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Premium: A Truly Talafreaky MAGAsphere Meltdown · Blocked and Reported

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SPEAKER_02: Hello, you're listening to a preview of a premium episode of Blocked and Reported.
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SPEAKER_02: We're talking all about the Magosphere and James Tallarico.
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SPEAKER_02: Did he go to a mental hospital?
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_02: But can we be sure?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, we can be.
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SPEAKER_02: But can anyone be sure?
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SPEAKER_02: So, uh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Give it a shot.
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SPEAKER_02: Enjoy the preview either way.
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SPEAKER_02: Katie, Moose update, please.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you for asking, Jesse.
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SPEAKER_03: You know,
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SPEAKER_03: this is my favorite topic of conversation and I think kind
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SPEAKER_03: of everyone's favorite topic of conversation.
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SPEAKER_03: So Moose is doing pretty well.
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SPEAKER_03: He I did take him to the vet yesterday because his teeth look smaller to me.
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SPEAKER_02: He has teeth shrink, canine teeth shrinkage?
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SPEAKER_03: I thought that he did.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was looking at his teeth and they just looked small.
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SPEAKER_03: So I made an emergency appointment with the vet to get them measured.
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SPEAKER_03: And I showed the vet pictures of his teeth from before the shrinkage.
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SPEAKER_03: And she said, it's the angle.
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SPEAKER_02: Wait.
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SPEAKER_03: It was $85 in case you're wondering.
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SPEAKER_02: For her to explain you how like perspective and photographs work?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I also, I sent probably the strangest text message.
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SPEAKER_03: So he's about to turn seven, his birthday's in like three or four days.
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SPEAKER_02: Does that make him middle-aged?
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SPEAKER_03: Don't even, don't even say that.
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SPEAKER_03: No, we're not, we don't talk about that.
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SPEAKER_03: But I did,
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SPEAKER_03: I sent his breeder a text message saying,
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SPEAKER_03: Jana has done all the communication with the breeder.
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SPEAKER_03: She refused to send this text that I asked her to.
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SPEAKER_03: So I did it from my phone.
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SPEAKER_03: So he like wouldn't associate.
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SPEAKER_03: I didn't tell him who I was.
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SPEAKER_03: I didn't want him to associate with this with Moose.
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SPEAKER_03: But I asked him how Moose's parents were doing and if they were still alive.
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SPEAKER_03: And he said that Moose's dad is still alive.
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SPEAKER_03: He's healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: His mom has passed.
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SPEAKER_03: She died in an accident.
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SPEAKER_03: And so I texted him back and I said, oh, thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_03: That's great to hear.
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SPEAKER_02: Great.
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SPEAKER_02: So Moose's dad, do you know what kind of accident?
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SPEAKER_03: I didn't.
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SPEAKER_03: No, all I needed to know.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: All I needed to know that she didn't was that she didn't die of cancer.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a good.
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SPEAKER_02: So the Moose update is that nothing's happened to Moose, but you have some reason to think.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, something did happen.
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SPEAKER_03: Not to him, but he we were gone last week and we got a dog sitter and our dog sitter was.
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SPEAKER_03: Fell so in love with Moose that she's like, this is a professional dog sitter.
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SPEAKER_03: And I don't think she was bullshitting me when she said that this is
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SPEAKER_03: the best dog she's ever met.
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SPEAKER_03: She fell so in love.
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SPEAKER_03: She was like staying in our house and played with our dog for a week.
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SPEAKER_03: And she was like, this is the life that I want.
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SPEAKER_03: And she went gay because of this experience.
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SPEAKER_02: So Moose has a transformative effect on people.
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SPEAKER_03: He turns women gay.
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SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: We have a lot to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: I've really fallen into the wormhole.
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SPEAKER_03: Is it wormhole or is it rabbit hole?
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SPEAKER_02: Rabbit hole.
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SPEAKER_02: Leave me alone.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm tired.
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SPEAKER_03: You're mixing up your kingdom animalia.
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SPEAKER_02: I hate mixing up my holes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: it's been a batshit insane like five or six days for fake news and rumor mongering,
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SPEAKER_02: even by bar pod standards.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what we're going to talk about today.
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SPEAKER_02: It all centers on the Texas Senate race between Ken Paxton and James Tallarica.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you know?
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SPEAKER_02: Are you a Tallarica?
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SPEAKER_02: Tallarica.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you a Tallarica?
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SPEAKER_02: I think Tallarica
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SPEAKER_03: is better.
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SPEAKER_03: Do you like James Tallarica?
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SPEAKER_02: What do you know about James Tallarica?
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SPEAKER_03: Very little.
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SPEAKER_03: I know that he is a Texas state rep.
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SPEAKER_03: I know that he is running for Senate.
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SPEAKER_03: Did you just say that?
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SPEAKER_03: He's running for Senate.
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SPEAKER_02: I did.
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SPEAKER_02: That was a good context clue.
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SPEAKER_03: And I know that according to him, there are six genders.
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SPEAKER_03: And I have to say, he is correct.
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SPEAKER_03: Would you like me to name them?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Jock, Goth, Nerd, Gamer, Stoner.
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SPEAKER_02: That's five.
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SPEAKER_02: And you forgot Gay Wad.
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SPEAKER_03: Prep.
