Latest / Family Tree Food Stories / Revolutionary War Recipes You Can Cook at Home: Part #4 of our American Revolution Food Series
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- 0:05. Nancy A. May: Hello, everybody.
- 0:06Welcome back to another episode of Family Tree Food and Stories, where
- 0:09every single dish has a little bit of history and certainly a story.
- 0:13I'm Nancy May, or Fancy Nancy, as we've been saying behind the scenes, your host
- 0:19Sylvia France: And I'm Sylvia Frantz, your co-host
- 0:21Nancy A. May: Yes, you're fancy too, darling.
- 0:24So Sylvia, before we launch into this week's show, I'd love to give
- 0:27a quick shout-out to a few folks who are listening to our show.
- 0:31We've got a great following, and especially in Ashburn, Virginia,
- 0:35Council Bluffs, Iowa, and some of the great folks in St. Petersburg,
- 0:40our home state of Florida, are among those and many others around the world
- 0:45Sylvia France: We are thrilled that you're joining us each episode,
- 0:48and we look forward to giving a shout-out to more of you next week.
- 0:52Nancy A. May: Absolutely
- 0:53Sylvia France: So today, Nancy, honestly, I've got every single burner on our stove
- 0:58firing at once, and the oven is actively starting to give off a lot of heat.
- 1:02It's going to be an absolute barn burner and madhouse around here today
- 1:08Nancy A. May: It sure is.
- 1:09But before we start stirring up our pots, would you do us a favor and head
- 1:13on over to podcast.familytreefoodstories, give us a quick review, and
- 1:19four stars please, smile, smile.
- 1:22And share this episode with someone who loves to cook and loves a good
- 1:26story, and wants to know where the food they ate today or yesterday came from.
- 1:31We're right here every week with a brand-new episode dropping
- 1:34every single Thursday morning
- 1:36Sylvia France: So our big America 250 birthday grand finale, we decided to
- 1:41stop talking about the history and stories of what everyone ate and bring it
- 1:45straight into our modern actual kitchens
- 1:48Nancy A. May: Yes, that's correct.
- 1:49We are doing a marathon of cooking, a full day of it, of Revolutionary War
- 1:54comfort food, from morning breakfast to an evening meal, and sharing how you can
- 1:59make sure that you can enjoy exactly what old George ate and others during that time
- 2:06Sylvia France: And I don't want you to worry.
- 2:07You don't need to hunt down weird, obscure ingredients from 1776 because everything
- 2:13we're making is shockingly simple
- 2:15Nancy A. May: It really is.
- 2:16And if you have cornmeal, peanut butter, yes peanut butter, chicken,
- 2:22some macaroni noodles, some navy beans, and a few apples in your pantry
- 2:26right now, you can cook the exact same menu that we're making here today.
- 2:30And you know what, Sylvia?
- 2:32Sylvia France: What?
- 2:33Nancy A. May: It turns out that the instinct to cook your way
- 2:36through stressful times hasn't changed that much in 250 years
- 2:40Sylvia France: Oh, absolutely But before we start chopping, glasses
- 2:45up What are we drinking today?
- 2:47Nancy A. May: Well, our tradition now is a toast, but today we're
- 2:51just drinking black coffee, a mug of it, maybe, maybe a whole pot of it.
- 2:56Because it's not 5:00 in paradise just yet, and we have some serious
- 3:01cooking ahead of us, Sylvia
- 3:03Sylvia France: Well, it's always 5:00 somewhere, but fair enough.
- 3:07A toast to comfort food then.
- 3:09Whatever chaos is going on outside, we still boil, saute, and
- 3:13bake to feel a little bit better
- 3:15Nancy A. May: That's correct.
- 3:17And 250 years apart, that part just hasn't changed that much.
- 3:22So what do you say, Sylvia, that we just roll up our sleeves, put
- 3:25on the aprons, and get cooking?
