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- 0:00Speaker 1: You know, there is this very specific image that you
- 0:02Speaker 1: probably have in your mind when you think of the
- 0:04Speaker 1: American heartland.
- 0:05Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
- 0:06Speaker 1: Right. Picture yourself just like driving down a two-lane highway
- 0:10Speaker 1: in rural Iowa. You see the endless expanse of corn
- 0:14Speaker 1: and soybean fields, massive grain silos standing like monuments in
- 0:18Speaker 1: the distance, gravel roads kicking up dust behind your tires.
- 0:21Speaker 2: Yeah, those pristine farmhouses sitting way back from the street.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Exactly. It was the quintessential Norman Rockwell painting. A place
- 0:29Speaker 1: where the illusion of safety is just so deeply woven
- 0:32Speaker 1: into the fabric of the community that, you know, people
- 0:34Speaker 1: leave their keys in the ignition of their trucks.
- 0:36Speaker 2: And their front door is completely unlocked at night.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Yeah. It just feels completely insulated from the chaos of
- 0:42Speaker 1: the outside world.
- 0:43Speaker 2: It's an aesthetic of pure security, really. We naturally associate
- 0:48Speaker 2: open spaces and tight-knit farming communities with a kind of
- 0:52Speaker 2: moral sanctuary. Right. The assumption is that the violence of
- 0:55Speaker 2: the city just stays in the city. When a crime
- 0:58Speaker 2: does happen, the initial community reaction isn't suspicion. It's just
- 1:02Speaker 2: total disbelief. Right.
- 1:03Speaker 1: But, you know, illusions only hold up until reality violently
- 1:07Speaker 1: crashes through them. And today we are looking at exactly
- 1:10Speaker 1: what happens when that sanctuary is shattered by two brutal,
- 1:14Speaker 1: seemingly completely disparate crimes decades apart.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:18Speaker 1: We are diving deep into our source material today. We're
- 1:21Speaker 1: unpacking the 2015 murder of a beloved farmer's wife named
- 1:25Speaker 1: Shirley Carter. and the 1979 cold case murder of an
- 1:28Speaker 1: 18-year-old high schooler named Michelle Martinko.
- 1:31Speaker 2: And we aren't just recounting these tragedies. We are going
- 1:35Speaker 2: to look under the hood of the justice system itself.
- 1:37Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the mission of this deep dive.
- 1:39Speaker 2: Exactly. We are going to explore how the burden of proof,
- 1:43Speaker 2: the evolution of forensic science, and the tactical psychology of
- 1:46Speaker 2: criminal investigations really dictate the reality of justice.
- 1:50Speaker 1: It's fascinating.
- 1:51Speaker 2: We have a profound contrast here. On one hand, A
- 1:54Speaker 2: modern case built entirely on circumstantial evidence that creates just
- 1:57Speaker 2: absolute legal chaos.
- 1:59Speaker 1: Total whiplash. Yeah.
- 2:00Speaker 2: And on the other hand, a 40-year-old ghost story saved
- 2:03Speaker 2: by the absolute cutting edge of genetic science.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because to really understand how wild
- 2:09Speaker 1: the legal chaos gets, we need to head to the
- 2:12Speaker 1: Carter Farm in Lacona, Iowa. The date is June 19, 2015. Right.
- 2:17Speaker 1: We have Shirley Carter, who is 67 years old. By
- 2:21Speaker 1: all accounts from the sources, she is the matriarch of
- 2:24Speaker 1: a sprawling agricultural empire.
- 2:26Speaker 2: She really was.
- 2:27Speaker 1: She and her husband, Bill, have been married for 52 years.
- 2:30Speaker 1: They run a 900-acre soybean and corn operation. And Shirley
- 2:34Speaker 1: isn't just like managing the books in the background.
- 2:36Speaker 2: No, not at all.
- 2:37Speaker 1: She is out there driving her own John Deere tractor.
- 2:41Speaker 1: She's raising grandkids. She is the engine of this entire family.
- 2:45Speaker 2: She represents a very specific kind of American grit. I mean,
- 2:48Speaker 2: 52 years of marriage, working side by side on 900 acres.
- 2:51Speaker 2: That is a lifetime of shared labor, you know, shared
- 2:54Speaker 2: financial risk and shared legacy. When a woman like that
- 2:57Speaker 2: is murdered in her own kitchen in the middle of
- 2:59Speaker 2: the day, it doesn't just devastate a family.
- 3:01Speaker 1: It paralyzes the whole community.
- 3:03Speaker 2: Completely. The entire foundation of what they believe about their
- 3:06Speaker 2: safety just vanishes instantly.
- 3:08Speaker 1: And the scene of this crime is horrific. It's Shirley's
- 3:12Speaker 1: younger son. Jason Carter, who calls 911. He claims he
- 3:16Speaker 1: just walked in and found his mother on the kitchen floor.
- 3:18Speaker 2: Right.
- 3:19Speaker 1: Before the police even arrive, Bill Carter, her husband of
- 3:23Speaker 1: over half a century, he rushes in. And he finds
- 3:26Speaker 1: her laying face up, her hands crossed over her chest.
- 3:29Speaker 2: That detail is so important.
- 3:30Speaker 1: It really is. Bill actually says to Jason, in that
- 3:34Speaker 1: moment of just unimaginable grief, he says, it had to
- 3:37Speaker 1: be somebody that loved her.
- 3:38Speaker 2: Wow.
- 3:39Speaker 1: He saw how she was positioned. and thought, you know,
- 3:43Speaker 1: you don't naturally fall that way when you die. It
- 3:45Speaker 1: looked deliberate. It looked like she had been posed.
- 3:47Speaker 2: Which is a remarkable observation for a grieving husband to
- 3:50Speaker 2: make in the first seconds of shock. But it highlights
- 3:53Speaker 2: something crucial about crime scenes.
- 3:55Speaker 1: What's that?
- 3:56Speaker 2: The physical environment speaks before anyone ever opens their mouth.
- 4:00Speaker 2: Lead detective Mark Ludwick, he's listening to Jason's 911 call
- 4:03Speaker 2: on his way to the farmhouse, and his investigative radar
- 4:06Speaker 2: is immediately going off.
- 4:07Speaker 1: Just from the audio.
- 4:08Speaker 2: Just from the audio. Not because of what the scene
- 4:11Speaker 2: looks like yet, but because of the specific linguistic choices
- 4:15Speaker 2: Jason is making on the phone.
- 4:16Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason's phrasing on that call is incredibly bizarre. He says,
- 4:21Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. But then he completely contradicts
- 4:25Speaker 1: that confusion by volunteering this hyper-specific medical timeline.
- 4:30Speaker 2: Right.
- 4:31Speaker 1: Jason tells the dispatcher that his mom has been dead for, quote,
- 4:34Speaker 1: two hours.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Which is wild.
- 4:36Speaker 1: If I walk into a room and find someone I
- 4:38Speaker 1: love on the floor... I am not running a mental
- 4:41Speaker 1: forensic calculation. I'm screaming for an ambulance.
- 4:43Speaker 2: Precisely. In the field of investigative statement analysis, this is
- 4:47Speaker 2: a glaring red flag. When someone discovers a loved one
- 4:51Speaker 2: violently murdered, their psychological state is rooted entirely in present
- 4:55Speaker 2: tense panic.
- 4:56Speaker 1: They're just reacting.
- 4:57Speaker 2: Exactly. The brain does not instantly shift into the role
- 5:00Speaker 2: of a medical examiner calculating lividity or rigor mortis. Right.
- 5:04Speaker 2: Volunteering that two hours detail is what investigators call a
- 5:07Speaker 2: linguistic tell. It suggests the caller isn't experiencing the event
- 5:11Speaker 2: in real time.
- 5:12Speaker 1: What are they doing then?
- 5:13Speaker 2: They are attempting to proactively introduce a narrative to plan
- 5:17Speaker 2: a timeline before the police even ask a single question.
- 5:21Speaker 1: The best analogy I can come up with is that
- 5:23Speaker 1: Jason Ario's behavior at this crime scene is like an
- 5:26Speaker 1: escape room player who knows all the answers before the
- 5:29Speaker 1: clues are even found.
- 5:30Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
- 5:32Speaker 1: Right. He's pointing things out that a person in shock
- 5:35Speaker 1: just shouldn't be noticing.
- 5:36Speaker 2: That is exactly how an investigator views it. He is
- 5:39Speaker 2: guiding the narrative. And it doesn't stop at the timeline.
- 5:43Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. When Bill arrives, Jason immediately says, Dad, look,
- 5:47Speaker 1: somebody's robbed you. He points out that his father's office
- 5:50Speaker 1: drawers have been pulled out and dumped on the floor.