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SPEAKER_03: I forgot Prep.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So he actually,
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SPEAKER_02: just last night,
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SPEAKER_02: there was a, well,
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SPEAKER_02: it wasn't a debate because Ken Paxton wouldn't show up,
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SPEAKER_02: but he had some sort of thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought he came across as pretty charming and he tried to back off from
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SPEAKER_02: the many-gendered gods thing and he said that he had been annoyed.
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SPEAKER_03: Wait, did he say there was a many-gendered god?
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SPEAKER_03: Is that a real...
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he said God is...
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SPEAKER_02: I think he said God is non-binary.
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SPEAKER_02: But he sort of backtracked last night, but it was...
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SPEAKER_02: I think he's got some riz and he was basically he he did what all people should do
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SPEAKER_02: who said stuff that was annoying in 2020.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he just said, like,
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SPEAKER_02: yeah, I was pretty annoying back then, which is what sort of what you need to do.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, saying that God is many gendered it like this makes perfect sense at
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SPEAKER_03: a meditation retreat.
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SPEAKER_03: I think it probably makes less sense in Texas.
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SPEAKER_03: And I think if you're running for office in Texas, you just say God's a man.
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SPEAKER_03: You pretend to believe in God.
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SPEAKER_02: God has a big swinging dick.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: It's sort of dumb to say, what is God's gender?
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SPEAKER_02: Surely God transcends our human conceptions of sex and gender.
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SPEAKER_03: But you gotta read the room.
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SPEAKER_03: You gotta read the room.
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SPEAKER_03: And the room is Texas.
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SPEAKER_03: He said God don't have no dick.
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SPEAKER_03: God is an XY in Texas.
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SPEAKER_02: Just to give people a feel for his circa 2020 rhetorical style,
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SPEAKER_02: Katie, do you mind reading these tweets from 2020?
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SPEAKER_03: Hashtag Ahmad Aubrey is the latest American killed by the virus of racism.
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SPEAKER_03: The virus kills our black neighbors if they're jogging,
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SPEAKER_03: playing music, sitting in church, selling CDs or carrying a bag of Skittles.
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SPEAKER_03: White skin gives me and every American immunity from the virus,
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SPEAKER_03: but we spread it wherever we go through our words, our actions and our systems.
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SPEAKER_03: We don't have to be showing symptoms like a white hood or Confederate flag to be contagious.
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SPEAKER_03: The only cure is diagnosing the virus within ourselves and taking dramatic action
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SPEAKER_03: to contain the spread.
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SPEAKER_03: The first small step is proclaiming loudly and unequivocally that black lives matter.
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SPEAKER_03: This is a crazy fucking thing to say.
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SPEAKER_02: And honestly, it wasn't back then, though.
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SPEAKER_03: No, it was.
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SPEAKER_03: This is like...
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, maybe it wasn't if you...
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SPEAKER_03: It's St. Robert D'Angelo.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a virus.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, it is.
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SPEAKER_03: But I mean...
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SPEAKER_03: You and I were able to say that this is a crazy fucking thing to say in 2020.
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SPEAKER_03: Obviously,
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SPEAKER_03: if I were a Texas voter right now and I were faced with Ken Paxton
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SPEAKER_03: or James Tallarico, I would vote for James Tallarico.
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SPEAKER_03: This is such a fucking turnoff.
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SPEAKER_03: Even if he said it in 2020, this is a crazy thing to say.
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SPEAKER_03: This is a racist thing to say.
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SPEAKER_02: How's it racist?
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SPEAKER_03: Virus?
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SPEAKER_03: The virus of whiteness?
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SPEAKER_03: Come on.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm actually trying to figure out the epidemiological model here.
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SPEAKER_02: He's saying white people are carriers of the virus but are immune from it.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they puke it onto into society.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, yes, it's weird.
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SPEAKER_02: This was like pretty unadulterated Robin DiAngelo.
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SPEAKER_02: But yes, he also said.
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SPEAKER_03: And wait, is he?
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SPEAKER_03: Let me guess.
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SPEAKER_03: Is he from Austin or Marfa?
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SPEAKER_02: Marfa has like three.
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SPEAKER_02: Where is he from?
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SPEAKER_02: I actually I should know this.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he's based in Austin.
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SPEAKER_02: He seems very Austinian.
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SPEAKER_03: I would assume so.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, I imagine that no one outside of Austin,
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SPEAKER_03: Texas or like one neighborhood in Dallas would say crazy shit like this.
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SPEAKER_03: I think like there's
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SPEAKER_02: other bubbles.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, he also said God is non-binary, which is true.
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SPEAKER_02: Jesus was a radical feminist.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, he did say that sex work is work.
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SPEAKER_03: That's a direct quote from the Bible.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he did the opposite.
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SPEAKER_03: So that would not be a radical feminist.
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SPEAKER_03: He would be he was like a lib fam.
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SPEAKER_02: A rad fam would say sex work is not.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: A rad fam would say that sex work is exploitation.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, right.
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SPEAKER_02: So so God is non-binary.
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SPEAKER_02: True.
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SPEAKER_02: Jesus radical feminist.
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SPEAKER_02: We think false.
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SPEAKER_02: He also said radicalized white.
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SPEAKER_02: Men are the greatest domestic terror threat in our country.
