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Football at Four: Should Eagles Trade Jalen Carter for Raiders Maxx Crosby? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher pinch hitting today for Adam Kaplan. We got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to get into. We still have
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  Speaker 1: a ton of mailbag questions that we will do throughout
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  Speaker 1: the summer. Here we might fit some of those in
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  Speaker 1: as well as Mosher jumps back in on the Sports
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  Speaker 1: Bass Live on ninety seven to three ESPN. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles have announced that they will be a training
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  Speaker 1: camp on July the twenty eighth, when their rookies and
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  Speaker 1: their veterans report, So we have just about over a
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  Speaker 1: month ago for that. But obviously, Jeff, we talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot yesterday about the news about Max Crosby, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where that thing's gonna go, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to get into more of the Jalen Carter aspect here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your take. We did talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about him yesterday. But the more that I thought
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  Speaker 1: about this because we have a poll question up today
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  Speaker 1: and it asked the question if you would include Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Carter in a trade for Max Crosby, seventy three percent
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  Speaker 1: of our listeners right now are saying no, they would not.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Is that surprising to you? You that people like are saying no?
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  Speaker 1: Do not give up on Jalen Carter because I would
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  Speaker 1: ask the question, do the Eagles agree with them?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: I think I actually tip my cap to the fans
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  Speaker 3: because I think they're thinking at it with a business
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  Speaker 3: sense and not as much of an emotional sense. I
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  Speaker 3: think most people realize that Max Crosby is an elite
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  Speaker 3: edge rusher, but also they're taking into account his age,
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  Speaker 3: how many great years he has left his the shape
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  Speaker 3: of his knees right compared to JILLN. Carter, and how
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  Speaker 3: many years left he has, and also the widespread impact
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  Speaker 3: that a great defensive tackle has in commanding double teams
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  Speaker 3: and making things wide open for edge rushers.
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  Speaker 2: Like Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's a good, good sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good I don't know if I agree or disagree.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't really thought about it like that, but I
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  Speaker 3: would say I think that that is a good way
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  Speaker 3: of looking at it and thinking of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was gonna say so. I mean, when
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  Speaker 1: that deal gets done with Simmons yesterday, as we discussed,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think the Eagles are like, we've
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  Speaker 1: got to do something here because we do not want
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  Speaker 1: to give him that money. So do you have to
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  Speaker 1: try to entrepreneur a deal like this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what the Eagles do or
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  Speaker 3: don't want to give him to be able to I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're not dumb. They know he's a top ten pick
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  Speaker 3: of theirs and that if he was a free agent tomorrow,
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  Speaker 3: there would be teams lining up to sign him for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money. So they know that when they
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  Speaker 3: choose a player like that and they had that player
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  Speaker 3: has success, they expect to want to be able to
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  Speaker 3: pay that player.
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  Speaker 2: I think I said that's yesterday. It's not like they
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  Speaker 2: don't want him. They want him to be around.
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  Speaker 3: He's a dominant player when he's healthy and invested and
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  Speaker 3: they have him his head on right, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I know he's worked this offseason to try to get
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  Speaker 3: those shoulders in better shape.
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  Speaker 2: He's put that out there.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see the reasons why you wouldn't, as we
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  Speaker 3: talked about, were not necessarily believing those shoulders are made
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  Speaker 3: for the long haul, or having to pay other guys
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  Speaker 3: on defense at other positions, and that is a position
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  Speaker 3: of depth and strength, having multiple first round picks in
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  Speaker 3: the next two years to continue to adjust it, having Jordan,
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  Speaker 3: Davis and Morow with Jombo the ability then to turn
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  Speaker 3: around and pay a jobo if you didn't have Carter.
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  Speaker 3: So they're weighing both sides of this. But at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, if there's a deal that makes
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  Speaker 3: sense for them, I'm Jill and Carter, that's the deal
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  Speaker 3: that they're going to want to make.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So that's kind of where I'm getting at, Like,
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  Speaker 1: he would not be an untouchable at this moment. If
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  Speaker 1: they say, you know, we're not really sure if we
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  Speaker 1: want to sign him long term, like Max, Crosby would
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  Speaker 1: have to be a guy if he's available that you
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  Speaker 1: have to consider, then, right, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would I would imagine they would consider that.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, do you legitimately think Crosby is an option
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  Speaker 1: for them?
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  Speaker 3: I I think I said yesterday. My understanding is if
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders are going to trade Crosby, even at this point,
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  Speaker 3: it's still going to have to be for a package
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  Speaker 3: similar to what the Ravens gave, we're going to give up,
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  Speaker 3: which is two first round picks or two first rounds
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  Speaker 3: value type players.
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  Speaker 2: So or picks.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the Raiders would rather have the picks,
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  Speaker 3: But obviously, if you're gonna trade a young player, uh,
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  Speaker 3: who's who's impactful?
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  Speaker 2: They probably do it now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how the Rave the Raiders themselves feel
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  Speaker 3: about Jalen Carter, or if they would have their own
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  Speaker 3: questions about his ability to hold up and his shoulders
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  Speaker 3: to make them not want that over a first round pick,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you went down that road, because what
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  Speaker 1: if the Raiders said we would take jalx Hunt. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: would the Eagles be interested in that?
