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IFH 870: He Waited 11 YEARS to Make His Movie—Then Jimmy Kimmel Changed Everything with Don Barris · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 4: Joining me today is a man I've wanted to talk
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  Speaker 4: to since two thousand and four. Me today is Don Barris.
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  Speaker 4: Donna is one third of the comedy trio The Big Three.
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  Speaker 4: Don started and produce and one of the best movies
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  Speaker 4: and comedies of all time, Wendy CD Heat, which is
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  Speaker 4: actually one of the most elaborate pranks ever pulled, but
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  Speaker 4: we'll get into that later in the show. Donna is
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  Speaker 4: currently the audience warm up for The Jimmy Kimmellive and
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  Speaker 4: he hosts The Ding Dong Show, the longest running show
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  Speaker 4: at the world famous comedy Store, every Monday night at
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  Speaker 4: ten pm. And if that wasn't enough, Don hosts his
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  Speaker 4: own podcast, Simply Don the Podcast. We're also joined by
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  Speaker 4: his very lovely and talented producer of the Simply Don
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  Speaker 4: in the podcast, Mary Jane. Don and Mary Jane. Welcome
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  Speaker 4: to the Dave Blis Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Dave. Hello, that's Mary Jane. That's not me, the
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  Speaker 3: two people that I don't know if you notice, Oh
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  Speaker 3: I Dave, you say you wanted to talk to me
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  Speaker 3: since two thousand and four. Yes, you didn't see the
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  Speaker 3: Wendy City Heat when it first came out.
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  Speaker 4: Then I saw it one night randomly and I saw it.
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  Speaker 4: It started right when Perry knocked over the table, and
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  Speaker 4: ever since then, I was like, what is this? And
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  Speaker 4: I started watching it and man, oh man, I was
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  Speaker 4: laughing my ass off, and I was tracking down a
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  Speaker 4: copy of that everywhere I could. So that's when I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to talk to you. Since then, Don, Oh, Well,
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  Speaker 4: whatever you'd like to know, please, So, Don, I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to ask you. You know, I want to ask you about
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  Speaker 4: your background. You know, how did you get started in
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  Speaker 4: the film industry.
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  Speaker 3: In the film industry, well, it was kind of different
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  Speaker 3: than the film industry because I've always felt, especially now,
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  Speaker 3: I think that people live in a day and age
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  Speaker 3: where you don't have to wait for someone to just
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  Speaker 3: pull you out, because that doesn't happen much. I started
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  Speaker 3: doing stand up comedy, and I've been a regular at
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  Speaker 3: the Comedy Store and now for about the last four years,
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  Speaker 3: except for a couple of weeks here and there when
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  Speaker 3: I worked elsewhere. I've been a closing act at the
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  Speaker 3: Comedy Store every night. And so he's doing stand up comedy,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, well, this isn't working very well. This
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  Speaker 3: is one of those things that nobody's coming over to
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  Speaker 3: see me, pick me out, put me in a movie,
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  Speaker 3: to do whatever. So I thought, well, I'll make my
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  Speaker 3: own break. And one of the things that I saw
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  Speaker 3: at the time, the main thing that I did was
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  Speaker 3: host the comedy store potluck every week. And the Comedy
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  Speaker 3: Store Potluck is just like new comics. Guys trying to
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  Speaker 3: get into the arena of doing stand up comedy. And
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you something it's very hard, and there are
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  Speaker 3: people that go there and they will go out and
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  Speaker 3: try to go to all these potluck shows all over
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  Speaker 3: town and they'll do it for twenty years and never
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  Speaker 3: get any money out of it. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a sad thing, but it's a little group. And I
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  Speaker 3: used to host the comedy stores potluck night and I
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  Speaker 3: showcased with the owner of Midzie's Shore, so she'd showcased
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  Speaker 3: acts and all that, and I got to watch her.
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  Speaker 3: And the one thing that I noticed, the bigger laughs
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  Speaker 3: didn't come from the people that were somewhat good, that
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  Speaker 3: had just started out. The big laughs came from the
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  Speaker 3: guys that are out of their mind and just these characters.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought I'd put a show together, and that
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  Speaker 3: show it was originally called Simply don And what I
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  Speaker 3: did is I took some of the more colorful acts
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  Speaker 3: that I saw around the comedy store and I put
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  Speaker 3: them together in one show, and then I had Mole
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  Speaker 3: come and play a character in it. Well, we worked
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  Speaker 3: on that for seven years, so it took a long
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  Speaker 3: time before anybody really noticed. Oh, and that person had
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  Speaker 3: noticed was Jimmy Kimmel. He wanted to do something with us,
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  Speaker 3: and at the time he had just gotten the show
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  Speaker 3: win Benstein's money. I knew him a little bit from
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  Speaker 3: working in the morning show out here in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: at k Rock, and so I didn't know him that well,
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  Speaker 3: but he said, I want to make a movie out
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  Speaker 3: of this. About four years later we got it done,
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  Speaker 3: and it's kind of cool because a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: really loved it. So and in that movie is go ahead,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: And that movie is when do you see the heat
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  Speaker 4: cracked on? I'm sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, you're not interrupted me. I just, you know, whenever.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought i'd give you a quick background. So
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  Speaker 3: that's where I got into it. I didn't start out
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  Speaker 3: wanting to make a movie. I just wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: something else, and we made that film.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and that movie has become such a cult
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  Speaker 4: classic as well. I'm always interested in hearing about these stories,
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  Speaker 4: don which is why I asked you about your background,
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  Speaker 4: because I know because you grew up in Michigan and
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  Speaker 4: Sagonell Township, and so what was the impetus for you
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  Speaker 4: to move from Sagonall Township out to La Well.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you something. And if you look at a
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  Speaker 3: small town in the Midwest. I was always a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different as a guy that became my manager. Out here,
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  Speaker 3: he said, you've never lived under the rules, because as
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  Speaker 3: most comics do, they always are thinking outside the box
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  Speaker 3: and they sometimes struggle in school. And I know, I did.
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  Speaker 3: I know I was at school was very difficult for me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about college because I just couldn't conceptualize how
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  Speaker 3: to remember all this stuff that I didn't care about,
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  Speaker 3: and I was more into doing screwy things. I remember
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  Speaker 3: having a creative writing class and I got to just
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  Speaker 3: go into this crazy world. And in Michigan, people don't
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  Speaker 3: look at you kind of the same because as a
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  Speaker 3: comic that I knew once said, people look at someone
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  Speaker 3: trying to do stand up comedy is like somebody that
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  Speaker 3: goes to the moon and walks on the moon. They're
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  Speaker 3: both so far fetched for so many emission because not
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  Speaker 3: many people make it. It's such a far fetched tale
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  Speaker 3: that you know. And I just couldn't live under that
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  Speaker 3: type of situation where I was kind of an oddball.
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  Speaker 3: I used to think, my god, what am I? What
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  Speaker 3: is this all about? And out here, when I came
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  Speaker 3: to California made the big move. I realized, Wow, this
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  Speaker 3: is something where I fit in a little bit better.
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  Speaker 4: So and so, literally, don you just packed up and moved.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, was there any specific like incident that just
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  Speaker 4: caused you to say, you know what, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: bite the bullet, I'm moving out to la.
