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Week Fifteen · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  The. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner podcast along with my partners, Brian Ziegler and
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  Shelton Moss in a late arriving Jonathan Talley.
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  He will be here in just a little while.
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  Y'all. My name is Curtis Wilson.
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  Boundary Corner podcast is part of the College Huddle Network
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  Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood
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  pharmacy. Season's over.
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  All the regular season's over. The regular season's over.
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  It went by fast, did it not? Such is life, man.
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  I mean, we started the season, Sheldon didn't have a job.
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  Now he's got a job. He's got a new apartment.
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  He's writing articles for the key play Sheldon.
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  He will feverishly be finishing out an article after we wrap up
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  tonight for y'all tomorrow, Sheldon, just get a little tea
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  on what you're going to be reviewing there for that article
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  when it drops. Yeah, so I think it might be a
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  two-part series, you know, Part 1 tomorrow, but because I got a
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  lot of things to write about. But I would say, you know, I I
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  just talked about how how much of an underachiever Virginia
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  Tech was historical underachiever.
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  If you saw my tweet the other day, Okies are last 20-3 years.
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  They had the highest point differential against FBS plus
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  6.9 point differential for a team that did not finish with a
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  winning record at 6:00 and 6:00. So I think the the defining
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  aspect of this team will just be, you know, underachieving.
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  I mean, they they should have won more than six games, but
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  they didn't found a way to lose every close game O and five.
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  And I think I think the play on the field was a lot better than
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  what the record indicated, even though we certainly do have some
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  criticism of coaching. But you know, I I talked about
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  the defense and how, you know, they did statistically improving
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  a lot of metrics from last year, but it was also somewhat of a
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  mirage just because they faced a lot of backup quarterbacks.
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  They didn't really win a game against any decent quarterback
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  the entire season. You know, they gave us some big
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  passing plays, a lot of explosives and they they
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  struggled to stop the run consistently.
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  So you think we look at those factors together, you kind of
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  look at a defense that just really didn't.
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  I think the the, the sum of the parts, you know, wasn't bigger
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  than the whole, whatever the quote is.
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  I don't know. But they just they didn't
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  perform well enough. So there you go.
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  All right, so definitely check that out tomorrow with Shelton.
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  And you know, normally we will start with Tell the Truth
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  Tuesday and review the game. But because we were waiting for
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  Tally had to attend the basketball game and I can be
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  sliding in here a little later, we're going to start it to be at
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  the ending end at the beginning. So what we're starting with is
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  we are going to start with our big screeners this week.
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  We have decided to pick every conference championship game,
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  all nine of them straight up money line, no spread involved.
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  Who you think's going to take home the trophy potential bids
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  into the CFP playoff? We can.
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  We're going to actually discuss that and the rankings once we
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  get this wrapped up. So a lot of fun, a lot of games.
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  If you're a gambler like Jason Long, our buddy, I have a
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  feeling either Jason come Sunday is going to have a lot of money
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  to the bet on the NFL. He's not going to be able to bet
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  on the NFL Sunday after Friday and Saturday, so.
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  This is a fun one because I, I looked, it's kind of where we
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  fell and it's a, it's a very interesting, interesting week.
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  Yeah, after after a a few weeks here of having quite a few games
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  where we're all in lockstep, we got a bunch this week that
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  there's at least a couple stragglers here and there.
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  There are some stragglers here and there.
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  So let's get that graphic up and let's get it started.
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  And we are going to start with one of the first games on Friday
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  night where Jonathan Talley's alma mater, the Jacksonville
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  State Gamecocks. But one Gamecock is going to
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  have a championship this year. The other probably not going to
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  be able to play takes on Western Kentucky.
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  Western Kentucky is sneaking into this game after they beat
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  Jacksonville State last week to get into the Conference USA
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  title game, which is pretty crazy.
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  I think it's a 3 point win. 16/19/16 I'll get that up to
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  confirm. So we're going to start here.
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  It's going to be Friday night. 7:00.
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  Get your get your gambling ready because you know that's what
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  you're going to do on this game. Going to be on CBS Sports
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  Network, we're picking straight up the line is Jacksonville -3
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  1/2 and it is going to be at Jacksonville State.
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  So at their home stadium where the match up I believe last week
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  if I'm not mistaken was at Western Kentucky and it was 17
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  or 1917 Western Kentucky with a walk off 50 yard field goal to
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  beat Jacksonville State. So Brian, with all that being
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  said. Teams this evenly matched.
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  Winning a game twice is hard as hell.
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  So for that reason, we're going with the cops, man.
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  Got winning against the same team twice usually it's tough to
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  do anyway. Winning against the same team
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  twice in back-to-back weeks, I don't find that data point.
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  Is that ever been done? I can find it be.
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  So we'll let you look that up while we're going through this
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  stuff. But for me, I'm also with Brian,
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  I I think a close win. Wilshire, Kentucky's home field
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  definitely saved one last week. Jacksonville Statewood home
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  field Jacksonville State wins Conference USA.
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  Yeah, I know Boise State and President State had a couple
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  years where they they faced off back-to-back in the Mountain
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  West because of the the championship game after regular
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  season game. And those are some pretty good
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  battles. I think.
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  I think they split most of their meetings.
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  But yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking Jacksonville State.
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  I honestly don't really know anything about either one of
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  these teams, but I'm just taking the home team.
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  There you go. You know where Tally's.
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  Going well, you know where he's going.
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  And Miranda's going with Western Kentucky here.
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  She thinks they can pull the double and.
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  Jason's riding with the rest of the crew.
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  All righty, Brian, where are we going next?
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  Miami of Ohio and Ohio all. Righty the matching.
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  The matching, this is totally gut feel for me.
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  I'm going with Ohio. I'm riding.
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  I'm riding with the Bobcats here.
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  Gut feel for me. This is going to be noon by the
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  way, on Saturday, ESP NS carrying this one game is let's
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  say I think it's at Ford Field, the wonderful Ford Field, which
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  is wonderful. Now it's a fun place to watch
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  football. Now these teams matched up in
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  the regular season with Miami of Ohio beating Ohio and it's kind
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  of funny though when y'all think about it.
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  So we have a Miami and an Ohio in conference championship
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  weekend, but you know what? Is it either one we thought it'd
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  be? Nope, not at all.
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  Nope. I like Miami a little bit more
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  and I'll tell you why on this one.
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  Yes, they're going to pull the double, but that game was way
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  back. When you take a look at their
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  records this year, Miami's of Ohio's other three losses.
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  They lost to Northwestern, they lost to Cincinnati and they lost
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  to Notre Dame, and they were competitive in those games.
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  So I'm going to want to go Miami of Ohio on this one.
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  All right, Sheldon, what you got?
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  Yeah, I'm taking Miami. Last three games they've given
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  up a total of 28 points. Their defense is on fire.
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  I'm taking the team with better defense today.
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  So Miami. All right.
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  Tally's riding with Y'all, Miranda's on my train here and
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  Jason is with Y'all as well, so it's kind of a split house here.
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  Little 42 action. Little 42 action there.
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  All right. Oh baby, next one, Sunbelt
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  Conference where this legitimately looks like a really
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  good game. Marshalls nine and three,
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  usually Louisiana Raisin Cajuns are tending to this game at
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  Cajun Field, so it is a home field advantage for the Raisin
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  Cajuns. Will be on ESPN on Saturday.
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  Excuse me, yes, Saturday night 730 have a man cave set up.
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  You don't miss any games, but everybody know that out there
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  and and it's interesting. I'm trying to pull it up here.
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  I don't think they played in the regular season because there's
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  an East and West for this. Marshall coming off a win over
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  JMU. They did not play in the regular
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  season. So a first, first meeting of the
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  season. Yeah, first match up and it's a
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  good match up. They're both good, solid teams.
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  Brian, what are you thinking on this one?
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  You know, I've liked what I've seen from the Marshall games
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  that I've watched all year. I haven't watched a ton of
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  Louisiana throughout the year. Marshalls looked pretty
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  impressive compared to what I thought we were going to get
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  from them this year, so I'm going to take Marshall in this
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  one. Yeah, Marshall, two of their
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  three losses, obviously they lost to Tech and then they lost
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  to Ohio State the following week.
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  So two of their three losses are to Power Four teams, Raging
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  Cajuns one and one against. Effectively not one in one.
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  But Raging Cage's biggest win this year.
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  Beat Tulane early in the season. Should be lost to Tulane early
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  in the season, but beat Wake Forest.
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  So with all that being said, I don't know, I like Charles Huff.
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  I think this is more I like Charles Huff.
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  He might be the coach in a couple years.
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  So get on with bandwagon now. Well, I like Michael Desermo.
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  That's the head coach for Louisiana.
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  OK, he was, he was a little bit similar to pride in the sense
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  that he got really unlucky his first two years.
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  But this has been sort of the big turn around year for
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  Louisiana. He's done a great job.
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  They're they're tending to overall 7/1 of the conference.
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  So I'm taking Louisiana. I think I just think they got a
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  really good unit. Yeah.
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  All right. Yeah.
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  Tally's riding with you there, Sheldon, Miranda's riding me and
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  Curtis and Jason they we got a full split here on this one.
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  Hey Sheldon, just just a little background.
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  Where did the Ormo come from? Where was he he?
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  He's a, he was a first time head coach.
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  He can't, he was an assistant there for a bunch of years and
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  he actually came before that straight from straight from high
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  school. So he was a running backs coach
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  for one year and then switched over to tight ends for five
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  years and then just moved up the ranks.
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  Wow, that's that's, that's actually pretty impressive to do
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  something like that. You don't see a lot of guys
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  literally go from high school a straight into AG 5.
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  That's that's one of the more impressive things, unless you're
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  at one of the big time, you know, high schools within a
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  state or something, which could be the case down in Louisiana
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  where he was. I'd have to go do that research,
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  but but good for him, good for him with ten wins.
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  So yeah, all righty now we're getting into some of the bigger
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  games, and this one is just this one's a juicy matchup.
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  So first of all, Brian, I'm going to need you to play
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  weatherman. Give me the weather for what's
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  the exact name of the town where Army's located?
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  I know it's on the east the the river and everything.
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  Mitchy Stadium. Look up Mitchy Stadium.
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  So this game Friday night it's 8:00 it's on ABC 2G5 teams like
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  who are very good obviously Tech any if you're if you're a tech
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  fan, you remember playing this two lane team in the bowl
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  without players. A lot of players left last year
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  Army what a great fucking season.
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  Just straight up 10 and one the game the army Navy game is going
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  to be incredible this year. They're both really good.
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  They both run their offenses efficiently.
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  I look forward to that game in a couple weeks, but this is a big
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  one for the AACI don't think either one of the I don't think
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  Army can backdoor its way into the playoffs with the win here
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  based on where like UNL VS ranked.
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  But Friday night, 8:00, it's cold right now on the East
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  Coast. Brian, let's get a little
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  weather report. What's going to be the
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  temperature at kick off on Friday night for this game?
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  Let's see. I'm getting there here.
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  Let's see. Looks like it's going to be 25.
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  So 25° from a team that plays, I'm not mistaken, Tulane still
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  plays in the Superdome. Yep, definitely against the
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  elements in that one. Tulane also coming off a hard
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  loss to Memphis, which my for some reason my oldest son, I
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  guess he watched that game or saw the score.
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  He's like, yeah, Memphis won dad.
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  Big win for Ryan Silverfield, Brian as well.
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  It. Was yeah, it looks like it's
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  going to be between 25 and 27 depending on what, where you,
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  where you look at kickoff so. Cold, cold.
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  All right. Well, with all that being said,
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  Brian, who you got? Despite all of that, I I'm
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  rolling with Tulane here. I think they just have a little
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  bit more they're a little bit more dynamic both on offense and
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  defense. So I I think that's going to be
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  the difference in the game. I think they squeak one out, but
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  army makes it very, very close. All righty.
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  I think Army's going to win this game.
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  I think Tulane, because if Tulane had won that game last
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  week, maybe a shot potentially at a a bid.
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  If they had held on and beaten Memphis, I think Army, big
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  bounce back for them. Army wins.
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  Yeah, I love army, but I got to take I got to take two lane.
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  I just think they got more firepower and I think the Black
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  Knights have been kind of a little bit going on some some
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  good luck here. So I think Tulane will win.
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  Yeah, Tally's ride with Army, Miranda's ride with Army and
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  Jason is ride with Army. So shelved me and you were out
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  there on our own on this one. Curtis, you are on mute.
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  Listen, Throne team, 25° weather in the 15 mile an hour, winds
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  falling off, but if they would, I'd speak to them.
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  All righty. Finally, we get to the big ones
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  because the next five games effectively are going to be
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  automatic bids into the into the playoffs.
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  Brian, you want to you want to talk about this one a little
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  bit? Yeah, I mean, we got UNLV, we
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  got Boise. Yeah.
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  This is a really, really interesting match up.
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  Like a little bit of contrasting styles there.
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  I'm liking what I've seen from Boise.
