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AEW Hot Topics | Fun Revolution Chat · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: Ignition with the A and W fanhob podcast team. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about Revolution and several other things that are
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  Speaker 1: going on in the A W. Is a universal galaxy.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: Right, galaxy Strata, sphere.
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  Speaker 1: Stratus, spear. Thanks Shane, But anyway, this is Kelson, This
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  Speaker 1: is Shane D. Shane. What do you want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about first?
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  Speaker 2: I mean Revolution, Let's talk about the show, dude, Like
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's really frustrated. Like I'm gonna say this plane.
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  Speaker 2: I think Revolution was fantastic. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people saying that this is a contender for pay per
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  Speaker 2: view of the Year for all of professional wrestling, and
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  Speaker 2: the big gripe is the headlining match, and we'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get there. But like I think, all in all,
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  Speaker 2: it was a fantastic event. I think they did a
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  Speaker 2: lot for exposition. I did a lot. I think they
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  Speaker 2: did a lot for storytelling, and I think that all
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  Speaker 2: of the matches were really, really, really good, especially the
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  Speaker 2: women's match. I mean the women's match currently, metrically, according
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  Speaker 2: to Cage Matches, one of the highest rated women's women's
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  Speaker 2: matches in the history of women's professional wrestling. It jumped
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  Speaker 2: all the way up the top five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh hey, the women's matches I thought were really good.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Momo and Mercedes knocked it out at the
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  Speaker 1: park too. Uh not. I mean, I'm sure you watched
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  Speaker 1: the pay per view. You were in the live chat,
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  Speaker 1: so unless you were making shit up as we were
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  Speaker 1: going along, what did you What did you think.
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  Speaker 3: The women's matches? I really liked overall. I liked the
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  Speaker 3: whole pay per view. Yeah, I liked a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the storytelling. You know, I'm big on the storytelling, So
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  Speaker 3: I liked the business between Swerve and Prince Nana. Don
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  Speaker 3: Callus was really on point every time he was out there.
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  Speaker 1: And he was very callous, like yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 2: So what a bad night, family though, I mean like,
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  Speaker 2: oh oh yeah, I mean like everybody lost. They set
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  Speaker 2: up so many future stories and this path and Don
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  Speaker 2: Callus ate more crap than anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to want to ask both of you guys,
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  Speaker 1: because Shane, you just said that they set up more
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  Speaker 1: future stories. But do you think that Revolution wrapped up
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  Speaker 1: some stories as well? And if so, which which ones
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  Speaker 1: do you think wrapped up. You don't think that the
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  Speaker 1: Mariah May and Tony Storm saga is wrapped up, at
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  Speaker 1: least for now.
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  Speaker 2: If you're asking me, no, I don't think it's over.
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  Speaker 2: I think that we just gave Mariah May a nuclear missile.
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  Speaker 2: My god, guys in the history of women's professional professional wrestling,
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  Speaker 2: like we were just given a treat. We were giving
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  Speaker 2: something so special. This is how I wanna sell ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: We were like it was one of the This is
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest women's professional wrestling matches in history.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this is gonna give Mariah May a
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  Speaker 2: reason to come back. I think they're gonna put a
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  Speaker 2: lid on it for a couple of weeks, and she's
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  Speaker 2: gonna pop back into the picture. I think Tony Storm's
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  Speaker 2: performance was top tier. I think, in my crappy, less
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  Speaker 2: than humble opinion, Tony Storm is right now with the
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  Speaker 2: goad of women's professional wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Even think w I don't even think WWE fans would
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  Speaker 1: are argue that. I've seen plenty of WWE fans just
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  Speaker 1: complimenting Tony Storm on everything she's doing. Of course, the
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  Speaker 1: bad faith actors would say stuff like trash. You know,
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  Speaker 1: put no effort into that. They say, you know, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to put you and Net on the spot here. Other
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  Speaker 1: than let's let's not talk about Tony Storm and Mariah
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  Speaker 1: May specifically right now, let's talk about the overall scope
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  Speaker 1: of the of the pay per view. If you had
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  Speaker 1: to pick one thing other than Mariah Man Tony Storm
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  Speaker 1: that stood out for you, what was it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see that's all you met.
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  Speaker 1: If you want, I'll say what I was gonna say. Okay, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well here's the thing that stood out for me. This
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  Speaker 1: had this pay per view had like six matches that
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  Speaker 1: were for titles. Of course, only one title switched hands.
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  Speaker 1: We had one match it was a Number one contender match,
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  Speaker 1: and then we had one match that was I guess
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  Speaker 1: you would just call it a rivalry. That of course
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  Speaker 1: was MGF and hang Man Attam Paige. I think the
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  Speaker 1: thing that stood out for me was that aw proved
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  Speaker 1: a revolution that you can have a meaningful match with
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  Speaker 1: no title involved. I mean, Hangman and MGF put on
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  Speaker 1: a banger and frankly speaking, the Swerve, Strickland and Ricochet match,
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  Speaker 1: even though the number one contendership was up for grabs
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  Speaker 1: on that I didn't feel like that was the centerpiece
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  Speaker 1: of the I thought that the actual story that they
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  Speaker 1: had built, as far as their you know, hatred, I
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  Speaker 1: guess for each other, the rivalry that they established took
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  Speaker 1: precedence over even the number one contendership. I literally watched
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  Speaker 1: this match to see who's going to beat the crap
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  Speaker 1: out of each other more, not wondering who is going
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  Speaker 1: to come out as the number one contender for theaw
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  Speaker 1: World title. So that's my thought. I just thought that
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  Speaker 1: the two matches that really didn't have a title on
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  Speaker 1: the on the line were terrific and it proved that
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to have a title defense for a
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  Speaker 1: match to be meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: Kelson say a lot of for people in the back,
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  Speaker 2: because people, I mean people in the IWC are being
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  Speaker 2: critical of the fact that some of these matches looked predetermined,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately I have to be the guy to say that,
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  Speaker 2: you know that there there's want to be controversy with
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  Speaker 2: this pay per view because of the Queen of the
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  Speaker 2: Ring ring stuff that happened at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: pay per view with a person that's not even involved
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  Speaker 2: with professional wrestling that was handed a microphone. I sure Swerve,
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  Speaker 2: Strickland and Ricochet was a banger. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely Flech
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  Speaker 2: and Fletcher and Osprey absolute banger.
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  Speaker 1: Every that's right. That wasn't for a title either. That
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  Speaker 1: just seemed like it was for a title. That seemed
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  Speaker 1: like everything was on the line. I mean, how could
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  Speaker 1: I forget Fletcher and Osprey? I apologize, you're geez.
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  Speaker 2: I did nothing to apologize, brother, nothing to apologize for.
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  Speaker 2: This pay per view was built around building stories and
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  Speaker 2: and moving stories forward. And even if you don't like
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  Speaker 2: the story that's being told, they took some necessary liberties
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  Speaker 2: in storytelling to move the book. I don't I like
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  Speaker 2: i'd like in making statement. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: should say, hey, man, like I with a with the
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  Speaker 2: headlining match with with Mox versus Cody, I believe there's
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  Speaker 2: a the greater community believes that Mox versus Cope sucked.
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  Speaker 2: The match itself was fantastic. Adam Copman went out there
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  Speaker 2: and murdered it, and the Christian came out there and
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  Speaker 2: did his thing. It was a thing. But they did
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  Speaker 2: one of the smartest things they could have done. They
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  Speaker 2: squashed a stupid story, and unfortunately they did it in
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  Speaker 2: a stupid way, but they did it in a smart
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  Speaker 2: way to move the story forward, like, well, now we
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  Speaker 2: have nothing but like a complete clean slate. It's a
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  Speaker 2: clean slate for so many stories right now that I
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  Speaker 2: think are gonna be really awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and
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  Speaker 1: I and I'm going to say this for two reasons.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, this story with John Moxley and the
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  Speaker 1: Death Writers began in September of twenty twenty four, all out.
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  Speaker 1: That's where Max he put the plastic bag over Brian
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  Speaker 1: Danielson's head, didn't try to murder him. And if you remember,
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  Speaker 1: for what two or three weeks after that incident, it
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  Speaker 1: was like a running joke, who's going to get you know,
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  Speaker 1: assaulted this week on AW I mean, who's what attempted
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  Speaker 1: murderer is going to happen? And then that kind of
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  Speaker 1: quieted down and the whole Death Writers thing became I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to tell you, it became repetitive, It stagnated,
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  Speaker 1: it became uninteresting, people lost interest in it. And I
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  Speaker 1: can say that with confidence because I read the comments
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  Speaker 1: on the aw fan Hub Subred and on the aw
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  Speaker 1: fan Hub Blue Sky and on the Wrestling Hub Discord.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some people stayed invested in it, giving it
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  Speaker 1: their best shot. Even those people, some of them turned.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the problems that I had with this
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  Speaker 1: match is that it was not It didn't do anything
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  Speaker 1: to further the story if it made it more convoluted
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  Speaker 1: to me and much more uninteresting. You yeah, Shane, what
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  Speaker 1: you said is true. It went to a clean slate.
