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Listen To Your Body's Intuition · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma, getting to the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
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on discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, ballistic practitioners, loved ones,
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and anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in the past couple of weeks have been or has
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been incredibly rough over here. I have spent more time in my wheelchair and
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in bed than I have in a very long time. And I know the
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lot of the reasons behind this is because, well, it starts with one
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percent my nutritional deficiencies. As we know. On the show, I talk
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a lot about nutrition and inflammation, and we talk about how I've got this
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cute little eating disorder that kind of crept up on me and I'm working through
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it in my own time. But what I'm learning on this show is that
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I'm doing a lot of it wrong. And I have so many wonderful healers
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and practitioners and nutritionis and all these amazing, amazing people that are here and
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they're talking to me, and I'm listening to all the messages and I feel
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like, my God, lindsay, I've got to pick up at least a
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couple of these and start implementing them. But we get to a place,
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especially in the chronic pain community, where we have so much information that we're
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given and so many tests and so many blood tests and so many things,
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and we don't know what the hell to do with them, right, And
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we know that with nutritional deficiency coupled with massive amounts of stress, pretty sure
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everybody's body is going to be hot and inflamed and burning like mine. Right.
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And as a smart little chicky over here, it's frustrating that I know
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the things that I need to do in relation to nutrition and food in stress
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management, I'm just still not getting it right. So my big hitters are
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nutrition and stress. Right, then if I could get a grip on these
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legitimately, it would be a game changer for me. And I don't know
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if it's because I don't care for food as much as the average Joe does
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that I'm like pushing back on it. I just need like a little bit
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more support. And there's somebody that we're going to talk to a little bit
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today, who's gonna help talk a little bit about that and what I've learned
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so much about lowering information and the things that we eat. It's not even
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just about eliminating the things that we eat as much as is it's adding things
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in. And that is where I'm blocking because I've let go of all the
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shit I'm not supposed to eat, right, I haven't put anything back in
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and it is unbelievable. And like I mentioned, we've gone through I've gone
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through so many tests and we go through these scans and doctor's appointment. We
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have so much information and so much frustration. We don't have like a central
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guide to help us analyze all of this and then go okay as a holistic
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to human being, because that's who we are. We're a whole person.
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Even though I kind of feel like I'm slicing dice and thrown all over the
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map. Every day it's describing me nuts and it's lurking over me, and
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it's lurking over me every day, and something that it's an official like lindsay
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moment, it's time to do something about it. So let's talk about it.
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So help further Ado, I'd like to introduce to you my unbelievably adorable
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guest, Hope It draw O. Thank you, You're so sweet. So
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let's talk about thank you for being here today, Hope, thank you,
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Lindsay, thanks for having me. Of course, of course, the Hope
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is a certified holistic nutritionist, functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner, Certified hair tissue and
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mineral analysis expert, which you are going to really be interested in. Raiki
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Master, a human design guide and a founder of an imbalanced pilates based fitness
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franchise, and like she's got nothing else going on in her life, the
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host of the Hopeful and Wholesome podcast, which I'm going to be in later
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on in the year. So all right, I'm rolling out the red carpet
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for You'd like to kind of start with how you got into the field of
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like functional nutrition and medicine, and let's take it from there. Yeah.
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So, um, I've had those kind of twofold I resonate with your story
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about your eating disorder because that was kind of part of mine. I had
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years and years of disorder eating behavior and led me down the path of like
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just being completely obsessive compulsive about food and exercise. Right, So, like
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you asked me the calor account of any food on the planet, and I
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could tell you. So I think that's part of it. Was just this
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obsession I had with food for a while. But the other piece of it
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and will I have it, no needing to heal from that, but the
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other piece of it. I grew up with a lot of digestive issues as
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a kid, just like colonoscopies and endoscopes and all the poking and prodding and
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cameras up and in and all the places, you know, all the things,
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and you know, all for the doctor, the final doctor to be
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like, oh, you have ibs, which is like, I don't know,
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you're some ex messed up, Like that's you know, they don't give
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you any help or direction whatever. So I just kind of take it on
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myself as I get older, to like read and learn and educate myself.
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And it was kind of just the journey I took upon myself because I realized
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nobody else is really going to help me, and nothing, you know,
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the doctors were saying, was helping me at all. I think that that
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too, was like I just had this fascination with the human body and just
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like figuring things out and so it just kind of led me down the path
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of that, and then combine that with my love of movement. I was
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a dancer growing up for twenty many years, and so that led me into
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Plotties. And so initially it was like this combination of having my Plotty studio
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and I wanted to create this kind of comprehensive experience for people like it come
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in and get their their workout or whatever. But I also wanted to offer
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them this nutrition piece, and so I initially it was just basic nutrition coaching,
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right, just kind of like you know, we talked about calories,
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we talked about carbs, and you know, just kind of basic things.