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  I think Boise holes Pat in their their March into the College
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  Football Playoff and in my opinion, getting one of those
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  automatic buys as well. So give me Boise State and we'll
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  talk about that later. But yeah, we.
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  Will teaser teaser. All righty, y'all know these
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  teams played one time already and it was in Vegas, It was at
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  Allegiant, it was a little bit warmer.
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  Did y'all know that was Ashan Gente's worst game of the
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  season? He averaged under 4 yards to
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  carry UNL VS rush defense, ranked 10th in the nation, only
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  given up 101 yards a game. That was a 2 point game the
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  first time. It is at Boise.
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  I'm sure it's going to be cold as hell there.
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  I'm actually interested to see that.
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  It's not going to change my pick, but you know, Friday
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  night, yeah, you know, it's going to be about 40 at kickoff,
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  so not terrible. I think UNLV shakes up
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  everything because right now they're only two losses are to
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  Boise in the overtime game against Syracuse very early in
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  the season. Syracuse, obviously nine and
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  three, had a great season. I think UNLV pulls the massive
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  upset and shakes up potentially the CFP.
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  All right. Yeah, I'm a I'm a big Boise guy,
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  so I'm biased here, but I'm going Boise.
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  I do think to Curtis's point, you and Eveleigh is the one team
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  in the country that can limit Ash and Genti.
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  So I do think this will be a very close game, but I'll take
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  Boise straight up. Tally's riding with us, Sheldon,
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  as is Miranda and Jason. So, Curtis, you're out there on
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  an island, babe. Got got got to roll the dice
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  occasionally at the end here all righty plus I don't know where
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  we stand picks wise. I think I'm under 500.
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  So you got to go opposite and try to get ahead of y'all.
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  All righty, let's get into the Power 4 where on Saturday at
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  noon down at ATT Stadium in Arlington, TX, the house that
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  Jerry built it is 10 and two Iowa State at 10 and two or
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  against 10 and 2 Arizona State. I I think, I don't think
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  anyone's shocked by Iowa State being a good team this year.
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  Matt Campbell's had numerous good teams since he has been at
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  Iowa State for the last few years.
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  But big shout out Kenny Dillingham.
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  I think this is the biggest surprise of maybe the second
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  biggest surprise. Maybe not maybe the biggest
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  surprise of all the P4 teams in the championship game in my
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  opinion, but what a season for them.
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  And Brian, anything add on top of that anything you like,
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  Sheldon, anything you like about these teams?
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  You know, it's just an interesting match up.
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  And I mean, we talked about how the Big 12 shook out and there
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  was kind of really, you know, 5 or 6 teams there at the end that
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  could have, you know, made a run here at the the conference
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  championship game. Colorado probably
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  notwithstanding, these are probably the the two best all
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  year, you know, top to bottom. So you know, seeing them in
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  here, I think it's a it probably the best outcome that you could
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  have hoped for. And.
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  For this one, I'm going with the the the team that has shocked
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  everybody all year. I'm I'm going with with Arizona
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  State. All righty.
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  I'm up next on this one again. I've already mentioned it.
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  I think it's already there. My love for Matt Campbell, Hell
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  of a coach. One of those guys two years ago,
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  could we could we go get Matt Campbell and bring him to Vt?
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  He'd be a good culture fit here. He had not been able to get over
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  the Big 12 hump the last few times they played in the
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  championship game. I think he cements this, let his
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  legacy and gets to the playoff with Iowa State. close game,
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  war. These teams, if you look at
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  where they're rated, similar defenses, similar offenses
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  ratings wise, but I think Iowa State takes this one in.
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  Matt Campbell Ginson, it's his legacy, is probably one of the
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  better coaches in this era at a school that hadn't won a hell of
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  a lot before he got there. Yeah, I'm taking Arizona State.
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  You know, two programs here that really just are are solid but
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  not flashy. I think I was really impressed
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  with Arizona State's winner. BYU kind of handled a very
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  physical BYU team and I think they can handle physical Iowa
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  State team as well. So and they got Ken Scudaboo,
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  who's awesome. Yes, Scataboo is pretty awesome.
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  I'll I'll give you that shelf. Yep, and Curtis, once again, you
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  were out on an island. It's because Tally, Miranda and
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  Jason are riding with Arizona State as well.
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  It's the white running back effect.
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  If there's a good white running back, people gravitate towards
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  that. I'm just being real.
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  Come on. Hey, hey.
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  Peyton Hillis once made the cover of Matt.
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  Yeah. He did.
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  Wow he had like 1100 yards. You wouldn't even like the 5th
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  best running back that year. He was white.
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  At at some point that was more meme than it was anything real.
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  But you know what? Sometimes you ride a meme.
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  Sometimes you're out of meme. All right, Ron, I'll let you
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  leave. This one is.
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  It arguably the best team all year in in college football.
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  Oregon, you got Penn State. Penn State's really had a year
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  that I think was probably as good or better than they
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  expected. I don't know if they necessarily
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  saw themselves in this position with the schedule that they had,
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  but they put themselves here and you know, Oregon's more or less
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  handled their business all year. So one of those classic, you
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  wouldn't really say this is a classic matchup from a a big 10
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  standpoint. You got Oregon in there.
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  But I think this is this is a a batch up that you expect when
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  you talk about, you know, top five teams meeting in the big 10
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  for a chance to have that, you know, in this case a bye for the
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  the first round of the playoff here, probably probably A at
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  least a number one and #2 seed. So I like Oregon in this one.
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  They've been the best team all year.
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  I think they keep that up. Yeah, Brian, you, you said a
• 24:11
  lot. Oregon's been the best team all
• 24:13
  year, probably Penn State. I mean say what you will.
• 24:17
  Probably their best season since they won the Big 10 a few years
• 24:21
  ago because the Ohio State game, they did not basic.
• 24:26
  They basically hung in there the whole game.
• 24:27
  They just could not get enough to finish it.
• 24:30
  Obviously. I like what Jim said.
• 24:33
  That is a Rose Bowl match up, but I favor Oregon in this one
• 24:38
  for one big reason. It's going to be inside.
• 24:41
  I think if this was in the elements, if this was let's
• 24:45
  think they moved it to Ohio and put it in Cleveland or put in
• 24:49
  Cincinnati. This championship game, I favor
• 24:51
  Penn State. But I think being on that
• 24:54
  wonderful Dome that Lucas Oil is that Ryan's so familiar with
• 24:58
  Give me Oregon and they solidify the number one and they solidify
• 25:03
  going to the Rose Bowl. Yes, I am taking Oregon.
• 25:10
  I just don't trust Franklin enough in these types of games.
• 25:14
  And to Brian's point, Oregon is at worst a top two team in the
• 25:17
  country. Penn State is not on that level.
• 25:20
  There we go. Tally's riding with us.
• 25:24
  Miranda's going Penn State, Jason also going with Penn
• 25:29
  State. I mean, isn't, I mean, let's be
• 25:32
  real before we jump to the next game.
• 25:34
  I mean, obviously I think everyone was expecting Ohio
• 25:37
  State to be in this game and for the rematch from earlier in the
• 25:40
  season, which was an unbelievable classic.
• 25:43
  The the, the question is, where was Penn State?
• 25:47
  Where's Penn State's head? Because I think let's be honest,
• 25:51
  going into the end of last week as they prepared to play, who do
• 25:54
  they play? Somebody help me out here.
• 26:00
  Y'all going to make me pull up? Efforting, efforting, efforting.
• 26:03
  Do it. You people like Maryland who
• 26:07
  fired their offensive coordinator Dane Josh Gaddis,
• 26:11
  44, seven. The the question is, how quick
• 26:15
  can they get up? Because I think in their head
• 26:17
  was we're going to beat Maryland, Ohio State's going to
• 26:22
  beat Michigan, and we're going to be somewhere between 7:00 and
• 26:27
  9:00. Where do we land?
• 26:30
  Are we on the road or are we at home?
• 26:32
  And now with this happening, Penn State's, if whether they
• 26:35
  win or whether they lose or they get to buy, they're guaranteed a
• 26:38
  home game. I do not see them go below 8 in
• 26:40
  this situation. There you go all.
• 26:46
  Right. Thanks, Jim.
• 26:48
  All righty. Next we go down to Charlotte.
• 26:53
  Probably the game that has the biggest implications in terms of
• 26:58
  which got which team gets in and and which team doesn't in terms
• 27:03
  of at large. If you looked at the College
• 27:07
  Football Playoff rankings and the way they shook out today,
• 27:12
  very interesting to to see where a certain team from Alabama was
• 27:19
  located on the on these rankings.
• 27:21
  So this game, I think, has a lot of a lot of odds at stake for
• 27:26
  what happens here. Curtis, you're muted.
• 27:35
  Yeah, 100%, Brian, this is, you know, like you said, it's so
• 27:41
  much riding. Where do teams fall?
• 27:43
  What happens in this case, based on what the playoff committee
• 27:47
  did tonight with their six different ways of explaining why
• 27:50
  people are wearing things. There's no fucking consistency.
• 27:53
  They have one goal, which is they're going to try to get
• 27:56
  Alabama in the best they can. That's all their goal is because
• 27:59
  they want that giant FPGA to be there at some point for all
• 28:04
  viewership. So with that being said,
• 28:10
  anything on this with Shelton before you give your pick,
• 28:12
  Anything that's caught your eye about either team?
• 28:18
  Yeah, I think SMU is like really, really talented.
• 28:21
  Top five offense in the country per SP plus Clemson is a little
• 28:25
  bit more balanced. They've got a good offense and a
• 28:27
  good defense, but not not necessarily elites in neither 1.
• 28:30
  I don't know. I think I just think Lasha has
• 28:32
  done a really good job. It's kind of funny when when
• 28:34
  when SMU lost to BYU earlier in the season, we thought, oh man,
• 28:37
  they must be overrated and they almost lost to Nevada as well.
• 28:40
  But it turns out BYU was also really good.
• 28:42
  So you just never know early in the season.
• 28:45
  I think I think SMU has just done a great job.
• 28:47
  Brian early in the seasons and rankings.
• 28:51
  Don't get me started yet. I'll, I'll, I'll be on that
• 28:56
  soapbox here shortly when we start talking about who's who's
• 28:59
  going to make the College Football Playoff.
• 29:00
  But as far as this one, I'm, I'm going Clemson for a lot of
• 29:05
  reasons. But number one, I think if if
• 29:07
  you, if Clemson wins, I think the ACC still gets two teams in.
• 29:11
  I think Miami's getting fucked at this point regardless.
• 29:14
  Yeah, this is going to obviously be SMU's toughest task to date.
• 29:21
  Clemson just got out of war with South Carolina, where they could
• 29:23
  have easily have won that game and been 10 and 2 coming into
• 29:27
  this game, probably ranked one spot behind them, probably
• 29:31
  pushed everybody down a little bit.
• 29:33
  And honestly, I think crowds going to be in their favorites
• 29:38
  of what, 90 minute drive up from Clemson up to Charlotte.
• 29:41
  I think Clemson wins a game, but I think this is probably going
• 29:45
  to be the most entertaining game of the weekend.
• 29:50
  I think the game is going to go, it's going to hit the over, but
• 29:53
  I think Clemson sneaks out like a three to five point win.
• 29:59
  This one is tough. I think Clemson has the better
• 30:02
  staff, or perhaps I should say the more proven staff, but I
• 30:07
  just think SMU has more talent across the board.
• 30:09
  So I'm thinking SMU, but I'm I'm fully aware that Clemson might
• 30:11
  very well make this a game. Yeah, Tally.
• 30:16
  Tally is going with Clemson as well.
• 30:18
  Miranda, Clemson and Jason is riding with you, Sheldon.
• 30:21
  Oh man. Yeah, saddle up.
• 30:25
  Yeah, saddle up on your Mustangs Air boys.
• 30:28
  Yeah, all righty. So one last game to pick and
• 30:33
  this is the one Jason's gambling on.
• 30:35
  So we have to put this last, but he's going to Atlanta for
• 30:39
  Georgia and Texas. Hey folks, welcome back to one
• 30:56
  more week of guitar licks and gambling picks.
• 30:59
  I'm Jason Long. It is championship week and here
• 31:02
  on the Boundary Corner podcast we're picking every game, but
• 31:05
  the one I'm most excited about is the SEC championship between
• 31:09
  Georgia and Texas. Now, a few weeks ago when this
• 31:12
  game was played the first time, I picked Texas, and of course,
• 31:16
  Georgia went on to win and I lost money.
• 31:18
  This time around though, Texas is traveling to Atlanta.
• 31:22
  I think that's going to be a huge advantage for Georgia.
• 31:24
  So I'm going to flip it. I'm picking the Bulldogs to beat
• 31:28
  the Longhorns this weekend in the SEC Championship game and a
• 31:32
  move on to that College Football Playoffs.
• 31:34
  Now, before we move on, I want to take a look at my season.
• 31:37
  Now, I've done 14 of these. Technically I'm 6:00 and 8:00,
• 31:41
  but I did give you a / a few weeks ago that hit.
