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'Dentist to the Stars' strangles mom dead? Serial killer copycats Stephen King horror story? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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  Speaker 1: Channel one two. Let me juxtapose two images in your mind.
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  Speaker 1: One of a grandmother in her home, kept pristinely, everything
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  Speaker 1: in place, being attacked and strangled dead. Now imagine this,
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  Speaker 1: You know that moment when they're putting a needle in
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  Speaker 1: your mouth and they're novacating you for some procedure, or
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  Speaker 1: they put a little little gas mask on you and
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  Speaker 1: you pass out and you wake up and all the
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  Speaker 1: dental surgery is done. Well, imagining that guy a hovering
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  Speaker 1: around you with the needle in his hand. The dentist
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  Speaker 1: just gets charged from murder. Now what do those two
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  Speaker 1: things have to do with each other? I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: A sixty seven year old grandmother. It's found dead in
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  Speaker 1: her own home, a very beautiful mansion in Beverly Hills,
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  Speaker 1: and now, out of the blue, the dentist to the stars,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Yukobe, arrested charged with the grandma's murder. Ps he's
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  Speaker 1: also her son. To Pam for Crime Stories, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: joining us, Let's just start at the beginning. Why the
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  Speaker 1: police come to the victim's home to start with, Well, sure, Um,
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  Speaker 1: the daughter and the dentist brother and sister had not
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  Speaker 1: heard from their mother. The two of them, Daniel Yakobi
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  Speaker 1: and the sister go over to the home because they
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  Speaker 1: hadn't heard from their mother. They kept trying to call,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get in touch with her. They go to their
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  Speaker 1: mother's home violent and they find her there unconscious and unresponsive,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when her daughter called nine one one. First
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  Speaker 1: responders arrive. She's pronounced dead right there at her home.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, police say that she was probably dead
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours before they even arrived. And at that
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  Speaker 1: point police, yeah, they and then they get suspicious of
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  Speaker 1: the cause of death. Things did not add up, and
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  Speaker 1: that's when the investigation started. Well, I'm curious, uh, Pamela
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  Speaker 1: for Crime Stories investigative reporter. Could they not tell at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning that it was a manual or licatur's triangulation
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  Speaker 1: or was it asphyxiation such as Um putting a pillow
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  Speaker 1: over her head? Do we know the co d cause
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  Speaker 1: of death? Believe they are ruling this strangulation at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And so at that point they started looking at everything
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  Speaker 1: in the house and according to police, they got their uh,
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  Speaker 1: electronic devices, computers. Whatever evidence they found, which they have
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  Speaker 1: not released at this time, led them to believe that
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  Speaker 1: it was Daniel that actually strangled his mother. You know,
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  Speaker 1: let's just talk for a moment about the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining me, forensics expert. She and I have
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  Speaker 1: had the occasion to do several scientific experiments together, also
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  Speaker 1: with me renowned defense attorney out of the California jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, Hey, Troy, before I go to Karen Smith,
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  Speaker 1: if in fact he did at the so called Dentists
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  Speaker 1: to the Stars, Um, how cool of a cucumber must
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  Speaker 1: he be to wait the twenty four hours knowing his
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  Speaker 1: mother is dead, His mother, his flesh and blood, is dead,
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  Speaker 1: murdered in her home, and he waits while everybody pretends,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he pretends to call her and check on her,
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  Speaker 1: and the sisters calling and checking on mom, and then
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  Speaker 1: he goes with the sister over there and what there's
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  Speaker 1: momm He's dead, buddy. I'm so surprised, Troy. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to give an Academy Award winning performance then, because
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  Speaker 1: nobody knows you better than your mom and dad or
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  Speaker 1: your sister and so he's gonna have to put on
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  Speaker 1: a performance more than when you snuck into the your
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  Speaker 1: your parents present supply during Christmas and had to pretend
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  Speaker 1: like you didn't know what you were getting that next morning.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny you said that, Troy, because
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  Speaker 1: I can look at my brother, I can look at
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  Speaker 1: him antil when he's lying, exactly, Okay, my sister. My
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  Speaker 1: sister never lies, Okay, so I don't have to tell
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  Speaker 1: whether she's lying or not. My brother can totally pull
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  Speaker 1: when over you. But he gets his funny look, and
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  Speaker 1: it's in the eyes. I can't it's the way he
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  Speaker 1: looks at you when he's trying to tell you a lie. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And I can do the same thing with John, David
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  Speaker 1: and Lucy. It's just a subtle thing. Now. I always
