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Kardashian Secrets & Royal Rumors with Martyn Lawrence Bullard · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: I have a great show for you today, a great interview,
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  Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine. You will recognize his voice,
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  Speaker 1: his face, his style, and his interior design from famous
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  Speaker 1: people's homes to hotels to all around the world, Martin Ballard.
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  Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence Ballard, decorator, interior designer, TV host. Reality Star.
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  Speaker 2: All those things.
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  Speaker 1: Dog Dad. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Most importantly, the Dog Dad.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Palm Springs Toast of the Town. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad we finally did this. We've been friends
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  Speaker 1: for so long.
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  Speaker 2: I love this intro. You need to be my new PR.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my God. I love it. You know, for
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  Speaker 1: those of you that might not know who you are
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know how you would know, you really
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  Speaker 1: came onto the scene to the Bravo crowd when you
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  Speaker 1: did your show Million Dollar Decorator.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: They first had Million Dollar Listing, then they had Million
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  Speaker 1: Dollar Decorator, and we followed you plus a few others
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  Speaker 1: doing these homes. But that only lasted, what, like one
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  Speaker 1: or two seasons?
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  Speaker 2: Three seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, three seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were on for three years. Actually, it's still on.
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  Speaker 2: It's on Peacock right now. Peacock, yes. Which is wild
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  Speaker 2: all these years later. It was amazing because it was
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  Speaker 2: the first time there was a reality show with real decorators,
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  Speaker 2: with real decorating, with real people ever on TV. So
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  Speaker 2: it kind of really changed the format and the way
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  Speaker 2: people saw it. And, you know, I got to have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we had great people on there. I had
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  Speaker 2: like Sharon Osbourne and people like Daisy Fuentes and Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: Lohan and We had all these kind of interesting people
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  Speaker 2: that actually let me film with them. And so the
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  Speaker 2: public got to see this, not just the usual, you know,
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  Speaker 2: glue gun madness that you see on home decorating shows.
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  Speaker 2: This was real true decorating TV and all the dramas
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  Speaker 2: in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And I think, you know, in doing it, you
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  Speaker 1: have a very unique, like bold style, but then you
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  Speaker 1: make it special for each person. But I feel like
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  Speaker 1: if someone's going to hire you, they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get some bland restoration hardware kind of a look, even
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  Speaker 1: if that's the look that everybody's doing. And has it
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  Speaker 1: ever been hard where you have a client and it's
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  Speaker 1: like you just are not vibing with what they're asking for? Like,
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  Speaker 1: how do you make that work?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The extraordinary thing in my career is that I've
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  Speaker 2: gotten to work with unbelievable people, incredible celebrities, you know,
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  Speaker 2: heads of state royalty. So everybody's got their own vibe,
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  Speaker 2: their own style, their own thing that they want. And
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  Speaker 2: for me, it's been the most important thing to kind
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  Speaker 2: of get into their heads and extract their decorative fantasies. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I've had one or two along the way. I had
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  Speaker 2: an Arabian prince once that wanted to gold leaf his garage.
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  Speaker 2: So when he drove his car in, he was in
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  Speaker 2: a golden glow.
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  Speaker 1: With real gold.
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  Speaker 2: With real gold, which was so mad. And not the
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  Speaker 2: most tasteful experience. But then I've gotten to work with
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  Speaker 2: people like Sir Elton John and David Furnish that have
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  Speaker 2: the most extraordinary homes, the most incredible art collections, and
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  Speaker 2: are extraordinary people. Cher, for instance. You know, when I
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  Speaker 2: first got to work for Cher, it's kind of mad.
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  Speaker 2: She said to me, babe, I want to decorate my
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  Speaker 2: house like a, I want to be a Buddhist behaving badly.
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  Speaker 1: That is a great.
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  Speaker 2: That was my bad Cher impression.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll do it for you. Babe, I want to
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  Speaker 1: just be like a Buddhist behaving badly. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to walk in and be like, what is this? But
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  Speaker 1: I'm comfortable and peaceful.
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  Speaker 2: You got it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy, but amazing. Imagine having somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Was that her beach? Was that the Malibu house?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the Malibu. So imagine somebody saying that
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  Speaker 2: to you. It's so fun to have these mad things
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  Speaker 2: that you can come up with.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And how does it work? Now, obviously, your clients
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  Speaker 1: are very, you know, of a wealthy level. How do
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  Speaker 1: you talk budget with someone?
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  Speaker 2: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is everybody like, the sky's the limit? Or
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  Speaker 1: do they say, hey, I only want to spend... you know, 50,000
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  Speaker 1: on this room. I want the majority to be in
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  Speaker 1: this room. And of course, it's different if you're pulling
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  Speaker 1: out a kitchen versus we're going to paint the walls,
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  Speaker 1: wallpaper and, you know, furnish it.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has a budget at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Even the richest people. I mean, I've got people that
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  Speaker 2: are worth 20 billion right now and they still have
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  Speaker 2: a budget. You know, they still, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: start presenting million dollar chandeliers. You know, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: freak out. So you've got to understand the value of
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  Speaker 2: money and It's really important for me, actually, to give
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  Speaker 2: a service where people understand the value of it at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day. Whether your budget is $ 200, 000
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  Speaker 2: or $ 20 million, you've got to make sure that it
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  Speaker 2: feels right and somebody is actually getting the right value
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  Speaker 2: out of it at the end of the day. You know, again,
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  Speaker 2: I create magic, I create lifestyle, and we give people
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  Speaker 2: new lives because that's what your home can do to you.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it gives you a new sense of who
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  Speaker 2: you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that is invaluable. But there are budgets.
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  Speaker 1: There are budgets.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly. Sad but true.
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  Speaker 1: This is the cover of Sunset Magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And this is you in your Palm Springs home. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That I've been lucky enough to go many times for
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  Speaker 1: fabulous parties during Modernism Week because this is one of those...
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  Speaker 1: Is your home, your home is one of, how do
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  Speaker 1: you say it? Like the historical?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a listed American landmark.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great mid-century house. You know, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: the history of it was, it was originally Roger Moore,
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  Speaker 2: who was one of the great James Bonds. And then
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  Speaker 2: it was Hugh Hefner's. So it was like the playboy
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  Speaker 2: in the desert for a while. Obviously I had to
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  Speaker 2: scrub that pool before I got in it. Actually, one
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  Speaker 2: of the great stories is I was having dinner with
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  Speaker 2: Joan Collins.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in the pool.
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  Speaker 2: You've been in that pool.
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  Speaker 1: I love the pool.
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  Speaker 2: I was having dinner with Joan Collins one night. And
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, I've just bought a house in Palm Springs.
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  Speaker 2: And she went to me, oh, darling, I remember swimming
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  Speaker 2: naked in that pool.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Isn't that divine? I love it. And you guys,
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  Speaker 1: you and your husband, partner, Michael, you've had this house
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  Speaker 1: for quite a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Every time I go there, though, it feels like you
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  Speaker 1: still are doing a little something. How with your own house,
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  Speaker 1: you did it. Every room looks great. Everything is perfect.
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  Speaker 1: How do you just go, we're good? Or when are
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  Speaker 1: you not good? Or how often do you change it?
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  Speaker 2: There is never a finish. I'm never at the finish line.
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  Speaker 2: There's always something new that I've seen that I love
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  Speaker 2: or a piece of art I want to change. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like all of us. Every day we're new people. Right?
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  Speaker 2: You wake up in the morning, you might feel completely
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  Speaker 2: different the way you did yesterday. So my interiors evolve. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a complete spendaholic maniac, so I'm always out buying
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  Speaker 2: something or the other. I've got to work out where
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  Speaker 2: it's going to go in one of my houses. But again,
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I'm a collector. I really enjoy that,
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  Speaker 2: and it gives me great joy to keep decorating.