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SPEAKER_02: That probably depends on the year.
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SPEAKER_02: So he's obviously like tried to moderate during this general election.
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SPEAKER_02: People should watch this clip from last night.
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SPEAKER_02: It was interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: It was sort of like a model for how Democrats can walk back 2020 stuff and remark.
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SPEAKER_02: Why don't we just embed it?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I actually want to clarify a few of the things that you said,
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SPEAKER_00: because I know that this has been used in these attack ads all over the state.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, the first comment.
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SPEAKER_00: About God not being defined by gender.
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SPEAKER_00: When I said that, I was being provocative.
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SPEAKER_00: And I want to admit that and come clean about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think what I was saying is actually not controversial theologically.
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SPEAKER_00: The idea that we can't define God using human categories.
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SPEAKER_00: Not only did I say that, but the late Charlie Kirk said that.
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SPEAKER_00: The late Pope Benedict said that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, yes, I was doing it maybe in an annoying way.
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SPEAKER_00: I can admit that.
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SPEAKER_02: And so,
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SPEAKER_02: Tallarico seems to have a shot at becoming the first Democratic senator in Texas
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SPEAKER_02: since a guy named Bob Kruger, who wasn't even elected.
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SPEAKER_02: He was appointed in 93.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's been a very long time.
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SPEAKER_02: And part of that is because the electoral landscape sucks for Republicans.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, it's just really, really bad, even for midterms are always bad for the in-party.
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SPEAKER_02: But...
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SPEAKER_02: It turns out some people think Trump has done things wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't want to chime in on that.
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SPEAKER_02: But the Texas race is different because Ken Paxton is also a really,
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SPEAKER_02: really, really bad candidate.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's very corrupt.
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SPEAKER_02: He's very corrupt.
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SPEAKER_02: Hard to know where to begin on that front, but just to quickly sum it up.
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SPEAKER_02: In 2015,
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SPEAKER_02: he had to pay like $300,000 in restitution and do 100 hours of community service
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SPEAKER_02: and take legal ethics classes over some corruption charges.
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SPEAKER_02: Early 2020s, accused of using his office to help donor and developer Nate Paul.
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SPEAKER_02: Not Jake Paul, Nate Paul.
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SPEAKER_02: Good to know.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry, our minds went the same places.
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SPEAKER_02: So he used his office to help Nate Paul in exchange for home renovations
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SPEAKER_02: and employment for a woman with whom Paxton was having an affair.
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SPEAKER_02: Texas values.
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SPEAKER_02: Those allegations led to his impeachment in 2023, though he was acquitted by the Texas Senate.
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SPEAKER_02: Paxton and his wife separated in June 2024, and she filed for divorce, alleging adultery.
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SPEAKER_02: She's actually supporting him in this race.
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SPEAKER_02: She cut an ad where she doesn't mention it by name.
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SPEAKER_02: But the phrasing, the Times podcast had a clip of this.
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SPEAKER_02: The phrasing is like,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: it's important to vote for what matters is not individual members of the team,
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SPEAKER_02: but which team wins.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what matters is that God definitely has a dick.
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SPEAKER_02: God has a giant black dick.
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SPEAKER_02: And I guess he wouldn't say black.
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SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
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SPEAKER_02: So as we all do after a rough divorce, Paxton rang in 2025 in Dubai with his girlfriend.
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SPEAKER_02: Alongside two men indicted in a federal health care fraud case,
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SPEAKER_02: one of them had donated about $190,000 to Paxton,
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SPEAKER_02: including $25,000 after his indictment.
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SPEAKER_02: Months after that party,
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SPEAKER_02: a judge found that Paxton's office violated the Texas Whistleblower Act
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SPEAKER_02: by retaliating against four former deputies who reported him to the FBI and on and
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SPEAKER_02: on and on.
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SPEAKER_02: So the basic idea is like it's hard to lose as a Republican running for U.S.
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SPEAKER_02: Senate in Texas, even in 2026.
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SPEAKER_02: But if anyone can do it, it's this guy.
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SPEAKER_03: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he's running,
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SPEAKER_03: but it seems like they could have found someone with a little bit less baggage.
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SPEAKER_03: Although then again, Jesse, what is worse?
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SPEAKER_03: Corruption or saying there are six genders.
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SPEAKER_02: Or saying God doesn't have a deck.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, the thing that he did say about whiteness was really stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: It was stupid.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you've been tweeting a lot about something that happened this week.
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SPEAKER_02: Little old me tweeting you.
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SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
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SPEAKER_03: I sense the Vyvanse.
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SPEAKER_03: You've been snorting Vyvanse and tweeting.
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SPEAKER_03: What is going on?
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SPEAKER_02: This whole thing that we're going to talk about started on September 30th.
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SPEAKER_02: Tallarico did a virtual appearance at the United States Hispanic Business Council,
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SPEAKER_02: as one does in Texas.
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SPEAKER_02: It was supposed to be in person.
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SPEAKER_02: He revealed he'd been diagnosed with the flu.
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SPEAKER_02: Katie, how long has the flu ever knocked you out for?
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SPEAKER_02: How many days?
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SPEAKER_03: I've never had it.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a fucking lie.
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SPEAKER_03: Why would that be a lie?
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SPEAKER_02: That you've never had the flu.