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  Speaker 1: We now have a clean slate. They should have done
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  Speaker 1: the clean slate in September because this slate should have
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  Speaker 1: never been filled because it was stupid and it's just
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  Speaker 1: like insulting of your intelligence. You know how bad this
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  Speaker 1: story has been for months now. The second thing I
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  Speaker 1: will say about this match, now you alluded, Shane, I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was you'd had said that this match, well,
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  Speaker 1: that the Osprey and Fletcher match should have been the
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  Speaker 1: main event. You had matches that were verifiably bangers, very athletic.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of matches that maybe were not
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  Speaker 1: as much so, but they were still fun. And the
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  Speaker 1: two matches that I'll point out are the Hurt Syndicate
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  Speaker 1: and the Outrunners. It was a fun match, but there
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  Speaker 1: was no doubt who was going to win that match,
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  Speaker 1: and frankly, in the chats that we had, the match
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  Speaker 1: went on a little bit too long. It should have
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  Speaker 1: been a squash. It really should have. The other match
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  Speaker 1: was Okata versus brody King. Brody King did a fantastic
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  Speaker 1: job there, and it was a physical match. It was
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  Speaker 1: a fun match, and there were a lot of as
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  Speaker 1: Simon Miller would say, one two oohs. But look, we
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  Speaker 1: all knew brody King wasn't gonna win that match. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody picked the brody King to win this,
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  Speaker 1: even though some people said that he should should have.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been a good thing. And I agree
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  Speaker 1: it would have been a good thing. It wouldn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: been a bad thing if Okata had lost. But the
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  Speaker 1: problem that I had with the main event is that,
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  Speaker 1: compared to the other matches, for me, Moxley and Hopeland
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  Speaker 1: looked like they were being filmed in slow motion, and
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  Speaker 1: only the accompanying commentary proved that it wasn't. It was
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  Speaker 1: a slow match. It was a plotting match. It just
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  Speaker 1: didn't fit with the rest of revolution. I've heard people
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  Speaker 1: say that it should have been the first match, but
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  Speaker 1: the first match was MGF and Hangman, and I called it.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember last week, I did say MJF and Hangman,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be the first match. But I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 1: you guys talk now. But I do want to make
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  Speaker 1: one other point, and this may be controversial, but I
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  Speaker 1: truly believe this. Of the eight a W championship titles
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  Speaker 1: or belts, yeah, well, titles because the trios have more
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  Speaker 1: than one belt and so does the tag. But of
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  Speaker 1: the eight AW championship titles, I honestly believe at this
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  Speaker 1: point that the most insignificant of all the titles is
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  Speaker 1: the AW World Championship by far, not even close, and
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  Speaker 1: it should be the top priority championship. And it's not
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel about how do you guys feel
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  Speaker 1: about the championship? But how did you feel about this
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  Speaker 1: match and everything else that went along with it? Because
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  Speaker 1: to me, whatever happened at the end of this match,
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  Speaker 1: it's just not even worth wasting my breath talking about Matt.
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  Speaker 2: You want to go first, I guess I'll go first. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to go first.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's important to acknowledge that we as professional
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  Speaker 2: wrestling fans, have spent most of our time as professional
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  Speaker 2: wrestling fans watching the same product. I gotta be that person,
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  Speaker 2: the WWE person, you know, like a lot of fans
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  Speaker 2: don't have that distinction between how we were led to
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  Speaker 2: believe these stories are supposed to be told because they've
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: been told the same way for so long, and how
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  Speaker 2: things are happening when things are happening differently. Now I
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  Speaker 2: understand the criticism. I understand the criticism with the headlining match,
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  Speaker 2: I really do. And I understand not pulling this belt
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  Speaker 2: off of John Moxley as well. I understand not putting
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  Speaker 2: this belt on Cope or Christian, But I also understand
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  Speaker 2: that it needed to be used as a device to
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  Speaker 2: end the money in the bank clone that that that
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  Speaker 2: has been stagnating in the story for so long, and
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  Speaker 2: now we have again a clean slate for what's happening
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  Speaker 2: with the aw World Championship. We had a couple belts
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  Speaker 2: in this in this pay per view that traded hands.
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  Speaker 2: That had to happen, and you can't say, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't be so entitled to believe as a
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  Speaker 2: professional wrestling fan that things are supposed to happen because
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  Speaker 2: they've happened the same way before in other places, other
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  Speaker 2: promotions or with other championships. Like like, it is what
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  Speaker 2: it is, and if you saw it come and cool man, like,
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  Speaker 2: it is what it is. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was more important to drop the money
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  Speaker 2: in the bank thing with Christian. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: more important to give some relevance to John Moxley as
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  Speaker 2: a competent champion and he is and he's gonna hold
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  Speaker 2: this belt and he's gonna be a rock star and
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  Speaker 2: he's fantastic and he should hold it because who's gonna
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  Speaker 2: get him right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's the point that we'll talk about after we hear
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  Speaker 1: Nett's point of view on this.
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  Speaker 3: Well, for me, I'm a little tired of all of
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  Speaker 3: the belts, and I'm definitely tired of the death Riders.
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  Speaker 3: They had something really good going on, like you were saying,
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  Speaker 3: Kelson back in September, that whole thing with Danielson thrilled
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  Speaker 3: me to no end, and they lost the momentum for that,
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  Speaker 3: and ever since they lost that, they've lost me, and
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they've lost a lot of other people. I'm
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  Speaker 3: starting to I don't know if it's from doing the
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  Speaker 3: podcast or from having been a wrestling fan for so
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  Speaker 3: very long, but I for when I'm starting to see
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  Speaker 3: the predictability in things and being able to have a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good idea of where aw is going with things,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't like that so much. I like being
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  Speaker 3: surprised and things going the opposite way that I thought
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  Speaker 3: that they were. So I'm starting to feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: getting a little bit stale. The matches are great, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the storytelling is great, but I'm beginning to
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  Speaker 3: be able to follow what's going on and I wish
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: there was a little bit less of that. So they
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: need to find a way to turn that around for
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  Speaker 3: those of us that kind of maybe have figured things
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  Speaker 3: out so right, Yeah, that's yeah, That's kind of where
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  Speaker 3: Revolution left me. Is like I could see a lot
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  Speaker 3: of puzzle pieces falling into place.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to go debt, if you wouldn't mind. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go to our our audience really in the chat,
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  Speaker 1: because they had a few things to say here. Jets
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  Speaker 1: Fan says that Ricochet is going to cause Swerve to lose.
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  Speaker 1: I assume he meant to Moxley when he does get
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  Speaker 1: his World Championship title match. Steve had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: comments saying that Jay White is in line to be
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  Speaker 1: a contender I assume again for the aw World Championship.
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  Speaker 1: But he did go on to say that Eddie Kingston
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  Speaker 1: is going to defeat him. And then there's Benji who
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  Speaker 1: just simply said, Swerves house, you know, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you can't say whose house without responding with we could
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  Speaker 1: do this for another hour.
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  Speaker 3: I think Swerve is going to come out on top again.
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  Speaker 3: And oh that's something about he and Ricochet that I forget.
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  Speaker 3: I love that they did that entire match and no
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  Speaker 3: one got stabbed with scissors. I love that they did that.
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  Speaker 1: That that's a really really interesting point that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even think of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought they were going to bring out
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  Speaker 3: the scissors and they didn't, and that that.
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  Speaker 1: Guy wanted they wanted to make the screwdriver more special.
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  Speaker 1: In all honesty, you know, let's let's talk amongst ourselves here,
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  Speaker 1: and who do you think is going to be the
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  Speaker 1: one to unseat John Moxley? And maybe more importantly, when.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you want that not. You made
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  Speaker 2: a very poignant uh statement, like it's clear that Tony
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Kahan is falling into this trope of mimicking former professional
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  Speaker 2: wrestling stories. I'm gonna say it. I'm going to be
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  Speaker 2: very very very clear in saying it. This. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: anything that we haven't seen before. I think that Tony
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  Speaker 2: considers All In to be his WrestleMania and that if
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  Speaker 2: and when John Moxley drops, that's gonna happen at this
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  Speaker 2: pay per view. If I were to take a wild
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: guest right now, I put the belt on Swerve.
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  Speaker 1: Why not.