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And me realizing that these women that I was working with, I was talking
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to it was like a much deeper conversation than just calories and macros. You've
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got like serious hormonal issues going on, like you've got your thaw rights totally
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ejected. Like it was deeper issues and a much bigger conversation than you know,
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how many calories you're eating for lunch. And so I think that really
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drove me into the functional part. And you know, getting my certification as
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an FDMP or, I wanted to be able to reach women at this deeper
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level to provide whole like holistic you're saying holistic or like that holistic experience and
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really healing them from the inside out of getting to the root cause. Well,
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and that's awesome to be because the root cause is the root of the
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problem, totally totally. So when people come in and they start to work
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with you, where do you start with women? Because I do you only
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work with women because we're awesome? So well we are. Yeah, I
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mean I do work with some men, and I've work with kids every now
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and then, but I think, you know, for the majority, I
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draw in women for the most part, and that's who I started working with.
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But I'm not I don't disterminate, so I work with men or with
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kids, but it just happens that way, and I do what I do,
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like working with the men just because it's I empathize so much with everything
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that not that I you know, I don't know that I've dealt with all
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the things that women are dealing with that come to me, but I just
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empathize with them so much because I know I can at least empathize with the
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frustration of like I just want answers like somebody just tell me what's freaking going
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on in my body? Like I understand what that what that's light? So
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I just I feel that. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's where
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we all end up getting to, right, especially in the chronic pain community.
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And it's not even just chronic pain, you know, it's it's trauma
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that comes out and and like brings its head up in other places in our
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body and we're not really sure why. And that's actually the pain. It's
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not something that's physically wrong with you. And that's what's something that's we talk
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about on the show on every episode, about the fact that how trauma sits
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in our bodies, right, and now there's so many different ways to go
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about it, and the approach is behind it. So can you talk a
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little bit about how what your approach is within your business and how you are
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helping other people in that regard. Yeah, So, I mean really,
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I'd say it's like a three pronged approach that I take, because yeah,
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we're looking at the physical piece, right, like I run the functional labs
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or looking at what's going on in the physical body. But just like you
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said, I'm a firm believer that every physical ailment that's coming to the surface
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has its issues and the energetic emotional body like there's something and the energetic emotional
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body that's caused this thing to happen. And so like, yeah, of
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course we want the physical symptoms to go away. Who doesn't we want to
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you know, we want to feel comfortable in our bodies. But only addressing
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the physical pieces. And this is something I've learned throughout you know, my
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works and APT and p and at Pogetricius. It's only going to get you
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so far addressing the physical piece. And like you're talking about the trauma and
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the emotions. I actually this just this morning. Actually I had a session.
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I do emotional early sessions. This is one way that I worked my
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clients. So I kind of combine my Baki training with if you're familiar with
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the emotion code, but basically just finding where stored emotions are and we work
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to release them, like and what where they are, identify them worked really
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simple. And like I had a session with one of my clients and she
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found this like very pinpointed pain that was in her left ovary and we ended
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up uncovering that. Yeah, it was very very specific, yes, and
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she realized that it was shame and this whole like specific event came into her
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head. This is when it happened. And She's like for years, I
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like even my mislage therapists has been saying, like, something's going on with
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the left side of your body. And I felt she had a sister that
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had grown in her ovary just a few months ago, Like it was literally
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manifesting from this emotion that was stored in her body. So like, I
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don't need any be more evidence than that that, like your emotions, your
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trauma that you're holding onto, is manifesting in the physical body. And so
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for me, it's combining that physical piece with this like energetic, emotional,
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spiritual piece of uncovering the real root cause we're talking abou root caused, the
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real root cause like this the trauma, the emotions that have been stored and
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that are just you know, creating blockages and stagnation and imbalances in the body.
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It really is amazing. Like I've been thinking back as I've been doing
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eight shit ton of emotional work, yesterday was a biggie damn near like floored
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me. I was down, well, I was I was down for the
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entire day in the night and I could barely function them. But I released
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a lot of stuff that I didn't even know was sitting where it was sitting.
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It's just not When you are open to the idea that energy is and
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trauma is stuck in places in your body, it is so much easier to
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start working through the pain and the traumas and identifying what they are. Because
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you know, when we're younger, we're gonna high school, we're in college,
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and even when we're out of college, nothing can touch us. We
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think that we're great. You know, just float it up. It won't
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cause any problems down the road, not one, not a one. It'll
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just be good for you. It'll be very very good for you and your
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self esteem and like the things that we get ourselves into. You know,
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if you were in a sorority or a fraternity and you go out and you
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party and there's all these all of those things. And I've mentioned the book
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a billion times I will continue to do so. Is the body key the
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scot is the best way that I can think about it is because it does.
