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Eye dominance in archery/ Lift, Run, Shoot with Cam Hanes, stories about James · The Bow Disciples Podcast

• 0:00
  Well, I'll tell you guys what, it's been a real pleasure today.
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  Very nice temperature temperature.
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  I would disagree. A little toasty.
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  You know, I would. I would also disagree.
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  I do not feel. It was only like 105 more.
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  If only that's not too bad. Terrible 105.
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  The sweat in my leggings would disagree that it felt good.
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  Long pants was a crazy choice, I will say that.
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  Yeah, I just, yeah, they're so comfy.
• 0:33
  Yeah, sure, but not when they're blazing hot, you know?
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  You're in a sauna in your in your pants, you know.
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  I can understand. I honestly I don't think it
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  would have made a difference. I was in shorts and I was still
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  so hot. Also.
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  I feel the secret is the cut off teeth.
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  Cut off, yeah. Muscle, teeth, kind of.
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  Absorb a lot of the sweat though, you know, So like other
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  like otherwise there's that like nasty feeling of it, just like
• 0:57
  rolling down your legs feels like you've peed yourself.
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  It's not great. Well, I'll tell you the most
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  exciting part is after this pod we get to hit the pool and cool
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  down, which that I'm excited for.
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  That'll be nice. That'll be very nice.
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  Lounge in the pool. That sounds so nice.
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  It's going to be there going. To be like 700 children in the
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  pool. Maybe, but we can we can hit the
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  other pool though if we. Yeah, there is another.
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  Small. The other pool is more low.
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  Key. OK, yeah.
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  I mean, I don't have anything against children.
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  I'm just mentally preparing for them.
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  No, it's a lot. It's a lot.
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  It's a lot. Yeah.
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  So new guest. Yes, Ashley, your guys first
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  time meeting. And here's the fun part about
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  this. We've been friends for like 18
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  years. Yeah, A.
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  Long time, a long time, you know that's.
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  Over half our lives. Realistically probably one of my
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  first like female friends other than this girl Brittany who I
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  went to daycare with and we're like.
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  Five, she had me be a little. Bit but other than that, like I
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  would say you were my first like long term girlfriend that I
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  stayed in touch with for a long time, which is kind.
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  Of Yeah, because you came to Calvin when I was a Were you a
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  sophomore when I was a junior? No, I was a freshman.
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  You're a freshman. OK, So I was a sophomore.
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  Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, So pretty wild.
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  We always stayed in touch and had a had a good vibe, you know,
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  good fun vibe. Well, I hear it didn't quite
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  start out like that, though. I hear you know, James, you
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  might not have been the most pleasant person at the time.
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  I don't know why James had some. I still to this day don't know
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  what I did wrong, but James called me a bitch whenever he
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  saw me for like straight three months.
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  I don't. Think you probably did anything
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  wrong? I think James went through a
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  point in life so I've I've come to understand from stories where
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  I think he just felt like that was cool.
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  Just a lot of angst. 14 year old boy with a bowl cut.
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  My bowl cut. We should flash the picture of
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  us on the bike right here in the pod.
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  Maybe we will. Yeah.
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  Yeah. My bowl cut was not it.
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  No. Maybe that was the source of the
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  problem. Yeah, I was trying to get, like,
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  attention from women for a lot of years and I was getting none.
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  And you didn't think maybe the bulk?
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  Would have been the bulk. And that like.
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  Fever cut with. Your but your ultra.
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  Straight hair, but. It was like white blonde too.
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  Yeah, it looked so. It was so cut, so straight.
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  Yeah, I look like Elton John, but with like, crazy blonde.
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  Hair. There's a period I feel like in
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  some of the photos it had like it got long enough that you had
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  somewhat of a vision to it for like a true Bieber cut that.
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  Was better than the like bangs. Yeah, I started with, like she
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  said, the straight like curtains of bangs.
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  Well, he has this thing now which?
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  Girl is actually popular for girls now is the bangs that I
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  had. Women have that.
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  Now you're a male. Yeah, that's the. 1.
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  I had it early, you know. You're the actual trendsetter of
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  the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Back in the day. Saw it on you and that's what it
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  looks like a male. Maybe it'll look better on a
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  female. Yeah.
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  He he sported a little while back.
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  Yeah, what he calls a mullet. It was really more like a faux
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  hawk kind of thing, 'cause it was still like longer on the top
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  and it was just only short on like the side.
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  OK. So it was a fan favorite.
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  Thing, but it was almost for the most part the same length all
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  the way. Controversial opinion.
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  I love a mullet. The.
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  Fans loved it. The fans loved it.
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  I. Don't.
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  Love watching a mullet? She didn't love it.
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  See, I, I, I, I. Well.
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  Just imagine those bangs that he had.
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  Oh, but I had them back though. But then the majority of the
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  time that you didn't have a pound of Hairspray in it, it was
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  not pulled back. And so then he just had those
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  like straight bangs. This is fake news.
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  You cannot find a video where I have this, no.
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  Because we styled it for the videos, but you know, I'm going
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  to. Wake up to you with your bang,
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  yeah? I said you are.
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  That is not happening again unless he goes, but he refuses
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  to pay for a haircut. I said unless you go and
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  professionally get this thing cut.
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  So it's a true Mohawk or a mullet.
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  Yeah, is not because the one you had.
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  Before. Well, see, I had the I had the
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  matte shadows inspired one where it was like here and then the
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  sides were shaved like down to the skin.
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  So it was like, no, it was like it was, it was a Mohawk, you
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  know? But I will say the viewers loved
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  it. It was a popular haircut.
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  Maybe my most popular personality.
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  For sure where? People like what does that mean?
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  The viewers love the haircut. Would they comment James?
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  Love the hair. People have said bring it back
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  many times and I want to, but Brianna fights me tooth and
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  nails. Well, it sounds like she's
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  willing to make a compromise. You just have to go get it.
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  Perfect. But I want the.
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  I want the kind of ragged looking one.
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  You know, but if you got a perm. I, I will say, I will say one of
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  the so one of the funniest comments I ever saw when I had
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  the mullet was a guy left a comment and said this guy for
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  sure has the award for the YouTube with the worst mullet.
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  That is, that was the. Truth, so the fans loved that
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  was the only one. That guy wasn't a fan though, he
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  was saying. I think it was all like people
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  thought it was so funny. They thought it as they would
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  say it fucks, but it it was because it was funny, not
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  because it looked. I feel that's a bit stuff.
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  It was preposterous, it really was.
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  I support whatever hairstyle you want.
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  James even makes the. Bowl cut She.
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  Used to do my hair actually. I would say the first time I got
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  like a good fashionable haircut, she gave it to me.
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  I really think so. Maybe.
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  We should drive you to Saint George every time you need a
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  haircut. Yeah.
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  I mean, we did it anyways. We just had Nick cutting it, so.
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  Oh. Nick actually is very good at
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  haircuts. Yeah, OK.
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  I feel like I've seen his haircuts that he's done on you
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  and he does a pretty good job. He like, knows how to fade in
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  there. He's my best haircut.
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  He can fade. He does a really good like cut
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  line like socket giving change the line.
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  Like, Matt's pretty good, Brianna's pretty good, but
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  Nick's definitely the best. OK, yeah, he's very good at
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  giving the haircut. I think honestly, it's because
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  he's a welder. So they have such like still
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  have. Oh, probably you.
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  Know like I think. Precise like probably attention
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  to detail. Very sense like he would cut a
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  line and like fade the line, like just do cool stuff.
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  So but anyway, we're here to talk about archery.
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  It's archery podcast. There's one of my bows right
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  there and this one we're giving away.
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  I don't know if it's in the shot or not, but go to the website
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  motorcycles.com. Purchase any item be entered to
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  win that bow, which I think is pretty exciting.
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  Right. Yeah, but for you, you shot a
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  bow for the 1st. Time I did.
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  Ever. You never shot a bow not a
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  single time in your whole life? No.
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  OK, so tell me about this, because obviously you've known
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  me a long time. So you knew about shooting bows
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  for a long time, but you never done it?
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  Yes. Give me your thoughts.
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  When you first just held the bow, were you like, oh, this is
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  going to be a disaster or like, how did you feel?
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  So I felt pretty good, but like, well, I guess I didn't really
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  think about holding it. My worry was my eyes.
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  Like, I know that my eyes aren't great and I know that I'm left
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  eye dominant and I was shooting right-handed, so I think I was
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  kind of hyper focused on trying to figure out my eyeballs.
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  Yeah, but I mean it, it wasn't too hard.
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  Yeah, in general. What did you think was like,
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  what would you say? Was this the part of the process
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  or just like shooting in general that like maybe caught you off
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  guard the most that you didn't expect?
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  Like whether physically or visually, Like was there one
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  part of it that you're like, I didn't think you'd feel like
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  this or. Look like stupid left arm that
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  was locking out. I didn't think that would be an
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  issue. And for women that's super
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  common. Like it's almost every girl.
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  That's weird. Isn't it on my elbows
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  hyperextend? So I guess it's like I tend to
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  just naturally hyperextend my arm.
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  And there are shooters that are like one of the best shooters in
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  the world. Her name's Paige.
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  Paige, she shoots with an elbow like that.
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  But you got to kind of adjust your bow and you're shooting
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  around in a little bit. But most people will teach to
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  have like, a little bit of like how I was teaching to have that
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  bow. But for some people, that's
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  really, really hard to do. For you, I know you can do it
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  because I was watching you make the adjustment.
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  But it was funny to watch when your mind would get like a
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  little bit unfocused. That was like the first thing to
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  evaporate in your form. You know, which are you struggle
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  with that. When we first met a little bit
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  of doing the elbow and then struggling to keep it like bent
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  when Bruce would try to teach you what what made it because
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  now you shoot very consistently with a good elbow position.
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  But what? What, what helped you make that
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  turn? I don't know.
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  I mean, I would probably say just say that like I'm not
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  double jointed. So I think it's a lot easier for
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  it to not creep back in for me because I can't give that extra
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  extension, especially when like the whole like big part of the
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  process is the push and the pull.
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  And so when you're concentrating on doing that, it's very easy
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  for the push to become over excessive and I can't over
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  extend. So it's just like it's either
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  straight before it's bent. Yeah.