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  Speaker 2: Swerve is convincing, Swerve is technical, Swerve is calculated, Swerve
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  Speaker 2: is over, you know, and I think the only person
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  Speaker 2: in the conversation to you know, really contest that would
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  Speaker 2: be Hangman at a page. But that's why they put
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  Speaker 2: him at the beginning of the pay per view, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like like Hangman is now the guy again and they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna build him up. So you got the final Boss
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  Speaker 2: versus the Boss. Ricochet looked cool as hell in that match.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I don't think he has a
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  Speaker 2: greater lasting uh standing and going for a world championship
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  Speaker 2: now I think he's going to be a continental and intercontinental.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be a mid card champion. That's what
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  Speaker 2: Ricochet is. And I hate to.
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  Speaker 1: Say, what about what about the TNT.
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  Speaker 2: Title with Daniel Garcia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're Ricochet beating Garcia for the talk for the
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  Speaker 1: dn T title.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, dude, that's you know, cool man, cool idea. That's
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  Speaker 2: all I could say.
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  Speaker 1: Out there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: If Garcia isn't defending it on every single regular show,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: why is that even a conversation? I mean, like, yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean it's the same thing as the trios Yeah, yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing as the trios titles. Like like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: if it's not being defended, if they're not making them
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: look important, they're not important. And something you said at
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the beginning of this conversation, Kelson, which I were that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and agree with completely, is that you know, the World
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Championship is not the most important type, same thing with
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Women's World champion With the Women's World Championship is
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: now the most important women's world championship in the history
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling in AW The TNT Championship also is fantastic
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: now and something that could be defended in other promotions,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: But the Men's World Championship in AAW looks like a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: consolation prize that might belong to Wheeler you to someday.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well look let's get the nets. Thoughts.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I'm having trouble with my mute. I don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: think that the Men's AW Championship is all that that
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: funny business with carrying it around in the briefcase. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: don't know. I like to see the belts. I like
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: them to hold the belts up and bow that they
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: have them, and have that arrogance about them, and you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: defending the belt anywhere anytime anyone here. I am. I've
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: got the belt. I don't feel like that about the
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Men's Championship, that they need to turn that around somehow.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I don't see Ricochet doing it. I can see Swerve
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: doing it, and I can see Hangman helping him do it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: That's what I think is going to happen, because Hangman
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: is starting to have that kindness to him and I
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: can see him wanting to uplift Swerve and help him
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: out a little bit, have Swerve be where he was
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: once upon a time. And they need to change it quick.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm really tired of the trios beelts. That's something
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: that I feel like they can do away with, so.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Especially since the holders at the Trio's belt are fa
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: out with injury.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they can do away with.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: The perfect, perfect opportunity to just say, you know what,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: let's just give it ato Trio's belt.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to go to something that Benji said, Well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: actually Benji's brother in chat said, Uh. He says that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Swerve is going to win the AW World title at
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Dynasty and then lose it to Hangman at him page
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: at all in it wishes that they melted the Trios
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Championship down. Look, got I gotta say, I gotta say
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: really three things real quick. Number one, Net, I agree
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: with you one hundred percent that the AW World Championship
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: needs to be seen. The whole thing with mocks being
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the physical embodiment of the World Championship is literally the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: dumbest ship I've ever heard in my life, because it
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is dumb. Uh. The second thing I'll say about that
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is human beings things are extremely visual in what they
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like and don't like. For example, men don't go out
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: men and women don't go out and buy the Sports
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Illustrated Swimsuit issue to read the articles.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: That has articles.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Allegedly allegedly. I mean there's pages that don't have don't have,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you know, bikinis on them and swimsuits on them, so
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I've assume that they're either advertisements or articles.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: US don't do that because I'm gonna have to and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: be crazy.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: The last, the last thing that I get to say
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: about this is that Swerve is now the number one
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: contender on this week's Dynamite. The show should open with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Swerve coming out, calling out John Moxley, squashing him in
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes, opening the briefcase, putting the belt around his
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: waist and get on with business. People are saying. Benjie
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: said that his brother said that Swerve should win it
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: at Dynasty and that some people are saying Eddie Kingston
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: at all in or whatever. That's way too long. I'm
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: sorry this needs to end now because I am adamant
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: about this. I don't have the numbers, but I know
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: as Look, I am as big an AW fan as
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: there is, okay uh, and I have no interest in
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the AW World Championship right now. I have no interest
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in John Moxley, I have no interest in the death Writers.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And this is somebody that was like over the moon
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: with the Blackpool Combat Club, the biggest fan at the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Blackpool Combat Club there was. But this whole shift it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: same guys, but different story. This needs to end now
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I know the.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Period, the same guys, different story. Let's divert to the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: trioers titles because in the past, when people have been injured,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they have lifted belts off of them and transition them
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to other talents in the locker room and call them
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: intrim championships. So if we have someone that's going to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: be out for an extended period of time, Tony, what
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: are you doing, bro, pull the trigger to drop the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: title off of them. Put a tournament on and let's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: get some trios going. In terms of John Moxley to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: earn the championship, mox did the thing. Mox is the winner.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Max is gonna get He's the guy. Whether you like
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it or not, Like that's the that's the thing that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: going on right now. You could hate it, and you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: should hate it. You should hate it because that's what
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: they want you to do. And that's professional wrestling. How
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: many times had go ahead?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I disagree with you, Shane, Yeah, they want you to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: hate it. They don't want it, to hate it to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the point where you're not watching it. And I have
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: seen so many people, including myself, how many times have
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I said it was that has said I. I literally
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: said this about the main event before it was announced
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: for Revolution. I hope that John Moxley against whomever he's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: fighting is the main event at Revolution because I want
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to go to bed early. I truly believe that this
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: storyline is losing viewers, it's losing interest in aw because
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they devote so much time to it and it's not working.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Why would you watch any TV show that isn't working.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And it's to me, it's disrespectful to people like Swerve
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and Ricochet and Tony Storm and Mariah May who are
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: putting their hearts and soul into everything that they're doing.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And then you have John Moxley and the death writers
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: come out and everybody that's been involved with it just
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: passionless bullshit. I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Don't apologize. Man, You're not the only person that feels
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the way. They'll like like the it invoked a feeling
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: out of you. That was what it was intended to do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But you know what, that's the cool thing about professional
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: or wrestling that these situations are designed, are designed to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: force fandoms to disagree. I I if I disagree with like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I'll be the one person. Holy crap, am I gone? No?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, the computers doing a weird thing like yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I'm still here. Like, though I disagree with you, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: don't think that's the case. And I think that the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: head I think that match needed to happen. I think
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: they needed to rip that money in the bank thing
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: away from Christian and put it on a different trajectory.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And I think that the death Riders needed to be relevant,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: just so it gives context towards what the next step is.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: If we're building factions, we could have the Bull Club
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: again with J White. J White was a factor in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this match, and and and Cope could be a fact
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: u U Cope having a faction of his own, but
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that tr could be a factor as well. That could
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you could build other stories out of these ideas. They
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: created a landscape for new ideas, and I think it's important.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Agree with you. I agree, I absolutely agree with you.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I absolutely acknowledge it. But in my mind, the reason
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and they had to get that money in the bank
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: contract off of Christian because it's you know, it seems
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like it's it seems like he's had it since all
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: in uh, the first one in London. You know, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't know what he's had it for months, but yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you as well.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I wanted when he catched it in. I wanted him
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to win it because I like I and everyone would
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: hate the idea of Christian holding the world championship. But
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: that's cool as hell. You're getting something that's not happening
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: anywhere else wrestling. Let him come out of the woodwork
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and take it off a mox with Cope in the background,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and give the rest of the locker room an opportunity
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to rise up and do something crazy. I think the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: only mistake they made in this uh, in this final
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: match was not putting this belt on Christian, doing the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: TNA thing, doing the Bangkok thing. What's the capital? What's
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the capital Thailand? It's Bangcock. They should have done the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: They should I thought it was t. I thought it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was t.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: You watch more women's wrestling than once, it might be.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know all the capitals of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: all the states and all the countries.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So, oh, you know better than we do right now,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I I Kelson. Let me ask you, dude, if you
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: were to rate like a They rated this as a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: five and a half star pay per view. The I disagree. Listen,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something controversial. Ciskel and Ebert controlled the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: rating system for movies for thirty six years. They were
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the standard for rating movies and what people looked to
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: in newspapers before they went to see movies. I don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't agree with it then, but it existed for
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a reason. Meltzer has been around forever. He's been reviewing
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling shows since the eighties. I think he has
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a right to say what is good and what is not.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: You he does, Yeah, well everyone who's a fan does.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: That's it's fair. But this is a guy like it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Look do you know about Meltzer's resume? Look at look