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  Speaker 1: When have you ever had... Something where they say, just
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  Speaker 1: do it. Just do it. Take this. I love what
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  Speaker 1: you do. And and they're not happy. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: had a like I'm sure it wasn't often, but have
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  Speaker 1: you ever had a time where someone just wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: that thrilled?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've had the odd thing where someone didn't
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  Speaker 2: like a sofa or something along the way. But I
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  Speaker 2: think the craziest story is I did a TV show
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  Speaker 2: in England called Hollywood Me.
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood what?
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood Me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Where I picked up like a kind of a wonderful
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  Speaker 2: deserving person, like a policewoman or something on the street.
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  Speaker 2: And I sent her to Hollywood for a makeover. And
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  Speaker 2: while she was in Hollywood, I redid their home.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: And they came back and they didn't know this was
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. And they're all dolled up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sort of had the hair done and the vagina steamed
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  Speaker 2: and all the Hollywood stuff. And they suddenly come home
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  Speaker 2: and they've got a whole new house. Well, I had
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  Speaker 2: this guy that was obsessed with.
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  Speaker 2: Some rap guy that he loved and we sent him
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  Speaker 2: to Hollywood and he got to meet this guy, Busta Rhymes.
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  Speaker 2: He got to meet Busta Rhymes, but his dream had
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  Speaker 2: always been to live in a castle. Now he lived
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  Speaker 2: in a very small sort of two up, two down
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  Speaker 2: little house, a council house they're called in England, which
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  Speaker 2: means they're sort of subsidized by the government. And so
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  Speaker 2: I went in and turned this little thing into a castle.
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  Speaker 2: Stone blocked the walls. I went to some local auction.
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  Speaker 2: I bought like a, I have to admit, it was plastic,
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  Speaker 2: but like a suit of armor. And I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, it was hilarious. And when he came back,
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  Speaker 2: I was dressed as like a knight, you know, greeting
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  Speaker 2: him outside with my helmet and everything. Well, he walked in. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. And he cried. He was like, this is
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  Speaker 2: the best thing I've ever seen. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Then the wife came. And then she really cried because
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  Speaker 2: she hated it. She was like, what is this? What's happened?
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  Speaker 1: It's my family home.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I look like I live in Legoland.
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  Speaker 3: Legoland, totally.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: It was so dreadful. And it was all on camera.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny because I've seen some of those ones where
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  Speaker 1: they on a budget, whatever. Well, we do a family
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  Speaker 1: room and. And it's rare, but sometimes they're not into it,
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  Speaker 1: you know? And I'm just always wondering, like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: as the interior designer, like someone not loving it. When
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  Speaker 1: you look back at, like, Million Dollar Decorator, which was, like, what, 17,
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  Speaker 1: 18 years ago?
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  Speaker 2: I think the first series was 14 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. When– like, now when you look back at those
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  Speaker 1: designs or remember– Are, do they stand today, or is it,
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  Speaker 1: does it look dated?
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting, actually. Saturday night, this Saturday, I just had
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  Speaker 2: dinner with Sharon Osbourne. And Sharon was on my first episode.
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  Speaker 2: And I redid an apartment for her and Ozzy. They
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  Speaker 2: were moving into Sierra Towers, which is a tower block
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  Speaker 2: building in Hollywood, a famous one, whilst they were redoing
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  Speaker 2: their big house. And they were going to be there
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  Speaker 2: for two years. And so we did it on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And Sharon said to me, oh my God, she said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I loved that apartment. It was so cozy
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  Speaker 2: and comfortable, kind of now on my own. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I wish I had something like that again. So I
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  Speaker 2: looked at it. I went back and looked at it.
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  Speaker 2: I looked at it yesterday. It's the first time I've
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  Speaker 2: seen that show in 10 years or something. And I
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  Speaker 2: have to say, it kind of stood the test of time.
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  Speaker 2: The furniture shapes weren't quite what I would do today. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But it still felt right because it felt like them.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little rock and roll. It was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was the old sort of bat chandelier hanging around
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  Speaker 2: for Ozzy.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So... But in general, I think decorating changes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there are trends that happen every season. But people invent
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  Speaker 2: trends to make money. You know, like, you know, a shop,
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  Speaker 2: Crate and Barrel or Williamson or whatever it is, will say,
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  Speaker 2: this season it's turquoise, next season it's orange. So it's
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  Speaker 2: to keep you buying.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The reality is I don't believe in trends. I believe
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  Speaker 2: that you should decorate to what you love and how
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  Speaker 2: you like to live. And I truly believe that modern luxury,
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  Speaker 2: the most important thing is comfort. So as long as
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  Speaker 2: you feel comfortable, that's the number one rule. So trends
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  Speaker 2: I don't go along with. I like to make the trends.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to follow them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I like a big white, I like white, light, bright,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kitchen that overlooks the backyard. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: I have now. And I know that I want to
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  Speaker 1: do more to it. Because when we came, when we
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  Speaker 1: bought it, it was redone, you know, with the beautiful
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  Speaker 1: white cabinets and, you know, classic beautiful wood floors, white,
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  Speaker 1: everything was painted white. There was no furniture in it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's hard to like make the leap
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  Speaker 1: of going, well, do I do the dining room in
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  Speaker 1: the color drench? But then is that weird that the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the house is just white and bright and
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  Speaker 1: kind of classic? Like, how do you.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that you should have continuity and a flow
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  Speaker 2: in areas that flow into each other.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So if it's open plan, which I think mostly it is, right,
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  Speaker 2: from what I remember, really and truly, you need to
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  Speaker 2: have a palette that flows. But there's ways to introduce color.
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  Speaker 2: Art is really one of the most important ways. And
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  Speaker 2: art is very personal. Art is a real window into
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  Speaker 2: your own personality, which is why I love... When I'm
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  Speaker 2: working with people that have art collections, it's so amazing
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  Speaker 2: because you get to understand who they are almost from
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning. So art is a great way to
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  Speaker 2: put personality in. And things like pillows, you know, pillows
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  Speaker 2: and throws, they're so inexpensive, you can buy a pillow
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  Speaker 2: for 50 bucks. It's a way to add color without
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  Speaker 2: making a big commitment. It's like in your all-white living room,
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  Speaker 2: if you suddenly decide, you know what, how about trying
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  Speaker 2: a bit of navy blue? You know, buy a few
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  Speaker 2: navy blue pillows. Get a navy blue throw, throw it
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  Speaker 2: over the arm of the sofa. Or there's even all
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  Speaker 2: these wonderful sites like Ruggable. You know, I designed a
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  Speaker 2: line of washable rugs for Ruggable. Ruggable rugs are like
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  Speaker 2: 500 bucks. They're amazing. They're indestructible. It's an inexpensive way
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  Speaker 2: to add some color into a space. And if you
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  Speaker 2: hate it, you haven't, you know, you haven't blown your wallet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's great. Now, when you speak about art, how,
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  Speaker 1: what is your opinion of just having the TV change
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  Speaker 1: the art all the time? Does that just horrify you?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the look on my face? I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I love, in today's world, TV's a part of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: You and I both made careers on TV. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we love it. So it's a feature that
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  Speaker 2: you can't hide. It's part of everyday living. And so
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  Speaker 2: I love those art TVs where you sink a piece
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  Speaker 2: of art on the TV and it sits there and
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  Speaker 2: it looks in the daytime like it's, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: beautiful painting or some gorgeous... photo of a zebra or
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  Speaker 2: something I think the ones that flash are very distracting
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's chic I think if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do it stick to one image you can change
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  Speaker 2: the image but don't have it flashing right you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean keep it there keep it there for
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  Speaker 2: a while try and match it to your.