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  And the only time it creeps back in is when I get tired and then
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  the shoulder comes up so then the arm straightens out.
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  Getting tired is a big thing in any sport, but especially, you
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  know, in archery. You can just see it.
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  So visually when someone starts to get tired and before we drop
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  the poundage on that bow, like you and me both could see it.
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  She was like getting worn out and shaking.
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  And it's not a draw because the draw was easy.
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  Like the draw was just the hole. It's the holding it for so long
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  to think through you. Can't learn?
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  The face, the nose, the. Arm.
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  You know, and then the longest portion trying to focus on like
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  getting sight through your bad eye, focusing through the bad
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  eye. So like eventually then you stop
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  thinking about everything else and then once you relax and that
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  pressure is not there, then it starts to shake because
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  everything wants to creep back in and.
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  Close, yeah. And I think that that is a very
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  valuable part of the video we did actually is because I think
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  a lot of times when people go to learn archery, they wanna that
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  for some reason there's like this ego thing in your head of
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  like, oh, I need to pull this many pounds.
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  I'm soft. And it's like, well, in reality
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  you should pull it and you can shoot 1000 times until you're
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  comfortable and have the muscle memory and know what you're
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  doing and then gradually. Which though for women who
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  talked about this an enormous amount of times, they feel like
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  maybe not as much in the pod, but in videos is that like, you
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  just can't take that sacrifice because.
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  At least. At least if you want to go in
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  immediately into hunting, if you're good enough at shooting
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  because you could do it all day long at the range, you know who,
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  who cares? But when you put a live animal,
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  that's, you know, life or suffering.
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  Depends on you. You need the poundage.
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  So like that's like mine, like I Max out after.
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  I've never counted how many shots we should do that in a
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  video. Like how many times can I shoot
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  my bow before I can't draw it back?
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  Before you get tired, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But like even even then I think like for people that are just
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  trying to get reps through a bow, I would suggest dropping
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  the poundage way down and getting used to it and gradually
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  building up. That way when you are ready
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  down, your muscle memory is so dialed you can crank up the
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  poundage and you know how to get to your anchor quicker.
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  So like I talked about the video, you're not holding the
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  draw as long because I think I certainly noticed it watching
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  you. And I'm not sure if you felt it,
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  but like as you started to do the process faster, you were
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  getting so much more comfortable and less shaky.
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  At least it looked like. Yeah, I mean, I definitely
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  noticed when you made the adjustment, it was a lot easier
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  to hold it because I noticed my back arm was kind of trying to
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  pull full, like I couldn't keep it back.
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  Yeah, which was interesting. But then you typically one would
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  like just slowly increase. What is it called?
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  Poundage, drop poundage, Yeah. As they like progress in the
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  sport, right? It's like that's something
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  you're going to want to do is like start light, get good form
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  doing that and then Yep. Exactly.
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  And that's the only reason it's creeping forward is.
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  Is. You think like, that's weird.
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  The Bose, you know, it's a lighter draw weight.
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  Yeah, poundage, but it's because it's lighter.
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  So you like immediately, like you're like, oh, that was easy.
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  No need to focus on that anymore.
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  Let's focus on here, here and here.
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  But then you stop focusing on this because it felt so light.
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  Well, now you're not putting any tension here.
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  So all he wants to do is jump forward.
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  And so like it has to always like until it becomes a
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  subconscious thing, it always has to be a conscious thought
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  that's like on a constant loop, while everything else is a
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  checkpoint, a checkpoint, a checkpoint, finger put pressure
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  and release. But like that one has to be on a
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  loop because otherwise, especially bows, like you said
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  that that bow was a little jumpy, like it had no not much
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  back wall. So like if you don't think about
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  it, it just wants to hop forward.
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  Yeah, and I, I will say one thing she did that's very rare
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  for someone with ten shots under their belt is like she was doing
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  a lot of surprise breaks, you know, like you could tell she
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  didn't know the shot was going off.
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  Usually when you teach someone new, they're just like slapping
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  the trigger and like there's no like pulling.
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  You really were like building tension.
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  And when the release broke you, you didn't know.
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  Like you didn't know it was coming, which is that?
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  That seems so weird. Like, what did you do?
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  I want to be scared. Yeah.
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  Because Brianna scare myself. Because.
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  Like Brianna doesn't shoot that. I do not shoot right when she I
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  command the shoot. So I I make the shotgun and.
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  She she has shot like that, she's been coached by the master
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  at teaching that technique, but she's has trouble like applying
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  it long term and for you to just do it your first few tries is
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  very uncommon. They say it's the best way to.
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  Start just slapping the trigger and you actually started by like
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  what Joel teaches, building pressure and breaking the shot.
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  Yeah. Well, I will say it was not on
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  purpose. But it's good like.
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  What he would say it shouldn't be on perfect.
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  Yeah, he always says, like, you want to move the trigger so slow
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  that you can stop it and then, like, try to feel it move, and
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  then it's just like your mind can't anticipate it going on.
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  OK. And you were doing that.
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  Yeah. Because when she would break a
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  shot, I would watch her like do the blink.
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  He talks about right after. Yeah, which is what you want if
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  you're. Going to I just literally don't
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  blink at all. Yeah.
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  Which is why I'm not surprised breaking on command shooting,
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  but. Which I do kind of a mix but.
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  You know, I I loved I do. If I could figure out how to do
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  it and do it all the time, I think it would have to literally
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  take a break from hunting season and do nothing but practice all
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  of the time, blind bailing and shooting like that to ingrain it
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  into myself. But it's so ingrained in me to
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  just like at least now I do put pressure like you'll very
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  rarely, I think see me. Just like open air.
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  It anymore, yeah. But I used to, yeah.
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  But now you do build pressure for sure, yeah.
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  But pressure is definitely like what you're doing is the way to
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  go, 'cause you would think like, Oh well, like you flinch, you're
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  scared, like it wouldn't that affect the shot?
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  But you're actually the shot. The arrow's coming out so fast
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  out of the bow, like hundreds of feet a second, that the air is
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  gone by the time your body has time to pass that.
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  That's why it's so bad. Whereas if you command, shoot
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  and. You're you're flinching before
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  the arrow goes off. That's the difference.
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  So you know it's coming. You're not scared.
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  But that's you're, you're you're you're, I think he calls it like
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  a precognition movement or something like you're reacting
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  prior to the arrow going off. So now that like your pin's here
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  and then like, you don't notice it, but like, it's over here
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  when you break the shot. OK, so you like, flinch and
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  you're you are flinching, but you're flinching as the arrow's
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  already at the target. OK, yeah.
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  So it's not moving coming out of the bow.
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  But see, I I you know not that I disagree with that method.
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  It's really worth watching. If you do archery you should
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  watch the video I did with Joel. OK.
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  And I I think it's like it's very interesting because it's
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  super scientific, like how he talks about it.
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  And I'm just kind of curious like, you know, you do a lot of
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  sports now and even growing up you did kind of a fair amount of
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  sports like when you were kids. But I know you have some
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  interest in trying to like at some point bow hunt.
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  What, what makes you interested in the at like in the thought of
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  hunting sometime? Like is it the meat?
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  Is it the challenge? Is it both?
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  Is it like what? What is it that kind of makes
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  you interested? So there's like a bunch of
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  factors. One, the meat wasn't really a
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  factor in it, which I didn't feel right in going hunting
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  unless I was going to be able to eat the meat until recently
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  because I only recently started eating meat again after being
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  vegetarian for like a decade. Oh wow.
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  But I think what draws me to it the most is like, I love the
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  process of something being hard and the reward at the end.
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  So like with my running or like triathlon, all of that, like it
• 18:24
  sucks and it's hard. But then when you pass the
• 18:26
  finish line or you complete it, you have all of this training or
• 18:29
  all all of this time, effort and energy spent in the process of
• 18:33
  getting to that point. And so I feel like hunting is
• 18:36
  very similar where it's like it's challenging, like it takes
• 18:42
  a lot of discipline and then you there's a reward.
• 18:45
  But with hunting, like the reward is something that you can
• 18:47
  actually utilize after the fact, where like I do a long race, I
• 18:53
  pass the finish line and it's like, oh cool.
• 18:56
  I have this medal to look at. Yeah, I have this participation
• 18:59
  medal. I won't let me think.
• 19:01
  Right. But there's no, like, reward
• 19:04
  really for it, other than just like a nice rush of dopamine and
• 19:08
  bragging rights. But yeah.
• 19:09
  Yeah, I did it. That's so true.
• 19:11
  Like I think that's what I've always, I love a lot of things
• 19:15
  about hunting, but the meat is huge to me because that's like a
• 19:19
  huge part of my diet And it's so much better than like a farm
• 19:23
  raised chicken or farm raised beef or even a farm raised elk
• 19:26
  or deer is not the same as a wild animal that's out there to
• 19:30
  survive. And none of them make it to old
• 19:33
  age. Like that doesn't happen
• 19:35
  usually, very, very rarely. They're usually dying of
• 19:39
  sickness or getting struck by lightning or getting killed by a
• 19:42
  Mountain Lion or a bear or a hunter or like another buck.
• 19:46
  Like, you know, that happens all the time.
• 19:47
  So like, their whole life is to survive.
• 19:49
  So it's very, very hard. And when you pull it off, it's
• 19:52
  so cool. Like, you open our freezer, it's
• 19:54
  full of game meat and a Coos deer head right now.
• 19:56
  But like, you know, like it. I love going in the freezer,
• 20:00
  picking out a deer and elk, reading it and go, all right,
• 20:03
  OK. And I remember which elk it was,
• 20:05
  which story it was. And then I get to live off it.
• 20:09
  Like that's such an extra added thing that you don't really get
• 20:13
  in any other. Like I don't really call hunting
• 20:16
  a sport, but like, I guess you'd call it a sport.
• 20:19
  You don't get that in anything else other than like gardening.
• 20:22
  Like maybe in gardening you kind of get that a little bit.
• 20:24
  But you know, I think that's a cool factor.
• 20:27
  And I do think it's like the hardest thing to do is bow
• 20:30
  hunting. Like I think it's, it's so hard
• 20:34
  to do because the animals only job in life is to survive.