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  Speaker 1: tell my husband I know he's lying because his lips
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  Speaker 1: are moving. Yeah, it really makes him mad. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's just a joke, okay, because I know his sisters
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  Speaker 1: listening right now, and she'll totally wrap me out. But
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  Speaker 1: the children will. They just have a certain look on
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  Speaker 1: their face. So you're totally right, Troy Slaton. His sister
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  Speaker 1: was with him when they go into the home and
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  Speaker 1: find their mom dad. So for him to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: he is surprised that he didn't know this, he would
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  Speaker 1: have to put on such an incredible performance that he
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  Speaker 1: would have to trick the person that has known him
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  Speaker 1: his entire life, who is able to smell bs when
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  Speaker 1: it's coming out of her own brother. We'll catch this.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, Troy, listen to this. After his mom's death,
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  Speaker 1: ye Kobe takes to social media, calling her quote an
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  Speaker 1: amazing mother and truthfully saying not a day goes by
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't think of her and how he killed her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, sorry, he didn't add that on the end,
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  Speaker 1: how he thinks of her every single day. And according
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  Speaker 1: to police, that's a pretty chilling statement because they believe
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  Speaker 1: firmly he is the one that murdered his own mother
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  Speaker 1: for money. I mean, for one thing, Troy Slayton, she
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  Speaker 1: had quite the crib. It was a posh seven million
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  Speaker 1: dollar Beverly Hills mansion. I mean, Troy, that's your neck
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  Speaker 1: of the woods. Can you even have a home in
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills for less than a million dollars? Not really,
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  Speaker 1: but those would be chilling statements. When he took to
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  Speaker 1: social media and was praising his mother. Those would be
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  Speaker 1: chilling and less. He's innocent unless he really did mourn
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  Speaker 1: her loss. Unless he really is the wrong guy. Because
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  Speaker 1: it took a allegedly a high tech unit of the
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Police Department and working with others to try
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  Speaker 1: and piece together and electronic footprint and to put together
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  Speaker 1: a financial motive for this crime, this may not have
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  Speaker 1: been him. Straight to Karen Smith. Karen Smith joining us
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  Speaker 1: from the Florida jurisdiction UH known across the country as
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  Speaker 1: an expert influences. Let's talk about the crime, saying here
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  Speaker 1: and what strikes you? A lot of things struck me, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when I read this, my
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  Speaker 1: little forensic brain spun. We're gonna deal with the physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence first, and that's the body. You talked about strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: Are we dealing with a ligature? Are we dealing with
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  Speaker 1: manual strangulation? Um? Was there a handprint on her neck
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  Speaker 1: that leads me to d n A not necessarily DNA
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  Speaker 1: from her skin, but if there were DNA under her
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  Speaker 1: nails from a struggle, and it comes back to Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Ka Kobe, He's going to have to explain that you're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with evidence on her body, like lividity, the blood
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  Speaker 1: pooling when blood settles after death. Was she moved that's
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  Speaker 1: a big indicator. Did uh he moved the body after
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  Speaker 1: she had passed away? And there's also something called patiki i,
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  Speaker 1: which is small little blood vessels around the eye and
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  Speaker 1: in the sclera of the eye that burst during strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: Those are telltale signs for the corner and for investigators
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  Speaker 1: to know that this was a wrongful death. It wasn't natural.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the scene. It's a mansion, it's a seven
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  Speaker 1: million dollar mansion. I'm assuming there's an alarm system. Um,
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  Speaker 1: was it disabled? Did somebody have the code? Was it
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  Speaker 1: reset at some point? Who has the code? And who
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  Speaker 1: turned it off and went? Where there signs the forced entry?
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  Speaker 1: If not, that's a huge clue for investor gators. You're
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  Speaker 1: talking with digital evidence, computer searches. Was he dumb enough
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  Speaker 1: to search for strangulation or asphyxiation? Um? Did he go
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  Speaker 1: in and do something as innocuous is looking at the
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  Speaker 1: value of the home, and that leads to the financial motivation?
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  Speaker 1: Was the will changed? Who gets what? Did he have
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  Speaker 1: money problems? Was there an insurance policy, And basically what
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  Speaker 1: it all comes down to is if there was no
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  Speaker 1: sign of fourth entry, and if there's no signs of
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  Speaker 1: theft or burglary, and if there's no struggle, were left
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  Speaker 1: with someone with limited motivation, somebody that she either allowed
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  Speaker 1: in the house or somebody who knew the alarm code,
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  Speaker 1: knew her habits and knew their way around the house.
