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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP43 - Skaldic Traditions & Grassroots Heathenry · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  All right, folks, hail and welcome back to this week's
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  There we go. Wherever it is that you catch
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  your podcasts. So, appreciate you all coming
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  back being here this week. Got some guests lined up for us
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  today, who have an online and Grassroots group in the
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  southwestern, Ohio area, as I recall I'm going to need to pull
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  up my handy-dandy yeah, Southwest Ohio.
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  So we're going to be bringing on to folks Heidi Beth and Roger
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  these. These folks run the runestone
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  heathens Of Southwest Ohio. It's a Facebook group.
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  It's a Facebook Community but as I understand it they also have
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  very regular. You know Grass Roots type stuff.
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  You know they do things with people in a very Grassroots sort
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  of approach on things and so if you're not on Facebook and
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  you're hearing about this for the first time going to be
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  talking with them today and try to get as much information
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  about, you know what they're doing.
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  I have been corresponding back and forth with them a bit via
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  email and another really neat thing that at least Roger is
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  involved with is Being a scold and finding the place in modern
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  times for the scald. So he plays a liar or lie, or
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  whatever the the string and kind of harp instrument that you see
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  like something like that over there that you see on the, in
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  the background. But yes, hoping to have some of
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  his, you know, Talent displayed here on the podcast today and
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  and just talk about, you know, that.
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  And some else of what Doing in the Southwest Ohio area.
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  So without further Ado, let's go ahead and welcome in Roger and
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  Heidi Beth of the runestone heathens of Southwestern Ohio.
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  This meeting is being recorded. Yeah.
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  Right. Folks, will we are here and with
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  Roger and Heidi Abney, who are first-time guest on the podcast.
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  But as I've come to learn long time, lurkers supporters viewers
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  of midgard musings and now the podcast.
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  So, welcome to the show. Roger and I T.
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  Thank you hail and well met. Jesse appreciate that.
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  I appreciate that. So it was great.
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  I actually got reached out to Bye.
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  Heidi. Over an email, I guess it was
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  like, you know, last week or sometime and we've kind of
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  correspondent back and forth and you guys gave me a little bit of
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  your background, but we were just talking a bit offline about
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  our backgrounds respectively and I think that would be a neat
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  place to start for the listeners and the viewers.
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  If you don't mind just kind of rehashing some of that, I know
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  it was mostly me telling you about what's going on up here.
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  But you had some neat things to say about what you guys are
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  doing in your neck of the woods, which is Southwest Ohio.
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  Is that right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. And we're in, we're just south
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  of Dayton. So we're kind of in the
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  Cincinnati Dayton area and we have well what I was mentioning
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  was about to adopt two and a half years ago, we had decided
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  we were ready to start trying to find others in the area who were
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  Heathen that we could practice with.
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  Because there wasn't, we knew some old School heathens, we
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  have some members who of our local community group.
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  Runestone heathens of Southwestern Ohio that have been
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  practicing Heathen since the 70s and 80s.
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  So, we knew these older members who had been through a lot and
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  seeing the changes that also, true and Heathen re have been
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  through over the years but finding people that we could get
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  together with and learn from and meet there, just wasn't really
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  anything. In the area.
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  There's a vibrant Pagan community in the area but an
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  actual northern European Germanic religious-based group.
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  There wasn't really anything. So yeah.
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  Yeah, we kind of started. I listen when I was I've only
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  been Heathen for maybe pushing three years, but I was I was
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  Norse Wiccan before that everybody laughs and turn the
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  podcast off, but don't do that. Say that you Just opened up a
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  follow-up question for me then, because what is even that is
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  would be a question, but go ahead.
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  I'll come back to it. Okay, yeah.
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  So, you know, it was basically through Rune work that I became
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  interested in like, full-on Heath Andre because I was
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  already Norse Wiccan. It started, getting heavy into
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  the runes and decided it's time to leave the wiccan ritual forms
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  behind. And Take on learn this new form
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  of ritual. So, I was listening to a lot of
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  the Ravens call Eric shervin. Yeah.
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  When I when I was first learning because he had a lot of good,
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  information is great podcast. Yeah, I've had him on the show a
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  couple of times and he's been a good friend of mine for years
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  now, so that's great to know that you found him and that he
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  has kind of helped you segue into this.
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  Yeah, I was listening to his podcast and that's how I learned
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  about yours and started listening to yours, too.
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  Around the same time. And so he was talking, you know,
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  as a video, that's titled something.
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  Like what do I do if there's no heathens in my area and he gave
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  this, this blueprint of, you know, start a Facebook groups,
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  advertise, it start having moots, take pictures at your
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  moods, it don't matter. If you're the only one there,
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  take pictures post it. Let people know that you're
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  there. So having Heidi and doing that
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  was Major blessing because having both of us, it attracted
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  a like different kinds of people, highly attracts people
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  that I wouldn't attract and vice versa.
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  But we followed that that prescription, that he gave
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  there. And we've been fortunate that
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  the gods have blessed. It's humming young and, and
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  grown it. Absolutely, absolutely, we've
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  been fortunate, but we've also put in a lot of work.
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  We've, it's Rune Stones taken a lot of work.
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  Winston heathens. It was founded in October of
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  2020 and yep two years we've just been doing it to you.
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  I know when people find that out there like we thought you were
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  around forever know I've been Pagan myself and then switch to
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  Heathen a few years ago. But Pagan for 28 years.
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  So, I've been walking this path for a very long time.
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  But the the call of the Norse gods was when I resisted for a
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  little while. Because as a woman, it can be a
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  little intimidating to become Heathen.
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  It's theirs, it's so masculine and it's perception.
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  And yeah, that was fun things. I really set out to try and
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  change and so I've done a lot of my focus on making people more
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  comfortable with the feminine side of it, and I started a
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  group this year for women for magic practitioners of the
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  northern European Traditions. So I have a group that focuses
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  specifically on feminine magic and that was so like you said,
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  we tend to attract different aspects of people to the group
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  and then when they get together they realize they have things in
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  common and so it has been It's been a really good thing for us,
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  but it is definitely work. And we also, when we started,
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  that group were fortunate to have people who have been in the
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  community for a long time, taking an interest in what we
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  were doing. Yes.
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  And that really helped to sink Our Roots into the Earth.
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  Yep. So I'm sure it because like to
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  your point when you were saying that some of the people that you
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  knew who have been doing this you know since the 70s and 80s
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  before there was the internet before there was any of you know
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  all your research was in books. There was no you couldn't just
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  go. Something.
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  If you had a question it was it was real, you know, nose to the
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  grindstone boots on the ground, real work to studying and
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  learning of things. And so now you've got people
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  like that that are seeing I guess a fresher newer
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  perspective that it would I'm sure draw some interest and
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  attention from the veterans of the industry as it were right.
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  Yeah that have been around and seeing things and it's you know
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  it's I don't know of course I don't have that many years under
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  my belt just from living I was born.
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  In 84, but just knowing the progression of heathen real.
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  Like I've heard crazy things about the way it was in the 90s
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  and then the is the insertion of the growth of the modern, the
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  Asatru movement, you know, from like in the 70s I guess it was
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  and how it kind of turned into. I always always looked at
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  because when you were mentioning her before about like Norse
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  Wiccan, I always thought that also true was this, was that it
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  was wicked with a Norse veneer or, you know, They follow much
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  of the Wicked Wheel for their celebrations.
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  Their holy Tides instead of maybe leaning more towards the
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  the more historical. Yeah.
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  Reckoning of when holy Tides were kept keeping in mind also
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  the regional differences of you know how the swedes did it
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  versus how the Norwegians did it versus how the Danes would have
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  done or the icelanders or, you know, all of those Folks up
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  there and then you course you have Mainland Germania the the
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  Ins, and all of that too. So it becomes quite the The you
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  know, you you really get into the minutiae of it, all you get
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  into the nitty-gritty and you're like, well, where do I fit in?
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  And I know your kind of made it like, well here you can just do
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  everything and be, you know, I think that was part of the
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  growing pains for for early also true.
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  When you go back to like the founding of the truth and things
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  like that. A lot of the people were trained
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  in Wicca already and so naturally, those practices are
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  going Kind of color what they're doing in a more
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  Reconstructionist religion. So but yeah, I mean it's
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  something that scholarship evolves on and the more that you
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  study reading things like HR Ellis Davidson and yeah like
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  Rudolph's iMac and things like that.
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  You there's plenty to put together a coherent and vibrant
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  practice without having to lean on.
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  Ceremonial magic and things like that, although I still use a
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  hammer hollowing. So, hey, if that's what if
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  that's what works for you, right?
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  I've been an advocate of if it works for you, then, you know,
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  your how you Heathen, how anyone heathens?
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  Whether it's a individual solitary practitioner or whether
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  it's in a group setting, whether it be a kindred or tribe or
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  whatever, you know, your Collective is called, whatever
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  works for you, you know what, it's not going to work for
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  everybody. It's not, it's not That in that
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  way. So and I think a lot of it to
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  comes from doing things, figuring it out.
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  And yep, that work. They're not at that really
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  didn't work. So well, let's try something
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  different and kind of being of all, you know, of allowing
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  ourselves to evolve and grow through the doing of things and
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  practice. Union, figuring it out as you
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  go. And we've done a lot of that.
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  We've, we were involved with the also true Community for quite a
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  while. Probably about.
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  I'm not quite a while 18 months. And we worked with them because
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  we were looking for guidance on how to we in founding a
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  community organization. We wanted to make sure we
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  actually serve the community so we were looking for guidance on
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  ways to actually do the service and the also true Community had
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  some good framework. So we and we knew totally no.