• 20:38
  So the wind's got to be perfect. They can't see you, they can't
• 20:41
  hear you. You got to get within 40 yards
• 20:43
  up. I'm like, that is almost
• 20:45
  impossible to do and then make a good shot when your adrenaline's
• 20:49
  like through the roof. Like it's so difficult.
• 20:52
  So when all of it works, it's just like it's a feeling you
• 20:56
  can't replicate. You know, I think you would
• 20:58
  agree with that. Like when you shot your, you
• 21:01
  know, Buck this year in January, like we, we put a lot of effort
• 21:05
  into that, spent like 3 hours on the stock.
• 21:08
  We got in there, kind of went in different ways of snow and
• 21:12
  raining. And then it happens and it's
• 21:13
  like you can't. What you're feeling in your
• 21:16
  person, you can't replicate. And sometimes like some people
• 21:20
  have different levels of like called buck fever or whatever,
• 21:26
  and sometimes you think you've outgrown it.
• 21:27
  And then like for whatever reason, the situation, I feel
• 21:31
  like it's probably similar to like what you'll feel at the end
• 21:33
  of a race. It's just like this enormous
• 21:37
  rush of adrenaline and like it's while you're sitting there, it's
• 21:43
  while you're hearing noises all like leading up to it and then
• 21:46
  after it happens like they even the one before that buck the
• 21:50
  Coos the year before. I've never shaken so bad,
• 21:54
  hunting or otherwise in my whole life.
• 21:56
  And you'll see it in the video. I'm just like, I couldn't stop
• 22:00
  myself. I was like look like a person
• 22:01
  with crack cocaine. It was insane.
• 22:05
  So it's definitely like, even if you like you minimally go
• 22:11
  through the meat or whatever, just like I don't think it's a
• 22:16
  bad reason to do it for the sake of like wanting that challenge
• 22:20
  because like, what better way to get your food than the most
• 22:24
  original way to get your food, the most challenging way to get
• 22:27
  your food, you know? Yeah, I just think it's it's
• 22:30
  good for like the psyche to be like, you're reminded every day
• 22:33
  that you eat that, but like you put so much effort into making
• 22:37
  that happen for yourself. And I think that like human
• 22:40
  nature, we're so humans now, I should say we're so far away
• 22:43
  from that. Like, I want something.
• 22:45
  I go to the grocery store that's like .2 miles from my house.
• 22:48
  I grab like a thing of meat and I put it in my cart and then I
• 22:51
  cook. It yeah, I think there's
• 22:52
  something so strange about the people.
• 22:54
  It's I want to go back to the vegetarian topic in a little
• 22:56
  bit, but so strange about the people who like are fervently
• 23:04
  against hunters or getting your meat that way, whatever form of
• 23:09
  hunting you do it in. Because it's like my mind would
• 23:13
  like to think that like give them the one opportunity where
• 23:16
  they do do it. Like they bring someone along
• 23:18
  with you and they don't think they're going to like it or what
• 23:21
  not. Granted, they would, I think,
• 23:22
  need to be successful in the the hunt to to realize it, but I
• 23:26
  think their whole mindset would change because of those levels
• 23:30
  of adrenaline and dopamine. Everything that you get once you
• 23:34
  do it, it's like, this is what like being a human is like this
• 23:40
  what you're supposed to do, but they have to actually experience
• 23:44
  it. But they're people I think that
• 23:45
  that wouldn't happen for. And I'm like, I'm just like,
• 23:48
  what has mentally changed in brains that make people think
• 23:52
  that that's not OK anymore? So like, how do you think we
• 23:55
  did? McDonald's didn't always exist.
• 23:57
  Like, Publix didn't always exist, you know, So even if you
• 24:02
  weren't the one, you know, you weren't hunting it, but maybe
• 24:05
  you're just slaughtering the cow in your backyard like, it's
• 24:08
  still your pet. Until it wasn't your pet and it
• 24:10
  was your dinner. Yeah, that should be a normal
• 24:13
  thought, but it's not. So that's why I wanted to be
• 24:16
  far. Removed from it, yeah.
• 24:18
  It's like it's, I mean, how many?
• 24:21
  There's not a lot of bow hunters out there and I think it's a
• 24:24
  growing sport from what I've noticed.
• 24:25
  But in general, like there are a lot more people who don't bow
• 24:28
  hunt or don't hunt at all versus do.
• 24:31
  Yeah, if you compare hunter to non.
• 24:32
  Hunting. Hunting's, believe it or not,
• 24:34
  actually declining in numbers, but.
• 24:36
  But if you compare hunters to non hunters, there's an enormous
• 24:39
  amount of non hunters. No, of course.
• 24:41
  But I'm saying like hunters as a whole was actually declined over
• 24:43
  the years. But I think it's become socially
• 24:47
  more understood because I always say that even vegans, I think
• 24:52
  often times like that I've spoken to kind of respect
• 24:57
  hunting, even though obviously they like do something different
• 25:01
  because they think like, oh, that is a more organic way to do
• 25:06
  it than like. It's a way more as someone who
• 25:09
  was a vegan for a while and vegetarian hunting is a lot more
• 25:12
  humane than farm raised by far. Like Farm raised, that animal
• 25:16
  lives a horrible life. Not always, like there are a lot
• 25:19
  of free range cattle. To OK, yeah, it's important, I
• 25:21
  should say. But like, there are some that
• 25:23
  certainly are are live. Awful lot, but then are you
• 25:26
  paying an extra number for there's a difference in free
• 25:30
  range farm raised and then like grass?
• 25:34
  Bed, grass bed. It's like the square, yeah.
• 25:37
  Was it with you that I watched this?
• 25:38
  It's like the square footage that the animal has determines
• 25:42
  whether it's like grass fed, farm raised, free range.
• 25:46
  And like even I think it's farm raised or whatever.
• 25:49
  It's like, I don't, I don't want to don't misquote me here, but
• 25:53
  it's like a ridiculously small number that's considered farm
• 25:56
  raised. So I'm like that animal still
• 25:59
  living on top of like 1000 other chickens, you know, the only one
• 26:04
  that actually looks like they live a somewhat like replicable
• 26:07
  life of a normal wild animal or cow or whatever is free range.
• 26:13
  And so it's like, yeah, that's why I was like, So what, what
• 26:16
  was your decision? Was it just for like health
• 26:18
  purposes or like moral purposes of doing vegan and vegetarian?
• 26:23
  Because I did out of college, I did three years of vegan life.
• 26:27
  And mine was almost more from a moral standpoint of like I felt
• 26:32
  bad about killing. It was weird that I then became.
• 26:34
  100. I again like.
• 26:36
  That's why I think if you do it once, you do it once, you're
• 26:39
  like. Like what?
• 26:40
  A natural. Funny way to do it, like they're
• 26:42
  just chilling there in front of you, like eating their grass.
• 26:45
  And they lived a normal life and they had fun and they played
• 26:48
  with other deer and like they had no idea it was coming.
• 26:51
  And then boom, text 10 seconds later like he's dead.
• 26:55
  He felt no pain. Like it's over versus like the
• 26:58
  stress that even a cow feels being shuffled into the the line
• 27:02
  before it's shot in the forehead with an air gun.
• 27:04
  Like the moral thing is what made me do the vegan thing for
• 27:07
  three years. So like, what made you do it?
• 27:11
  I guess Like, did you, did you have any qualms with people who
• 27:15
  ate meat or just for health purposes?
• 27:17
  Not at all. So I never did it from like a
• 27:20
  moral standpoint. Actually, how I became
• 27:22
  vegetarian is I made a bet with someone on my dive team of who
• 27:28
  could go without meat the longest.
• 27:30
  I obviously won. I'm really committed that I
• 27:34
  think he went two weeks, 10 years.
• 27:36
  Later you weren't talking to any of them and you're like, I'm
• 27:39
  still like I. Beat you guys.
• 27:43
  No, I think so. That's how it started and I just
• 27:46
  felt better not eating meat. Just like felt lighter and like
• 27:53
  my body felt better initially. And I still can't eat a lot of
• 27:58
  meat. Like I, I eat a lot of fish.
• 28:01
  Like I've I've eaten that for the last maybe like six or seven
• 28:05
  years. Ish.
• 28:08
  But even now, like I can't really eat chicken.
• 28:12
  Like it makes my joints hurt. That sounds like super weird,
• 28:15
  but that's like what happens. And apparently it's something
• 28:18
  that can happen to people. I don't know.
• 28:22
  But yeah, it was never like a moral thing.
• 28:24
  It was more so I just, like, tried it as part of a bet and
• 28:26
  then felt better. Being vegan, though, I got
• 28:29
  really sick. So like, my iron levels got
• 28:31
  super low. I wasn't very healthy.
• 28:33
  So then I switched to being vegetarian.
• 28:35
  And then probably like two months ago, I started eating
• 28:38
  like Turkey. So I'm like slowly trying to
• 28:41
  introduce. It back in.
• 28:42
  Meat back in and really started doing that because I put so much
• 28:46
  strain on my body, like I need protein in order to recover.
• 28:50
  And I was noticing I wasn't recovering as quickly as I
• 28:53
  should. Yeah.
• 28:54
  And as soon as I started adding in meat again, like my body is
• 28:58
  recovering and working much better than it was prior.
• 29:02
  So I mean, I'm kind of always playing around with my diet.
• 29:05
  But now that I'm like eating meat again, I'm like, OK, I
• 29:09
  would feel like OK going hunting because I would hate to go
• 29:12
  hunting and not eat the meat. Like, I think that that's a gap.
• 29:15
  And I wonder how you would react maybe?
• 29:16
  Even that's the thing, all hunters, like everyone who
• 29:19
  hunts, hunts for the meat like first and foremost.
• 29:22
  Like that's why hunters do it, you know, And I think like
• 29:25
  that's a common misconception is that like a lot of people like
• 29:28
  just trophy hunt. You see that deer on the wall
• 29:31
  there and you're like, oh, you didn't eat the deer, but that.
• 29:33
  Yeah, I did. That's just foam inside, you
• 29:36
  know, like all the meat is in the freezer.
• 29:38
  Like I ate the deer and all those ones and this one, like I
• 29:42
  ate them all, you know, or like somebody did my family or
• 29:45
  friends or or whatever. So that's always the first
• 29:48
  thing. And as long as, you know, when
• 29:50
  you go hunting, you're like, yeah, I want to introduce this
• 29:53
  to my diet and, and. Well, that's what I wonder how?