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  Speaker 3: Uh not really, I just I was looking looking for
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  Speaker 3: different things. I wasn't enjoying my life out there. There
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  Speaker 3: was you know, I was making money because they used
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  Speaker 3: to DJ in Michigan and I do like like fraternity
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  Speaker 3: parties and weddings and things like that. And I started
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  Speaker 3: a little business, so I was making money, but I
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  Speaker 3: just didn't like what I was doing. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm young enough, I'm gonna go out
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  Speaker 3: to California. I have no real commitments here. I'll go
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  Speaker 3: out there and just take a chance. And when I
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  Speaker 3: came out of here, I said, well, this is my
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  Speaker 3: last chance. No matter what, I will not quit. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean there were times like in the first year,
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  Speaker 3: I uh got into a little trouble with other comics
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  Speaker 3: because I was kind of a cocky guy. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: these older comics will established comics didn't like some young
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  Speaker 3: and cocky guy coming out there and saying I'm after you, man,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take your spots. People didn't like that. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't realize that it was two cocky. So there's a
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  Speaker 3: few times that, you know, I eventually got kicked out
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  Speaker 3: of the comedy store. I didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 3: I worked with the strip club, but I made a
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  Speaker 3: deal to myself that I would never take a job
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  Speaker 3: that didn't have a camera in my face or a
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  Speaker 3: microphone in my hand. So I actually got to the
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  Speaker 3: point where, like two separate times, I lived in my
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  Speaker 3: car for like period of over six months. But I said,
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  Speaker 3: there's no lay I'm going to give up, no way,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and everything that I've done is taken forever
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  Speaker 3: to do. It took eleven years to finally get the
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  Speaker 3: movie made, from when I started it until we finally
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  Speaker 3: made it eleven years. But I just said, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I sometimes think about it because when I
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  Speaker 3: first moved out here, I was still of that college
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  Speaker 3: high school way of judging time, like every four years,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you move on to the next step, and
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  Speaker 3: I would say, wow, somebody went they when first grade
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  Speaker 3: came out here. It took that maybe they graduated high
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  Speaker 3: school by the time I got it done, but they
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: were in first grade when I first came out here,
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  Speaker 3: first started the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, that's a really amazing story, Donnie,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, I think a lot of people hear about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, overnight successes. And I forget who actually said this,
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  Speaker 4: but this person said, there is no such thing as
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  Speaker 4: an overnight success because they don't because when people, you know,
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  Speaker 4: see overnight successes, quote unquote, they really don't see all
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  Speaker 4: the years and and and the struggles and everything they
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  Speaker 4: went through, and you know, to all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: either when it's selling a script or getting cast in
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  Speaker 4: a movie or stuff like that. I completely, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get where you're coming from about the whole time thing.
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  Speaker 4: Just I think a lot of people sort of sort
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  Speaker 4: of misconstrued that, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Oh, absolutely, And I think that if you want
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  Speaker 3: to take a gamble and do something like that, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to take you a long time. You know, even
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  Speaker 3: great comics takes them a long time to kind of
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  Speaker 3: under stand how to play the crowd, how to present yourself,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that anybody who ever wants it, who
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  Speaker 3: wants to come out and try and make in show
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  Speaker 3: business because in some parts of the country, and all
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia is, it's a much bigger city than I came from.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know how their view of things are.
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  Speaker 3: But for most people, it's such a far fetched dream
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  Speaker 3: to even try to get it and show a business.
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  Speaker 4: We mostly done. We mostly hate life in Philadelphia and
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  Speaker 4: hate everybody else too. So it's a lot of bleakness,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of uh, you know, we we worship fictitious
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  Speaker 4: sports athletes like Rockey back Boa, right.
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  Speaker 3: You buse Santa Claus. It shows your hatred towards mankind
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  Speaker 3: in an Eagles game, and so I understand a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of But it's it's a tough, tough gig, and
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  Speaker 3: anybody whoever wants to try to do it the best thing.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm still far from where I want
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  Speaker 3: to be, but I've never given up. We have. We
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  Speaker 3: completed an unbelievably funny pilot with the Big Three, and
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  Speaker 3: there's people that want to buy it. We were actually
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  Speaker 3: they wanted to give us money to make a pilot
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  Speaker 3: because so many times, you know, movies like that go Away.
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  Speaker 3: But thank god Jimmy Kimmel produced the whole thing, because
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  Speaker 3: all Jimmy used to he would constantly buy cases of
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  Speaker 3: the movie Windy City Heat, and anybody he thought would
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  Speaker 3: like it he turned on to by giving a copy
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  Speaker 3: made T shirts, would give people just anything. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so many huge celebrities came up, you know, to talk
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  Speaker 3: about how great the film was, why it was great,
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  Speaker 3: you know, arranging from Quentin Tarantino, who literally went out
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  Speaker 3: of his mind for it. But it was very good
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  Speaker 3: for me because at the time I was struggling. My
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  Speaker 3: claim to fame was doing The Road with Dice Clay,
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  Speaker 3: but because of this movie. You know, Jimmy Kimmel was
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  Speaker 3: the producer of it, and thank god he came around.
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  Speaker 3: And when we finally got it, he was nice enough
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  Speaker 3: to keep me working ever since he kind of met me.
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  Speaker 3: So he got me some he got me an audience
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  Speaker 3: warm up gig, and when Benstein's money, then that turned
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  Speaker 3: into four years of working on The Man Show, and
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  Speaker 3: then after that he got Jimmy Kimmel. Ave I've worked
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  Speaker 3: in an industry that if you work ten weeks a year,
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  Speaker 3: you're doing well. I'm working forty some weeks a year
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  Speaker 3: and on a TV show. So he's made you put
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  Speaker 3: me in a position financially, it's taken very good care
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  Speaker 3: of me. So it's a funny thing. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: all you have to do is have enough money out
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  Speaker 3: here to keep a roof over your head. If you
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  Speaker 3: can make ends meet somehow, you can then pursue whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want. And with that, you know, I realized what
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  Speaker 3: a lucky break I had, and in that lucky break,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure I didn't blow it. So
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  Speaker 3: I have three podcasts I've made. We finished a pilot
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  Speaker 3: that we've been trying to sell, which we could we
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  Speaker 3: just need one person to say, hey, go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: do it. So it's a very funny, funny business, and
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  Speaker 3: it takes a lot, and it takes a lot out
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 4: But I actually tweeted at Netflix one time because they
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: were actually going on that's when one of their buying binges,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: the old Canadian show Kenny VERSUSPENNI actually got all their
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: fans to tweet at Netflix, hey you should pick us
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: up for another season because they haven't been on the
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  Speaker 4: air in almost ten years. And I was actually tweeting
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  Speaker 4: at Netflix, like the Big Three is not only hilarious,
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  Speaker 4: but they already have a built in fan base, just
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  Speaker 4: like Kenny versus Penny. And the reason I tweeted them
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  Speaker 4: was I was actually applying for a job with them
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, to be like, it was something
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  Speaker 4: to do with creative content. So that was gonna be
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  Speaker 4: one of my proposals, by the way, was to pick
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  Speaker 4: up both those shows, because I mean, honestly, don I
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  Speaker 4: mean when you see the Heat Again, like I, like
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  Speaker 4: I said in the intro, is one of my favorite
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  Speaker 4: movies of all time. It's absolutely hilarious. And all these
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  Speaker 4: celebrities have heard about it too, you know, Dave Chappelle,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was into it. Quentin Tarantino, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: and didn't didn't Tarantino didn't he come by one of
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  Speaker 4: the Ding Dong Show performances one time.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't. He came by and saw the Ding Dong Show,
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  Speaker 3: but he was at the comedy story. He mainly saw
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  Speaker 3: my band and all that stuff, and I bring the
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  Speaker 3: I brought the cast on stage, and I was lucky
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  Speaker 3: enough to say that when he was there, he was
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  Speaker 3: pounding his fist on the table, laughing, and it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: my God, and a real quick story. Uh well, I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to think hospital you remember that House to movie?