- 3:27Sylvia France: I'm ready, so let's go
- 3:30Nancy A. May: so my cast iron is heating up and I'm handling the
- 3:34morning shift with two absolute classics hoecakes and peanut soup
- 3:40Sylvia France: I can't wait for this.
- 3:42Can you explain a hoecake for everyone who hasn't had the pleasure to try one?
- 3:47Nancy A. May: Absolutely.
- 3:48I haven't had the pleasure yet either, so we're gonna taste that with you.
- 3:52think of it as a thick, deep, savory cornmeal pancake where the edges get
- 3:57crispy in the grease, lard in that day and age, maybe a little bit butter today.
- 4:02and George Washington ate these every single morning of his life.
- 4:06They were just swimming in butter and honey
- 4:08Sylvia France: I wonder if it was the back, the backstroke
- 4:10that they were swimming in
- 4:11Nancy A. May: Right?
- 4:13Sylvia France: but it sounds perfect to me.
- 4:15And what's the secret batter?
- 4:17Nancy A. May: So It's just white cornmeal.
- 4:19This batch of cornmeal actually came from our good friend Steve Melton over
- 4:23in Dade City, with a pinch of salt, a little bit of sourdough starter, or
- 4:28if you don't have that, you can try active dry yeast, and boiling water.
- 4:32And that's it
- 4:34Sylvia France: there's no flour in these hoecakes?
- 4:37Nancy A. May: Nope, no flour at all, which you typically have in pancakes.
- 4:40You just scald the cornmeal with a little boiling water, add the starter,
- 4:45and make it into a thick paste.
- 4:47It's totally foolproof.
- 4:49You know, even Ben Franklin was obsessed with them.
- 4:52however, rumor has it that Ben preferred his with a glass or two of Madeira wine
- 4:58on the side, even early in the morning
- 5:01Sylvia France: but it is classic Franklin.
- 5:04Now, you have to address the forklore.
- 5:07Did people actually bake these on the back of a literal garden hoe?
- 5:12Nancy A. May: Well, yes and no.
- 5:13You see, enslaved laborers working out in the fields absolutely did
- 5:17use garden hoes or the iron garden hoes often in front of, often over
- 5:23fire pits out of sheer necessity.
- 5:25But our friend Steve pointed out in his research, the big estate kitchens,
- 5:30well, the hoe was just actually another term for an old flat iron grill.
- 5:36But can you hear that sizzling, Sylvia?
- 5:38Sylvia France: I can.
- 5:39It sounds beautiful.
- 5:40Music to my ears
- 5:42Nancy A. May: Now, while these fry up, I'm gonna knock out some
- 5:45colonial peanut soup right next to it
- 5:48Sylvia France: Peanut soup for breakfast?
- 5:50That sounds kind of weird to me, Nancy.
- 5:52It sounds more like dessert
- 5:55Nancy A. May: Well, it was one of George's favorites.
- 5:56So I promise you it's not sweet like hoecake syrup.
- 6:00It's actually deeply savory, earthy, and totally velvety
- 6:06Sylvia France: How are you making this so fast?
- 6:08Nancy A. May: Well, if you only have a few minutes, this is the
- 6:11way you do it, and that's typically the way it was made back then.
- 6:14You just quickly whisk in smooth unsweetened peanut butter.
- 6:18Remember, don't get the kind at the grocery store that has sugar in
- 6:21it, and put that directly into some hot boiling chicken stock with some
- 6:26minced celery and onions, although I recommend you saute up those celery
- 6:30and onions first before you put them in
- 6:32Sylvia France: So was that crunchy peanut butter or smooth peanut butter?
- 6:36And was that really it?
- 6:38Nancy A. May: It was smooth peanut butter.
- 6:40Now, you add a splash of heavy cream just to smooth it out even more so.
- 6:45And in the end, it takes about 15 minutes
- 6:48Sylvia France: That sounds awesome and it smells incredible already but
- 6:52the history behind this one is heavy
- 6:55Nancy A. May: It really is.