- 5:52Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 5:52Speaker 1: He takes him into the bedroom and shows him that
- 5:55Speaker 1: Shirley's dresser drawers are open. He's instantly pointing out bullet
- 5:58Speaker 1: holes in the floor and in the refrigerator.
- 6:00Speaker 2: It's a lot.
- 6:01Speaker 1: But I have to play devil's advocate here. Couldn't a
- 6:04Speaker 1: grieving son just be in severe shock Trauma does weird
- 6:08Speaker 1: things to the brain. Couldn't he just be desperately scanning
- 6:11Speaker 1: the room for answers and blurting out what he sees?
- 6:14Speaker 2: You always have to account for shock. Investigators are trained
- 6:18Speaker 2: to recognize that genuine trauma-induced erratic behavior can sometimes look
- 6:23Speaker 2: like deception.
- 6:24Speaker 1: Right. People act weird when they're traumatized.
- 6:26Speaker 2: They do. However, Ludewig's assessment goes deeper than Jason simply
- 6:30Speaker 2: being observant. It addeth the nature of what Jason is
- 6:34Speaker 2: pointing out. combined with the physical realities of the scene.
- 6:37Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through that.
- 6:38Speaker 2: Well, a person in shock finding their mother in a
- 6:42Speaker 2: pool of blood does not typically conduct a ballistic trajectory
- 6:46Speaker 2: survey of the kitchen appliances.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. And the robbery narrative falls apart
- 6:51Speaker 1: the second you look at the physical evidence. Completely. They
- 6:53Speaker 1: go into the bedroom, the drawers are dumped, but nothing
- 6:56Speaker 1: of value is actually taken. The most glaring piece of
- 7:00Speaker 1: evidence is Shirley's purse. It is hanging right there, On
- 7:03Speaker 1: a grandchild's high chair in plain sight.
- 7:05Speaker 2: Just sitting there.
- 7:06Speaker 1: It has credit cards in it. It has $ 140 in
- 7:09Speaker 1: cash sitting right inside, untouched. What kind of burglar bypasses
- 7:15Speaker 1: a purse full of cash hanging on a high chair
- 7:16Speaker 1: to go pull out underwear drawers?
- 7:18Speaker 2: A burglar who isn't a burglar at all. Let's dive
- 7:22Speaker 2: into the psychology of staged crime scenes for a second.
- 7:24Speaker 1: Please do.
- 7:25Speaker 2: This is a classic manifestation of what investigators call the
- 7:29Speaker 2: adolescent mindset. When an amateur tries to stage a robbery
- 7:33Speaker 2: to cover up a murder, they usually base their staging
- 7:37Speaker 2: on what they've seen on television or in movies.
- 7:39Speaker 1: Like, oh, I need to make a mess.
- 7:41Speaker 2: Exactly. They think a robbery means tossing drawers and making
- 7:44Speaker 2: a mess, but they lack the actual psychology of a thief. Right.
- 7:50Speaker 2: A real burglar is driven by efficiency, risk aversion, and greed.
- 7:55Speaker 2: They grab the cash on the high chair, they grab
- 7:57Speaker 2: the jewelry box, and they get out before they get caught.
- 8:00Speaker 1: They aren't lingering to dump out random drawers while leaving
- 8:03Speaker 1: the easiest cash in the house behind.
- 8:05Speaker 2: Exactly. The staging here was performative. It was designed to
- 8:09Speaker 2: look like a crime rather than to actually be a crime.
- 8:12Speaker 2: It's a theatrical production of a burglary directed by someone
- 8:16Speaker 2: who doesn't understand the motivation of a burglar.
- 8:18Speaker 1: And the curtain on that theater falls pretty quickly because
- 8:20Speaker 1: there was a massive glaring secret that the police uncover
- 8:24Speaker 1: almost immediately.
- 8:26Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 8:26Speaker 1: We're talking about a family that runs a multimillion dollar
- 8:29Speaker 1: farming operation. But beneath the surface, there is intense financial
- 8:34Speaker 1: and emotional friction.
- 8:35Speaker 2: Very intense.
- 8:36Speaker 1: Jason is drowning in debt, somewhere between $ 100, 000 and $ 150, 000
- 8:41Speaker 1: in the hole.
- 8:42Speaker 2: Financial distress of that magnitude within a family business structure
- 8:45Speaker 2: is a tremendous psychological stressor.
- 8:48Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
- 8:49Speaker 2: Bill Carter, the father, he wanted to bring Jason into
- 8:52Speaker 2: the main farming operation to bail him out. He wanted
- 8:55Speaker 2: to consolidate the debt and save his son. Right.
- 8:58Speaker 1: But surely... The matriarch who managed the books vehemently opposed it.
- 9:03Speaker 2: She did.
- 9:03Speaker 1: She saw the reality of Jason's irresponsibility clearer than anyone,
- 9:07Speaker 1: and she was the immovable object standing between Jason and
- 9:11Speaker 1: his financial salvation.
- 9:12Speaker 2: And there is a chilling detail in the sources that
- 9:14Speaker 2: completely shatters this idea of a happy family.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Oh, the quote from the salesman.
- 9:19Speaker 2: Yes. A local farm equipment salesman, a guy named Brandon Smith,
- 9:22Speaker 2: who knew the family well, recounted a conversation he had
- 9:25Speaker 2: with Jason. He asked Jason why he didn't just farm
- 9:29Speaker 2: together with his dad to fix his money problems. And
- 9:32Speaker 2: Jason's response was, quote, I can't because my mom is
- 9:35Speaker 2: a bitch.
- 9:36Speaker 1: Man. When you combine crushing debt with that level of
- 9:40Speaker 1: intense personal animosity, you have the foundational elements of a
- 9:44Speaker 1: powerful motive.
- 9:45Speaker 2: You really do.
- 9:46Speaker 1: It reveals a toxic resentment that had been brewing for
- 9:49Speaker 1: a long time. But here's where it gets really interesting.
- 9:52Speaker 1: The debt wasn't his only secret.
- 9:55Speaker 2: Not by a long shot.
- 9:56Speaker 1: The police search Jace's truck, and they pop the hood.
- 10:00Speaker 1: Hidden inside the fuse box of the engine compartment, they
- 10:03Speaker 1: find a burner phone.
- 10:04Speaker 2: Just tucked away.
- 10:05Speaker 1: This wasn't dropped by accident. It was deliberately concealed in
- 10:08Speaker 1: a place his wife would never look. And on that phone,
- 10:11Speaker 1: they uncover evidence of a torrid, ongoing extramarital affair Jace
- 10:15Speaker 1: was having with a local woman.
- 10:16Speaker 2: The burner phone changes the entire landscape of the investigation.
- 10:20Speaker 1: How so?
- 10:20Speaker 2: Suddenly, the motive expands exponentially. It's no longer just about
- 10:24Speaker 2: the farm debt. It is about a man desperate to
- 10:26Speaker 2: keep his entire life from collapsing.
- 10:28Speaker 1: Because if Shirley found out?
- 10:30Speaker 2: Exactly. If Shirley, who was already blocking his financial bailout,
- 10:35Speaker 2: found out about the affair, the fallout would be catastrophic.
- 10:38Speaker 1: She would have cut him off completely.
- 10:39Speaker 2: Jason stood to lose his marriage, his children... and any
- 10:43Speaker 2: chance of inheriting a piece of that $ 6 million Carter farm.
- 10:47Speaker 2: The affair was the accelerant.
- 10:49Speaker 1: So just three days after the murder, the police bring
- 10:52Speaker 1: Jason and his wife, Shelley, into the local sheriff's office
- 10:56Speaker 1: for questioning. They separate them.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Standard protocol.
- 10:59Speaker 1: Right. They put Shelley in this small makeshift courtroom down
- 11:02Speaker 1: the hall, and they drop the bomb on her. They
- 11:04Speaker 1: tell her that the husband she is fiercely defending has
- 11:07Speaker 1: been carrying on a secret affair.
- 11:09Speaker 2: This is where we see the psychological pressure cooker of
- 11:12Speaker 2: a police interrogation take shape.
- 11:13Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:14Speaker 2: Detective Ludwig goes into the room with Shelley and he
- 11:17Speaker 2: employs a highly aggressive, high stakes tactical approach. According to Shelley,
- 11:22Speaker 2: Ludwig explicitly threatens her.
- 11:24Speaker 1: Yeah, the bus comment.
- 11:25Speaker 2: Right. He tells her she needs to, quote, get on
- 11:28Speaker 2: the bus with the police investigation or he is going
- 11:31Speaker 2: to make sure she gets thrown under the bus.
- 11:33Speaker 1: Which is terrifying.
- 11:34Speaker 2: He is actively trying to leverage her pain and betrayal
- 11:38Speaker 2: over the affair. to turn her into an asset against Jason.