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  Speaker 3: Who's the guy that directed that? Eli Roth? Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm still a kid from Sagon On, Michigan. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you don't see much about stars, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm anybody that's a star. I'm just in complete awwit.
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  Speaker 3: One night that Jimmy Kimmel he had on Eli Rock
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  Speaker 3: when they were promoting Hostile and he brought out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantina to help push it a little bit. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm the audience wore up for Kimmel. So I'm out
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  Speaker 3: there doing my thing and Jimmy came up and he says, hey,
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  Speaker 3: there's two guys that want to talk to you. And
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  Speaker 3: I walked behind Eli Roth and Quentin Tarantino, and he
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  Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino. This is what I walked in on. See.
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  Speaker 3: I told you come to Jimmy Killy, you're gonna meet
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  Speaker 3: down bears, you ask any questions about what you the heat,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean, I'm in like in awe. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: what the hell is happening? And then Mary Jane was
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  Speaker 3: with me one night.
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  Speaker 5: What was that you want me to tell the story.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, do you want to go ahead?
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: So Don and I went to release party, uh what
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: was for Adam Kroller's Boxer movie or no, the Construction movie,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: one of his movies around the time of the Hostel.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: And you know, when I go to these things with Don,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I just kind of like, you never know where you're
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: gonna go or where where your place is. You know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: you just kind of it's all in the busy to
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: do with it. And so I'm following Don. Don's you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: talking to his co workers and just whatever is happening.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: It's kind of unplanned, and all of a sudden, I'm
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: getting chased down because I'm behind Don by Eli Roth
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: just just to say hi and tell talk about all
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: this stuff. So then I'm I'm in the positions where
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not really sure what's going on, but Eli Rows
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: is just so excited about Windy City heat and Don
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: and what's going on and all that. So that that
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: was the fun little little experience I believe that would
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: look that the Arc Light Hollywood. So it was kind
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: of a weird little upper private bar type of release party.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Well that's absolutely amazing. That is that is so amazing
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: now that that that these people are chasing you down
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: to don Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something. It wasn't like, you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I wish he was chasing me down, say hey, once
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: you do something with me. He just you know, but
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: who knows. I mean, I you obviously know who Jack
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Black is. Yeah, Jack Black, Hannis do his comedy. He
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: has a yearly comedy comedy music.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sp
• 20:04
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• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the festival Supreme, Basketball Supreme, and this year he
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: was just you know, he was playing with us there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: He was gonna come up with us on stage, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: he had to be up with Amy Koehler. They had
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: something worked out because we're gonna be at the same time.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: But I mean, he is such a good guy and
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a fan of this and so we got to hang
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: out with him a little bit all around there, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: Just every time we do something and somebody else comes around,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: it's just like, my god, I'm just this guy from
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: sagan On township, Lichigan, and I did something that these
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: people like, very very cool.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I know we've been talking about the movie, So just
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: for the listeners who haven't heard of it, Whinnie see
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: the Heat was a film. It was produced by Jimmy Kimmel.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: It was released on Comedy Central, and then, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: it became a cult classic because, like you said, don
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you know, Jimmy would buy you know, the cases of DVDs.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: You know. I found it one night randomly on Comedy Central,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: and when the DVD first came out, I actually bought that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I made sure that I could find this, and now
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: whenever I see a DVD of it, I actually always
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: made sure to buy it, and then I usually just
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: give it out to somebody because I want them. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: like I've always said to people, I'm jealous of them
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: because they get to see it for the first time,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: they get to experience it for the first time. Yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: because see.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: You know, well said that exact thing. Do you know
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: who Gavin McGinnis is. Oh yeah, absolutely, He's a guy
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that started Fine Magazine. He said the same vice. Excuse me,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but that's exactly what he said that he gets envious
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: the people that are about to discover this. So those
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: words are pretty heavy and all that, but boy, thank
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you for saying that. Thank you for doing it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Oh my pleasure. Don I put the movie on for
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a group of people one time, and there was one
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: person who was a little hesitant because because he asked
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: me what it was, and I said, I don't want
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: to give too much away, so I'll tell you this.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: It's an elaborate prank on one guy. And he started
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to watch it and by the end he was like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I got to order my own copy off Amazon. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: have to order this movie. So, you know, just for
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: those who listen, we haven't heard of it yet, Wendy
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: City Heat is a movie within a movie that's a
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: prank on one of the other members of the Big Three,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Scary Perry Carara Marlow and and.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I thought it was Percy Caravelli.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, Percy, I'm sorry, Mary Jane's my Philly accident.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: What some people say Perry Caravello. I think I remember
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: him saying that that's how I like to pronounce. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: there are various ways of saying his name.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Or car Bell and the spelling is ka r.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Figure it out, Okay, okay, So go on with what
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you're saying about it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: He's the he's the king of Friday night comedy, so
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: he is the uh you know, uh one of the
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: other members of Big Three. And of course there's Walter Molmolninsky,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: So Don, Mol and Perry are the big three and
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: they go are and the movie opens with Don and
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and and Perry on the way to an audition. Uh,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: and you know, the whole movie is a movie. It's
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: it's almost like a real life Truman show, Don and
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: that that's that's another way I describe it, because you're big.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: It is just uh, you know, it's so well done.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's and again everyone listening. It's an elaborate
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: prank on Perry, so everyone else is in on it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: There's hidden cameras everywhere, and they explain that the cameras
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: you know, in his face are either a a movie
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: camera because they are you know, filming this, you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: foam movie, or b it's a behind the scenes type deal.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: And uh, it is absolutely brilliant from start to finish.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: And you know, I again, Dot, I know you probably
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: hear it here it a lot, but it is. It
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: is absolutely freaking hilarious. And I mean, I mean just
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: just you know, making the move, you know, making that
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to ask, you know, what was
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: you one of your favorite things to actually film about
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Wendy City heat that I want I'm yeah. You know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: what was one of your favorite things to film during
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Wendy City Heat.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something. You know, it's like, you
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: have one take to do this, and we thought of
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: some things to do and that's so we had some
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: kind of guys on it. But I think when things worked,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I think that you know, the the snack table, the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: you know, where mold knocks or Perry knocked over the table.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I think because that worked so well and you don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: know what's going to happen. I mean, this guy could like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: oh this is bullshit. He never did and I think
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: that's the amazing thing. And when you look at this,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: but by the time we did that movie, we we
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: had been doing it for eleven years, and we did
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of things, and we put a lot of
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: scenarios and they're they're all things that we have that
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: will eventually come out where people can see it. By
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the way, have you heard the podcast we did four
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: years of a Big three podcast.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I listened to every single episode.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Done good. Yeah, see that's I I you know, it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: unfortunate the movie doesn't really explain what a character he
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: really is, But you listen to four years of the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: podcast and you kind of even get a better idea. We,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: like I said, we put together a very cool made
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: a couple episodes that we wanted to sell IFC wanted
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: to give us, you know, a budget to create a
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: pilot for them, you know. Instead, I brought the money
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: in myself, and so we're just trying to sell that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we can. But it's it's a whole real world.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: When Jimmy Kimmel came to me, I knew that he
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: kind of understood when he came up with the thought,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: this is kind of like the opposite of Andy Kaufman,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: where in Andy Kaufman he was playing a trick on
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the world and he's stuck to it. In this, it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the opposite because in this everybody knows what's going to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: happen to Perry, just he doesn't. So it's like the