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  Speaker 1: Interior yeah I think I agree I agree with that
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  Speaker 1: and then so what would you say like to someone
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  Speaker 1: who is starting out as an interior design? Like what's
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  Speaker 1: your biggest tip to someone that's like doing it? How
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  Speaker 1: do they approach a client so that it's, we're all
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  Speaker 1: on the same page, you know, and they can kind
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  Speaker 1: of control the client or, or to stick with it.
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  Speaker 1: So they're not being, you know, run over.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really, really important though. So the most
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  Speaker 2: important thing is that when you're dealing with a client, you're,
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  Speaker 2: you are there to try and make, as I said earlier,
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  Speaker 2: their decorative fantasies come true. So you want to get
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  Speaker 2: to know them. You want to understand what they love,
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  Speaker 2: what it is they want. I ask a bunch of questions.
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  Speaker 2: So I ask, you know, what do you like about
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  Speaker 2: your present house or present apartment? What do you dislike
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  Speaker 2: about it? What do you love in your best friend's house?
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  Speaker 2: What's your favorite restaurant? What's your favorite hotel to go to?
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  Speaker 2: All those things become like a little thread that you
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  Speaker 2: can put together and make a tapestry that becomes the
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  Speaker 2: image that is them. Now, when I say what's your
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: favorite restaurant, you know, they may say, oh, it's Spargo
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: or Ciccone's or Pizza Hut, whatever it is. It might
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: not be because of the food. It might be because
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of the lighting. It's the way it makes them feel.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Do they feel sexy in that dim light? Or do
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: they love the color of that booth that they sit in?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So you can suddenly extract all these bits of information.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: And each part is part of the jigsaw puzzle. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that's how you kind of get not only to understand them,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: It's how you get the confidence with them to trust
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you that when you're going to do your presentation that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: actually represents them. Of course, it has to represent you
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: too because they've hired you for your taste. But it
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: has to be part of them. And that's how you
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: get a successful interior.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: what would you do if it was given back?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: happens next.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: every day was.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm not going to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: pull punches.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now let's go back a little bit to how
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you got started. Like, did you have a calling? Were
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you decorating homes at five? Like, how did this become
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a thing where you're like, this is my gift?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I was decorating homes at five,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: but my mom said that she remembers that I used
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to take, do you remember cassettes that were in those
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: little like plastic things?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: One side was see-through, one side was black. Apparently I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: used to take all their cassettes out from their music
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: system and line them up and make houses. And then
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I would take all the doll's furniture out of my
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: sister's doll's house and put it in these houses when
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I was like four or something, crazy. But I didn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: have any idea I ever wanted to do design. I basically,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to follow, my dad had been an actor
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and an opera singer when he was younger. and I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to follow in those footsteps. I'd always loved that
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: kind of theatrical energy. My dad had another idea. He
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: thought it was a very bad idea. It was a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: very hard industry. It was a very hard thing to do.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And they paid all this money for me to have
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this smart education. But by the age of 12, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: convinced him every Saturday to rent me a stall in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a market called Greenwich Market in the south of London.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And I would take my little bit of allowance money,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, $ 10 or something, and I'd run around
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: first thing in the morning with a torch to other
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: people's stalls and see what I thought was pretty. Maybe
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: it was a cup and saucer, maybe it was some
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: silver spoon, sort of a bunch of junk but pretty.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I'd buy it and then I'd put it on my
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: own stall and I'd wait for the sun to come
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: up and the American tourists to come.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And you were 12 doing this?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I was 12. And then I'd spin them a story about,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, the queen just had her morning breakfast
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: tea out of this cup. And, of course, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and I'd sell it at a profit. And it was amazing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And people would be mesmerized by this, like, you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: kid selling this cup that apparently had just been nicked
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: out of Buckingham Palace. So it was wild. I mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'm still spinning those stories now, but it's for a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: bit more money.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That is crazy.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So I did that from 12 until I was 16.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And by the time I was 16, I'd made enough
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: money that I could pay my own way to go
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to drama school. So that summer, I put myself through
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the summer course at RADA, the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And by the time I was 17... I ended up
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: enrolling in the Lee Strasberg Theatre School in London, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I did that. All the time, going to these markets
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and still buying and selling things. At this point, I'd
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: kind of graduated to silver or jewelry, things that were
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: easy to carry, so I didn't have to have big boxes.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And I kept doing that, kept making money and supported
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: myself through all of that. And I didn't realize, but
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that sort of precocious child that was there making money
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and having fun. It was really my education because I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: got to learn what period was something, what was a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: silver mark, what was regency, what was Edwardian, what was Victorian.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And I really got to learn how you put two
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: objects together and make them look better. And that's what
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you do on a store when you're selling in a market.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: You put two things together and you make them prettier.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And that's what you do in a house. You put
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: things together to make a beautiful picture. And that was
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: my education. It's been my only education to this job.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And so eventually, you know, I modeled for a little
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: bit and I did all this stuff and commercials and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: things in England. And eventually when that time was 21,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I thought I'm going to Hollywood, I'm gonna be a star.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: In your early 20s.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: 21. Okay. Moved to Hollywood. And I ended up doing
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: another season at the Lee Strasberg. And then I hit
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the pavement And of course, it wasn't easy. I worked
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in a coffee shop for a day until I blew
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the cappuccino machine up because I was flirting with someone.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Got fired immediately. Just, you know, the usual crazy stories.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Eventually I got cast in a movie called, I woke
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: up early the day I died, where I played Eartha
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Kitt's boy toy. I was like her pianist. It was hilarious. And...
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I befriended the producer on set. And at that point,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really had no money, but I'd rented
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: this really crazy little house, like a little apartment that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: was behind Pavilion's Market in West Hollywood.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And that used to be Charlie Chaplin's movie theater, his movie,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: where he made movies.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: The little house that you were renting?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: No, no, where Pavilion's Market is.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: The little house I was renting, he'd built as a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: dressing room for his star called Norma Talmadge. It's on
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a street called Norma Place now. And Norma Talmadge was
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a great silent movie star. Anyway, this was her dressing room,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and so I rented this weird space. Had really high
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ceilings and small little rooms, because it had been a
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: makeup room and a wardrobe room. And then later, I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: think in the 50s or something, it had become the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: gambling den for Lucille Ball. She used to have all
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: her girls go over there Play cards. And it had
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: been Tallulah Bankhead's Lesbian Love Nest.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: My God.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And then it had been Judy Garland's Little Tiny House
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: when she split from Sid Luft, I think it was.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And she had no money and she moved in there
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: for a little bit. I didn't know that until Lorna Luft,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: her daughter, came one day to that little house to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: some barbecue thing I was having and recognized it. She said, oh,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: my mom used to lean against that tree. Had a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: tree growing through the middle of the house. My mum
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: used to lean against that tree and sing. So this
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: place had this crazy, magical, mad history. Anyway, this producer,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Victor Ginsberg, I told him about it, and he was like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: can I come see? It sounds amazing. So he came
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: with his then-girlfriend, walked in, and he was like, wow,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: this place is amazing. Who decorated this? And I was like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: who decorated it? I said, it's all junk that I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: bought in the Rose Bowl flea market. I said, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I had no money. I just bought these weird things again.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He was like, well, I love it. I want you
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to come and decorate our offices, the Hollywood Filmworks. I
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: was like, my God, I was 22. I'd never heard
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of anything like it before. I went. I basically started
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to decorate. He had $ 30, 000, which I thought was a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: vast amount of money, to decorate 5,000 square feet. kind
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: of hilarious I buy lamps for that these days for
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: people but I mean I managed to do the whole
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: thing again from the flea market I put like old
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Indian doors on the wall and beaten up club chairs
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: from the flea market and it was like a crazy
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it was like out of Africa goes to India via
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Pasadena flea market yeah but he loved it yeah