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  Speaker 1: So that limits my suspect pool right there. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: do know from Lieutenant Elizabeth Albanice that the crime was
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  Speaker 1: committed with a motivation of financial gain. The crime was
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  Speaker 1: committed um with the motivation of financial gain, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: that's yeah, very disturbing and that in this situation. But
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  Speaker 1: homicide investigation was initiated UH that same night, and as
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  Speaker 1: they began to work through their investigation and talk to
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  Speaker 1: witnesses and uncover some evidence, that's what led them to
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  Speaker 1: believe that her son was in fact the suspect in
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  Speaker 1: the homicide because there was a life insurance policy and
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  Speaker 1: I would bet, if I were a betting woman, that
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  Speaker 1: it was made out to beneficiary's son and daughter. Much
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  Speaker 1: less the multimillion dollar mansions set on invaluable land in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of Beverly Hills, he was leading a double life.
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  Speaker 1: If these claims are true, take a listen to his
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  Speaker 1: ad Take a listen to his ad, Alan do what
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  Speaker 1: is it that he calls it about his smile factory?
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  Speaker 1: What does he say his his dental offices are smiles Centers.
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  Speaker 1: Smiles centers. Okay, all listen to this. The first small
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  Speaker 1: center is located on Resuitable of Ard in the heart
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  Speaker 1: of downtown Northridge in the San Fernando Valley. The various
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  Speaker 1: procedures we offer at our offices include zoom whitening, in
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  Speaker 1: visiligne clear correct. We do all types of veneers, from
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  Speaker 1: Da Vinci to lumineers. We're all about the people. We're
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  Speaker 1: all about building relationships and building a foundation of better
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  Speaker 1: health for all of our clients, all of our patients.
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  Speaker 1: That was the suspect. They quote loving son Daniel Yukobe
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  Speaker 1: as he touts his quote Smile Center. This is another
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  Speaker 1: quote from him, Mom, I love you and miss you.
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  Speaker 1: No words can express what you mean to me. Every
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  Speaker 1: single dollar Troy Slaton, every single dollar Troy unless he
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it. That's because somebody is going to benefit financially,
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  Speaker 1: which naturally happens to children. Of people that have money,
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  Speaker 1: they leave their money to their children. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that their children killed them in order to get the money.
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  Speaker 1: Good gravy, Jackie. Have you seen this home? Have you
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  Speaker 1: looked at this? I think, Um, I'm pretty sure that
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  Speaker 1: I have walt or jogged by this before and stared,
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  Speaker 1: gaulped and all the beautiful, incredible day Come over here
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  Speaker 1: and look at this home. I've got my rant day
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  Speaker 1: here with me. Day. Do they have anything like that
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  Speaker 1: in Birmingham? Because I know they don't make and I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure no, probably not. Wow. All right, Okay, enough
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  Speaker 1: staring at home? This is what I know. Weigh in
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  Speaker 1: on this. Karen Smith. Detectives claim they use a high used,
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  Speaker 1: high tech crime task force to search through computers and
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  Speaker 1: ectronic devices, and that it is there if they found
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  Speaker 1: clues that led police to believe the Sun is the killer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't even have enough money in a smile factory,
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  Speaker 1: you would think so. And they're going to do a
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  Speaker 1: deep dive into digital evidence. They're gonna need a warrant,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously they had some kind of probable cause to
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  Speaker 1: lead them to obtain that warrant and do this digital
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  Speaker 1: evidence search on all of his devices. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that would be and what would give them
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  Speaker 1: the PC to do that, but obviously they had it,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm really curious to find out what they found.
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  Speaker 1: I have a good idea, but I have an idea
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  Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. You know. Another thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at is the possibility at this mansion and
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  Speaker 1: it it truly is a mansion if they have surveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: Once he spotted on surveillance video was the alarm, Like
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  Speaker 1: when you go in a home, for all of you listening,
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  Speaker 1: don't put your alarm keypad in an obvious place like
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  Speaker 1: right and side the door. Put it somewhere else or
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  Speaker 1: somebody coming in doesn't have immediate access to it. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: did he was he keyed in or did she expect
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  Speaker 1: him to be coming and she turned the alarm off?