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: world is in a prank on one person.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: And you know you talked about the podcast. I view
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: the podcast as a sequel to Wendy City Heat. Yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: because yeah, because the reason is I and you actually
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: mentioned this yourself, is it actually builds upon Parry the character.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I mean literally some of the stuff that has come
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: out about Perry I mean, it is just it's almost
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: like one of those Russian nesting dolls, like you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: there's a bigger doll, and then you take that a
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: partner's another doll, and you just keep going down and
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: it's almost like you're trying to to dissect Perry to
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: It's like, what is the core of this guy? You know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: because because there's two things I'm always fascinating with done
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: and that is practical jokes and guys who live on
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: the fringe of society, and Perry is both wrapped into one,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and he's just such an interesting guy.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And oh, you know, if I could throw this in there,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: oh sure, absolutely, just seeing part comes in. But there's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that first times, while they're kind
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: of make the lead, world are on this poor son
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: of a bitch. Well, two things come up. And as
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I was saying, before I learned about the world of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: pot Luck comedy, people, they would do anything to be seen.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: They want fame. In the movie, Perry talks about he
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to be a movie star, he just wants
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: to be famous, and in that that's what he got
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: because that's all he cares about. He walks around and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: if somebody doesn't know the movie Windy City Heat right now, ouh,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: come on, everybody knows that movie. His ego is unbelievable.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: He's a racist, homophobic, pig, massogynistic. He's just an animal
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: to women. There's a girl that came back to town that
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: we've known for quite a while. All right here, well.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I'm not interrupting.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Go ahead and say something.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, No, I'll wait till after you got it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: So there's a girl that came to town that kind of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: did this before. She needed a arride places. She came
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: from Chicago and they went over to her house. He
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: went to the bathroom, came out with his pants off
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and a heart on. You can't not hate this person.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: So that is a classy move done.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Oh it's he at least lets him know what he's into.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: There's no question about that. So I think that we
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: can get away with it. In the aspect of putting
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: it together. He does game. He gains exactly what he wants,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: but he's a horrible person, has no friends whatsoever, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: any friend he gets he just automatically turns on. So
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: you know good.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: You know that was funny because when Facebook first came around,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I saw Perry was on there, and I legitimately don
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: dead serious. I sent him a very nice message and
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I just said how big of a fan I was
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: of Winni City Heat. I didn't tell him anything. I wasn't,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: you know, making fun of him or anything. I just said,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I'm a very big fan of Winni City Heat. You know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I said, you know, I really hope the best happens
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: of the Big Three.
• 29:54
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• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And he sent me back a Facebook message basically telling
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: me to go to hell, and I was a loser.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does that. And then he tried selling T shirts.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I think he got him for four bucks, and he
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: saw him for thirty five. And some guy sent him
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: a letter, Hey, you sent me the wrong shirt and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: it's way too small. His response that was tough shit.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe that was the guy ordered an extra
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: large and he sent him a medium. He felt that
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: that was the closest size he had, but.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: That's all he had left. And then this doesn't fit
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: me overpaying for a damn T shirt. And then he
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: goes through all that and tough shit. So he was
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a class act. And he learned to hate him immediately.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: There's the many people that will actually say, wow, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: felt sorry for this guy. Then he did this to me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I should feel sorry for him because number one, he
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: gets exactly what he wants out of it, exactly. I
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: granted his wish.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Can't tell him what happened the other day. Yes, so
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: just the other day, I'm minding my own business, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: haven't had contact with Perry since you know, the podcast
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: or the pilot or whatnot. And I look at my phone,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: private message from Perry calling me an unprofessional bitch. So
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I open up the message and I see that the
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: last communication I had with him was twenty twelve, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: it was I believe the time that Mole and Perry
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: surprised Dawn in one of the podcasts back in twenty twelve,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: and so Perry accidentally he saw the correspondence from twenty
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: twelve and thought it was yesterday or no, the day
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: before yesterday. And so the full message was I don't
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: want to have anything to do with you guys, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: then he called me an unprofessional bitch. And less than
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: a minute later he said, I'm sorry, that was an
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: old message, and that was it. Literally out of nowhere,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: just for no reason. You know.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I mean to add more freaking it to him. When
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: we made a series of stuff, and one of the
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: things that we went out there and dead was we
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: have all this stuff that we recorded with him, And
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: during one interview, he was talking about the fact he
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: got kicked off the school grounds because every day he
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: worked for his cousin's print shop and he would go
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and eat his lunch at this school so he could
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: watch the girls, and they eventually came up and they
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: told them, hey, you can't be here. He fought it,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and there's no way he thought it was wrong. That's bullshit,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: that's bullshit. I do nothing. I just eat my launch
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: hysteric girls. He is. He has no social etiquette at all.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Terrible person and just a complete out story.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Perry was like over thirty.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I imagine, you know, with the story Mary
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Jane told about him on Facebook, I imagine Perry just
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: sitting in that dust bowl apartment of his and just
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: on Facebook or Twitter constantly, just sort of stalking random people.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And that's how I sort of think he lives his life.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I'm pretty sure I was called an unprofessional
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: bitch because literally the night before he had gone out
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: with the fans and expoke himself to that woman. So
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: I think that in his mind he was like thinking
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: that he was gonna get in trouble or gonna get like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: oh boy, I did something I might they're gonna call
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: me on it. And so out of nowhere, he thinks
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: that I'm scolding him and replies to a message from
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: twenty twelve.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: That is that is classic Perry. And you know, to
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: go on to the you know you're talking about the
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: strong shirt size. I'm actually wearing a scary Perry skateboard
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: shirt right now. Wow, Because you know, like you said,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: don you kind of feel like you should throw him
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: a bone. I remember I actually ordered this shirt. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: was like, there is nowhere near anywhere what he charges
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: for it. It's actually one of my one of the
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: cheaper shirts that I actually have. I have shirts that
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: cost like half as much that amway much higher quality.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: And then I made the mistake don of trying to
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: buy one of his skateboards, and and the skateboard came
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: came in for Christmas this past Christmas fifteen. The board
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: was damaged and it wasn't signed at all, and I
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: had to call Perry's manager to get him, and he
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: just sent me some stickers. He's like, just use these
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: to cover up the damage, because Perry was gonna send
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: me an assigned eight by ten, but then he said,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and I quote, fuck him. He doesn't deserve anything.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Crustomer and his store is not that good. I'll
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: be the first to admit that. Oh he's just such
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: an egg, such a pig.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: And when when you hear of all these stories, it
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: just adds to to to Windy City heat, and it
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: adds to the podcast because like the layers in this guy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: and sometimes he just he he almost looks like a
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: shrunken Steven Sagal because he you know, he's got this
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: this weird trash bag leather jacket on. He's got like
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: he almost looks like Ben Franklin too in some point,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: and he's got this big, huge fanny pack on that
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: is it looks like a book bag that's strapped around
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: his waist, and it just you look at this guy
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: and you're like, is this guy for real? Like he
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: stands out like a sore thumb, even in like the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: even like the craziest districts.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: He kind of reminds me in a way of of like, well,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I would give him too much credit. I was gonna say,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like somebody like Tommy was So, somebody who's so oblivious.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: But I think Tommy was so is more talented than Perry.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely, absolutely?