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and I thought oh my god this is brilliant he's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: gonna put me in another movie well the day it
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: was literally the day it was finished I got a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: phone call from a lady called Liz Heller And she
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: was like, I've just been to Hollywood Filmworks. I love it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Will you come decorate my offices? I'm in the Capitol building.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, the Capitol building? Is that the White House?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I had no idea what was going on.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Turned out she was the president of Capitol Records. Her
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: office was Frank Sinatra's old office. I went over there.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: We clicked immediately. And I, of course, in my crazy
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: 22-year-old brain thought, oh, my God, I can sing. Maybe
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I'll decorate and I'll be singing songs while I'm doing
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it and she'll give me a recording contract and I'll
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: be a pop star. Well, anyway, it turned out I
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: ended up doing her office, doing her house. At her wedding,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: she sat me next to Cheryl Teagues, who was the
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: world's first ever supermodel. By the end of the wedding,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Cheryl hired me. Nine months later, we were on the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: cover of six magazines around the world and my career
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: was born. By the time I was 24, I had
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on my books Sigourney Weaver, Rebecca Romaine, a 16-year-old, Christine Ragalera,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Edward Norton, and Sam Hayek. We were together at that point.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And when did you get to a place where you're like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I need to have people under me? And was that difficult?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know how to balance a checkbook.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I kind of still don't.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: To the horror of my accountant.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: But... Yeah, it was crazy. So I think within a year,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I realized I needed other people, because I didn't know
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: what I was doing. And so I ended up taking
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a partner for a while, and I ended up bringing
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in staff. And it slowly built. And because I kind of,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: by some magic, fell into this celebrity world, once you're
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: in that, one celebrity changes to another, and you get,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it's all word of mouth. And so that's how it happens.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And ended up being, you know, working for Elton and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Cher and, as you know, for the Kardashians. I mean,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that's how we met at one of their Christmas parties.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then we were at the Joe Francis wedding.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: The crazy Joe Francis wedding.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And Cheryl Teagues was there. And so then there was, like,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: another party at her house that I went to. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: then we just, yes, and then you're friends with Lance Bass. And, like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we just kept seeing each other at events and things
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like that and became friends. when you talk about that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you can sing and that you wanted to, was like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I could be a singer too. What is, what was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: your relationship? Cause I, I vaguely remember you telling me
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: this story, but you did have a significant relationship with
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: George Michael, correct?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it dated him when I was like 19 for him. Yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: which was really amazing, because he was a huge star then.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But it was all very hidden, you know what I mean?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He was deeply in the closet. I was in the closet,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I barely knew what was going on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: As a teenage girl, Wham was like my first concert
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I ever went to.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: He was an amazing, amazing man. And, you know, that was,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, we were kids, but it was such a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: fun thing. I was modeling at that point, too, so...
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: We had these things in London when you were a model.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: You got a model pass, which was all the nightclubs
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: just wanted pretty people to come in, so they gave
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you these free VIP passes. And there was a great
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: club in London called Browns. And I, we used to,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I used to go with, with, with my girlfriends, um,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to this particular club where with our model passes get
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: front of the line and straight in. And, and that's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: where I met George and, and it was amazing. It
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: was weird because we sort of looked alike back then. Yeah. Yes, totally.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: It was the 80s, you know, shoulder pads and long
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: curly hair.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And so anyway, it was an amazing period of, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: just a fabulous thing to have happened. Because not only
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was he an extraordinary guy, but I'm such a fan
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of his music. And still, I mean, that man really
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: went too early because he was an unbelievable talent.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And the music videos were like my favorite.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. As a creative person, when you look at
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the creativity that George had and you look at those videos,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: you know, he had Herb Ritt, you know, videographing those
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: extraordinary things and directing them. Those were works of art. Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: True works of art. And he's one of those artists
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: whose music, I'll never forget sitting there one day just
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: listening to him compose.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It was wild.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It just came to him. It was like magic. It's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like watching Shakespeare write. Those songs are still so prevalent today.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I just heard a remix that somebody did of Careless Whisper.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It was so amazing. It felt so fresh.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And the Christmas song is the best ever. Oh, my God.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Incredible.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It's like that and Mariah Carey's are like the two
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: favorite Christmas songs of the last 30 years, you know?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the Kardashians. So how many of the Kardashians'
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: homes did you do? Because I feel like you did
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: almost everybody.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: All of them. I mean, the only one I didn't
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: really do was Kim. We kind of did a fix-up
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: for her bedroom and got some bits and pieces along
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the way. But I did, obviously, first was Courtney, then Chloe,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: then Chris, then Kylie, and then Kendall. It was what?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Kylie's story, which was the cover of Architectural Digest, was.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: How old was she then?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: 21, just.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: So it was like her first kind of first big thing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: She had just made a billion dollars.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Off the lip kits. Off the lip kits.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just pregnant with the first baby. It was her
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: first big real house situation up in Hidden Hills. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: it was pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing to work for
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a 21-year-old with a billion dollars. I mean, I was
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: very respectful of that. I didn't want to run around
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: spending money on crap. I mean, we really did a
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful design for her and a very particular design. I mean,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: it was very personal. Even things like her dining chairs,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: her leather dining chairs were I had the leather custom
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: dyed to match each one of her best-selling lip kit colors.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That is brilliant.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was very, very perfectly done for her. But
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that story, which ended up on the cover of Architectural
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Digest with her in this amazing Marc Jacobs dress, is
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: still the biggest interior design story in history. It got 1.6
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: billion views within the first 36 hours. That has never
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: happened before or again. Power of the Kardashians.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, absolutely. So now, and doing, working with all
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of them, and I'm not trying to make the sisters fight,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but personalities match or working with someone, who was the easiest?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Or who was, did you feel like you connected with
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the best?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Courtney had done kind of a crazy house before
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that was like very mad. And when you're young, you
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: do mad things. When she came to me, She'd seen
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: other houses that I'd done. She'd spent time in those
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Joe Francis houses in Mexico and seen all of that.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And she had really kind of, you know, those guys
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: have been exposed to the best of the best now
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: all over the world. And so she was really already
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: educated into the idea of wanting a more sophisticated home.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And so we really did something beautiful. I got her
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to collect important mid-century furniture. I got her to start
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a real art collection. We went and visited art galleries together.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And so that was wonderful because it was a learning process.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And it saw somebody evolving and their taste evolving. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: she's passionate about design. So that was really fun. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Chloe's fun and wild and crazy. And that was great.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And we did kind of a Moroccan-y thing in her
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: house that was very... sexy and loungy, and that's kind
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: of her personality. Kylie was young, so that was fun
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: in the kind of educational moment of creating a home
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: for a young person that still had real essence. Because
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Kris has got fabulous taste.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Right, agreed.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: But she's mama bear, so she really oversees everybody and everything.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I feel almost like she has the last say in
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: all of it. And so Kris was there guiding the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: train on the tracks with that one. But it was
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: really fun. I tell you the one who has the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: most individual taste and cool taste is Kendall. Kendall's a
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: super cool girl. She knows what she likes. She's got
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: different tastes to everybody else. She doesn't need to follow
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: trends or follow the look of anyone else. She's got
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: her own signature, which she's continued to do in houses
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that she's done. Since I stopped working for her and
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: she moved to other decorators, She's done that because she
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to experiment and see and feel other things and
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: other ways to live. And she's done that in a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of homes and I really respect that about her.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so interesting. Way back in the day,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: before the Kardashians were on TV, I was a realtor
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and I sold Kourtney her condo.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Did you? I didn't know that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And it was a very cute townhome. And Chris was
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: there and she was like, you know, Courtney, you could