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: it up, dude. The dude's of political sciences major. That's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the thing. The dude is not an idiot. He's not
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: an idiot. Like he knows professional wrestling. He called Revolution
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of five star pay per view. I think it was
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a pot.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Well, let's put it this way, wrestling is at its
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: best what it doesn't cater to, uh, rocket scientists. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to say that it caters to idiots, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it caters to the everyman. It's an escape, it's escapism.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you shouldn't have to think if you don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: want to. There should be enough in there that just
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: happens that you can enjoy and the story tells itself.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be rocket science. And look, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: respect Dave Meltzer's ratings simply because he's a fan like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: me and like you and like net. You know, he
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: gives his ratings. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, honestly, I hard to refute that statement. Kelson.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I respect your opinion because you are the one of
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the more educated people on our server on professional wrestling history.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You've been around for a long time. Brother, But like
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I am intelligant, I'm just saying, trying to flew job,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just saying I'm bro I'm saying what it is, dude,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Like you were around for the w CW days.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: This brought for to Georgia Championship for Wrestling Days that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: which that became essentially w cw S.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, this pay per view was Bash at the Beach
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: ninety eight adjacent They this it was some of the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: coolest matches that in professional wrestling that have happened in
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the past three to six months happened on this pay
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: per view. My god, we're talking, We're killing We're talking
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: this uh this mox match to death. And I understand
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the controversy, but let's talk about the the best match
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: on the whole entire card, the women's match in the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Ospray match. The women's match was, my guy, it was cinematic,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it was it was amazing. It's brilliant.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: You want you want to hear something controversial.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Shane, dude, please do something right now.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something crazy, right, I agree with you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: The Mariah May and Tony Storm match with cinema, it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: was superb. It was fantastic. Absolutely, I am not saying
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't. I want to make that clear. The
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Monet and Momo Watana Bee match was better. That's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: my idea. I love I love the striking in that match. Well,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: let's face it, it was Momo doing the striking. She beat
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the living hell out of Mercedes Monet. She destroyed her.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm saying this. Understand that what I'm saying this
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is that that's the kind of match I like. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: like the toe to toe beating the crap out of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: each other match without doing those stupid chops. I hate
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the chops, you know, you know, I mean, chops are
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: cool when you do two or three. When you do
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty six in a match, it's a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: little much. Uh you know, I mean, you know, if
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you want, if you ever having trouble sleep in a night,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: count uh count tomohiro Ishi chops. But whether he's given
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: him or taking him, he doesn't matter. Whatever God forbid,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you put Eddie Kinks to the Tomo hero Ishi in
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a ring together. Oh my god, it's the chop chop, chop, chop,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: chop up. It's like boom.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: All right. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, I'm saying what I'm saying
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: not to be little in any way, shape or form.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The Tony Stormer Marian May match, which was fantastic, But
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that I actually enjoyed the Mercedes Monet and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: mamo Ataaba match a little bit more because that's the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: kind of match I like. To see.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: You know what, Kelson, You and I I've had the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: privilege of being to talk to you for almost it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a bit. But listen, don't go getting all sets and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: mets on me. Brother. It's almost been two years that
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I've had the PA. Don't go getting all sets and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: mets A on me, Bob. But it's almost two years
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: that I've been on this or in and out on
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: this server, and UH, we've had our agreements and our disagreements.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you right now that I I
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: believe the if if Momo and UH and Mercedes happened
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: on a Stardom pay per view, it would be just
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: as big as Tony Storm and Mariah May on the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: aw pay per view, I think. And I'm gonna the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: shade shades put it up. I'm gonna shades. What's up, dude?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, how are you? And I hope you're
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: doing well. I'm gonna put you on right now, shades
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: through the metric onto the server earlier today, the Mercedes,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: not the Mercedes, but the Tony Storm and Maria May
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: match is now metrically the fifth highest rated women's professional
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: wrestling match in the history of women's professional wrestling, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the Momo and Mercedes match doesn't even touch it. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I think that I think that's it's I think it's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the difference between an idea and a revolution. I think
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that Tony Storm Might is a contender for the greatest
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: women's professional wrestler in the history history professional wrestling.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And the absolutely agree with you. I absolutely agree.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: With you, Bro.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: The match they put on, well, what dude, the seeing
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: mo I get why seeing Momo in that match for
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you as a stardom fed you. You should have a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: completely different podcast for women's professional wrestling, Bro, because you
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: were putting them on hard as hell, and I wish
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it would get a million viewers and you would blow
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: up and it would be monetized because you were so
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: passionate about it. I agree with everything that you're saying
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: about how important it was for Mercedes and moment I
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: had that match, and how good that match was. It
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: was a gray match, But dude, you're not gonna sit
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: here and tell me that that f and Tony Storm
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and Mariah May wasn't better than that. Dude, it was.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: It was. I did not say that. I did not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: say that it was. And if I did. I didn't
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: mean it that way. I do not did not say
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that or mean to say that the Momo and Mercedes
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: match was better than the Mariah And it was what
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I'm saying as as far if you take the one
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: match the matches themselves, throw the stories out the window.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I just enjoyed the Mercedes and Momo match just a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: little bit better. Not it wasn't like, oh, the Momo
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Mercedes match was so good and the Tony Storm and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Mariah Maymax sucked. No. I never said that. I'm just
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: saying that if I had to go back and watch
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a match again, I would definitely watch the Mercedes and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Momo match because that's the kind of match that I enjoy.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, would you have preferred if Momo won?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna say this, Yes, I am
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a stardom fan. I don't really get Momo Watanabe. I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: really don't. Yeah, and no, I.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Think that she was a mid card and she's a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: mid card. Well.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: The thing with Momo Momo kind of how do I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: put this? She kind of isn't like she's kind of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like Sasha Banks was in WWE. Sasha Banks was a
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: singles force but toward the end of her run with WWE,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: go look at it. Look go look at her matches.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You know, her last year of matches at WWE, she
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: was doing nothing but tag team matches pretty much. That
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: was all she did. I don't think she had a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: singles match. If she did have a singles match in
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: her last year, it was maybe one or two. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that's kind of way MoMA was. MoMA was a singles
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: force when she came in to stardom, but then she
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: kind of just became a tag team or trios wrestler
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and she had I believe in all of I did
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: look it up, and I may be wrong here, but
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I believe she had one singles match in like twenty
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: twenty four and that was a loss to Mayui Watani
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and that was it. She's not a singles wrestler, so
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: taking that into consideration, she used to a singles wrestler,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: but taking the consideration that she's not a singles wrestler, really,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Eddie Moore, that made this match even more impressive to me.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, Shane, to answer your question,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I am not a Momo well taught to be fan.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's bad don't get me wrong. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just think that excuse me, I got take ups. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: just think that there's so many women in stardom who
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: were so much better than Momento.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I agree. I couldn't agree with that statement more so,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna show I'm gonna do my Shane thing really quick. So,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: like you know, we know that Sasha Banks premiered in
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: WW like she earlier in her career. In two thousand
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and eight, she was with Kadok for Wrestling and which
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Masters it was a Massachusetts based wrestling promotion, and then
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: she entered WW in twenty twelve and NXT. She was
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: a singles wrestler until twenty eighteen, and she and in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen she was was with Team Bad and she
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: wrestled a little bit. But like you're you're not wrong
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in the aspect of she spent the better part of
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: her career, the more established part of her career, the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: more successful part of her career. She was a tag
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: team wrestler. That's the thing, rob with Naomi. With Naomi,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: yeah for sure, But like the majority of her career
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: was spent with her being a singles wrestler. I mean
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: with MoMA, but it's the same thing for Momo. You
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: made you I think you accidentally made that comparison between
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the two of them because their careers kind of mirror
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: each other, because Momo kind of did the same thing
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: at stardom. She started as a singles got into a faction,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and then you know, ended up landing in other promotions
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: as a singles performer. I honestly, now making the statement
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: about the history, I would say that like moving on, Like, uh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to do something monumental with Mercedes Monai's titles,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you would have taken the TNT title off of her
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: at this uh pay per view. If we're having serious crop,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: we have rustled Dynasty coming up and forbidden Door, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: within the next six months, Dude, let her, let Mercedes lose.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I get that you're Tony Tony. I get you paid
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: for it. I get you paid for her to be here.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I get that she's a name. I get that she
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was huge. You know the Riot squad, dude, the Riot
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Squad like it was a it was Ruby Soho, Siah Logan, Live,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Morgan and Mercedes Mona. I get how big that was
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for you. But like now it's time to kind of
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: shake up the industry a little bit. I would have
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: put that belt on Momo. I wouldn't have thought twice
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: about it. I would not like it. Yeah, like that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: That would have been the thing to do, because now
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: we now we have a title for AW that's being
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: defended in other promotions, and that's what we've been looking
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: for in the inter Continental tru Tuttle that now we're begging.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: We have two intercontinental titles for the men in AW