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It sits here. And I listed the other night what has happened to
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me in the past twenty years. I will never show it to anybody.
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It is fucking sad and and I believe wholeheartedly that part of the reason that
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I've ended up half of my life in a wheelchair is because I didn't even
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know that all of these things were actually just going to sit there until I
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dealt with them. And so they're just kind of they've been pushed down,
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you know, from your head down and slowly but slowly, and now they're
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stuck in my legs. And so that for me is my best visual is
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that I've got to release things like from my hips down wherever comes from.
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And it's so amazing the power of our mind and our mindset and the things
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that we can shift without a medication, without a pill, that all this
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other shit that they're thrown at us, our inner power of our own selves
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is incredibly powerful if we if we just go all right, you know,
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it might be a little woo woo for some people. For me, just
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okay, so nothing else is working, what else is right exactly and not
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in the world's damn it, exactly it And that's I mean, honestly,
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that's the perspective I take with some michend and I do have a lot of
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claims to come to me, and they're totally open to all of the energetic
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work. And then I have some that that, you know, they're a
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little skeptical, and that's my my the point I make to them too,
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I'm like, why not just try it? Like what's the worst I could
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happen? Like nothing else is working, so let's try this. Yeah,
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and we've tried five thousand things and hundreds of thousands of dollars, Like what's
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another hundred and fifty bucks or whatever? That exactly. So you let's move
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into a little bit about the difference between conventional and functional lab work, because
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I think it's really important for people to know the difference between those. A
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your viewpoint on it, because you and I share the same viewpoint. And
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then kind of talk about the mineral balancing and the hair tissue of mineral analysis
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because that is so incredibly interesting versus blood tests. So when we're looking at
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conventional versus functional there's really I think two main differences. First off, conventional
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labs typically are going to measure move most of the time, it's a blood
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lab like every now and then a document to a stool test or sending.
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For the most part, it's a blood lab and any blood lab regardless,
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but especially when when I get into talking about the htm A, when you're
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looking at any blood labs, it's a varies. Is like it's a blip
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in time, right, like this is what's going on in your body,
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like right now when I take your blood, right, So this is not
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taking to account what's been going on in the past three, four, five,
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six months, Right, It's not taking to account the thing that happened
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last week when I was having this flare up. But now I'm not,
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and so now it's you know, it's not reflecting any of that. With
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the functional lab, we're looking at other things, right, So we're looking
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at saliva or urine or blood spot, stool, hair tissue, right,
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We're looking at other things, and we want to a broader look at what's
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going on over a longer period of time. And then the other big difference
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is the ranges, like a conventional range for the functional range. Conventional range
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on any lab is basically based on like an average group for people. And
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it's like the point of it is like, well, you're not dead,
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so that's it. Right. So when we're looking at a functional lab,
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it's like, Okay, let's look at optimal health, right, I'd rather
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live optimally than just not dead. And so I think that's the other thing
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that happens with women that I you know what I mean, I mean,
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you know what I mean, I do. I totally do because I've been
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poked and prodded, like nobody's been yeah, well and people I have people
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like you con me all the time and they've gone to the doctors. They've
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been poked and prodded and all the things, all for the doctor to be
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like, oh, well your labs look normal. Well yeah, if you're
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looking at the conventional range, it's like, well, yeah, I'm I'm
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alive and I'm breathing, doesn't matter, feel good. And so we're looking
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at functional labs and functional ranges. It's a totally different range of optimal health.
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Like we want to get some optimal health and live and thrive and not
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just kind of survive and get through the day. And that's a lot of
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the clients I work with a lot of it. It's like they're literally just
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like having to like you, like they're having to like I just need to
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get through the day. That that's their botto every day and it's snow way
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to live. Why are we okay providing care medical healthcare for people that that's
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the end result? Who you know, that's I'm just going to get through
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the day. Like, how is I don't know why that's okay? It's
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not okay, and it's it's gotten to the point, especially over here in
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our household, it is. It is challenging, like beyond challenging. And
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I know that stress is a huge component to that. But so so when
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you're doing conventional versus functional testing, what is the difference between the route that
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people take? Is it? Because with conventional we all know it's like all
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right, well we get our blood tests, we do this. How is
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it? Is it a different form of analysis or is it different types of
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tests that are providing? Yeah, it's different type of tests. So the
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three main laps that I use. I do the HTMA, which you know
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we're talking about, which is literally are sitting out some of your hair.