• 31:45
  That makes me 7:00 and 8:00. But that is still a losing
• 31:47
  season so I apologize to anybody who might have been riding along
• 31:51
  with me and lost money this year.
• 31:53
  That being said, hey, that's the risk you take when you're
• 31:56
  gambling, so I want to leave you all with the best advice I ever
• 31:59
  received. You got no one to hold, no one
• 32:11
  to walkway when run. You don't count your money when
• 32:18
  you'll sit and head table the man time and don't come when the
• 32:24
  demons done. You got nowhere to hold, nowhere
• 32:31
  to follow, no in the walkway and no in the run.
• 32:37
  You don't count your money when you'll sit and head table.
• 32:43
  There'll be time in the count when the deal is done.
• 32:53
  So happy but responsible gambling this weekend folks.
• 32:57
  Now don't y'all forget. Check out my website
• 32:59
  jasonlongmusic.com to hear all of my music.
• 33:02
  Find out when I'm playing live. I've had a ball doing these and
• 33:06
  I'll see y'all next time. Have a good one.
• 33:11
  All righty. So Jason going with the dogs.
• 33:17
  Literally. And figuratively, literally and
• 33:20
  figuratively because the line, I do believe it is like a one
• 33:25
  point favorite. Again, that's another reason we
• 33:27
  didn't do lines this week because I think the biggest
• 33:30
  line, let me look this up. I just want to make sure I'm I
• 33:35
  think the biggest line is 4 this week.
• 33:37
  Let me get up to my GAMBLING SITE here.
• 33:41
  I just want to confirm this. Yeah, I think, I think there was
• 33:44
  a couple 3 and a halfs. It's a 5 1/2 is the biggest line
• 33:48
  this week. This game is Texas 2 and A.
• 33:54
  Half, yeah. That's why we did it this way
• 33:57
  'cause we're just two and a half, 3 1/2, even 55's, not a
• 34:00
  lot. You get to that areas where it's
• 34:02
  basically a pickle anyway, so. With so many teams getting rid
• 34:07
  of divisions, now you're you're getting the, you're literally
• 34:11
  getting the two best teams in in each of these conferences.
• 34:15
  There's not going to be that big of a gap in most of these cases.
• 34:19
  So and when we look at it, you know, a match up like Georgia
• 34:23
  and Texas here that that goes double.
• 34:27
  I'm going back to the well here with my reasoning it it's hard
• 34:31
  to beat A-Team twice. He is.
• 34:36
  Texas, the first time they played in Austin was still one
• 34:46
  of the best things I've ever seen and should be done more.
• 34:48
  When referees buck up calls, just throw beer cans at them and
• 34:52
  eventually they will get together and make the right
• 34:54
  call. That should be done more at
• 34:56
  games. It should not be penalized.
• 34:59
  You know what? Because for honest truth is, can
• 35:02
  we go back to Georgia, Georgia Tech real quick last week, those
• 35:06
  were three of the most atrocious calls I've ever seen.
• 35:09
  One way, the two PIS and the hold, the hold that was not
• 35:12
  called. I think people should be allowed
• 35:16
  to punch refs in faces when they blow that bad of a call.
• 35:21
  I think it's fair. You just hurt my emotions.
• 35:23
  I'm going to hurt your face now guys, how do y'all feel about
• 35:27
  that? Not going to say anything, are
• 35:29
  you? I do kid about that by the way.
• 35:32
  But there is no consequences. It's something that I'll say.
• 35:37
  You put that up there, James, the it's the big A they're going
• 35:41
  to put, they could lose seven games and they're going to put
• 35:43
  them in the year they put a six and six Alabama in is the year
• 35:47
  literally just quit watching college football because it's
• 35:49
  never about what's going on on the field.
• 35:51
  But reality is if y'all had, I know some of y'all listen to
• 35:55
  Josh Pate. I occasionally do.
• 35:58
  Even if he gets in his SEC bag, He is right.
• 36:02
  There is an officiating problem in college and it does need to
• 36:06
  be fixed. But as far as it goes for this
• 36:08
  game, Quinn Ewers first time they played was coming off an
• 36:11
  injury. He is still a little banged up
• 36:14
  but not as bad as he was. Played a great game against A&M
• 36:18
  by the way. They should have blown out A&M.
• 36:20
  You fumble the ball multiple times inside the 10 yard line.
• 36:23
  I think Texas wins by a touchdown.
• 36:29
  Yeah, Texas lost to Georgia once.
• 36:31
  It's not going to happen again. Taking Texas.
• 36:35
  There we go. Hook em, he says.
• 36:37
  Hook Em, Hook em Another another hooker from Tally.
• 36:40
  He'll come from Miranda and we know that Jason is riding with
• 36:43
  the dogs. Jason.
• 36:45
  Jason's on the ledge by himself on this one.
• 36:49
  Everybody else is riding with the Longhorns.
• 36:54
  All righty. So let's take that down and
• 36:59
  let's do a little brief discussion because we are what I
• 37:03
  did want to do. And Shelton, I know we didn't
• 37:05
  get yours, but I'm sure you've got it somewhere jotted down is
• 37:08
  what's your 12's going to be after the weekend?
• 37:11
  We're going to do that in just a second.
• 37:12
  But Brian, let's go, man, because I know it.
• 37:16
  If you've listened to this program for the last five years,
• 37:19
  that's one thing. Brian Siegler hates, I mean
• 37:21
  hates with a passion. And Brian?
• 37:27
  We still see the preseason rankings rearing their ugly head
• 37:30
  this deep into the college football season.
• 37:36
  And I know it's hard to get away from power rankings and stuff
• 37:42
  like that. But when we put out these
• 37:43
  official like the, these are the top 12 teams in the country.
• 37:48
  And the the problem we get is that we base quality of wins off
• 37:55
  of data that we don't really know was good.
• 38:02
  And it just, you know, it's, it's the whole bad data in bad
• 38:06
  data out philosophy. And it takes a while to really
• 38:10
  get to a point where, you know, you can actually make some,
• 38:15
  some, some some solid inferences from the, the winds that you're
• 38:20
  seeing on the field. And, and we end up making a lot
• 38:24
  of those inferences in September.
• 38:26
  And those really aren't telling us a whole lot.
• 38:30
  So now we're at a point where, you know, Alabama still hanging
• 38:34
  around with three losses. Two of them are, I would
• 38:36
  consider bad losses to, to teams that barely scraped into a bowl
• 38:40
  game this year in Oklahoma and and Vanderbilt.
• 38:42
  And Vanderbilt definitely is a better team than I think a lot
• 38:46
  of people gave them credit for, full stop.
• 38:48
  But they are still a team that is 6 and 6.
• 38:52
  Oklahoma is still a seven and five team that, you know, got
• 38:57
  blown out by a, a couple of average to, to, to slightly
• 39:02
  above average teams throughout this season.
• 39:04
  So to go in there and just curb stomp Alabama, that, that that's
• 39:11
  a bad loss for them. And, and I think that the
• 39:13
  problem that we have with we, we talked about it last year.
• 39:17
  We're we're talking about it again this year.
• 39:19
  Is that with the, the problem with the committee in general is
• 39:22
  that number one, I think they still do.
• 39:26
  Even though they don't put their rankings out until later, they
• 39:28
  are still colored and shaded by what pre season rankings are.
• 39:34
  And add to the fact that I don't think they give losses and the
• 39:42
  on the field outcome enough weight compared to the eye test.
• 39:49
  I feel like so much is eye test and OK, well, you know, who did
• 39:55
  you play? And, and, and it's kind of funny
• 39:57
  because we were looking at I think we were looking to
• 39:59
  strength of schedule, Curtis and you know, we compared I think it
• 40:04
  was SMU in Alabama and they're like 70 and 71 or something like
• 40:08
  that. You.
• 40:08
  Were you weren't? You weren't looking at that.
• 40:10
  You were looking at something else.
• 40:11
  You were looking at another metric.
• 40:13
  It was not strength of schedule. I don't know what you were
• 40:15
  looking at. Shelton might know.
• 40:18
  Anyway, there there was a metric we were looking at that that had
• 40:21
  them, you know, within, within a margin of each other.
• 40:26
  And, and, and when we look at some of the other pieces here,
• 40:29
  like when we look at, like I said, Alabama in particular, but
• 40:36
  they're, you can make a case for, for, for some of these
• 40:38
  other teams as well as that, you know, we, we need to I think
• 40:43
  penalize teams for bad losses more than we are and more than
• 40:47
  the College Football Playoff has historically.
• 40:50
  Losses in general. Yeah, losses in general, but bad
• 40:53
  losses even more so. So that that's my soapbox.
• 40:57
  I'll let I'll pass it on to Curtis and Sheldon here to to to
• 41:01
  add their two cents here. Well, I want to pitch to Shelton
• 41:03
  because Sheldon, you're our, you're our dad on stats guy.
• 41:07
  Do you believe there is something out there that is an
• 41:10
  unbiased metric that's not looking at polls?
• 41:13
  What do you feel like if if you were, if they called you
• 41:17
  tomorrow, somehow they, they, they found this and they found
• 41:21
  this as a smart kid. Let's put him in charge.
• 41:24
  Is there a certain metric or is there a certain data point out
• 41:27
  there? Do you say that could be the
• 41:31
  beginning of the methodology right here?
• 41:34
  Honestly, look, there's no such thing as a perfect stat.
• 41:36
  Like at the end of the day, you know, there's always going to be
• 41:39
  different numbers that can portray something a different
• 41:41
  way. You know, you could look at, you
• 41:43
  know, top 25 wins or strength of record, strength of schedule.
• 41:46
  Like it's just, you know, when you're dealing with numbers and
• 41:49
  stats, there's always a different way you can present
• 41:51
  something. And so I, I certainly don't envy
• 41:53
  the, the position of the committee just because there's
• 41:55
  only, you know, 12 teams, A12 game season, pretty limited
• 41:58
  sample size. If we just don't have the body
• 42:00
  of work to really, I guess, hash out a, a true representation of,
• 42:05
  of what each team really is. Because, you know, I, I saw
• 42:08
  David Hale there, they had this tweet where he, you know, made a
• 42:11
  case for why every top 20, top 25 team was actually bad, you
• 42:14
  know, looking at all their bad losses and they're, you know, if
• 42:17
  they have a bad check of the schedule and so forth.
• 42:18
  So I mean, I mean, everyone kind of beats everyone in college
• 42:21
  football. So at some point you do have to,
• 42:22
  you know, kind of acknowledge that.
• 42:23
  But, you know, I guess to answer the question, you know, I'm a
• 42:26
  big fan of strength of record, looking at the overall quality
• 42:29
  of wins in, in terms of a qualitative judgment.
• 42:31
  You know, I don't like looking at, say, for instance, win loss
• 42:35
  record versus top 20 teams or Top 40 teams or, you know, wins
• 42:39
  over 500 because that's a very narrowly defined subset.
• 42:43
  And it is sort of like a, you know, self self fulfilling
• 42:46
  prophecy. If you beat a team that finishes
• 42:49
  five and seven, you don't get credit for A500 win, but if you
• 42:52
  lose to them, they're six and six and that counts as a loss.
• 42:54
  So you know, that kind of makes itself.
• 42:56
  So I mean, there's ways I think, I think with, you know, today's
• 42:59
  analytics and everything, like there's ways you can have, you
• 43:01
  know, much better judgments for evaluating teams, again, like
• 43:05
  strength of record. But I just think it, it just
• 43:09
  seems like, you know, people, people are always going to be
• 43:11
  unhappy, I guess. And so I don't, you know,
• 43:14
  necessarily criticize the committee too much.
• 43:16
  But I do think in general, they tend to sort of work backwards
• 43:20
  from their conclusions. Like they work backwards from
• 43:23
  like, OK, what is the best SC team?
• 43:25
  And let's try to, you know, vouch for them and they'll,
• 43:28
  they'll look at anything, any stat that would that justifies
• 43:31
  their argument, they'll, they'll go with that.
• 43:32
  So I don't know. I, I just don't think they have
• 43:34
  a very clear process for how they kind of evaluate things.
• 43:36
  It kind of changes every year. Well, you know what I dislike
• 43:39
  and it and it happened tonight with the committee chair is data
• 43:43
  value different things for different teams.
• 43:45
  That's where I get upset. Like this is they're really good
• 43:49
  because of this. Well, they're better than them
• 43:51
  at that. Oh, well, that we're not going
• 43:53
  to look at that. We're going to look at this for
• 43:54
  this one and then this for this one.
• 43:55
  It's like, So what you're saying is your real goal is you want
• 44:01
  the biggest brands in. That's all they should say.
• 44:03
  I wish they would just say it. If they just fucking say it.
• 44:06
  Hey, is what it is. We get it.