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  Topher weave. I've done ritual with Topher
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  before. So that was a nice place to
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  start. But then we kind of branched out
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  because that's more for people who are online and don't have
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  access to in person and we wanted in person even through
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  covid. We were, we were focused on when
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  covid Z over. This is what we're doing to get
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  in person. Yeah.
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  And so, and it was around that time, I was listening to Eric
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  shervin's like We need to go this Grouse, this Grassroots
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  route. Yep.
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  And we're members of the truth, but we're not like ambassadors
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  of the truth or anything like that.
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  We just support what the truth does and the excellent
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  literature. Their scholarship is really
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  Beyond Compare and it was it was something where we're just
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  trying to pull in the good elements of things that we see.
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  And our philosophy is if your Heathen or your Asatru, or your
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  Vana true, or your Roca, true, or your, or your Heathen
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  friendly or Heathen light, or your Pagan and you don't have a
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  home. Then our group is one that can
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  provide you with access to others, as long as you're
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  willing to be open and inclusive and your, your interest is in
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  the Purity of creating something good, you're not looking to
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  create something that's divisive.
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  And that's I think one of the hardest parts when you create
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  something like this is especially for those of us in
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  the Heathen Community. You know, we have unfortunately,
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  some some negative press from some bad apples and we, oh, you
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  know, we're forced to take a stand so that we make sure that
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  it's understood what our Mission is but then we don't want that
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  to be the totality of what we do.
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  The whole thing is religion. Yeah, and and, you know, I think
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  for me, that was what finally pulled me into Heathen re after
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  having a dream from Odin, that told me, you know, this is where
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  you need to go. And then I was like, it, finally
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  felt like I had that spiritual home, and it felt grounded in
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  antiquity. Me and it felt it felt like I
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  had the ability to connect with something greater than myself,
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  which I had been looking for for a long time.
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  And so we just want to give other people that chance to have
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  that experience to. Yeah, and there's no pressure in
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  runestone. I mean you, come and go and
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  rice. You, hey, you grow with us or
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  you go other places. It's, you know, it's just a
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  place to gather resources. Yep.
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  Yeah. And I love them group.
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  Make make human connections. So thank you.
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  I know, I love that. You're part of it.
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  I appreciate the invite and or point me in the direction
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  because, you know, from from your, in my initial email and
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  you kind of, you know, laid it all out and introduce yourselves
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  offered the. Runestone heathens group was
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  like, yeah, sure. I'll check it out.
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  I mean, why not? You know, and it's honestly and
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  I've only been in there just for, like, the last week or so,
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  and still kind of scrolling through and seeing really,
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  really cool stuff. I mean Mean all of the the
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  educational content, some of the people that are engaging in
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  their freely sharing their own UPG, which I think is very
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  important nowadays to dissimulate.
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  The differences between you know Source material and UPG and to
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  not discount utg. It should not discourage and you
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  shouldn't be discounted. There's so much of what we
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  experience day-to-day with our individual cultic practices in
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  our homes, as well as when we share ritual with others, All
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  right, that is largely. Or if not entirely that UPG
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  moment or experience that is valid, and it makes absolute
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  sense in the moment. And it, you know, like I say it
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  validates what we're looking for, whether it's, you know,
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  that spirituality, that that community, that that place to
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  call home as it were. So I don't, you know, as long as
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  it's as long as it's just, you know, we give that disclaimer
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  that, hey, this is what I think and this is my UPG Let it Fly as
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  what I say, you know. Yep.
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  And that was another thing. That was integral in the
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  foundation of the group was providing resources for people,
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  because if you join Heathen groups, previously, and you
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  asked a question from times, you were afraid of how it was going
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  to be perceived. Whether you were going to be
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  seen as ignorant, or you were going to be getting 15 different
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  opinions and being an argument. And we just wanted to give
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  people basic tools to start for themselves.
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  You know, here's a reading list of books that we know are from
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  safe sources. They have good foundational
• 19:49
  information, but always from there, do with it.
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  Like you said, what it, what works for you?
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  So I think that was intimidating was for a lot of people finding
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  that resource information because if you ask Old-school
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  here then how you learn how to be Heathen, they're going to
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  tell you to read the poetic Edda and the sagas and you're like,
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  okay, there's so much more to it than that, you know, what did I
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  do? Yeah.
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  But then why, you know, I go okay.
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  You want me to read, you know stuff that's, you know, a
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  thousand years old, that was relevant to the time and that's
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  that's one thing. I think that gets lost in all of
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  this is is and you guys may be can weigh in on this too from.
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  So like Heidi, you For instance, you were Pagan for several
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  decades. Nearly right Roger.
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  You said you came into this from being as you called it Norse
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  Wiccan for how many, for how long.
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  Well, I've been begging all together for about six years.
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  Okay, so, he then for right around 3:00 and I spent the
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  first three Wiccan and okay, real study in the crap out of
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  Taro as a mystery tradition. okay, so you know you've got,
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  you know, collectively you've got nearly, you know, four
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  decades worth of of Non-traditional religious
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  beliefs or practices, right? And all of, which are rooted in
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  different things and have backgrounds and different, you
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  know, different areas different times.
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  But my whole thing is like, you know, we are modern pagans.
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  We are practicing many of us old ways in modern times.
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  So you get told as a newer Pagan or as a newbie or somebody
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  coming into this, do you know it.
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  Get told to go back and they get I told to read all these things
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  that are maybe a bit archaic or I don't have relevancy, they're
• 21:48
  still important because they lay the framework, they lay the
• 21:51
  foundation down. I said I still think some of
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  these things are important but they don't have any like, where
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  do you, where do you apply it? Like, why why is, why is the
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  halva Mall? Such a big deal, right?
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  Well, there's there's, there's words of wisdom there.
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  There's things that are important for Norse, pagans to
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  take away from in the Hall of them all.
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  But it's like, literally just the scratching of a surface and
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  why was it important? Why were those things?
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  Why is it so Harp the pain in the Hall of mul to be a
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  hospitable guest in the hospitable hosts.
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  Well you need to understand the culture.
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  You need to understand that at the time and why things like
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  that were so important. So it has to be there's
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  relevance to it all and without learning the culture with now,
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  without getting into understanding, what World Views
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  were like back then you're kind of just, you don't, you don't
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  have it yet. It's hard to apply it in a
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  modern context. What do you guys think, right?
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  Yeah, you get. You'll get part of it.
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  It, you know, cattle die Kinsmen Die.
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  So one dies oneself, you'll get the things like that when if you
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  read Hobb them all with no type of, okay?
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  Here's what I'm looking for when I go into this kind of
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  foundation, but then you'll start reading about Odin going
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  into goon, Lots cave, and being there and taking the meat of
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  poetry and all these esoteric names and things that you're not
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  going to have any idea what's going on.
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  So when it comes to like telling One brand new, who what lore to
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  read? I generally say read the pro
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  seta first before you start getting into the poetry because
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  then at least you're going to have an idea of who's who and
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  what's what. Yeah and then when it comes to
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  the practical application, this is something that I and a lot of
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  people have been talking about recently in our group the sagas
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  were written centuries ago, thousand years ago, more than a
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  thousand years ago, the they were practiced.
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  These actions were practiced and we need to be writing our new
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  sagas because we need to be creating the lure that will be
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  helping the future Heathen to practice.
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  So, it's time to apply what we've learned and take it
• 24:09
  forward. That's why, you know, Roger is
• 24:11
  so passionate about the skulls path because the scold is the
• 24:15
  one that's going to be telling our tails.
• 24:17
  The scold is the one that's going to be writing down what
• 24:20
  we've done and carrying it forward for the next
• 24:23
  Generations. Yes.
• 24:25
  So instead of having a dead lifeless book, that's a book of
• 24:29
  myth that that is interpretive, we have a living breathing faith
• 24:36
  that grows and changes and expands and UPG is Essential, I
• 24:42
  have a personal UPG regarding magic in this world today
• 24:48
  because I believe if you look at the Lord, there's the word are
• 24:52
  ghee. And a lot of people have been
• 24:54
  like, hinky about that word. What what does are you have to
• 24:57
  do my personal UPG? Because I am afraid a devotee.
• 25:02
  Is that it refers to the fact that magic is inherently simpler
• 25:08
  for women to understand we deal with life?
• 25:11
  If and death because we have a womb, we create it and it comes
• 25:16
  from us. So we are already in touch with
• 25:21
  magic simply by our being and a man in order to get in touch
• 25:28
  closer with magic needs to allow himself to become in touch with
• 25:33
  that feminine principle. And so, I think the word are GE
• 25:36
  is not so much about something bad and As it is opening an
• 25:43
  embracing, the feminine perspective, so that you can
• 25:47
  then be more in touch with your own magic because magic is not a
• 25:52
  hammer nailing, something into a board.
• 25:54
  You have to become passive magic is fluid magic.
• 25:58
  Has some, you have to, you can put out, but you also have to
• 26:02
  receive. So I look at work with women and
• 26:08
  helping women to bring magic back to themselves.
• 26:11
  Elves, as our way of bringing magic back into the greater
• 26:15
  world, as the women learn their magic and they become more
• 26:19
  comfortable with their empowerment.
• 26:21
  They're able to spread it out and we can make real change.
• 26:26
  So that's that's one of my passions.
• 26:29
  That's one of the things and we have great.
• 26:31
  Wonderful Heathen, women who've been doing it for, for the past
• 26:35
  40 years and years. Diana Paxson.