- 6:56At Mount Vernon, an enslaved chef named Hercules Posey ran the entire
- 7:01kitchen operation for George.
- 7:03You know, we talked about him and how he brilliantly walked out on George's
- 7:07birthday to get his own freedom that one was in the last episode.
- 7:12However, Hercules was a genuine culinary celebrity of the day, and
- 7:17peanut soup itself really evolved from the West African peanut stews brought
- 7:21over and adapted by enslaved people
- 7:24Sylvia France: That's a vital reminder.
- 7:26The bedrock of American cuisine was built by the genius of Black chefs.
- 7:30Nancy A. May: Yes, it was.
- 7:31And on that note, my hoe cakes are ready to be flipped, and the soup is thickening
- 7:36up, and breakfast is officially served.
- 7:39Grab your spoon
- 7:40Sylvia France: I am for sure
- 7:43Nancy A. May: Okay, so, now that we're done cleaning up breakfast, we're gonna
- 7:46fast-forward and clock into midday.
- 7:49The kitchen is officially smelling like roasted chicken and bubbling cheese
- 7:55Sylvia France: Welcome to lunch, which fun fact, was actually the biggest,
- 7:58heaviest meal of the day in 1776.
- 8:01It was usually served around 2:30 in the afternoon
- 8:05Nancy A. May: You know, That's perfect timing because I have a
- 8:07gorgeous spatchcock chicken resting right here on the cutting board.
- 8:12I think the name spatchcock was invented by some guy somewhere
- 8:15Sylvia France: I'm sure it was.
- 8:17So can you tell them about the technique?
- 8:19Your Bob actually taught us this one, right?
- 8:22Nancy A. May: He did, and swears by it.
- 8:24And I won't touch it.
- 8:26Sylvia France: Smart girl.
- 8:26Let him do the work.
- 8:28Nancy A. May: You just cut the backbone out completely out of the whole chicken
- 8:31and press it flat, or in my case, I would say smash it flat, and throw it
- 8:35into a hot cast iron pan skin side up
- 8:38Sylvia France: Is smashed a real culinary term?
- 8:41I don't think
- 8:42Nancy A. May: In my book it is.
- 8:45Sylvia France: But I understand it cuts your roasting time right in half.
- 8:48If you don't have a Bob to help you with your spatchcocking, you can buy a
- 8:53whole chicken, at most meat departments at grocery stores such as Publix
- 8:57will remove the backbone for free.
- 8:59All you have to do is ask.
- 9:01And ask also to keep the backbone so you can make homemade bone broth later.
- 9:06Even Trader Joe's has a rosemary lemon spatchcock chicken
- 9:10which gets amazing reviews
- 9:12Nancy A. May: Hmm.
- 9:13And with spatchcocking, you get a maximum crispy skin and the
- 9:17breast stays incredibly juicy.
- 9:19So before you put it in, though, just rub it down with butter, a little
- 9:22salt and pepper, some fresh thyme, and for a little extra flavor, throw some
- 9:27roasted garlic right under the skin
- 9:30Sylvia France: It looks absolutely amazing but check this out I have
- 9:35some macaroni and cheese that I just pulled out of the oven
- 9:39Nancy A. May: Whoa, that looks pretty amazing.
- 9:41It's golden and crispy and bubbling all on the top, Sylvia.
- 9:45It's spectacular, and it smells delicious.
- 9:48Now, people think that mac and cheese is this modern processed box, orange
- 9:53and gold, you know, Kraft, but that is pure fork lore, our term again.
- 9:59however, We owe this exact classic, to Thomas Jefferson and his brilliant
- 10:04enslaved chef, James Hemings.
- 10:06You see, Hemings trained under the finest master chefs in Paris,
- 10:10ooh la la, and brought those elite French techniques back to Virginia.
- 10:15That's the Fancy Nancy part.
- 10:17Sylvia France: Oui, oui.