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that we want to be defended in other promotions. That's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: not happening, but we've defended the women in New Japan.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That was an opportunity and the ball was dropped. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: think stardom. Stardom should have been put over here.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You know one thing I wanted to say, Shane, Shane,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I wanted to address something you said, and then we'll
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: go to net and get her. You know, you said
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: something about Mercedes me it's time for Mercedes Monet to lose.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: And I can't agree with you more, not because of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: any dislike for Mercedes Monett, but because it's good for
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the story. And I will give you this example, the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Mariah May and Tony Storm match and matches their trilogy
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of matches was made Well, no, there's not a true
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was it three matches or four three three? Okay? Yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: so it is a trilogy. There are trilogy of matches.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Was made better because Mariah May won. Yeah, because because
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: if Tony Storman won all three then there really wouldn't
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: have been a point than having the other two matches.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: You know, well, there would have been a point, but
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it would have made it special. There would have been
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: anything on the line. And that's the thing with Mercedes Monet.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: If she loses the TBS Championship, she could then go
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: after the Women's World Championship. She could go after the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: TBS Championship again, and it'll be something that will put
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you on your edge of your seat when that happens.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Losing the championship, losing the TBS title for Mercedes Monet
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: is not a bad thing, and it's not a slight
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: against Mercedes at all. She's still Mercedes Monet, one of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the greatest professional wrestlers that you know, women wrestlers, arguably
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: professional wrestlers you know of all time, So least in
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: her mind.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I think aw figured Wing out. I'm going to say it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I think they figured it out. I think Tony figured
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it out in the past three months, and I think
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that I, I official, well, we were so critical of
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: what was happening in AW with the women's wrestlers in
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the women women's locker room, and I think we're finally
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I'm I think that we're finally in a place to
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: say that some of the best things that are happening
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: in women's professional wrestling are happening in AW right now,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: and Tony figured out how to put them over and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I think removing some people from the picture was what
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: made it great. And I think that the direction that
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: they're headed in is going to be epic and I
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm I'm going to say something real weird.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not a politics politics guy. I don't think that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I think in a in a perfect where that a
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: women's world title and a men's world title exists in
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the same space, make it great, make it great for
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: both people, make it great for both sexes. I think
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Tony has an opportunity to show the world that the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: women are doing just as good. And I think that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: putting these two women together on this pay per view
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: proved that completely. The dude, this women match literally like
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: literally now metrically is considered to be the fifth greatest
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: women's professional wrestling, the best women's wrestling match in North America,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and the fifth greatest women's professional wrestling match metrically on Earth.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: But I would very strongly say that this is one
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of the greatest women's wrestling matches of all time. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I know that Momo and Mercedes deserve their spot on
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the their spotlight in the sun, dude, and I think
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it's going to come. But I think they need to
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: develop this middle title first, get it off of Mercedes,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: put Mercedes in the world title spectrum, and let someone
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: else from another company hold an a w title. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that's it's That's what's gonna make it look irrelevant. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: until that happens, why have middle those middling titles?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Before we go to net that. I apologize that for
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: just keeping I want to stay.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I went crazy. I apologize, but.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I want I wanted to make a point here. As
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Shane said, I am a Startom fan. One of the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: greatest things about Stardom for me is that they have
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a way of storytelling. And what I mean by that
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: is I don't speak Japanese at all. I know Sayonara
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and hi from watching you know Karate Kid and stuff
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like that. But but I guess my point is is
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that I want stardom, and I understand everything that's going
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: on in their shows. I understand their promotions because they're
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: expressive their body language. You understand what's happening. And when
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the Mercedes and Mama match was happening, that was a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: start of match. That was a pure stardom match from
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: beginning in the striking, the brutality of it was started
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: from an end. But when you think about it, so
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: was the Tony Storm and Mariah May match. That was
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: stardom theater right there. I mean, I think if you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: like Tony Storm and you like Mariah May and the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: matches that they've put on and the story that they've
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: put on, and you've never watched stardom before, go on
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to start them YouTube channel and do yourself a favor
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and watch a few of their fewer their highlights, and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I think you'll be impressed. Net I really wanted to
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: want to see you ground us and keep me and
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Shane quiet. They're calling for you in the chat saying
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: we want to hear a nuts take. I mean, sleep,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: dazzle us with your eloquence.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, my eloquence. I loved the Mercedes Momo match. I
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: absolutely did. I feel like Momo should have won that
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: match as well. I think we need to take some
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: of these aw titles, and like you all were saying,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: let them go around in the different promotions and be defended.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Not everybody has to come to a w to challenge
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: for titles. We can go other places and do other things.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I think Mercedes is a fantastic wrestler. She aggravates me
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: on a personal level, but she's good in the ring.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: And I would like to see more women's matches, more
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: defense of the women's belts in like I said, in
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: other places, and Tony Kahan is on the diverge of
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: doing it, and if he plays it right and does
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: it right, we can have fantastic women's wrestling and I
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: would love to see it for one. So I hope
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that we get more out of this, and Mercedes has
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of belts to defend, so the possibility is there.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I just want to see it. So that's my eloquent take.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Bet, I'm going to ask you a point blank question.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Now that Tony Storm has defeated Mariah May and had
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: her Hollywood ending who do you think is or who
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: do you think are the top contenders that you would
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: like to maybe like see face Tony Storm at Dynasty
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: which is coming up really soon, and even all in
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: what do you see in Tony Storm's future leaving Mariah
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: May out of it?
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, m I'm not sure. I personally really like Chris Stantlander,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: so I would like to see more of her, And
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know with Tony's Storm, I don't I really
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: What about you, Shane, do you have any ideas? Nope?
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I honestly think that the women's professional wrestling landscape and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: ae W was recent set by this and whatever happens happens,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna ride with it because they figured out
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: what works and it and it looks fantastic right now. Yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you can't put you can't put on you can't put
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: on the great I I have a bull Nanako China
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: like like like I like, I can't, I can't say
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: more dude, like like Alexa Bliss. We've had the privilege
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: of seeing some fantastic women's wrestlers in women's wrestling, but
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: they but they put that in a category like it's
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: a niche thing. Tony Kahan took it and said, hey,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: this is a human thing. It's a real thing. Let's
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: rock with it. This is one of the best women's
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: women's matches in the history of professional wrestling. I don't
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: care what direction it goes in. It's gonna be great
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: whoever they put up.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, here here's my thoughts. And I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I've expressed this before. I believe it was in twenty
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: twenty two when the AW Women's World Championship was vacated
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: due to injury by thunder Rosa, and afterward Tony Storm
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: became the interim Women's Championship champion by winning a I
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: believe it was a four way, maybe it was a
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: three way, but you want a multi women match to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: become the interim world champion, which eventually was changed to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: full World champion because thunder Rosa was injured and could
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: not come back. And again, you know, it's weird because
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: thunder Rosa and Tony Storm were tag team partners. They
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: were Thunderstorm together. Now taking into consideration that thunder Rosa
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: never lost that championship and has never faced Tony Storm
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: for that champion and all In is in Houston, Texas,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: which just seems to me. As far as all End goes,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: they've got to do Tony stormanth On the Rosa. That
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: that's my prediction. So I mean, but look, I mean,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I as far as Mariah May goes, I think she's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: just gonna take a little bit of time off. She
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: deserves it. She's been a workhorse for this. This story
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: has been going on for sixteen months. Sixteen months, nearly
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. That's how good it's been.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: It was wonderfully paced and everything. I mean, you could
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: ask for more from this story in my opinion, and
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure other some people may disagree with me, but
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody on this panel will. He will
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: at all. But I kind of see, you know, I
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: think it was I can't remember who it was posted
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it in Chad. I'm scrolling to see, Uh it was
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: it was Jets fan who said I wish that they
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: would melt the Trio's belts down and pretend they never existed. Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I agree, and they should immediately melt them down and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: create the AW Women's Tag Team Championship titles. And there
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: are so many tag teams that if you've been paying
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: attention to AW they have been building these tag teams
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: over the last several weeks. Maria May now is free
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: to go get her tag team partner. And who's her
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: tag team partner? Mina Shirakala Rose Gold do it. That's
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: what the That's what I think's next for Maria May do.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I think that Maria May and Mina Srikala will win
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the championship. Probably not because Mina Shirkala is under contract
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: for another closed period of time with Stardom. But it's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: good story. It's there, It's right there in front of
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: your face, you know, so let's do it. Other than
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: we've talked for a just an amazing amount of time
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: about the women, and I'm not complaining about it. I
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: love women's wrestling, and I really do, and they deserve
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to be talked about. And I hope Tony con realizes that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Let's go to will