• 29:57
  Well, like, I must wonder if you would receive they gave me
• 30:02
  better than like a processed chicken or whatnot because
• 30:05
  they're so lean. And then you can determine like
• 30:09
  whether you process yourself or, you know, some of like say James
• 30:12
  processed or meat for you or something.
• 30:13
  You take the processor and you tell them like, I only want this
• 30:16
  percent of fat added to the, you know, the because they do add
• 30:21
  like regular fat to it because it is so lean.
• 30:24
  But I wonder if you kept it lean, you know?
• 30:27
  Yeah. And it's raw.
• 30:28
  There's no chemicals in it. So it's like.
• 30:30
  Like no antibiotics, no steroids, they.
• 30:33
  Live up the lane. Unless maybe you like kill a
• 30:35
  deer that lives on like a cornfield, then you see in that
• 30:39
  corn that's fertilized, it's you know, chemicals are added to to
• 30:43
  grow it so quickly. But right.
• 30:44
  But like he's only. Like the only look at look at
• 30:47
  the deer I just shot. You know he lived in the desert
• 30:49
  probably his whole life. You know that deer is not eating
• 30:53
  anything other than the natural resources out there on the.
• 30:56
  Hill punched on some hydration tactics.
• 30:58
  No GMOs, no hormones, no steroids.
• 31:01
  You know, like, that's going back to what, like our ancestors
• 31:07
  ate, you know, not this. The chicken breasts are not
• 31:11
  supposed to be as big as they are now.
• 31:12
  Not, not even close. Look at.
• 31:14
  The Turkey laying bushes. Where is that fair?
• 31:17
  He's the same size he would have been 200 years ago.
• 31:20
  Yeah. But maybe even smaller now just
• 31:23
  because the scarcity of food sources for them.
• 31:25
  But like, think of like the Turkey lay you get at Disney or
• 31:30
  at the fair, and it's like you look here, like, is this a damn
• 31:34
  ostrich leg? Like what?
• 31:36
  Turkey has a lot a leg that big. Because they're taking growth.
• 31:40
  Hormone. And steroids and peptides, like
• 31:43
  they're taking all sorts. Of shit, the meat industry is a
• 31:46
  business. It's a very profitable business
• 31:47
  where they can get animals to get as big as possible with like
• 31:52
  the biggest. Meat.
• 31:53
  Cheapest cost for feed? Yeah.
• 31:55
  So I was just at like that ship Commission that just in Texas
• 32:00
  went and we toured the King Ranch and everything we get to
• 32:02
  see like their cattle and whatnot.
• 32:04
  So we take the tour and at the end they tell you like about how
• 32:07
  the ranch process wise works. They only again, I'll give you
• 32:11
  like an estimate. It's like 4 to 600 lbs is what
• 32:15
  that cow gets to before he goes to the feed farm on the ranch.
• 32:20
  So like they live a free range life until they reach that
• 32:24
  weight. Then they go to the feed farm
• 32:27
  where they eat nothing but like fried corn.
• 32:30
  It's like heated fried corn. They go in like a month's time
• 32:36
  from 4 to 600 lbs to 1200. Pounds.
• 32:40
  So his whole life he only made it to four to 600 lbs.
• 32:44
  That cow then double S or triples its weight in a month.
• 32:47
  To like 3. Months time before they get set
• 32:50
  to start. Oh yeah.
• 32:51
  I mean the ranch is one of like the most well known one in the
• 32:55
  world. So like the meat is like they go
• 32:58
  through the biggest diagnostic process to like ensure that the
• 33:03
  no like they blood draw their cow.
• 33:05
  They do all this crazy stuff to make sure like the lines are
• 33:08
  good, like the the lineage lines of the cows and whatnot.
• 33:12
  Yeah, yeah. But Can you imagine that like
• 33:16
  he's still only naturally we reached 1/2 or 1/3 of his weight
• 33:21
  to what he actually got to to go off to?
• 33:25
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think they've actually
• 33:31
  changed. Like I'm sure if a vegan ever
• 33:34
  got ahold of this podcasting so we'd get fat checked the lot
• 33:37
  but. There'll be some farmers in the
• 33:39
  comments too. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:41
  Which I love. But they have updated the ways
• 33:44
  in which or some places have the way in which they do like
• 33:47
  process the cow at the end because they did come like
• 33:51
  statistics or research did show that like it did bad things for
• 33:54
  the meat for them to induce so much stress before they actually
• 34:00
  got killed. But I don't know what the new
• 34:04
  way is to do it. Like how do you do euthanize the
• 34:06
  guy? I have no idea what.
• 34:07
  I mean, yeah, farming. I, I, I love farmers.
• 34:11
  Like, you know, I've haunted a lot of big farms and ranches and
• 34:15
  those cattle live on like gigantic properties and never
• 34:19
  see a person there. What kind of cows?
• 34:20
  I've tried to pet hunting, pet them and.
• 34:22
  They're like, I love others like out of here.
• 34:25
  I know that they're not living terrible lives, all of them, you
• 34:27
  know, a lot of dairy cows are and stuff like that.
• 34:29
  But it's it's untrue that, like all cattle, live this awful
• 34:35
  life. Like for sure, because I've seen
• 34:38
  it a lot of ethical farmers, like especially I feel like it's
• 34:41
  growing in popularity because people want that in general.
• 34:44
  Yeah. Yeah, they want healthier.
• 34:47
  But it's really, it's so expensive.
• 34:49
  You got a lease like public? My understanding I'm not an.
• 34:51
  Expert well you got a lease like public land that's why in a lot
• 34:54
  of states I hunt that are mostly public land like there will be
• 34:57
  cattle that ranchers run on public land and they have like a
• 35:00
  lease figured out with the state land that you know do it the.
• 35:04
  Ranchers, the Cowboys still go around on horses and wrangle up
• 35:08
  all the cows. And.
• 35:09
  So. Gee, yeah, I love it.
• 35:11
  That's cool. Here's my thing.
• 35:13
  Okay, What a great conversation. This has kind of been all over
• 35:16
  the place, which is what I like, okay?
• 35:19
  But you have done a lot of sports, okay?
• 35:23
  Your thing is what you told me is you like to be mediocre at a
• 35:28
  lot of sports. Yeah, good enough to
• 35:30
  participate. Yeah, slightly above average is
• 35:35
  as many sports as I can. OK, so of the sports that you've
• 35:38
  tried and you've kind of done a lot of shit, which one's like
• 35:42
  the hardest, like and let me let me give 222 options, OK, give me
• 35:47
  a hardest in terms of like technical abilities that you've
• 35:51
  done and then like a physically hardest.
• 35:54
  OK, so I would say technically the hardest would be jiu jitsu.
• 35:58
  Like that is something you can't cheat at all.
• 36:01
  Like you can be talented because of like having general better
• 36:07
  body awareness than someone else, but you cannot be good at
• 36:11
  jiu jitsu day one like because you don't know what you're
• 36:15
  doing, you don't know the techniques.
• 36:16
  So I'd say technically that's probably the most challenging.
• 36:21
  The hardest, I mean, hard to say because there's like a hardest
• 36:27
  physically and then a hardest mentally.
• 36:28
  So hardest mentally is if. You want to be 1 of.
• 36:31
  Each OK, hardest mentally is ultra running because in ultra
• 36:35
  running, what's really interesting I think is the body
• 36:42
  tends to want to stop well before it actually needs to.
• 36:46
  So when you're doing an ultra, like my last ultra that I did
• 36:50
  around mile like 26, which is not close to being done, my knee
• 36:57
  started hurting and my ankle started hurting.
• 36:59
  And there's this concept where if it's a four or less you can
• 37:03
  endure and it's not an injury. But if it's a four higher, you
• 37:06
  need to pay attention to it and you may need to stop.
• 37:09
  But you maintain this level of pain for like hours and knowing
• 37:15
  that that's just part of it, like the pain is part of ultras.
• 37:20
  You have to mentally get through and then you go through like the
• 37:23
  pain pain cave, which is like the yeah, I sure wish.
• 37:27
  Mine. Was a mental toughness that you
• 37:31
  have to like work through yeah and just overcome.
• 37:34
  And what's really interesting with ultras as well as you go
• 37:36
  through these like different highs and lows and like you can
• 37:41
  go through a really challenging point where you feel like
• 37:43
  absolute trash and you can come out on the other side of that
• 37:46
  and feel like you have brand new legs.
• 37:48
  Like just you witness the body's ability to adapt and change over
• 37:52
  this like really strenuous, painful thing.
• 37:55
  I don't know, it's like very fascinating to see what like the
• 37:58
  mind can do despite the body being in pain.
• 38:02
  And like, I think it's cool. Why I love it is I'm like
• 38:05
  curious. That's why I do so many sports.
• 38:07
  But to see like OK, I did that like my last race was a 12 hour
• 38:12
  race. My next race will be 100K which
• 38:15
  is like 62 ish miles. And it started for me doing 4
• 38:19
  miles. I was like, I wonder if I can
• 38:21
  run 4 miles. I'm like kind of extreme.
• 38:24
  So I guess keep that in mind with this.
• 38:26
  But it started with four miles then 4 miles.
• 38:28
  I was like, I wonder if I could run 1/2 marathon.
• 38:31
  Ran 1/2 marathon, threw up everywhere, went horribly.
• 38:35
  But then after I did that, I was like, I wonder if I could do a
• 38:37
  marathon. And I did a marathon.
• 38:39
  And then since then, it's just gotten like more and more
• 38:43
  mileage out of this. Like, I haven't met my limit
• 38:45
  yet. But when I was trying to learn
• 38:48
  how to do run 4 miles, I never in a million years thought that
• 38:51
  I would ever do a 100K race. Yeah.
• 38:55
  Or a 12 hour. Race yeah, I wonder if you could
• 38:57
  just tag her in for your lift run shoot James and she could
• 39:00
  just do the. You can walk up.
• 39:03
  With. The Rock and she can run with.
• 39:07
  I think I'll see you guys up there in a couple hours.