- 11:41Speaker 1: I have to pause here because human behavior is just
- 11:44Speaker 1: so fascinating to me. Shelly learns her husband is cheating
- 11:48Speaker 1: on her. The police are heavily implying he murdered his
- 11:51Speaker 1: own mother.
- 11:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 11:52Speaker 1: She is sitting in a sheriff's office. Her entire reality
- 11:54Speaker 1: is collapsing. And yet she refuses to turn on him.
- 11:58Speaker 2: It's remarkable.
- 11:59Speaker 1: She gets furious at the police instead. She later said,
- 12:02Speaker 1: I could have been a scorned wife because that's what
- 12:04Speaker 1: Mark Ludwig wanted me to be. But it wouldn't be
- 12:07Speaker 1: right for me to say you cheated on me Now
- 12:09Speaker 1: you can pay for your mom's death. I don't understand
- 12:13Speaker 1: that level of compartmentalization.
- 12:15Speaker 2: It speaks to a very complex loyalty. From an investigative standpoint,
- 12:19Speaker 2: Ludwig miscalculated.
- 12:20Speaker 1: I pushed too hard.
- 12:21Speaker 2: He did. He assumed the revelation of infidelity would instantly
- 12:25Speaker 2: override her baseline belief in her husband's fundamental nature. But
- 12:30Speaker 2: Shelley separated the two betrayals.
- 12:32Speaker 1: Interesting.
- 12:32Speaker 2: To her mind, being a terrible husband who cheats does
- 12:35Speaker 2: not automatically equate to being a monster who executes his
- 12:39Speaker 2: own mother.
- 12:39Speaker 1: Right.
- 12:40Speaker 2: She dug her heels in on the principle of the
- 12:42Speaker 2: murder charge, refusing to let her marital anger be weaponized
- 12:45Speaker 2: by law enforcement to secure a homicide conviction she genuinely
- 12:50Speaker 2: believed was false.
- 12:51Speaker 1: Meanwhile, down the hall, Jason is enduring an intense 11-hour interrogation.
- 12:57Speaker 1: 11 hours.
- 12:59Speaker 2: That is a marathon.
- 13:00Speaker 1: And during this session... He agrees to take a polygraph test.
- 13:04Speaker 1: The results come back showing deception. The police tell him
- 13:07Speaker 1: straight to his face, you were deceptive.
- 13:10Speaker 2: Let's pull back the curtain on this for the listener.
- 13:12Speaker 2: How does a polygraph actually work, and why do police
- 13:15Speaker 2: use them if they aren't even allowed in court?
- 13:17Speaker 1: To understand the polygraph, you have to understand that it
- 13:20Speaker 1: is not a lie detector.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Oh, really?
- 13:22Speaker 1: No, it does not detect deception. It detects physiological arousal.
- 13:26Speaker 2: Okay, how does it do that?
- 13:27Speaker 1: When you sit in that chair, they wrap pneumograph tubes
- 13:29Speaker 1: around your chest to measure your breathing rate. They put
- 13:32Speaker 1: a blood pressure cuff on your arm to measure cardiovascular activity.
- 13:36Speaker 1: And they put galvanometers on your fingertips to measure galvanic
- 13:39Speaker 1: skin response.
- 13:40Speaker 2: Which is what exactly? Which is essentially how much your
- 13:43Speaker 2: fingers are sweating, indicating changes in the electrical resistance of
- 13:47Speaker 2: your skin.
- 13:48Speaker 1: So they are measuring your fight or flight response.
- 13:50Speaker 2: Exactly. The theory is that when you lie, the fear
- 13:53Speaker 2: of getting caught triggers the sympathetic nervous system, causing your
- 13:57Speaker 2: heart to race, your breathing to change, and your palms
- 14:00Speaker 2: to sweat.
- 14:02Speaker 1: That makes sense in theory.
- 14:03Speaker 2: It does, but legally, courts have almost universally ruled that
- 14:07Speaker 2: this science is too unreliable for a jury.
- 14:10Speaker 1: Because you could just be nervous.
- 14:11Speaker 2: Right. An innocent person who is simply terrified of the
- 14:14Speaker 2: police might trigger the exact same physiological response as a
- 14:18Speaker 2: guilty person lying.
- 14:20Speaker 1: So if it's scientifically shaky and legally inadmissible... Why on
- 14:24Speaker 1: earth do detectives spend hours administering them?
- 14:27Speaker 2: Because the polygraph is one of the most effective psychological
- 14:30Speaker 2: crowbars ever invented.
- 14:31Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
- 14:32Speaker 2: Law enforcement doesn't primarily use them for the paper readout.
- 14:35Speaker 2: They use them for the post-test interview. You sit the
- 14:38Speaker 2: suspect down, you point to the machine, and you say,
- 14:40Speaker 2: The machine says you are lying. Science proves it. The
- 14:44Speaker 2: jig is up. It is designed to induce a sense
- 14:46Speaker 2: of absolute hopelessness in a guilty suspect. The goal is
- 14:50Speaker 2: to break their resolve and extract a confession.
- 14:53Speaker 1: It's essentially a theatrical prop designed to break you.
- 14:56Speaker 2: Very so.
- 14:57Speaker 1: But it didn't break Jason. He vehemently denied the results,
- 15:00Speaker 1: got incredibly angry, told the detectives they were going to hell.
- 15:05Speaker 1: And when Shelly demanded he leave, he just stood up
- 15:07Speaker 1: and walked out.
- 15:08Speaker 2: Just left.
- 15:09Speaker 1: He walked right out of the sheriff's office, an uncharged
- 15:12Speaker 1: free man.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Which is the inherent risk of the tactic. If a
- 15:16Speaker 2: suspect is stubborn enough to call your bluff and walk out,
- 15:19Speaker 2: You are left with zero physical evidence and a suspect
- 15:22Speaker 2: who knows exactly what you suspect him of.
- 15:25Speaker 1: Which leaves Bill Carter, the grieving father, in an unimaginable purgatory.
- 15:30Speaker 1: He lost his wife of 52 years, and now he
- 15:32Speaker 1: is slowly, agonizingly coming to the conclusion that his favorite
- 15:36Speaker 1: son pulled the trigger.
- 15:37Speaker 2: It's a tragedy on every level.
- 15:39Speaker 1: The police haven't made an arrest, so Bill takes an
- 15:41Speaker 1: unprecedented step. He hires his own private detective to reexamine everything.
- 15:45Speaker 1: And they focus on a missing weapon. a Remington bolt-action.
- 15:49Speaker 1: 270 rifle that had completely vanished from a gun safe
- 15:54Speaker 1: in Bill's basement.
- 15:55Speaker 2: The gun safe is a pivotal piece of circumstantial evidence.
- 15:58Speaker 2: When confronted about the safe, Jason and Shelley adamantly claimed
- 16:02Speaker 2: they didn't even know it existed.
- 16:03Speaker 1: They just lied about it.
- 16:04Speaker 2: They flat-out denied any knowledge of a gun safe in
- 16:07Speaker 2: the basement.
- 16:08Speaker 1: But Bill knew that was a lie, because Jason and
- 16:11Speaker 1: Shelley had actually bought him that specific gun safe for Christmas. Right. Furthermore,
- 16:16Speaker 1: Investigators later found a photograph of Jason and his toddler
- 16:19Speaker 1: son actually assembling that very gun safe on Christmas morning.
- 16:23Speaker 2: You can't argue with the photo.
- 16:24Speaker 1: Exactly. It was a verifiable, documented lie about the location
- 16:29Speaker 1: of the likely murder weapon.
- 16:30Speaker 2: It's the accumulation of these lies that pushes Bill over
- 16:33Speaker 2: the edge. You have the motive, the stage scene, the
- 16:36Speaker 2: burner phone, and now a documented lie about the missing weapon.
- 16:39Speaker 1: More than a year passes. Jason is still out there
- 16:43Speaker 1: planting his fields, Harvesting his crops, living his life. And
- 16:47Speaker 1: Bill decides he can't wait for the state anymore. He
- 16:50Speaker 1: sues his own son for wrongful death.
- 16:52Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
- 16:54Speaker 1: We are talking about a father dragging his child into
- 16:57Speaker 1: a civil courthouse in Marion County, Iowa, and putting the
- 17:01Speaker 1: murder of his wife on public display. How is he
- 17:05Speaker 1: able to do this if the state hasn't pressed criminal charges?
- 17:08Speaker 2: This is where we get into a fascinating aspect of
- 17:10Speaker 2: the American legal system. We have two entirely separate justice systems,
- 17:14Speaker 2: criminal and civil.
- 17:15Speaker 1: Okay.
- 17:16Speaker 2: And they operate on completely different legal standards of proof.
- 17:18Speaker 2: To understand why, you have to look at what is
- 17:20Speaker 2: at stake. In a criminal court, the state is trying
- 17:23Speaker 2: to take away your liberty or even your life.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Right, you go to prison.