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  Speaker 1: When you say you think you know what the forensic
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  Speaker 1: evidence is based on the computer and electronic searches, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: what do you what do you mean by that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: to me, if we're looking at a financial gain, which
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  Speaker 1: is what they've said you're going to be looking at,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Wills, did he do searches for that? Did
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  Speaker 1: he pull it up. Did he alter it? Did he
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  Speaker 1: go in and look for home values? Did he look
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  Speaker 1: at searches for God forbid, strangulation, asphyxiation, things like that? Um?
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  Speaker 1: What was he doing in financial records? If that's the motivation,
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  Speaker 1: that's where they're going to focus their investigation. Is his
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  Speaker 1: financial history? Is he in dire straits? Does he have
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  Speaker 1: a need for money? Um? What was he doing looking
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  Speaker 1: at these financial records? Are going in and looking in
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  Speaker 1: the computer? Uh to lead them to this financial gain motivation?
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  Speaker 1: Let me just pause as we discuss a sixty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old grandmother found dead in her own home and
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  Speaker 1: now the dentists to the Stars Daniel Yu Kobe her
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  Speaker 1: let's just talk for a moment about the dentists to
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  Speaker 1: the stars. Daniel Yu Kobe arrested. Charged. He is the
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  Speaker 1: one that murdered his own mother. This is another aspect
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  Speaker 1: to his personality. I don't know if it's um probative,
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  Speaker 1: in other words, proves anything at trial, but Alan Duke.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody out in Beverly Hills, you know, from the waitress
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  Speaker 1: at the burger place to the gas stationed everybody is
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  Speaker 1: pushing a script or a quote project. I mean everybody
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  Speaker 1: from the kids playground, you name it. Um, I learned
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  Speaker 1: that when I was out there living for dancing with
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  Speaker 1: the stars. He refers to himself as dentist to the
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  Speaker 1: Stars Alan and prior to his arrest for murder, he
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  Speaker 1: was a high profile dentist to the stars and has
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  Speaker 1: posted photos of himself here he is on his own website.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one with the star fresh Prince of bel Air,
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  Speaker 1: Alfonso Ribero. But you know what, this is woefully out
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  Speaker 1: of date. Everybody knows, or at least if you have
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  Speaker 1: ten your old twins, that this guy's also was the
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  Speaker 1: host or is the host of America's Funniest Videos after
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  Speaker 1: Tom Bergeron left. Okay, this so he is posting photos
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  Speaker 1: of himself with various stars, calling himself dentist to the stars.
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  Speaker 1: They don't call him that, he calls himself that. Look,
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  Speaker 1: if you're Troy Slayton's dentist, your dentist to a star,
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  Speaker 1: quit save it, save it Troy. You know what, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to um leave out allan do in the
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  Speaker 1: sucking up in that corridor and go to Troy Slaton. Troy,
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  Speaker 1: what do you do with the client that posts one
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  Speaker 1: selfie after the next of himself with stars. If I
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  Speaker 1: represent somebody, I asked them to take down immediately any
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  Speaker 1: type of social media at all. I don't want, uh.
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  Speaker 1: And that's whether before they're arrested or after they're arrested.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want savvy prosecutors like yourself to be able
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  Speaker 1: to pick and choose things from their social media footprint,
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  Speaker 1: from their history and use that as people's exhibit one
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  Speaker 1: in court to paint a picture that may not be accurate,
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  Speaker 1: that may not have anything to do with the case
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  Speaker 1: at hand. You know, I'm looking at his mother, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: You look at her. She's very attractive. She kind of
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  Speaker 1: looked in a way. She looks to me like Sally Fields,
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  Speaker 1: but with lighter hair. She's very young, looking to be
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  Speaker 1: a grandma. And she's got a little teacup puppy with her.