• 39:10
  So my so my plan, I don't know if this bottle come out before
• 39:13
  or after, I'll do it. It'll be more fun to kind of
• 39:16
  it's after. But like my plan is to try to
• 39:20
  carry the rock up the mountain. If I have a choice, I'm going to
• 39:22
  try to carry the rock all the way up the mountain is what I
• 39:24
  want to. Do you got to start running with
• 39:26
  a rock or put a vest I. Think I can do it because
• 39:29
  physically I know I'm strong like I know I'm not weak.
• 39:31
  How far do you go with the rock? I think it's like 2 1/2 miles
• 39:35
  but it's all like. Is it in a pack that you're
• 39:37
  holding on your arm? Yeah.
• 39:40
  So I thought it was awkward, uncomfortable.
• 39:42
  It's uncomfortable to carry, but like I, I know my strengths
• 39:44
  there and I know my endurance is not bad, especially if I'm not
• 39:47
  running like, but who knows, maybe Cam wants to like I'll
• 39:52
  tell him, hey, the most I ever ran is 2 miles.
• 39:54
  Maybe he's like I, we're going to go run 7 miles and I'm like,
• 39:56
  I'm going to do it. Like I'm not going to not do it.
• 40:00
  I'll be slow as shit, but you know I'll do it.
• 40:03
  But I kind of like, I want to carry the rock and like if I
• 40:06
  have a choice, that's what I'm going to do.
• 40:09
  But it would be. Funny to.
• 40:10
  Tap her and like obviously she wouldn't like I would probably
• 40:14
  be better at carrying a rock up than she would, but she
• 40:17
  definitely would be better at running a long distance than me.
• 40:19
  So it's like, it's funny, you know, but we'll see it'd.
• 40:22
  Be funny if your run were before, but I don't think it's
• 40:25
  not if he did fly up there and was like here, like what do you
• 40:30
  call it? Your pacer, pacer buddy, just to
• 40:34
  see like, you know, for the first time, like don't run that
• 40:37
  length before and just show up and be like, all right, will I
• 40:42
  make it mentally 6 miles? I'll be honest with you, if I am
• 40:45
  not on that hunt, show you the dates for a run, but I I will do
• 40:51
  it. Like I'll be her pacer if I'm
• 40:54
  not on that hunt, but if I'm not?
• 40:55
  I don't know who would be motivating.
• 40:57
  More like, are you doing like a 10 minute pace?
• 40:59
  No. So I when I'm doing an ultra
• 41:01
  that's that long, I hike the uphill, run the flat, run the
• 41:05
  downhill. So my pace during my last ultra,
• 41:07
  which end up being like 55 miles, was like 12 or 13.
• 41:11
  I can do that super slow. Yeah.
• 41:14
  And that's like. Yeah, I could do that.
• 41:16
  You're I would love to do it. We can vlog it to make like a
• 41:19
  video from it would be kind of fun.
• 41:20
  It makes it interesting. Like I think it's interesting,
• 41:24
  more interesting because you're like running naturally very like
• 41:27
  boring sport, but it's like you're running the flat, running
• 41:31
  the downhill. So you actually look forward to
• 41:32
  the uphill because you're hiking it, and it's just like changing
• 41:35
  the muscle groups that you're using.
• 41:38
  And you get to like, like, be in the mountains.
• 41:39
  Yeah. How like hours?
• 41:41
  How like so I know nothing about these do you like do you get
• 41:48
  multiple Pacers or? Depends on the race like some I
• 41:53
  mean. I like my last three.
• 41:55
  Six Mile, like Pacer, gets to be within the race, at least for
• 41:59
  you. Like, hey, I need it.
• 42:00
  I need you at the end to keep me moving.
• 42:02
  Or so if someone's being like strategic about it, they'll plan
• 42:05
  their Pacer based on like their Pacers personality and what they
• 42:09
  think that they will need during certain sections of the.
• 42:12
  Race. Yeah.
• 42:12
  And like where? Maybe like their lawless, like
• 42:14
  where they feel it is. Because their race having fresh
• 42:16
  energy is like really nice when you're like super tired.
• 42:20
  Got that for? You.
• 42:21
  I do have that. And it's, it's nice too.
• 42:23
  So I had a friend pace me for my last race just kind of towards
• 42:26
  the end and like I was really tired and I didn't want to have
• 42:31
  to think. And so it was nice to have him
• 42:33
  there because he was like, drink this, eat this, drink your
• 42:36
  water. Like pick up your pace.
• 42:39
  Like it was nice to have someone tell me what to do because I was
• 42:41
  really like, tired and like, you're running.
• 42:46
  I typically run kind of on lower calories than I should because I
• 42:50
  struggle with eating during these races I'm working on.
• 42:53
  But yeah, it's like nice to have someone to make those decisions
• 42:58
  for you, to look out for you when probably mentally you're
• 43:00
  like. Just.
• 43:02
  Not as your decision making maybe isn't going to be as good
• 43:06
  as it would be if you had. Wouldn't be at the highest.
• 43:09
  Point You didn't have like 40 miles under your feet and you're
• 43:11
  like tired and. High, do you like run with like
• 43:13
  a little belt that has like your snacks and your water in it for
• 43:15
  these ultras or like how do you get your snacks?
• 43:18
  And your you have a pack like a, a water pack.
• 43:20
  So I have it's like a running vest that has, I have two
• 43:24
  bottles in the front, but I usually will put some sort of
• 43:26
  like high carbohydrate drink in and then I have a 2 liter
• 43:30
  bladder as well in that. And then I'll put like extra
• 43:33
  clothes and snacks and whatever I think I might need.
• 43:38
  And you just kind of trot along with that.
• 43:42
  Should have done this before my knees blew out.
• 43:44
  You know what's funny is like, because I've known her for so
• 43:46
  long, I don't think I ever would have guessed that like,
• 43:49
  endurance stuff would have been your thing.
• 43:51
  Like when? Yeah, no, me neither.
• 43:53
  Because like you're, you're billed and I mean, it's like
• 43:57
  disrespectful. She always kind of had like, not
• 43:59
  a big build, but like you were like a, you know.
• 44:02
  Like more big, athletic. You were like a bigger build,
• 44:05
  like realistically, you know, Yeah.
• 44:07
  I've never seen you built like you are now in my whole life.
• 44:09
  That's what I feel like running does too.
• 44:11
  You know what? I.
• 44:11
  Mean like, yeah, we're. Talking about Earth, that's why
• 44:14
  when you got into this, I was like, it doesn't seem like a
• 44:16
  natural fit, but I don't think it is for anybody.
• 44:19
  Like, you know, even Cam, for example, he bangs out 200 miles.
• 44:24
  You know, he's not necessarily built like a runner.
• 44:27
  Like he's not real tall. He's not.
• 44:28
  Like, Oh yeah, not built like a runner, but he is he is lean.
• 44:33
  But he, but he also carries more muscle than most runners.
• 44:36
  Yeah, he's not tall, like doesn't have long legs.
• 44:39
  And, you know, like, he not necessarily built like a runner,
• 44:42
  but he's an excellent runner because he's worked at it for so
• 44:45
  long and he's so goddamn relentless, you know, like.
• 44:47
  And that's the thing that I love about running is it's like there
• 44:50
  are people that are so talented, like.
• 44:53
  Courtney for. Courtney Dewalter, she is so
• 44:55
  gifted, and she is not only, like, physically gifted with
• 44:58
  running. So she's like, mentally has this
• 45:01
  grit that is insane. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Like to the point of like some people worry about her because
• 45:08
  her mental toughness is like, how far is she going to push?
• 45:11
  Yeah. But like someone can just start
• 45:15
  running and if your body cooperates, which I'm really
• 45:17
  lucky that my body has stayed like healthy and I haven't had
• 45:20
  any injury. And I've like gone from someone
• 45:23
  who hated the mile in high school and was not fast and who
• 45:28
  hated running. Just someone who now like runs
• 45:32
  really far for fun. I never thought that that would
• 45:35
  be my. I didn't either and that's why
• 45:36
  I'm saying like I was just surprised by it, you know,
• 45:40
  because like I didn't, I wouldn't have guessed that was
• 45:43
  your sport. You know, I felt like you were
• 45:45
  built more like to, to maybe like like the shit I do like
• 45:49
  bodybuilding or weightlifting, you know, like I and I do think
• 45:53
  you could be good at that. Like I think you have a good
• 45:54
  build for it, but like, I never would have guessed that.
• 45:57
  Like Ashley going to do indirect shit.
• 45:59
  I never would have guessed. And I think it's cool because to
• 46:02
  me it shows that anybody can kind of, you know, so long as
• 46:06
  your body holds up, can do whatever, whatever they kind of
• 46:09
  want to do, you know, And I think that's dope, like.
• 46:12
  Yeah. For me, like it's interesting
• 46:16
  because like I'm very like A1 track minded guy and you've
• 46:21
  probably seen that since you know me like I was.
• 46:24
  Like. I've always been a bow hunter
• 46:26
  like my whole life. But then I got into bike riding
• 46:29
  and that was all I did for like a five year span.
• 46:32
  I made it pretty, pretty, pretty high in bike riding, right?
• 46:36
  And then it was like I have a flip back to what I always done,
• 46:38
  which I did the whole time, just not as much as like back to bow
• 46:41
  hunting. And I'm not the type to like
• 46:44
  Mike. The two things I do are weight
• 46:47
  lift and do archery and bow hunting.
• 46:50
  And I think that's part of the reason I've been able to grow
• 46:53
  like bow disciples so much and be such like a successful bow
• 46:56
  hunter and good at shooting is because I'm so one track minded.
• 47:00
  Yeah, I think that's what makes me good at things for sure.
• 47:03
  But also I really respect when people are more of like a Swiss
• 47:07
  army knife. I have friends like that who
• 47:10
  they'll kill me at most things, Like they're not going to kill
• 47:12
  me at what I do like, but you know, but like they'll beat me
• 47:15
  at a bunch of stuff, you know. And I think that's like, I think
• 47:18
  that's what's fun about life is just like not everyone has a
• 47:21
  desire to be the best at some something, but like other people
• 47:25
  do. And it's like so cool when like
• 47:28
  there's like this mutual understanding of like, we're all
• 47:30
  trying to be really good at whether it's a lot of things or
• 47:34
  one thing. Well, and I think too, for me, I
• 47:37
  used to only do sports I was good at, which was not very
• 47:40
  many. It was gymnastics and diving
• 47:42
  like I did those and I was good at those and I stuck with those.