• 26:38
  Patricia Lafave owl and you know, Sorry touring.
• 26:42
  They have done amazing Saga, Erickson Erickson.
• 26:47
  Yes, amazing work for women. But we need to expand that
• 26:53
  because it's through the women becoming more comfortable and
• 26:56
  included. And he's in re that he's in re
• 26:59
  is going to expand, because we then can hand it down to our
• 27:01
  children. So it's, it's essential that we
• 27:07
  don't just focus on the history, but we focus on the The living
• 27:12
  work and how it's going to move forward.
• 27:14
  It's always the woman that initiates the hero in the lore.
• 27:18
  It is right? Yeah.
• 27:20
  No. I think I think that's a really
• 27:21
  good point and it's one of the things that seems to get or
• 27:26
  seems to get buried in the progress of.
• 27:30
  I think a lot of newer heathens because you do you see like you
• 27:32
  mentioned earlier? Heidi this is hyper-masculine
• 27:37
  demographic that is attracted to Germanic even re specifically
• 27:40
  because of the Viking. Things and the, you know, Odin
• 27:43
  and Thor and all this Macho crap, you know, and yes, like
• 27:48
  the men were the backbone of the society.
• 27:51
  All of the things that made a society function was, you know,
• 27:55
  largely due to The Bravery, the Courage, the tenacity, the, the
• 27:59
  wit, you know, of the menfolk. But please don't disregard the
• 28:03
  fact that at the, when the men were away doing, what men were
• 28:06
  doing, right? The women of the tribes, the
• 28:09
  women of the communities, where the ones keeping it all together
• 28:13
  practically and hospitably and in all other factions, you know
• 28:17
  what I mean? Like there's I 100% think that
• 28:21
  there's a need to, you know, really get in touch with the
• 28:30
  feminine Divine and then the power that there that is there,
• 28:34
  it's not just, it's not all like, you know, sunshine, In
• 28:37
  rainbows and sunflowers and softness no man I'm talking like
• 28:41
  there's Darkness there is brutality, there is there is
• 28:44
  scary shit that goes on that women deal with you know and and
• 28:48
  that we can learn from and you guys are something else just to
• 28:52
  say just my part it's like let's we get a kick when people say
• 28:57
  free as a love goddess. Yeah, well yeah.
• 29:00
  I mean partially, but right well, that much, you know and
• 29:06
  because who is Only goddess who is actually able to keep up with
• 29:11
  Odin. There is no God, that can have a
• 29:14
  discussion with Odin and put him in his place.
• 29:17
  Only for a guy. She is the only one who actually
• 29:21
  challenges him and can win and beat him at his own game.
• 29:25
  I mean when you look at the interplay of the two of them,
• 29:28
  it's exciting and fun to read the sagas that include the two
• 29:32
  of them together, doing things because you can see the
• 29:35
  calculating vulva that she is. And the way she was weaving
• 29:39
  those threads into the tapestry and creating her own pattern.
• 29:43
  Yeah, she knows she knows the things that even the Gods and
• 29:47
  Men don't you know she's got that vision and let's all not
• 29:52
  forget too that even Odin in his in his Wily wit, you know, goes
• 29:57
  to the Cirrus goes to the void of are four questions.
• 30:00
  There had to get answers to things.
• 30:02
  So even though he knows you know, and we know that he gets
• 30:07
  it was Locust Center where he gets kind of, you know, ribbed a
• 30:10
  bit about practicing sather, you know, and yeah, yeah.
• 30:14
  It's low-key. Yeah, you're gonna be hearing
• 30:17
  from all the island of Sam Tsui. All right.
• 30:21
  Yeah, yeah. And I learned a thing or two.
• 30:24
  So what? Right amazing, the whole like
• 30:26
  and then Heidi you mentioned it to like the the term energy as
• 30:29
  you know, I think it's only recently gotten any sort of
• 30:33
  derogatory or negative connotations because of Some of
• 30:38
  the backwards progression. It's not even progression.
• 30:41
  It's not an advancement. But us as a species us as
• 30:44
  humans, we've regressed, we haven't progressed.
• 30:47
  We've regressed in things and seeing men being vulnerable or
• 30:51
  men having, you know, effeminate ways or whatever.
• 30:54
  Like that's not what LG means. It's not what it ever meant, at
• 30:58
  least not from what I was understanding and some Scholars
• 31:02
  have actually gone into that. An illogical roots of that word
• 31:07
  and it's like, they didn't look, as, you know, men that were, you
• 31:12
  know, homosexual or gay, or anything like that, that wasn't.
• 31:16
  Taboo, like kind of just happened.
• 31:18
  It was it just you know, part of society is the stigma, this
• 31:23
  Dogma whatever. The stigma of it has really been
• 31:26
  the problem with us as a modern species as modern humanity and
• 31:29
  way we've regressed in this way to put negative connotations of.
• 31:34
  And that's why I think it's great that you guys have a
• 31:36
  community that is you know inclusive because you know
• 31:40
  you've been paying now for how many years.
• 31:41
  Heidi. I mean and you to Roger at least
• 31:45
  here In Middle Tennessee, Are pagan Community is very
• 31:48
  colorful. We have all types of people
• 31:51
  from, you know, The LGBT cues communities and we want people
• 31:58
  to feel welcome and feel safe and in what we do and not to be
• 32:02
  like, oh no, it's the Vikings doing the Viking thing again and
• 32:05
  wearing Furs. And, you know, bearded rough
• 32:08
  men, that scream and holler, Odin Thor.
• 32:10
  I do not write. That can be, that's fun.
• 32:24
  There's a lot has a place practice and develop self
• 32:30
  development. That goes on then just drinking
• 32:33
  Mead and screaming god names. Right?
• 32:37
  Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it's the
• 32:40
  the Bro. Statues are the ones that I call
• 32:42
  those types. You know where that's, you know,
• 32:44
  till Valhalla this and that like okay whatever.
• 32:48
  Yeah, I don't want to go to Valhalla.
• 32:53
  For me because I don't want to get up every day and have to
• 32:55
  keep fighting. I want to rest.
• 32:59
  When we go visit, hell, and and have a have a break Nikki and I
• 33:03
  will know whether very well by then anyway, because you can't
• 33:07
  do. You can't do magic work in
• 33:09
  modern day. You can't do Volvo work without
• 33:11
  working with hello. So not devolve word.
• 33:14
  Yeah, I I've actually had a very recent encounter with hell from
• 33:21
  attending a loan. our group in our area called The Raven, Moon
• 33:27
  Hearth, there a Germanic Pagan group in the Nashville area and
• 33:34
  every year they have an open event called Shadow Moot and it
• 33:39
  usually Falls around the mid October time frame and it quite
• 33:47
  often corresponds to the historical timing of winter
• 33:50
  nights motivator Netter, you know, so so it kind of it's a
• 33:54
  celebration of that it's their version of winter nights but
• 33:59
  they have a held low at the in the evening time and this this
• 34:06
  past Year's hell boat was Life-changing, you know, when
• 34:10
  you when you, when you go to this virtual space and, you
• 34:14
  know, see and I'm just, you know, going to speak for myself,
• 34:18
  just seeing what at one point in time, where trees, you know, the
• 34:23
  wood line transform and take on this Royal, I don't know chamber
• 34:31
  of of huts and homes and stuff and just the way it all changed
• 34:34
  and you like you're literally in hell.
• 34:36
  In the Hall of hell, you know I mean like in he'll Hane.
• 34:41
  Puts a lot of things. Put a lot of things in
• 34:42
  perspective for me and then my spirituality and how I am
• 34:46
  advancing as a heathen you know, because I didn't come into this
• 34:49
  path and you know, I don't think any of us have And you know,
• 34:54
  with the with the with the same approaches that we have now back
• 34:57
  then you know however many years ago it was or however long ago,
• 35:01
  it was we're not the same pagans or not, the same heathens,
• 35:05
  whatever term you want to put it to it.
• 35:07
  You know we're not the same people that we were back then
• 35:09
  we're not practicing the same way as we did back then either.
• 35:12
  At least I'm not no no change. I practices transform totally
• 35:19
  yeah yeah that we're very complimentary.
• 35:23
  He is when he started looking into paganism.
• 35:29
  He looked at it from a very ceremonial Magic, High magic
• 35:32
  perspective and I have been the hippie one who has always been
• 35:38
  like, okay, I'm going to cast a spell here, I'ma sit my butt
• 35:41
  down on the ground, and my circle is my finger.
• 35:44
  And here we go. So we have this good balance
• 35:48
  between us because he's able to make things feel more whole Lee
• 35:53
  and more present, because of the ceremony that he can sometimes
• 35:59
  create, and I'm able to pull him down and let him realize we
• 36:02
  don't need any of that all the time.
• 36:04
  Yeah, sometimes. All we need is just sitting down
• 36:08
  and, and touching the Earth and I've moved into with that kind
• 36:12
  of idea. Working magical charms, with,
• 36:18
  with Calder in Verses that I've wrote in the in the Norse M.
• 36:26
  So for me, this log, the old, the hot butter Galt or a log.
• 36:30
  So I've taught myself how to write English English
• 36:35
  alliterative poetry in those meters.
• 36:38
  So, wow. Well, needing all of the
• 36:40
  ceremony anymore for like a quick hollowing or something to
• 36:45
  change your mindset about just icky Darkness, that's coming up
• 36:50
  within you and things like that. So, So I'd like to talk about
• 36:56
  that then Roger specifically with your skaldak work, you
• 37:02
  know, like or your skaldak practice is learning the liar
• 37:05
  writing Modern English in, you know, in Poetic meters that are
• 37:13
  outdated for all intents and purposes.