- 10:19And for the sauce today, I went full Heming style.
- 10:22I started with a classic French béchamel, just a simple butter and
- 10:26flour roux cooked with warm milk.
- 10:29Then I loaded it with freshly grated Parmesan, mozzarella, and Romano cheese.
- 10:34I tossed a whole box of cooked elbow noodles in the baking pan and poured the
- 10:39sauce right over it with a little butter
- 10:42Nancy A. May: So I got a question for you, Sylvia.
- 10:45This one I'm a little skeptical on.
- 10:47Did James Hemings actually use those specific cheeses, Parmesan,
- 10:52mozzarella, and Ro- and Romano?
- 10:53I mean, really, this is colonial times
- 10:56Sylvia France: Absolutely he did.
- 10:57I pulled an exact recipe directly from the National Archives of Thomas Jefferson.
- 11:03Hemings was sourcing these European cheeses to recreate the high-end
- 11:07dishes he mastered in France
- 11:09Nancy A. May: You know, that's amazing.
- 11:10and then you just put it all together and it just bubbles
- 11:13up in about eight to 10 minutes?
- 11:15Sylvia France: I'll use what the boys said when they were
- 11:17little, easy cheesy is what it is.
- 11:20James,
- 11:21Nancy A. May: I love that
- 11:22Sylvia France: James Hemings' exact 1700s technique is literally how we make
- 11:26gourmet homemade mac and cheese today.
- 11:29Jefferson just gets the credit because he wrote it down in his own records
- 11:33Nancy A. May: Okay, now while your Southern table is looking fantastic
- 11:37with mac and cheese, we can't leave out my old home stomping grounds of
- 11:42New England for dinner, of course.
- 11:45What do you have brewing in that Crockpot over there?
- 11:48Sylvia France: You know, I would never leave New England out.
- 11:51so what I made today was a true northern staple.
- 11:54authentic Revolutionary War-style New England baked beans
- 11:59Nancy A. May: wow, the molasses smells just incredible.
- 12:02Now, I've never made baked beans myself other than opening a can, but
- 12:07how long have these been cooking?
- 12:09Sylvia France: Literally all night.
- 12:11In colonial New England, especially around Boston, these were traditionally started
- 12:15on Friday night and baked low and slow in a brick oven for Saturday dinner.
- 12:21You'd take dried navy beans, soak them, and then layer them in a pot of salt
- 12:26pork and dark molasses, a little mustard, and an onion stuck with whole cloves
- 12:32Nancy A. May: And then back then they didn't even have refined
- 12:34white sugar, so they used molasses as the ultimate flavor engine.
- 12:39Although I think I'm gonna ask Bob to make a brick oven for us in the back.
- 12:43Sylvia France: I'm sure he'll do it for you.
- 12:44But the salt pork melts completely into the beans over 12 hours, making
- 12:49them insanely rich, smoky, and sweet.
- 12:52It's pure northern survival food that became an absolute cultural classic
- 12:58Nancy A. May: Yeah, there are restaurants that have been named after that one.
- 13:01So I see you also brought out some serious side dishes to balance
- 13:04out some of that rich dairy and heavy molasses in the beans too
- 13:09Sylvia France: Oh, you know I have to.
- 13:11I've got a big heap of homemade sauerkraut and some crisp fermented
- 13:15pickles that I made myself.
- 13:17Just a little thyme, salt, and vinegar doing their magic.
- 13:21Though, full disclosure, the hardest part is remembering to burp the sauerkraut
- 13:26jar every day during the first week of fermentation so it doesn't explode
- 13:33Nancy A. May: Explode?
- 13:34Oh, boy.
- 13:35I can't imagine exploding sauerkraut in my kitchen.
- 13:38Now that's a bad day.
- 13:40but back then fermenting wasn't a trendy hobby.
- 13:44Now that makes me sound old.
- 13:47it was pure survival.
- 13:49It allowed families to store food for months and literally prevented
- 13:53scurvy during those brutal winters.