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  Speaker 1: And if that her home on the inside, it's pretty swank.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I know. Her own son now charged
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  Speaker 1: in his mother's strangulation. Uh. Pamela fur was right. It's strangulation,
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  Speaker 1: not asphyxiation, which means he had to either do it
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  Speaker 1: manually with his own hands or by ligature, which is
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  Speaker 1: with a rope or stalking, strangle the life out of
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  Speaker 1: his own mother. Pamela fur investigative reporter for Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: What more do we know now? We know at this
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  Speaker 1: point that he is being held without bond. He has
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  Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty. He has a defense attorney, Trent Copeland,
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  Speaker 1: who has said to the press, no one is perfect,
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  Speaker 1: No investigation is perfect. I'm quoting. I hope to prove
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  Speaker 1: that my client is innocent, and I hope to also
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  Speaker 1: prove this investigation was somehow flaw Okay us in to this,
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  Speaker 1: No one's perfect, No investigation is perfect, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: to prove that my client's innocent, and I hope to
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  Speaker 1: also prove that this investigation was somehow flawed, because clearly
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  Speaker 1: our view is that this is not the right person. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that's Trent to Copeland, his defense attorney, and he is
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  Speaker 1: expected to be back in court, Daniel your Kobe on
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  Speaker 1: March nineteen for a preliminary hearing. Well, we do know this,
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  Speaker 1: Troy Sletton. They're charging him with one account of murder
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  Speaker 1: with special circumstances. You know what that means. Special circumstances
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  Speaker 1: means the death penalty. In here in California, they would
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  Speaker 1: need to prove that he had something other than just
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  Speaker 1: the murder, that he was lying in wait, that there
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was a lot of premeditation financial gain. Financial gain could
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: also be a special circumstance. Yes, I you know, Troy,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: explain to the listeners right here on Serious Sex in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: two why financial gain as a motive is deemed a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: special circumstance. There are a lot of murdyers, okay, a lot.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how many murders homicides I investigated
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and tried. But there are certain categories called aggravating circumstances,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: are special circumstances, as it's called in California, which means
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: when the d A puts that onto a murder charge,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the death penalty. Why is financial gain
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: considered so so different from say, heat of passion. Not
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: every murder is the same, and we don't seek to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: impose the death penalty every time there's a murder. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: we there are special classes of murders that we as
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a society look at as particularly heinous. So when a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: murder is committed against multiple people, against law enforcement officers,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: when they're is somebody who is planning and plotting the murder,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or doing it in order to take a life for
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: financial gain, to take a life for money, that's particularly
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: heinous and makes a person potentially eligible for the death penalty. Well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I believe the reason that financial gain is considered a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: special circumstance that is death penalty eligible is because it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: cold and calculated, and you place money over human life.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That's a lot different than getting into a fight in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a bar and pulling a gun and shooting it. Yes,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that's murder too, but this financial gain is clearly thought
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: out ahead of time, and a human life, your own
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: mother's life means less to you then the value of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: her home. Right now, he is behind bars and presumed
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. A brutal serial killer. There's no
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: doubt about the fact that he had done the deed,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But was his inspiration from a Stephen King story? WHOA
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace? This is crime stories. Thank you for
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: being with us, police say a landscape gardener. A lawn
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: man is accused of murdering at least five men, at
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: least five then scattering the remains across thirty different properties,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and they are saying his m O, his motus operandi.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: His method of operation is eerily, eerily similar to that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of Stephen King's lawnmower man. You know, Stephen King lives
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in a world of horror, all his built by his
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: own construction. He may have been considered to be curious
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in nature. Let's just say eclectic, eccentric, unique would be
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a good way to describe him. His books have turned
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: into movies. He's wildly successful, but at this hour he's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: making the headlines in an entirely different way as the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: perceived inspiration for a real life serial killer. Joining me
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: right now, Crime Stories investigative reporter John Limley, John, what
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: do we know, Nancy? Investigators began digging quite literally on
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: January right, stop right there, John Limley. Who ever said
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you did not have a sense of humor? Okay, who
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: ever said that me? Takes it all back? Okay, start over.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: He started digging, and I noticed the way he emphasized digging. Okay,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: go ahead, My My theater background is shining through. These
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: investigators really did begin not only investigating, but actually digging
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: on January eighth, and a neighborhood that's right next to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Toronto's Big Cemetery, Mount Pleasant Police knocked on the door
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a fifty three Mallory Crescent. It's a sprawling home owned
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: by Karen Fraser and her husband Ron Smithe Mallory Crescent. Yes,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Justice got Morgan descine Investigator. That sounds like it's out
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of a book. Fifty three Mallory Crescent. That doesn't even
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: sound real? Is that just me from reading too many
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: crime stories? It sounds completely my No, it does have