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: You know so done? Is Is there any any talk
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: of of of you know, whennie Cee Heat maybe coming
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: out on Blu Ray or even on on on demand
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: or any time? Because I know there was a Netflix
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: a petition I started by the Big Three fans to
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: get it carried on Netflix, But I just know is
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: there anything else to go forward with it?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: I can answer that question basically with Windy City Heat.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Paramount owns it. So Paramount's the one that put it
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: on DVD. Paramounts the one that put it on Netflix.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I believe still instinct I mean the disc where you
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: send the disc only, not instint Q. And so, to
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: the best of my knowledge, parn would have to make
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: the decision to put it on Blu Ray and or
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: wherever else Windy City he could go. I don't think
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Don or even Jimmy really can do anything without Paramount
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: and their system of deciding what happens with their stuff.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably won't be released on blue ray, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of people right now are trying to sign petitions.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: He mentioned that gown and yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And so there's a group of people that are trying
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to do that. And it's funny because a while back
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: at the comics store, there's a guy that I know
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: that owns this big like this multi multi millionaires in
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Vegas and made his money from doing gambling magazines. Well,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: one night he was with the guy that was in
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: charge of deciding what went on Netflix, and so I
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: talked to him about that and he was like, yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I definitely I'll do that. You know, never did well.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I think that the Comedy Central has a deal with
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Paramount and wherever I've seen, you know, like, I don't
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: know if this is good to say, but that Kmart
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: and then whatever it turned into, they had all the
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Comedy Central shows on DVD for like a really good price.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: And I know that when it was happening, fans from
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: all over America were like, I just bought ten Wendy
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: City heats. I just bought you know, twenty, Like the
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: people were going in there and just buying as many
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: as humanly possible. And when I went to look, I
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: realized that it was literally all the Comedy Central ones
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: in a bulk package via Paramount, so it kind of
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Windy City Heats lumped in that that selling situation.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I saw some of them too, the I know exactly
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: what you told about too, Mary Jane, because I saw
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: a couple of those at the local big lots, And yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: that's why I would buy him too. And I would
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: that's where I was, you know, I would just try
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: to give him out, you know, I would buy him
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: wherever I could. They were like three or five dollars,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I would just hand them out because I know a
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: friend of mine, you know, he like I was telling
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Don when he saw it on or when I showed
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: on my copy, he actually went on Amazon and bought
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: that one. You know, everyone, I'm gonna link to a
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: show notes. But in the show notes, by the way,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: we you can actually purchase Whinny City Heat, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: whether it's the Amazon orherever. But honestly, this is one
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: of those movies where if I had made a list
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: of every every movie people should see before they die,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: when you see the Heat is definitely on there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Wow, Well, soon I'll tell you something. The only unfortunate thing. Yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I get that if but you know what you can
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: also I think they put it on YouTube. Look under
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Wendy City Heat. I think it's on YouTube. So if
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: somebody just wants to watch it.
• 40:01
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• 40:07
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• 40:11
  Speaker 3: You can get there. But I mean, you tell people
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: to listen to the podcast.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Oh yes, do you remember most recently on Simply Dawn
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: podcast Episode one actually was Harry and Mole with Don
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: But if you want to.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Listen to all those go to simply down the podcast
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: network dot com. We've got a few things out there.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: We do o the store where we're updating all this
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: stuff because there could be some things that are happening
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: even with the Big Three. So but it's the Big
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: three podcast. What is it?
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: The Big three podcast dot com?
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Podcast network?
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, simply down the podcast network store dot com.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: No network, Oh jeez, simply down on the podcastnetwork dot com.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: You go there and there's a few different things and
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: go to the store and all that kind of stuff.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: And I want to make to make sure to link
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: to all that in the show notes as well, even
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: to what Dom was saying with winn you see the
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: heat on YouTube? You know, I wanted to ask you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: don I know, I mean, time is flying by here,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: don I know you have to go soon. But you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I know you started your own podcast, which is simply
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: down the podcast. You know what was sort of your
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: impetus to start that? Because I know you know you
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: you you you ended the Big well, I'm sorry the
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Big Three Podcasts ended. But I mean, I know you
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: probably want to start your own podcast, but it was
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: there any real reason why you wanted to start your
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: own brand?
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Because I had seen what became of Joe Logan's network,
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: and I saw Adam Kroller and all those guys they
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: started when this thing of the podcast first happened.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: And they got huge, huge numbers because you know, they
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: were kind of known, and like, here was a way
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to listen to these guys that wasn't out there that much.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Now there's so many podcasts, it's really tough to get
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to share of the market. Who cares. When they started,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: there was nothing else. So all of these guys got
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: these huge numbers and they've kept them. And I got
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: a chance because the Big Three Podcasts was first on
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: ACE Broadcast, which is Adam Carolla and Redband started, who
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: work with Joe Rogan started Death Squad, and all the
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: people that came out of Death Squad, you know, they
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: have a podcast and they started getting huge numbers of
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: their own because they were part of the Death Squad network.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And the bottom line is it's the new way to
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: promote yourself. You can promote anything. You know. Joe Rogan's
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: almost got the perfect life because what he does is
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: like he does the and see Eton calls those matches.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: You know, he books it someplace in that town for
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: him to do stand up comedy. Tickets sell out in
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: minutes because he just goes on his podcast network and
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: he has so many people that listen on a daily basis.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: He just pushes it. And I realized that's the way
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: of the future. I mean, you have to get some
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: sort of market. And if you're doing show business stuff,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: because now we live in the day and age, you
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: can actually make your own pilot, you can make your
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: own series, and if it's set up right, you can
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: make money because you can have your own network and
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I you know, and that way, you don't have to
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: talk to anybody, You don't have to do anything. No
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: one has to select you. They still can if they
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: have a role in a movie for you. Oh yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: here's a guy, he'd be perfect for the guy Stan Boom.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: He's in the movie. But the rest your something, being
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: able to do stand up and doing all that kind
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: of crap. You can go out there and promote the
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: hell out of yourself and that's why you go on
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: on the podcasts. So I'm sorry.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Oh no, sorry, I didn't mean interrupt.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: J I'm sorry, don no, no, continue.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say I I agree with you,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you know, I mentally because you know that. That's something
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I found out too, is you know there is a
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: crowded podcast market, you know, now there's a crowded film uh,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you know, filmmaking market.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: And somebody sent me when I first started this podcast,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: somebody sent me an article called a thousand True Fans,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: and basically it was just about if you can cultivate
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a thousand true fans, you can make a career just
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: off those thousand fans. Whether it's setting up a Patreon,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: whether it's you know, like you said with Joe Rogan
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: and going to see stand up, whether it's a YouTube channel,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: if you can do it right, he said, you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: this whole thing is you could you could base an
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: entire career for one thousand fans.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it's almost like a pyramid scheme because it's like
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I'm doing your show. You know, I don't know what
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: kind of people listen to you, what happens, you know,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: but that's what you gotta do. You got to do
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: all these other shows. And so if you have a
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: market share it, let's say you have a thousand people
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: who listen every time that you put on a podcast
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: on those are probably a thousand people that don't know
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: who I am or most of your guests, and you
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: turn them onto that. Well, the more these podcasts you do,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the better. Like I said, Desk Squad, what I saw like, wow,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: this is how it's done. I saw Adam Carolla, this
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: is how it's done. And you watch those people, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I was close enough, you know, I knew the guy
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: that kind of was the top guy over with Adam
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Carolla guy. But the name of Donnie ms Raye. He
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: no longer is part of it, but he brought me
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: under the network, gave me a chance, and I just
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: kind of absorbed everything there. But I knew because of
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Redband what he was doing rudband is do you know Debine? Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: so those guys are very successful, you know, and they
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: make a lot of money, so on T shirts, they
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: make a lot of money, do it a lot of stuff.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: So I thought that, you know, all these podcasts can
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: do is help you. So now I officially have three
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: and you know ding Down Show, which isn't which was
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: kind of basically how Perry started my world because I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: had this kind of like it was our show with
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: like six seven eight comments that came on every time
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I'd have a show, and one of them was Perry.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: You know. I started that way, and so then I thought,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: well I can still do that. I can just have
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: it without Perry, and that Perry is separate show.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: And this kind of ties into with a question Don
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: from one of the fans. Basically they can imagine that Perry,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: that Perry is probably like insane to deal with. I'm
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: sure I can't get through the question Don without laughing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: So I'm sure.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: If you know Perry you can understand he is the
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: worst person and just has no matter what you do
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: for the guy, it's never enough. It's never enough. And
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I just wanted
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: to punch the fuck out of him. Steve. I don't
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: know if you usually, but I mean, he is such
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: a bad guy, and he does things that hurt him,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: but he does things. He now is to the point
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: where he knows if he wants to get me upset,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: he knows he can just like not do something the
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: day of the show, or come you know, tired, or
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: come in a bad mood. Oh, he's just such a
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: bad guy. So go on.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: It's uh because one of the one of the questions
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: was how does Don manage dealing with all of let's say,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: the quote unquote strong personalities between The Ding Dong Show
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: and Perry Caravello.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Who else I have this?