• 47:45
  And in high school and when I was younger, I would avoid
• 47:49
  sports that I was naturally bad at because I was like, oh, I'm
• 47:52
  never going to like excel at this.
• 47:54
  For me, when I learned, when I started running, I'm not a good
• 47:59
  runner. I'm not a gifted runner but I
• 48:01
  was like I'm going to become better than most people at this
• 48:05
  sport and I've decided to do that and it took a really long
• 48:11
  time and I'm still quite slow, but like I am a better runner
• 48:16
  than most humans. But what average human is
• 48:18
  running 55 miles? So that's the thing above, but
• 48:23
  it's it's cool. Like, I'm very proud of myself
• 48:25
  because like, young Ashley would have never done this or never
• 48:28
  had the self-confidence to do something that she sucked at.
• 48:31
  Like I was saying earlier, you know, like it surprised me, but
• 48:33
  it's so dope. You shouldn't get out of that.
• 48:35
  I think it's awesome. So that's it's been fun to be
• 48:38
  like and it's opened my like want to try new sports that I'm
• 48:43
  not good at. And that's why I'm like a Jack
• 48:45
  of all trades, master of none. Like I'll try all these sports.
• 48:48
  I'm not good at them, but I'm going to try them and then have
• 48:51
  fun doing it. And if I suck at them?
• 48:53
  You know. That's why that's the thing
• 48:54
  take. Me snowboard, he's like, you
• 48:56
  don't want to start summer. I say I tried skiing, I sucked
• 48:59
  at it. Let's move on to try
• 49:01
  snowboarding. I get it.
• 49:02
  Everyone says it's harder than skiing.
• 49:04
  We're going to do it anyways. OK, we're going to.
• 49:06
  Struggle with. It too.
• 49:07
  I know. Well, let's hope by then we have
• 49:09
  A and a path to. To new knees or better knees?
• 49:15
  Yeah, better. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:16
  Yeah, I don't want to move to the like injection thing, but
• 49:21
  you know, they're on the feeling of like I should have already
• 49:25
  been on them, but I would love to see and hope that they look
• 49:29
  at them and they're like, no, like a form of PT will help.
• 49:34
  But the pain, it's not a pain and I have a very high pain
• 49:38
  tolerance. It's not a pain that I would say
• 49:40
  it's like. A4 or less, but.
• 49:45
  You can run less than one mile and like you are gimping back to
• 49:50
  your front door. Or like they're the size of
• 49:53
  literal like cantaloupes. You can't see me.
• 49:56
  From thigh to calf, there's no distinction and you got to ice
• 50:01
  them and heat them like every single night.
• 50:03
  It's. Like something's wrong.
• 50:04
  OK, something's not right here, but I would like to hope that
• 50:08
  we'll find a path that we can try things like snowboarding and
• 50:11
  I can go back to running like I've gone, I've gained.
• 50:17
  So I was like 114, I think when I met James, but I was also when
• 50:24
  I moved out here and continuously I was running, I
• 50:26
  suddenly anywhere from 2:00 to 5:00 miles a day.
• 50:29
  I'd come home from work, take care of Abkins, play, go run in
• 50:34
  the evening, come home. Here's all I did.
• 50:36
  I had nothing else to do. Left here.
• 50:37
  Yeah. And it just got so bad that it's
• 50:40
  like, I've gone up 20 lbs since not being able to run.
• 50:45
  And he's like, well, just start doing it again.
• 50:48
  Just you know, it's like the pain is literally like inhibits
• 50:53
  like that even want to push through it and you do because I
• 50:58
  do it. And that's where it's like,
• 50:59
  where's my drive? And it's not in just like you
• 51:01
  have to have a real mental fortitude because like running
• 51:04
  down the street here, I'm like, huh, it hurts.
• 51:06
  Let's run home. You.
• 51:08
  Go hunting and it's like, no, I will get up next morning, even
• 51:14
  if it's a little later. Then drinks gets up.
• 51:18
  We all don't wake up like the Energizer buddy, but we get up
• 51:23
  and they're still swollen and I still get out there and I go
• 51:26
  every single day. But he's like, what?
• 51:30
  I would say the one that did the worst was Utah's.
• 51:32
  That's where they got and it was a different elevation.
• 51:35
  I've never been to 10,000 feet. So like between the elevation,
• 51:38
  the steeper hikes, they like did a number that they've never done
• 51:44
  before. And so that one I think I took
• 51:48
  it's like a day and a half off total.
• 51:51
  I took one morning off, then we took like one full day off and
• 51:53
  they were coming or something. But I'll just follow behind him.
• 51:58
  I might get there 15 minutes after he gets there.
• 52:01
  I'm coming back. I'll see you there when I get
• 52:04
  there. Don't worry about it.
• 52:05
  Grandma is a trooper, I'll say that.
• 52:07
  I might go a whole lot slower than him and Matt do out in
• 52:10
  front of me, but. But one day I took her out
• 52:12
  hunting. It was just me and her, and I
• 52:15
  was like, yeah, we're going to hike up that hill right there.
• 52:17
  And look with binoculars. And then I said, oh, now we're
• 52:21
  going to hike up that hill and look with binoculars.
• 52:24
  And like before, you know, we've gone like 5 miles hiking through
• 52:27
  friggin big hills. And I was like, we got all the
• 52:31
  way out to like the end where we're going to turn around.
• 52:33
  And I was like, I probably messed up here.
• 52:35
  Like I probably did too much. And she, she freaking does it,
• 52:41
  you know, she like she makes it. She's tenacious.
• 52:43
  And I think. That's dope.
• 52:45
  One thing that's, you know, back to talking about athletes that I
• 52:49
  think's crazy is there are the very, very, very rare athletes
• 52:55
  that are like elite at a bunch of stuff.
• 52:58
  Like there's this guy Mookie Betts, who plays for the
• 53:00
  Dodgers. That's like the best.
• 53:02
  I mean, literally he's a top five baseball player in the
• 53:05
  league. This guy's contracts like $360
• 53:07
  million and he deserves it. He's won a bunch, a couple MVPS,
• 53:11
  2 World Series. This guy can bowl 3 hundreds on
• 53:15
  like a regular basis. He's like 6 foot two and can
• 53:19
  dunk a basketball like. You know, like he's.
• 53:23
  Just different or show a Otani's another perfect example.
• 53:27
  This guy does stuff that literally people have never done
• 53:30
  in in human history and he does it like somewhat casually.
• 53:35
  Now, granted, he's a lunatic about baseball.
• 53:37
  It's all he does. But this guy can pitch better
• 53:39
  than almost every pitcher. He is maybe the best hitter who
• 53:44
  it's like guys don't hit and pitch.
• 53:45
  He does both and he's the best at both.
• 53:47
  He's also an excellent baserunner, like steals tons of
• 53:51
  bags. Like I'm like, no one does that.
• 53:53
  Like who is this guy you know? There's some athletes somehow.
• 53:57
  People. Just have so talented.
• 53:59
  There's been a bunch of the years like, you know, Tom Brady
• 54:01
  with tom-tom wasn't like the most natural athlete, but ended
• 54:04
  up being like such an insane football player winning 7 Super
• 54:08
  Bowls. And then he got like Barry
• 54:09
  Bonds. It was like on a different
• 54:11
  planet, you know, like just a different planet.
• 54:14
  Yeah, sure, steroids later in his life, but like the 1st 15
• 54:18
  years he wasn't on that shit and he was still the best, you know,
• 54:21
  like I don't know what gives people that next year, but like
• 54:25
  some guys have it and it's like I I don't.
• 54:28
  Get it? It's just a natural gift.
• 54:30
  You know, some, some people are just more gifted at sports than
• 54:32
  others. Like I would say I was very
• 54:34
  gifted at diving. Like, I feel that way about
• 54:36
  archery too. Yeah, I think I'm gifted at
• 54:38
  archery. You know, and you just like you
• 54:40
  noticed amongst your peers, you start to pick up things faster
• 54:43
  than they do. Yeah, I know.
• 54:45
  I felt that with springboard diving.
• 54:47
  That was, like my sport that I excelled at.
• 54:50
  But some people take it like, even further.
• 54:52
  Like Simone Biles. She's her.
• 54:54
  Savage. Yeah, best gymnast of all time
• 54:56
  by like, by far. And she's just, well, she.
• 55:00
  Just hasn't. What really impresses me with
• 55:02
  Simone too is generally women that are elite still will get
• 55:08
  smoked by dudes. Like even the guys that are like
• 55:11
  average but like they were showing during the Olympics,
• 55:14
  like Simone was actually going higher than the best men on
• 55:18
  floor and that never happens. Or they're like, yeah, so.
• 55:21
  She's like so good to where I don't know, like you maybe know,
• 55:25
  but I would assume maybe the best guy would still beat her on
• 55:28
  floor possibly, I'm not sure and maybe they wouldn't.
• 55:32
  And that's like that never happens in any sport.
• 55:35
  Just. Because bodies are built.
• 55:37
  That had the most difficult. High she went.
• 55:41
  Only one jump and that jump is the, you know, difficult jumping
• 55:44
  or like trick or whatever. I don't know what you call in
• 55:46
  gymnastics, but like the most difficult one to do in like the
• 55:49
  world or something and most dangerous.
• 55:51
  So it's like, no, I don't know if there would be a veil that
• 55:54
  could beat her like. Isn't that wild?
• 55:57
  For sure, maybe in something different other than.
• 56:00
  Like rings or pummel wars and. You can say the same thing about
• 56:03
  Courtney too. The runner.
• 56:05
  She'll smoke dudes, but like, you know, in team sports that
• 56:08
  just it doesn't, it doesn't happen.
• 56:10
  So it's so cool when you see a woman who somehow is doing
• 56:16
  things that like they showed her average jump height versus other
• 56:21
  women and it was like double. It's yeah, she's like an
• 56:24
  incredible athlete. And I think it's just a
• 56:26
  combination of natural talent as well as like grit and hardware.
• 56:31
  Yeah. So when you get both of those,
• 56:33
  someone who's willing to work hard at the sport that they
• 56:36
  love, like you get those super athletes like you go Courtney
• 56:39
  Dwalter and Simone Biles and. Yep.