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a rather gothic, uh tilt to it. I'd have to say, well,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't thank gothic. Dr Brian Russell. I thought it
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: sounded like, you know, I would get that address a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: little hamlet, a little village somewhere outside of London, fifty
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: three Mallory Crests. And of course Morgan thinks it's like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: foreboding and evil, But to me, it sounds like it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: out of an Agatha Christie novel. Yeah, it's I suppose
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that that had not struck me as being that unusual.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But I mean, aren't you the lawyer and psychologist. Aren't
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you supposed to pick things up? Have you ever seen
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: psych Yes? That's how I imagine, you know, because fifty
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: three you know what? Never mind back to you, John
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Lemley Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Since the men are not
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: as sensitive and as intuitive as some people may are,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we will go forward. Go ahead, John Lamley. So they
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: knock on the door. What happens right? Officers show this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: startled elderly couple a search warrant and give them twenty
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: minutes to vacate the property so they can begin what
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: emerged as quite a grisly task. Moments later, several white
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: police fans pull up crowd the street. Officers began to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: sift through the concert contents of the couple's garage that's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: stuffed with tools and planters and bags of soil. A
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: few days later, neighbors say investigators erect a huge tent
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in the backyard and beginning began to use a huge
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: generator to thaw the frozen ground in preparation for excavation.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Nearly two weeks after they began digging up the backyard
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: at Mallory Crescent, the discovery of human remains absolutely sets panic.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: In a city known for its quiet, leafy neighborhoods and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a relatively low crime rate. The city had a serial
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: killer on its hands. His name is Bruce MacArthur, a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: landscaper and shockingly, had just wrapped up a part time
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: stint playing Santa Clause during the holiday season. Oh man,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you always have the one little twist fat that just
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: sends me over the edge. John Limley, John Linley joining
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: me Crime Stories investigative reporters. So they dig up one body.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I can just imagine this little couple with me. Also
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Jackie Howard and Alan Duke. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: host of the hit investigation discovery series Fatal Vows. Joseph
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, deasing investigator, forensics expert and Professor of forensics
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University. Alan Duke, all right, I know
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you're not a crime scene expert, but you do watch
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of movies and uh, one of us me
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: reads a lot of books. This sounds straight out of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a movie set. When you knock on the door and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to a little old couple answer minding their own business,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and suddenly they're like, get on the street, we're executing
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a search warrant. You got twenty minutes, whoe And then
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to their mortification, find a dead body in the backyard.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it gets even worse than that, and I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just fascinated listening to the screenwriter John Limley tell this story.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he should be doing, not journalism.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: This is uh okay, you know what, Alan, thank you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: for the career advice. Isn't it true, John Limley, that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: this couple had allowed the suspect to store equipment in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a shed in exchange for free lawn care. That would
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: be how they would be linked to this guy. Correct, Nancy,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: For about ten years they had known mac Arthur, had
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: allowed him to uh keep quite a number of his
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: his tools, even uh some small plants and pots and such.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: They're in their garage. So a fictional horror story is
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: playing out for real when police hone in on a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: guy they believe has slaughtered at least five men and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hiding their dismembered body parts and gardens all across the city. Interesting,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: John Limley, he apparently buried this guy's body parts and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: this elderly couple's backyard in their garden, the same garden
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: he had been working on. What about the other four
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: alleged victims. Were they also dismembered and where were they
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: found or have they been found? Well? Right now the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: police are looking on matching up remains that they've found
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: with some men who have been missing in some cases
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: for several years now. So so the key is they
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: have bodies, they have names, and for at least three
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of those, uh, it's going to take some more research
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and testing to put those names and bodies together. I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: gonna get to you on that, Joseph Scott Morgan, um
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: death sting investigator. But to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: host of Fatal Vows on I D this landscaper Bruce
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: McArthur is now suspected in five different murders, at least
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: they police say, but discovered a number of hacked up corpses,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: hidden and large planters across the city. Now, what's crazy er,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: doctor Brian. The murders resemble almost to the tea the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: plot in lawnmower Man. Now, that was a short story
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: by horror writer Stephen King that centers around a sex
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: crazy landscaper who murders the suburban owner who had hired him.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: And it goes from there that that story only ends
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: when police discovered those victims dead bodies hidden under the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: backyard bird bath and then strown and hidden across a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: man cured lawn under you know, the grass, but in
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: different parts. And now police are on a real life
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: scavenger hunt for bodies. Dr Brian Russell, you're the shrink.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Help me out. You know, when I look at this case, Nancy,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it seems more to me, like you know, as we've