- 13:55You know, my sister out in Oklahoma is a big canner.
- 13:58I haven't done it.
- 13:59Actually, I shouldn't say that.
- 14:00I did it with my mom once, and we both decided we'd never do it again.
- 14:05Sylvia France: Well, the great thing about doing the pickles and the sauerkraut,
- 14:08you don't have to can anything.
- 14:09So literally you can make it in your pantry, a dark pantry, and
- 14:13also in your refrigerator as well.
- 14:15So there's none of that boiling and all that process.
- 14:18it's really, as I said earlier, easy cheesy.
- 14:22Nancy A. May: peasy . I'm gonna have to give it a try then
- 14:24Sylvia France: Yes.
- 14:25And the acidity cuts right through my rich bechamel sauce and the
- 14:29sweetness of those baked beans.
- 14:30It's a perfect match
- 14:33Nancy A. May: Okay, so my fork is getting ready or my fork is quivering
- 14:36at this point and I'm starving.
- 14:39So let's take a quick break before we pass out from a food
- 14:42coma and we'll be right back.
- 14:45Sylvia France: Don't go anywhere, guys.
- 14:46Dessert and real colonial whiskey are right on the other side.
- 14:57Nancy A. May: Woo-hoo!
- 14:58Okay, and we are back.
- 15:00The kitchen is open again, and it smells like cinnamon and
- 15:04warm brown sugar and dark fruits
- 15:07Sylvia France: I just finished up our dessert, a beautiful,
- 15:09deeply rustic apple pandowdy
- 15:13Nancy A. May: Hmm.
- 15:13Apple pandowdy?
- 15:14I haven't heard of that one although that's a pretty weird name.
- 15:17What exactly does pandowdy mean?
- 15:21Sylvia France: Well, It's basically the laid back, unpretentious
- 15:24cousin of the classic apple pie.
- 15:26There's no perfect rolling or crimping required.
- 15:30you just toss your sliced apples with brown sugar, cinnamon, and a
- 15:34splash of cider, and then drape a rustic pie dough right over the top
- 15:39Nancy A. May: Ooh, well, that sounds perfect for me because I
- 15:41am not good at making pie crust.
- 15:43and it sounds like my baking.
- 15:46Now, how does it actually get that unique bumpy texture?
- 15:49Sylvia France: Oh, this is the fun part.
- 15:51Halfway through the baking, you take a wooden spoon and literally smash down…
- 15:55the crust into the bubbling apple juices
- 15:58Nancy A. May: Ooh, that does sound, sound like fun.- So the dough just drinks up all
- 16:02that caramelized, apple cider and flavor.
- 16:05And hang, you might wanna pour a splash of whiskey in there too, or brandy.
- 16:09Sylvia France: But that's coming later.
- 16:10It becomes half crispy, half gooey.
- 16:13It was actually Abigail Adams' absolute favorite dessert, and
- 16:17I used her personal recipe today
- 16:20Nancy A. May: Ooh, I love Abby, right?
- 16:22It looks incredible,
- 16:23Sylvia France: Don't forget the ladies
- 16:25Nancy A. May: absolutely we won't.
- 16:27We owe them.
- 16:29Anyway, while that cools down, it's time for my personal grand finale
- 16:35Sylvia France: Whoa!
- 16:36Hold on.
- 16:37A massive wave of rich spice hit me What is that, Nancy?
- 16:43Nancy A. May: That, my friend, is George Washington's actual personal
- 16:47favorite recipe for cherry bounce.
- 16:50I f- I love that name, right?
- 16:52I followed his handwritten archives to the T
- 16:56Sylvia France: I am curious, how long has that been hiding in your
- 17:00pantry and you haven't touched it?
- 17:02Nancy A. May: Well, that's the hard part.
- 17:04Because we knew this episode was coming, so I had to prepare for it.
- 17:07It takes three full months.