• 44:08
  Hey, remember when we were in school and there was like, you
• 44:11
  know, you'd write a paper and there'd be a fucking rubric for
• 44:13
  the paper, right? Yeah, give me a fucking college
• 44:16
  football rubric and give me all right, this is weighted this
• 44:20
  many points. This is weighted this many
• 44:22
  points. So at least we can understand
• 44:24
  the process. And because when you when you
• 44:29
  have a boy more transparent process, you can at least say,
• 44:32
  OK, well, you can point to this and say This is why this team is
• 44:35
  better. You might not agree with it, but
• 44:37
  there is at least a justification behind that.
• 44:40
  It's not moving the goal post. It's not whatever the dollars
• 44:44
  and the ayes say. It's at least a very fixed
• 44:48
  matter of getting to the end point there.
• 44:52
  You're on mute, Curtis. But here's the thing, if they
• 44:57
  did that in the beginning, then they couldn't justify certain
• 45:00
  teams because if one people in the the bad metrics and it's
• 45:04
  like, Hey, that's what you said you'd go by and we really like
• 45:07
  that team. We leave that team in like, no,
• 45:09
  but I'm with you, Brian. If you actually were to put a
• 45:13
  rubric out there like that and have everything in the way it's
• 45:16
  weighted, then there'd be no questions.
• 45:18
  Because then also as certain people fell into certain
• 45:22
  rubrics, they couldn't back off of it be like, no, this is this
• 45:25
  is your methodology. This is what you're saying is
• 45:28
  going to determine the best 12 teams.
• 45:32
  Yeah, there's always going to be that like 1 anomaly team that
• 45:35
  doesn't has a really good record, but doesn't check very
• 45:39
  many boxes. And then on the on the flip
• 45:41
  side, there's going to be a team that may not have the best
• 45:45
  record, but they check a handful more boxes.
• 45:48
  And this at least gives you kind of a step by step way of
• 45:53
  justifying putting that one team in over the other or vice versa.
• 45:58
  Because right now we, it feels like we're cherry picking
• 46:01
  whatever stat we we can to get the, the lowest SEC team in that
• 46:08
  still has a chance into this thing every year, whether it's
• 46:11
  four or or 12. 100% I am looking currently at the AP poll at the
• 46:20
  beginning of the season. Let's see how good they were.
• 46:24
  You all ready? Yep, Georgia was number one.
• 46:29
  They've had a solid season. Ohio State Say what you will,
• 46:34
  they've won 10. Games.
• 46:35
  Both of those are within the margin of error.
• 46:37
  Right margin of error. Marriage and error.
• 46:39
  Oregon ranked number three. Yeah.
• 46:43
  Texas #4 Alabama's five. Ole Missus 6.
• 46:49
  Notre Dame 7. Penn State 8.
• 46:51
  This is where it gets fun. Brian #9 y'all remember who the
• 46:55
  number 9 team was this year? This is the number Michigan.
• 47:00
  Michigan. OK, Florida State was 11, right?
• 47:04
  Florida State was 10. Florida State was 10.
• 47:06
  OK. OK, so there's that value where
• 47:09
  you're talking about now Florida State within the first month, no
• 47:13
  one value to win over them, might even do the doors off
• 47:15
  them. But you know what I could say?
• 47:17
  Well, they were top ten at one point.
• 47:19
  Shouldn't that matter? No, no, no, that doesn't matter.
• 47:22
  Guess who 11 was? And this one's going to piss you
• 47:24
  off. Who's that?
• 47:28
  Missouri and Missouri still ranked 25th.
• 47:33
  Then we get to Utah. Bad season for the utes LSU fell
• 47:37
  out of the top 25 with losses. Clemson still hanging in
• 47:40
  Tennessee. Great season after being ranked
• 47:43
  15th. Oklahoma was preseason ranked
• 47:45
  16th. Oklahoma State was 17th.
• 47:53
  They didn't want a conference game.
• 47:56
  They didn't want a conference game.
• 47:58
  Beat Arkansas. Arkansas beat Tennessee.
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  So tell me how that makes sense, doesn't It's why you play the
• 48:04
  game on the field and wins the most important Kansas State, who
• 48:07
  just fell out, and then Miami. This is the bottom of the top
• 48:12
  25. Texas A&M, Kansas, USC, North
• 48:16
  Carolina State, Iowa, they basically it's a coin flip if
• 48:20
  they've got any of them, a coin flip.
• 48:24
  And this is where Brian's point always becomes big.
• 48:28
  This is what we're basing things off of.
• 48:31
  This is what we're looking at the beginning, because in this
• 48:35
  sense, Missouri is 9 and three. Missouri is not a, is not a top
• 48:40
  25 team. They really aren't, but they
• 48:43
  stick in there because they started at 11 and they never got
• 48:46
  below 3 losses. We're A-Team like Duke or
• 48:49
  Syracuse. I don't, I know they both beat
• 48:51
  us. Pisses me off.
• 48:53
  They're both nine and three. Only Syracuse got ranked.
• 48:59
  So hey, all right, so real quick, we we've talked about the
• 49:04
  College Football Playoff. Let's lean into it.
• 49:09
  I'm going to start with you, Sheldon, because I don't have
• 49:11
  your stuff up here. So you've got your predictions
• 49:14
  in for the conference championship games.
• 49:16
  What do you think? Just go your top 12.
• 49:20
  Obviously, we can figure out who the four bys are by reading it
• 49:24
  down. Yeah, so bys Oregon, Texas, SMU,
• 49:30
  Boise, and then at large Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia,
• 49:36
  Tennessee, Ohio State, Indiana, reluctantly Alabama, and then
• 49:41
  Arizona State as the final AQ. All right.
• 49:46
  Which if you look at that, what's your most intriguing
• 49:49
  first floor matchup? Let me see Penn State, Arizona,
• 49:54
  Notre Dame, Alabama, George, Indiana.
• 49:57
  I don't know. I guess I'd go Notre Dame
• 50:00
  Alabama because that game is interesting.
• 50:02
  Because if I had to guess, Alabama, Alabama will be a
• 50:06
  slight underdog because they're on the road.
• 50:08
  But if that game were played on neutral field, I think Alabama
• 50:11
  would probably be favored. They've actually under, they've
• 50:14
  underperformed from their metrics a little bit.
• 50:16
  So I, I do think they're, they're probably qualitatively
• 50:18
  better than people think they are.
• 50:19
  But that would be a really, really close game.
• 50:22
  And I do think people are under selling Alvin a little bit.
• 50:24
  I know they aren't what they used to be, but they've still
• 50:27
  got some good football in them. So I'd be, I'd be very
• 50:30
  interested to see what, what would be into made of a matchup
• 50:32
  like that. All right, Brian, what about
• 50:37
  you? All right, so AQ buys, I've got
• 50:42
  Oregon, Texas, Boise, Clemson at large and this is in order of
• 50:48
  rank is going to be Notre Dame, Penn State, Georgia, Ohio State,
• 50:54
  Tennessee, Indiana, Arizona State, SMU all.
• 51:01
  Right. So looking at your core or your
• 51:06
  your first four games, which one intrigues you the most?
• 51:11
  You know, looking at this man, it's going to be, I got a couple
• 51:16
  like, you know, clash of styles here.
• 51:22
  I think my most intriguing is going to be Arizona State at
• 51:28
  Happy Valley Penn State. Hey, White running back
• 51:33
  downhill. Yeah, exactly.
• 51:35
  I mean, it's, it's good. I think that's interesting.
• 51:37
  I could, I could point to Notre Dame and SMU for very similar
• 51:40
  reasons, but I think I'll go with, with Penn State.
• 51:44
  Arizona State, probably least intriguing is going to be
• 51:48
  Georgia. Indiana could be interesting,
• 51:54
  but I, I feel like that's, that's going to be, I think
• 51:57
  Georgia handles them fairly well.
• 51:59
  Ohio State, Tennessee I think is going to be an interesting one
• 52:02
  as well. But in just in terms of like
• 52:04
  thinking of where it is, what the weather is going to be like,
• 52:09
  style of play, it's it's got to be Penn State, Arizona State for
• 52:14
  me. All righty.
• 52:16
  I'll give mine real quick here. So automatic qualifiers, Oregon,
• 52:22
  Texas, Iowa State, Clemson, those are 4A QS.
• 52:29
  Then it goes as follows, Notre Dame, Penn State, Georgia,
• 52:33
  Tennessee, Ohio State, SMU and then UNLV.
• 52:44
  My most intriguing game of those is Tennessee, Ohio State.
• 52:50
  It really is. And the reason I say that
• 52:52
  because if I'm not mistaken, the 8-9 goes to the goes to the one,
• 53:00
  right? Yes, a nine goes to one.
• 53:05
  I'm more intrigued by that game there because a Tennessee is one
• 53:09
  of those places. It's in the hills, it's in the
• 53:11
  mountains, It's cold. There is no effectively
• 53:14
  advantage for a for them with Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio is
• 53:18
  cold. But the question is, can Ohio
• 53:21
  State actually get to the level where they can play?
• 53:25
  And I mean, when I say that, can they get to the level with all
• 53:27
  that talent? That's the one.
• 53:31
  Like, if, if you ask me right now, that would be your Saturday
• 53:33
  night 8:00 game, probably the Notre Dame.
• 53:37
  Look who's joined us, finally. Can can Ryan Day win a big game
• 53:41
  that matters? Who knows, man, But I think,
• 53:44
  hey, he's here. What's happening?
• 53:46
  Tally. I made it.
• 53:49
  You barely. You are barely bare.
• 53:54
  You all good, man? You all good.
• 53:56
  We just get in here telling lies about what the top 12 is going
• 53:59
  to be. Shelter's got Alabama in.
• 54:02
  I got them out. Everybody but have Alabama in,
• 54:06
  they're in. They ain't letting them out.
• 54:09
  They got, they got to have that money.
• 54:11
  They got to have that better money.
• 54:13
  Tally's saying the whole team could get sick and die and they
• 54:16
  somehow put them in. Right.
• 54:17
  They put them in man, once. I once I knew they weren't going
• 54:22
  once they had a couple of convincing wins and I and they
• 54:24
  weren't going to the SEC Championship.
• 54:27
  So it was no way for them to to lose that game.
• 54:29
  I said yeah, they did. As as as soon as I saw them at
• 54:33
  11 and not 12, I was like, they really going to try to get them
• 54:37
  in. They they, they really going to
• 54:39
  get them in. They going to try, they going to
• 54:41
  try their damnedest out. I think, you know, SMU losing
• 54:46
  could throw some some, some some janky stuff in there.
• 54:50
  I think if SMU was behind, who is it behind Indiana?
• 54:56
  They would definitely. They wouldn't.
• 54:57
  They wouldn't survive it. They wouldn't.
• 54:59
  Survive a loss. I think being in front of
• 55:01
  Indiana, it's going to be interesting.
• 55:02
  It's. Going to be interesting because
• 55:04
  do you drop like in my position here I got UNLV, do you drop
• 55:09
  them two spots? That's it.
• 55:13
  You got you got UNLV jumping I and I.
• 55:16
  I get what you're doing. I don't foresee that scenario.
• 55:19
  Well, again, I looked at that game from earlier this season
• 55:22
  and when you hold Janetti to under 4 yards, you carry.
• 55:25
  I think they can do it again and that's why I think they can pull
• 55:28
  the upset because again, they got to beat them twice in the
• 55:30
  same seat. Yeah, and that's the thing
• 55:34
  that's. Oh, go ahead.
• 55:36
  No. No, go ahead.
• 55:38
  I'll just say that's the thing like about Texas and Texas and
• 55:43
  Georgia, you know what I'm I'm saying it's like you got to play
• 55:48
  somebody twice. It's in the season.
• 55:51
  It's rough to beat you somebody twice, you know what I'm saying?
• 55:54
  But both of. Oh oh, we lost your mic tally.
• 56:00
  We got the Alabama buffer. Going y'all lose me?
• 56:02
  We lost your mic. That was weird.
• 56:04
  Like you're still moving normal and everything.
• 56:07
  Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
• 56:08
  I mean, and, and, and, and I don't know if you got a chance
• 56:11
  to get your who you think the 12's going to be.
• 56:13
  Obviously Alabama's going to be #11 or #12 per you.
• 56:17
  Let's just put that on there Is you're looking kind of that in
• 56:22
  your head about what could break out because you've got, let me
• 56:25
  just put it up here, tally, just so you can get your points in
• 56:27
  the air because you got Texas winning, you got Clemson
• 56:31
  winning. You got found it out here.
• 56:35
  You got Arizona State winning, you got Boise winning.
• 56:38
  So you're saying boys is going to get a buy?
• 56:41
  Yeah, I think boys are going to win and get a buy.
• 56:43
  Boys are wins and gets a buy and you got Oregon.
• 56:47
  So I mean, as you look at the other teams that are going to
• 56:51
  make it, do you think I'll ask you this, do you think it's
• 56:54
  going to be Notre Dame, Alabama on that on the 20 or 21st?
• 56:59
  Are they going to make that game that the the like the prized
• 57:04
  game of the week? Probably.