• 37:15
  You know, where did that starts? How did how did you?
• 37:20
  Yeah. So how I've kind of arrived at
• 37:24
  it. Well, the first thing that got
• 37:26
  me interested in like the alliterative style of Germanic
• 37:31
  poetry was reading books by their off Gunderson.
• 37:36
  And the way that he would reply in alliteration right now, I'm
• 37:41
  reading rheingold. It's his fictional series,
• 37:45
  that's based in the, in the world of The Saga of the
• 37:48
  volson's and a lot of that alliteration and poetry's there.
• 37:52
  And he's Really good. So rest in peace, Nightwolf.
• 37:57
  But so I became interested. They're so, so I started writing
• 38:02
  that what I'm really in M, but it was a literation.
• 38:07
  Well, really, when I became inspired reading his work, I
• 38:11
  began to write my own poetry in alliterative meter or not.
• 38:15
  No, not alliterative M, just the literation, but I met a
• 38:21
  gentleman through Scott Shell. He's a friend of the group name
• 38:27
  is, is erequest coat and he's got a website called the Eagles.
• 38:34
  Mead, I think, is what it's called, or like the eagles gift
• 38:39
  or something like that, but he has been doing this writing
• 38:44
  English poetry in in these old Norse M for a long time since
• 38:51
  like twenty, thirteen or fourteen.
• 38:53
  So I took his work and I took some of my favorite poetic Edda
• 39:00
  translations. Mainly I like Bellows out of
• 39:03
  that's the that's the poetic one that I like to go to and and
• 39:09
  then looked at like Crawford because Jackson Crawford's got
• 39:12
  some really good videos on the old Norse M.
• 39:16
  And he's actually got some where he shows you how to write
• 39:19
  English poetry in Old Norse or in the Old Norse.
• 39:23
  M. So I just took those three
• 39:26
  resources and I studied them. I looked at.
• 39:30
  Okay, so this is, this is for need this log.
• 39:33
  So, this is how many syllables a half line has, this is how many
• 39:38
  like a, like, a, a key line of beeline counting syllables and
• 39:43
  seeing kind of, where the English M should kind of fall in
• 39:48
  between. So, for instance, like a for
• 39:51
  neat, this log line, Issued have an English anywhere from about
• 39:57
  five to seven syllables. Now, doing it in English is not
• 40:02
  the same as originally in Old Norse because the word order and
• 40:06
  all of that kind of thing. But there's a difference between
• 40:11
  like when I when I know I, when I've wrote something and I'm
• 40:14
  like, that's a good line and I write something and it's like
• 40:17
  that line needs work because it needs to sound good when you
• 40:21
  speak it out loud. So that's kind of and and then
• 40:25
  also like a lot of memorization of the things that I write and
• 40:29
  also memorization of actual Old Norse.
• 40:35
  And I'm getting into Old English now and lots of memorization of,
• 40:40
  you know, verses from the poetic Edda and figuring out how to how
• 40:45
  to use that ritually though. And and last thing on this.
• 40:53
  Take like what I earn our selves it does.
• 40:55
  And this is this was my inspiration for learning to play
• 40:57
  liar. Taketake like what he does, and
• 41:01
  bring that to the Hearth level. So, meaning, like, in in the
• 41:07
  home with people, right? Yes.
• 41:09
  Yeah. In the, in the Kindred group,
• 41:12
  yeah. Be like, oh yeah, because like,
• 41:16
  you are like you before that we started recording.
• 41:19
  You were talking about how it's it's like creating a family.
• 41:23
  That's how our Kinder is for us. Our Kindred is very small and
• 41:28
  it's chosen family. Its people that we share things
• 41:32
  with that. Are are on a deeper level than
• 41:37
  what we would do in public like we've, we've been blessed.
• 41:41
  Our Kindred has had the opportunity to do the closing
• 41:44
  ritual for the past two years for the date and Pagan pride.
• 41:49
  And so we've had an opportunity to show other pagans who aren't
• 41:55
  Heathen, what a heathen bloat, kind of looks like, but, you
• 42:00
  know, when you get it down to the Hearth level when you're
• 42:03
  doing it on your Kindred level, it so much.
• 42:05
  Intimate and so many more things can happen.
• 42:09
  So he's, he's done some beautiful work with his writing
• 42:15
  though. He's got a real gift.
• 42:18
  From what I've seen in the runestone heathens group.
• 42:21
  Because I know Roger you've shared some poems or reciting is
• 42:27
  of things and I believe it was Old English, you were?
• 42:30
  Yeah, I was what again everybody that listens and watches, you
• 42:36
  know, the group is going to be linked.
• 42:40
  So you may be getting some requests to join just to be able
• 42:42
  to hear Roger stuff. Maybe I hope that's all right
• 42:45
  because I want people to experience it as well, I think.
• 42:48
  It's I think it's amazing. He has a he does have a great
• 42:50
  gift. He has a wonderful talent that
• 42:52
  needs to be shared with the world.
• 42:56
  But yeah, II, you know, I've been asked actually somebody
• 43:00
  here in our area who's infatuated with the role of the
• 43:05
  scold. And you know, for people that
• 43:10
  don't know and Roger since this is kind of, you know, in your
• 43:13
  wheelhouse, maybe you can talk a bit to it, my recollection of
• 43:16
  the role of the scholar at You know, medieval and like the
• 43:20
  Viking agent in those times was they were pretty damn important
• 43:24
  to the to the point that they would be, you know, invited into
• 43:28
  Royal happenings like they had a very prominent place in society
• 43:33
  because they were the storytellers.
• 43:34
  They were the ones that in a time where people weren't very
• 43:37
  literate to write down things and whatnot.
• 43:39
  They were the people that could relay and tell You know, stories
• 43:45
  of Heroes and kings, and all this stuff.
• 43:47
  So, you know, for the Kings to have a scald in their Court was
• 43:51
  like, Check this out, you know, like it was pretty, pretty big
• 43:54
  deal, right? Yeah, they would they would
• 43:57
  definitely have been on the payroll, that, that, that's,
• 44:02
  that's why I King is called a giver of rings.
• 44:05
  He has to reward is Triton's and he rewards us called as well.
• 44:08
  But but yeah, take take for example, the original skull ragi
• 44:16
  the god brog E-boat assassin ragi in Godly the old, you know.
• 44:21
  It said that he was Part of Ragnar Lothbrok says revenue and
• 44:24
  was retinue and and was writing poetry.
• 44:29
  He liked his. I think it's like 12 versus Rock
• 44:32
  nose. Throat that he had written.
• 44:35
  So yeah. As a scald could could like make
• 44:43
  you more than you are and he could also trust you.
• 44:46
  There are were there were also a handful of female skulls.
• 44:52
  Out there to one that comes to mind her name was Yoda and so
• 44:58
  yeah that the thus cultic kind of position in the retinue was
• 45:05
  one of high honor he sat close to the king and the hall.
• 45:10
  So he had an honored seat. Yeah yeah.
• 45:14
  It's now also though I think that comes from an older and
• 45:22
  older Position. So if you've read Beowulf, you
• 45:26
  come across work unferth challenges Beowulf and third and
• 45:31
  fourth is crop Gars fool right now, that's kind of what
• 45:37
  survives in the role of authorial in our modern lore or
• 45:42
  if you know and the Lord that we've got, but I think that
• 45:45
  comes from an older. ritual oratory position where maybe
• 45:53
  like lineages and deeds would have been recited ritually and
• 46:00
  this Thule position may have been the counterpart to the male
• 46:05
  vulva or the female vote rather really that's an interesting
• 46:10
  take I've never heard the comparison between fool and like
• 46:15
  which made I've always looked as I've always looked at the Thule
• 46:19
  as being sort of kind of like a regulator or enforcer to
• 46:26
  moodle's as it were, you know, kind of like, hey don't don't
• 46:29
  speak such a big game that you can back it up and oh by the
• 46:31
  way, I'm going to make sure that everybody knows was you know,
• 46:36
  sorry, go ahead. Yeah.
• 46:40
  Yeah seems that the Thule like In Beowulf, in particular, he
• 46:47
  said the things that the King was probably thinking, so that
• 46:52
  way the keying didn't have to say it and possibly like break
• 46:58
  Griff. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:00
  At that point, right? Um, so you know, that that could
• 47:05
  have even I could I could now this is UPG here.
• 47:08
  We'll put this out there but I could I could definitely see how
• 47:13
  a Thule could serve in that. A troll in challenging people
• 47:17
  that come to the hall but also being a type of a sage that the
• 47:23
  king would go to for read. I could easily see that, okay?
• 47:28
  So attracts a bit actually, you know, because again, one of the
• 47:32
  things that would happen and we're talking, you know,
• 47:37
  Specifically you know so you mentioned Beowulf you know and
• 47:39
  and that is a Saxon that's like that's one of like the big ones
• 47:43
  in terms of lore and then sagas especially for Mainland Germanic
• 47:47
  heathens you know folks that are maybe following a more
• 47:51
  Anglo-Saxon approach to to Henry I think is that the the tribal
• 47:57
  structure or the way that groups are formed quite often in Saxon.
• 48:03
  Heathen, groups are very warband like so.
• 48:07
  Have a, they have their, you know, they have their dryden's.
• 48:10
  They have their pools, they have, you know, this and then in
• 48:13
  one of the things that happens that we read about in Beowulf.
