistance in that video, and that calls for nothing more
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: than what term pain compliance, and that can be as
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: simple as bending a risk to get the handcuffs on
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a person. And after a few minutes, we saw that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: George Floyd was then prone on the ground. He did
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: not pose a threat and Derek Chauvin has his hands
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in his pocket, which is something that officers are trained
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to never do. So that tells me that there was
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely no threat from George Floyd. And you couple that
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: with the number of officers on the scene, and there's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: no reason to keep him prone on the ground like that,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: especially when you're right next to a patrol vehicle. Once
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you put your hands on a person as a police officer,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that person is now in your care and control and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the responsibility lies with that officers to ensure that person
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: safety and well being, and that was not done in
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: this case. Question to you, Karen Smith, why is it
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: SAP and officers never to put hands in pockets, because
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that is an officer safety issue. The one thing that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: people can use to attack you is their hands. That's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: why we're trained. You watch their hands. You don't watch
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: their eyes. You watch their hands. That's why you put
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: your hands on the steering wheel or on the doorframe
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: so we can see them. Officers have to keep their
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: hands free so that we can reach for a weapon
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: if we need it, so that we can put our
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: hands on that person if we need to. Crime Stories
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, the trial has started in the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: case of Derek Chauvin and you can see it live
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: not only at crime online dot com where we're streaming
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: at live, but also on Court TV. Joining me right
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: now is police psychologist faculty Saint Leo University research consultant
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: with the Blue Wall Institute, doctor Jory Crasen, Doctor Crowsen.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us way and please Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: The first thing that really came to my mind when
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I watched a video and listened to it was Floyd's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: going through psychological distress and there were no calming techniques
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: even once they got him under control, and especially if
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he's clusterphobic and he's got drugs in his system. The
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: clusterphobia any kind of a fear or a phobia gets
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: really blown out of proportion when you're under the louns
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of drugs. Putting him in the car, you could tell
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: he's in a full blown fighter flight survival mode. So
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of course that's going to accelerate his heart, his respiratorial system,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: all of that. You know, they could have, like they said,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: when he add him down on the side, sitting on
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the road there, start calming his techniques applying those. There
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: was no way that I think he was gonna willingly
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: give that car, And even if he did, I could
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: almost guarantee he would be thrashing around, he'd be striking
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: his head. You know, there was just win, like you said, Degenerator,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: from that point forward, Guys at crime online dot com,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you can watch the Derek Chauvin trial live right now.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It all will be in the hands of twelve grs
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to doctor Jorry crows In, what do you think this
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: jury is going through and what emotional impact is this
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: going to have on them? We expect their opening statements frankly,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to last at least one full day, if not longer.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: They're going to be really under some serious stress, not
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: only for you know, the evidence that they're going to view,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: what they're going to hear, but also the ramifications that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to come up with and way
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and bring out in their verdict and to you Internet, Levy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: tell me how long I've heard rumors of opening statements
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: lasting one to two days. Is that even possible? I mean,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: lawyers can talk, they can talk for a long time,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm going to judge. K
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Hill has been very flexible, but I don't know. That
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: sounds like a really long time. I don't know if
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that's even necessary. You know, it's a case where you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: have the whole you know, the whole incident on videotape
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and on several videotapes or I guess I should say
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: video files. So how you would need that long? I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: just don't know how anybody would need that. I'm not
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sure either, but I do expect this, Jason Oceans. I
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: expect there have been emotions in lemony to keep certain
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: evidence out and evidencial you're hearing is ahead of trial
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to get certain evidence in. But you have to do
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: if you want that evidence to come in your opening statement,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Otherwise you'll have to wait for the witness to take
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the stand to get that in that evidence introduced. So
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I expect for these body cam videos to be played
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: in opening statements, maybe by both sides. What do you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: think it's entirely possible, Nancy? I think that's I know
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it's possible. What you think, I'm telling you, I think
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it might very well happen. It does not usually, Man,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you want to go to Rosco a man, because you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: can sure slip out of an answer. Hey, that's criminal defense.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It's the nuance of it all. But I tell you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it falls down man, it's Nancy. It falls down to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the interpretation. And just as mentioned before, the jurors are
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: going to feel that intense pressure. How they react to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the video and or any you know, toxicology or other evidence.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: That nuance, some of that will be very significant. So
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I would be prized if both put in doctor joy Crowson.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I hear what doctor Gallagher is saying about the heart
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: ailment and the fentanyl, and I know the fentyl was
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a lot in his system. But that visual, the visual
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of Chauvin hands in his pockets looking off the other
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: way with his knee in Floyd's neck, I just can't
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: get around that visual. That's gonna be very powerful and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: even as a police officer, you know, like it's already said,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you don't put your hands in your pocket. That's such
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a nonchalant. The man is dying and he's got his
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: hands in his pocket. It's like he's gonna check time.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: The man is dying under his knee. Yeah, very hard
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to overcome. I don't know how you get around that, guys.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: The George Floyd Derek chauven trial is happening now. You
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: can see it live at crime online dot com. We
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: will bring bringing you updates throughout the day. Well, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: can say this, whether the courthouse falls down around them,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: they must render a verdict that speaks truth. Nancy Gray's
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,