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SPEAKER_03: No, I've never had COVID either.
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SPEAKER_02: You spend all your time with a lovable but dirty dog tramping around
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SPEAKER_02: the moist Pacific Northwest.
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SPEAKER_03: Do you think I'm going to get the flu from Moose?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: Like I don't hang out with children.
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SPEAKER_03: My like Target, most of my friends are like in their late 70s and early 80s.
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SPEAKER_03: They're not around children.
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SPEAKER_03: They're not sickly and they're not around children either.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, anyway, September 30th, he says he has the flu.
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SPEAKER_02: He's then knocked onto the sidelines.
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SPEAKER_02: Next scene in public at a Casey Musgraves concert in Dallas, October 10th.
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SPEAKER_02: This becomes an object of, oh,
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SPEAKER_02: and I should say he has type 1 diabetes,
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SPEAKER_02: which I believe can make flu symptoms worse.
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SPEAKER_02: Likely story.
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SPEAKER_02: Or he says he has type 1 diabetes.
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SPEAKER_03: Or does he have gayness?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't even know.
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SPEAKER_02: Did the gay thing come just from him being like a little effeminate?
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SPEAKER_02: Because they're saying that a lot.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, the only person I've seen say that is J.D.
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SPEAKER_03: Vance, which I just think is- Just the vice president.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: I think that's a little ridge coming from a man with eyeliner on.
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SPEAKER_02: He's goth.
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SPEAKER_02: It was funny that like a day,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I pointed this out during my endless X-ing, but a day after J.D.
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SPEAKER_02: Vance is recorded taunting James Tallarico for being gay,
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SPEAKER_02: like a fucking sixth grader,
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SPEAKER_02: not even a sixth grader, sixth graders wouldn't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Then a day later, he's like, I wish the Pope the best in his recovery.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like you can't have it both ways.
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SPEAKER_02: You can either make fun of people being gay or you can do the classy Pope stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Although as I say that, I think you can do both.
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SPEAKER_02: You can absolutely do both.
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SPEAKER_02: That was stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_03: I think many Popes, in fact, would do both.
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SPEAKER_02: Because of Tallarico's absence from the campaign trail,
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SPEAKER_02: rumors start to circulate in the Magosphere.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, the Magosphere began spreading rumors.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, I did want to see if there was a kernel of a fair point here,
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SPEAKER_02: so I asked Dave Weigel, friend of the pod, about this absence, how unusual it was.
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SPEAKER_02: He said, quote,
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SPEAKER_02: this is via text message,
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SPEAKER_02: it's definitely unusual for a candidate to leave the trail for more than
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SPEAKER_02: a long weekend and not explain it first.
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SPEAKER_02: Republicans have been so invested in calling Tallarico a limp-wristed vegan.
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SPEAKER_02: Then I do wonder if they dreaded explaining that the flu knocked him out
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SPEAKER_02: and just tried to wait.
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SPEAKER_03: Is he actually vegan?
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SPEAKER_02: There's no way.
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SPEAKER_02: A vegan.
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SPEAKER_02: There's no way.
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SPEAKER_03: He needs to, like,
14:15
SPEAKER_03: if he wants to run this race in Texas,
14:17
SPEAKER_03: he needs to go eat some fucking barbecue and know it can't be made out of tempeh.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: AI Overview says,
14:22
SPEAKER_02: Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Taylor,
14:24
SPEAKER_02: who is not a vegan,
14:25
SPEAKER_02: though Republican opponents,
14:27
SPEAKER_02: including Trump and Paxton, have repeatedly accused him of being one.
14:31
SPEAKER_03: Oh, funny.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:34
SPEAKER_03: You know what?
14:34
SPEAKER_03: We don't really use that term anymore anyway.
14:36
SPEAKER_03: It's like plant-based.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: The origin of the attack.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: Republicans seized on a 2022 video at a past statehouse campaign interview.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, God.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: Tallarico discussed reducing meat consumption to help combat climate justice, got the candidate.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: That's such a bad sign for the GOP that a meat-reducing...
14:54
SPEAKER_02: Non-binary god guy is competitive with Ken Paxton.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so all these rumors start to spread.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: And the most important figure spreading these rumors, the guy who in one sense...
15:09
SPEAKER_02: Let's kick this story into high gear.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: And the morally worst human being, I think, involved in this is a guy named Nick Sorter.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Does that name ring any bells for you?
15:18
SPEAKER_03: I've seen him on X.
15:20
SPEAKER_03: Was he Haitians eating cats guy or was he Somali daycare guy or is he a different guy?
15:27
SPEAKER_02: Think of Nick Shirley.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: I think there's multiple Nicks.
15:30
SPEAKER_02: Sorter is a major MAGA influencer.
15:32
SPEAKER_02: He's got a really checkered past.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going into some of this because like, All these people are basically criminals.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: There's like so many criminals involved in this story.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: In 2020, he was charged with felony burglary after he was accused of calling a woman 27 times.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: Katie, cover your ears for a sec.
15:48
SPEAKER_03: Oh, wait.
15:49
SPEAKER_03: Are you going to say something about a dog?
15:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:51
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
15:51
SPEAKER_02: Are you covering your ears?
15:53
SPEAKER_02: I guess you can't hear me if you are.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to assume she's covering her ears.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: He was accused of taking her dog.