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: put this here and this here. And she was just like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and it was just that mother daughter thing where she,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I remember she was like, mom, I'm not making my
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: house look like yours, you know? And it's true. It's like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you know, when you, when you have your own thing,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you just assume like, that's what I like. And, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: as you get older and you are successful as they are,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, then it's really cool that they, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: can enjoy their own style and all of that. But
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what did you think when, like for me, when Kim
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: was with Kanye and we're hearing these stories of how
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they got all the Italian marble and then we're pulling
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: out the Italian marble and there's, you know, there's no
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: color and it's this insane asylum.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Did you ever go to that house?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I never went to that house. I only saw photos
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I went to that house and it was
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: very starved. I mean, it was Kanye. This wasn't Kim.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why I kind of knew.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: It was Kanye-led, for sure. There was very little furniture
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: in there. The pieces that were in there were kind
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of like museum quality. It did not feel livable. It
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: felt very museum-like. It didn't feel like a house that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you bring kids up in, that's for sure. And it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: interesting because Kim has got a really loving, kind of
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: wrap-your-arms-around-you kind of experience, especially with her family. And so
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it was interesting to see it at home because it
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: felt so cold.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting that even someone at her level of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: success can get into a dynamic with a partner where, yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, when they broke up, I was like, okay, good.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Can she now dress herself? I want to see her
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: sexy clothes again. I want to see her kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: embrace her own thing again a little bit because it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like we were all watching it And at that time,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: they were presenting like everything was good. But you were like, really?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And I remember even when the baby was born, Northwest,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like it was in shopping for a gift. We were
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: told like beige, brown, or black. That's it. That's the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: only thing the baby will wear. And I remember thinking,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: this daughter is going to have her own style one day,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and boy, does she now. But it was just– and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way that Kim, who was
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like the most girly girl– is cool with like never
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: allowing her daughter to wear pink or purple or yellow.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, when you're in love with somebody,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you get immersed in their world, immersed in
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that experience. And Kanye, as crazy as he may be,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: whether he is or isn't a lot of people think
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: he is but he's also.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: A genius totally agree he's super.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Genius his music's incredible his lyrics are incredible i mean
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: he's he is a genius and so when you have
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that around you you get influenced by that and it's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: overpowering and by the way he brought in the best
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of the best he had extraordinary people like vincent van
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: dyson and and um uh uh my God, the Belgian,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: there's a fabulously famous Belgian decorator. I now can't remember
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: this name of who's extraordinary. They brought in, they brought
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: in amazing people to work with them. It's just what
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Kanye wanted it to be very severe. Now, obviously Kim's
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: warmed it back up. She's brought in her great personality,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: her great style. And obviously she's still, she's been educated
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: by that experience with Kanye to understand, Great art and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: great things. And she's probably still incorporating all that in
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: her life.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: The Kardashians, the Kardashian-Jenners have been exposed to the best
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: of the best. They've been to the greatest houses. They
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: know the wealthiest people. They've seen the most magnificent things,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: been to the best parties, thrown the best parties. So
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: they've really educated themselves so much. that now they're extracting
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that into their own style. Listen, they're pretty extraordinary.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree. I think it's amazing what they've
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: all built, and it's fun to watch.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Well, you and I have seen it almost from the beginning.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always was thinking, you know, as a mom, Chris...
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was so smart. She created a business and a way
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that literally Kendall's the only one that I think doesn't
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: live in hidden Hills. Yeah. So, you know, she's got
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: five of her six kids living in this community with her.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a mom's dream to have your
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: kids be successful enough that they're not living in your house,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: but they're living, you know, a five, 10 minute drive away.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And they're all working together. And then even if we're
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: not having Sunday night dinner, we have to meet because
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: we're filming a show or we're getting paid. And we'll
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: just have our salads on camera and talk. And then
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: sell the salads. Yeah, sell the salads. It really is
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: such a genius thing. And the reason it lasts is
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: because they really are sisters and a family. And so
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it will continue on forever.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And their bond's extremely tight.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And Chris is a genius business woman. And people don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: even know, they're very religious. People didn't know that about them.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: They're very religious. So they have these really strong core values.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed so much working with them. I've enjoyed being
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: friends with them. I've been on vacation with Chris. It
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was an amazing journey. The most extraordinary part of all
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: of it is that obviously, and you and I were
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: both on the show. We were both on Keeping Up
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: With The Kardashians along the way. Yeah. The most extraordinary
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: part of it is that the connection with Kylie brought
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: me a younger audience. So suddenly 12-year-old girls knew who
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I was, which has been wild.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I was actually, I was in Paris like
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: five weeks ago at Couture Week. And it's funny. We went,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: oh my God, it was so hot. We went to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the Gautier show and I saw, I've been working with
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Cardi B and I saw Cardi B there. Went over
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to say hi to her. As I was walking out,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: a little girl stopped me. She was like, I don't know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: 18 probably. A young lady, I should say, not a
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: little girl. She went over and she went to me. Oh,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: my God, she said, I first saw you on the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Kardashians when I was 12, and I've loved you ever since,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: and I've been following you. And I was like, my God,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that is the power of the Kardashians. You know what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I mean? Now I've got 12-year-olds following me on Instagram.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it's amazing. You know, when you talk about
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: spirituality and everything, I– and you're a spiritual person and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I believe, you know, in putting out energy and then
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I believe you get signs from those who have passed on.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And have there been any amazing like interior design stories where,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we're already, you told me how many kismet
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: things have happened living in this Hollywood house and how
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: your career went. And if you didn't do this, then
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened. And, you know, all these, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I believe it's so great. Now, as we get older,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you start to almost connect like, Everyone has that if
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you open your mind to it and see it and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: look for the signs and be grateful. Do you have
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: any like situations like that where?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, by the way, weirdly, every single house
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that I own has had some extraordinary connection with it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: My old house, I still own it actually, but my
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: house in Hollywood, in old Hollywood in Whitley Heights is,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: was the home of Gloria Swanson.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, that's my mom's favorite movie.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Rudolph Valentino. Well, she lived there when she shot Sunset Boulevard.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard, yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Rudolph Valentino and the famous writer William Faulkner. My house
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I live in now, have you been to my new house? Yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you've been to my new house.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: No, no, not in Beverly Hills. Oh, you haven't been
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to this one? No, it looks like I'm going this weekend.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: So we are coming over. That house, Andy Warhol lived there,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Tina Turner lived there. Dennis Hopper lived there. So all
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: these houses have had these extraordinary people. I haven't known
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: that when I bought them. It's just been something about
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that energy that somehow, that creative energy draws you in
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and attracts you to that. But I'll tell you a
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: crazy story. A lot of people don't believe in ghosts
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and things like that. I did this unbelievable house in Ireland.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: extraordinary 18th century property, magnificent restoration. It was one of
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: my favorite projects because we got to shop the entire
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: world to bring back 18th and 19th century furniture to
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Ireland that had been sold off at auctions everywhere else.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: And we brought it all back and restored this extraordinary house.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we're installing it. I'm there with my little
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: assistant at the time installing this great big house. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: there was a bedroom that was at the end of
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the hallway, smaller bedroom. And this beautiful old fireplace, Victorian fireplace,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: had been walled up. And so I had it opened
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: so we could see the fireplace again and kind of
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: restored it and decorated the room more beautiful. And I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: bought this gorgeous mirror that was the shape of a lyre.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: You know, a lyre is like an Irish harp.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And so I had these big burly Irish delivery guys
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and these big kind of you know, Guinness drinking blokes
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and doing all the install. And I suddenly heard from
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this room a scream. I thought, my God, whatever is that?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Ran in and this big burly guy who'd been up
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a ladder with another man next to him was hanging
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: in the mirror and he was white. He was white