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: seen with many of these killers, it's it's a convenience thing.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: It's a you know, what can I do that to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: conceal the evidence of my crimes that is available to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: me easily, And so for him as a landscaper, concealing
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the bodies in the landscaping was the easy thing. You know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's like kind of the storyline of Sweeney Todd. You
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: know that the horrifying storyline of Remember Sweeney Todd was
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the the the guy who whose wife had the bakery
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and he was the barber, and he would kill demon
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: barber of Fleet Street, and he would kill people and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: then the wife would bake him into the pies. It's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: it's like that, Okay, Dr Brian. I appreciate your flair
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for the theatric but can we talk about reality just
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a moment. Let me just rain in the wild imaginations
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of these men, Jackie. They're all going hysterical. I'm so
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: happy I got to say some men were hysterical, because
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's always women that are allegedly hysterical. Oh now I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: hear some maniacal laughing on the other end. Okay, but
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: let's get away from Broadway and um scripts and talk
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: about reality. Dr Brian Russell I would like to point
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: out in the real world is that killers often do
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the deed and dispose of the body where they are comfortable.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: For instance, Scott Peterson fisherman he dubbed Lacy and Connor's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: dead bodies in San Francisco Bay. Other people, Uh, they're hunters.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: They hide the bodies out in the woods or hikers.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: In this case, this guy is a lawn expert. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: all across the city police now believe Bruce MacArthur has
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: hacked up bodies and hidden them in lawns where he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: worked Forget about Sweeney Todd. He's not even real. Okay, guys,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: help me out here. Is that not exactly what I said.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a convenience thing. They put the bodies
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: where it's easy for them to put them in and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: where they know about. And this is a landscaper, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: where he's got easy access. What he knows about is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: putting them in the landscaping. Yeah, yeah, just got Morgan. Uh.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Now I'm on Russell's wavelength because I really believe people
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: stay in their habits. We are creatures of habits. Even
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: though you may be off the chart as a serial
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: killer or some other extreme, still, we are humans. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: this was his habit. He knew these lawns, he knew
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: how they were landscaped. He knew where a body literally
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: would never be found, much less a part of a body.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Isn't that true? You're the DestinE investigator, you know that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: That sounds like an interesting statistical study that should be
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: commissioned as to the disposal of human bodies. Wants a murder, Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'd agree, Nancy. Let me throw another number out to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you here. That's kind of mind boggling. Is the number thirty.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: That's how many clients this guy had, the accused thirty
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: clients dispersed over over this area. Now, even though the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: geographically uh in this area, they might be very diverse neighborhood, say,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: for instance, it is the environment which he dwelled, where
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: he cut grass. He didn't uh lawn work, and that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. So the police from an investigative standpoint,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: have a real job on their hands, don't they, Because
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: thirty different clients that this guy had. And I'd like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to see kind of how this pattern looks on a map,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: which is one of the things we do in serial investigations,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: see where this pattern is, how far out it expands.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Some of the things that that you know that the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: police and crime scene technologists and forensic science are looking for.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: They're gonna mark this and tie this back to this guy.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Are the instrumentalities of death, that is, how were these
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: individuals killed? And we were hearing a lot about how
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the bodies were essentially dismembered. And with most of these
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: people that dismember bodies, they have a specific methodology. This
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is done on a learning curve. Nancy. You have to understand, um,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this is not something that you just automatically pick up.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So in in the earlier cases, he unless he's been
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: doing this for a long long time, which may very
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: well be the case, there might be other bodies. There's
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a learning curve to learn literally how to dismember a body.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: It's not an easy task. And then the disposal, how
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: do you go about disposing bodies. Is there a specific
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: methodology in which he is employing in this particular case,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: he's going to what he knows. He's a you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: he's a landscap er. Uh. He knows how to use
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: garden tools. He knows how to obscure things, how to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: essentially landscape things out of the field of vision. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this is going to be key. Another curious thing about this,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Nancy is I've heard, you know, buried in the yard,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and that's where thing. But also this guy put body
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: parts in planters, which gives me an indication that he,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he either thought that he was going to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: do their yards forever and ever, or he really didn't
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: care that he was gonna get caught. I do gardening.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I changed the dirt out in my planners. Uh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, yearly, so you know it's wait a minute,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, you have time to go out there
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and throw out the old dirt. Dirt. Haven't you ever
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: heard of planting those things that just reblame over and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: over like they're like green, they don't necessarily have flowers.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta get into this there, I gotta get into
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the right keep going, so you know you've got body
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: parts that are buried in planners, and these things have