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  Speaker 2: I think so?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I don't think that there's too many
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  Speaker 3: players the Eagles have outside of maybe the starting quarterback
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  Speaker 3: and the right tackle. I mean who they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to be willing to trade to get Max Crosby. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's that good and he instantaneously makes you we.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about it yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: As much of a Super Bowl contender as you are now,
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  Speaker 3: you're even better if you have him.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll you know, because I was not for just
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  Speaker 1: trading aj Brown for future first round pick and not
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  Speaker 1: helping out the roster. Yeah yeah, what about that situation here?
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  Speaker 1: If you said I'm not getting I'm not giving a
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  Speaker 1: player up, I'll take the player and give you two
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  Speaker 1: first round picks, essentially matching the deal that Baltimore did.
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  Speaker 1: Could they afford that?
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  Speaker 2: Could the Eagles afford that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely monetarily, you know, because you've got you've
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  Speaker 1: got Grenard who you've locked up, You've got Davis who
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  Speaker 1: you've locked up. You know, you still have to pay Quinon, Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene. And I would say this, Jeff, and
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  Speaker 1: you can agree or disagree with me on this one.
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  Speaker 1: They're not sure if they want to be tied long
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  Speaker 1: term to Carter. They're one thousand percent sure they want
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  Speaker 1: to be tied to Cooper and Quinyon correct, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: You would absolutely as he And again it comes down
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  Speaker 3: to the conversation, yes, Mitchell, yes, the Gene.
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  Speaker 2: But what if the.
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  Speaker 3: Thinks he's a thirty million dollar corner like Mitchell is
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  Speaker 3: going to be. Then you got an issue of well, man,
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  Speaker 3: am I gonna have two guys in one defensive back
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  Speaker 3: field making thirty plus million dollars?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's difficult. That's gonna be a challenge for them,
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  Speaker 2: even the highest paid safeties in this league.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say they try to pigeonhole Cooper and it just
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  Speaker 3: being a safety, which you're not gonna do. But for
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  Speaker 3: the argument's sake, that's twenty five million a year if
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  Speaker 3: he's really good at it. So it's gonna be hard
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  Speaker 3: to avoid somehow paying a collective fifty five to sixty
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  Speaker 3: five million dollars to keep both those guys. So I
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  Speaker 3: go back to the conversation I keep having with you.
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  Speaker 3: At some point, a really good, talented player who the
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  Speaker 3: fans love, the Eagles are gonna have to make a
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  Speaker 3: really difficult decision.
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  Speaker 2: Off is it Jalen Carter? Is it Cooper to Jen?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Zach Bond?
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  Speaker 3: In the year?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Jelex Hunt? Is it Know's? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it almost is like a race
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  Speaker 3: to sign your extension, right.
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  Speaker 2: You might want to.
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  Speaker 3: Sign it now at the price the Eagles are offering,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's a little lower, and you think, because
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  Speaker 3: the money ain't gonna be there for everybody in a
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  Speaker 3: year or two. And then if you get traded, you
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  Speaker 3: don't exactly get to determine where you get traded unless
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  Speaker 3: you j Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Let me fit in a handful of some of the
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  Speaker 1: questions that we've got this week for Jeff. This one
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  Speaker 1: is from Steven Mays landing, and he said. Zach Bond
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  Speaker 1: the other day indicated that being in the third year
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  Speaker 1: of this defense with Vic Fangio, does do you, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: think that that will make this defense that much better
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  Speaker 1: now that a lot of these guys are in it
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  Speaker 1: for the third year.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Although it's funny because I've already been thinking about this
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  Speaker 3: because Zach Bawn actually said it during one of the
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  Speaker 3: OTA press conferences. He said that Vick is so comfortable
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  Speaker 3: at us, he's already thinking about, you know, what he
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  Speaker 3: can do now because of that, and I kept thinking, well,
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  Speaker 3: Vic's not like Brian Flores. He doesn't wake up out
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  Speaker 3: of bed, you know, thinking of how many different ways
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  Speaker 3: he can blitz somebody from here to Sunday, from different angles.
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  Speaker 2: Vic just does what he does.
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  Speaker 3: He rushes for he drops in his zone, the cunning
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  Speaker 3: things he does, or what he does with safeties pre
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  Speaker 3: and post snap and then sim pressure. So I was
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  Speaker 3: wondering what exactly does he have in mind? But he
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  Speaker 3: does find different things. Last year he had Cooper, he
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  Speaker 3: had Quinna Mitchell shadowing top wide receivers. Right, we saw
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  Speaker 3: that for the first time, so we have seen it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's more stunting. Maybe it's more maybe it's blitzing
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  Speaker 3: from different like, you know, blitzing from your safety spot,
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  Speaker 3: which he doesn't normally do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it.