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I do a GIMP, which is a STUL test or really in depth STUL
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tests. I do the Dutch test, which is really comprehensive hormone tests that's
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basically p onto paper to drive your in tests. Yeah, I've done them
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all. Yeah, I love you've done all those. Every now and then
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I do depending on the client, I'll do an organic assets test, which
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is also a year in test. There's a saliva test, so yeah,
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it's different like bodily fluids we're looking at, but it is just a different
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measure as well. Yeah, and I can tell you the poop tests are
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so much fun, guys. It's very glamorous. It's super stinky. There's
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like nothing better than digging through your poo exactly. It it's so gross that
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I'm you said something earlier about like IBS, right, and it's similar to
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like fibrom alja, where it's just like these kind of like junk diagnosis because
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they can't figure it out. And I don't mean, for god's sakes,
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please don't blow me up about it's a junk analysis or a junk diagnosis diagnosis
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because you have quote unquote IBS or quote unquote fibrom aldo. I am here
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to tell you that based on all the conversations that I've had and all of
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the research I've had, they just don't know what else to do. That's
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exactly it. I don't want us to do. So we're just gonna put
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you in this big old bucket and God's space. That is basically it's terrible.
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It is well. And even then you have other like I've had so
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many clients who the doctors, because that's the thing that's whole medical and insurance
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how the works. You've got to have a diagnosis to have the code to
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give you the work, you know, to pass the buck long. And
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so even my clients who I have a clients who have been diagnosed with RA
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and all these are things where they don't even have that, but they needed
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the diagnosis to pass the buck along to it. Let's go see this doctor
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now, right, Like, that's the thing is, it's it's you have.
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That's how whole conventional medical system works. We got to have the diagnosis,
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we can treat this symptom here with this medication where I can pass you
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off to this other doctor and then then you're there, Bob Noah. And
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then all we are is pushed around and pushed around and pushed around and more
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frustrated and more frustrated and more set totally. I mean, I believe the
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wholeheartedly. I use the word wholeheartedly. So much on this show. I
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guess it's just like the wholeheartedly show is Lebrono. But I believe wholeheartedly that
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words being fucked with, and it just drives me insane, Like, Okay,
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great, you've given me this diagnosis and you're putting me on this pill
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which I don't do because I don't do the pill thing, and and I'm
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glad that I don't, but I still have these issues. I know hardstop
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with some of the things I need to do. I know that I know
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my weaknesses. I know the places I need to improve, where a lot
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of people don't. They they're not honest with their selfs, they're not open
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with their self, they're not journaling, they're not going through the things that
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they need to do to figure out, like there's core issues that are going
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on that like I know the people in my life that will flare me.
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I know the people in my life that I need to avoid. I know
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the people of my life that I've cut out. I know certain triggers of
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foods, I know certain triggers with people. I know certain things that will
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occur that will be like WHOA, all of a sudden, my legs feel
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like they need to be chopped off, and I'm like, well, who
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are you hanging around? And then my answer is it you know, And
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so that is stressed. That is management, that is cutting out toxicity in
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their life on that whole plane as well, which is nuts. But okay,
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so can you talk really quick? So I kind of like whoop dedrail
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for just a second, but can you talk about HTMA please, because you've
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mentioned it a couple of times. It's called hair tissue and mineral analysis,
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because I'm that's really interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah, So the HTMA
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is a look at your hair, which is a tissue, right, So
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you're sending in a teaspoon of your hair to get analyzed. So of course
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you can go to the doctorate, you can get a blood panel to look
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at your mineral levels. But like I said before, it's really just a
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bliff in time, right, And when you're looking at a tissue, at
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your tissue, which hair is a tissue, you're looking at what's going on
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chronically. So we're getting a good look at what's going on at like the
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last three or four months. Not only that, but when you get your
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like you're blood tested for minerals. A lot of the minerals, A lot
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of the really important minerals or intra cellular, meaning they're supposed to be in
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your cells. So when we look at a blood panel, it's really not
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that accurate of a look at what's going on with all of your mineral levels.