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I think it was Chris. I forget who it was
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: actually right.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Now, I it's Chris. That's a great question.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Oh it's Chris Durham. Sorry, it's Chris dorm So how
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: does the strong personality of The Ding Dong Show and
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Percy Caramelli dealing with the craziness has to be very tough.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: How does Don deal?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll be very honest with you, it's gotten to
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: the point now I can't And thank God for Mary
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Jane because she is now the goal between on everything.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how she does it because I
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: went through years, Mary Jane, how do you go through it?
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's in life. I put it this way,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: there's there's facts, and there's things that you can rely on,
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: and then there's those wild cards. And so you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: I know the end goal, and I know the the
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: you know, pieces of the structure that don't move, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: the rest just kind of can be thrown into a
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: blender and as long as everything the basics get covered,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: you know the rest and like with you know, with
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: with the Ding Dong cast, I do get get a
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: lot of crazy calls and crazy messages, and you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: once you get to know each personality, you can kind
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: of figure out what what their motivation is and and
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: ways to you know, shield them from things that would
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: be stressful in their life that wouldn't necessarily stress out,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: like if if you work in it in in any
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: other environment where you know, okay, this person likes this,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: but as a not person, you know, and you just
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: kind of like a manager would would mediate between you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: the tasks that need to be done and you know
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: what personalities or or job titles would would likely do
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: it best.
• 50:00
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• 50:06
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• 50:09
  Speaker 5: And with Perry, there really is no logic. You never
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: know how bad of an attitude he's going to have,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: or how much he's going to try to ruin the ultimate.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Goal he's I think the worst thing about Perry is
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: is eel is. I started to explain understands that if
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: he does this, it's going to piss me off, and
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: just to piss me off, he'll do that, and that
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: usually involves him not coming to a big show, you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: because there's so many times we had a public access
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: show is where I worked with Perry at the comedy store.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Then there were problems at the comedy store, so it
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: took Perry on this public access show. Because you always
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: have to have a carrot in front of Perry's face
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: that he's always chasing, and so he would purpose try
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: to ruin shows and it was a lot of yelling
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: and screaming till the last minute. It's it's torture. But
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: you know, people to say, well, you torture him, Oh yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: so I guess it's it's fair, you.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Know, Donna, as you know, getting close to closing, I
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: just want to toeld really quick story. I remember when
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: you guys are doing the Festival Supreme, Perry was on
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: one of your podcasts and I can't remember it was
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: it was a Big Three podcast or simply Dawn. But
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: he started to bad mouth Jack Black and he said
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: how shallow Owl sucks and he wanted a contract and
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: uh that that that that he was ripping you guys off.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: And uh again, Perry always says he's getting ripped off,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: to which I always find hilarious.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll tell you something interesting about that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: The main reason we did it is because I wanted
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: to get that sound bite because well, we went to
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: the Festival Supreme. I hear we're on the main stage,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: the same stage as dant Word. Are you familiar with
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: that band? Put Word? Yes, yeah, So I mean they're
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: a huge man, getting bigger and bigger. So I thought,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: oh my god, this we so many people that don't
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: know us in a way. Thank goodness. It was just
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of Big Three fans of that. But what
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: we did is, you know, you come out, you say
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: the same kind of phony stuff all today. I just
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: want to thank Jack Black for biting us down here,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: so Mold does that and then I said, Curry, you
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: can say and it goes up there. I just want
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: to think Jack Black, I ripped the mic from it,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: said well, you didn't say that on our podcast the
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: other day, and then we played that. Jack Black thought
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: that was the funniest thing ever. I saw him after that,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: he goes, it just killed me. And I do know
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: that we had the guys that worked the sound booths
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: and all that laughing, so it was beyond just getting
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: the audience to laugh. I think it was really kind
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: of like what the fuck is going on here type
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: of moments. So I was playing the story there.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I've never actually gotten to meet Perry, and that is
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: on my bucket list. I know, as we you know
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: all my experiences with them. But but but it's stuff
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: like that don where I just it's almost like it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: almost like this weird, odd celebrity that you're like, man,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: he could he could just like disappear at any moment.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I should try to meet him before he just dis vanishes.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: And uh, that's the way I kind of look at Perry.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I I I want to come out at some point
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: to just meet him. But again, like like Gavin once said,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: you're afraid you're gonna fuck it up, but you know what,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: you meet him, you're afraid you don't want to you
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: don't want to touch the magic, if you know what
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Well, Gavin pointed out a lot of things because Gavin
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: became the sand immediately and just just all he would
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: do is tell everybody like you, I'll tell you there's
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: more people because of people like you, guys that saw
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: it and then just told everybody that they knew. That's
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: the way this thing becomes somewhat popular. And that's the reason,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: you know, the movie came out in two thousand and three,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: and still instead of becoming small, it's becoming bigger and bigger,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: and the fan base is growing because when somebody turns
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: it on to somebody else they find it for the
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: first time. Then so it's I We still once in
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a while get big three podcasts. They get into the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: top two hundred of the uh iTunes, they get into
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: the top two hundred. And we haven't done a show
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: really since two thousand whatever, you know, years ago. You
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: know we now if we do anything, it's n simply
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: down the podcast. But back then, you know we're making
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: the top two hundred on shows that are just basically repeats.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: So pretty happy with that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's just a testament to how you know
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: how much traction you know, not only not only the movie,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: but like I said earlier, I always view the podcast
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: as a sequel to Windy City Heat because it just
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: adds all these layers to everything, and I mean just
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: you know. And then of course the ten dollars shoutouts
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: are always hilarious. I actually was able to send one
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: in one time, and what was your mine? Was? Under?
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I know it interrupt real quick.