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Osprey and Kyle Fletcher, not.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Tedny and Takesha.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about Kenny and Takesta.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about Teddy, Let's talk about Kyle
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and that I got to be honest with They had
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: me when they settle low. What I mean by that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: is when they came out for their entrances. Kyle Fletcher
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: came out first, climbed up to one corner of the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: steel cage, and then and then uh will Osfrey came
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: out to a different version of his music. He climbed
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to the other edge of the steel cage. When they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: actually hit his original music and the fans started chanting Osprey.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was subtle, subtle, but brilliant.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: That as Osprey was waving to the crowd to encourage them,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: the Osprey Osprey, at the very same time Kyle Fletcher
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: was over there plugging his ears.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was brilliant. I just thought it
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: was I thought that was brilliant. I was laughing my
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: ass off at Look, wrestling doesn't need to As I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: said earlier, you don't have to be a rocket scientist
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: to joy wrestling. That was one of the simplest and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: maybe even the dumbest thing that could have possibly happened.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I loved every second of that. And then you had
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: the match, and then you had the match.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Yea.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I could say bad about
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the Tony Storm and Mariah May match and will Osprey
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Fletcher match is that you can't post any
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: pictures of them on Reddit because they'll just take them
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: down because it was too much blood.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Oh oh god, those God, it was a it was
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: almost a smut film like, especially for the women. And
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if they blade it or
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: what happened in that situation. It just but god, it was.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: It was violent, but I think it was violence negating violence.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: It was a necessity in terms of Ospirey and Fletcher.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: That's got a five point seven rating on Cage Match.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Ospirey has I listen, hate me for saying it, Hate
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: me for hate for hate me for quoting uh Dave Meltzer,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: hate me for using this as a rest reference. I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit. I'm gonna say it plain as day.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna look at me and tell me that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the Osprey and Fletcher match wasn't one of the greatest
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: cage match Dude. That Spanish fly is comparable to the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Mankind Undertaker Helena cel ninety eight Mankind getting thrown off
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: into the into the Spanish announced desk. It is comparable
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: to that moment that Spanish fly they hit looked like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: someone might have died when they landed. On that fucking match.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, I'll stop hold then, Okay.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Them hitting that spot was compared terrible to the nineteen
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: ninety eight Hell in a Cell where where man thrown
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: off the steel cage. It was it was comparable, dude.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: There's there's no getting around that, dude. It was one
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: of the hardest spots hitting pro wrestling history. This was
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: a landmark match. I don't care what your preferred flavored
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling is. This was one of the greatest steel
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: cage matches in the history still cage matches.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Did you watch ups and downs either of you for
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: the show from a Revolution from Simon Miller?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I watch everything selling as Simon Miller does. I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: love him?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: No? I love Mike, but yeah no. But he mentioned
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: specifically that Spanish fly and he mentioned that he wrestled
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: over the weekend I guess or within the last week
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and he had a Spanish fly hit on him and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: he is scared to hell. I think he bit his
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: tongue and he said it his Spanish fly was done
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: off the top rope. And he said, do you realize
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: how tall a w steel cages are? And he said
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: when he saw that move. I can't remember what he said,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: but it was comparable to I thought these two men
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: were going to die. I do not think it was
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: comparable to the Hell in the Cell spot, Shane, that was.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Brother. We both saw it in real time. I am
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: old enough to say that I saw it in real time.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I know you saw it in real time. How is
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: it not comparable? No one expected it. What happened. And
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the difference between someone falling.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: Off of off of a cage situation, situation or a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: cell situation and then hitting a Spanish fly Dude, this Yeah,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: this was one of you.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: No, I agree with you that, but it just didn't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: have the wow for me. Uh, not as much it was. No,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: it was a wow moment.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: There were no tags for the Hell in the Cell
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: they like listen, I have recent Dark Side of the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Ring and I just uh showed some promos from the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: next first season six what's up? Watch it? But like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: when they hit that spot for Helen a cell with
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Mankind and the Undertaker like that, what Like, it's a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: different type of dangerous. It's a different type of dangerous
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: because they were protected, more protected with the Hell in
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: a Cell spot than they were with will Ospry.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Hellen the cell came first. That was that was specially.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to phrase it to where I don't take
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: away from what Kyle Fletcher will Osprey did because it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: was spectacular, it was wonderful, it was wow.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: But for me, you're not. I just don't think it is.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: You don't think it's comparable at the very least comparable.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I would go so much to say that if the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: ladders were two feet higher. The spot that it's comparable
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: to for me, more comparable to to me is Semi
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Kovar Stunner from Ladder to Ladder on Cody Roads for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: the TNT Championship Man the tt Championship match.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I saw that live in Cleveland, Bro, that happened, happened to.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: My home to me, Okay, understand this, understand this. I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: just want to say something real quick to me. That
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Stunner prompt that Spanish fly. Do you say that right now?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think that edge Adam Copeland hitting uh Jeff
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Hardy on that ladder match was harder than that?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it, Bro.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: That's wrestling history, Okay, I mean I listen, I get it.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I get your perspective, BRO, but I think that Spanish
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: fly might would have been that's probably I get the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Sammy Guvara Cody Roads thing went hard. I have the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: privilege of being able to see that live in my
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. But like, I really believe that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: that that went way harder than that.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I would said I'm a little bit biased because
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: of all the spots ever done in aw that's a bigavar.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Cody Roads thing is my favorite spot and I'll always
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: have a spot for it. I do want to ask Benji,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: if he's still here, and I think he is in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: our in our chat, if he would respond to this,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: and I'll once he responds, I'll let you know. There
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: was a he was in the crowd at Revolution and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: when Will Osprey was bleeding the on TV at the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: pay per view they showed I thought this was a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: pretty poignant moment. Is they showed him with blood streaming
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: down his face and you could hear the collective gasp
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: of the crowd, And I wanted to ask Beggie, wasn't
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: as loud as it sounded on TV that gasp? But anyway, Matt,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I love that match. I did they were doing some
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: phenomenal things. I like the fact that Fletcher wore those
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: knee pads that had Osprey's blood on them. Uh, just
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: the way they were behaving towards one another. I just
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: loved the whole thing. That Spanish fly was amazing. It's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: one of the best things I've seen. I'm right there
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: with Shane on that one. I just I just loved it.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: I thought the whole thing was just great, that that
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: was really really good. So I don't know, just me.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Beggie, by the way, did answer the question, and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: he said, simply, when it came to the crowd's gasp
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: at seeing I assume on the big screen will Osbury's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: face dripping with blood, was the gasp loud? He said,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: it was simply, but it was. Oh, let's move on
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: to thea Kashta, that gorgeous, being lovely and and Kenny Obega.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: What the hell?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: I want to mention that there were so many hipo
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: violations during that entire match. I'm surprised they weren't fine
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: callous having hold of Kenny's medical records, and all everyone
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: did is talk about where Kenny was was hurt, and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: just on and on. I thought they were going to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: get in trouble.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: But can I ask you a question? Yeah, did you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: know that Kenny Omega had two feet of his intestines removed?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I had heard that. I thought it might be a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: vicious rumor on the internet. So yeah, see, Shane is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: even shocked that it happened.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, Shane, Shane, did you
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: know that Kenny Omega had two feet of his intestines reboot?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: No idea. I haven't seen a single Kenny Omega match
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: until I.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Mean, you can make a drinking game out of that statement.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Kenny Omega is my favorite professional wrestler, uh and I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I resonate with him because like, uh, like, I'm a weirdo.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I follow Kenny Omega on the level. I watch his
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: uh youtubes, I watch his twitch streams. We played the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: same video games. Weren't the same RPGs? Kenny Omega rules, Yeah,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: this match was. Kenny Omega is the best seller of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: moves in the history professional wrestling and takeshtra. Holy crap,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: this match was fantastic. The like we might get another
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Kenny Omega belt collector run, it doesn't even matter this
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: this could be a revolution for professional wrestling. I'm on
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: a tangent. I'm sorry. I love, I love, I love,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I loved this match. I love, I love Kenny, I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: love Takeushta, I liked. I thinksha is fantastic.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I think I was lost. I love the Kenny, but
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I was sad that I didn't want anybody to lose
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: this match.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't either, and I just wanted them just to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: be be, just be there and just let it just be.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: That was just great.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: But no, but ae W was Listen. One of my
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: favorite a W matches was a dark match with Joey
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Janella and Kenny Omega and they dude, Kenny is going
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: to give us the best matches all the time forever.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: He did it in Japan, he did it and developmental
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: for excuse me, he did it and did a developmental
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: for Ring of Honor and w w E. Kenny is
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: going to give us the best matches forever. He is fantastic.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: He For those of you that don't believe that he
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: is not capable of cutting a promo, He's not scripting promos.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Kenny is Kenny when he cuts his promos, accept it.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I want Kenny to have this belt and rocket. I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: want him to get the other belts and Rocket. I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: want him to unify these intercontinental titles. I want I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: want to see Kenny do Kenny this way.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: What about Taqshta? What do you think's next for Taqueshta?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Now he's headed to Japan, Yeah, I think he's He's
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: signed with New Japan. Dude, He's gonna go run a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: faction in Japan and be a rock star and it's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: gonna be great. There are dude, he's one of those