• 48:15
  That is a primary source for understanding sambal, is the the
• 48:22
  the giving of baits or boasts. And, and Oaths is not as it's
• 48:29
  more than just a promise. It's not just, I promised to do
• 48:31
  XYZ, it's the fact that now everybody here is bound.
• 48:37
  By this oath and is responsible in a way because our luck is on
• 48:40
  the line and all of these. Pretty heavy-duty things that a
• 48:46
  fool is absolutely responsible for it because, you know, here
• 48:50
  you got, you know, bail will come here, talking about.
• 48:52
  I'm going to kill Grendel and then do a second.
• 48:54
  Now, big guy, you know, what about this?
• 48:55
  The thing out of the other that you did or didn't do you know,
• 48:57
  you know, is you are you biting off more than you can chew and
• 49:00
  he challenges the Boast as it were of what you're going to do.
• 49:06
  The Thor, make sure no miasma crap, makes it into their, The
• 49:11
  Well of their sambal. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:14
  So in that way, understanding the metaphysical workings of
• 49:19
  sambal, right? Why sambal is done a certain
• 49:21
  way. Who has the the positions that
• 49:24
  they have, who does what they do.
• 49:26
  Why they do it understanding all that and going back to your
• 49:30
  analysis of the role of the Thule and in What he is
• 49:35
  responsible for and having that sort of like, you say, you like
• 49:38
  a sage or see her kind of roll it tracks.
• 49:41
  It makes logical sense to me. I think we could deduce that
• 49:46
  that probably is maybe more than U PG, but we can get into the
• 49:51
  semantics of it. I had a later.
• 49:52
  Well, you know, you know, I want to because I don't know for
• 49:58
  sure. It seems logical.
• 50:00
  I've never read and in like You know Stephen Pauling ton or
• 50:05
  anything like that but you know it makes sense.
• 50:07
  There's a lot of conjecture educated she's conjecture that
• 50:12
  probably was so that we have to go with if we're gonna
• 50:16
  reconstruct this thing as fully as we can, right?
• 50:20
  Yeah. And it goes back to I think
• 50:22
  again the type of you know, Heathen re that were talking
• 50:25
  about because It's such a it's such a regional, it's such a
• 50:31
  region. It was at least such a
• 50:32
  regionally focused thing, you know.
• 50:34
  Yeah. We're talking northern Europe as
• 50:35
  a generalized term, but you got the mainland and then you've got
• 50:41
  Scandinavia where to choose wherever.
• 50:43
  I mean like they got all that stuff from the mainland I think
• 50:47
  is where it originated. I mean the Germanic tribes were
• 50:49
  there and then things kind of went North from there and they
• 50:54
  had, you know, yes they had their own Living Traditions, the
• 50:56
  the Swedish had The genus people, the icelanders had their
• 50:59
  indigenous people. The Sami, of course in the in
• 51:02
  Sweden, but where did it? Where did it originate from?
• 51:06
  Where did where did so much of what we have?
• 51:09
  Kind of stem from and then, where did it, where did it
• 51:15
  Blossom? You know, when it reached Tyson,
• 51:17
  when it reached Denmark, when it reached Sweden, when it reached,
• 51:19
  all these places, you know, the swedes did things a little bit
• 51:21
  different than the Norwegians did.
• 51:23
  Then the Danes did then. And everybody did, you know,
• 51:26
  eventually the fans did their own thing entirely?
• 51:30
  Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
• 51:31
  Oh yeah. And the Finish which has I love
• 51:46
  that, who goes pretty close to four.
• 51:48
  Yeah, yeah. I'm not too close into, like,
• 51:53
  the, the Finish lure, or that side of things.
• 51:57
  But I've heard that there's debate, whether or not there
• 52:01
  they were considered even like a part of the Scandinavian.
• 52:06
  Their language was not Indo-European, right?
• 52:11
  It's kind of, yeah, there are their own indigenous people.
• 52:14
  Yeah. Yeah, it did their own stuff
• 52:17
  conjecture. But, yeah, which, I mean, it
• 52:20
  does it goes, It goes back to what we're doing now.
• 52:23
  It's, you know, I've said it multiple times, I'll say it
• 52:26
  again, that, you know what is tradition, right?
• 52:28
  It's not shouldn't be. At least the worship of the
• 52:31
  ashes. It should be the preservation of
• 52:33
  fire. So there's these coals that are
• 52:35
  burning These Embers that are glowing that need to be soaked
• 52:42
  and New Life needs to be breathe into it and that's what we as
• 52:46
  modern Heathen should be doing. Now is yes, we know certain
• 52:49
  things about the past but the past was the past and so let's
• 52:53
  do things now that are Heidi. I think you mentioned it before,
• 52:59
  you know, writing our own sagas or telling our own stories and
• 53:03
  creating our own Traditions to be lived.
• 53:06
  Here. And now for the future for the
• 53:09
  next Generations, you know, something that they can sink
• 53:13
  their teeth into and practically apply.
• 53:18
  Yeah, that's exactly it. Can I say it better?
• 53:23
  The only way to continue this, the only way to perpetuate it is
• 53:26
  to keep it alive and glowing. I like that idea of the coals
• 53:30
  burning, keeping the coals burn you.
• 53:32
  How did you say that again? We're not.
• 53:36
  Serving. That's the way I've said it.
• 53:38
  Is that tradition is not the worship of Ashes.
• 53:41
  It's the preservation of fire nice.
• 53:47
  So there you go. Put that into your skull dick M
• 53:49
  and then maybe write a song about that.
• 53:51
  Maybe I don't know, like it's become a memorial.
• 53:56
  Now speak it into existence, put it, put it on the wire as it
• 54:01
  were He's already working on an Epic Journey.
• 54:11
  This journey. Yeah.
• 54:13
  So tune in. That's too many verses to
• 54:16
  memorize. Do you have a platform that,
• 54:21
  like, for your music and for your scold at work?
• 54:23
  Roger, like Is there anywhere that you know, or will it be?
• 54:28
  I mean because again I get I get excited about stuff like this
• 54:30
  because for some folks that are maybe interested or that have a
• 54:34
  bug that they're trying to be, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:37
  Like I said there's a guy here locally who's expressed an
• 54:40
  interest in wanting to kind of be a part of us.
• 54:42
  He's like, do you guys have room for a scold?
• 54:44
  I'm like, I don't know. Make sure why not like, but what
• 54:47
  does he even like? What do you mean by that?
• 54:49
  You know, are you going to be, you know, sitting writing songs?
• 54:52
  Are you going to be, you know? Scribing down stories, are you
• 54:55
  going to be keeping a log of stuff?
• 54:57
  Like what's the, what's the, what do you think?
• 55:00
  The skulls position is in modern times and how does it?
• 55:04
  It's a mix. It's a mix of all what you said.
• 55:07
  I mean for, and in every individual scold is going to
• 55:11
  have a, an individual expression of that.
• 55:15
  So as we as we progress and do things like, we just built this
• 55:21
  big shelter that we can do an outdoor.
• 55:24
  You'll event in and stay warm and have fire that keeps us warm
• 55:28
  and stuff like that. So, you know, something that I
• 55:33
  could could do potentially is write a verse about the building
• 55:36
  of the shelter and then recite that verse in Praise of the
• 55:40
  group. When we were there on you'll
• 55:42
  that's an example of how of how that could work within context
• 55:48
  of what we're doing now. But then also, you know, I
• 55:53
  wanted, To learn how to play an old instrument.
• 55:56
  So I've been working on that for a year and I've gotten pretty
• 56:00
  decent at it. I still got a long way to go.
• 56:02
  There's people who are way better than me but, you know, I
• 56:06
  I wouldn't be kadmon in the hall.
• 56:08
  If the, if the lyre was passed to me, I wouldn't run away.
• 56:12
  You know, you've only learned this Talent the skill within the
• 56:17
  year. Oh, year, and some change, maybe
• 56:21
  that's impressive. It's not even been.
• 56:24
  Either you're really since he started fully devoting time to
• 56:28
  it, it was after you will last year that he really started
• 56:32
  putting time into it. And he has talked about
• 56:36
  developing similar to my group, with women with magic.
• 56:40
  He would like to develop a group of people genderless who are
• 56:46
  involved in skaldak work, because he feels like, that's,
• 56:50
  I'm speaking for yeah, because you aren't going to say it out
• 56:54
  loud. Ah but he feels like it's part
• 56:56
  of his calling as to help perpetuate that for future.
• 56:59
  So yeah, your idea of a place to have all that housed is a good
• 57:04
  one that I think we need to think about right now, it's all
• 57:07
  on runestone. Yeah, I just goes in the
• 57:09
  runestone and I sometimes post what I'm doing in the Trove.
• 57:13
  Yeah, well, I would be definitely interested in keeping
• 57:17
  track of it, as much as you're willing to share excited to hear
• 57:21
  and see it grow. But from what I was little, you
• 57:25
  shared what I have seen, its I'm itchin for more.
• 57:29
  Yeah. All right.
• 57:30
  Well, it sounds great. I mean, it's to give you an
• 57:33
  example that right now because I got to warm up and stuff and
• 57:39
  things. Got a little, got a limber up,
• 57:40
  them limbs, right thing, I'm digit.
• 57:42
  I really have not touched it today.
• 57:44
  So all all speak a verse that I wrote.
• 57:48
  Now I'm gonna make it clear. This is not in any type of Old
• 57:53
  Norse. M.
• 57:54
  This is just, it's basically inspired by Spoken Word.
• 57:59
  So all right, here we go. Mead Halls, Minstrel, Mighty
• 58:07
  word, mixer boden's, beer, bear, bore of blood and of spit hide
• 58:12
  write-ins dearest danglars through in Laurel days and
• 58:17
  highest halls in the world with worms and woven walls there.