- 17:27Speaker 2: Because the stakes are so high, the system demands the
- 17:29Speaker 2: highest standard of proof. Beyond a reasonable doubt, the jury
- 17:33Speaker 2: has to be almost absolutely certain.
- 17:35Speaker 1: But a civil trial isn't about prison. It's about money.
- 17:38Speaker 2: Precisely. In a civil trial, no one is going to jail.
- 17:41Speaker 2: It's a dispute over liability and financial damages. Because liberty
- 17:45Speaker 2: isn't on the line, the burden of proof is much lower.
- 17:48Speaker 1: What's it called?
- 17:48Speaker 2: It's called a preponderance of the evidence. If you picture
- 17:52Speaker 2: the scales of justice on a table, you only have
- 17:54Speaker 2: to tip them a fraction of an inch to win
- 17:56Speaker 2: a civil case. You just have to prove that it
- 17:58Speaker 2: is 51% likely more probable than not that Jason caused
- 18:02Speaker 2: Shirley's death.
- 18:03Speaker 1: So the hurdle is incredibly low compared to criminal trial.
- 18:07Speaker 1: And during this civil trial, Jason takes the stand. By
- 18:11Speaker 1: all accounts from the sources, he performs terribly.
- 18:13Speaker 2: He did.
- 18:14Speaker 1: He comes across as insincere, shiftless, and defensive. The jury
- 18:18Speaker 1: looks at the financial motive, the missing gun, the bizarre
- 18:22Speaker 1: 911 call, and the documented lies, and they make their
- 18:24Speaker 1: decision remarkably fast. Very fast. Two hours. It takes a
- 18:28Speaker 1: jury just two hours to find Jason Carter liable for
- 18:31Speaker 1: his mother's death, and they order a staggering $ 10 million
- 18:34Speaker 1: judgment against him.
- 18:35Speaker 2: And this civil verdict acts as the catalyst. The state prosecutor,
- 18:39Speaker 2: Ed Bull, had been sitting in the gallery of the
- 18:41Speaker 2: civil trial taking notes the entire time.
- 18:43Speaker 1: Oh, really?
- 18:44Speaker 2: Yes. He was essentially using the civil trial as a
- 18:47Speaker 2: dry run to see how a jury would react to
- 18:49Speaker 2: the circumstantial evidence. The moment that $ 10 million verdict drops,
- 18:53Speaker 2: the state pounces.
- 18:54Speaker 1: They finally arrest him.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Detective Ludwig gets to put the handcuffs on Jason in
- 18:58Speaker 2: front of his teenage son, reportedly calling him a coward
- 19:02Speaker 2: in the process. Jason is officially charged with first-degree murder.
- 19:06Speaker 1: Now the stakes are ultimate. It's no longer about a
- 19:09Speaker 1: financial judgment. It's about Jason Carter spending the rest of
- 19:12Speaker 1: his natural life in a concrete cell without the possibility
- 19:15Speaker 1: of parole.
- 19:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 19:17Speaker 1: And the defense, led by attorney Christine Branstad, knows they
- 19:21Speaker 1: have to completely flip the script. They know the state
- 19:25Speaker 1: has no physical evidence connecting Jason to the crime. No fingerprints,
- 19:29Speaker 1: no murder weapon, no DNA.
- 19:30Speaker 2: Nothing physical.
- 19:31Speaker 1: And here is where the criminal trial takes a massive turn,
- 19:34Speaker 1: because the defense pulls out a trump card. They produce
- 19:37Speaker 1: surveillance video from a Cargill grain elevator located a full
- 19:41Speaker 1: hour's drive away from the Carter farm.
- 19:42Speaker 2: This is huge.
- 19:44Speaker 1: And this video shows Jason Carter in his semi-truck pulling
- 19:47Speaker 1: away from the elevator right around 10 a.m.
- 19:49Speaker 2: This is the critical moment where the burden of proof
- 19:53Speaker 2: shifts heavily. The defense brings in a medical expert who
- 19:56Speaker 2: testifies that based on the state of Shirley Carter's body
- 20:00Speaker 2: when she was found, the lividity and the initial stages
- 20:03Speaker 2: of rigor mortis she had been dead for approximately two hours.
- 20:06Speaker 2: That places the time of death squarely between 9 a.m.
- 20:10Speaker 2: and 10 a.m.
- 20:11Speaker 1: Which is the exact window when Jason Carter is demonstrably
- 20:15Speaker 1: on video an hour away from the farm. It's an
- 20:18Speaker 1: ironclad alibi for that specific time window.
- 20:21Speaker 2: And the defense doesn't just rest on the alibi. They
- 20:23Speaker 2: go on the offensive against the police investigation itself. They
- 20:27Speaker 2: utilize a tactic often called putting the police on trial.
- 20:32Speaker 1: Okay, what does that look like?
- 20:33Speaker 2: They put Detective Ludwig, the lead investigator for the state,
- 20:36Speaker 2: on the witness stand as a defense witness.
- 20:38Speaker 1: Which is a wild move.
- 20:39Speaker 2: It is, but it has highly effective in circumstantial cases.
- 20:43Speaker 2: They grill Ludwig about the rumors that were flying around
- 20:46Speaker 2: town by noon on the day of the murder.
- 20:48Speaker 1: Rumors about what?
- 20:48Speaker 2: Rumors about a burglary gone wrong involving three specific local
- 20:52Speaker 2: men who all had extensive criminal records.
- 20:55Speaker 1: So the defense's strategy here isn't necessarily to prove Jason
- 20:58Speaker 1: is a saint. It's to prove the police did a
- 21:00Speaker 1: bad job.
- 21:02Speaker 2: Exactly. When you are fighting a purely circumstantial case under
- 21:05Speaker 2: the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, your goal is
- 21:08Speaker 2: simply to introduce a single viable thread of alternative logic.
- 21:13Speaker 1: Just one seed of doubt.
- 21:14Speaker 2: Right. By establishing that three known criminals were operating in
- 21:18Speaker 2: the area and that the police essentially got tunnel vision
- 21:21Speaker 2: on Jason and failed to fully vet these alternative suspects,
- 21:25Speaker 2: the defense provides the jury with a different narrative.
- 21:28Speaker 1: They argued the police built a case against Jason rather
- 21:31Speaker 1: than building a case to solve a crime.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Precisely.
- 21:34Speaker 1: Jason doesn't even take the stand this time. His lawyers
- 21:37Speaker 1: refuse to let the prosecutor tear him apart like the
- 21:39Speaker 1: civil lawyers did. The jury goes into deliberation. And I
- 21:43Speaker 1: have to admit, when you look at the raw mechanics
- 21:46Speaker 1: of this, it is bewildering.
- 21:47Speaker 2: It really is.
- 21:48Speaker 1: How does a jury find him liable for $ 10 million
- 21:51Speaker 1: on a Tuesday and a totally different criminal jury lets
- 21:54Speaker 1: him walk free on a Thursday? Because that is exactly
- 21:57Speaker 1: what happens. Not guilty.
- 21:59Speaker 2: It perfectly illustrates the profound danger of circumstantial evidence when
- 22:03Speaker 2: it isn't tethered to forensic science. Without a smoking gun,
- 22:08Speaker 2: without DNA or a confession, a jury in a criminal
- 22:11Speaker 2: trial is forced to wrestle with that incredibly high standard
- 22:14Speaker 2: of proof.
- 22:15Speaker 1: Right.
- 22:16Speaker 2: The defense successfully weaponized the timeline. They weaponized the lack
- 22:20Speaker 2: of physical evidence. They weaponized the uninvestigated alternative suspects.
- 22:24Speaker 1: And it worked.
- 22:25Speaker 2: Under the strict umbrella of beyond a reasonable doubt, the
- 22:28Speaker 2: jury felt they had no choice but to acquit.
- 22:31Speaker 1: It is a staggering legal whiplash. The state says they
- 22:35Speaker 1: are certain they have the right guy, but the system
- 22:38Speaker 1: says he is innocent. It leaves Bill Carter completely devastated,
- 22:42Speaker 1: and Shirley Carter's murder officially becomes a cold case once again.
- 22:46Speaker 2: Just heartbreaking.
- 22:47Speaker 1: The truth is just out of reach, lost in this
- 22:49Speaker 1: fog of family testimony and circumstantial guesswork. Bill Carter was
- 22:53Speaker 1: left with a cold case because circumstantial evidence couldn't bridge
- 22:56Speaker 1: the gap of reasonable doubt. But what happens when that
- 22:58Speaker 1: dynamic is completely inverted? What happens when you have zero
- 23:03Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, zero suspects, but a mountain of undeniable, brutal
- 23:10Speaker 1: physical science?