15:59
SPEAKER_02: Katie, you can come back now.
16:01
SPEAKER_02: Katie?
16:03
SPEAKER_03: Are you done?
16:03
SPEAKER_03: Are you done with the story?
16:05
SPEAKER_03: Have you said it yet?
16:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Are you done?
16:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear it.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: I already said it.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: I've said it.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: The other things,
16:11
SPEAKER_02: in addition to the thing I just said,
16:13
SPEAKER_02: accused of forcing entry into her home, pulling her hair, slapping her.
16:18
SPEAKER_03: But is the dog okay?
16:19
SPEAKER_02: He took her dog.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: He took her dog.
16:20
SPEAKER_03: Oh, God.
16:21
SPEAKER_03: You shouldn't... Oh, wait.
16:21
SPEAKER_03: He just took it?
16:22
SPEAKER_03: He didn't, like, kick it or anything?
16:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:23
SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's fine.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, I doubt he took it and was gentle to it.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: I actually don't have the details about that on me.
16:29
SPEAKER_02: He's also not very good at driving.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: In 2021, he crashed his Maserati into multiple occupied
16:35
SPEAKER_03: buildings.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: Maserati?
16:36
SPEAKER_03: How did he get a Maserati?
16:37
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: Pleaded guilty to reckless driving,
16:40
SPEAKER_02: driving with a suspended license, and failing to report an accident.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Whom's among us?
16:45
SPEAKER_02: And he did not learn his lesson.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: DUI in 2022.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: But...
16:49
SPEAKER_02: In MAGA America,
16:51
SPEAKER_02: there are second and third and fourth chances available to anyone
16:54
SPEAKER_02: who gets Trump's attention.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: And Sorter caught on as a MAGA influencer.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: His niche was criticizing the Biden administration's handling of disasters,
17:03
SPEAKER_02: including the East Palestine train derailment,
17:06
SPEAKER_02: which he discussed on Tucker Carlson's show in 2023.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: Trump actually openly praised Sorter for spreading his agenda on X.
17:14
SPEAKER_03: It's funny how you say actually.
17:17
SPEAKER_02: What did I say?
17:17
SPEAKER_03: You said Trump actually praised him as though it was at all out of character
17:23
SPEAKER_03: for Trump to praise someone who's done something extremely fucking stupid.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
17:27
SPEAKER_02: Trump openly praised Sorter.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: This was at Sorter before the 2024 election post a like a paper letter Trump sent him.
17:34
SPEAKER_02: Katie, read this a little bit from it.
17:36
SPEAKER_03: This sounds like a form letter that he sends all his fans.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: Deep State Swamp Creatures is pretty good.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: That is pretty good.
17:53
SPEAKER_02: As an image.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: So Sorter rose to further prominence within the MAGA movement after he was arrested
17:59
SPEAKER_02: in October 2025.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: There was like an altercation with protesters over flag burning outside
18:06
SPEAKER_02: an ICE facility near Portland.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Those charges were dropped for lack of evidence, except maybe not.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: After Sorter was arrested, Pam Bondi personally intervened.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: Threatening the Portland Police with a Justice Department investigation
18:22
SPEAKER_02: of their political bias.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: And then they drop the charges against Sorter.
18:26
SPEAKER_02: And no one knows for sure.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: Charges get dropped for other reasons.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: But the other people involved in the altercation, charges went forward with them.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: It's funny, this idea that the Portland Police of all organizations, like that's...
18:37
SPEAKER_03: I think that my guess is that knowing Portland,
18:40
SPEAKER_03: Portland leftists, I am 100% sure absolutely despise the Portland police.
18:44
SPEAKER_03: They probably think of them all as fascist.
18:46
SPEAKER_02: No, and the Portland police have been like besieged in recent years.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: So it's funny for them to then get.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: Right.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just it's perverse.
18:54
SPEAKER_03: Like if anyone is MAGA in Portland is probably the police,
18:57
SPEAKER_03: which honestly is probably not even them.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, sort of just like, I think the reason he's popular with Trump is he just makes shit up.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: So in 2025,
19:06
SPEAKER_02: he claimed Oprah, um,
19:08
SPEAKER_02: there was a tsunami warning in this part of Hawaii where Oprah has a place
19:12
SPEAKER_02: and he claimed that she prevented the people fleeing the tsunami warning
19:15
SPEAKER_02: from using her private road.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: But- She didn't own the road like there was like nothing there
19:21
SPEAKER_02: and there were arrangements had already been made.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: I also got I got someone wrote in with this example that I thought was really dark.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: This is from someone who's involved in progressive Minnesota politics.
19:31
SPEAKER_03: Katie, full disclosure, I work in DFL politics.
19:35
SPEAKER_03: The DFL is Minnesota's Democratic Party, and I'm far from unbiased here.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: But in light of the fact
19:40
SPEAKER_03: that you're covering Nick Sorter's latest misinformation campaign,
19:43
SPEAKER_03: I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the reason I've hated him for more than
19:45
SPEAKER_03: a year now.
19:46
SPEAKER_03: His amplification of conspiracy theories about Melissa Hortman.
19:50
SPEAKER_03: Hortman was the Speaker Emerata of the Minnesota House and the leader of
19:53
SPEAKER_03: the House DFLers when she and her husband were murdered in their home.