• 57:06
  I mean, that's, that's, that's a good, yeah, that's a good set
• 57:11
  up, you know what I'm saying? Because you're bringing two big
• 57:15
  money markets together and that's what they want.
• 57:19
  And it's got some history. Even though Manti Te'o's
• 57:23
  girlfriend wasn't real and I think the last time they played
• 57:25
  each other and all of that. But yeah, that they want, they
• 57:30
  want something like that. That's we'll probably see
• 57:33
  something like that. And that stuff we expect as fans
• 57:36
  to that stuff. That's one reason we all get
• 57:38
  excited about the playoff, that a a lot more teams have the
• 57:41
  opportunity to get a chance to go play, potentially win and
• 57:45
  then the big matchups. And then it's going to be big
• 57:47
  matchups not at bowl games, but at home fields.
• 57:51
  Because tally it. It was like 56 down there today.
• 57:54
  It was like 21 up in South Bend. It's probably like 15 there
• 57:58
  tonight and that I think they make.
• 58:00
  That no, it was like, it's like 39 here.
• 58:04
  That was during the day. Yeah, it's like 30.
• 58:08
  I think it got up to like 42. It's been cold.
• 58:15
  Hey, it's cold here too, man. We What do we do?
• 58:19
  Here. I'm I'm wearing layers.
• 58:21
  If I'm wearing layers, it's cold out.
• 58:23
  It's. Cold.
• 58:24
  It's cold. All right.
• 58:26
  Yeah, There you go. That's the way.
• 58:28
  That's the way a lot of people are feeling right now, Robbie.
• 58:31
  So you put it out there. Tally, tally, Robbie's on board
• 58:33
  with you here. Yeah, Think we'll let him loose.
• 58:36
  All right, well, let's get to it.
• 58:38
  We went through big screeners. We talked about the playoff.
• 58:41
  Let's get to what happened on Saturday night at Lane Stadium.
• 58:43
  Let's do a little tell the truth on Tuesday and y'all tell me
• 58:49
  tell me what y'all feel. I don't care who starts and what
• 58:51
  it's about. Just tell me what you feel.
• 58:53
  We go six and six. We make a bowl again.
• 58:56
  Yay. Guess I'm happy about that.
• 58:59
  Me and tally people get probably roasted us all them too, dummy
• 59:02
  Say UVA was going to win. I'm Yeah what we were in our
• 59:06
  feelings last week. Yeah, that's all I'm going to
• 59:08
  say. We were in our fields last week
• 59:10
  so but. What everybody forgot for a
• 59:13
  second that UVA is ass. There you go.
• 59:15
  But what in what in y'all's opinion?
• 59:18
  Y'all love Saturday night? What went well for y'all?
• 59:21
  I love seeing the two best players on the team eat one last
• 59:26
  time. APR facial tube.
• 59:31
  Love seeing that. Sheldon, what about you?
• 59:36
  Man, well, I missed, I missed a good check of the first half.
• 59:40
  I caught most of the second-half.
• 59:41
  I did. I did rewatch the majority of
• 59:43
  the first half a couple days ago, but I don't know, I mean, I
• 59:45
  thought I thought Pop was really good.
• 59:48
  They it seemed like they kind of structured the passing game
• 59:51
  around the strengths, you know, kind of mostly rolling them out,
• 59:54
  you know, quick reads, nothing too complex and deep shots to
• 59:58
  kind of protect him a little bit.
• 59:59
  So I thought Bowen did a really good job of kind of managing the
• 1:00:01
  game with Pop and they kind of maximize, maximize the skill
• 1:00:05
  sets. Yeah, deep shots, RP OS
• 1:00:09
  rollouts, I mean, that was basically basically what they
• 1:00:13
  went with. And they I mean, it was a it was
• 1:00:15
  a key to success and they did a good job executing.
• 1:00:17
  And I think pop the, the one thing I noticed about pop is in
• 1:00:21
  in this is I think even better compared to, you know, what we
• 1:00:25
  saw the week before with the week of practice against the UVA
• 1:00:30
  team. So we'll, we'll caveat it there.
• 1:00:34
  Pretty decisive with with whether it was running the
• 1:00:37
  football, whether it was keeping it, whether it was getting the
• 1:00:40
  ball out of his hands on the RPO.
• 1:00:43
  He he made decisions pretty quick and kind of rode with
• 1:00:46
  that. It wasn't any second guessing or
• 1:00:50
  pussyfoot did the back feel like when when he made a decision to
• 1:00:53
  do something he did it. Kylie, what about you, man?
• 1:00:57
  What? What caught your eye Saturday?
• 1:00:59
  Sitting there at the hell? Probably eating some leftovers,
• 1:01:03
  having a drink. Yeah, no, a little bit of that,
• 1:01:07
  a little bit of none of that. But yeah, just they mainly, it
• 1:01:13
  was like they knew they was better than UVA.
• 1:01:15
  They went out and and played like they were better.
• 1:01:18
  Like the coaches coached like they weren't scared.
• 1:01:20
  They coached like they knew they was going to win.
• 1:01:22
  The players act like they knew they were going to win.
• 1:01:25
  We just went in the game and played, you know what I'm
• 1:01:27
  saying? If we went into some other games
• 1:01:30
  like that instead of being like, well, shoot, we can't do this
• 1:01:33
  because this person might get hurt or we can't do this because
• 1:01:36
  we may lose. We probably would have won.
• 1:01:38
  So I just feel like they knew they would have better team and
• 1:01:41
  they just went, but they've been doing that like it's it's been
• 1:01:44
  happening. When they know that better than
• 1:01:46
  the team, they go play. If they think it's a chance that
• 1:01:49
  we could lose, we get a hold on, we might shouldn't do that.
• 1:01:53
  We may should try this. I don't know, man, but what went
• 1:01:59
  well where we just knew we were better than them and we went and
• 1:02:01
  played like it. Tally we, we've talked about
• 1:02:03
  this a lot with like the confidence of this team and
• 1:02:06
  maybe even specific players too. When this team plays with
• 1:02:08
  confidence, whether it's players coaches, they're a different
• 1:02:13
  team. They, they, they look like what
• 1:02:15
  we expected them to be from the start of the season to the end
• 1:02:19
  of the season, when they play with that type of confidence and
• 1:02:21
  when they coach with that type of confidence.
• 1:02:23
  And you know, we talked about some games them getting
• 1:02:26
  conservative on offense and defense.
• 1:02:27
  And we didn't really, you know, when, when UVA started moving
• 1:02:31
  the football on defense against our defense, I mean, we didn't
• 1:02:35
  hold back on offense. We, we, we leaned on what we do.
• 1:02:38
  Well, we got up there, got another touchdown, put the game
• 1:02:41
  out of reach. And, and that's, that was that.
• 1:02:44
  I think we we didn't overthink it like we have in some of those
• 1:02:48
  other games where, you know, the asshole is a little tight and
• 1:02:52
  we're not playing with that type of confidence or coaching with
• 1:02:55
  that type. Of confidence.
• 1:02:56
  I love what you said, Tally right there about how when we
• 1:02:58
  know we're better than a team, the confidence shows.
• 1:03:01
  When we think about it, we have moments, but we also in those
• 1:03:06
  moments, there are some moments where it's just like go to
• 1:03:08
  Miami, 17 1/2 point underdogs. And we just played in that
• 1:03:14
  throughout that whole game, even up to the last Hail Mary throw.
• 1:03:19
  We can win this game. We can win this game.
• 1:03:21
  Go to parts of the second-half of Vanderbilt way back in
• 1:03:24
  August, Think about it. And oh man, this isn't good.
• 1:03:28
  And then the second-half starts rolling.
• 1:03:29
  It's like we can win this game. And then what happens?
• 1:03:31
  We have one bad thing and then it just snowballs.
• 1:03:35
  And that to me is on coaching more than it is kids.
• 1:03:38
  These are 17 to 23 and some 24 year old guys out there.
• 1:03:44
  Again, Sheldon, you're like 25. You're just you're getting past
• 1:03:47
  that age. 26 Don't tell me short.
• 1:03:49
  You know, I was telling you a little bit younger, but you're
• 1:03:52
  26. And The thing is, everybody has
• 1:03:55
  that when you're in your 20s. You can have you can, you can
• 1:03:57
  have everything going for you in the world.
• 1:03:58
  And then one bad thing happens and it you up, straight up,
• 1:04:02
  whether it be a bad grade fight with your girlfriend, fight with
• 1:04:06
  a friend, it can match you up. And these guys are asked to do
• 1:04:09
  this every week. I'm going to go same route.
• 1:04:11
  Brian, you mentioned APR 8 because he was creating chaos. 3
• 1:04:16
  sacks should have got that phone.
• 1:04:18
  I'm still trying to figure out how he did not get that fumble
• 1:04:20
  recovery in my life. But I'm going to ask you all
• 1:04:23
  this. To me, there's a Pantheon or a
• 1:04:27
  Rushmore, 4 defensive ends in Virginia Tech history that go up
• 1:04:30
  there. Bruce Smith, Corey Moore, Daryl
• 1:04:37
  Tap, and I'm blanking on the guy from Lynchburg to play the
• 1:04:40
  glass. Brown, Cornell Brown.
• 1:04:43
  With the seasons he's had, I love Daryl Tap.
• 1:04:47
  We've interviewed him. Does he bump Daryl Tap off to
• 1:04:50
  Rushmore and is he effectively the defensive end?
• 1:04:52
  Rushmore. I mean you can definitely make
• 1:04:58
  that argument. I think if if he played one more
• 1:05:01
  season for the Hokies it would be a no brainer.
• 1:05:03
  If he even if he had a season like last year compared to this
• 1:05:07
  year, I think you'll be a no brainer.
• 1:05:09
  I think we're just looking at the the the two year sample
• 1:05:12
  size. You can make it argue it.
• 1:05:14
  I don't know if it if it quite gets there, but you can
• 1:05:16
  definitely make an argument. I think for him, because of the
• 1:05:21
  transfer portal and stuff, because most of the other guys
• 1:05:23
  came in and being like you want to say it's just because their
• 1:05:28
  college career, but it also has to do kind of how to get drafted
• 1:05:32
  and then what they do after they get drafted.
• 1:05:33
  So for him going to Florida, then coming back to Virginia
• 1:05:37
  Tech through the transfer portal, and like Brian had said,
• 1:05:40
  if he had one more season, but he doesn't, I think it'll come
• 1:05:43
  down to where he gets drafted in most like Hokey's heads.
• 1:05:47
  Like if he goes first round or high second round, I think
• 1:05:51
  people would be like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:54
  If he slips down to the third round or, or whatever the case
• 1:05:57
  may be, you know, then people will be like, you know, they
• 1:06:01
  won't really think about it. But if he goes high, like, you
• 1:06:04
  know, some are predicting he will, then I think people would
• 1:06:07
  100% go, yeah, he's he's there. You know, you got to bump this
• 1:06:11
  person off whoever, anybody besides Bruce, you know what I'm
• 1:06:15
  saying? Like most people would say.
• 1:06:17
  But that's just my opinion. Your music, Curtis.
• 1:06:28
  Oh, I thought it was me. No, tell him you.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, yeah. So what was the what's the
• 1:06:34
  problem I was researchers on? Defensive end don't watch more
• 1:06:38
  tech Smith or more. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:06:44
  I don't know if I'm qualified because I wasn't around for the
• 1:06:46
  glory days of BT football. So like my, you know, my top
• 1:06:51
  defensive ends are like obviously APR and then outside
• 1:06:54
  of that, I mean. Can a Kingdom?
• 1:06:57
  Yeah, it can. Who?
• 1:06:59
  I mean, who Trayvon. I mean Trayvon Hill, honestly,
• 1:07:01
  like if you're just talking my time frame of watching BT
• 1:07:03
  football, that like that's who that's who'd be the Mount
• 1:07:06
  Rushmore. My daddy, Daddy.
• 1:07:08
  Daddy. Yeah, daddy.
• 1:07:10
  So I mean, there've been a handful of decent ones, but
• 1:07:12
  yeah, I'm just not. I mean, obviously, you know,
• 1:07:14
  Corey Moore, I don't know, I I just, I just wasn't around for
• 1:07:18
  the glory days. So I don't know if I can really
• 1:07:19
  comment. I love putting you always.
• 1:07:22
  Sheldon's always gets to throw that out every time.
• 1:07:24
  He's I was, I was like 3. I don't know.
• 1:07:27
  Yes, yeah. So in Sheldon's eyes, he gets 2
• 1:07:29
  spots, he gets two. He gets 2 spots on Mount
• 1:07:32
  Rushmore because he's so, you know, he's young, he hasn't seen
• 1:07:35
  a a lot of, you know, defensive ends, but he.
• 1:07:39
  Absolutely say they have to be there because of all the
• 1:07:41
  accolades. Then APR gets 2 spots.
• 1:07:44
  All right, where do y'all? Where do y'all want us to go for
• 1:07:48
  a bowl? Birmingham, Birmingham tell.