- 23:11Speaker 2: That's a whole different ballgame.
- 23:12Speaker 1: You don't just get a court battle. You get a
- 23:14Speaker 1: ghost story.
- 23:15Speaker 2: To understand how paralyzing a lack of technology can be,
- 23:19Speaker 2: we have to rewind the clock and shift the paradigm entirely.
- 23:22Speaker 1: Right.
- 23:22Speaker 2: We were moving from a case with too many circumstantial
- 23:25Speaker 2: clues and no physical evidence to a case with terrifying
- 23:29Speaker 2: physical evidence and zero technological tools to process it.
- 23:33Speaker 1: We are going back to 1979. We need to paint
- 23:36Speaker 1: the picture of America and specifically Cedar Rapids, Iowa during
- 23:39Speaker 1: this era.
- 23:40Speaker 2: It was a very different world.
- 23:41Speaker 1: 1979 was a tumultuous time. You had the Iran hostage crisis,
- 23:45Speaker 1: the Three Mile Island nuclear accident, people waiting in massive
- 23:48Speaker 1: lines for gasoline. There was a palpable sense of anxiety
- 23:51Speaker 1: in the country. and crime rates were climbing.
- 23:53Speaker 2: But in a place like Cedar Rapids, there was still
- 23:55Speaker 2: this lingering innocence. People felt insulated from the violence they
- 23:59Speaker 2: saw in the evening news.
- 24:01Speaker 1: It was an era where the local shopping mall was
- 24:03Speaker 1: the absolute epicenter of community life.
- 24:05Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. The mall was the internet before the internet.
- 24:08Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 24:09Speaker 2: It was safe, brightly lit, and it was where teenagers
- 24:12Speaker 2: went to socialize. In Cedar Rapids, the brand new Westdale
- 24:15Speaker 2: Mall had just opened. It was massive, featuring over 100 stores.
- 24:21Speaker 2: And in the weeks leading up to Christmas, it was
- 24:22Speaker 2: packed with families experiencing it for the first time.
- 24:25Speaker 1: That brings us to 18-year-old Michelle Martinko. She is a
- 24:29Speaker 1: senior in high school, a beautiful, vibrant girl. Her friends
- 24:33Speaker 1: described her as a girly girl, someone who loved clothes,
- 24:37Speaker 1: sang in the concert choir, and just had this magnetic,
- 24:40Speaker 1: friendly personality.
- 24:41Speaker 2: She had her whole life ahead of her.
- 24:43Speaker 1: She was her parents' miracle baby, born when her mother
- 24:45Speaker 1: was 44. On the night of December 19th, 1979, she
- 24:50Speaker 1: leaves a school choir holiday banquet all dressed up and
- 24:53Speaker 1: heads over to the brand new Westdale Mall to do
- 24:55Speaker 1: some Christmas shopping.
- 24:57Speaker 2: She was carrying $ 180 in cash in her purse, which
- 25:00Speaker 2: in 1979 was a significant amount of money for a
- 25:02Speaker 2: teenager to be carrying around.
- 25:04Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of Christmas money.
- 25:05Speaker 2: She spent the evening wandering the mall, talking to friends,
- 25:08Speaker 2: entirely unaware that the illusion of safety in this new
- 25:11Speaker 2: community hub was about to be shattered in the most
- 25:14Speaker 2: horrific way imaginable.
- 25:16Speaker 1: She never comes home. At 4 a.m. the next morning,
- 25:19Speaker 1: police find her car in the mall parking lot. The
- 25:21Speaker 1: scene is a nightmare.
- 25:23Speaker 2: It really is.
- 25:24Speaker 1: Michelle has been brutally murdered. She was stabbed over 20
- 25:28Speaker 1: times in the chest, neck, and arms. There were defense
- 25:31Speaker 1: wounds on her hands showing she fought desperately for her life.
- 25:34Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 25:35Speaker 1: And I want to draw a direct parallel here.
- 25:37Speaker 2: To the Carter case.
- 25:37Speaker 1: Yes. Put yourself in the shoes of that original investigative team.
- 25:41Speaker 1: You open the car door, and there is Michelle's purse.
- 25:45Speaker 1: The $ 180 in cash is completely untouched. just like Shirley
- 25:48Speaker 1: Carter's purse on the high chair. What's the first thing
- 25:50Speaker 1: you rule out?
- 25:51Speaker 2: You instantly rule out a crime of opportunity or a
- 25:54Speaker 2: robbery gone wrong. When you find an untouched purse full
- 25:57Speaker 2: of cash in a mall parking lot, the motive shifts dramatically. Furthermore,
- 26:02Speaker 2: the medical examiner found no evidence of sexual assault. When
- 26:05Speaker 2: you remove robbery and you remove sexual assault from the
- 26:08Speaker 2: equation of a brutal stabbing with over 20 wounds, you
- 26:11Speaker 2: are left with a purely personal, intensely violent attack.
- 26:15Speaker 1: It's just rage.
- 26:16Speaker 2: It's just rage. A frenzied knife attack is intimate. It
- 26:20Speaker 2: suggests the killer wanted to destroy the victim, not take
- 26:23Speaker 2: from her.
- 26:24Speaker 1: It is terrifying to think about this happening at the
- 26:26Speaker 1: brand new mall just days before Christmas. The community was
- 26:30Speaker 1: in absolute shock. But here is the agonizing reality of
- 26:34Speaker 1: 1979 police work. They had essentially nothing to work with.
- 26:39Speaker 2: Nothing at all.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Think about the mall you grew up in compared to today.
- 26:42Speaker 1: There are no security cameras in the parking lot. There
- 26:44Speaker 1: are no cell phone towers to ping a suspect's location.
- 26:47Speaker 1: And most importantly, DNA testing as a forensic tool simply
- 26:50Speaker 1: does not exist yet.
- 26:52Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, investigators in
- 26:56Speaker 2: 1979 were operating with their hands tied behind their backs
- 26:58Speaker 2: by the limitations of their era. They had to rely
- 27:01Speaker 2: entirely on shoe leather detective work canvassing, conducting basic interviews,
- 27:06Speaker 2: chasing down rumors and trying to break alibis. They were
- 27:09Speaker 2: hunting a phantom using analog tools.
- 27:11Speaker 1: Just guessing, almost.
- 27:12Speaker 2: And the statistical reality of homicide investigation even back then
- 27:16Speaker 2: dictates a very specific starting point. Statistically, victims of violent
- 27:21Speaker 2: personal attacks are almost overwhelmingly killed by someone they know.
- 27:26Speaker 1: Which explained exactly why the police immediately zeroed in on
- 27:29Speaker 1: her inner circle. It seems like they got absolute tunnel
- 27:32Speaker 1: vision on two specific young men.
- 27:34Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
- 27:35Speaker 1: First, you have Andy Seidel, Michelle's ex-boyfriend. They had recently
- 27:38Speaker 1: broken up, and it wasn't a clean break. The police
- 27:42Speaker 1: and Michelle's own family immediately leaned into the classic if
- 27:45Speaker 1: I can't have her, no one can theory.
- 27:47Speaker 2: It's the most common motive in the history of domestic homicide.
- 27:51Speaker 2: It's entirely logical for investigators to start there. You always
- 27:54Speaker 2: work from the inner circle outward. But when the ex-boyfriend's
- 27:58Speaker 2: alibi holds up, or at least can't be definitively broken,
- 28:02Speaker 2: they have to cast the net to the next closest
- 28:04Speaker 2: point of contact. They ask, Who was the last person
- 28:08Speaker 2: to see her alive?
- 28:10Speaker 1: And that was a young man named Kurt Thomas. He
- 28:12Speaker 1: was a friend of Michelle's. They'd been in a school
- 28:14Speaker 1: play together. And he worked at a men's clothing store
- 28:16Speaker 1: right there in the mall.
- 28:17Speaker 2: Okay.
- 28:18Speaker 1: He spent time talking to her that night. Yeah. He
- 28:21Speaker 1: actually walked her to the mall exit as she was
- 28:24Speaker 1: bundling up to leave. And he recalled vividly decades later
- 28:29Speaker 1: that as she walked out into the cold parking lot,
- 28:31Speaker 1: she turned and gave him what he called the Michelle smile.
- 28:34Speaker 2: That moment, that final friendly interaction became the anchor of
- 28:38Speaker 2: a 40-year nightmare for Kurt Thomas.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Because he saw her last.
- 28:41Speaker 2: Because he was the last known contact, he became the
- 28:43Speaker 2: prime suspect. And the police utilized the only tools they had,
- 28:47Speaker 2: aggressive psychological interrogation.
- 28:49Speaker 1: That sounds awful.