• 56:42
  Athleticy. And like I said, like, you know,
• 56:44
  like Mookie Betts, for example, or Mike Trout, like, because I'm
• 56:47
  a baseball guy. Like those are guys who are
• 56:48
  savages. Yeah.
• 56:51
  Like Ashley said, those guys have immense natural talent.
• 56:53
  But I guarantee they're in the cages more than like, some guy
• 56:58
  on the bench. Like, if 100%.
• 57:01
  Yeah, you know, and they have more talent.
• 57:03
  Yeah. How are you going to beat that?
• 57:05
  You know, like. You got both.
• 57:06
  Yeah. But I also think, like, I don't
• 57:10
  know, being someone who's now 32 years old, that's never going to
• 57:13
  be like the best at anything in general.
• 57:17
  It's like it is kind of fun to still train for something and
• 57:20
  work really hard at something knowing that like, I'm not going
• 57:24
  to win this, but like, I'm going to do it and I'm going to be
• 57:26
  better than most people at it. And I feel like that's that's
• 57:30
  rewarding as an adult and like, I'm very pro people, like people
• 57:34
  who were athletes staying athletes their whole life.
• 57:36
  Me too, me too. Because.
• 57:37
  I think it's really healthy for like your psyche and I know for
• 57:40
  myself, my mental health is much better when I'm active and
• 57:45
  exercising and training for something so.
• 57:48
  Being active is, I mean, I could never not be active.
• 57:51
  Like, I love weight lifting and I love archery.
• 57:55
  Like, those are two things I know I'll probably always do.
• 57:58
  Yeah, as long as I'm physically capable, which I hope is a long
• 58:02
  time, I'm pretty durable for the most part.
• 58:04
  So hopefully that's like a long time thing.
• 58:06
  But I agree with you. Like I just think it's important
• 58:11
  to stay moving and keep having goals to push for.
• 58:13
  Like I always have goals I'm pushing for, whether it's like a
• 58:16
  performance thing or for me, YouTube has actually been
• 58:19
  extremely helpful in my life because it's given me a reason
• 58:23
  to shoot more and do more stuff and, and really push my skills.
• 58:27
  And then like when I get these collaborations lined up to shoot
• 58:30
  with people, I'm like, hey, I don't want to show up and lose.
• 58:33
  I don't care who it is. Like I have some collabs coming
• 58:37
  up with literally like the best Archers in the world, but one of
• 58:42
  them literally she's probably the best in the world.
• 58:45
  And I'm going to do a video with her and I, I promise, like I
• 58:48
  guarantee the Vegas odds would say she'll win, but I'm not
• 58:51
  going in there to lose. Well, you're really competitive.
• 58:53
  That's just not how I approach stuff, you know?
• 58:56
  So like, even with you, like you, you know, you're probably
• 58:59
  not going to win. But it's like I'm still going to
• 59:01
  go out swinging. Like I'm going to try, yeah.
• 59:04
  You know, I'm going to do my best.
• 59:05
  I will push myself past the point of like being comfortable
• 59:09
  for the sake of like trying and I won't win, but like I do OK.
• 59:16
  See what I can do. I'll see what I can do.
• 59:17
  You know, I love it. And it's I think that that I
• 59:22
  wish I would have known that when I was younger that it like
• 59:25
  you don't have to be the best. You can just like go do
• 59:27
  something for fun, do your best, like have a personal best,
• 59:31
  whatever that is for you that's still valid and worthwhile and
• 59:34
  feels good versus like there's so many more people like me that
• 59:38
  are mediocre or OK at a sport, then there are the best.
• 59:42
  Way more. There's not that many people
• 59:44
  that are like elite and super. Talented and so it's like why
• 59:47
  hold yourself to that standard of life?
• 59:49
  I'm going to be the best yeah and let's like, obviously you're
• 59:52
  really gifted at archery yeah. And you are so dedicated to
• 59:56
  that, just like you were with biking, right?
• 59:59
  But. But even.
• 1:00:00
  For those maybe who don't have that, it's like, well, it's so
• 1:00:03
  curious, like just go find something that's like fun.
• 1:00:05
  I think the mental, the. Mental benefits that you get out
• 1:00:09
  of having just tried ANYWAYS, like you don't realize it during
• 1:00:16
  the process until you've gotten far enough.
• 1:00:19
  But then you're like, I feel great mentally.
• 1:00:22
  I feel great physically. I feel great.
• 1:00:24
  And then that kind of keeps you going once you're in that better
• 1:00:27
  mental health standpoint. But you have to just say yes to
• 1:00:32
  trying something. Even if you weren't like, I want
• 1:00:34
  to be the best at or I want to win.
• 1:00:36
  You're just like, no, I want to try to do a half marathon.
• 1:00:40
  And just by trying like, yeah. And do it embarrassed for where
• 1:00:44
  they're going to start at, You know, like I think that's that
• 1:00:47
  all the time where they're so ashamed of like where they're
• 1:00:50
  starting. It's like maybe you're starting
• 1:00:52
  at a 15 minute mile, which like cares.
• 1:00:55
  Who cares though? Like you're out there doing it.
• 1:00:57
  Done. Sitting in in the couch eating
• 1:00:59
  Cheetos, you know, like, yeah, it's still a place to start.
• 1:01:03
  Still puts you in the category of I did a half marathon versus
• 1:01:09
  all of the other people who didn't.
• 1:01:11
  Can't ever say I did one who didn't do a half marathon.
• 1:01:14
  Like, you're already in a better category just by saying you've
• 1:01:17
  done one because you committed to doing it.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, like who cares where you placed?
• 1:01:22
  If you don't look at it as like the placement within the race,
• 1:01:25
  but like the placement within just society in general, you're
• 1:01:28
  already better off than the rest of society.
• 1:01:30
  So you know what, you know what, I love this conversation.
• 1:01:33
  Like it's such a fun conversation because when I was
• 1:01:37
  a bike rider and you knew me when I was a bike rider like
• 1:01:39
  early on and then like through my biking career, I when I
• 1:01:45
  started was just like, Oh, I'm pretty decent at this, but I
• 1:01:49
  wasn't great. I have a ton of natural talent,
• 1:01:51
  but I in my head I would, I thought I could be, I thought I
• 1:01:55
  could be a pro bike rider. So like my thing was all right,
• 1:01:58
  let's be a pro bike rider and make money bike riding.
• 1:02:01
  And then when I did that in 2010, I was like, OK, now I want
• 1:02:06
  to be the best bike rider, you know, at what I do.
• 1:02:10
  And I gave that my all right for like 3 years.
• 1:02:14
  And there was a .2013 my last year where I just realized I
• 1:02:20
  don't have it like I'm done. I, I, I'm willing to do the
• 1:02:24
  risk. I'm willing to put it out there.
• 1:02:26
  I do not have the talent to be as good as Brandon Seminar or
• 1:02:31
  Brett Reader. Like I cannot be as good as
• 1:02:33
  them. And then after that, my, like, I
• 1:02:37
  just, I almost grew this disdain for bike riding for a while, and
• 1:02:41
  I don't have that anymore. I'd love to hop on a bike and
• 1:02:45
  ride again. But there was a period where I
• 1:02:48
  wanted nothing to do with bikes because I was just like, I had
• 1:02:51
  given everything. And I was like, I'm not good
• 1:02:53
  enough to do this to be the best.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah. And I wanted to be the best, you
• 1:02:58
  know? And I was literally ranked 7th
• 1:03:01
  in the world. And I was like, Nah, that's not
• 1:03:03
  it. That's right.
• 1:03:04
  And like, but like to hurt nature.
• 1:03:07
  To her point though, like that's crazy how everyone's a little
• 1:03:10
  different. And with archery, I approach it
• 1:03:11
  different. Like trust me, I would love to
• 1:03:13
  be the best in the world. And I think I still, I'll
• 1:03:16
  probably get laughed at, but I think I could do that.
• 1:03:19
  But even if I couldn't, I would not.
• 1:03:23
  I hate archery ever. I just wouldn't.
• 1:03:25
  I'm not in the same place. Now if you told me the best I
• 1:03:28
  would ever be is average, I'd be like, I'm still going to do it
• 1:03:31
  because this is what I love. And I think that's always been
• 1:03:33
  your first. It was always my first passion.
• 1:03:36
  Whereas like with bike riding, it was kind of like, I don't
• 1:03:39
  know, I had something that was like, unless I can win crank,
• 1:03:43
  work slopestyle, win Rampage and win this, Like when I realized
• 1:03:48
  that wasn't in the cards, it was just like, I'm not going to do
• 1:03:51
  this anymore. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  It's. Kind of weird, but that makes
• 1:03:54
  sense too, because I know. So I was 7th in the world ranked
• 1:03:57
  for diving. Yeah, I wanted to be the best.
• 1:04:00
  I wanted to go to the Olympics. I got injured.
• 1:04:02
  That didn't happen for me. And I like really felt a lot of
• 1:04:05
  animosity towards that sport because I dedicated.
• 1:04:09
  So like a majority of my life was dedicated to that sport.
• 1:04:13
  And even though I put in everything I had to that sport,
• 1:04:17
  ultimately for me it didn't pay off.
• 1:04:20
  And so like I had disdain for that sport as well.
• 1:04:22
  It's. Crazy.
• 1:04:22
  It's the same shit, you know? Which I think is pretty normal,
• 1:04:25
  like if you have any athletes, which I'm assuming you do that
• 1:04:28
  listen to the podcast. I think they probably align with
• 1:04:30
  that where knowing because you're told as a kid like you
• 1:04:33
  put you can do whatever you want if you put in the effort, but
• 1:04:36
  like that's not really the reality sometimes.
• 1:04:39
  Especially when you get to that level of, like, brightness in
• 1:04:42
  the sport because now you're beyond just like you surpass the
• 1:04:46
  OK, I can try it. OK.
• 1:04:48
  I can get halfway decent at it. OK, At least I did it.
• 1:04:51
  Now it's like, OK, no, I'm really good at this.
• 1:04:53
  OK. Now I beat a lot of people at
• 1:04:55
  this, OK, Now I'm this close to being the best at it.