• 1:07:52
  Them tally. Tell them tally.
• 1:07:56
  Tally Walton. Just so Bolton.
• 1:07:58
  I don't want to go back to Fenway.
• 1:08:00
  Fuck Fenway. We've never been to Fenway.
• 1:08:04
  I don't want to go to Fenway. I don't.
• 1:08:06
  Want to go to Fenway? I could probably.
• 1:08:07
  Get I've been to, say, Yankee Stadium, but I don't want to go
• 1:08:10
  there either. I've seen somebody.
• 1:08:13
  One of the predictions had us like against West Virginia
• 1:08:17
  somewhere, maybe armed forces ball or something.
• 1:08:19
  Fort Worth, Yeah, I saw. That something like that
• 1:08:21
  probably I mean, I don't know about Fort Worth, but I feel
• 1:08:24
  like opponent like playing against West Virginia probably
• 1:08:28
  would be good for us anywhere they go.
• 1:08:31
  It don't matter if we five and six, six and six, ten and six,
• 1:08:40
  Virginia Tech, Hokey Nation going to show up.
• 1:08:43
  So wherever they put us, they're going to have they're going to
• 1:08:46
  have Hoagie fans that for sure. Curtis said don't rain like it
• 1:08:50
  did last year. Oh my God, first bowl experience
• 1:08:54
  in a monsoon. We're not going back there.
• 1:08:58
  I don't think they're going to send us a Fenway just because
• 1:09:01
  for the simple fact that there's too many other good options
• 1:09:04
  where they can finagle us in. I'll, I'll go with Tally, get it
• 1:09:09
  to Birmingham. So that man go see his team play
• 1:09:11
  this year in person. We had a lot of stuff going on
• 1:09:13
  where we didn't get to make games this year.
• 1:09:15
  Shelton made enough for I think all of us.
• 1:09:18
  But yeah, give me that. All right, let's talk about the
• 1:09:21
  bad because there's there is one thing that went bad in my
• 1:09:25
  opinion. Tony Musket was the only damn
• 1:09:29
  thing they have running the ball and then off of those runs
• 1:09:32
  making some intermediate throws. And it literally took us until
• 1:09:36
  early in the fourth, mid fourth quarter to finally stop it.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah, I was sitting over here drinking my OGD, worried like,
• 1:09:43
  we're going to blow this game. We're going to blow.
• 1:09:45
  They're going to do something stupid because we've done
• 1:09:47
  something stupid all year. And they're going to score a
• 1:09:50
  touchdown. And then we're going to fumble.
• 1:09:52
  And then they're going to score another one and we're going to
• 1:09:53
  get in our heads and we're going to do this.
• 1:09:55
  Game Curtis saw another one score let down PTSD late late
• 1:09:59
  late in the third quarter he looked at the third he's like
• 1:10:02
  we're +2 in this quarter and I feel like shit I'm.
• 1:10:06
  Messing you that like we won this quarter but what?
• 1:10:09
  What else did y'all feel just watching the game?
• 1:10:11
  And I know it's like a 17 point win.
• 1:10:13
  It's like you can't find all the bad in that.
• 1:10:15
  But anything that just pissed y'all off made you want to throw
• 1:10:18
  shit. Yeah, you don't want to nitpick,
• 1:10:20
  you know, a good win like that, but just because we got to,
• 1:10:25
  that's why we're here. I feel like some of the
• 1:10:27
  offensive play calling was just unneeded, you know what I'm
• 1:10:32
  saying? Like a couple of reverses that
• 1:10:33
  we did could have went really bad.
• 1:10:37
  I think we fumbled. One yeah, the green yeah Cam
• 1:10:39
  knocked it out of green. Tan you.
• 1:10:41
  Know we had a couple of times where I just felt like we did a
• 1:10:43
  couple things with that situation because I feel like we
• 1:10:46
  were better than them. We just lined up and you know,
• 1:10:49
  you could, you could use some, some motion and stuff.
• 1:10:52
  But I feel like some of the play calls we just was kind of
• 1:10:56
  throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it's stuck.
• 1:10:59
  And if we were playing anybody else besides UVA, it wouldn't
• 1:11:02
  have stuck. Yeah, and I and I feel like we.
• 1:11:04
  Didn't really that's just right. Like I think that's.
• 1:11:07
  That's the thing. Like, we didn't need to do that,
• 1:11:09
  like, right? Sometimes it was getting too
• 1:11:10
  cute, right? Right, I'd love.
• 1:11:13
  To do I Duke Mayo bowl. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:16
  I mean, Duke Mayo is probably my favorite.
• 1:11:18
  Like non bowl any any bowl that doesn't really matter.
• 1:11:22
  Duke's my favorite so. Charlotte.
• 1:11:25
  Charlotte. Exactly.
• 1:11:26
  We want Charlotte. We do.
• 1:11:28
  Let's see if they'll give it to us.
• 1:11:29
  Let's see if ever get 2 teams into play all weekend.
• 1:11:32
  They flirt with us every year. They'll, they'll, they'll throw,
• 1:11:34
  they'll throw Lane in there every year and be like, hey,
• 1:11:37
  maybe. So, Sheldon, what about you?
• 1:11:40
  Data statistical wise? What went bad on Saturday?
• 1:11:45
  What went bad, man? I don't know.
• 1:11:48
  It's hard to really hard to pick too much.
• 1:11:50
  I mean, I mean 5 penalties for 61 yards, I guess like not, you
• 1:11:54
  know, not great. And then obviously a couple of
• 1:11:57
  big, you know, explosives towards the second in the
• 1:12:00
  second-half. But I don't know, I mean, I I
• 1:12:02
  thought it was a good performance all around.
• 1:12:04
  Like I really don't have any too many complaints honestly.
• 1:12:06
  Like you know you're favored by how, how much should it?
• 1:12:10
  5 1/2, it got down to 5 1/2 like yeah.
• 1:12:13
  And and 1 by 1 by 20. So I just, I'm not going to
• 1:12:16
  nitpick a win like this is. It but a third screen
• 1:12:18
  quarterback. Yeah, third screen quarterback.
• 1:12:20
  Too. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:12:22
  There was an argument going and and I listened to Hokey Hangover
• 1:12:25
  yesterday and like people and people have been saying how have
• 1:12:29
  they hid pop? How have they hid pop?
• 1:12:31
  What did we say at the beginning of the season?
• 1:12:33
  And this is when people don't listen.
• 1:12:35
  We said the best thing that Pop was third string was why he ran
• 1:12:39
  the scout team every single week.
• 1:12:42
  Pop got so many reps leading in the season.
• 1:12:45
  That's why he didn't look rusty. That's why he didn't look funky.
• 1:12:48
  He'd been playing football every week as a scout team
• 1:12:51
  quarterback. Y'all know it was him because if
• 1:12:54
  you saw on Saturday all the stuff he does, it's like you can
• 1:12:57
  emulate that. He can put, he can throw the
• 1:12:58
  deep ball good. He sells fakes good.
• 1:13:01
  So Andrew Alex was like, why is he third string?
• 1:13:03
  Everybody on the Twittersphere? Oh, why is he third string?
• 1:13:06
  Why? Because he's a red shirt
• 1:13:08
  freshman all of y'all. If he had been too deep, y'all
• 1:13:10
  would have been losing your mind is like, why is the red shirt
• 1:13:13
  freshman to back up? That's not good.
• 1:13:16
  If you did that, you'd have everybody would have been
• 1:13:18
  critical of of even using wasting a scholarship on Collins
• 1:13:21
  League exactly. So somebody would have been
• 1:13:24
  bitching about something. I think the main thing is just
• 1:13:27
  his size, the way that he plays. If they're looking for him to be
• 1:13:33
  there for a while, they got to protect him, you know, and you
• 1:13:37
  got to get that nutritious point, that nutrition, playing
• 1:13:40
  in him as much as you can before he sees the field, so.
• 1:13:44
  Yeah. We've seen him late in the
• 1:13:45
  season. I don't even remember what he
• 1:13:47
  looked like at the beginning of the season or even in the
• 1:13:49
  spring. I mean, I knew he's I knew since
• 1:13:51
  high school he was he was a he was good.
• 1:13:53
  He could ball. But taking the kind of hits and
• 1:13:57
  things like that is like it, it, it gets you hurt.
• 1:14:01
  You know what I'm saying? I mean, look at Kyron.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, I mean, is he built for 12 games, right?
• 1:14:06
  Now. So with him, though, he went
• 1:14:10
  from 170 out of high school, he's up to like 190.
• 1:14:13
  He's getting. You wish you had one more year,
• 1:14:17
  right? You wish you had one more year
• 1:14:19
  of him to get more meat on the bone, a little bit of fat, a
• 1:14:24
  little bit bigger. Because I think the way he
• 1:14:25
  moves, it's not going to take that away.
• 1:14:28
  You might. If he can get to 196 by, you
• 1:14:31
  know, start of fall camp next year, 197, you know, you might
• 1:14:34
  feel pretty good about it. Put that man on the steak and
• 1:14:37
  potatoes plan. You know another, you know, 6 to
• 1:14:41
  8 lbs on him. I think you you're in a, you're
• 1:14:43
  in a pretty good spot there. I don't think you ever going to
• 1:14:46
  get him much over 200 regardless of what you do so.
• 1:14:49
  Who's he remind y'all of? Like just say, if you looked
• 1:14:52
  across college football right now, I think they said it during
• 1:14:55
  the broadcast. Who's he?
• 1:14:57
  Who's he remind y'all of? I'll see if y'all.
• 1:15:00
  You really reminds me of Tracy Mcsorley at Penn State.
• 1:15:04
  OK, that's the white. Quarterback like 511, like 100
• 1:15:06
  and 95200 lbs. That's who he reminds me of in
• 1:15:09
  the weight with a better arm. Who Brian?
• 1:15:13
  Who you think? Oh, let me, let me think of on
• 1:15:16
  this for a second. Sheldon.
• 1:15:20
  I'm, I'm going to go back a little bit.
• 1:15:22
  Give give me Denard Robinson. OK, shoeless.
• 1:15:26
  Yeah. Oh, Sheldon, who you thinking?
• 1:15:33
  I don't know. I think he reminds me of Tommy
• 1:15:36
  Castellanos. OK.
• 1:15:38
  The way that he moves, you know, he I think he's a has a little
• 1:15:42
  bit more skill throwing the ball and Castellano, but the way he
• 1:15:51
  he can maneuver and get out of stuff.
• 1:15:55
  He reminds me of him, how he moves in the all right.
• 1:16:00
  I'm going to throw this one up. I can't put him in this
• 1:16:03
  category. He's got some wiggle.
• 1:16:05
  He doesn't have Kyler wiggle. He does not have Kyler Murray's
• 1:16:07
  arm. He has a good arm.
• 1:16:10
  Kyler was a center fielder in baseball.
• 1:16:13
  You got to have an absolute rocket to play center field in
• 1:16:15
  baseball, and he has a rocket to be as small as he is.
• 1:16:19
  So, yeah, All right, real quick, before I got one more thing
• 1:16:22
  we're going to do, tell him we'll get it to you in a second
• 1:16:24
  because I know you got some shit to get off.
• 1:16:25
  You caused a ruckus on Twitter, making people all sorts of mad.
• 1:16:29
  Obviously national signing day is tomorrow.
• 1:16:32
  We have to commit earlier today. Portal seasons open.
• 1:16:35
  We've got 3 defensive lineman already there, probably more as
• 1:16:38
  we were sitting. We're going to come back next
• 1:16:40
  week and kind of unwrap that stuff because there's going to
• 1:16:42
  be probably more portal entries, maybe some other changes.
• 1:16:44
  So ain't no need to talk about it tonight.
• 1:16:47
  But Tally, the floor is yours because you go ahead and put it
• 1:16:52
  out now in spoken word. What you put in that tweet?
• 1:16:57
  No, SO most of the time for the season, of course everybody you
• 1:17:02
  got to have somebody that you got to put a blame on right.
• 1:17:06
  So I just like the debate. I'm not telling people that are
• 1:17:09
  wrong. I just want to hear what people
• 1:17:11
  say because I'm like y'all are telling me that Marv is the
• 1:17:16
  reason we lost all these games and I mean people was giving
• 1:17:18
  good stats. Well, we LED in this game.
• 1:17:20
  Well, we LED in this game. I'm like well, if you look at
• 1:17:22
  the games, it was more than just defensive let downs.
• 1:17:26
  Sure. Marvel wasn't adjusting well in
• 1:17:29
  the third quarter, I agree. But if I'm looking at it from a
• 1:17:36
  holistic standpoint, right, our top defensive player is, I mean,
• 1:17:44
  our top player that gets drafted is going to be a defensive
• 1:17:46
  player and we're going to have more defensive players drafted.
• 1:17:51
  Is that because they were developed well?
• 1:17:54
  Is that because of the scheme worked for them, You know what
• 1:17:58
  I'm saying? And then we had all these pieces
• 1:17:59
  come back on offense. You got everything you wanted on
• 1:18:02
  offense. You paid people big money.