- 28:50Speaker 2: Thomas described being hauled into the police station before he
- 28:53Speaker 2: even knew Michelle was dead. He endured intense good cop,
- 28:58Speaker 2: bad cop routines constantly. With detectives leaning over his chair,
- 29:02Speaker 2: screaming in his face, demanding to know why he killed her.
- 29:05Speaker 1: I mean, is that standard practice to just relentlessly hound
- 29:08Speaker 1: the ex-boyfriend and friend without any physical evidence? Or would
- 29:12Speaker 1: the police just desperate for a quick, close to a
- 29:14Speaker 1: high profile case?
- 29:16Speaker 2: It is a combination of both standard practice and desperation.
- 29:20Speaker 2: You have to understand the immense pressure on a police department.
- 29:23Speaker 2: when a beautiful teenager is slaughtered at the town's new
- 29:26Speaker 2: cultural center right before Christmas.
- 29:28Speaker 1: The public must have been furious.
- 29:30Speaker 2: The community is demanding an arrest. The statistical playbook says
- 29:34Speaker 2: it's the ex or the friend. So the police apply
- 29:37Speaker 2: maximum pressure, hoping someone cracks. Right. It is a valid
- 29:40Speaker 2: initial strategy, but it becomes a dangerous trap when you
- 29:43Speaker 2: are dealing with a stranger on stranger crime. The statistical
- 29:46Speaker 2: truth blinded them to the anomaly.
- 29:49Speaker 1: The toll this took on the living is heartbreaking.
- 29:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 29:52Speaker 1: Kurt Thomas was essentially haunted for his entire adult life
- 29:55Speaker 1: by the guilt of not walking her all the way
- 29:57Speaker 1: to her car. and by the shadow of suspicion hanging
- 30:00Speaker 1: over him.
- 30:01Speaker 2: And her parents.
- 30:02Speaker 1: Yeah, the deepest tragedy belongs to Michelle's parents, Albert and
- 30:06Speaker 1: Janet Martinko.
- 30:07Speaker 2: The collateral damage of an unsolved murder is immeasurable. The
- 30:11Speaker 2: Martinkos didn't just lose their miracle child, they lost their
- 30:14Speaker 2: peace entirely.
- 30:16Speaker 1: They were harassed, right?
- 30:17Speaker 2: They were subjected to horrific, cruel crank calls from people
- 30:20Speaker 2: laughing and asking terrible questions about their daughter. They lived
- 30:24Speaker 2: in a purgatory of suspicion, constantly wondering which of their
- 30:27Speaker 2: daughter's friends was secretly a monster.
- 30:30Speaker 1: Janet Martinko actually kept a diary as the years went by,
- 30:33Speaker 1: agonizing over who could have done this. She wrote down
- 30:36Speaker 1: Andy's name. She wrote down Kurt's name, circling it with
- 30:39Speaker 1: question marks. Both of Michelle's parents eventually died, never knowing
- 30:43Speaker 1: the truth, going to their graves, believing that one of
- 30:46Speaker 1: the boys from their daughter's inner circle got away with murder.
- 30:49Speaker 2: It's just so incredibly sad.
- 30:51Speaker 1: Decades pass. The millennium comes and goes. We get into
- 30:54Speaker 1: the era of forensics we know today. But in Cedar Rapids,
- 30:57Speaker 1: the Martinko case... It's just gathering dust on a shelf.
- 31:00Speaker 2: Until the science finally catches up to the crime scene.
- 31:03Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 31:03Speaker 2: In 2006, the Cedar Rapids Police Department makes a pivotal move.
- 31:08Speaker 2: They take the dormant physical evidence specifically, Michelle's dress and
- 31:12Speaker 2: some swabs from the gear shift of her car, and
- 31:15Speaker 2: they submit them for modern DNA testing.
- 31:17Speaker 1: And what happens?
- 31:18Speaker 2: They find it. They isolate a distinct male DNA profile
- 31:22Speaker 2: mixed intimately with Michelle's blood. They finally have the genetic
- 31:26Speaker 2: blueprint of the killer.
- 31:27Speaker 1: The first thing they do is go straight back to
- 31:29Speaker 1: the original suspects. They go to Andy Seidel. They swab him.
- 31:32Speaker 1: And he is not a match. He is completely clear.
- 31:35Speaker 2: Wow.
- 31:35Speaker 1: Then they go to Kurt Thomas, who is now living
- 31:37Speaker 1: out of state, married to a judge. And Kurt is
- 31:40Speaker 1: so traumatized by his treatment in 1979 that he initially
- 31:43Speaker 1: balks at giving his DNA.
- 31:45Speaker 2: I don't blame him.
- 31:46Speaker 1: His lawyer tells the police no. And the detective on
- 31:49Speaker 1: the phone literally hangs up and announces to the precinct, quote,
- 31:53Speaker 1: We got our fiffing killer because refusal looks like guilt.
- 31:57Speaker 2: It's a natural human assumption. If you are innocent, why
- 32:00Speaker 2: wouldn't you provide the swab to clear your name?
- 32:02Speaker 1: Right.
- 32:03Speaker 2: But from Kurt's perspective, the police had already tried to
- 32:05Speaker 2: frame him once. Psychologically, why would he trust them with
- 32:08Speaker 2: his biology?
- 32:09Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 32:10Speaker 2: However, reason prevails. He eventually provides the sample. And in
- 32:15Speaker 2: a shocking moment for the detectives who had chased him
- 32:17Speaker 2: for decades, he is not a match.
- 32:20Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Neither of them were. The statistical playbook had been completely wrong.
- 32:24Speaker 2: It was a stranger.
- 32:25Speaker 1: Which leaves the police with a massive problem. They have
- 32:28Speaker 1: the killer's DNA. But if that killer has never been
- 32:32Speaker 1: arrested for a felony and entered into the National CODIS database,
- 32:36Speaker 1: that DNA profile is just a meaningless string of letters.
- 32:40Speaker 1: It's a key without a lock.
- 32:41Speaker 2: Yeah, you need something to match it against.
- 32:43Speaker 1: Enter Detective Matt Denlinger in 2015. He takes over the
- 32:47Speaker 1: cold case. He is staring at 7,000 pages of dead-end reports.
- 32:53Speaker 1: And the breakthrough comes from the most mundane suburban source imaginable.
- 32:57Speaker 1: His wife's Christmas present.
- 32:59Speaker 2: This is where the story shifts from a tragedy into
- 33:01Speaker 2: a masterclass on the future of criminal investigation.
- 33:04Speaker 1: So what does this all mean?
- 33:06Speaker 2: Denlinger's wife receives an Ancestry.com DNA kit as a gift
- 33:10Speaker 2: to explore her family tree. And Denlinger has this absolute
- 33:15Speaker 2: lightbulb moment. Yeah. He realizes that commercial genealogy databases are
- 33:19Speaker 2: aggregating millions of DNA profiles from ordinary citizens who are
- 33:23Speaker 2: just looking for their heritage.
- 33:24Speaker 1: Right. Millions of data points.
- 33:26Speaker 2: What if they could take the killer's DNA and run
- 33:28Speaker 2: it through a similar system, not looking for the killer himself,
- 33:31Speaker 2: but looking for his cousins?
- 33:34Speaker 1: How did that actually work mechanically? How do you take
- 33:36Speaker 1: a bloodstain from 1979 and find someone's cousin?
- 33:40Speaker 2: It relies on a specific unit of genetic measurement called
- 33:43Speaker 2: a centimorgan. Okay. When you submit DNA to a specialized
- 33:47Speaker 2: database used for law enforcement like GEDmatch, which allows users
- 33:51Speaker 2: to opt in for law enforcement searches, the system looks
- 33:54Speaker 2: for shared blocks of DNA.
- 33:56Speaker 1: Right.
- 33:56Speaker 2: If you share a large number of centimorgans with someone,
- 33:58Speaker 2: you are closely related. If you share a small number,
- 34:01Speaker 2: you might be third or fourth cousins. The genealogists take
- 34:05Speaker 2: the killer's DNA profile and find a distant relative, say
- 34:08Speaker 2: a third cousin. They then used traditional genealogical research census records,
- 34:14Speaker 2: birth certificates, marriage licenses, and obituaries to painstakingly build that
- 34:19Speaker 2: person's family tree backward in time.
- 34:22Speaker 1: Just going through endless paper records.
- 34:24Speaker 2: Exactly, to find the common ancestors, like great-great-grandparents. Once they
- 34:28Speaker 2: find the common ancestors, they reverse direction and build the
- 34:31Speaker 2: tree forward, tracing every single descendant of those ancestors until
- 34:35Speaker 2: they find a branch of the family that lived in
- 34:37Speaker 2: the right place at the right time, with the right
- 34:40Speaker 2: physical characteristics.
- 34:41Speaker 1: That is an incredible amount of mathematical and historical triangulation.
- 34:46Speaker 1: It means the birth of genetic genealogy in law enforcement.