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And I've had clients kind of before where their doctors are like, oh,
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like your potasim levels are kind of high, but's how to say that
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your cellular's supposed to be your cells. So it's how your blood actually means
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you're deficient. It's not bioavailable, like it's floating our own supposwe been your
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cells, so it's it's not the case actually, So it's just really misunderstood
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how minerals work and how they move in and out of the cells. And
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and so with an htm A, we're able to look at what's going on
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chronically and what's going on at a cellular level because you were looking at your
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tissues. So it's a much more accurate look and a better look at what's
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going on chronically. So we're measuring on this lab anywhere from like it's around
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like two dozen minerals. You're looking at the big ones, right, like
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the big macro minerals like potassium, magnesium, sodium, and calcium, and
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then you know a handful of others. We're looking at heavy metals, being
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at toxic elements, and then we also look at the relationships between the minerals
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because that's the other piece too. And I think that's why, like getting
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a blood panel and and and you know, somebody can correct me if I'm
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wrong, but every blood panel I've ever seen, they're just looking at it's
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like, here's the mineral, here's these minerals, and it just lists out
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the minerals, and that's it. When the nfl UL minerals are important,
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but it's also the relationships between the minerals that are important, and to understand
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the relationships between them. Because you can look at even at an HTMA,
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can look at it face value and interpret it twenty eight different ways. But
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if you look at the ratios between certain minerals, it's going to tell you
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a totally different story. So people, when you look at the ratios we're
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looking at, you can tell how your adrenals affectioning in your thyroid, your
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blood sugar regulation and metabolism, and your car metabolism, your your nervous system,
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your liver, your hormone balance, Like, there's so many things we
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can look at, looking at the relationships between the minerals. Shoo, can
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you opt out of the liver part of that test? That is damn it
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doesn't show the amount of cocaine I did back in my twenties. They won't
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tell you that. How far does it go back? A couple of months?
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Yeah, it's around three or four months, is how far I go
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back? Yeah? Yeah, because I joke about that, because you know,
21:44
they always do like the Judge test, like back in the day when
21:45
like everyone was like drinking a tea to get rid of them because they're like,
21:49
oh my god, I can't my mom know that I'm smoking pot.
21:52
God bless America. I now do pot with my mom. It's a wonderful
21:56
world. If you knew guys knew my mom, you'd know what a crazy,
22:00
crazy thing that is for her to even think about doing that. But
22:03
she's a little missgummy now. But that's so interesting. So now now you've
22:08
got all of these results and the and the intricacies of the relationship between them,
22:15
right and because so it's a relationship just like we are with people,
22:18
Like there are things that jive and things that don't and things that need to
22:21
be fixed. And that's why we go to you know, some people go
22:25
to you know, therapists for their for their couple's counseling or whatever. It's
22:27
almost like your couple's counselor for yeah. And so when yeah, I do
22:34
too, Actually, thank you? Is it? But the when when you
22:37
join those and you look at them, So what can you give me?
22:41
Do you have like a good story of somebody that came and that you can
22:45
give as an example? And I'm sorry till I put you on the spot.
22:48
I just had a conversation with one yesterday. Oh good, Yeah,
22:51
so one of my clients history. We were going through WHO labs. So
22:53
there's a few things I think that surprise people the most. In our hteammate,
23:00
a lot of times it's around sodium and calcium. And like my client
23:03
yesterday, for example, and she's dealing with like pretty intense gut symptoms like
23:07
energy levels, sleep hormones or like all over. I mean, she's got
23:11
like a laundry list of things going on, and so looking at her h
23:15
she may her calcium levels were really elevated, and so we look at and
23:19
we think, okay, we'll have too much calcium, but it's different,
23:22
Like a blood test for calcium is different than a tissue test and calcium.
23:26
Your calcium is a structural mineral suppsed to be in your bones to your teeth.
23:30
So when it's being pushed out into your tissue, this is creating problems
23:33
because now you're taking the risk of building what's called a calcium shell around your
23:37
cells and your nerves, and it's going to cause issues. So for like
23:41
my thybriid clients, typically their calciums really elevated and they have this calcium shell
23:45
around their cells, and so the thabory hormones having trouble getting in and out
23:48
their cells will no wonder your fibrid is struggling because your cells can't take in
23:52
your thabrid hormones. It's like trying to go through a concrete exactly exactly,
23:55
and it's also causing Like I had one client who she had, I mean,
23:59
her cause shell was like it was massive. It was like off the
24:03
charts. She was dealing with things like ADHD and anxiety and all these like
24:07
mental emotional things going on. Because it's also traveling to your brain and on
24:10
the tissues and the cells in your brain. It's affecting how your brain's functioning.