• 1:18:05
  You got every piece back that you wanted maybe besides online,
• 1:18:10
  I guess they may or didn't get some online.
• 1:18:11
  But the pieces that we had you, you got them back.
• 1:18:14
  And we're still 6:00 and 6:00. So people say, well, you had
• 1:18:17
  this defensive, you had APR and you're still 66.
• 1:18:20
  I'm like, yeah, but the offense had as much talent, you know
• 1:18:23
  what I'm saying? I feel like it was more question
• 1:18:24
  marks on the defense then it was the offense at the beginning of
• 1:18:28
  the season and they said, well, people got hurt on the on the
• 1:18:31
  offense. Well, the starting safety got
• 1:18:33
  hurt in the first game, Stroman got hurt the first game.
• 1:18:37
  So it's you just I just don't understand how you pick one and
• 1:18:43
  not the other. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:46
  I'm picking the head man anyway. I'll just tell everybody that I
• 1:18:50
  feel like it's the head man's fault, the games that was that's
• 1:18:54
  my opinion. But if you just say somebody got
• 1:18:57
  to fall on the sword, I just want I was just wondering how
• 1:19:00
  people say it's Kyron's fault and it's Mars fault.
• 1:19:04
  So, Brian? What you think about it, I know
• 1:19:06
  you seen. The tweet that they was killing.
• 1:19:08
  Me, I I saw the tweet. They were killing you.
• 1:19:11
  If we talk about somebody got to fall on the sword and it's got
• 1:19:14
  to be somebody that's not Brent pride and not with Babcock,
• 1:19:17
  right. So we're, we're talking about
• 1:19:19
  somebody down the down the pecking order.
• 1:19:23
  I do lean Marv over Bowen and I'll give you my reasoning and
• 1:19:26
  most of it has to do with it. It's similar to to pride the,
• 1:19:31
  the things that Marv doesn't do well, regardless of game day, I
• 1:19:35
  think Marv doesn't do a great job of adjusting, especially in
• 1:19:39
  the third quarter. I think those game plans have
• 1:19:42
  been been pretty rough. I think that Bowen, even when
• 1:19:47
  things aren't working, he does adjust pretty well or is at
• 1:19:50
  least quicker to adjust to try something new in the game.
• 1:19:56
  But when I look at quarterback performance against linebacker
• 1:20:01
  performance, I think despite injuries and everything else, I
• 1:20:05
  think the quarterback still overall performed better
• 1:20:09
  individually at that position than the linebackers did
• 1:20:11
  collectively at their position. And then I look at the fact that
• 1:20:15
  Bowen can recruit and Marv can't.
• 1:20:18
  He, Marv is a minus recruiter, Bowen is a plus recruiter.
• 1:20:21
  So all that together, I think that puts Marv higher up on the
• 1:20:26
  on the chopping block then then then Bowen in my opinion.
• 1:20:31
  Show you go next. So I've, I've been a little,
• 1:20:37
  I've certainly been more critical of Marv this season
• 1:20:40
  just in terms of, you know, the, the Russian defense wasn't
• 1:20:44
  great. And when you isolate that, it's
• 1:20:45
  pretty clear the linebackers were a major, a major problem.
• 1:20:49
  Linebacker plays just wasn't good enough.
• 1:20:51
  Tech finished 62nd in Russian success rate, which you know, is
• 1:20:55
  not terrible, but again, with how much you returned and the
• 1:20:58
  fact that you had a full year to kind of revamp that linebacker
• 1:21:00
  room, it just isn't good enough. So, you know, I think the
• 1:21:04
  linebackers it it might be a bigger issue with recruiting
• 1:21:07
  than is with coaching, just because you look at a guy like
• 1:21:08
  Caleb Woodson, who was, you know, pretty much, I mean, one
• 1:21:11
  of the best performing guys in the entire room, arguably be
• 1:21:14
  best performing and he's a young guy.
• 1:21:16
  So, you know, there's there's some potential there, but I
• 1:21:20
  don't I don't think they manage that room correctly.
• 1:21:23
  And and that's mark custody, like that's he's got to own
• 1:21:25
  that. So I think, you know,
• 1:21:28
  metrically, you know, there's some nuance there because the
• 1:21:31
  defense did improve from last year and the offense, you know,
• 1:21:33
  kind of plateaued in some areas. But I also think the offense was
• 1:21:36
  dealing with, you know, a limited offensive line and
• 1:21:40
  injuries to key skill players, including the quarterbacks.
• 1:21:43
  So you kind of give going a little bit of the pass there.
• 1:21:45
  I just think I don't think the defense really maximized their
• 1:21:48
  potential. And I think the offense was a
• 1:21:50
  little bit closer to kind of doing, you know, as much as what
• 1:21:54
  they had. So I've been, I've been a little
• 1:21:56
  bit more critical of Marv this season.
• 1:21:59
  I like this because tally. Now I'll say this.
• 1:22:02
  Put up Robbie's. I'll throw this in too.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, Robbie, thank you. That's my what?
• 1:22:06
  But I'll say this to him. Y'all.
• 1:22:07
  Excuse me, I'm eating some presses.
• 1:22:09
  You fine. Another thing that kind of threw
• 1:22:12
  me for a loop is like, OK, if we won, we won six games, right?
• 1:22:17
  So if we won eight games, if we won eight games and we lost
• 1:22:22
  four, we would probably be here in a lot different position and
• 1:22:27
  feel different, especially if those wins came against Miami
• 1:22:32
  and Duke. Yep.
• 1:22:34
  Your defense gave you, if I'm not mistaken, I know they gave
• 1:22:36
  you 4 turnovers against Duke because people say, well you
• 1:22:41
  know, we scored this many points.
• 1:22:42
  I'm like it's OK if you score 35, but what if you can score
• 1:22:46
  50? Like you got to take the layup
• 1:22:50
  points we we had. I know we got 4 turnovers and
• 1:22:54
  won the turnover battle against Duke.
• 1:22:56
  Still lost. We won the turnover battle
• 1:22:59
  against Miami. We won the turnover battle
• 1:23:01
  against Miami and I can't remember how many we had.
• 1:23:05
  We may have had three today, like one.
• 1:23:08
  But whatever the case is, I know we won the turnover battle there
• 1:23:11
  and we still lose. So it's like is the defense
• 1:23:14
  doing enough for us to win? Or is it like it's just to me, I
• 1:23:18
  feel like the defense and the offense never was on the same
• 1:23:21
  page. One would give us some stuff the
• 1:23:24
  other wouldn't. And then I feel like a lot of
• 1:23:27
  times again, I ain't trying to go down the rabbit hole with it,
• 1:23:29
  but this is just my thinking when I'm everything's done and I
• 1:23:33
  got time to analyze. We mismanaged injuries 100% and
• 1:23:39
  I wasn't in, I wasn't in the locker room, but I could on the
• 1:23:43
  outside looking in. We mismanaged injuries on both
• 1:23:45
  sides and we are where we are. So who does that fall on?
• 1:23:51
  Like I just feel like everybody was quick to say it's Marv, it's
• 1:23:55
  Marv, it's Marv. And then what Robbie said made
• 1:23:57
  the most sense to me. Like y'all told me that Pride is
• 1:24:01
  a not y'all, but the world says Pride's a defensive guru, right?
• 1:24:05
  So if my defensive guy is having a problem because he's a young
• 1:24:09
  coach and this is the first time coordinator he's having a
• 1:24:13
  problem, you mean to tell me you couldn't step in and show us
• 1:24:17
  some things that's going to help the defense or hell, Bud Foster
• 1:24:22
  walking around, We can't ask him to come in and run some kind of
• 1:24:25
  something to help. Like, I just feel like it's some
• 1:24:29
  things the head coach should do, could do to help the defense
• 1:24:32
  more than if there is a great offensive coordinator out there
• 1:24:38
  and proud of the defensive coach.
• 1:24:40
  I feel like we would we would benefit more from having a great
• 1:24:45
  offensive coordinator. That's just my opinion.
• 1:24:48
  Now, Curtis, I know you have some stuff that you want to go
• 1:24:50
  with what you got. You're on mute too.
• 1:24:54
  Get off mute first. Microphone, the microphone
• 1:24:56
  lights undone. This is what all of the point
• 1:24:59
  you're making is. There were times this year where
• 1:25:02
  the defense would like that. Opposite way is where there were
• 1:25:06
  times the offense just scored and scored.
• 1:25:10
  It would be like another score. Syracuse.
• 1:25:12
  In the Syracuse game, offense still put up, what, 31 was that,
• 1:25:19
  right, 31. I had to score for your second.
• 1:25:22
  I got 31, 31, right? Yeah.
• 1:25:26
  The offense put up 31 in that game and the defense played a
• 1:25:31
  great first half and then they just fell.
• 1:25:34
  It was never. And Price said it and he said it
• 1:25:37
  and he tried saying this is what his preaching thing is,
• 1:25:39
  complimentary football. We had very little complimentary
• 1:25:44
  football this year. We had very little score,
• 1:25:47
  touchdown, make a stop, go, put a field goal up, make a stop,
• 1:25:53
  pin them deep. We didn't have that.
• 1:25:56
  We didn't have any complimentary football all year.
• 1:25:58
  That's why we're six and six now to this point.
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  Robbie does make a good point. If Marv isn't doing well in your
• 1:26:05
  former head coaches of DC, he should be getting in that room.
• 1:26:10
  How much does he go into that room is the question.
• 1:26:14
  And what we said, he go into that room, where do we see it
• 1:26:17
  more? But I'm like this, I'm like, I
• 1:26:21
  think both need to go because even though I like Tyler Bone as
• 1:26:25
  a recruiter and there are times where he's sitting at the
• 1:26:28
  blackjack table and he can't do no wrong, then there's times he
• 1:26:31
  does it and he busts every single hand in a row where he
• 1:26:34
  cannot put up anything. So, oh, there you go.
• 1:26:40
  That is a good question. Has anybody asked?
• 1:26:43
  Does he stand with it still goes back on pry here for the same
• 1:26:47
  reason Robbie brought up there, because if it prize in the
• 1:26:51
  defense that much and we're still having inconsistencies,
• 1:26:53
  then you know that that's still a reflection there.
• 1:26:58
  It's a it's a reflection on Pry. Now, if he did do that, that's
• 1:27:03
  probably why Marv's going to get the hook.
• 1:27:06
  But I've said this, and I said it after the Syracuse game, and
• 1:27:09
  I'm going to continue to say it. Things have to be changed.
• 1:27:13
  We are were multiple games under 500 in the whole 10 year the
• 1:27:17
  last two years because I give the free pass to the first year.
• 1:27:20
  It probably was the single worst P5 roster in the country.
• 1:27:25
  Think about that. The last, the only argument you
• 1:27:28
  can say is did did we do enough to try to flip it year one?
• 1:27:31
  But as far as? What that What?
• 1:27:33
  We did with the talent we had, that's you're not going to get
• 1:27:37
  much better than. But that was a cultural
• 1:27:39
  decision. That was a cultural decision
• 1:27:42
  that was basically, and we'll give everybody an opportunity
• 1:27:44
  that's already here and put them on there.
• 1:27:47
  The thing that needs to happen is you've got to change things
• 1:27:50
  in this staff. Inexperienced top to bottom is
• 1:27:52
  the killer. Yep, you've got to go find some
• 1:27:54
  old heads. And I don't care if it's a
• 1:27:56
  defensive coordinator, if it's an offensive assistant, if it's
• 1:27:59
  an offensive coordinator, you've got to change the dynamic in
• 1:28:02
  those rooms. You've got to put an old head
• 1:28:05
  that when somebody does some stupid, I mean, we all work with
• 1:28:07
  these people at some point in time in our life.
• 1:28:09
  They're older and you say something dumb and they just
• 1:28:11
  tell you straight up like that's stupid.
• 1:28:14
  Like don't, don't do that again. Now, some might do it in more
• 1:28:17
  gentler ways, but they need somebody in there smacking in
• 1:28:20
  the back of the head, right? Like, no, we ain't doing that.
• 1:28:22
  Why are you going to why are you going to run a cover 2 versus
• 1:28:25
  this? They're going to eat it up all
• 1:28:26
  day or why aren't you going to put a spy on the quarterback
• 1:28:30
  that can run? That was the only.
• 1:28:33
  One, he's the only one running. He's.
• 1:28:35
  The only one doing anything. He was the only one doing
• 1:28:38
  anything Saturday night and it took us 3 1/2 quarters to stop
• 1:28:42
  it. That is I can't deal with that.
• 1:28:46
  I can deal with the quarter. I can deal with the broken
• 1:28:48
  plate, can't deal with the consistencies like that.
• 1:28:52
  The question now goes, as we kind of start wrapping it up
• 1:28:56
  here tonight is when are we going to see the changes?