• 58:21
  Stood, the Strummer of the tree of strings stories.
• 58:24
  He told this called he was called, let us not fall from the
• 58:28
  highest Hall of hail dropped nor lose the lure of Lera.
• 58:32
  So-called I am to the cunning craftiness Often carry the staff
• 58:36
  of the wordsmiths work, berserk snow more nor Bernie shirts, but
• 58:40
  the blood Finch feeds on dirt frosted flesh.
• 58:44
  No Tales are told to kingly courts but the Clans who the
• 58:46
  call of a Seer here Brew, I the beer of Bowden and poor for the
• 58:51
  pleasure of the people of Sid long, may they live give do I
• 58:55
  the prize of gout and with pleasure?
• 58:58
  I pour a measure of the mightiest need two men and women
• 59:00
  who would well receive the water of that.
• 59:02
  Well, let brag, he's You a boon to bars and the beer of boiling,
• 59:07
  big fear flow. I exhale, bear.
• 59:10
  I'm called, it's called indeed and sick with scores of the lure
• 59:14
  of lowther. A life with a hell of a singer.
• 59:17
  I am. This boy is bound to Boden.
• 59:20
  So, Nando there a year, the Eagles me from an oath links
• 59:23
  horn, scold. I am called in a singer of songs
• 59:27
  long forgotten, but never lost hail hail.
• 59:32
  Wow, wow, yeah, man. You definitely captured my
• 59:36
  attention. That was impressive in the fact
• 59:39
  that you just recite in like you've put a lot of work into
• 59:42
  that. I'm sure.
• 59:42
  And you just have it ready to recite basically on the on a
• 59:48
  whim. Yeah, memorize on the wind and
• 59:51
  that's that's an impressive skill as well.
• 59:53
  I mean, just with everything else that we've got going on in
• 59:56
  our day-to-day lives to have the, the mental fortitude of
• 1:00:00
  retaining and memorizing, the verses And I like how, cuz I
• 1:00:06
  mean at the beginning, especially it seems like you set
• 1:00:08
  the tone of this poem through the use of Kennings, which I
• 1:00:15
  think is another thing that is important in at least being a
• 1:00:19
  good skull, right? Is, is being able to describe
• 1:00:22
  something in ways that, you know, will, you can call me, you
• 1:00:27
  know, whatever. It's you know.
• 1:00:30
  Golden Tears or something. I mean, like, you know, I'm
• 1:00:32
  terrible at it, but you get one. Golden, Brew the be sweat,
• 1:00:37
  right? Right, right, right.
• 1:00:41
  Don't get me going. Stir It Up Man.
• 1:00:47
  Stirred up. That was great.
• 1:00:51
  How long did it take you to come up with that?
• 1:00:54
  That one just right now like I'm, I'm not kidding.
• 1:01:00
  No, no, no, no. He's like, well, that took me
• 1:01:03
  like I just spotted out right now.
• 1:01:05
  That was it. No, I'm not the Heathen him in
• 1:01:09
  them. But basically that one in
• 1:01:16
  particular a day, a day, I had ran across something on YouTube
• 1:01:22
  where somebody was doing something.
• 1:01:23
  And similar to this sum rule obscure Channel, mainly a
• 1:01:27
  Channel about firefighting, but then there's these couple of
• 1:01:30
  videos of him doing skaldak stuff.
• 1:01:32
  And it was this spoken word thing that he done, not really
• 1:01:36
  in m, just kind of, you know, were jam on the microphone in
• 1:01:41
  the coffee shop kind of thing and I don't like, I could do
• 1:01:44
  that. So so I wrote that, and actually
• 1:01:49
  basically committed it to memory the same day to ya.
• 1:01:53
  So I become really, honestly the woad begins to flow, and I
• 1:02:00
  become a man obsessed. So, so for people that maybe
• 1:02:04
  don't know when you say, the, when the woad begins to flow,
• 1:02:07
  what are you, what are you talking about?
• 1:02:08
  Like, an you can you elaborate on that for people that are
• 1:02:10
  like, was he talking about here? That is like the, okay?
• 1:02:16
  So that's like that's like on Sue's.
• 1:02:19
  It's the inspiration of Odin or Or I would say in my UPG bra GE,
• 1:02:26
  it's the the madness that causes somebody to either go crazy and
• 1:02:33
  self-destruct or commit commit, Deeds of great Valor and warfare
• 1:02:40
  wogan is one of those things that is is channeled into
• 1:02:44
  different types of creation. That's the thing about woad is
• 1:02:50
  that if there's not an outlet, for it can show up.
• 1:02:53
  As anger and rage. But, but yeah.
• 1:02:58
  The thing is aching. It learning how to crank it down
• 1:03:02
  from an 11 to about a six or seven and work with it.
• 1:03:07
  I have like yeah, yeah exactly that's what I was going to get
• 1:03:13
  to is is like the older, the the divine inspiration and how
• 1:03:20
  things like that are. Like where that inspiration
• 1:03:25
  comes from her how I guess triggered, could be a word,
• 1:03:29
  right? Because I have experienced
• 1:03:33
  myself and I am by no means comparing. what I've done to the
• 1:03:38
  likes of us called you or others because to be honest, like, what
• 1:03:43
  you did was very impressive but there are times when Occasions.
• 1:03:54
  Activities can really Trigger or stimulate, maybe is a better
• 1:03:58
  word because I think stimulate is probably the better word.
• 1:04:00
  What stimulates us to I don't know exude this sort of woad as
• 1:04:05
  you say, right? Like in to be this sort of
• 1:04:07
  thing. Different elements.
• 1:04:09
  Different conditions can stimulate us and I've been I've
• 1:04:13
  been stimulated in a way and I'll just find myself sitting
• 1:04:15
  there sometimes. Just like in my mind, like
• 1:04:18
  almost Whispering or or speaking out loud.
• 1:04:22
  What to what some in the room with me might perceive as like,
• 1:04:28
  He's insane, he's over here just like we've ever, you know,
• 1:04:32
  uttering things of seemingly innate battle, but there's
• 1:04:37
  there's purpose to it. There.
• 1:04:38
  There's, it's almost like you're, you're getting these.
• 1:04:41
  I don't know if it's, if it's been this way for you but for me
• 1:04:43
  it's in like certain flashes of words or scenarios or stories or
• 1:04:49
  things and you just like I got to I got to express and I got to
• 1:04:51
  put it out there and it becomes kind of like a run-on sentence
• 1:04:56
  of A story that starts somewhere and somewhere else.
• 1:05:00
  Like, you know, you just go down this sneaky windy path of
• 1:05:04
  wherever and then it becomes this thing.
• 1:05:08
  She knows I can identify with that exact acutely.
• 1:05:11
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  One of the things that I do is like to practice, especially
• 1:05:19
  what I've committed to memory, because I found that if you
• 1:05:21
  don't recite it here and there are these things that you work
• 1:05:25
  very hard to commit to memory, you'll Forget it.
• 1:05:28
  So, so, one of the things I do is people think I'm a Madman,
• 1:05:34
  but I'm driving down the road, I am on the phone or nothing.
• 1:05:36
  I'm in my little old beat-up car and I'm just talking, you know,
• 1:05:41
  and but, but yes, it is. It just starts with an idea or
• 1:06:00
  like I wrote a couple of verses in gold or log about a month
• 1:06:05
  ago, for a hollowing that we wanted to do because our ritual
• 1:06:10
  was based on on a need fire and this, we want this ritual to be
• 1:06:15
  a ride of cleansing and hollowing.
• 1:06:17
  So to put on top of Gaul Durant, on top of our go to these
• 1:06:21
  hollowing ritual, I wrote this verse to speak for the hollowing
• 1:06:25
  to, so you Take an idea, maybe a maybe a canning or something
• 1:06:30
  comes and then it just all gets kind of fleshed out around that
• 1:06:34
  so well. So there's only want one thing.
• 1:06:39
  Like if you're going to pursue this skaldak path, you have to
• 1:06:43
  be in the lore. You have to have that stuff
• 1:06:47
  stirring in your subconscious for you, to be able to pull it
• 1:06:51
  out, and come up with with things that people are going to
• 1:06:54
  like. And that's going to be effective
• 1:06:57
  to Two. So you have to have your roots
• 1:07:01
  deep in the in that in that aspect of things.
• 1:07:04
  And that's a good that's a good point to make and also wanted to
• 1:07:08
  explore with you real quickly. The, you know, you have a
• 1:07:12
  background in as you mentioned earlier and we really didn't
• 1:07:15
  even approach this in depth Norse Wiccan or Norse Wicca.
• 1:07:19
  But the but the higher magic element, I think that Heidi
• 1:07:22
  alluded to that. You found yourself in and now
• 1:07:26
  you're in this. Skaldak path.
• 1:07:30
  There's there's, there's a reason that it's called
• 1:07:33
  spelling. I mean, you, we are weaving
• 1:07:35
  words even through speech, but especially in, I think song or
• 1:07:40
  in any of scold, it works like this.
• 1:07:42
  This is its captivating, its mesmerizing, it's enchanting.
• 1:07:46
  Its casting of spells. We are you are when you put
• 1:07:50
  letters together and create words you are spelling, right?
• 1:07:52
  But there's a reason why it's called that we are literally
• 1:07:56
  casting spells You are capturing the attention of people that
• 1:08:02
  have never seen your face in person, through auditory means
• 1:08:06
  and through all these other ways and it's quite it's magical.