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: as a ghost and the mirror was on the floor,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: way over the other side of the room, smashed on
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the floor. And he was like, Oh, my God, I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened. He said, I was hanging the mirror.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: He said, and it came off the wall, hovered in
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the air, and shattered in front of the fireplace, which
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: was right across the other side of the room. It
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't like he'd dropped it. You could tell he hadn't
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: dropped it. So we were like, wow, this is so crazy.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And he said, I don't know what it was. He said,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: but I'm leaving. I can't be here anymore. He was
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a great big Irish guy. So we were like, God,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: whatever's going on? Anyway, I did a bit of investigating,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: and it turned out that in the late 19th century,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: this had been a nursery, and there'd been an Irish
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: housekeeper or Irish nanny who was a drinker, and one
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: of the family's kids, this baby, I guess, had colic
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: or whatever and wouldn't stop crying, and she threw the
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: baby in the fire and killed the baby. And then
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: she went down to the lake, and drowned herself. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: this room had had that terrifying energy, and so at
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: some point they'd blocked up the fireplace because they didn't
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: want that happening. Of course, me not knowing any of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: this had opened the fireplace.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And released that crazy energy. And so, and we couldn't
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: get this room warm, we turned the heating on.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So I've heard that about ghosts a lot. They can
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: kind of control the heat or the air, like how
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: cold it is.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. It was so wild. So I, we
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: literally brought in the local priest and we did an
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: exorcism and got rid of the, got rid of the energy.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And now the family member that uses that bedroom all
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the time said they've never felt anything weird or whatever,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: which I think that we kind of helped move the
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: spirit on. But isn't that a crazy story?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And it was literally, if it hadn't been that I'd
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: walked in and seen this guy up on the ladder
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: on the far side of the room and seen this
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: mirror over on the floor, I wouldn't have believed it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I would have thought he just broke it. But the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: fact we found all that out afterwards, crazy.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, with real estate and everything, you have
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to disclose, at least in California from our real estate days,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: if someone died in the house, if it was a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: violent murder, I think you have to say it was
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a violent murder. But if they died, like you, you're
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: not to say what it was because actually they wanted
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to make sure that it wasn't people saying someone died
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: of AIDS, like in the eighties. So they're like, if
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they died, you just have to say, Hey, they died,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: but you don't, they didn't have to disclose what they
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: died from. But then of course, if there's like a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: violent murder, like a, you know, Sharon Tate, whatever people
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: know that. And would you buy a house, you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that had like this violent history, but it's a gorgeous
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: house and it's a great view. And like, the way
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: that someone, you know, I always was like, well, I've
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: never been presented with that. But if it was the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: house of my dreams, for me, I think if it,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's almost like Amityville horror. Like I almost think if
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the crime matched like our family, like let's say it
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was the husband went crazy or the mother went crazy
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and it killed everyone in the house. No, I don't
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: think I'd want to buy that house. You know what
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't do it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. If somebody has a heart attack
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: or dies of old age and it was the house
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: they loved, you get it, because it's life, it's part
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: of the journey. But a murder or something, I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that RX show, American Horror Story, where they had that house,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: that crazy, which by the way, that house they filmed
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that in is supposedly haunted. It's like down by Hancock Park.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's a huge old mansion and it's super scary. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: it's been on the market forever. And so, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and you see all those, I mean, that show freaks
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: me out. I couldn't watch that at home on my own.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I can't really watch much of that stuff, too. That's
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: too scary. Like, I'm the person, I am scared by, like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: ghosts and devil and the priest has to come in
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and the exorcist. Maybe because I was raised Catholic. Like,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that stuff scares me.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It freaks me out.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, literally.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Literally. I will never forget that house in Ireland.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I had to go and stay there one night on
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: my own in, like, a 20-bedroom house. I was petrified.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely petrified. I actually went to bed fully clothed because
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I had to get up and run out in the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: middle of the night. Yeah. So... But, yeah, literally, I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: think that I couldn't buy a house that had bad
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: energy in it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And I feel like you feel energy.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Don't you think?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I... I've heard from people saying that
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: like they walked in or they've brought a medium or
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: psychic who just says there's something I'm not feeling it, whatever.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And then the realtor is like, could you not get
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: rid of the psychic? I almost felt like, you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to make a sale or whatever. But yeah,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I do think that's kind of interesting about or like
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a piece, like if there was some piece of furniture
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: or something that might. like this is like coming to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: like a horror story, but as an interior designer, I saw, um,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I saw this thing recently just coming across. It was
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a female who's an interior designer and she said one
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of her biggest regrets. And I thought it was kind
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: of interesting. And she said, I had these clients and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I'd worked for them with them for years, but they're
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: very private people. She didn't necessarily say why they were private,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: but obviously they had a lot of money cause they
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: were great clients. So I don't know if they were,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you know, wall street people or whatever. And, um, But
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: there was like one design or something and they said, yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you can, you know, give those photos and be in
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a magazine. But we were very private. And then there
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: was another opportunity where she like did an interview or
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: something and she never she never talked to them about
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it before. And then they like called her and like,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we really don't appreciate that. And then they
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: never worked with her again. and I thought it was
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: really brave that she like shared the story of like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: her biggest regrets of like boundaries and working with people. And,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and this is such a world of like, um, for
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: interior designers, comedians, everybody like social media is so important. Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And so like what, what would be your advice in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: dealing with people? I think like, is it like right
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: off the bat? Like, you know, are you down to
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: let me share this? Are you not, you know, or what,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: aspects of it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Just to go back to one for one second, once
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: we had that priest come in and get rid of it,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the energy suddenly changed and it became this unbelievably happy
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: house again. So you can change things with those people.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I do think when they do the sage. Yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And it is good to know, yeah, bring in the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: poltergeist lady and bring in the priest.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Why not? It's an extraordinary happy family house.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: So maybe if there is a great deal, but there's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: a scary thing, you might just bring in one of everybody.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Bring it in.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Do whatever. Wipe the wand. Okay, so contracts for me
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: with clients. I mean, obviously, confidentiality is very important. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: have a lot of celebrity clients. In general, the celebrities,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: because they are public, They enjoy the publicity with their
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: home because it's another extension of who they are. And
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: sometimes it ends up actually bringing them, they get like,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: you know, a license for some home goods or, you know.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So people see you've got great taste and great style,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: they want to emulate that and be part of that.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: The Kardashians are a great, you know, advocate for that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, for instance. But I do believe that
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you have to respect your clients' privacy when they want
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it to be respected. You can't talk about people without
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: them knowing or having agreed to it. Almost every one
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: of my clients have allowed us to publish. I think
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: in my entire career, there's only been a couple of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: clients where we couldn't publish the projects, and that's because
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: they were public figures and they'd had death threats or
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: crazy stuff that's happened along the way. And I get it. Listen,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I once had a mad stalker who broke into my
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: house and tore pictures out of people that were with
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: me in the photo frames and stuck their own face in.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Wait, when was this?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: This was a few years ago when I was back
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: on TV all the time.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Did you know that, was the person stalking you and
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: then one day you came home and saw that they'd
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: gotten in your house? Or how did you know?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: You know how you get, when you're on TV, you
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: get mail from prisoners sometimes. I started to get all
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: this mail from prisoners. Some of it scared me. But,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you know, and then my press agent was dealing with
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: it and I didn't ever really see it for a while. Anyway,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: some guy actually had become obsessed and had come out