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Japanese wrestlers that and he's young. He's going to have
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: a job forever and he's fantastic. Yeah great, let him
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: rock it out, dude. This is a let nature take
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: its core situation.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what's your thoughts here on this? Uh Net?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: I think Takesha will go over to Japan for a while.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate that he probably won't take Don Callous with him.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: But I love Kenny Omega. I've loved Kenny Omega forever
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: and I think that he is going to unify those titles.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to that match, and I'm I'm
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: just glad that Kenny is back. I was honestly looking
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: a little bit for some surprise support for Kenny in
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: the form of a bushie. But I'm glad that they
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: didn't do it and just let Kenny be out there
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: by himself telling his story. Uh, and Takesha looked fantastic.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: He is by no means a lesser wrestler. He is
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: great and he has many, many years of being great
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: ahead of him. So I just loved it. I love
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: just about everything that Kenny Omega does.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: You know I got you know that you brought up
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: something and I got to say something and I would
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: probably get banned from podcasts were saying this. I'm gonna
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: say it anyway because I have a question for you.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: This is so tasteless, but it's just, oh no, it's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: so me. You know, you brought up Don Kallus not
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: going to Japan with Takeshta. Yeah, what if he did?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: My question is if Don Kallas goes over to Japan
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and he's on Japanese TV, would the Japanese production crews
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: have to pixelate the vagina on Don Kallis's forehead.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: I wish we'd pixelated it here. Oh God, whatever happened
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: to that podcast you all were doing.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I just this is just the way my mind works
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: once I get up, once I got it in my head,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I had to say it. I apologize to everybody for
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: saying that, because now you know where my mind is.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I think I killed Shane.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Done.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm out, goodbye. I have a good eye, guys, I'm out.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: You know I want to I want to change gears.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I know how to keep Shane involved because I'm gonna
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: bring up this buddy. I'm gonna bring up his buddy,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Dave Meltzer.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: No, I can't say the F word on these podcasts.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Get the f out of here. No, dude, you're not
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: going to bring up Meltzer. Leave him alone. He's he's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: too busy, bigger critic in an autodideck. Leave him alone.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He did come out with the story.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Uh that uh is actually kind of interesting. Look n
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: C Double A Basketball March Madness is it's March, so
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: it's starting and of course yeah so yeah, so.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Like mostly in the March right now. It's not like,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: oh shit, like we're mostly in the March.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What I'm saying is that the March Madness,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: which is the n C Double A basketball tournament is
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: uh is coming and it's coming to t n T,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: which of course is the home of a W Collision.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: So the news coming out today is that it is
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: going to affect the Ncuba tournament, is going to affect Collision,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And this is really interesting. What affected WW on March
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: twenty second and March twenty third, which is two weeks
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: from now, Collision runs on the same night as well.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Collision would run on the same night as the Ncuba tournament.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: What ALW is, what AW has decided to do is
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: that they are going to tape the Collision on Wednesday
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: night in Omaha during obviously after Dynamite, Okay, They're going
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: to break it up into two separate shows, and they
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: are going to air them on the twenty second and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: twenty third, which is a Saturday and Sunday after the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Ncuba Basketball Tournament games. Now, those games start at eight o'clock,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: so you're looking at probably eleven o'clock. You're gonna have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: a one hour Collision on Saturday night, the twenty second,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: and a one hour Collision at Sunday night on the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: twenty third, both of them starting at probably eleven PM.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: And the reason they're doing that is to make them
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: one hour shows. Is because they feel that if the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: show starts at eleven eleven PM, you're gonna lose most
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: of your audience by the time the show's over at
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: one am, so they're separating into two shows. I mean,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty interesting decision for AW to do.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: What do you guys think, Try it and see what happens.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Then, I don't know. Well, the other well, the other
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: interesting thing is is that if for some reason the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: eleven pm start, look you're getting, you're getting a great
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: lead in right from the NCAA tournament. So I don't
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: think that that can be really used as a factor
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: in the barometer of this. But if the one hour
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: show works, why not do Shockwave at eleven pm after
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Collision on Saturday night or whatever, or a ten pm
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: it after Collision on Saturday night. You never know. So
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I just thought that was interesting, Shane. You had brought
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: up something earlier about well Camille and Wardlow.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Oh god, oh please listen. I'm a psychopath. I've broken
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: news on here that has actually been real, and I
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: don't want to be this guy. I just I like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: spend like I'm obsessed with professional wrestling and I love
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: the sport and I love the idea of it, and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I will never stop doing what I do. I'll be
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: a menace forever.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: So like Camille or where do you want me to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: start with Wardler?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, whatever you want.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Wardlows from Ohio. He's out there in Los Angeles, like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: shooting movies, movies, I think, I think, but he but
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: the but they didn't say movies. They said Wardlow's doing
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: projects quote unquote. He that that that's what he's doing
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: right now, and uh, it's uh, it's comparable to guys
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: that top, guys that like look like bad guys in movies,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: and that's what he's doing. I think the moment more
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: intriguing thing is the Camille story. So I was doing
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: research today on Camille and Camille is in trouble. She's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: in trouble because, uh, she is how do I say
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: this respect I don't know how to say disrespectfully. She's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: being ghosted by her She's being ghosted by her boss
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: because she's an asshole and no one wants to deal
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: with her because she expected to get things from Tony
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Kahan that she's not getting and no one's talking to her.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: She still works for aw she's still getting paid, but
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: but she's been getting ghosted by her boss.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: And the first time that this has ever happened in AW,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: isn't I.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: This?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Well, well Camille had some things to say about AW
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: after she didn't agree with her where her from a
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: creative direction was headed, and she had some things to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: say about this a couple of months ago, and it
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: went by the wayside and everyone got really quiet about it,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: and it's stagnated, and this is where we're at right now.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: So the the rumor, I'm not going to say it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: a fact. I'm not saying I have breaking news. I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: have to say this because I was quoted by SRS.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: I just had to say it plain in his day,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: like this is the This is just like for me
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: digging in like she is not. She's not doing too
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: good right now, So like what's the thought on that?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, look, I've said it before and I've
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: said it again. You know, when it came to like
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: the CM punk stuff and all that. This is the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: way I look at it. I think he's a wrestler.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I think he I think he was a whipping boy
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: in UFC too.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: But look, look, this is the way that you stand
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: punk was the reason you and I didn't talk for
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: two months, Like I fell out of the fan hub
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: community because I went on full Tinfoil had bullshit over seampunk,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: but Camille, like I thought.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: That was funny anyway. But anyway, but this is the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: way I look at stuff like this, Shane Buddy, when
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: it comes to seem punk and anything that said, backstage
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: reports and stuff like that, if I'm not there, I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: don't care, meaning I don't care to give my opinion
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: on something because I don't know. I mean, we could speculate,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: but that just makes an ass out of you and
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: me because we're just assuming stuff. We're not talking about facts.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: That's that's really my stance on it. I mean, I
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: really when the whole CM punk and Jack Perry and
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Tony Kahan thing went down, people were just spewing stuff
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: like they were backstage. I wasn't, so I didn't have
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: an opinion.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Well, Jack Perry's coming back, Camille's not, and Camille's been
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: public about her. Camille has been very public about her
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: relationship to the promotion she's signed to, which makes no
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: sense because why slammed the person who's sign and page
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: checks dude, like like that's the thing. And it's like, Camille,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: you came from NWA Billy Corgan's promotion, which NWA is
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: fun and they have a lot of cool stuff going
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: on over there, and I would like to see, you know,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: and I want to see all. I love AW. But
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: but my perspective on professional wrestling is that I want
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: to see everyone blow up. I want to see GCW
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: blow up Jason, I'm not Juggalo. I want to see
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: j CW blow up. Yes, seen Steven flow yet he's
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: fun as hell, Like I want to see people blow
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: up in other promotions. And she chose to get involved
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: with ae W and then and then after she wasn't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: getting what she wanted from the promotion, she slandered them
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: on on the media. That's what That's what happened. That's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: exactly what happened. That's a fact.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe it wasn't that she didn't get what she
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: wanted from the vote from the promotion, or was it
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: that the promotion wasn't get what they wanted out of her?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: You know? Again, That's that's the point I'm making, is
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't there, so I don't know what was
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: going on. I don't know what was said. I don't
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: know the details of her contract. I don't know if
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: for all we know Mercedes said, look, I don't want
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: to work with this person anymore.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Why would Mercedes say that she's working with she's.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Mercedes, Mercedes, Mercedes relented the willow overseas she put over
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: some Mercedes is a consonant for professional Kelson. I spoke
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: out against Mercedes Monette hard as f when she got signed,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: and you were the person that was like, hey, Shane,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: by the way, she's the reason that women's wrestling is
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: becoming more relevant. Aw I literally had to take a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: step back and look into that and that you were
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent right, dude. Camille is a person, and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: she is a hardworking person and a hard working professional