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: Ten dollars shouts was where if someone sending ten dollars, uh,
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: they we would read their letter on the air, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: when it happened, a lot of the fans knew the
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: buttons to push on Perry, so you'd flip out and
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: get upset.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I think that's what everybody would do, just try to
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: outtop everybody else. So that's what the ten dollars shouted is.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Now pick up your story and what was yours?
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I know it's against the rules done, but I
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: used a fake name.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Oh really he'd be the first one.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, Uh, it's I want to gainst
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: the rules, and I tried to go for a long
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: game with with my letter, and uh, I Parry did.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Perry didn't take it the way I thought he would.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: But uh, but it was actually towards the end of
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: the podcast from where I actually sent it a letter,
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: and uh, I actually couldn't continue on which I was
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: trying to do. I was trying to sort of put
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: together this this kind of long joke on Perry, but
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: it didn't work out so well. But because he did again,
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: he didn't respond like I thought he was going to.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: But what was the letter?
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: The letter was about the Perry Caravello School of Acting
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: and was signed I think I think my name was
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Googie Anstler.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably miss mispronounced the name.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: It was the because it was a formerly the the
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Perry Carroll School of Acting formerly the Perry Caravella School
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: of Heating and air Conditioning Repair.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: See that's funny. You got the joke, And I'll tell
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you that if I screwed up the name I used to.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe one of the bad things is we would read
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: the letters on air. I should have at least looked
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: at it before we went on, but I would just
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: go out there and do it. So I would always
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: screw up names and things like that. So if I
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: messed up your name, I'm sorry.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Well I actually asked Perry to read the letter to
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: make it even funnier, but he was like Google assler,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: and he kind of he said, I thought he was
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: going to flip out, and you know, not know what
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: I was talking about, but he just sort of you know.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I think that was where the letter before was either
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: about his fake disability scheme or the incident with RC.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: So I can't remember, but I remember.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I think I would have to say even taking over
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: for the RC guy, which was a whole story that
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: people should be forced to try to find out on
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: their own. You can't tell everything, but I think that
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the fake disability thing kisses him off more than anything
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: else ever thrown at him, which is where he was
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: like when he was like a teenhitger. When he first
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: got his car, he had a car accident that put
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: him in a coma for a few days. So it
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: was a terrible car accident. But he, like most people,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: they need an excuse for failure, and his excuse is
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: because of his because of his accident that happened twenty
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: thirty years ago, and it's not that it's funny, but
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: everything in his life was taken to be funny. So
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: people started saying that it was a fake disability scam,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: and it would just set him off unlike anything else.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: So that's what you're talking about.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: There is there is so much, like I was saying before,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: there's so many layers to that, and it's just you know,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: we would need like ten podcasts to get through it all, but.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Jill wouldn't be able to do it, and all the
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: people that have been part of it just you know. Ah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: But yeah, So I by the way, I appreciate you
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: being on. It sounds like you're start to wrap up.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure that we could promote a
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: couple of things on here.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely excite. I know you have to go, Don,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to keep pressing you for time.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: So in closing, Don, is there anything else you know
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: you just want to put a periody of this sentence
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: or you know, is there any anything you were Mary
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Jane want to say just to sort of wrap everything.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Up, Well, why don't you ask a question? We'll see
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: if we can answer. You can ask any question you
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: want about the Ding Dong show, about Jimmy Kimmel, about
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Big Three, anything you'd like to talk about.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, I actually all right, I want to ask this
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: to you and Mary Jane. You know, we're honestly, I
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: don't want to sound like a guidance counselor, but where
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: do you see yourselves in five years? For both both
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: you and Mary Jane.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping because and Mary Jane may feel the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: same way. We put a lot of time into this
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: to try to build somewhat of a network because I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, I'm getting more people that help
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: me out, and money is around the corner. Now. We've
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: been offered money from bigger companies, so hopefully I can
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: start this little entertainment network that can have you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: because the Internet, believe it or not, not only is
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: it the wave of the future, but I think it's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: either a great way to promote or it's a great
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: way to have a show, you know. And if you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: can sit there and make all the clothes you want, Hey,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: let's shoot this. This sounds funny, and you can go
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: out there and make a little money. That's spectacular. All
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for is to make enough money to live,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: and we're getting close to that. You know, I'm lucky.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I have a job that I work all the time,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: that I basically work total of eight hours a week,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: and in that time it gives me the money to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: be able to do all the other projects. So now
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: let's hope all the other things start to click in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully in five years, I'm making a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: lot of money off things I'm creating myself.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: You know, don I honestly I think you are going
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: to get to that point, you know, like you said,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: with the internet, because you know, just with all the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: different avenues that are opening up. I actually was listening
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: to an investor friend of mine. He said in he
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: knows that about fifty to seventy percent of his income
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: in the next couple of years is going to come
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: from technology that that doesn't exist yet, right, But so,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: but that's because of the way things are going now.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of different avenues to approach things.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: And honestly, done, I think that's you know, I think
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: that's what sure what you were talking about.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Well, the great thing I'm in a position that I'm
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: around a lot of people that are in show business,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: so to be able to do shows and to do
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: if it becomes like videos, short videos, long videos, movies.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: I have an idea for a movie that I you know,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: a very bizarre movie that I wanted to do and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: just bring in all the people that I know in
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: comedy to do cameos and like we did a I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: guess I can't really say names, but we did the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: pilot for the Big Three, and they all kind of
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: worked for me for nothing but to get the quality
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: of talent, like I had about cast of about ten,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: and to get them to do something for you and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: pay them their normal free You're talking millions of dollars
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: and these guys are working for free for me, So
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I know that I'm doing something right. But Mary Jane,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: you never answered the question where do you see yourself?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: For five years?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: Well, when I started my journey in Hollywood, very quickly
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: I realized, and with given advice from from older successful people,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: that it's not just one thing. It is a lifetime
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: of work as an artist. And with all these projects
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: that we've discussed, and as of recently, I kind of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: finally felt what I was told in that you know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: and it goes along the the thing. If you love
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: what you do, you never really work a day in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: your life. And I feel I've finally gotten to a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: point where I really enjoy everything going on. So the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: only thing I can say is that in five years
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: from now, I wouldn't want to change anything except for
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: to get to be doing the same things I'm already
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: doing every day and every week, and you know, with
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: bigger and more spectacular things, but just on a more
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: comfortable level.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, wor, I think that what it becomes if you're paid,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: you're feeling good because there's nothing more fun than doing
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 9: art and doing things that are fun and having because
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: it is like playing It keeps you young at heart,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: and it's like playing goofing around as a kid, but
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: your goof around and your only goal is to have
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: some money come in for that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: I think. I think that's everybody's ultimate idea of getting
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: in show business.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, And I don't even think of it as
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: a like, oh, I have to have money, you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: to survive. It's more like to get the opportu tunity,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: the bigger budget you get to create on you know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: one project or another. It just lets the vision come
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: out brighter and more clearly.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Wow, that is a great way to put it, Donn
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: and Mary Jane, Uh, you know, and I think you're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: right too. I think when they're able, when when any
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: and when hey, any artist is able to actually do
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: their art and and get paid for it, whether they're