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: of prison and thought we were having a, you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: they thought it was the love of his life. Broke
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: into my house.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: In Beverly Hills?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: It was actually when I was living in West Hollywood.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Broke into my house. Didn't take anything or anything but
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: just Went around. At the time, I had loads of, like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: picture frames on tables and things. And carefully.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: So he, like, took a frame, did the little thing,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: took it out.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Caught out other people's faces, like my mom and dad's face.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And put the frame back together? And stuck pictures of
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: himself in.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And put the frame back together.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't notice. So at the time, my housekeeper, like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: who would come, like, two days a week, caught me, like, oh,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: my God, what is this? She said, I don't know
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: what's happening. She's just so strange. I think she thought
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I'd lost my mind and I'd done it. I was like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I came home from work,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. All over my house. I hadn't
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: even noticed.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Robin said he must have been in your house for
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: a couple hours.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: For ages, which then petrified me. So yeah, so we
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: had called the police. I had to get, they gave
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: me a stun gun. Oh my God, so I managed
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: to stun my own leg. Because somebody walked up to
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: me while I was coming down the street. I thought
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: it was the crazy person. I tried to get the
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: stun gun out and stun my own leg. And my leg, like,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: flew out to one side and split my trousers. That
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: was the end of the stun gun.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Did they ever find him?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: They did. They did. He'd done it to two or
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: three people. But, I mean, it's crazy.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Did he go back to prison?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: There's crazy people out there, yes.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. So there's, you know.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: This is a crazy world. But that was a mad
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: thing that happened. So having had that happen to me
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and my tiny little bit of fame in the world
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: makes you understand that people that are really famous can
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: have really crazy people after them.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really scary when you see that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget shopping one day with Khloe Kardashian. We
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: went to a store called The Rug Company to look
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: at rugs. And we came out and she was about
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: to get in her car and some maniac guy came
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: by on a bicycle and squirted stuff in her face.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Like for no reason. Could have been acid, could have
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: been anything.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Thank God it was just water.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: So when that kind of stuff happens, you just can't
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: believe how crazy it is out there.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: So I understand when people want privacy and you have
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: to respect that. So in my contracts, it always has
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: a thing that specifies, you know, that we're allowed to
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: take pictures for our own internal use and that if
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: we're going to publish anything, we ask their permission first
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: and get written... emailed permission from them to allow us
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: to do that. And that way you're all protected.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it's amazing everything that you've done.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm excited about this. This is your Instagram, which
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: is amazing. If you want to see lots of great scenes,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the hotel, the houses, it's Martin Ballard, but also now
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you being English, what do you,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: how do you think about Harry and Megan leaving the,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: and sending their kids to the English school and coming
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: back to England.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's wildly unexpected.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I didn't see this coming.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Wildly unexpected. I have met Harry and Meghan a few
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: times up in Montecito. They're great friends of a friend
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: of mine, a client of mine, and they couldn't be
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: more charming in person. I had a very weird thing happen, though.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: When they first moved to Montecito, The Daily Mail, you know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: which God knows writes some crazy stuff, had on the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: front page Elton John's decorator designs for Harry and Meghan.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Multi-million dollar home. It was complete crap. I'd never even
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: met them at that point, let alone design for them all,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you know. And people are so venomously against them. I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: got death threats. I got literal death threats come to
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: my office saying, how can you design for them? They're
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: disgusting people.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Like a piece of mail?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got all this mail and stuff
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: on my Instagram and DMs from people. You're a disgusting human.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: How could you work for them? It was shocking. Really shocking.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: So there is major hatred out there, primarily for her,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And do you think primarily from the people of England?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Like you've screwed up the monarchy.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: You've broken up the brothers. Yeah, I think a lot
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: of it was English. I mean, listen. The scandal of
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: the interview with Oprah was pretty wild.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of things that should never have
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: been said on that. There were things that were completely
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: inaccurate or things that gave the impression of something that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't real. and was said in a way that maybe
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: would give people the wrong impression of the royal family.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a royalist. I'm English. I love the royal family.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: They're the hardest workers and they are the number one
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: tourist industry for England. The money they bring into the
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: country is unbelievable. And they provide a great living for people.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And the history of the royal family is extraordinary. 2,000
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: years old or whatever it is. It's really part of
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: English culture. And I think it's very sad that Meghan
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to find her position in that because she
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: could have become the new Princess Diana.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was so excited when it started and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I thought she was great. I thought it was so cute.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I was happy to watch the wedding. I think the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: moment too was when she like didn't think it through.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Like you're trying to be funny and you're like, when
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: she mocked having to bow to the queen.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: It was very unnecessary.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And he was just standing there like, that's where I'm like,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Was she not educated or did she not have the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: right big sister to show her, this is what works,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: this is what doesn't. I don't know. It seems unfortunate.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Part of me feels sorry for her because I think
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you don't know what you're going into in those situations.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: She bit off more than she could chew in essence.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: You are a public figure. She'd already been a public
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: figure by being an actress. But being an actress is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: very different from being a member of the royal family.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: You know, you're in the public eye 24-7. There's no
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: escape in a way. And you have to do public duties. And,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: you know, as an actress, you can wake up in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the morning if you're feeling ill. You know, maybe they'll
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: delay the shoot that day. If you've got 20,000 people
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: waiting for you to cut a ribbon to open a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Walmart or whatever it is, you have to be there
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and do it because it's royal duty. So it's a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: very different thing. I think it, I think.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: That's a really good point that I think coming from California,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: being an actress, all that kind of things. I've always
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: said that because I related to a lot to her
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: life story, just, you know, middle-class Catholic school, went to college, wasn't,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you know, had to get her own way in the acting.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: She wasn't like a full nepo baby. Her dad worked
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: on a set in props or whatever. So it's like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, this is relatable. So it's like if
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I married the prince, you know? And I definitely think
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: that there was, like I said, like a lack of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: an education and understanding of what you were really getting into.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: And also just the gloomy weather. You know, when you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: come from California weather as a California, Southern California person,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: like it goes a little gloomy for a few hours.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, my day is shot. Like, I don't
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: know how to deal.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I shot that TV show in England once. Two years ago,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I was there January and February shooting. I thought I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: was going to kill myself. You wake up, it's dark.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: And then it just gets darker.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Tremendous. So I get that for sure.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: So I think that was a hard thing to adjust to.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, I think she just didn't really understand
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the depth of it being American. And of course, with
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Princess Kate, she grew up in England. She dated William
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. She just was, she was
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: born for the role.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: She was born for the role and she understood the role.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: She really understood the role. Again, I think it's the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: saddest thing because she could have been the new Princess Diana.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: She could have done unbelievable things in the world for racism.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Rather than creating now this like big drama that everyone's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: racist in the royal family and everything, she could have
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: gone the other way and she could have been the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: spokesperson as the first kind of mixed race princess. She
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: could have done an unbelievable job in the world And
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's sad that she didn't step up to that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: You know, also, when you're an actor, you've got that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: inside of you and you want to fulfill that. And
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's quite sad that she had to give
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: up the acting career. I think if they'd been a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: bit more modern and allowed her to say, you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you keep acting, but also you need to do these
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: royal duties. And together she would have formulated a balanced life.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I think the fact she had to give up that career...