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: that has indiscretions with her boss that are clearly not
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: being resolved. That's a thing. It's evident. It's a thing.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm saying it. I'm saying it on the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: podcast behind a microphone.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, something's going on, something's going.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: On, something's going on, something, something's going on. But is
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: it that important that we need to have like like
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: this was just supposed to be like a point in
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: the podcast, like, is she that important? No, she was
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: an NWA champion, she had the opportunity to be a
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: bigger thing in aw and she's got problems with their
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: boss that she hasn't resolved yet. So figure it out
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: and be there. People want to see you wrestle. You
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: could either be a presence for your fans or you
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: could relegate yourself back to a mid car promotion run
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: by a guy in the Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, yeah, like
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: and do the Smashing pump melancholy And they've been in
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: sickness ruled but do they.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, let's have some fun, you know, get off of
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: this kick. What do we think the Wardlow is doing
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: right now that he's doing these what are the events.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: We are You know, he's playing movies. He's playing a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: bad guy in BYD movies and I hope he is Okay,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: have any ideas.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know what word though is doing. It could
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: be a number of things.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: One thing he's not doing is wrestling. I mean he
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: had at a match schedule that he was pulled from it.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Uh so that maybe when that happens that generally means
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: a return. Uh. Personally, I think word though has been
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: gone because and of course I want to preface this
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: by saying this is pure Kelson speculation. And when I
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: say Kelson's spelation, you can replace Kelson speculation with one
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: word stupid. So I think that Wardlow is, as Shane said,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: filming not nine but a movie. Uh. He is doing
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: the Richard gear role in Pretty Woman with Sidney Sweeney
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: and the Julia Roberts role.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Oh god, why can't I say the effort on this podcast, Kelson?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: That's exactly you know what I'm not gonna do. I'm
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: not gonna do Shane, Shit, that's what you think about.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: You've seen You've seen Wardlow in a suit. The dude
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: looks like your rich playboy bro.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: He worked at the bar I get myself, you know,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I got my I was. I get myself
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: in trouble for talking about stuff.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Hey Wardlow, I've seen you in a suit at the
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Barley House at West Sixth in downtown Ohio.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Dude, way, well, well, well, well, what what's the thing?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Don't dude? That's a thing.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: That's a thing you gotta say I don't know. I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: don't have to. You're gonna make me look it up.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Just tell me what the Barley house is inquiring.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: A bar owned by a douchebag dude. He cut Wardlow
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: cut his He cut his jib in the Pennsylvania like
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: my book, Tyler, Listen.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: You're not saying anything. Listen, I need a.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Second to get my words together, Like Wardlow was built
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: out of the Pennsylvania system. And he was built out
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: of the same system that Adam Cole and Britt Baker
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: came out of. And and he is a rock star,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: and we I want Wardlow back. I believe that he
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: has the potential to be a top guy in aw
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: but but he's habitually injured. He is seven foot something,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: what is he six?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's that big. He just looks tall.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, let's let's listen. I have no evidence as
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: to what Wardlow is doing in Las Vegas. I only
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: know that he's an Ohio guy. That's what I know.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: He's been there.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Speaking of returns, how excited are we about Eddie Kingston.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: I mean he's been.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Oh God, I am beside myself. Give you with joy.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Kelson's doing a bed.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: What can I guys?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: What are you look?
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know why Edie.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: I won't be a co conspirator to this. I'm out.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: And disrespect.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? I'm showing brother, I love you.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not showing you no disrespect. I am out of this.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I love Eddie Kingston.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: To this podcast so he knows.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: I hope everybody listens to this podcast because they should.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: This is like these these spaces are important for professional
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: wrestling because you've got to let a tribal a lot
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: of tribalism and a lot of places, but it's not
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: it's very rare to have an organic perspective from fans
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: that are not angry or spiteful or jaded or manipulated
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: by the narrative. And this is a place where we
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: have an opportunity, We have an opportunity, we have the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: responsibility and an opportunity to say, Hey, this is what
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: it is you need to say, you need to say.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I love Eddie Kingston, right, I.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Love Eddie Kingston. I'm literally sitting here just drenched in sweat,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: anticipating and this is right now. But you know, you know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: but Shane, what you said is right. You know, this
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: is what the AAW fan Hub is about. We want
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: to have fun wrestling. I said it earlier. It's not
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: rocket science. It's fun. It's fun. It's supposed to be escapism.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: We want to escape. We don't mind people coming in
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: with different opinions. We have ww fans on this podcast.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: We have WWE fans on the AEW fan Hub subreddit that, honestly,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: they don't appreciate, not saying that they don't like They
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: don't appreciate AW as much as they appreciate WWE. But
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: you know what, they come on there and they're civil
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: and they make they put effort into their comments, and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: they make a point without being condescending. They ask questions,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: they state why they may not enjoy something as much
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: as what they're preferred. Promotion is. That's fine. We don't
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: take bias against that. We only care about the people
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: that have an opinion that are willing to share it
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: and be part of the community, not against it or
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: a detriment to it.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: It should be a benon Kelson, I'm gonna double down.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: It should be a community because we're all here for
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: the same reason. Brother, we love professional wrestling. And we
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: all come from a place where we grew in it,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: and we should not use it as a platform to
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: spread hate or vitual. We're all here for the same
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: reason to see cool stuff. Like you disagree, well, look,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: we could disagree with each other about how we perceive
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: things to be happening, but at the end of the day,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: we're all gonna still meet here in the middle and say,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: hey man, it's happening and it can't happen.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Look, we have the Wrestling Hub Discord server. It's a
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: very active server, and we have AW fans, WWE fans,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: New Japan fans, Joshi fans, Lujah fans, Indie fans. There's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: talk about everything every day. Am I right or am
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: I wrong?
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: You my brother, you're right.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: All right. When's the last time you saw anybody have
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: a tribalistic spat on that server? And I haven't. I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: haven't either. I can't remember the last time I've ever
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: had to remove a post other than somebody accidentally posting
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: a spoiler in the wrong channel or something like that.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Those are the only posts that get removed, you know,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: and they can just repost it, you know, in the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: proper channel. But my point is is that WWE fans
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: and a w fans can get along because WWE fans
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: and a W fans on our discord server are talking
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: to each other, and they talk to each other a
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: lot about a lot of different things.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Heyn some of the coolest things that that that's happened. Dude,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of cool things happening happening in
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: w W E two and AW is my preferred flavor
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: of professional wrestling at the end of the day. Let's
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: take it. Let's take the take this at base value.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: We're all here for the same reason. And Kelson said
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: it escapism. If it's not escapism to you, it's something
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: you're genuinely passionate about. And let's all be here for
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: each other. Don't don't talk shit to someone just because
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: they disagree with you, and and don't spread misinformation because
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: we need more of the real out there. We want
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: to see the cool stuff that's happening, and we all
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: got to get together for that to happen.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Man, go ahead, net I'll give your name out.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: I was speaking of cool stuff. Did you see the
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: news about Mr.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Where's Me?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: He and his wife have gotten back together, renewed their
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: wedding bounce.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, isn't that sweet?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: J got back together?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but that's that's that's that's good news. I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those weird people that like to see
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: people be happy instead of miserable. Mean, you know, and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: so if they're at the obviously they were obviously in love.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah before Uh, it sounds to me like they had
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a disagreement or whatever. Again, I
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. Uh, they split up, they got back together
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: for forever. I mean, I think that's great news. Yeah,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: I think that that That actually made my night.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: That made It's a good wrap up to this Podkelson. Yeah,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: we get to we get to go out a good
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: note outside of aw.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, Dynamites tomorrow night. All we talk right
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: after Dynamite. Maybe we do get swear Strickland calling out
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: John Moxley and winning the championship in the first thirty
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: seconds of the show. We can I can dream, I
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: can dream. Hey we may see Speedball Mike Bailey, Oh god,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: you know, there's.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: So many we have so many prospects on their way
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: to aw speed My goodness.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: I love I love Speedball, Mike.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: I know hey, we got Look, look, there's gonna be
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: some There's gonna I mean, we've already known that MJF
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: is gonna be there tomorrow night and speaking live, which
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: is always a good time.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Look, we have stories that need to be furthered, We
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: have stories that need to be begun, so you know,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: and the way that Dynamite and Collision have been running
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, specifically ever since they joined Max,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: it's just hit a little bit different, and I mean
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: that in a very positive way. I expect tomorrow night's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: show to be very much worth watching, and I hope
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you'll watch it with us in our live chat on
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: the aw fanub subreddit and of course on a wrestling
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Hub discord, and you'll join us tomorrow night to talk
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: about Dynamite right here on our discord the Wrestling Hub
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: for the aw fan Hub podcast team.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: This is Kelson, This is Shane die Bud.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: This is Nat. Good night, everybody, good night, any in
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Yah