19:57
SPEAKER_03: In June 2025 by Vance Bolter,
19:59
SPEAKER_03: who by all accounts was obviously motivated by right wing extremism.
20:03
SPEAKER_03: This didn't stop sort of from amplifying blatantly false claims about Bolter, Hortman, etc.
20:08
SPEAKER_03: Not only in the immediate aftermath of the shooting,
20:10
SPEAKER_03: but even now more than a year later as Bolter's case moves through state
20:12
SPEAKER_03: and federal court.
20:13
SPEAKER_03: What was the story of that?
20:14
SPEAKER_03: I remember it.
20:16
SPEAKER_03: Why did he kill these?
20:17
SPEAKER_03: Did he kill a dog too?
20:18
SPEAKER_03: Did he kill two dogs?
20:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to Google that.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: The part that I remember is...
20:23
SPEAKER_03: I think it was a golden retriever.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: Jesus.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: You remember that more than like the number of human victims.
20:27
SPEAKER_03: There were human victims?
20:28
SPEAKER_02: He showed up in the middle of the night at Hortman and her husband's home,
20:33
SPEAKER_02: knocked on the door, claimed to be a cop and then just killed them in cold blood.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: And all of the available evidence suggests he comes from a conservative background.
20:41
SPEAKER_03: Did he have a connection to them at all?
20:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure, but basically, I think this still remains, motives-wise, a little bit unclear.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: He didn't leave a manifesto, like,
20:54
SPEAKER_02: here's why I'm doing this, but all of his political background was on the right.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: He was sort of a religious conservative type.
21:00
SPEAKER_03: That's not very Jesus-like.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: It's not.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: It's a really good point.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: He had a flyer in his car that said,
21:06
SPEAKER_02: no kings, which is a progressive anti-Trump slogan, but that's it.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing else suggesting...
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Lefty motivations and that that I don't know,
21:17
SPEAKER_02: like no one knows why that was there, but it runs counter to all of the rest of it.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: But Sorter started spreading a conspiracy theory that he was a lefty mad
21:26
SPEAKER_02: at Hortman's vote against giving health insurance to illegal aliens.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: It's just this very complicated thing that's just sort of bullshit.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: And we'll include a couple links to that.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: So he just he posts a lot of Just false stuff.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: But when he's not doing that, he is an embarrassingly obsequious cheerleader for Trump.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: So just describe this post, for example.
21:47
SPEAKER_03: Here we go again.
21:48
SPEAKER_03: President Trump has boarded,
21:50
SPEAKER_03: that's in all caps,
21:51
SPEAKER_03: Marine One,
21:51
SPEAKER_03: starting his journey from the White House to Youngstowns, Ohio for a rally.
21:55
SPEAKER_03: Lots of people thought Trump would take Columbus Day off.
21:59
SPEAKER_03: Nope.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: So, wow.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: And it's literally just a picture of Trump walking to the helicopter.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: He was also invited to an anti-Antifa roundtable at the White House.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: So he's very influential.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: Now, Katie, read this tweet of his from early on the morning of Sunday, October 11th.
22:15
SPEAKER_03: Good morning at James Tallarico.
22:17
SPEAKER_03: Would you,
22:18
SPEAKER_03: all caps,
22:18
SPEAKER_03: like to reveal where you actually were these past couple weeks or should me and
22:22
SPEAKER_03: at Ryan Amaker do it?
22:24
SPEAKER_03: Please let us know by 1 p.m.
22:25
SPEAKER_03: ET today.
22:26
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for attention to this matter.
22:27
SPEAKER_03: American flag emoji.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: What's your interpretation of that?
22:30
SPEAKER_03: It makes it sound like he has some inside information about
22:34
SPEAKER_03: where James Tallarico was and he's threatening to release it
22:37
SPEAKER_03: unless Tallarico does it first.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: And just after 1pm, as promised, Sorter posts the it that he has in question.
22:48
SPEAKER_02: Katie, please read the text.
22:50
SPEAKER_03: Alarm emoji?
22:51
SPEAKER_03: Have you ever used an alarm emoji?
22:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm ashamed to say I probably have, but I hope it was for an actual emergency.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: If I ever have a real scoop,
23:00
SPEAKER_03: instead of doing the alarm emoji,
23:03
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to do a cat scoop, like a pooper scooper emoji.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: Scoop.
23:09
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
23:09
SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
23:10
SPEAKER_03: Breaking exclusive.
23:11
SPEAKER_02: By the way, Cat Turd.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: Cat Turd, I saw he had a really good, well, whatever.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: We can talk about Cat Turd later.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: Read what, Katie, you're distracting us.
23:20
SPEAKER_03: Breaking exclusive.
23:21
SPEAKER_03: Ohio Mental Hospital confirms James Teller.
23:25
SPEAKER_03: When I say it, like when I stress it, there's like, I don't want to say all caps.
23:29
SPEAKER_03: So if I stress it at all, it's all caps.
23:31
SPEAKER_03: Confirms.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you just do it like a really campy Broadway guy?
23:35
SPEAKER_03: Confirms.
23:37
SPEAKER_03: James Salarico was discharged from the facility earlier this week.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: The Scarecodes flu thing was a big fat lie.