• 1:04:58
  So like when you have that within your reach because you're
• 1:05:02
  so good at it, Yeah, I think that changes the perception for
• 1:05:06
  athletes a lot because now it's for most of us, that's not
• 1:05:10
  within reach. Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  So it's just like, hey, at least I tried it.
• 1:05:13
  But when you're that good at a sport now, you can physically
• 1:05:16
  see it in front of you. And so when you like, whether
• 1:05:19
  it's injury or just like you just know, like talent wise,
• 1:05:22
  there's some people out there that are better and you know,
• 1:05:25
  and it's not your number one passion, you know, it's like it
• 1:05:30
  can create. That's where like that like
• 1:05:33
  almost like for some people, it's like like mine was with
• 1:05:35
  music or whatever. I knew I was never going to be
• 1:05:37
  the best, but like you're competitive enough at it that
• 1:05:40
  way. So not like a self hatred, it's
• 1:05:43
  not a good word for it. But like, I don't know, like the
• 1:05:47
  self-discipline. And then you're annoyed with
• 1:05:49
  yourself because you're not getting like where you want to
• 1:05:52
  be. And then that creates disdain
• 1:05:54
  for the sport because you're not reaching the goals that you
• 1:05:56
  want. Yeah, it is.
• 1:05:58
  It is weird. Yeah, like for for me, it was,
• 1:06:01
  it was very clear. I remember like I was learning
• 1:06:03
  so many tricks so fast and I was even learning stuff that was
• 1:06:08
  like ahead of the curve that the best guys were doing.
• 1:06:11
  And then I was doing stuff that nobody had done yet.
• 1:06:13
  And I was like 16. And I was like, oh, I got, I
• 1:06:16
  think I got this. And then all of the sudden it
• 1:06:20
  just like it ended. I couldn't learn tricks anymore.
• 1:06:23
  It was like I had reached my beak and I'm watching the shit
• 1:06:28
  that other guys were doing. I'm like that dude.
• 1:06:30
  So much, so much better than me. Like, you know.
• 1:06:34
  But let me ask you this do you regret all of the hard work you
• 1:06:37
  put? No, no, I love it.
• 1:06:38
  I love it. It was such a phase of my life
• 1:06:41
  that I really love, you know, and, and, but it's interesting
• 1:06:45
  because you said something that I kind of like felt the opposite
• 1:06:48
  as an athlete, where like you felt like you wanted to do
• 1:06:52
  diving and get better at because you thought you, you know, were
• 1:06:55
  at the peak at the peak or could get to the I, you know, I felt
• 1:07:00
  that way for a year or two. But initially or actually, you
• 1:07:03
  said, you know, people always say like as a kid, you can do
• 1:07:07
  anything you want if you want to be the best you can.
• 1:07:09
  I never felt that way. I always felt like no one
• 1:07:11
  thought I could be. So I said because of that, I
• 1:07:16
  want to get there because I want to show everyone that I can, you
• 1:07:20
  know, and unfortunately I came up short on it, but like, you
• 1:07:23
  know, I kind of approach it from like this point of like trying
• 1:07:26
  to fight. Back and prove.
• 1:07:27
  People and I still, I kind of still feel like that with what
• 1:07:31
  I'm doing now. The difference is now is like I
• 1:07:34
  think my talent is is is just like, I just think it's
• 1:07:38
  different in this than it was in biking.
• 1:07:40
  I think it's much more natural. I think I am.
• 1:07:44
  I think my ceiling with what I'm doing now is much higher than it
• 1:07:47
  was biking, you know, even though my ceiling was pretty
• 1:07:50
  high, I think it's higher than this.
• 1:07:53
  But I still have the mindset of like, I want to show people that
• 1:07:57
  I can do it because I, I don't think people believe that.
• 1:07:59
  And it's probably not even true. They probably do.
• 1:08:01
  But like, in my head, that's how I feel, you know?
• 1:08:04
  Yeah, it's weird. I mean it's everyone has their
• 1:08:07
  own driving factor for like doing hard things.
• 1:08:09
  Isn't that crazy? Which is so interesting.
• 1:08:11
  It's usually like how you grew up and like what sort of
• 1:08:13
  adversity you faced as a kid or whatever.
• 1:08:15
  But I know it's, it's really interesting.
• 1:08:20
  Every athlete kind of runs differently, but there's a lot
• 1:08:22
  of similarities. Like you and I, how you and I
• 1:08:24
  now approach sport is like starkly different.
• 1:08:27
  Like you are a specialist. Am I?
• 1:08:29
  I'm a generalist. Right.
• 1:08:31
  But we both have like, obviously we've been talking about sports
• 1:08:34
  for like, I don't know, an hour. We, we both have such like a
• 1:08:37
  passion for what we're doing, even though it's a different way
• 1:08:41
  of going about it. Bottom line, I think for I guess
• 1:08:45
  anyone listening like just go do something have fun and if you
• 1:08:48
  fail who cares you know I. Love it I love it it's like now
• 1:08:54
  OK, I think this is a good place to cap the pod, but I want to I
• 1:08:59
  want to end with a little segment that I think is pretty
• 1:09:01
  fun I. Don't know.
• 1:09:03
  I think you or you, you should either ask her questions or you
• 1:09:08
  should tell her some shit about me when I was like a way
• 1:09:11
  younger. That's like wild that like she
• 1:09:14
  wouldn't know. Like what's some crazy James
• 1:09:16
  stuff from when I was like 15? You were just always so ornery.
• 1:09:21
  Like he was just like an ornery little guy.
• 1:09:24
  And it was so funny because like it's funny saying like you're
• 1:09:28
  always trying to prove people wrong.
• 1:09:30
  And I feel like when you were when I met you, you exuded this
• 1:09:33
  like I'm just like, not arrogance, but just like that
• 1:09:38
  ornery nature about you. That's not a bad thing, but it's
• 1:09:45
  like, I've never met someone with so much like, like want to
• 1:09:49
  prove like angst like different. Angst.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah, well, I grew up on Lincoln Park and shit, you know, like
• 1:09:55
  Eminem, you know? Can you describe this to me
• 1:09:59
  multiple times? And it just makes me think like,
• 1:10:03
  like what? You know, you were raised in a
• 1:10:05
  very good household, a well off household, like you went to a
• 1:10:12
  private school, a Christian private school.
• 1:10:15
  You did any sport you wanted to do.
• 1:10:19
  What happened that like or what like something, whether it's
• 1:10:23
  overtime, incrementally all at once, something had to have
• 1:10:28
  happened that either he's never shared with me or he doesn't
• 1:10:31
  know yet doesn't recognize himself that made him that way
• 1:10:35
  because he's described like that exact thing to me and says that
• 1:10:38
  like sometimes like he just said, like he still feels that
• 1:10:41
  way. He's got to prove it to the
• 1:10:42
  world what not, but then displaying it going before you
• 1:10:45
  know how to like I. Feel and I feel like James
• 1:10:49
  owning an Android phone, no pay to Android.
• 1:10:53
  You choose the phone you want. James is always he's wanted the
• 1:10:57
  opposing and he's he's been dedicated to the opposing,
• 1:11:00
  whatever it is, whatever everyone else is doing, he's
• 1:11:02
  like that stupid. I'm going to do the you can.
• 1:11:05
  Tell him the most logical thing in the world that like this you
• 1:11:09
  should do this because of this and it can be the most logical
• 1:11:12
  reason like this makes more sense.
• 1:11:16
  Be like, you not have a bowl cut at 17 years old.
• 1:11:20
  And he's like, you know what, I'm going to keep this home 27.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, I like it makes me wonder. I'm like, what happened to you?
• 1:11:31
  Like you had a great childhood. Why are you trying to prove
• 1:11:34
  people wrong? Like everybody hates you and you
• 1:11:36
  guys, nobody thinks you're good at anything.
• 1:11:40
  I'm like, man. And then you're dedicated.
• 1:11:43
  You're dedicated to the opposing.
• 1:11:45
  You could. Ask her every single day of my
• 1:11:49
  high school era, 100% of the time I wore dicky shorts.
• 1:11:54
  Every single I see the pictures. With those and the like, the
• 1:11:58
  every. Skater.
• 1:11:59
  Shoes. The oversized T-shirts that you
• 1:12:03
  bought them from the Goodwill in the XXXL section.
• 1:12:06
  When you were still an extra small 25.
• 1:12:10
  Yeah, you were dedicated to your bit.
• 1:12:12
  Like whatever your bit was you were dedicated to.
• 1:12:15
  It it's still the same bit you just learned how to like portray
• 1:12:20
  it, I think in a more professional, you know, like
• 1:12:24
  manner in which somebody could still now approach him without
• 1:12:27
  feeling like they want to punch. Yeah, a little more of.
• 1:12:30
  A But sometimes it like it's not more tactical a little.
• 1:12:33
  Bit subtle versus. Tactful now, yeah, behind the
• 1:12:37
  scenes sometimes it's like, buddy, why are we doing this?
• 1:12:43
  Because. I love it.
• 1:12:45
  It's so true. It's so true.
• 1:12:47
  Well, this really has been. This has been a pleasure.
• 1:12:50
  Yeah. Go follow Ashley, the all around
• 1:12:53
  athlete. I just made that up.
• 1:12:56
  What's your Instagram page? Ashley Rose under score.
• 1:12:59
  No, it's I am Ashley Rose. I am Ashley Rose.
• 1:13:02
  That's my Instagram. Yes, go give her a follow and
• 1:13:06
  comment her third picture back and say podcasts the third
• 1:13:12
  picture, the third picture back whatever that is at the.
• 1:13:14
  Time by the time this comes out, I mean that could be a different
• 1:13:17
  times that people go and see them.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, but. If they watched it two months
• 1:13:21
  ago. That right there is Brianna
• 1:13:23
  Curley, 91. Yeah, real simple.
• 1:13:25
  That's gives you my age if you'd like.
• 1:13:27
  The real Albus. I should make him his own page.
• 1:13:30
  Oh yeah. You.
• 1:13:31
  Should have a great page. Congratulations, you did great
• 1:13:34
  today. I make sure I couldn't post
• 1:13:35
  pictures myself, but I could post pictures of that it'd be.
• 1:13:37
  Great. I appreciate everyone Hun.
• 1:13:39
  Now let's let's go ahead. OK.