• 1:08:09
  It's literally magical. Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Yeah, Golder music verse song. All of it.
• 1:08:18
  It changes your your normal Consciousness into something
• 1:08:22
  else. Therefore, it's magic fun.
• 1:08:25
  And when you understand the very basics of matter, Magic stuff
• 1:08:28
  like this. Yeah.
• 1:08:30
  I mean I've seen instant Ramen the jaw harp, you're pretty good
• 1:08:34
  at that stuff man. You're a you're a damn good
• 1:08:36
  drummer but it's in the same sort of way and thank you by the
• 1:08:40
  way. I appreciate that.
• 1:08:41
  I, you know, in and I think maybe in a similar way and
• 1:08:44
  that's why maybe I can relate to what you're saying in terms of
• 1:08:49
  that altered state of consciousness.
• 1:08:51
  That something like, What's again, seems just like insane,
• 1:08:55
  Babble, or 1/8 Babble of whatever, you know, you could
• 1:08:58
  just be reciting words, rhyming, Kennings, whatever the thing
• 1:09:01
  that you're doing drumming, right?
• 1:09:03
  It's this rhythmic. Thing that takes you from, I'm
• 1:09:09
  here. And now I'm there, and I'm
• 1:09:12
  going, and I'm going places, and I'm traveling, I'm going outside
• 1:09:16
  of myself to explore things, and it's a, you know, if anything, I
• 1:09:22
  think to your point earlier as you were talking about like, you
• 1:09:24
  know, the scold, the fool, the The Seer, and how they're all
• 1:09:28
  connected. I'm the lines.
• 1:09:30
  I'm starting to connect the dots with it all because it's For
• 1:09:34
  some it might just be a song. Oh it sounds great.
• 1:09:36
  That's very inspiring. Right?
• 1:09:38
  For others. Who have Gone to other places
• 1:09:43
  and have used these types of, you know, methods to get there.
• 1:09:50
  There's more to it than just than just that.
• 1:09:53
  I think, you know. Yeah, well, Heidi, you seeing
• 1:09:58
  all the time in your work so you can definitely.
• 1:10:02
  Oh, yeah. But it's, it's not, it's, I
• 1:10:07
  think, any of us who have the ability to have honed, Ability
• 1:10:13
  to enter an altered state of consciousness have done.
• 1:10:17
  So, through different means for me, Iraq.
• 1:10:19
  I literally when I'm, when I'm working up toward a trance, I'm
• 1:10:24
  rocking as I'm doing it. And then I start singing, But
• 1:10:28
  the rocking is the rhythmic part of it for me, that's what really
• 1:10:32
  gets me started. So I think you all.
• 1:10:35
  It's like you said, in the very beginning, it is how it works
• 1:10:39
  for you. You have you are I taught the
• 1:10:43
  basic premise Diana Paxton has an amazing book called
• 1:10:46
  transportation, and it gives you the basic keys on how to get to
• 1:10:53
  a trance state. But she continually says,
• 1:10:57
  customize this for yourself as you're going through the X.
• 1:11:01
  And, and that's what I teach my women, as you're going through
• 1:11:04
  the exercises, you're learning, but make sure that you
• 1:11:10
  understand, you don't have to stay.
• 1:11:12
  Rigidly with the way this is. And I tell them all the time.
• 1:11:15
  It's muscle memory. You're just building up mental
• 1:11:17
  muscle memory, you repeating these steps again and again, so
• 1:11:20
  that it becomes something that you don't even have to think
• 1:11:22
  about anymore. But that's that's what you guys
• 1:11:26
  when you're doing, when you're doing your recitations, it's all
• 1:11:31
  to help us get into that altered state and a finely crafted bloat
• 1:11:37
  is the same kind of thing because you're weaving the
• 1:11:40
  pieces together. Weather so that you end up with
• 1:11:44
  an ability to have everyone have an altered experience and when
• 1:11:49
  it happens it's just chillingly. Amazing.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah. But it doesn't happen every time
• 1:11:55
  and that's okay to do. Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  It's but when it was, when it water clicks when it man, I
• 1:12:01
  really like you said, with the hell, yes, you guys should come
• 1:12:10
  and I think where you guys they're at if you're you said
• 1:12:14
  south of Dayton Cincinnati yes and that area yeah there was a
• 1:12:19
  fellow that came from I don't remember exactly where but he
• 1:12:24
  had like a six to eight hour drive from Ohio somewhere and
• 1:12:27
  came for the weekend because they have at least in the past
• 1:12:31
  you know they've made it a camping event you know so people
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  come and it's you know it's on property of one of the Hearth
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  members Who interesting Lee enough I believe is their fool.
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  I believe that's his role in the group.
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  It's name is Dawn and he's got a nice spread up in Springfield
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  Tennessee and people come and they camp out.
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  And that's what my wife and I did.
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  And we spent, you know, we got there Friday and left Sunday
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  and, you know, It was it was it was just one of those things
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  where I'm like, you know, online, he even reads.
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  It's all fun, it's all nice. It's great.
• 1:13:09
  It's great for sharing of knowledge and making friends,
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  long-distance. But man, like, that's where he
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  even re is at, man. It's when you get out there and
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  you put your body on the earth and you, you interact with
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  people and you do these types of things, you know, true.
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  Yeah. We one of the first things that
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  we did as a gathering after Were able to get together for
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  runestone. With covid-19 did a camp out
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  together. We it we had about 25 people and
• 1:13:40
  mostly adults, we have feeds Aldrin and it was a lot of
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  drumming and a lot of sitting around a fire.
• 1:13:47
  It was, it was pretty incredible.
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  Yeah. And that's one of the things
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  that we were talking about doing something like that in the
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  spring, doing a spring event, where we have a camping thing.
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  So yeah, we were wanting To gather there's a group that that
• 1:14:04
  we share forthwith up in Columbus called the Mead Hall.
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  So Kevin Atherton. If you're listening hail to you
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  and your folk up there, but yeah, they've guided us along
• 1:14:15
  the way and we want to have like a regional like like all thing
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  kind of no you guys too. Well, we're we had talked about
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  it so it's still in that rocking back and forth, bubbling on the
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  stove. Stay same here.
• 1:14:31
  Same here. Finding that we're quickly going
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  to end up with more things than we can actually do with and
• 1:14:38
  still work because yeah, several festivals that we've been
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  invited to now for next year. But I'm definitely going to the
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  one with hell so that one's on the books.
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  Yeah, I'm just glad to hear about stuff like this happening
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  in our respective areas, man. I mean, because I hear, I don't
• 1:14:57
  know about you guys but like, especially with with my
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  platforms, you know? A lot of people like, well,
• 1:15:02
  there's nothing going on in my ear.
• 1:15:03
  I'm like, why not? There's a and if there's not,
• 1:15:06
  then then do like, what people like yourselves are doing.
• 1:15:09
  If you can't find a way, then make one, absolutely make
• 1:15:15
  something happen. Do it.
• 1:15:16
  It's going to require work, it's not going to happen overnight,
• 1:15:19
  but at least plant that seed. Yeah, it can happen anywhere.
• 1:15:24
  It just starts with that, one seat to be planted and then next
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  thing, you know, there's there's other people that want to get in
• 1:15:29
  on it and, you know, It can happen guys.
• 1:15:35
  Like it can it can definitely happen and it's not going to you
• 1:15:37
  know, you it's interesting that you said you know you guys
• 1:15:40
  started the runestone heathens the year that covid.
• 1:15:43
  Hit the world, our tribe basically became We named our
• 1:15:51
  tribe in. I think it was at you'll January
• 1:15:56
  of twenty, twenty two months later.
• 1:15:59
  Everything went up in Flames with covid and we're like, okay,
• 1:16:02
  great now what, you know, so, you know, but we had, we had
• 1:16:08
  enough, we had enough history with our core members that to
• 1:16:12
  know that. Okay, well, we're just, you
• 1:16:14
  know, on the back burner right now, we're just kind of laying
• 1:16:17
  low we're simmering, we're keeping the fire stoked, we're
• 1:16:19
  keeping those coals alive, we're not letting it go out and then
• 1:16:23
  whenever they saw then goes over whatever we're going to really,
• 1:16:26
  you know, bring it back up. And we've, you know, the
• 1:16:29
  Tennessee. Heathens group is over, you
• 1:16:31
  know, five hundred and some odd people.
• 1:16:33
  Now and you know maybe every couple of months we're having
• 1:16:36
  meetups we start trying to and you know there's their stuff
• 1:16:39
  going on not just in our area but in neighboring areas and so
• 1:16:44
  the regional presents that he even re has has really made
• 1:16:51
  itself known yes. And which I think is great, you
• 1:16:54
  know, that there's wholesome holistic views on this and that
• 1:16:58
  people are doing things like your folks are doing to make.
• 1:17:03
  People feel welcome and included and know that it's a safe place
• 1:17:07
  to Pursue their their, their, their spiritual needs.
• 1:17:12
  Their religious needs whatever. You know.
• 1:17:15
  And just be, just be Phil. Welcome, you know?
• 1:17:19
  Right. Great.
• 1:17:20
  That's the most important part is making people feel welcome.
• 1:17:25
  Because as you mentioned before, how do you know?
• 1:17:26
  Like there's there's this stigma, there's this
• 1:17:30
  unfortunate, you know, bad press that Heathen re has gotten so,
• 1:17:34
  how do we? You know, how do we counteract
• 1:17:38
  that? Well we create good.