23:44
SPEAKER_03: Lie.
23:45
SPEAKER_03: Following reporting by...
23:46
SPEAKER_03: And then he ends it with just this like utterly bullshit bit.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: He goes...
24:07
SPEAKER_02: While I sympathize with those dealing with mental health crises,
24:11
SPEAKER_02: this man is clearly not suited to become a U.S.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: Senator representing over 30 million Texans.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: The job doesn't get easier after being elected.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: It only gets more stressful and Tallarico clearly can't handle it.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: I pray he gets the help he needs.
24:27
SPEAKER_02: Nick Sorter does not strike me as a prank type,
24:30
SPEAKER_02: but Texans need a real representative they can rely on.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: You know,
24:35
SPEAKER_03: what Texans need is a man's man with multiple girlfriends,
24:40
SPEAKER_03: preferably times spent in prison.
24:42
SPEAKER_03: He needs to have a record.
24:43
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, you don't want a vegan.
24:45
SPEAKER_03: You want someone with high T, someone who doesn't believe.
24:49
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so nothing for James Tallarico?
24:50
SPEAKER_03: Um,
25:24
SPEAKER_01: Yes, it looks, well, this is what it's today.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: It looks like she was discharged this evening.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't have it.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he was discharged then?
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: And this is the Hope Linder?
25:39
SPEAKER_01: They should be.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: And I'll make sure you're at the right, but this is Hope Linder?
25:45
SPEAKER_01: Yes, uh-huh.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: And you're in Hamilton, Ohio?
25:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: No, we're not in Hamilton.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: We're in Mason.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: So that's why he's on the system.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: He's in Reset.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: All right.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.
25:59
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
26:00
SPEAKER_03: Here I have a few questions.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: For one, what is James Tallarico's insurance that he can get out of state mental health care?
26:07
SPEAKER_03: That's your main question.
26:09
SPEAKER_03: What sort of insurance are house reps in Texas getting?
26:12
SPEAKER_03: I want that.
26:13
SPEAKER_03: Is this out of network?
26:15
SPEAKER_03: Is this cash pay?
26:16
SPEAKER_02: These are really good questions.
26:18
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: But what do you make of that moment?
26:20
SPEAKER_03: Like with this woman on the phone?
26:23
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it sounds like a HIPAA violation.
26:26
SPEAKER_03: You are the HIPAA expert as a frequent violator of HIPAA.
26:30
SPEAKER_03: Can you call a facility and just ask about patients?
26:35
SPEAKER_03: Can I call any facility and be like, is James there?
26:38
SPEAKER_03: And they'll just tell me.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, so sometimes, yes,
26:41
SPEAKER_02: there's actually like you need to basically fill out a thing saying you don't want
26:45
SPEAKER_02: that to happen for normal health care.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: My sense is for a psychiatric facility,
26:50
SPEAKER_02: usually no, because that's like revealing more about your condition, basically.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Also, like a this is apparently a well-regarded clinic
26:59
SPEAKER_02: that will sometimes have famous people at it.
27:01
SPEAKER_03: So, no, you'd think there'd be some protocols there.
27:05
SPEAKER_03: But she sounded I mean, she said like he was discharged.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: Is she going to get fired?
27:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll get back.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: Does she exist?
27:13
SPEAKER_02: Yes, she does.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Among the many,
27:17
SPEAKER_02: many things that are about to have happened
27:19
SPEAKER_02: in this story was people claiming this phone call was AI.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was AI at all.
27:25
SPEAKER_03: It sounds real.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, soon we're not going to be able
27:27
SPEAKER_03: to know.
27:28
SPEAKER_03: It's not an Ohio accent, but it sounds real.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: Do you think AI can yet simulate the voice of a tired old lady?
27:35
SPEAKER_02: No.
27:36
SPEAKER_03: You know, my my Claude speaks to me as like a gay British man.
27:39
SPEAKER_03: I don't think they've come up with Barbara yet.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Is that what you set it to?
27:43
SPEAKER_02: Is there a setting for gay straight by for the voice?
27:46
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what it is.
27:46
SPEAKER_03: You know, Jana.
27:47
SPEAKER_03: OK, so Jana has her phone, her Apple phone or whatever, her iPhone set to a non-binary voice.
27:55
SPEAKER_03: And when you call her, you should do this sometime just to listen to it.
27:59
SPEAKER_03: The voicemail.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: So it's not just that Siri talks to her like an MB, this sort of gravelly testosterone voice.
28:07
SPEAKER_03: Her voicemail is a fucking MB.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that that was the setting.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: Do you want to hear it?
28:13
SPEAKER_02: Right now?
28:14
SPEAKER_02: No.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:15
SPEAKER_03: We'll do it later.
28:15
SPEAKER_02: Will you send it to me later?
28:16
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah,
28:19
SPEAKER_02: at first blush,
28:20
SPEAKER_02: it sounds like this woman is not really respecting James Tallarico's privacy
28:25
SPEAKER_02: and is saying, yes, he was discharged.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: Now, these other names he mentions, Sarah Gonzalez works at Blaze TV.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: We'll get back to her because Sorter's claim that he was following up
28:35
SPEAKER_02: on her reporting would actually prove pretty important.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Carolyn Wren is a Republican fundraiser and political operative.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: She raised money for Trump's 2020 re-election campaign.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: She also raised funds for a Trump rally held on January 6, 2021.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: That's bad timing.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: But Ryan Amaker is the freshest face here, or at least the established one.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: And he was really the guy who, like, without his actions, this wouldn't have happened.
29:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, who is he?
29:06
SPEAKER_02: Well, let's give a sampling of his tweets.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Katie, just describe these.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: All right.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: He's got a picture of some girls who look like they're dressed up for Oktoberfest.
29:16
SPEAKER_03: Blonde.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: They got the most of them have the short skirts.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: One of them's a little bit.
29:20
SPEAKER_03: It's like Oktoberfest, but slutty.
29:23
SPEAKER_03: And he says, Sluttoberfest.
29:26
SPEAKER_03: You know, that's a porn.
29:28
SPEAKER_03: Protect these women from the Islamic invaders at all cost.
29:33
SPEAKER_03: Salute emoji.
29:35
SPEAKER_03: German flag emoji.
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SPEAKER_02: There's not a single Islamic invader in that photo, thankfully.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's do another one, Katie.
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SPEAKER_03: Do you think those girls are the Islamic invaders?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's like, there could be.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe that's what he was saying.
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SPEAKER_02: Protect the women behind the lens from these undercover Islamic invaders.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, next one.
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SPEAKER_03: True European diversity.
29:53
SPEAKER_03: And it's a picture of a bunch of attractive white women with very diverse colors
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SPEAKER_03: of hair and eyes, ranging from...
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SPEAKER_03: Green to blue to brown to hazel.
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SPEAKER_02: My spidey sense is tingling a little bit here.
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SPEAKER_02: True European diversity.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Is he German?
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SPEAKER_02: I believe that is his background.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Just describe this last one.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: This looks like an AI cartoon of a-
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SPEAKER_02: Well, read the text first.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, the text is detain today, deport tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_03: And then there's an AI cartoon of a very Aryan looking couple.
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SPEAKER_03: And he has his hand.
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SPEAKER_03: He's like hugging his woman.
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SPEAKER_03: He's like behind her, sort of hugging her.
30:37
SPEAKER_03: He's although he's like grasping her titty.
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SPEAKER_03: That's what's so weird.
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SPEAKER_03: And you know what else is really weird about this?
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SPEAKER_03: Look at her hand.
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SPEAKER_03: She has man hands.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: That's so funny you notice that because everyone was pointing that out on Twitter.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're huge.
30:51
SPEAKER_03: That's really funny.
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SPEAKER_03: She has the hands of a 47-year-old transgender woman named Deb
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SPEAKER_02: who works in a field.
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SPEAKER_02: Her other hand is like a normal size.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, he's just grabbing her breasts.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand how Ryan...
31:11
SPEAKER_02: I ended up speaking with Ryan for quite some time,
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SPEAKER_02: and I forgot to ask him whether when he saw this,
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SPEAKER_02: to me, fairly white nationalist coded image, do you think he asked in the prompt...
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SPEAKER_02: Would ChatGPT do that?
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SPEAKER_02: If you were like, I want, make this photo.
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SPEAKER_02: Also, I want the guy to be filling up the woman.
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SPEAKER_02: I bet I wouldn't do that.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, Grok would.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: Grok, definitely.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Grok would, that's the default for Grok.
31:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: I got to say that like back in the day of Pepe memes,
31:40
SPEAKER_02: like 2015, I thought MAGA Twitter was just better at memeing.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not endorsing the content of it,
31:47
SPEAKER_02: which was racist and anti-Semitic,
31:48
SPEAKER_02: but I thought it was like genuinely edgy and like, I don't know.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember being like a little bit at least like creative?
31:55
SPEAKER_03: No, I don't.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: No?
31:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't.
31:58
SPEAKER_03: Was it?
31:58
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying it wasn't.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying I don't remember it.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: I just think it's gotten way... Like, there's no effort to any of these.
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SPEAKER_02: There's no passion here.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: Well, it's gone mainstream.
32:10
SPEAKER_03: Everything... Like, when this shit goes mainstream, whether it's like...
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SPEAKER_03: Radical queer stuff or it's MAGA like it's going to be more clever
32:19
SPEAKER_03: when it was like underground 4chan like in the Richard Hanania days.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And now it's like diluted.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, it's less pure.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: I want him to put more effort into his racism is what I'm saying.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm offended by that.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: So Run is like an aspiring MAGA influencer.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: He would later say he had a bit of Republican campaign experience,
32:41
SPEAKER_02: I think of the 2024 Trump race, but he's not really in politics per se.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: He would later tell me he's on the autism spectrum and
32:49
SPEAKER_02: that he thinks this has sometimes gotten him in trouble.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: He takes trolling too far.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Poor guy.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: I asked if he had a diagnosis.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: He said yes, but I didn't really push him for the documentation.
32:59
SPEAKER_03: You should have.
33:00
SPEAKER_03: You want to see a letter from his doctor.
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SPEAKER_02: I should have called up his doctor and be like, I'm...
33:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm Ryan Amaker's dad and I need to know right now if he has autism.
33:12
SPEAKER_03: You could have called his elementary school too.
33:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay, continue.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, there's a lot of characters here.
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SPEAKER_02: But to explain how Ryan came out.
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