- 34:49Speaker 2: It really is a game changer.
- 34:50Speaker 1: They partner with Parabon NanoLabs, a pioneer in this field. Now,
- 34:54Speaker 1: instead of waiting for a suspect to get arrested to
- 34:56Speaker 1: check his DNA, the DNA itself builds a map to
- 34:59Speaker 1: the suspect.
- 34:59Speaker 2: Which is incredible.
- 35:01Speaker 1: The lab finds a partial match, a distant relative of
- 35:04Speaker 1: the killer living in Washington state. And genealogists used that
- 35:08Speaker 1: tiny genetic thread to build a massive family tree, tracing
- 35:12Speaker 1: the branches all the way back to a town of 5,000 people, Manchester, Iowa,
- 35:18Speaker 1: just 45 minutes away from the murder scene.
- 35:20Speaker 2: It is a monumental paradigm-shifting moment in policing. Traditional police
- 35:24Speaker 2: work operates outside in. You find a suspect through motive
- 35:27Speaker 2: and opportunity, and you test their DNA to confirm.
- 35:30Speaker 1: Right, like they did with the ex-boyfriend.
- 35:32Speaker 2: Yes. Genetic genealogy operates inside out. The DNA identifies the
- 35:36Speaker 2: suspect's family, and you work your way down the branches
- 35:39Speaker 2: until you find someone who fits the profile of the killer.
- 35:41Speaker 1: And who did they find?
- 35:42Speaker 2: In this case, the family tree narrowed the entire global
- 35:45Speaker 2: population down to just three brothers living in Iowa. Jerry, Kenneth,
- 35:49Speaker 2: and Donald Burns.
- 35:50Speaker 1: Three brothers. Completely ordinary, family-oriented businessmen. No criminal records. No
- 35:56Speaker 1: known connections to Michelle Martinko or the Westdale Mall.
- 35:59Speaker 2: Nothing obvious.
- 36:00Speaker 1: So how do you find out which one is the
- 36:01Speaker 1: monster without tipping them off and causing them to flee
- 36:05Speaker 1: or destroy evidence? You execute a covert DNA heist. The
- 36:10Speaker 1: detectives lock down their operation in total secrecy.
- 36:13Speaker 2: The tradecraft here is fascinating because of the legal hurdles.
- 36:17Speaker 2: The Fourth Amendment protects Sissons from unreasonable searches and seizures.
- 36:22Speaker 2: You cannot just walk up to these men and demand
- 36:24Speaker 2: a mouth swab without probable cause.
- 36:26Speaker 1: Because they haven't done anything yet, legally. Right.
- 36:29Speaker 2: However, the Fourth Amendment does not protect abandoned property. Once
- 36:32Speaker 2: you throw something away or leave it in a public place,
- 36:35Speaker 2: you forfeit your expectation of privacy. Law enforcement uses this
- 36:39Speaker 2: legal standard to gather what is known as surreptitious DNA.
- 36:43Speaker 1: The detectives start tailing the brothers. They follow Kenneth Burns
- 36:46Speaker 1: to a golf course clubhouse. They wait for him to
- 36:48Speaker 1: finish his lunch, and the moment he leaves, they swoop in...
- 36:51Speaker 1: and bagged the straw from his drinking glass.
- 36:53Speaker 2: Wow.
- 36:54Speaker 1: They rush into the state crime lab. A few days later,
- 36:57Speaker 1: the results come back. Not a match. One brother down.
- 37:00Speaker 2: Okay, two left.
- 37:01Speaker 1: Next, they head to Davenport, where Donald Burns lives. They
- 37:04Speaker 1: stake out his house, wait for garbage day, and dig
- 37:07Speaker 1: through his trash at the curb to find a discarded
- 37:10Speaker 1: glass and a toothbrush. They test it. Not a match.
- 37:14Speaker 1: Two brothers down.
- 37:15Speaker 2: By the process of elimination, the statistical certainty narrows to
- 37:19Speaker 2: a razor's edge. It leaves the brother that the detectives
- 37:21Speaker 2: originally felt was the least likely suspect, based on his
- 37:24Speaker 2: quiet demeanor, Jerry Burns, a 64-year-old businessman in Manchester, Iowa.
- 37:30Speaker 1: They tail Jerry on his lunch break to a local
- 37:32Speaker 1: Pizza Ranch buffet. They sit and watch him eat, and
- 37:35Speaker 1: when he gets up and walks away from his table,
- 37:37Speaker 1: leaving his trash behind, a detective simply walks over and
- 37:40Speaker 1: pockets the plastic straw from his drink.
- 37:42Speaker 2: Just casually pockets it?
- 37:43Speaker 1: That piece of plastic, pulled from a suburban Pizza Ranch,
- 37:46Speaker 1: is rushed to the lab. When the phone rings, the
- 37:49Speaker 1: lab technician tells them the news that drops their jaws
- 37:51Speaker 1: to the floor. It is a 1 in 100 billion match.
- 37:55Speaker 2: Incredible.
- 37:56Speaker 1: The DNA from the straw matches the DNA found on
- 37:58Speaker 1: Michelle Martinko's dress 40 years earlier.
- 38:01Speaker 2: To put that in perspective, a 1 in 100 billion
- 38:04Speaker 2: probability is as close to absolute scientific certainty as you
- 38:08Speaker 2: can achieve on planet Earth. There are only about 8
- 38:11Speaker 2: billion people alive. Right. It meant that after four decades
- 38:14Speaker 2: of false leads, ruined lives, and a shattered community, They
- 38:18Speaker 2: finally had their man. But, you know, having the DNA
- 38:21Speaker 2: is only half the battle.
- 38:22Speaker 1: You still have to prove it in court.
- 38:24Speaker 2: You still have to confront the suspect, navigate a trial,
- 38:26Speaker 2: and secure a conviction.
- 38:28Speaker 1: Which leads to December 19th, 2018. Highlight that specific date
- 38:32Speaker 1: in your mind because it is exactly, to the day,
- 38:36Speaker 1: the 39th anniversary of Michelle's murder.
- 38:38Speaker 2: That is not a coincidence.
- 38:39Speaker 1: The police did not choose that date by accident. Detective
- 38:42Speaker 1: Demlinger and a retired detective walk right into Jerry Byrne's
- 38:45Speaker 1: office in Manchester wearing hidden cameras. They sit down, play nice,
- 38:49Speaker 1: and slowly spring the trap. Denlinger shows Jerry a picture
- 38:52Speaker 1: of Michelle. Jerry flatly denies knowing her, denies being there,
- 38:56Speaker 1: denies everything.
- 38:57Speaker 2: The undercover recording is a masterclass in reading criminal psychology.
- 39:00Speaker 1: Oh, so?
- 39:01Speaker 2: Jerry Burns appears completely unflappable. When Denlinger finally leaves his
- 39:05Speaker 2: cards on the table, saying, I already have your DNA,
- 39:08Speaker 2: I know it's going to match, Jerry doesn't panic, he
- 39:11Speaker 2: doesn't sweat, he doesn't confess, he remains entirely stoic.
- 39:15Speaker 1: That is chilling.
- 39:16Speaker 2: Even later, when he is arrested and sitting in the
- 39:18Speaker 2: back of the police cruiser, Dellinger presses him again. Jerry
- 39:23Speaker 2: makes a chilling, deeply revealing statement. He suggests, quote, you
- 39:27Speaker 2: block things out, your memories.
- 39:29Speaker 1: It's like he is testing out a defense strategy in
- 39:32Speaker 1: real time, floating the idea of amnesia rather than admitting guilt.
- 39:35Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 39:36Speaker 1: But he goes to trial, facing life in prison without parole.
- 39:40Speaker 1: And this courtroom battle pits the emotional weight of a
- 39:43Speaker 1: 40-year tragedy against complex genetic science. The defense attorney, Leon Spies,
- 39:49Speaker 1: knows he cannot deny the DNA match. You can't fight
- 39:51Speaker 1: a 1 in 100 billion statistic.
- 39:53Speaker 2: No, you can't.
- 39:54Speaker 1: So he has to explain how the DNA got there innocently.
- 39:57Speaker 2: This raises an important question. How do you defend the indefensible?
- 40:00Speaker 2: You attack the mechanism of the evidence. The defense relies
- 40:04Speaker 2: entirely on an expert witness, Dr. Michael Spence, who introduces
- 40:07Speaker 2: the jury to the DNA transfer theory. This is rooted
- 40:11Speaker 2: in a real forensic concept called Locard's exchange principle. which
- 40:14Speaker 2: states that every contact leaves a trace.
- 40:17Speaker 1: Right, if I hug you, I leave fibers from my
- 40:19Speaker 1: sweater on your jacket.