24:12
And like my client yesterday, the other thing, her sodium was through
24:15
the roof. Again, this isn't saying she's eating too much sodium. This
24:18
is saying that the sodium is being pushed onto your tissues because it's a stress
24:22
response. Your adrenals when they're stress, they release sodium. You have more
24:26
sodium and your adrenals, your adenals use more sodum than any other part of
24:29
your body. And so the fact that her sodium stores are so elevated,
24:32
like your adrenals are working in overdrive right now, Like we're taking the risk
24:34
of going to like fulan adrenal exhaustion, which I have plenty of clients who
24:37
are there. And so there's another indication like, okay, let's focus on
24:41
the adrenals. We Her zinc and copper ratio was off. Her zinc was
24:45
like through the roof. Her copper is super low, which you would see
24:49
that on the lab and think, okay, she's deficient and copper. It's
24:52
actually when her zinc is that high and the copper is that low, it's
24:56
the opposite your body. It's bio and available, it's not able to use
24:59
the copper, and there's like this toxicity going on in the body, and
25:02
so being able to like pinpoint these like prison Now we have her journals need
25:04
help, she needs get her calcium down, we need to raise her magnesium,
25:07
we need to get her zinc to cop ratio. So we have this
25:10
list of things that are showing up and all of that was correlated into your
25:14
symptoms. The zinc to coper ratio is your like hormonal ratio. So it's
25:17
pointing the fact that she has this extreme estrogenvenominance, which she does. And
25:21
that's the thing too. I think it's important to note is a lot of
25:25
women come to me for their hormones, right they think, like it just
25:27
fix my hormones. Don't have to do fix my hormones. Your hormones are
25:32
just another sign that something is off. Like your hormones are never the root
25:34
cause. So getting to the root cause of your hormones means we have to
25:37
go deeper. And for me, I always start with the minerals. I
25:40
never addressed the hormones before I addressed them. I never just anything before addressed
25:42
the minerals. Because the minerals are what's going on at the cellular level,
25:45
Like I was saying, that's what the HTM is reading, and so no
25:51
reaction in the body can happen without minerals. It's there that you've probably heard,
25:53
like the spark plugs in the body of the minerals are like it literally
25:56
is igniting every reaction in the body. So when our minerals or deficient are
26:00
depleted or just out of balance, it's affecting every function in every reaction in
26:04
the body. So there's to me, it's useless just you know, going
26:08
to straight to addressing your hormones when the minerals are out of black that we've
26:11
got to store the minerals. So my copper, for example, is like
26:17
freaking off the chart high, like out of control high. And they're like,
26:21
how the hell, Like what is that? And I mean, I'd
26:23
love to send you my test, the test that I've done and see what
26:26
your thoughts are on them. But it's because I've done all of the metal
26:29
toxicity and I've done this, and I've done that. And again, like
26:32
I said in the beginning, now I have all of this information and I
26:36
have two more tests that I'm going that I'm jumping into. Now I've got
26:38
all of this and now it's that whole. Now what do I do with
26:41
it? You know? And that's that's that is the frustration I think that
26:45
we're all dealing with and it doesn't even have anything to do well, has
26:48
something to do the chronic pain, but it means everybody that's got other stuff,
26:52
because it's not just what we're talking about here. It's not just about
26:56
chronic pain. It's it's it's chronic health issues. It's and we all have
27:03
something. I mean, we're all aging, we've all been through trauma,
27:07
we've all been through health stuff, we've all been through all we've all been
27:10
through, we've all been through and so like I always say, is that
27:12
everybody is different. Everybody is a different body, you know, and so
27:17
we all have to look at ourselves holistically, for you as a person,
27:22
not what the books are telling you that you're supposed to be. And that's
27:25
the thing that drives me batshit crazy, which is why I've moved a lot
27:29
away from doctors just as a whole, because all they've done is caused me
27:33
problems. That's it. All they've done is make me more sick. But
27:37
as we know here in the United States, and I know I've got listeners
27:38
that are all over the world, which thank you so much for joining us.
27:42
But the United States, I mean, we keep our people sick.
27:45
This is just like what we do. It's part of our business and it's
27:48
really really sucky. And so what we have to do, and unfortunately it's
27:55
pricy, yeah, because there isn't a code for X, Y and Z,
28:00
and so we have we struggle to do a more holistic approach to things
28:04
for our bods because our country's infrastructure in the healthcare industry is absolutely crazy.
28:11
Yeah, and you know we're all sick. I mean, everybody's sick.
28:15
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's true. And I think that part is
28:18
the part that frustrates me the most. And that's really I mean, that's
28:22
really the only one of the only things that ever holds people back from working
28:25
with me is now some people do have you know, success using their HSA
28:29
or something for labs and stuff and for working with me, but not everybody
28:32
takes that and not everybody has HS say, but it redrives me crazy that
28:36
like, because really, I mean the model of health that we're promoting this
28:37
country is sickcare, Like, we're not trying to get people healthy, so
28:41
it's just like, let's just manage your symptoms. And not everybody can afford
28:44
to do functional labs, and there's there's not a competition with these labs to
28:47
bring the price down. So they are you know, they're price they're not
28:49
they're not cheap. Yeah, And every single task I've taken is absolutely within
28:55
the range of seven hundred and fifty to two thousand dollars. Yeah. Nice,
28:59
I believe it. Yeah. So I know that you work with a
29:02
lot of and we talked about like medical gaslights lighting, and I kind of
29:07
wanted to like move into that really quick because I know that's something that you
29:11
wanted to talk about. So I feel like that's kind of a good segue.