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: a painter or sculptor an actor, comedian, a writer, I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: think it just adds to it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: I think that that that's the dream, you know, when
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: you live in that dream and and like you said,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: don you know, with with Joe Rogan, now he's sort
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: of live in that dream life because you know, he's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: able to sort of have that synergetic effect where you know,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: the UFC feeds off his podcast, which feeds into his
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: stand up comedian a stand up comedy, uh, stand up
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: new comedy, excuse me, and then which feeds back into
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: the UFC. So it's sort of like this this network
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: that's just feeding one another. And you know, I think
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: that's sort of what a lot of artists now are
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: going for, you know, whether it's a Patreon or even
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: some some artists even get paid to tweet, you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: like a company will come by and sponsor them and say, hey,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: you know, five tweets a week or a month or whatever,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: and we'll pay you X amount of dollars. You know,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: even stuff like that, you know, tizing with all that
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: stuff we were talking about earlier, with all the revenues
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: and and just all the things that keep opening up
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: almost as you know, as technology advances, you know, every
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: you know, every day. Now it seems it just seems
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: like there's another avenue to approach.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And it's I'm I'm more happy about how
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: show business and how you can make money now than
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: when I first started, that's for sure. There's so many avenues.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: There's so many ways to do it. And you know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and you know, you know harding is to get guests
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: to come on your show. Well it becomes hard to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: get guests. But now I'm starting to do you know,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: hamlet bars. Do you know what that is?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry, I don't.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: In the seventies, she was like the most famous groupie
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: there was.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 10: You know, they say they base part of the character
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 10: for that almost famous movie, you know, on this woman.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: I mean she she has a list of people that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: she had sex with, from Mick Jagger, Robert Plant to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: Woody Allen. She had affairs and long affairs with a
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: lot of these people. From when I understand Robert Plant
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 10: still comes to see her when he's in Los Angeles.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: So I mean there's some interest there. And I'm to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: the point now I'm gonna start interviewing people like that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: just to get things going. But it is hard to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: get guessed, especially when there's no money or anything like that.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: But I just I believe so much that this is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: the future and this is what you have to have.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm nobody makes money. At first, I'll tell you,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: it is an interesting thing to do. And it's when
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: you said that you wanted me to do this, and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: you wanted me by saying that you wanted me to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: be your hundred guest, I was very happy to do that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: You know. I'm happy that we touched somebody, and I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: have no problem talking to you about it. I hope
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: that I was pretty good with you. I didn't do
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of things, had the funny funny bits, but
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that I hope that was okay for you.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: I hope Mary Jane was okay.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely. You know I wanted this to be you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I mean honestly, you know, each show that I do
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: here is different. But I wanted this to be I know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: you know obviously that you have the Big Three fan base.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: I wanted sort of this to be like sort of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: an add on. It's sort of like, as I said before,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: another you know, peeling back another layer and and sort
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: of seeing you know, the Don Barris story and hearing
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: you know, what Mary Jane is going through to you know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: just just about being a working artist here, stuff like that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: And you know, honestly, obviously we talked about Perry, but
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: I honestly done. I think that's gonna I think Perry
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: is gonna follow you, uh until until the until like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: the end of time.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I think I think I'm the only one that's fucking
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: up his life. I am the worst person ever there's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: people have taken Perry and they try to do their
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: own little thing with Perry, which usually is terrible for us.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 11: But you know, but he is, uh, He's gonna be
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: around unless I can get something else from him. That's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 11: what I'm trying to do, just so he can make
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: some money off websites and things like that.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to help him. But I gotta get
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the fuck away from this guy because he's a terrible person,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: you know. And if you ever want to have me
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: on again, man, we're talking about the ding Donk showing
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: other stuff going on.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely done. You know, I would love to have you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: married Jane back on some time.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: All right, very cool. Can we set up a few
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: things before we go? Oh?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely feel free to uh you know where people
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: find you out online and if there's anything else you
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: want to talk about, please feel free.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, on myself Twitter if you ever want
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: to follow me, because it is a numbers games, so
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: the more Twitter followers the better. If you want to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: get in touch with me, I'm simply don one. That's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: the number one. Ray Jane is hey.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: With a circle s m ok I n G m
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: I R y Jan.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: There you go. We have we have the ding Dong Show,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: which is we haven't put it up online yet, but
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: we have about one hundred shows. We're gonna put up
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: the ding Dong Show and I'd like to get people
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: to start looking at that. But you can on Monday
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: night because we have the ding Dong show. We've taken that.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: We're making a pod cast of all the live shows
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: from the Comedy Store, but we have a right now.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: It goes live and Marry Jane. How could they watch
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: the Dingos some Monday nights every Monday.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: If you're gonna come to Hollywood at the Comedy Store,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: it's ten pm. But if you're elsewhere and can't come
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: in person, you can watch on YouTube live stream and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: the channel to find is the The Dingong Show. Yes,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: that is two pgs. So the The Dingong Show at
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: ten thirty pm California Standard Pacific whatever time.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that. I'm at Facebook at Don Barras. What
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: else do I have out there? Oh? Instagram, I do
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of I just got a great video the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: other day. It was very around Sunset Boulevard and I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: how it's read. It's about three three thirty in the morning.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'm taking somebody home in the middle of Sunset Boulevard.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Came to the sky with nothing but shoes, a helmet
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: and a skateboard and because ly naked. No it wasn't Parry.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: But I put this vine video up, which is at
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Don Barris is my vine. I put that up and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: it was a guy completely naked skateboarding at three thirty
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: in the morning, and so everybody said, oh, I see
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Perry sold another skateboard there, so that was they always
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: tied it into prairiy. But all he did was kind
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: of coming to fuck off and then threw a skateboard
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: at me. But I enjoy doing that, so Instagram, I'm
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: a simply down one two. So that's do that. But
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: it was very fun being on the show with you,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Dave if you're a very good guy, and thank you
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: for pushing the Big Three. It's guys like you that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: made it more popular.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Oh it's you know, my pleasure, don I actually also everyone,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: just before we wrap up, I want to mention I've
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  Speaker 4: actually been working on a comic book of sorts actually
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  Speaker 4: about Perry, a Scary Perry Christmas and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I usually put that up in the Big
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  Speaker 4: Three fan Club, and I want to, you know, offline,
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you dot about if it
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  Speaker 4: will be okay if I actually put it up on
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  Speaker 4: my site again, it would be free. It would just
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  Speaker 4: be you know, I just want to make sure it's
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  Speaker 4: okay with you.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, why not?
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  Speaker 4: So the way people can download it as like a
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  Speaker 4: PDF or looks like one of two other files because
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  Speaker 4: people sometimes ask me to put up in other file extensions,
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  Speaker 4: so I want to actually put that up there. Again,
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  Speaker 4: it's one hundred percent free. I'm not crowdfunding anything. So
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  Speaker 4: an issue for is about to drop down. I think
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna really like Issue For. It actually goes all
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  Speaker 4: into uh Perry's supposed car crash.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa, that'll be see. I've heard about it so long,
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  Speaker 3: but to see it'll be great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think we really get to the bottom
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  Speaker 4: of this whole car crash thing. That's Don and Mary Jane.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say thank you so so much for
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  Speaker 4: coming on.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Dave, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Again. Anytime you guys want to come back on, please
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  Speaker 4: it's the door's always open. And I honestly I want
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  Speaker 4: to look forward to seeing what both you and coming
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  Speaker 4: up with. You know, I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: interesting things that are going to be coming out from
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  Speaker 4: you two in the next couple of years and very
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  Speaker 4: soon actually not just the next couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much, fun being here, Thank you
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  Speaker 3: very very much.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my pleasure, and I wish you guys the best
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  Speaker 4: of luck and have a good night. All right, bye
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  Speaker 4: out take care, goodbye.
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