- 40:20Speaker 2: Exactly. But modern forensics has expanded Lockhart's principle to include
- 40:24Speaker 2: secondary transfer, often involving touch DNA.
- 40:28Speaker 1: Okay, what is that?
- 40:29Speaker 2: The theory is that DNA can be transferred without direct contact.
- 40:32Speaker 2: You shake someone's hand, they touch a door handle, someone
- 40:35Speaker 2: else touches the handle, and suddenly your DNA is at
- 40:38Speaker 2: a crime scene you never visited.
- 40:39Speaker 1: I see.
- 40:40Speaker 2: Dr. Spence testifies that it is plausible that... that Jerry
- 40:43Speaker 2: Burns' DNA ended up on Michelle's dress through a sneeze,
- 40:47Speaker 2: a cough, or some innocent brushing contact at the mall
- 40:50Speaker 2: earlier that evening.
- 40:51Speaker 1: Wait, I have to push back on this. Could someone
- 40:53Speaker 1: really sneeze on a dress, walk away, and 40 years
- 40:56Speaker 1: later get convicted of a brutal 20 stab wound murder?
- 41:00Speaker 2: It sounds absurd when juxtaposed with the brutality of the crime,
- 41:03Speaker 2: but legally and scientifically, the defense had no other play.
- 41:07Speaker 2: They had to offer the jury an alternative narrative to
- 41:10Speaker 2: explain the physical evidence.
- 41:12Speaker 1: Right. Going for reasonable doubt.
- 41:14Speaker 2: Is DNA transfer real? Yes. In highly controlled laboratory settings,
- 41:18Speaker 2: secondary transfer is a documented phenomenon. Is it plausible that
- 41:23Speaker 2: a random sneeze in a crowded mall deposited enough DNA
- 41:27Speaker 2: to survive funny years mixed intimately in the victim's blood
- 41:31Speaker 2: on the fabric of her dress?
- 41:32Speaker 1: It seems impossible.
- 41:33Speaker 2: That strains credulity to the breaking point. But remember, the
- 41:37Speaker 2: Carter case, a defense attorney only needs to plant a
- 41:39Speaker 2: seed of reasonable doubt. They were hoping the jury would
- 41:42Speaker 2: lash onto the sheer weirdness and complexity of the science.
- 41:46Speaker 1: What the jury didn't know is almost as wild as
- 41:48Speaker 1: what they did know. The prosecution was legally blocked by
- 41:51Speaker 1: the judge from showing the jury Jerry Burns' internet search history.
- 41:55Speaker 2: This is a huge point.
- 41:57Speaker 1: When they seized his computers, they found horrific graphic searches
- 42:01Speaker 1: involving necrophilia, violence against blonde women, and assault. Stuff like
- 42:07Speaker 1: blonde molested after getting strangled and sex with freshly dead person.
- 42:12Speaker 1: Why would a judge keep that from a jury? Isn't
- 42:14Speaker 1: that the ultimate proof of his mindset?
- 42:16Speaker 2: It's incredibly frustrating for prosecutors, but it is a fundamental
- 42:20Speaker 2: safeguard in the justice system, specifically governed by what is
- 42:23Speaker 2: known as Rule 403.
- 42:25Speaker 1: Okay, what is Rule 403?
- 42:26Speaker 2: Rule 403 states that evidence can be excluded if its
- 42:29Speaker 2: probative value is substantially outweighed by a danger of unfair prejudice.
- 42:33Speaker 1: Meaning, if the jury hears it, they'll hate him so
- 42:36Speaker 1: much they won't even look at the facts of the crime.
- 42:38Speaker 2: Exactly. The judge ruled that while the search history suggested
- 42:41Speaker 2: a dark, pathological mindset, it was highly inflammatory. If the
- 42:45Speaker 2: jury heard about necrophilia searches, they might convict Jerry Burns
- 42:49Speaker 2: for who he is, a person with grotesque fantasies, rather
- 42:52Speaker 2: than convicting him strictly based on the physical evidence of
- 42:55Speaker 2: what he did in 1979. It deprived the prosecution of
- 42:58Speaker 2: a clear motive, the psychological thrill of the kill. But
- 43:01Speaker 2: it ensured the trial remained focused on the scientific facts
- 43:04Speaker 2: of the Martinko case.
- 43:06Speaker 1: Even without the search history, the prosecution brings in a
- 43:09Speaker 1: jailhouse informant, Michael Allison, who shared a cell block with Jerry.
- 43:13Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 43:14Speaker 1: And Allison testifies that Jerry was incredibly arrogant behind bars,
- 43:17Speaker 1: calling him favorite, son, and actually autographing a newspaper article
- 43:22Speaker 1: about his own murder trial for him. He said Jerry
- 43:25Speaker 1: felt like he won because he got to live 40
- 43:27Speaker 1: years of a free life with his family before getting caught.
- 43:30Speaker 2: That testimony shattered the defense's portrait of Jerry as a gentle,
- 43:34Speaker 2: ordinary businessman who might have accidentally sneezed on someone in 1979.
- 43:39Speaker 2: It showed a chilling level of narcissism and detachment.
- 43:42Speaker 1: It really did.
- 43:43Speaker 2: When you combine the arrogance of the jailhouse behavior with
- 43:46Speaker 2: the irrefutable reality of the DNA match, the defense's secondary
- 43:50Speaker 2: transfer theory simply couldn't hold water.
- 43:53Speaker 1: The jury agreed. After a long trial, it took them
- 43:56Speaker 1: just three hours to return a verdict. Guilty of first-degree murder?
- 44:00Speaker 1: Jerry Burns was sentenced to life in prison without the
- 44:03Speaker 1: possibility of parole.
- 44:04Speaker 2: It's amazing it finally ended.
- 44:06Speaker 1: Michelle Martinko's family finally got their answer, even if her
- 44:10Speaker 1: parents weren't alive to hear it.
- 44:12Speaker 2: It is a profound resolution that perfectly illustrates the shifting
- 44:15Speaker 2: landscape of truth. In the Shirley Carter case, we saw
- 44:19Speaker 2: how relying on family testimony, circumstantial financial motives, and shifting
- 44:23Speaker 2: timelines resulted in a devastating lack of closure.
- 44:26Speaker 1: Right. The truth was lost in the legal maneuvering between
- 44:30Speaker 1: civil and criminal thresholds.
- 44:31Speaker 2: But with Michelle Martinko, a single microscopic drop of DNA
- 44:36Speaker 2: combined with the revolutionary power of genetic genealogy... managed to
- 44:41Speaker 2: reach across four decades to pull the truth into the light.
- 44:44Speaker 1: It's like science fiction.
- 44:45Speaker 2: The science succeeded where human intuition and analog police work failed.
- 44:50Speaker 1: It really makes you question the nature of proof and
- 44:52Speaker 1: how many cold cases are just waiting for the right
- 44:54Speaker 1: piece of technology to unlock them. But before we wrap
- 44:57Speaker 1: up today, I want to leave you with one final,
- 45:00Speaker 1: incredibly chilling thought to mull over.
- 45:02Speaker 2: Oh, this is the craziest part.
- 45:04Speaker 1: Something that wasn't a major focus of the trial, but
- 45:07Speaker 1: is sitting right there in the facts of the case today.
- 45:09Speaker 1: Defying mathematical probability. Think about the dates surrounding Jerry Burns.
- 45:15Speaker 2: Right.
- 45:15Speaker 1: He murdered Michelle Martenko on December 19th. 39 years later,
- 45:20Speaker 1: Detective Denlinger chooses to confront and arrest him on December 19th.
- 45:24Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 45:24Speaker 1: But here is the piece that will keep you awake tonight.
- 45:27Speaker 1: Jerry's own cousin, a man named Brian Burns, vanished off
- 45:31Speaker 1: the face of the earth on December 19th in a
- 45:33Speaker 1: completely unsolved disappearance.
- 45:35Speaker 2: It's just too weird.
- 45:37Speaker 1: Add to that the fact that Jerry Burns bears a striking,
- 45:40Speaker 1: almost twin-like physical resemblance to the composite sketch of the
- 45:43Speaker 1: suspect in the famous 1995 unsolved disappearance of Iowa news
- 45:47Speaker 1: anchor Jody Heisentree.
- 45:49Speaker 2: It's terrifying to think about.
- 45:50Speaker 1: It makes you wonder as you picture that idyllic Iowa heartland.
- 45:54Speaker 1: Did the science just stop a man with one victim
- 45:56Speaker 1: from 1979? Or did that plastic straw from a pizza
- 46:00Speaker 1: ranch interrupt a multi-decade serial killer hiding right in plain
- 46:04Speaker 1: sight behind a small-town smile? Protected for years by the
- 46:07Speaker 1: very illusion of safety we all want to believe in.
- 46:10Speaker 1: Keep questioning what you know.