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: to become a Royal must've been very difficult.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Well, when she first got married, I thought, I predicted
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: that she would be like the Oprah of England. And
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: then she could have had the biggest podcast talk show
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: there and, and speak to truly international, interesting people and,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: and still show like who she is and, And have
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. Sure, she wouldn't have been
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: able to totally go off, but she's not like a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: crass person. So it's not like me doing it. So yeah,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was all kind of these missteps.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe going back, do you think
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: that she could ever win the people over again? No,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: not now.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think she'd have to really
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: change the way somehow or the other to get it back.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's coming back. There's been so much damage.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: By the way, even Oprah damaged her own career by
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: doing that interview. Oprah's never recovered in the people's minds
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: after doing that because she allowed a bunch of, not
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: a bunch, but some lies to be told and the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: shock and horror and the whole thing. It damaged Oprah's career. Oprah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the queen of television, Pretty wild.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: So do you think they're going back because of financial reasons?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Because all their L.A. deals have dried up? And in England,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: you know, try this?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, for deals, for filming, for
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, America's the number one. It's where you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: make money. That's an impossible track to the U.K. But
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going back because maybe... You know,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Harry's missing his family. Maybe, you know, the king's not
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: been well for a long time. Maybe he's going back
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: for that. I understand the education thing because Harry was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: educated in those fine English schools. There isn't anything really
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: comparable to that for younger children anyway here. Certainly later
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: in life you have Harvard and Yale and all those things.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: But when the kids are young, the schools are very different.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I had a little prince and princess,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: as she does, and we're– Their dad is the Prince
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: of England. Yes, go to school in England. Like, are
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you kidding me?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I do think it's smart. It's now
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: or never. And maybe it can be repaired. Maybe the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: kids will form their own connection to their aunt and uncle.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: It's like Andrew and Fergie. Yes. You know, the scandal
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: of Prince Andrew. Well, not Prince Andrew anymore. Andrew Windsor
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: as he is now.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: The scandal of that has been so wild. Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: They really made her the bad girl Fergie. Oh, well.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Remember the photo of the guy sucking?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Did you read any of that?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, of course. Remember Fergie's boyfriend was sucking her toe?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I'm friends with Johnny Bryant. Hilarious. He's a hilarious character.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: That was her boyfriend?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: The toe sucker.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: And we didn't know that they were separated, open marriage,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: that he was hanging out with Epstein. We didn't know.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: But we saw her. They made her.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: To be the enemy.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's really both of them.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Prince Andrew made a complete fool of himself doing that documentary.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely. But I'm saying, at the time that we
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Americans saw the tabloids of the toe-sucking, it was like,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Fergie is the bad girl. And they're getting divorced. But
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's more like Fergie was the one that stepped out.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: When this whole time, who knows all the crazy stuff
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Andrew was doing, you know?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Well, history repeats itself.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My God, amazing.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: But I think there's so much scandal going on with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: my uncle Andrew and Fergie, and maybe we'll come back
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and there'll be so much else going on, no one
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: will really notice.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the case. I think the press
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: will be all over them. I think they'll have a
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  Speaker 2: hideous experience. And the fact that they just lost that
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: giant lawsuit in England with the, I think.
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  Speaker 1: It was with Daily Mail, wasn't it? With saying, yeah,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: he was suing the papers for... And he did not prevail.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they've lost. Them, Elizabeth Hurley, a bunch of them.
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  Speaker 2: They have to give like 30 million pounds back because
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: they've got to pay all the legal fees for the
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  Speaker 2: other side.
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  Speaker 1: How much money does he have? Like, I've seen 60
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: million from Diana, but does he have it all now?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: I heard it was only 15 million he got from
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Diana because it was divided out. But I heard that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: he inherited money from the Queen Mother, his grandmother. So But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and they did have deals here. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they had a $ 10 million deal.
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  Speaker 1: But they don't anymore. The Netflix deal is done. The
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: podcast deal is done. Right. And, you know, even if
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: she got an acting role, it's not convenient to live
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: in Montecito and have to be driving to Burbank. Well,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: what's an acting role going to pay you?
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  Speaker 2: And it's not going to pay you anything. No. That's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: not going to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then her little cooking show or whatever, that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: didn't last.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be something else going on there. There's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: got to be some monetary reason why they've moved back.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's like... I think it's the opportunities dried
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: up here. Yeah. The kids are school age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's like a number thing. The dad is sick.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: If they wait too long, it may never get repaired. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how are they going to live the next
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: 30 years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to pay for them the next 30 years?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: I think the rift between the two brothers is probably
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the biggest situation. Because that seems to be really terrifying.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think as a man, though, I feel like
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: brothers could make up?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you would hope so. I mean, I would hate
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to have. I have three older sisters. I'd hate to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: have any fallout that's longevity with any of them.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: It can happen. I mean, I have siblings. But I
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: feel like because they only have each other. You know
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like sometimes there's like a black sheep
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever when you have a bunch of kids. Because
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: they have each other, only they know what it's like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: to have grown up. And then they were children of divorce,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and they were children who lost a mother young. Like,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: that is, I think, what makes people so sad. They
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: really want to see those brothers make up. And that's
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: the other thing where you sort of then blame the woman.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And they know it wasn't Kate, because they were fine.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: The three of them would do all these things together.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, she was always including...
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: him so well we'll see it'll be interesting to see.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: And the truth is that that none of us know
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: what it must be like to be a royal no
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: and to live in that and to have to perform
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: like that and to have to.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think his book helped either oh my god
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: the book was ridiculous that is a lot of boohoo.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: That was ridiculous yeah you know we don't need to
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: hear about his frozen willy.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah well i'm um Excited about your show. I love
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the name, Live, Love, and Decorate. This is your show that,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: tell everybody where they can watch it.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is on Homeworthy, which is on YouTube.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: You can just put in my name or Live, Love,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: and Decorate or Homeworthy and it comes up. This has
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: been a real passion project because, you know, I love travel.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: It's the one thing that inspires me more than anything else.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: It's the one thing that, you know, gives me, I think,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the most knowledge in my design and feeds my soul.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: So I love going to different cities. I love to travel.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: The one thing is when you travel, you never know
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: a city or a place or a country until you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: know the people that live there. So the whole pretext
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: of this show is that I introduce you to friends
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: of mine that live in these cities and the way
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: they live and the way they're influenced by the city
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: and their culture and how that culture sort of helps
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: them design their homes and live their lives. So it's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: really been fun. It's kind of like an Anthony Bourdain
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: sort of thing, but design oriented. And each episode I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: have like five or six different people in all different houses.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, and it's not just the rich and famous. Yes,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: there's some of that on there. beautiful mansions on the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Bosphorus or old palaces in Tangier. But there's also, I've
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: got a cross-dressing life coach living on a barge in London.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: We've got real, real diversity in the mix of this,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: which is what a city, which is what the world is.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: And so you get to see these people that have
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: got great individual style and they tell you why and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: they tell you why they love where they are. And
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: we've always got a connection. Like my gorgeous friend Nebi,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: who many, many years ago used to work for me
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: as a sort of a design assistant, now lives in
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: this extraordinary house in Istanbul. And, you know, you see
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: the beautiful friendship that we have, but also the connection
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: through the design. And how actually visiting her all these
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: years in Istanbul and in Turkey, I've been influenced with
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Turkish and Ottoman style. in my own taste. And so
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: you get all of that wonderful extract. So it's been
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: really fun. And I also, in each show, I give
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: not only an insight to the people, but I always
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: show like a beautiful place to stay, like a gorgeous
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: boutique hotel.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: And I show like a flea market or the Grand
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Bazaar or somewhere that I love to go shop, you know,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: because being the demented shopper that I am, we have
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: to go shopping everywhere. And so you always get a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: little bit, a little taste of those things. Um, And
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: so it's great. It's been so fun to do it. Um,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: we did London, Paris, um, Tangier, Istanbul, Australia was really
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: fun to actually those crazy Australians. It was just fabulous.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: So we've got all this wild places and mix and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: stuff going on on it. And so YouTube is a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: wonderful thing because YouTube allows you to put in your
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: taste into the algorithm and it feeds you these great shows.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: And so now all these design enthusiasts are getting to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: see this show.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: It's also great for travel. It's great for people that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: want to see a little, you know, want to be
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: nosy into other people's lives. You know, there's a little
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: celebrity in there. It's got a little bit of everything.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it so much.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I just adored this conversation we had. And I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: feel like. there were so many things and we've had
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: so many dinners and stuff and you can't, you still
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: brought all these new stories to me. So it was great.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And thank you so much. And everybody follow Martin on
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: his Instagram because it's so great. And it's Martin Ballard
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: is just the full name. And Martin is spelled with
• 1:14:41
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• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: you can also see the show. Live, laugh, decorate.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Live, love, and decorate.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Live, love, not laugh. Live, love, and decorate.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Live, laugh is your show.
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  Speaker 1: My new show is live, laugh, decorate. That's the one
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: we'll do together.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: We'll live, laugh, and decorate together.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. The best.
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