29:15
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good conversation. Yeah. Yeah, so
29:18
let's get into that. What are your thoughts on medical gaslighting? How long
29:22
do we have? I know we could go another two to three hours on
29:26
this topic, I'm telling you, No, I mean I think you know,
29:30
the piece we were talking about about, the like the cost is like
29:33
equally as frustrating as the medical gaslighting thing. And there was this article and
29:40
it was this reporter that was talking about medical gaslighting and had interviewed all these
29:45
women, and basically the point of the article was how substantially higher medical gaslighting
29:51
is and women versus men. And these women that she was interviewing, they
29:55
had like stage four cancer and had been brushed off by like doctor and not
29:59
even one doctor after doctor doctor. I mean, the list, it's it's
30:03
insanity. And it's crazy to me that doctors, like doctors aren't dumb,
30:07
they're smart human beings, and these doctors know that these things happen, that
30:10
women get brushed off and end up with these things, and yet they still
30:14
don't do anything to change the narrative and are still brushing women off like and
30:18
I would say eighty five percent of the clients that come to work with me,
30:21
it may be higher now have had the same thing. And now they
30:23
don't all have stage four cancer, but they've got real issues and they've got
30:26
real things going on with their body. Where it's like I'm coming to you
30:30
telling you that I have symptoms and I don't feel good, but you're telling
30:34
that everything's fine, and you don't have the wherewithal or to look deeper,
30:38
to dig deeper on it. It just it blows my mind. It blows
30:41
my mind like nobody's business. And in fact, there was an episode.
30:45
I want to say it's episode twenty five, but I'm not one hundred percent
30:48
sure. I don't remember, but I spoke to a litigator his name's Adams
30:52
later and he was an attorney and well he's still an attorney, but he
30:56
was an attorney on a Netflix documentary called The Bleeding Edge, and it was
31:02
all about medical device and all of just the absolute batshit stuff that the medical
31:07
device community has done, or the doctors and more marketing, and I'm in
31:11
it, and it kind of barked me out about the whole entire thing about
31:15
marketing and how we're involved in a lot of the problems with patients. And
31:18
I didn't even connect marketing with malpractice in any way, shape or form,
31:26
And that my whole world shifted when I watched this documentary. So I reached
31:30
out to this dude, but he was talking about just this topic about how
31:33
you're like, how is it possible? I came in here and I told
31:37
you I had all of these symptoms, and what he said one of the
31:41
things he said in the episode that was so like whoa. He said,
31:47
of all the litigation that I've done, Obviously I'm just this is not verbatim,
31:51
but of all the litigation that he had done, women gynecologists were the
31:56
worst contributor to the women's issues because the women, I know. It's totally
32:02
worth a watch of the documentary and be worth a listen to the episode because
32:06
it's apt for when well it's for women and men. It is eye opening,
32:09
beyond beyond eye opening. And it was about how women doctors actually treat
32:15
their women patients worse than mail doctors treat their women patient and it was like
32:21
what. And then I got back and I kind of thought about some of
32:23
the women doctors that I've worked with and kind of going huh, because they're
32:30
like, well, I have a vagina and I've never experienced that I had
32:32
the same thing happened to me and I didn't have it, So I don't
32:36
know what the Yeah, you're not right, you're dreaming this up. I
32:38
mean, it was. It's just unbelievable because we're not being treated as a
32:43
separate human being from everybody else, and it's driving me crazy. And I
32:45
don't know when that's going to change or how we can help change it outside
32:50
of having conversations like we're having right now and sharing them with everybody that we
32:53
know, right because we are in charge of our body. Nobody else is
32:58
If you don't decide to make the choy is to say, I am going
33:00
to fix this or fix that or whatever, and I'm going to do the
33:02
research and I'm going to do the right thing. And I'm not going to
33:07
be swayed by marketing and I'm not going to be swayed by this next How
33:09
many pamphlets have we been handed? Guys? How many samples of a pill
33:14
that this doctor knows absolutely nothing about? Do they hand you the little sleeve
33:19
to test it out for a while? We are the guinea pigs and they're
33:22
all making money on it. And I'm sorry, I'm getting on a soapbox.
33:25
I mean, I'm with you, I'm with you. I'm sad,
33:28
I'm getting sad. I'm with you, I'm with you. Well, it
33:31
drives me crazy that we I had an interview with a gal the other day.
33:37
We were talking about this how Western medicine like we've we've kind of separated
33:40
the mind and the body right in that sense. Yeah, I feel like
33:43
this is t meetical gaslighting. It's the same too, where it's like we've
33:45
we're especially women, like we're being taught in condition to question our intuition.
33:51
Where it's like, and this is a disconnection from ourselves, like our intuition.