- 17:09So you pack dark cherries, Bob pitted them all, and you smash
- 17:14them with sugar, nutmeg, and cinnamon into a massive glass jars.
- 17:17Pack it really tight, and then just let it sit
- 17:21Sylvia France: And then just drown it in alcohol
- 17:24Nancy A. May: Yeah.
- 17:24Yeah, before you close the lid for three months, you drown it in a good amount
- 17:28of rye whiskey or brandy, and then you just let time do the heavy lifting.
- 17:34Washington was so obsessed with this stuff that he literally ordered a
- 17:38traveler's flask of cherry bounce to be packed for his military marches.
- 17:44I'm wondering how he managed to stay on his horse all those days, right?
- 17:50Sylvia France: in this kitchen right now, I completely understand why one sip of
- 17:54that will help you survive Valley Forge.
- 17:57Let's pour a drop purely for experimental purposes, obviously
- 18:04Nancy A. May: Obviously not.
- 18:05Mm, glug, glug, glug, glug.
- 18:07Oh, wow.
- 18:08That is beautiful and has a serious kick to it.
- 18:11It's amazing.
- 18:12I might wanna get on a horse after this one.
- 18:15Right?
- 18:15Sylvia France: Oh man, the cherries completely smooth
- 18:18out the burn of the whiskey.
- 18:19It literally tastes like a warm blanket
- 18:22Nancy A. May: it does.
- 18:23That liquid heat going down your chest, it just tastes like history.
- 18:27And dinner.
- 18:28So we've covered breakfast and what we called supper or lunch around 2:30.
- 18:34But dinner, well, dinner time wasn't a big deal back in 1776.
- 18:39It was just typically a light snack or some leftovers or just maybe
- 18:44an extra glass of cherry bounce to tide you over until breakfast the
- 18:48next morning, or make you go to sleep
- 18:50Sylvia France: Looking at this entire table right now, Nancy, the hoecakes,
- 18:53the peanut soup, the spatchcock chicken, the mac and cheese, the baked beans,
- 18:57and the cherry bounce it just hits me
- 19:00Nancy A. May: How's that?
- 19:01Sylvia France: Well, 1776 wasn't just an abstract history textbook
- 19:05filled with pristine white rooms and men in perfect powdered wigs
- 19:10Nancy A. May: No, I think their wigs were a little dusty.
- 19:13Not at all, actually.
- 19:14history was lived by real, ordinary, deeply stressed out people who were
- 19:20actively fighting for survival, their liberty, and yes, ours.
- 19:24Tired soldiers, anxious families, and brilliant enslaved chefs
- 19:29Sylvia France: Exactly when the world felt completely upside down, they walked into
- 19:33a kitchen or tended a hearth fire just to find a single moment of peace and to
- 19:38taste something that tasted like safety
- 19:41Nancy A. May: And 250 years later, you know, here we are in
- 19:43our kitchens, induction stove and all, doing the exact same thing
- 19:49Sylvia France: Thank you all so much for cooking through history
- 19:51with us for our America 250 finale
- 19:54… Nancy A. May: All the recipes and, easy step-by-step guides from today's marathon
- 19:58are waiting for you in the show notes at Podcast.FamilyTreeFoodStories.com.
- 20:04So try one tonight or maybe over the weekend, and you can literally
- 20:08taste what the past was like
- 20:10Sylvia France: Next Thursday, we are switching gears to keep
- 20:13cool in this brutal Florida heat during the dog days of summer.
- 20:17We've got some delightful summer salads, grilled specialties, and believe it or
- 20:21not, maybe a homemade dog biscuit recipe or two for BB and the mighty Quinn.
- 20:27Nancy A. May: The mighty queen, yes it's hot everywhere in our country
- 20:32literally and figuratively I can't wait.
- 20:34So happy cooking everyone
- 20:36Sylvia France: And happy experimenting.
- 20:38We'll see you next Thursday
- 20:40Nancy A. May: Take care.
- 20:40Bye-bye.