• 1:28:59
  We're seeing the portal. They're they're doing the big
• 1:29:03
  signing day thing tomorrow starting at like 7:00, which I
• 1:29:10
  think we're going. I don't think there's going to
• 1:29:11
  be any flips. I don't think I think we're
• 1:29:12
  going to sign everybody. But I think I said to I can't
• 1:29:16
  remember. I texted all y'all this or you
• 1:29:18
  this or put this somewhere. There's going to be pissed off
• 1:29:21
  people when they see all the coaches in the room glad hand
• 1:29:24
  and making announcements tomorrow because people going to
• 1:29:26
  be like all these other schools right now are letting people go.
• 1:29:29
  Josh Caddis got kicked to the curb today.
• 1:29:31
  Guy who was a quarterback coach for JJ McCarthy got kicked to
• 1:29:34
  the curb today. Plus, Miles on left, Jamie
• 1:29:37
  Chadwell's leaving, movements happening.
• 1:29:39
  We're just sitting here, oh, we're all good, everybody,
• 1:29:42
  everything's good. No, everything ain't good.
• 1:29:45
  You're an average football team with an above average roster
• 1:29:48
  this year and you epically failed.
• 1:29:54
  OK, so I have some some nuanced thoughts about this.
• 1:29:58
  So you talk about you talk about the assistance.
• 1:30:01
  Look, I do agree that you know, you have to make staff changes
• 1:30:03
  because I mean like there's no choice like you win six and six
• 1:30:06
  make staff changes. But I probably I probably learn
• 1:30:11
  more towards the tally way of looking at this because I think
• 1:30:14
  when you look at the overall body of work, there's just
• 1:30:17
  nothing that this team is really bad at, but nothing that they're
• 1:30:20
  also great at. And so I think you can make a
• 1:30:23
  case for keeping, you know, this assistant of that.
• 1:30:26
  But the ultimate problem is that you have a head coach who's 1
• 1:30:29
  and 12 and one score games and finds a way to lose and finds a
• 1:30:34
  way to snatch snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every single
• 1:30:38
  week. I just don't know that the the
• 1:30:41
  performance of the coordinators has been bad enough to justify
• 1:30:44
  an immediate like, you know, a reactionary decision.
• 1:30:48
  But it's like, it's just this weird situation where like the
• 1:30:52
  the play on the field exceeds the win loss record, but
• 1:30:55
  everybody wants to fire the assistants.
• 1:30:57
  But the main problem seems to be the head coach.
• 1:31:00
  I just, I think it's a weird, I just think it's a weird dynamic.
• 1:31:03
  So let me let me let me go here so.
• 1:31:05
  First of all, no, Brian, because I know you were doing that
• 1:31:07
  listening. So I think the problem that
• 1:31:10
  we're in is we're in a situation where from a buyout standpoint,
• 1:31:17
  it prize the problem. We can't move on from pry right
• 1:31:20
  now so that that we're starting at square 1.
• 1:31:24
  So, so if, if, if that's where we're starting at, then do we
• 1:31:30
  ride with what Sheldon's saying and like, OK, well, they they
• 1:31:33
  haven't been good, but they haven't been bad enough to to
• 1:31:36
  fire them. What's the middle ground here?
• 1:31:39
  Is the middle ground, bringing in a analyst some sort of
• 1:31:45
  experience, seasoned game management analysts that can
• 1:31:52
  work with pride to season some of these problems that we've had
• 1:31:58
  throughout the year in terms of game management, in terms of
• 1:32:04
  crucial decision making in those those key moments in the game?
• 1:32:08
  Because I mean, we talked about it, those those are probably
• 1:32:11
  cost us at least two, maybe three wins this year, right?
• 1:32:13
  It when we look at the, the cumulative effect, you know,
• 1:32:17
  this could easily be an 8 or 9 win team if a handful of
• 1:32:22
  decisions are made better on game day.
• 1:32:25
  So when we look at that, it is is the answer Stan and Pat and
• 1:32:31
  bringing in an analyst like that because you're not in a position
• 1:32:34
  right now to to scrap it again and start from scratch.
• 1:32:39
  That's a good question. Great question.
• 1:32:41
  And that's the thing I don't again, I'm not the one that's
• 1:32:45
  out here beating the drums saying fire pry, but I just know
• 1:32:50
  that I don't feel like Fire and Marv is going to make us win
• 1:32:54
  more games next year or the next year.
• 1:32:57
  You know, I don't I don't I can't definitively say that
• 1:33:00
  because Pryor is still the head coach.
• 1:33:03
  He is the one that's losing. He's the one like again.
• 1:33:07
  And Brian, I know you want to go, so don't forget what you're
• 1:33:09
  going to say, what you what you think about saying.
• 1:33:11
  But it's like if we do bring in a new coordinator, of course,
• 1:33:16
  Oh, he's got to learn a system that's going to set us how many
• 1:33:18
  years back and it's going to do this and it's we're still making
• 1:33:22
  the same mistakes. Who?
• 1:33:24
  And it's a long list of things that went wrong, but who leaves
• 1:33:29
  the quarterback in when his foot is broke?
• 1:33:33
  Who makes that decision? Whose decision was it to not
• 1:33:36
  play Caleb Woodson? Well, whose decision was it to
• 1:33:40
  not play Caleb Woodson early in the season?
• 1:33:46
  Whose decision was it to not get Q Reddish on the field earlier?
• 1:33:52
  You know, just little things like that.
• 1:33:53
  Like I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's the
• 1:33:56
  defensive coordinator, I don't know if it's the head coach, I
• 1:33:58
  don't know if it's the position coaches.
• 1:34:00
  I don't know, man. Like it's just a lot to think
• 1:34:02
  about. And again, I don't want people
• 1:34:04
  to thank anybody who's here listening, who interacts with me
• 1:34:08
  on Twitter. Like I'm not argumentative.
• 1:34:11
  I like to have discussions. So I genuinely was asking like I
• 1:34:16
  see this happening. I just want to know what do
• 1:34:19
  y'all think and why do you think that Brian, what was you going
• 1:34:22
  to say? Oh Curtis, you got some.
• 1:34:24
  You was going. Brian, Brian, I got mine.
• 1:34:26
  I'll let you. I'll let you go first.
• 1:34:27
  Man, so I'm I'm with Brian, you have to make some change and
• 1:34:30
  Shelton, you have to make some change.
• 1:34:31
  If you don't do an overhaul, that's fine.
• 1:34:34
  But this is what you do. You do 3 positions.
• 1:34:36
  The first one is Brian, your point?
• 1:34:39
  You've been, you've been, you've been beating a hammer.
• 1:34:41
  Like if you're not going to make many changes, give him a Jerry
• 1:34:44
  Kill type figure to help manage the games, make decisions, all
• 1:34:48
  that crap. I'm good for that.
• 1:34:51
  I think what you do on both sides of the ball, if you feel
• 1:34:54
  to Tally's point and Deshaun's point, we aren't terrible
• 1:34:59
  anywhere. It really is true.
• 1:35:00
  We're not terrible anywhere now. We're terrible at times, we're
• 1:35:04
  awful at times doing stuff. You bring seasons we're rarely
• 1:35:08
  consistently bad at. Anything.
• 1:35:10
  Exactly. Bring in that older voice.
• 1:35:14
  It's basically let 1 member of the staff on each side go bring
• 1:35:18
  in the older voice who has the experience.
• 1:35:20
  You don't have to name an offensive or defensive
• 1:35:22
  coordinator, but you come in and say, listen, your job is to
• 1:35:27
  improve this person. Your job is to improve this
• 1:35:30
  person. Like, you know, the name's been
• 1:35:33
  floated out there a lot. I love Pearson.
• 1:35:36
  Prelude to death. A lot of people know Pearson
• 1:35:38
  didn't want that coaching job. Let him go back to director,
• 1:35:41
  player personnel, bring in Bob Chute because one Bob Chute
• 1:35:44
  knows the systems. Bob been a safety coach for a
• 1:35:47
  long time. There ain't no learning curve.
• 1:35:49
  He's like 5758 years old. He may not help you on the
• 1:35:52
  trail, but The thing is, if you believe in Chris Marr, if you
• 1:35:56
  believe in Chris Marr can be a good defensive coordinator.
• 1:36:00
  Get an old head in that room with him consistently and
• 1:36:03
  constantly. Other side, same way, bring
• 1:36:06
  somebody in, let go of Stu Holt, Ron Crooks.
• 1:36:12
  What was one of those two guys? Bring in somebody who's seasons,
• 1:36:15
  it's called plays. It can get you out of the ruts
• 1:36:17
  because with Tyler, it's never about when he's not on.
• 1:36:20
  It's when he's off. It's so bad.
• 1:36:23
  It's so bad. So let me let me throw this out
• 1:36:26
  there. You know, we talked about a
• 1:36:29
  Jerry Kill type, but I mean, what this staff is lacking,
• 1:36:36
  regardless of what position they are, whether coordinator,
• 1:36:39
  position coach, head coach, this staff does not have a lot of
• 1:36:44
  head coaching experience on it. One guy and and that doesn't
• 1:36:51
  really count, at least not at least not in a in, in, in, in
• 1:36:56
  the in the meaningful way that we're we're looking at here.
• 1:36:58
  So and and that was a very short tenure as well, correct.
• 1:37:04
  So when we look at that, you know, do you do you two birds
• 1:37:10
  with one stone? You get a former head coach.
• 1:37:13
  That's fine. Being a coordinator that has
• 1:37:15
  that experience. Is that a, is that a half step
• 1:37:20
  where you're still spending the same amount of money and not
• 1:37:22
  having to hire a new coordinator and a Jerry Kill type?
• 1:37:26
  Whether you have the budget for that or not, I don't know.
• 1:37:30
  I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if a, somebody with that type of
• 1:37:34
  seasoning that's willing to be a coordinator underneath a, a
• 1:37:39
  Brent Pry could, could rub off on him and be kind of that kind
• 1:37:44
  of that right hand man from a game management perspective,
• 1:37:49
  regardless of whether they're running the defense or running a
• 1:37:51
  position group or whatever, whatever it may be.
• 1:37:54
  Because I think, you know, I think the biggest problem is
• 1:37:56
  that just this staff top to bottom lacks experience of
• 1:38:00
  managing games because you've got fresh coordinators and a
• 1:38:05
  head coach that never did it till he got here.
• 1:38:08
  It's true. It's true.
• 1:38:09
  I think all of us here, Sheldon, anything you want to add
• 1:38:11
  additional as we get ready to wrap this thing up in the
• 1:38:13
  higher? Mac?
• 1:38:14
  Listen, Mac Brown doesn't know how to manage a game better than
• 1:38:17
  Brett Brown. I'll say that.
• 1:38:18
  So Sean, anything you want to. Yeah.
• 1:38:21
  I mean, I certainly think you could, you know, maybe consider
• 1:38:23
  adding some consultants or analysts and that'd be fine.
• 1:38:26
  But I just think when I, when I look at the data, I'm not seeing
• 1:38:31
  the the justifications for significant staff turnover.
• 1:38:35
  If, if the team had performed up to their expectations, win loss
• 1:38:39
  record wise, like if if the staff had, you know, not bungled
• 1:38:43
  a bunch of games that we were seeing here, 8 and four, maybe
• 1:38:44
  nine and three. I think we'd all, yeah, we'd all
• 1:38:47
  be happy. And the stats would be the exact
• 1:38:49
  same. The data, the metrics would all
• 1:38:50
  be the exact same. But we're nine and three.
• 1:38:53
  So we're thinking, hey, man, it's all good.
• 1:38:54
  Let's keep it rolling it. May not have hit the the heights
• 1:38:57
  we expected, but it's at least kind of the incremental steps.
• 1:39:00
  It's the expectation, you know, levelling out at least.
• 1:39:03
  Yeah. And then the final thing is, you
• 1:39:05
  know, I think text coordinators are paid probably around the 35
• 1:39:08
  to 40 range in Power 5, some in the ballpark.
• 1:39:11
  And I think you got to wonder like if you did decide to move
• 1:39:14
  on, you know, could you make a, could you make a legitimate
• 1:39:17
  upgrade with that salary range? I just maybe you could I just I
• 1:39:20
  don't, I don't know. And it is.
• 1:39:23
  Yeah. And it is risky, you know,
• 1:39:25
  always making those changes because you just don't know.
• 1:39:26
  Maybe it turns out to be worse or or it's a downgrade.
• 1:39:29
  So I don't know. Anything else, gentlemen, before
• 1:39:33
  we put a wrap on this, I think anything tally Brian?
• 1:39:38
  Nope all. Right back up the brinks to
• 1:39:40
  Jerry Kill and let's see what we can do.
• 1:39:43
  I think it's just this, I think we all need to see changes
• 1:39:47
  happen. And I think Shelton, to your
• 1:39:49
  point, because of the way you look at the metrics is if we
• 1:39:51
  went on through, you'd all be happy.
• 1:39:53
  Maybe 6 and 6 was the best thing to happen to basically show this
• 1:39:57
  staff is not going to be the staff that gets us where we want
• 1:39:59
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• 1:40:02
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