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  Speaker 3: Is, but I do know that because Vic has extreme
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  Speaker 3: comfort with this personnel, he can pretty much do what
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  Speaker 3: he wants. And that's gonna be fun to see coming
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  Speaker 3: this season. What kind of new wrinkles he's got in mind?
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  Speaker 1: All right? This one is from is another Steve. This
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  Speaker 1: Steve though, is from Manahawk, and he asked about Andrew mccooba. Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of impact do you think mccooba will have
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  Speaker 1: this season?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think mccouba already.
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  Speaker 3: And if you picture mccuba next to Cooper to Gene,
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  Speaker 3: you don't really have it in those when when they're
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  Speaker 3: in base like that, you don't really have a drop
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  Speaker 3: off from losing Reid blanket Ship. In fact, you have
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  Speaker 3: an upgrade. You have Cooper to Gene, who's a way
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  Speaker 3: better athlete than Blanketship. And then you have mccouba, who
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  Speaker 3: we've seen already as a rookie has a really good
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  Speaker 3: playmaking sense about his game, and we saw it in
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  Speaker 3: the preseason with the interception against the Browns right that
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  Speaker 3: he took back for six.
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  Speaker 2: He had a fumble recovery.
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  Speaker 3: As he started to get his feet wet in the
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  Speaker 3: regular season, he was starting to make plays after the
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  Speaker 3: first you know, Rocky three or four weeks, but then
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  Speaker 3: you know he got hurt. But when healthy, with a
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  Speaker 3: second year in VIC system, with already a pension for
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  Speaker 3: being a playmaker, and then put next to a guy
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  Speaker 3: like the jan I think he got a really nice
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  Speaker 3: athletic safety tannem there. And then when they go into
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  Speaker 3: nickel and someone moves next to mccouba, whether it's Michael
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  Speaker 3: Carter the second or Marcus Apps, I think you're still
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  Speaker 3: pretty good there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, we got a couple more that will
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  Speaker 1: fit in. I know you're short on time today, so
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  Speaker 1: let's get this one. This is an one you guys are
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  Speaker 1: doing your NFC stuff, Jeff, which team do you like
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  Speaker 1: better right now? Washington or New York?
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man, that's a tough one. I think.
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  Speaker 3: Washington has the higher ceiling because of the quarterback, meaning
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  Speaker 3: like we've already seen them win twelve games with an
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  Speaker 3: okay roster because of Jay and Daniels. Now they're missing
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  Speaker 3: playmakers but so is New York. I mean, Neighbors may
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  Speaker 3: not even start the season. If he does, it's still Neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: And like what Isaiah likely, we're not talking about a
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  Speaker 3: team that's really deep at wide receiver for either of them.
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  Speaker 3: Giants may have a little bit of a running game,
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  Speaker 3: but I think Washington's offensive line is better. I thought
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  Speaker 3: they made some interesting defensive additions some guys last year
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  Speaker 3: they did drafted who I expect to like Trey Amos,
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  Speaker 3: the corner who I think in year two will be better.
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  Speaker 3: So I think Washington has the higher ceiling, but I
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  Speaker 3: also think they may have a little bit more boom
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  Speaker 3: bust potential, whereas the Giants I think could be a
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  Speaker 3: steadier ship. They've They've they've got adults in the room, coaches,
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  Speaker 3: they have a great front four that really needs to
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  Speaker 3: finally be unlocked and work for them. They've steadily improved
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  Speaker 3: on defense, and you know, obviously with Jackson Dart and
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  Speaker 3: with Cam Scataboo and Tracy they want to run the
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  Speaker 3: ball a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit there.
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  Speaker 3: They're they're going to try to play mistake free football,
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  Speaker 3: which is what John Harbaugh really preaches. So I could
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  Speaker 3: see the Giants steadying their way to like an eight
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  Speaker 3: and eight record or something, whereas Commanders they can have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of injuries, things can go haywire. But I
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  Speaker 3: do think the Commanders have the higher upside.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, This one came in yesterday during our conversation,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll ask you this one today, Jeff. After your
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  Speaker 1: guys conversation yesterday, Mike asked Jeff who he likes better,
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons or Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffery Simmons is a better player. What is
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  Speaker 2: the argument against that?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I just asked the questions here.
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  Speaker 3: I said yesterday, when Jalen Carter plays to his most
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  Speaker 3: dominant self, he's the best defensive tackle in football. He's
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  Speaker 3: as good as Jeffrey Simmons or anybody, because we've just
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  Speaker 3: seen it. He's just so violently good at the position.
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  Speaker 3: But we have not seen that guy on a snap
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  Speaker 3: to snap the basis like you've seen out of a
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons right to say that he's as good as
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons. Part of being really good in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: isn't just being a flash player. It's being good down
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  Speaker 3: to down, snap to snap. Every get game for seventeen
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  Speaker 3: weeks and that we still need to see more often
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  Speaker 3: from Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: pinchhit man, he had a couple. You had about a
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  Speaker 1: three sixty four average on those at bats today.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds a lot better than any Phillies outfielder.
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  Speaker 1: See you man, all right. Jeff Moscher on today's Football
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