• 1:17:40
  Press we, we do things like this where it's You know, good
• 1:17:44
  conversations people feel welcome and want to know more
• 1:17:49
  and you know. So you know, for those that are
• 1:17:51
  listening and watching today you guys are based out of Southwest
• 1:17:54
  Ohio, but the runestone heathens group on Facebook is, it's, you
• 1:18:00
  know, you got some questions to answer, whatever to join, but
• 1:18:03
  it's open to anybody that's that's curious, right?
• 1:18:05
  I mean, it's not just shifted to the Southwest Ohio, right now
• 1:18:10
  we've got members from other other Jim's.
• 1:18:14
  Absolutely, because we've got friends from all over who have
• 1:18:17
  joined and we have a pretty robust online presence.
• 1:18:22
  We've been doing a series of God conversations over messenger and
• 1:18:29
  zoom the past couple of months and we've got one coming up next
• 1:18:33
  week, not this week but next Wednesday on frigg and because
• 1:18:38
  it's Mother's night this month and so frig is our Focus this
• 1:18:42
  month last month we did. Oh Odin in the wild Hunt.
• 1:18:45
  And then Loki before that the lucky one was well attended, and
• 1:18:49
  the one on hell was very well. Yeah, yep.
• 1:18:53
  But yeah. So there are online things for
• 1:18:56
  people who don't have access and then we're always always happy
• 1:19:00
  to help with any kind of advice. Anyone wants on how to get
• 1:19:04
  started because the goal is to just get the information out
• 1:19:08
  there. So more people can get party, be
• 1:19:09
  part of it and we have got a massive library in in runestones
• 1:19:15
  the file, second file section. Yeah, there's tons and some of
• 1:19:20
  its rare stuff. So we really good files.
• 1:19:24
  Yes. Yeah, yeah I'm going to I'm
• 1:19:29
  going to be digging around there, you know, I mean I'm
• 1:19:31
  always going to be poking around and checking stuff out because
• 1:19:35
  and that's just and that's the other wonderful thing about
• 1:19:38
  modern times, right? Like it information is so
• 1:19:41
  readily available and that's what, that's what cracks me up
• 1:19:44
  about people, that try to act as Gatekeepers to all this stuff.
• 1:19:50
  It's kind of like, what? This isn't a closed-off
• 1:19:53
  religion. Number One, never has been Maybe
• 1:19:57
  certain regions had had Customs that you like.
• 1:19:59
  I mean, I remember hearing there were forget if it was the swedes
• 1:20:04
  or the Norwegians, whoever that would literally run people off
• 1:20:07
  strangers from their Alpha bloat ceremonies because it was a
• 1:20:11
  family only thing. And if you were a stranger, you
• 1:20:13
  got get out of here. Like you weren't welcome right?
• 1:20:17
  That's different. We're not talking about stuff
• 1:20:19
  like that, guys. Like for instance I are our
• 1:20:21
  winter nights which you could debate was Alpha bloat, Centric,
• 1:20:26
  Focus. Our winter nights are tribes
• 1:20:28
  winter. Nice thing was closed off.
• 1:20:30
  I didn't even invite my friends that aren't tribe over.
• 1:20:33
  It was just tribe. You know what I mean?
• 1:20:36
  That's okay. You can have stuff like that,
• 1:20:37
  but all of this other like, you know, I don't know, cancel
• 1:20:41
  culture appropriation. Who Do You Think You Are by
• 1:20:44
  wearing this particular thing? That or the other, like, I'm
• 1:20:46
  sorry. But who are you this even say
• 1:20:47
  that? Like we're not.
• 1:20:49
  We're not we're not. It ain't like that, guys.
• 1:20:52
  It's not a ritual being closed and a Entire culture and
• 1:20:58
  religious practice being closed. Yes.
• 1:21:01
  This has not been practice continuously by an indigenous
• 1:21:05
  group of people for centuries. Unlike the Sami practices or the
• 1:21:10
  practices of the of the indigenous, people of this
• 1:21:13
  continent. You know, that's an entirely
• 1:21:15
  different thing because they actively practiced at they have
• 1:21:18
  a right to their clothes. Ceremonies, we don't we're all
• 1:21:21
  learning at new and fresh from archaeological digs that's where
• 1:21:26
  we It's our info from so we have a right to anyone out of it.
• 1:21:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  And I'm glad that we agree on that.
• 1:21:34
  It's refreshing and you know it gives people I think a hope you
• 1:21:39
  know or feeling of hope that oh wow, I can explore this more and
• 1:21:44
  not feel like I'm appropriating something because I think a lot
• 1:21:47
  of folks especially people that are knew coming into.
• 1:21:48
  This may feel like they're doing the wrong thing, or maybe I
• 1:21:53
  shouldn't be doing this because I don't have the ethnic
• 1:21:55
  background or any of that. The garbage, you know, like
• 1:21:57
  right, you know what I'm talking about, right?
• 1:22:00
  It's yeah, absolutely. We want people to regardless of
• 1:22:04
  that despite that it doesn't matter.
• 1:22:08
  Check it out, if it feels right to you, if it calls to you, for
• 1:22:10
  whatever reason you could say it's the God's calling to you.
• 1:22:13
  You could say it's your ancestors speaking to you
• 1:22:15
  through through through through or log.
• 1:22:19
  Whatever. It's something's touching you.
• 1:22:22
  Something's reaching you and you need to act upon it.
• 1:22:24
  So call it whatever you want. Up just do something about it.
• 1:22:28
  Just act upon it. I think is the overall message.
• 1:22:31
  We're trying to shit out here. Don't let anything stop you from
• 1:22:35
  from reaching out and trying to learn with people like us.
• 1:22:40
  Hopefully those people don't run into the assholes out there but
• 1:22:45
  I mean it's a give it time. I mean, you know you just you're
• 1:22:48
  bound to hit those, you know you go on enough, Journeys you going
• 1:22:52
  enough adventures and you're going to run into Bandits along
• 1:22:55
  the way, you're going to run into the out.
• 1:22:56
  Outlaws. You're going to run into those,
• 1:22:58
  the bad guys. Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  But we want to Manhattan have as much ammo to use against those
• 1:23:04
  Bandits as they possibly can to keep themselves safe.
• 1:23:08
  Yeah. Yep.
• 1:23:09
  Arm yourselves appropriately. And know where you can you know
• 1:23:14
  find your safe haven their shelter along the way?
• 1:23:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  That's the most important thing is when people are spanking new,
• 1:23:21
  when they go and find groups like like the FAA that there,
• 1:23:26
  They can, they're still at a point where they could
• 1:23:28
  potentially be indoctrinated by some other beliefs and, you
• 1:23:32
  know, that's why we need to be out there and open.
• 1:23:35
  So when people are searching like Asatru Heathen read, they
• 1:23:39
  don't come across those groups first, and come across the truth
• 1:23:43
  and Tack and yeah, and us, you know?
• 1:23:46
  So, Absolutely. Well, I definitely appreciate
• 1:23:50
  what the both of you were doing and then the overall, I guess
• 1:23:53
  the bigger Collective of runestone heathens, you know.
• 1:23:58
  So I know it's not just the two of you, but I'm speaking to the
• 1:24:00
  two of you so I can say that I appreciate, you know, the
• 1:24:03
  approach that you both take and then the larger group that you
• 1:24:07
  guys have that seems to share the same values and approach to
• 1:24:11
  it. It's, that's refreshing.
• 1:24:12
  That's great. Glad that we got it.
• 1:24:15
  I got a chance to talk about this stuff and Get people aware
• 1:24:18
  of what's going on in your area. It's good stuff.
• 1:24:21
  Absolutely. Well, thank you and same.
• 1:24:28
  Same down here, you know, if you ever, you know, the get the
• 1:24:30
  whole Shadow moot thing that's a in Raven, Moon Hearts.
• 1:24:33
  I'll be sure to share with you guys.
• 1:24:35
  You know, stuff that you can find them on Facebook too.
• 1:24:37
  But they have, they have a summer time thing called Sunnah
• 1:24:42
  bloat, which is usually like in June.
• 1:24:44
  And then they have a chateau Mouton.
• 1:24:46
  The So over time frame, those are all public events, you know.
• 1:24:50
  So those are things that are open to people from anywhere and
• 1:24:54
  everywhere that, you know, as far as you're willing to travel
• 1:24:57
  just their they're welcoming, so definitely check them out.
• 1:25:02
  And so yeah, if you ever find yourself down in this area, you
• 1:25:05
  know, our Hall is open for you. So, oh yeah.
• 1:25:09
  But if you don't mind, I'm gonna wrap this up here.
• 1:25:11
  I think we covered a. Lot of great things.
• 1:25:13
  Is there anything else that we miss anything?
• 1:25:14
  That that was that in the back of your minds?
• 1:25:17
  That I didn't cover that you'd like to say before I wrap it up
• 1:25:19
  and when I do don't go anywhere. I want to touch base with you
• 1:25:22
  offline, but I do wrap things up for the people listening and
• 1:25:25
  watching. So is there anything that I
• 1:25:26
  missed anything else that you want to share nothing that that
• 1:25:30
  we can't talk about the next time we come on, I like that.
• 1:25:34
  I like that and that's the next time you come on then there will
• 1:25:37
  be a next time. I love to hear that.
• 1:25:38
  People want to come back you know on stuff like this because
• 1:25:41
  I think there's there's so much that we can talk about that you
• 1:25:44
  know we could go on for hours and so It's refreshing.
• 1:25:48
  I'm would have to be, would be happy to have you back on, right
• 1:25:52
  on? Yeah.
• 1:25:53
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• 1:25:55
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