33:54
And for years, for centuries, that's what people went off of,
33:58
was Okay, something feels off intuition. The summ me some things also,
34:00
I should listen to it. But but the Western model doesn't like that part
34:05
blows a mind too, And so now we're separating ourselves from ourselves our intuition.
34:10
And then the mind body separation piece gets me too. It's like because
34:14
that's the other piece that we're not connecting, Like because I have clients of
34:15
country are like my doctor, one of my former clients messagement Instagram every day
34:20
to tell me the story. She was like, I was still dealing with
34:22
some symptoms and kind of managing. The doctor didn't ask her anything about her
34:25
stress levels, nothing about her environment, nothing about her diet, nothing,
34:30
nothing. There's no questions on any of that. No, So, like,
34:34
how are we leaving that piece out and the mental health piece out of
34:37
the conversation. I just I don't I don't understand that, and I do
34:40
think I mean it's conversations, but I think the whole it's all about money,
34:45
right, I mean, in this country, it's all about it's the
34:45
pharmastical companies running the show here, So it's all about where to make money.
34:50
I mean it has to be a complete overhaul, either complete overhol of
34:52
the system, where it has to be something to come along to revamp how
34:57
we're doing the functional piece, like what we're talking about with these lads so
35:00
expensive, like how to make that work accessible for people to be able to
35:02
take that round? And I hate that word alternative methods because it's not alternatives,
35:07
like this is traditional methods. Back at a woman woman who does tritional
35:12
Chinese medicine care my show, and I'm like, where are we calling this
35:14
alternative? Like people did this for thousands of years before we ever came up
35:16
with westerns. Ya Fyi, America was like the last place that happened.
35:22
Okay, so we are the worst. That's so true. Let's talk really
35:30
quick before we jam about what you do with your hopeful and wholesome business that
35:36
you have even financy a brand new website and is like fucking awesome. It
35:40
is hopeful and wholesome dot com and we'll all put all her socials and stuff
35:46
in show notes. But can you just give a quick little overview of what
35:49
you do and any last remarks that you have for a listener. Yeah,
35:52
yeah, So, I mean basically every day we've talked about here. I
35:53
mean, I connect the body. We do I do functional lambs and do
35:57
the emotional, spiritual, energetic kealing. I tell you human disine, we
36:00
do emotional release. I'm tying all the things in to help you heal,
36:02
get to the root, cause heal from the inside out a podcast. Want
36:07
to check that out for more, just inside on all of that that I
36:10
was just talking about. And yeah, I mean I think my party words
36:13
kind of goes back to what we've been talking about is just really taking the
36:17
time to tune into your intuition and listen, listen to your intuition, and
36:22
don't doubt your intuition. And if if your body and your intuition is telling
36:25
you that something is off, something is not right, something is out of
36:28
balance, then like fine, somebody who will listen to take that to heart
36:32
and really get to the bottom of it and never question what your intuition is
36:36
telling you. I love that. And like I've said many times before,
36:37
you go with your gut. You know that that line is like a legit
36:42
thing. As if you go with your gut, then your gut's pretty right
36:45
all the time. Guys, don't push it down, don't ignore it,
36:49
think about it, you know, and if somebody's not listening to you,
36:52
just walk out the door and say, you know what, you're not listening
36:53
to me above bye, and then you go to the next person. Because
36:57
I've done it. Yeah, I've walked into lobbies and walked out of doctor's
37:00
offices, and of course, because everybody knows how wonderfully obnoxious I can be,
37:05
I've walked into lobbies and then like, get out of here, just
37:07
get out, and then I walk out the door. Yeah, people love
37:10
me in places like that. In circumstances, Hey, you have agency to
37:15
do that, though, Well that's it, you have to. I mean,
37:17
who else is going to do it? Like you said, I mean,
37:21
oh my god, Well, I've given pain purpose, you know,
37:23
And I mean that's really what it came down to. And some days it's
37:27
really fun to give pain purpose and others it's not. But I still do
37:30
it. And that's just it's awesome, and it's so wonderful to me people
37:32
like you that are like minded and believe the same place in the same you
37:37
know, approach to care for our bodies and that we're not just you know,
37:42
oh my elbow hurts or whatever. There's there's other things that can be
37:45
going on in our lives, you know. So yeah, go with your
37:47
gut and give hope a hopeful and wholesome call or dmor or whatever. So
37:53
I'll put everything in show notes and on social win our episode launches. Of
37:57
course, thank you so much for your time with me today. I really
38:00
appreciate it that it's been a plushure. I was looking forward to us.
38:04
I just want to die. I love talking to you. Thank you.
38:08
Yeah, and I'd like forward to doing our episode together too, So you
38:12
guys stay tuned for both of those puppies. Sure you are exclusively invited to
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