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to be maintenanced. And so the idea is that someone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: at some point time is gonna come down the pike
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: here and and take that out and find something. It's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: not like a guy goes and chops up a body
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and throws it into a swamp, or you know, even
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: buries it in concrete footers and a big building that's
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: being being poured. This is kind of curious to me.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You know. Here's how it all broke open. Right now,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: over thirty properties where MacArthur worked as a landscape artist
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: are being inspected by police, including a quote extensive investigation
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: at one residence where he used a garage to store
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: equipment and flower pots. The digging first started January eighteen,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the same day Bruce MacArthur was booked. Police issued to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: search work to those homeowners, Karen Fraser and husband Ron Smith,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: who allowed their quote helpful neighbor to store landscaping tools
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: on their property. Amazing the way this whole thing has unfolded,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and my guess is there's going to be more. One
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: other thing about about this case that that I'm finding
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: quite interesting is that, um, several of the people that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: have been targeted out of this group of six are
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of Mid Eastern origin, and I think that that's that's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: kind of uh an interesting little aside. There not all
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of them, but a significant number of these gentlemen were
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: from the Mid East. Cayenne Salem, Easton Rush Marmoody, Andrew Kinsman,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Dean Lisswick. Those are some of the names we believe
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: are his dead victims. Are there going to be more? Yeah, Nancy,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, UH, with this case, one of
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the things, and this all goes to what we look
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: for in forensics, uh, kind of our our meat and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: potatoes as we're trying to find connectivity through patterns. And
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: right now, what we do know is that we've got
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: we've got uh, several gay men that have that have
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: vanished obviously out of the Toronto Gay Village as their
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: termin it. Uh. And one of the interesting things though,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: is that one of these gentlemen, who was a local
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: activist in the gay community, uh, was not like these
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: other individuals that were targeted. Uh. This fellow was an activist,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: very vocal and according to his friends, is very very
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: protective he uh and and kind of uh kind of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: had a rough side to him, he I don't you
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: kind of get the impression from what I'm hearing that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: this fellow didn't abide fools. So, uh, this was obviously
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a mistake. I think that was made by the perpetrator
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: in this case. And uh, he's he's left behind a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: specific signature according to his clients. The landscaper Bruce MacArthur quote,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: he went above and beyond what our original agreement was
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to cut the grass. There's a beautiful Christmas arrangement that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: just showed up a weight before Christmas, made by him.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: You have to understand he's so kind, helpful. He helped
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: with our charity work doing floral gifts for silent auctions. Well, hello,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: he's a serial killer. How can there be too diametrically
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: opposed personalities in one body? Dr Brian Russell. I don't
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: know if you have ever heard of a serial killer
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: named David Most, but yes, this guy reminds me of
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Most in this way. Mosta, by the way, committed suicide
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: in prison, and before he committed suicide, he wrote a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: memoir where he talked about what he was thinking when
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: he did his killings. And I received part of that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: memoir from a distant relative of his and had a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: chance to read it, and it was fascinating because Moss
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: had he was very conflicted about his sexuality and he
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell is everything about sex with you know
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you and Dr Bethany Marshall, have you ever seen a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: crime that was not psyto massachistic? Ever? I take that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: silence as enough. He would get into relationships with men
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and then he would get he would become conflicted about
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: whether it was wrong or not, and he would get
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: angry at the men as if they had, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: somehow caused him to do something wrong, and then he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: would sort of he would get homicidal and he would
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: kill them, and then he would find himself needing to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: dispose of the bodies rapidly. And so it's like Joseph
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Morgan said, it's it's uh, you know that the ways
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: in which he disposed of these bodies were not necessarily
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you know, brilliant, because they were he put them in
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: places that eventually, some of them at least were likely
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to be found, which suggests to me that perhaps there
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was a similar process going on where he would he
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: would do something in sort of a uh, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a sexually charged rage and then can I tell you
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: what he said on online? You know he's on multiple,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: multiple dating websites. One quote, this is the Alte serial killer.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I can be a bit shy until I get to
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  Speaker 1: know you, but am a romantic at heart. I love
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to cook and enjoy most types of food. Oh okay,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you know when I put heart in the same sentence
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: as his name, I think of him carving your heart out. Well,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: right now, this is what we know. Five people dead
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: so far, hacked into pieces, their bodies buried across a huge,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: huge city, in the backyards and on the grounds of
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: his lawn care clients. We are waiting for the very
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: latest as we dread hearing there are more victims of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Bruce MacArthur. Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend,