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Speaker 1: Is the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight Tasmania's farcical political crisis gets even more football obsessed.
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Speaker 2: Plus Donald Trump bans people from twelve countries more than
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Speaker 2: half of the Muslim majority, says America will not make
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Speaker 2: Europe's mistake, and shock ruling. A judge attacks Australia's top
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Speaker 2: gender medicine expert, overt the treatment of children or so tonight?
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Speaker 2: Why are Harry and Meghan releasing this bizarre video years later?
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Speaker 2: Plus anti theft devices on your food? Who is stealing
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Speaker 2: all the steaks?
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Speaker 3: And why?
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Speaker 2: But first, the Brittany Higgins scandal just got even worse.
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Speaker 2: Why the Albany government gave Higgins more than two point
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Speaker 2: four million dollars of your money.
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Speaker 1: Higgins has now announced that she's got a new job.
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Speaker 2: She's been appointed director of public affairs at a public
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Speaker 2: relations agency.
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Speaker 3: And you know, good luck to her.
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Speaker 1: But this news should embarrass Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And and he's the government because three years ago it gave
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Speaker 2: Higgins that massive payout, more than half of that, because
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Speaker 2: it apparently accepted she'd probably never work again.
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Speaker 1: Higgins, of course, is the former.
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Speaker 2: Liberal staff who said she was raped by a colleague
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Speaker 2: in the office of then defenseveans to Linda Reynolds after
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Speaker 2: a drunken night out, and a judge later ruled that
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Speaker 2: the rape had happened on the balance of probabilities, but
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Speaker 2: said that higgins claims that Morrison government ministers are treated
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Speaker 2: her badly and even try to stop her going to
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Speaker 2: the police were untrue. Yet Labor had already exploited those
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Speaker 2: claims to absolutely savage the Morrison government, and as anti women.
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Speaker 4: We owe a dead of gratitude to everyone in this building,
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Speaker 4: as well as every former staff member who stepped up
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Speaker 4: to share their experiences of workplace bullying. I also acknowledge,
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Speaker 4: particularly the women who bravely stood up and called out
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Speaker 4: a culture of mistreatment that brought this issue into the light,
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Speaker 4: and I particularly paid tribute to the courage of Britney Higgins.
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Speaker 2: And Labor then went on to beat Morrison in the
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Speaker 2: election three years ago, and the women's vote sure was
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Speaker 2: helpful there. So Anthony Albineasi and his new Labor government
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Speaker 2: had plenty of reason to be very grateful to Higgins
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Speaker 2: and every reason to treat all her allegations as true
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Speaker 2: that she was broken by the treatment of those Liberals,
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Speaker 2: and they gave Higgins that extraordinary pout to point four
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Speaker 2: million dollars after just one day of mediation, with Higgins's
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Speaker 2: two former bosses, Liberal ministers Linda Reynolds and MICHAYLEA Cash
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Speaker 2: banned from coming along and saying that Higgins' claims against
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Speaker 2: them were untrue.
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Speaker 1: All that are really steak.
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Speaker 3: But so now does this part of that payout in.
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Speaker 2: The deed of settlement, the part that says nearly one
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Speaker 2: point five million dollars of it was paid in respect
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Speaker 2: of miss Higgins's loss of earning capacity after accepting her
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Speaker 2: claim that she'd been diagnosed as medically unfit for any
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Speaker 2: form of employment and has been given a very poor
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Speaker 2: prognosis for future employment. Now that claim always seemed preposterous,
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Speaker 2: at least to me, and sure enough, Higgins has since
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Speaker 2: worked or volunteered in largely unpaid jobs. I mean she's
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Speaker 2: posed in the front of the United Nations in Switzerland
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Speaker 2: and announced the UN had given her a job as
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Speaker 2: an former labor. Prime Minister Julia Gillard also made Higgins
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Speaker 2: a visiting fellow at Gillard's institute, and the Queensland Human
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Speaker 2: Rights Commission got Higgins to do some work for it
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Speaker 2: as well. Higgins even worked briefly as a media advisor
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Speaker 2: for Victoria's first People's Assembly after a friend They're believed
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Speaker 2: Higgins had aboriginal ancestry, and Higgins had already received a
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eight thousand dollars advance to write a
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Speaker 2: book about her alleged rape. And now there's this job
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Speaker 2: director of public affairs at a PR company. This is
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Speaker 2: just amazing for a woman, let me repeat, who told
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Speaker 2: the Albanzer government she had very poor prospects of future employment,
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Speaker 2: got one and a half million just for that claim
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Speaker 2: and a past lost earnings plus even another one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for past and future domestic assistant to be
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Speaker 2: able to get around the house.
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Speaker 1: Poor thing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel we were ripped off by Higgins
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Speaker 2: and by the Albanese government. Ney two and a half
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Speaker 2: million dollars given by this government to a woman who
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Speaker 2: made untrue claims that helped labor to destroy the Morrison government.
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Speaker 2: And another thing about that, it is now nearly two
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Speaker 2: years since Linda Reynolds, Higgins's former boss, rightly referred this
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Speaker 2: dodgy payment to Labour's new Anti Corruption Commission for Investigation,
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Speaker 2: But since then, crickets nothing, and that too is so suspicious.
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Speaker 2: You know, I cannot believe how football is right at
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Speaker 2: the center of the political crisis or political farce in Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: Today Tasmania's Parliament passed the vote of no confidence in
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Speaker 2: Liberal premieremy Rockcliffe, forcing him to quit or indeed to
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Speaker 2: call the snap election, which is what.
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Speaker 3: Is he going to do?
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Speaker 2: But the football, I mean, it's not just that Rockcliffe
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Speaker 2: was being monster for letting the price of a new
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Speaker 2: football stadium in Hobart blow out by more than two
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. And this is because Ritzy's stadium demanded
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Speaker 2: by the AFL as a condition of letting TASMANI have
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Speaker 2: its own AFL team. Today, the Speaker, who's actually a
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Speaker 2: labor in Peter's the Liberals don't have enough members of
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Speaker 2: their own in this coalition whatever, cast her deciding vote
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Speaker 2: against Rockcliffe, despite knowing that forcing him to the polse
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Speaker 2: could kill the whole deal, so she pleaded with the
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Speaker 2: MPs not to let it.
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Speaker 5: I'm also very mindful that the future of the AFL
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Speaker 5: teams will be tested by the decisions and actions of
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Speaker 5: the next few weeks. I support the team, but members
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Speaker 5: of this House should not underestimate the passion.
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Speaker 2: Oh, for heaven's sake, what are the priorities in Tasmania
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Speaker 2: or in this country really? So Tasmania is off to
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Speaker 2: the polls again just forty months after the last state
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Speaker 2: election because Rockliffe wasn't going to let some other Liberals
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Speaker 2: simply replace him.
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Speaker 6: And I'll be damned if the Labor Party is going
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Speaker 6: to choose the leader of the Liberal Party that I love.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is our Thursday regular commentator National ZMP Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 2: the former Deputy Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby, great to see you. I mean, when you look.
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Speaker 2: At this crisis in Tasmania, don't you think too what
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Speaker 2: is this country coming to?
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Speaker 6: Where you see that in so many areas down't to
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Speaker 6: Andrew like we see it in other areas where apparently
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Speaker 6: that zero is more important than the defense of our nation.
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Speaker 6: That the government in Tasmania is now it's all about
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Speaker 6: whether a football team's an AFL team is going to
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Speaker 6: play in this sort of peculiarity. I'm going to bring
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Speaker 6: down the government, but I still support the football team,
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Speaker 6: which is where the speaker was, there's always this idea
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Speaker 6: to try and look over here because the actual real
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Speaker 6: problems that are at foot are beyond the scope of
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Speaker 6: the government to fix. I mean, how are we dealing
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Speaker 6: at at a national level with the cost living crisis?
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Speaker 6: Like people believe it's all over, It's not over. It's
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Speaker 6: it's roaring ahead, roaring ahead, and down there it's a
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Speaker 6: football team. And what is it going to be the
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Speaker 6: outcome of this? Really, if it's genuine in Tasmania, the
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Speaker 6: football team.
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Speaker 1: Being played and playing in Tasmania is dead. It's over,
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Speaker 1: it's finished.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, to spend nearly a billion dollars in that little
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Speaker 2: tiny state on a new football ground just to get
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Speaker 2: an AFL team, it's just seriously skewed.
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Speaker 1: With Barnaby.
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Speaker 2: The Albaneza governmors meanwhile running out of money as well.
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Speaker 2: And of course, as we all know, one of us
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Speaker 2: very first actions is was determined to double the tax
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Speaker 2: on superannuation earnings of accounts with more than three million
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Speaker 2: dollars and even tax unrealized capital gains as well of
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Speaker 2: assets that you haven't even yet sold to realize that gain,
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Speaker 2: which for farmers who've got their farms in the super
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Speaker 2: that could include of their farms.
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Speaker 1: If they to just pay the bills.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is getting hammered on this because this
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Speaker 2: does not apply to his own super any defined benefit
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Speaker 2: super whatever the government claims here is today again, by
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Speaker 2: the way, a bit tetchy.
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Speaker 4: What we need to do is to make sure that
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Speaker 4: our superannuation system is fair. That is what we're setting
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Speaker 4: about to do.
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Speaker 1: What are you making of all this, barnaby, Well, let's cough.
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Speaker 1: What it is.
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Speaker 6: This is death duties where you don't have to die.
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Speaker 6: What happened with death duties in the past is people
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Speaker 6: had to pay probate on an asset they had no
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Speaker 6: intention to sell, and so they could fund the money.
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Speaker 6: So they had to sell the asset or they were
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Speaker 6: just in mountains of debt. Suffers struggled along, suffered along,
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Speaker 6: and then ultimately got sold up. What we're having here
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Speaker 6: is if you've got a farm that's in a super
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Speaker 6: fun and to be quite frank, a lot of farms
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Speaker 6: are a multi generational That might be a ten million
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Speaker 6: dollar property, but their famili's got no intention whatsoever of
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Speaker 6: selling it.
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Speaker 3: It is in their blood.
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Speaker 1: So lately we've.
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Speaker 6: Been having an eighteen percent increase in the value of
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Speaker 6: land because they're just not making any land around the
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Speaker 6: globe and the wealth's running out of food. So that
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Speaker 6: would mean you had a one point eight million dollar
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Speaker 6: unrealized capital gain. And if you're going to pay thirty
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Speaker 6: percent tax on that, then three eighteen's when I went
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Speaker 6: to school fifty four. You'd have to find five hundred
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Speaker 6: and forty thousand dollars a year for each year of
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Speaker 6: the eighteen percent gain to send off to Dodor Jim Chalmers. Now,
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Speaker 6: there is no farm that's going.
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Speaker 3: To be able to do that.
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Speaker 6: If they had, they could make five hundred and forty
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars about thinking about it, they'd be making it.
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Speaker 6: This is is to Chris Woody. Even going to a drought,
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Speaker 6: you still might be capital gains, and I still have
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Speaker 6: to pay this tax. The only place I can go
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Speaker 6: is the bank. They'll go there once they go there
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Speaker 6: twice and then they get sold up. I mean, this
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Speaker 6: is You've got to understand. They see that I've got
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Speaker 6: this massive debt, a trillion dollars in debt sitting out there, and.
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Speaker 3: Nobody can work out how am I.
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Speaker 1: Going to pay this? But there was one big egg
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Speaker 1: that was sitting there.
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Speaker 6: They all knew it, but they didn't.
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Speaker 1: Know how to crack it.
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Speaker 6: It's your super money. It's the trillions of dollars that
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Speaker 6: are sitting there around out what's fortrillion dollars I think,
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Speaker 6: sitting there in super and then they go, we're just
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Speaker 6: going to use some of their money to pay our debt.
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Speaker 6: It's so simple, but we've got to start.
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Speaker 1: We've got to crack the egg in this way. We'll
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Speaker 1: start with it three.
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Speaker 6: Million dollars unrealized capital gains, non indets, and then once
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Speaker 6: that goes through, well the game's on. So you know
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Speaker 6: this is I surprised me how much this is. This
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Speaker 6: should be front page every day because it is absolutely
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Speaker 6: the start of a death duties by self, and it
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Speaker 6: is also the cracking of your of the egg of
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Speaker 6: your retirement.
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Speaker 2: See when you put it like this, Barnaby, that makes
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Speaker 2: me even more surprised. Ted O'Brien, the new opposition treasury spotsman,
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Speaker 2: I think he's having a rocky start. First, he actually
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Speaker 2: suggested he could back Labour's plan to jack up this taxes.
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Speaker 1: It's just a pure tax gram.
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Speaker 2: Right, He said he could back it if Labor didn't
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Speaker 2: tax unrealized gains. Today though he said he was dead
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Speaker 2: against the thing now listening to him, I also thought,
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Speaker 2: by the way, Barnaby, Ted, just try less hard to
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Speaker 2: sound tough and determined, because when you try that hard
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Speaker 2: and in fact gives the opposite impression.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, here he is.
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Speaker 4: We will definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair super
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Speaker 4: tax of labors every step.
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Speaker 1: Of the way.
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Speaker 2: Bannaby Joyce's teto'brian been sending the right signals.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I let Ted speak himself, but what
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Speaker 6: I can say is there are so many people even
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Speaker 6: when I walk down Peel Street and town with you,
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Speaker 6: say WHOA, you know this, we can't support this.
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Speaker 3: This is this is precisely what I just said.
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Speaker 6: They said, you just cracked the egg of our savings.
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Speaker 1: We know where you're off to.
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Speaker 6: And of course it's just death duties by self. I mean,
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Speaker 6: this time you don't have to die. They can do
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Speaker 6: to you while you're alive. And when PJK when Paul J.
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Speaker 6: Keating comes out and believes that it's completely and utterly wrong,
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Speaker 6: then well you're starting to get a unified choir of
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Speaker 6: people standing up and saying, WHOA, pull the right rate
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Speaker 6: on this one.
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Speaker 2: But to me, seeing you standing on your farm there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, thank you very much for a freezing like
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Speaker 2: that for us. We appreciate your sacrifice. But you might
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Speaker 2: be in a position to help answer this one. A
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago supermarkets standard trials to put anti
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Speaker 2: theft tags on steaks. Then it became anti theft stickers,
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Speaker 2: so they worked basically the same way, really, and not
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Speaker 2: just in poor areas where you might think shoplifters, you know,
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Speaker 2: they might have no money for a good steak. It
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Speaker 2: certainly not at what's that seventy three dollars akilo? Seventy
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Speaker 2: three a killer? But now just this morning in my
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Speaker 2: own town's IgA, I see these stickers.
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Speaker 3: On a lamb as well this morning.
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Speaker 2: Which is probably no wonder since it's now fifty three
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Speaker 2: dollars a kilo.
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Speaker 1: What is going on, barnaby? Are we that hard up now?
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Speaker 3: Or are we that dishonest? Or is meat now the
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Speaker 3: price of gold?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 6: Remember when I talked about one hundred dollar rows we
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Speaker 6: went forward with the carbon TAXI.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's and remember what laughing?
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Speaker 6: Oh how o rageous rages?
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Speaker 3: And now it's happening.
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Speaker 6: Remember when I said our debt would go through half
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Speaker 6: a trillion dollars I got sacked as a shadow finance minister.
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Speaker 6: Now it's going through a trillion. Well, you know we
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Speaker 6: why is the price of food going up? Well, there
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Speaker 6: is global issue, there's a protein deficit and so it's
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Speaker 6: incumbent upon Australia. We can produce lots of food and affordable.
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Speaker 6: But here's something you've got to do for us.
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Speaker 1: Get rid of that zero.
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Speaker 6: Please please get rid of that zero because net zero
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Speaker 6: makes us produce less. See net zero means it's dearer
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Speaker 6: to break down a beast, to process a beast from
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Speaker 6: what's standing in the paddock behind me to what goes
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Speaker 6: onto your dinner plate. It requires electricity, it requires gas,
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Speaker 6: and if you keep on putting up the price of that,
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Speaker 6: your pricing is staking.
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Speaker 3: The shop keeps on going up.
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Speaker 6: The next thing is do not put outrageous environmental regulations
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Speaker 6: on us. So we can't touch a tree, can't put
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Speaker 6: in a dam, can't do this, can't do that, and
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Speaker 6: expect us to produce just as much steak as we
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Speaker 6: used to. We'll produce less, but in a funny way,
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Speaker 6: we get paid more. So you think, oh, well, maybe
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Speaker 6: it's not so bad. We want to do as much
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Speaker 6: as we possibly can to feed the Australian people. We
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Speaker 6: believe we have a moral duty, a moral duty on
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Speaker 6: the land to feed and clothes people. We don't rip
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Speaker 6: them off with grog or gambling. We feed and clothed
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Speaker 6: people and we want to do it, we really do.
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Speaker 6: But the more pressure you put on people on the land,
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Speaker 6: ultimately it comes back in your shopping trollings, you know.
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Speaker 1: And what's happening.
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Speaker 6: Of course, is people are hungry, they've got no money,
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Speaker 6: and when they've got no money, they start stealing. And
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Speaker 6: why because we are batpoo crazy with some of the policies.
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Speaker 1: We have in this nation.
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Speaker 6: And I don't know why it didn't get ventilated more
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Speaker 6: of an election.
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Speaker 1: We should have got an election.
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Speaker 6: Say we're going to get rid of that zero because
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Speaker 6: we are more worried about pensioners than we are worried
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Speaker 6: about Paris and the Paris Agreement. Look after pensioners, forget
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Speaker 6: about Paris.
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Speaker 2: And you haven't even mentioned the fact that Barnaby that
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Speaker 2: to get in that zero, the electricity system is only
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Speaker 2: one third of the problem. They're going to have to
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Speaker 2: go for farmers.
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Speaker 1: They're going to.
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Speaker 3: And they're burping buring Towers.
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Speaker 6: House is going to have hungry people, and your listeners,
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Speaker 6: especially the pensions, especially the poorer people are going to
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Speaker 6: be the hungry ones.
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Speaker 1: So that's true.
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Speaker 2: But to be Russian side to the warmth and you
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Speaker 2: were loving family, And talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Again next week.
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Speaker 2: After the break the great immigration debate, Donald Trump now
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Speaker 2: bans travelers from twelve countries, saying America is not going
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Speaker 2: to make Europe's mistake. So many politicians in the West
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Speaker 2: have refused for too long to talk about how mass
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Speaker 2: immigration is changing their countries and because of the cowardice
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Speaker 2: to look at some of the negative side of that.
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Speaker 2: The blowback now is coming, and at times it's extreme.
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Speaker 2: Today US President Donald Trump announced he was banning travelers
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Speaker 2: from twelve countries and restricting travelers from seven more.
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Speaker 7: The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the
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Speaker 7: extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry your
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Speaker 7: foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as
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Speaker 7: those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their visas.
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Speaker 1: We don't want them.
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Speaker 7: We will not let what happened in Europe happen to America.
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Speaker 2: We will not let what happened in Europe happened to America. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that bit of it, but let's first
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Speaker 2: go through Trump's state and as it happens that ghastly
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Speaker 2: terrorist attacking Boulder on elderly Jews, will the man accused
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Speaker 2: of setting those people alike is an illegal immigrant from Egypt,
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Speaker 2: which isn't one of the countries Trump is now banning.
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Speaker 2: Those countries he has fully banned are Afghanistan, Burma, Chad,
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Speaker 2: Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,
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Speaker 2: and Yemen. As you can tell if you follow that lift,
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Speaker 2: just over half of them are Muslim, mainly an Al
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Speaker 2: Africa and the Middle East, although of course also you
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Speaker 2: know a couple of them in Asia, and only Iran
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Speaker 2: of those is listed as a state sponsor of terrorism.
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Speaker 2: But trump'ys countries are put on this list because the
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Speaker 2: central authorities there can't be trusted in issuing passports, or
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Speaker 2: don't give access to criminal records so you can check
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Speaker 2: who's coming, or they have ongoing armed conflicts and so,
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Speaker 2: in other words, they're not safe. But to me, what's
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Speaker 2: most interesting is Trump then using Europe as a warning
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Speaker 2: against living in almost anyone without proper scrutiny.
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Speaker 1: And he has a point. Even if you don't like
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Speaker 1: his responsible maybe you think is a picture of Europe
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Speaker 1: is a little a bit.
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Speaker 2: Extreme because in France, for instance, we saw those terrible
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Speaker 2: riots over the weekend, again with many writers of minority
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Speaker 2: backgrounds to judge from the pictures.
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Speaker 3: And what's more, a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: France's Interior ministry warned the French president in elked report
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Speaker 2: that Islamism was a threat to French unity, and it said,
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Speaker 2: among other things, the Muslim Brotherhood, they're radical Islamists backed
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Speaker 2: by Qatar, banned in many other countries including the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: now had a French network that included one hundred and
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Speaker 2: thirty nine officially affiliated mosques and sixty eight more mosques
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Speaker 2: considered ideologically close. It also controlled or influenced twenty one
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Speaker 2: private schools and more than eight hundred Kuranic schools that
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Speaker 2: are teaching tens and tens and tens of thousands of
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Speaker 2: children to reject Western secularism. That was the warning this report,
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Speaker 2: and in fact so many European countries and our wrestling
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Speaker 2: with that or aspects of the Muslim integration issues that
20:56
Speaker 2: are bedeviling so many. You take Britain this week Buckingham University.
21:02
Speaker 2: One of the academics at Buckingham University said mass immigration
21:07
Speaker 2: meant that white British people will become a minority in
21:10
Speaker 2: Britain within the next forty years, and by the end
21:14
Speaker 2: of the century, white Britains are going to make up
21:16
Speaker 2: just one third of the population.
21:20
Speaker 1: Now many of the left.
21:20
Speaker 2: Will say, so what only racists would object. I mean,
21:23
Speaker 2: you know, seriously, but you wonder why Anglo and Celtic
21:29
Speaker 2: Britains should be among the very few peoples on Earth
21:32
Speaker 2: that no longer have one country somewhere on the globe
21:35
Speaker 2: where they are the majority that they can call their homeland.
21:40
Speaker 2: And here we're talking about people living in a country
21:44
Speaker 2: that is making them increasingly feel like this.
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Speaker 8: I feel like a foreigner in my own country. That's
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Speaker 8: what I feel like. And don't you think that's fair?
21:58
Speaker 8: Because West surrounded by foreigners.
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Speaker 2: That's why now I know that man had a working
22:04
Speaker 2: class kind of accent. Oh, you uneducated man, you know
22:09
Speaker 2: that is not alone. Years ago, TV celebrity chef Clarissa
22:14
Speaker 2: Dixon Wright, just one of the famous Two Fat Ladies,
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Speaker 2: said she'd been in parts of Leicester, very Muslim parts.
22:22
Speaker 1: A bit lost trainers for directions.
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Speaker 2: She got frightened by the lack of people willing to
22:26
Speaker 2: help and said, here I was in the heart of
22:29
Speaker 2: a city, in the middle of my own country, a
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Speaker 2: complete outcast and pariah, a Muslim ghetto. She said, Monte
22:38
Speaker 2: part and Star. John Clee said London no longer seened
22:42
Speaker 2: an English city, and he said almost all his friends
22:45
Speaker 2: overseas agreed. Now, naturally, of course the way things go.
22:50
Speaker 2: You know, both of them were held down, the racists
22:52
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. But honestly, shutting up
22:55
Speaker 2: people is not the same as changing their minds. If anything,
23:00
Speaker 2: gets people even angrier and the reaction uglier. Indeed, we
23:07
Speaker 2: saw the very ugly race rights against Muslims last year
23:09
Speaker 2: after false claims that Muslim was responsible for the stabbing
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Speaker 2: deaths of three girls at a dance school. It was
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Speaker 2: actually a guy from a Rwandan immigrant family, not Muslim.
23:21
Speaker 2: Hundreds of people were arrested, including a lot of racists.
23:24
Speaker 2: But you know, again, look at the context. You think
23:27
Speaker 2: also of the many Islamist attacks that have happened in Britain.
23:30
Speaker 2: On the Tube in London, and on buses at a
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Speaker 2: concert of Manchester. And I don't think this tension will
23:36
Speaker 2: get any less, do you.
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: One party on the rise in Britain is talking about
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Speaker 2: this yesterday, the newest MP of it of Nigel Faraja's
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Speaker 2: anti immigration Reform Party.
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Speaker 3: That's the first question.
23:50
Speaker 2: In Parliament after her by election winner was this one
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Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, who seemed unsure how to answer.
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Speaker 9: Given the Prime Minister's desire to strengthen strategic climate with
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Speaker 9: our European neighbors, will he, in the interests of public
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Speaker 9: safety follow the lead of France, Denmark, Belgium and others
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Speaker 9: and ban m berker.
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Speaker 1: Can?
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Speaker 6: I welcome her to our place, but I'm not going
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Speaker 6: to follow her down that line.
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Speaker 1: But there's going to be more of that.
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Speaker 2: Does people feel indeed like strangers in their own land,
24:35
Speaker 2: under greater pressure, in greater danger? And if the Left
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Speaker 2: doesn't like the response they're seeing, let them take this
24:42
Speaker 2: issue seriously now and work out how better to handle it.
24:48
Speaker 2: Join me from London as Patrick Christy's star presenter of
24:51
Speaker 2: gb News. Great to see you again, Patrick, good show
24:54
Speaker 2: last night. By the way, I watched this morning out
24:56
Speaker 2: of time. I enjoyed it a lot. But this report
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Speaker 2: White Britain's will be a minority of the population in
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Speaker 2: Britain in forty years. Is that a so what story
25:08
Speaker 2: over there or something more?
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Speaker 10: Well, this story is much more than just skin deep.
25:14
Speaker 10: You cannot have a successful country if you have no
25:16
Speaker 10: sense of shared national identity, culture and history. Now let
25:20
Speaker 10: me give you a very stark example, Andrew. Right now
25:23
Speaker 10: here in Britain we are importing and employing low skilled
25:27
Speaker 10: migrants to act as security guards at hotels full of
25:32
Speaker 10: illegal migrants. Now, I think most people would think that's bonkers,
25:36
Speaker 10: but that's where Great Britain is, and it used to
25:38
Speaker 10: be the envy of the world. I worry many people
25:41
Speaker 10: worry that Great Britain is now being reduced to nothing
25:44
Speaker 10: more than a plot of land where anyone from all
25:46
Speaker 10: over the world can reside and not sure what you
25:50
Speaker 10: were your viewers might think. I suspect that many of
25:53
Speaker 10: them might think that simply having an Australian passport doesn't
25:57
Speaker 10: make you Australian.
25:58
Speaker 3: Obviously, if you're born there then it.
25:59
Speaker 10: Don't get me wrong, but that's how I feel about
26:02
Speaker 10: about Britain. We're seeing rapid cultural changes. You've got the
26:06
Speaker 10: According to these stats, if they are indeed accurate, the
26:09
Speaker 10: Muslim population could be as high as twenty percent in
26:12
Speaker 10: Britain by the turn of the century. And I do
26:14
Speaker 10: look at parts of the Muslim world and I do
26:16
Speaker 10: wonder why we would want to replicate that here in Britain.
26:19
Speaker 10: And if you're creating a country where sixty or seventy
26:22
Speaker 10: percent of people have an equal or even more significant
26:26
Speaker 10: alliance to a foreign land than to Great Britain, then
26:30
Speaker 10: I think that's a problem politically, societally and economically as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we're talking about an every weird class,
26:39
Speaker 2: or any weird class. They can feel home anywhere, they
26:43
Speaker 2: feel they're more privileged, they're richer, and they don't care
26:46
Speaker 2: so much what happens to their own country as it
26:48
Speaker 2: turns from a hotel or into a hotel instead of
26:52
Speaker 2: a home. I think that's the difference people treating it
26:55
Speaker 2: as a hotel and call the management to get things fixed,
26:58
Speaker 2: instead of their home they own and they've got to
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Speaker 2: fix it themselves.
27:02
Speaker 1: Now, that reform.
27:02
Speaker 2: Politician who was asking for a burker ben I don't
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Speaker 2: like talk of banning burkers and dictating how people dress.
27:10
Speaker 2: But I also don't like how the burker is a
27:14
Speaker 2: barrier to integration. In fact that in a way that's
27:17
Speaker 2: what it's for, keeping separate. How has this call gone down.
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean she was scoffed at by the usual types,
27:25
Speaker 10: you know, those kind of metropolitan elites that we have
27:28
Speaker 10: in the House of Commons there. Realistically, Andrew, I don't
27:30
Speaker 10: think Britain will have aband the burker. I actually do
27:32
Speaker 10: think there will be riots, and no doubt a lot
27:35
Speaker 10: of middle class, well meaning women would probably start wearing
27:38
Speaker 10: the burker in solidarity. I think, however, there are obvious
27:41
Speaker 10: security risks to this. We did have the case of
27:44
Speaker 10: an Al Shabab member who went into a London mosque
27:47
Speaker 10: without the burkery was a bloke, came out wearing a
27:51
Speaker 10: burker and then went on the run. So that's a problem.
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Speaker 10: It is a barrier to integration in all of the
27:56
Speaker 10: very obvious senses that you've already highlighted. Other European nations
28:00
Speaker 10: have banned it as well. You're quite left lean at
28:02
Speaker 10: European nations. Well, I think Norway, I think Denmark as
28:05
Speaker 10: well as well as France probably being the prime example.
28:08
Speaker 10: So it's not really a far right thing to want
28:10
Speaker 10: to ban the burker. I think what it means now
28:13
Speaker 10: practically in Britain is if you are of a more
28:15
Speaker 10: fundamentalist Islamic view and you want to move to Europe,
28:19
Speaker 10: then Britain is probably your top destination because there's lots
28:22
Speaker 10: of other European countries that would ban you or your
28:25
Speaker 10: wife from wearing that burker. There is also, of course,
28:27
Speaker 10: a massive monumental women's rights issue here, isn't there. I
28:30
Speaker 10: accept that for some Muslim women they will freely choose
28:33
Speaker 10: to wear that burker. Okay, However, I think that people
28:36
Speaker 10: ignore the fact that I think a lot of them
28:38
Speaker 10: at times are either forced or put a huge pressure
28:41
Speaker 10: to and we can see that anecdotally, can't worry from
28:43
Speaker 10: what's going on in places like Afghanistan and Iran. Is
28:46
Speaker 10: that not, frankly a huge issue with women's rights? And
28:50
Speaker 10: if it is, then it becomes less about the state
28:52
Speaker 10: telling you what women should wear and maybe a bit
28:56
Speaker 10: more about doing some women.
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Speaker 3: A favor.
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Speaker 1: Relating to a culture. That's part of it.
29:02
Speaker 2: Patrick, I want to finish on a very different topic
29:06
Speaker 2: just quickly, almost at a time, but really for some reason,
29:10
Speaker 2: Mega Michael and Prince Harry have planed for privacy, have
29:14
Speaker 2: decided to release this video of them twerking Michael, particularly
29:19
Speaker 2: twerking before she gave birth to a daughter four years ago.
29:22
Speaker 1: Have looked.
29:24
Speaker 2: If you Patrick, I'm all right, you know, dance away,
29:39
Speaker 2: do what it is, whatever, it will help labor. But
29:41
Speaker 2: why release the video?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's amazing, isn't it For a privacy hungry couple
29:47
Speaker 10: like that? It's a release a video of one of
29:49
Speaker 10: the most intimate moments that her husband and wife can
29:52
Speaker 10: possibly have awaiting a bird of your child.
29:55
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you.
29:56
Speaker 10: Initially, when I first saw it, I assumed it was
29:58
Speaker 10: an AI fake. But no, seriously, it is. It is real.
30:02
Speaker 10: There were reports this week that King Charles had apparently
30:05
Speaker 10: tried to block their kids from changing their passports because
30:09
Speaker 10: he didn't want them to have their royal titles. And
30:11
Speaker 10: I'm starting to wonder if he might have been right
30:13
Speaker 10: about that. But one thing I will say is, yeah, look,
30:16
Speaker 10: my wife's six months pregnant at the moment. If I think,
30:19
Speaker 10: I think maybe Harry was at the stage there where
30:21
Speaker 10: he's known for saying, isn't he what Meghan wants? Meghan
30:24
Speaker 10: gets so maybe when you're in the delivery room, that
30:26
Speaker 10: is possibly a time that he should just should just
30:29
Speaker 10: do whatever that actually wants to do.
30:33
Speaker 1: I've been through that.
30:34
Speaker 2: Absolutely, whatever they want, if they want the Melbourne the
30:37
Speaker 2: Biggest stand poured down their back to calm them, that's
30:40
Speaker 2: what happens. Patrick Christie, thank you so much indeed for
30:43
Speaker 2: your time after the break.
30:47
Speaker 1: Look, this country is.
30:48
Speaker 2: In decline and I'm going to talk to a man
30:50
Speaker 2: it's just been given the job of doing something about
30:52
Speaker 2: that by changing people's minds.
30:59
Speaker 1: Some good news help is coming.
31:02
Speaker 2: I mean right now we've got a triumphant alb and
31:04
Speaker 2: easy government that's actually so clueless that Australians have got
31:07
Speaker 2: poorer in eight of the past nine quarters when you
31:10
Speaker 2: measure our GDP per head of population.
31:12
Speaker 1: But look at the Liberals.
31:15
Speaker 2: They've lost their way. They've even promised higher taxes at
31:18
Speaker 2: the last election. So conservatives and classical liberals and free
31:22
Speaker 2: market capitalists all obviously need the intellectual help, every bit
31:28
Speaker 2: of it they can get to put this country back
31:30
Speaker 2: on its feet. And the good news is that they
31:32
Speaker 2: are going to get. At one of Australia's top think
31:34
Speaker 2: tanks is the Center for Independent studies that's been churning
31:37
Speaker 2: out some great policy ideas on the economy, on freedom,
31:40
Speaker 2: on education, risk upsetting my guests here, but I do
31:45
Speaker 2: think it's lacked a little cut through in the media.
31:49
Speaker 2: But my guest is going to be its new boss,
31:51
Speaker 2: and I think that's marvelous. Is Michael Stutchbury, who's the
31:54
Speaker 2: former editor of The Australian then became the longest serving
31:57
Speaker 2: editor or editor in chief of The Austraian and Financial
32:00
Speaker 2: Review ever had. Is a man who really understands business,
32:03
Speaker 2: the economy, and he joins me now. Michael Statchbury, thank
32:07
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Congratulations. Let's start with
32:11
Speaker 2: the big picture first, Australia. Are we in relative decline economically?
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Speaker 11: I think Australia is really one of the world's most
32:20
Speaker 11: prosperous economies. And I don't think Australians really quite appreciate
32:25
Speaker 11: that per capita income, for example, is like a third
32:29
Speaker 11: higher than the UK. It's higher than Germany, it's higher
32:32
Speaker 11: than Sweden, it's way higher than Japan, for example. We
32:36
Speaker 11: are a very prosperous nation and that's come about through
32:38
Speaker 11: a couple of things. All the sort of opening up
32:41
Speaker 11: of the economy. The microeconomic reforms, pro market reforms of
32:47
Speaker 11: the nineteen eighties and nineties, then followed by the incredible
32:52
Speaker 11: good luck of the China boom and the biggest resources
32:55
Speaker 11: boom in our history, really meant that we became a
32:56
Speaker 11: very prosperous nation. This is really peak though, I think
33:00
Speaker 11: probably over a decade ago, and it's sort of gone sideways.
33:05
Speaker 11: And I think now that we're at a period where
33:08
Speaker 11: that with productivity flatlining since twenty sixteen, so nearly a decade,
33:14
Speaker 11: we're probably in We're probably going through a period now
33:17
Speaker 11: went through the pandemic of a relative decline in living
33:23
Speaker 11: stands about where we could be. You know, living stands
33:27
Speaker 11: might creep ahead, but we certainly won't get the big
33:30
Speaker 11: boosts that we had over the few decades coming out
33:33
Speaker 11: of in the stressing in the nineties and into.
33:36
Speaker 3: The two thousands where we really became prosperous.
33:39
Speaker 11: We're not going to see that again, and it's going
33:41
Speaker 11: to flat line and it might decline.
33:43
Speaker 2: Do you think Australia's got too addicted then to big
33:47
Speaker 2: government and big handouts, because that's exactly what they've got
33:50
Speaker 2: from this Albanizi government and they've rewarded it.
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Speaker 11: I think because we have such a prosperous nation, Australians
33:57
Speaker 11: by and large were quite receptive to the idea coming
34:00
Speaker 11: particularly from Labor, although not really challenged much by the Coalition,
34:05
Speaker 11: that the way to deal with all of this was
34:06
Speaker 11: to borrow more money from the future and to give
34:10
Speaker 11: various handouts to people now, and that we do have
34:14
Speaker 11: become a little bit addicted to things such as energy
34:18
Speaker 11: bill rebates which really hide the increased cost of energy
34:21
Speaker 11: and the energy transition, if you like, and various handouts
34:25
Speaker 11: which are really just money that the government's borrowing on
34:29
Speaker 11: our behalf from the future to give us now and
34:32
Speaker 11: trying to sort of say, well, this is a really
34:34
Speaker 11: good part of economic management.
34:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wonder what can actually switch us back
34:40
Speaker 2: to how we were twenty years ago in regard to
34:43
Speaker 2: those issues, you know, when even the Liberals didn't dare
34:47
Speaker 2: in the last election do much about challenging this narrative.
34:51
Speaker 2: In fact, they were big spending and even higher taxing,
34:55
Speaker 2: at least according to their promises than Labor. I mean,
34:58
Speaker 2: I just wonder whether we're cultural stuck in this mindset.
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Speaker 1: I think there is a real cultural element to it.
35:07
Speaker 11: Labor has promoted the growth of the care economy if
35:10
Speaker 11: you like Medicare, age care, the NDS. And part of
35:16
Speaker 11: this is because we've become an older becoming an older population,
35:19
Speaker 11: so you get more age care, and so we've been
35:22
Speaker 11: very willing to increase the size of the care economy,
35:26
Speaker 11: largely very heavily government funded at least and sometimes government provided,
35:32
Speaker 11: but haven't become more productive outside that in order to
35:36
Speaker 11: pay for it. And so we're missing a big part
35:39
Speaker 11: of this equation. If you want more of these things,
35:41
Speaker 11: we do really need to grow the size of the
35:44
Speaker 11: pie so that we can pay for it, and that's
35:48
Speaker 11: lacking now. The education, for example, is a classic example
35:51
Speaker 11: of this school education where we had all the Gonsky
35:54
Speaker 11: spending during the over the past decade or so plow
35:57
Speaker 11: more money into schools, but school performance has actually fallen
36:02
Speaker 11: because we have led too much on more government cushioning
36:09
Speaker 11: us and helping us out, rather than a government that
36:12
Speaker 11: sharpens incentive, tries to reduce the cost burdens a very
36:16
Speaker 11: high cost society and try to reduce the red tape
36:18
Speaker 11: burden which has become a bit suffocating, particularly on wealth
36:22
Speaker 11: creators and businesses.
36:24
Speaker 2: Let's turn to the Center for Independent Studies. It's done
36:27
Speaker 2: a lot of work on economic issue economic reform.
36:32
Speaker 3: It's also done on.
36:33
Speaker 2: Freedom, freedom and religion, and average relisues for reviolen is
36:37
Speaker 2: very good there. And of course on education. You haven't
36:41
Speaker 2: really or the CIS hasn't really got stuck into the
36:44
Speaker 2: so called culture wars in a big way.
36:46
Speaker 1: The IPA and Melbourne has.
36:48
Speaker 2: CIS hasn't and especially what's derided Michael as the climate wars,
36:54
Speaker 2: questioning whether this really is a climate crisis that justifies
36:58
Speaker 2: spending all these billions of dollars every year making electricity
37:02
Speaker 2: and gas prohibitively expensive in order to make no difference
37:05
Speaker 2: in anyone commission to the Climate. I just wonder, don't
37:09
Speaker 2: we have to fight the climate wars and the anti
37:11
Speaker 2: nuclear war as well if we're ever going to get
37:14
Speaker 2: energy prices down.
37:16
Speaker 1: Well.
37:16
Speaker 11: I think the issue where there's unfolding is that the
37:21
Speaker 11: transition of trying to take out from what has been
37:24
Speaker 11: a fossil fuel intensive economy and decarbonized is a more
37:28
Speaker 11: costly thing than people recognized or suggested or advertised. So
37:34
Speaker 11: it's to take it's going to be more expensive, and
37:36
Speaker 11: it's going to take longer. On the other hand, what
37:39
Speaker 11: Australia does of itself is not going to really change
37:43
Speaker 11: the climate as well. Another element is that I don't
37:46
Speaker 11: think from looking at it that the world's biggest emitters China,
37:51
Speaker 11: the US, India, and Russia. I don't think they're going
37:55
Speaker 11: to get to net zero by twenty fifty. So I
37:59
Speaker 11: think over all, the overall the global transition will take longer.
38:05
Speaker 11: We probably should spend more on adaptation as well, given
38:09
Speaker 11: that exactly what we do here won't really affect the
38:12
Speaker 11: climate because we're not that big. Doesn't mean we shouldn't
38:14
Speaker 11: do anything, but we probably should spend more on adapting.
38:17
Speaker 11: If the world, if the climate is getting warmer and
38:20
Speaker 11: that's in a dangerous way, we probably spend more on that.
38:23
Speaker 11: And I think this debate will flow from this. It's
38:28
Speaker 11: an open question whether a grid based overwhelmingly on renewables
38:33
Speaker 11: with some battery back up, perhaps some gas, how stable
38:38
Speaker 11: that will be. We saw what happened in Spain, and
38:41
Speaker 11: the jury I think still out on that, at least
38:44
Speaker 11: from what I've seen as to what caused that.
38:46
Speaker 1: But the security of the.
38:48
Speaker 11: Reliability of the energy network is a you know, a
38:51
Speaker 11: lot of these sort of technical things, you know, will
38:53
Speaker 11: it can you run an electricity grid like Austrait So
38:57
Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of work to do that
38:58
Speaker 11: and I think that will affect that the real practical
39:01
Speaker 11: questions of what is the appropriate pace and scope and
39:06
Speaker 11: how do you do the transition? And these are all
39:07
Speaker 11: big questions up for grabs.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think first of all you've got to establish
39:13
Speaker 2: whether there is a big problem that you actually need
39:15
Speaker 2: to fix. I think there's that question too. As for
39:18
Speaker 2: the Spain, I mean it's not so much that the
39:20
Speaker 2: jury is out, is that the Spanish government refuses to
39:24
Speaker 2: say what the jury has found. Michael Stutchbury really looking
39:28
Speaker 2: forward to what you do and actually to promote the
39:31
Speaker 2: sort of debates you've raised there.
39:33
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Thanks Andrew and great great to
39:37
Speaker 1: be on the show.
39:40
Speaker 2: You know, I cannot believe the confected outrage told about
39:46
Speaker 2: a joke by a former liberal about women.
39:51
Speaker 3: I mean, the laying has got to be challenged.
39:55
Speaker 2: Plus Australia's top medico charge of transgender treatment?
39:59
Speaker 1: Is it fact though?
40:00
Speaker 3: Judge?
40:01
Speaker 2: Are children being rushed into life changing treatment? You know,
40:09
Speaker 2: I can't believe the confected outrage over a joke told
40:15
Speaker 2: by Alan Stockdale to fellow Liberals this week. Now, Stockdale's
40:20
Speaker 2: former Treasurer of Victoria, the last good one it'd had,
40:23
Speaker 2: and is helping to run the dysfunctional New South Wales
40:27
Speaker 2: branch of the Liberal Party. Anyway, he was talking about
40:30
Speaker 2: quotas for women in politics and joke, I think women
40:33
Speaker 2: are sufficiently assertive now that we should be giving some
40:36
Speaker 2: thoughts to whether we need to protect men's involvement.
40:40
Speaker 3: Ah might be poorly.
40:41
Speaker 2: Expressed, I don't know, but I get what he was
40:43
Speaker 2: trying to say, that quality women are making a tougher
40:45
Speaker 2: mediocre men. And note that he said sufficiently assertive. But
40:50
Speaker 2: the world is full of main chances, only too quick
40:53
Speaker 2: to misrepresent and take offense for political advantage like the
40:58
Speaker 2: Prime Minister today claimed that Stockdale had said that women
41:02
Speaker 2: were too assertive, not sufficiently assertive, and made out that
41:06
Speaker 2: Stockdale wasn't joking.
41:08
Speaker 4: These statements by mister Stockdale two the Liberal Women's group
41:15
Speaker 4: of all people to make those statements too, that somehow
41:20
Speaker 4: you might need to actually have discrimination in favor of
41:23
Speaker 4: men because women were too assertive in the Liberal Party
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Speaker 4: has been met with derision by members of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: But you saw that's not what Stockdale said. But activists
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Speaker 2: everywhere preferred the falsehood to the truth, all the better
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Speaker 2: to smash the Liberals. But of course senior Liberals defended him,
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Speaker 2: didn't they. Not quite New Liberal leader Susan Lee, you
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Speaker 2: should a statement there is nothing wrong with being an
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Speaker 2: assertive woman, even though Stockdale suggested no such thing, and
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Speaker 2: she went on, in fact, I encourage assertive women to
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Speaker 2: join the Liberal Party. Joining is Caroline de Russo, a
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Speaker 2: commentator and president of the West Astralian Liberals, and James Morrow,
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Speaker 2: hosts of The US Report and co host on Outsiders
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Speaker 2: every Sunday.
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Speaker 3: Caroline, this is going to be used.
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Speaker 2: There's more ammunition to claim the women the Liberals are
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Speaker 2: anti women, although I'm right now looking at one who's
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Speaker 2: a president of a state branch.
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Speaker 3: Is that fair on Stockdale or on the party?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's one of those things in politics.
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Speaker 12: You always got to remember that perception goes a lot
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Speaker 12: further than the truth. So you know, I mean, Allen
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Speaker 12: has come out and he's apologized. He said that his
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Speaker 12: words were probably not the best chosen words, but it
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Speaker 12: doesn't matter because it's already been used as ammunition. And
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Speaker 12: I think the simple fact of the matter is probably
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Speaker 12: I don't know this, but I probably think he wish
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Speaker 12: he may have chosen his words a little differently, because
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Speaker 12: the fact of the matter is, it doesn't actually matter
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Speaker 12: what he said. What gets weaponized, and then what gets rehashed,
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Speaker 12: and then what gets used to again, you know, perpetrate
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Speaker 12: that perception that the Liberal Party is unfriendly to women
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Speaker 12: when you know, we know that in reality that's not
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Speaker 12: the case. So I just just broadly, you know, everyone
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Speaker 12: needs to kind of watch their words a little bit,
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Speaker 12: and I know that we shouldn't necessarily have to, but
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Speaker 12: the simple fact of the matter is they will very
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Speaker 12: very quickly be weaponized and it is always harder to
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Speaker 12: wind all of that back.
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Speaker 2: But James, the essential criticism then is that Stockdale said
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Speaker 2: something that enabled people to lie about him and the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party. I mean, seriously, who should we be condemning
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Speaker 2: him or the liars?
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I mean you should condemn the liars, of
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Speaker 13: course you should, Andrew, But in this political climate that
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Speaker 13: we're in here where labor just want a thumping victory
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Speaker 13: over the Liberals, specifically specifically by lying about things whether
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Speaker 13: it was the six hundred million dollar cost of the
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Speaker 13: nuclear reactors or whether it was that you know, oh,
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Speaker 13: if Peter definitely becomes Prime minister, you won't be able
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Speaker 13: to work from home anymore.
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Speaker 2: Oh oh ho.
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Speaker 13: You know, this is the environment that the Liberal Party
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Speaker 13: is operating in, and you know, is it fair. No,
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Speaker 13: it's absolutely not fair. But that's the nature of politics sometimes,
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Speaker 13: that's stature of the media sometimes, and frankly that's the
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Speaker 13: nature of some elements within the Liberal Party as well,
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Speaker 13: which are also going to, you know, look to use
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Speaker 13: this as a bit of a cudgel for their own
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Speaker 13: factional benefit within the party. So, you know, everybody, particularly
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Speaker 13: people on the conservative side of politics, I think they
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Speaker 13: just need to And what he said it would have
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Speaker 13: seemed funny and innocent sitting around having a drink, but
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Speaker 13: you know, in that circumstance you always have to just think,
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Speaker 13: how is what I'm saying right now going to be
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Speaker 13: turned around, weaponized and used against me by people who
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Speaker 13: are just ready to strike a match and ignite the
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Speaker 13: flames of outrage at the slightest, slightest provocation.
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Speaker 1: Well, don't forget.
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Speaker 2: He was also had to think how many of these
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Speaker 2: liberals talking to will be so treacherous as they run
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Speaker 2: this safe against me and their own party. I mean truly,
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Speaker 2: But don't forget the media is here to tell people
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Speaker 2: the truth, not to say, oh, look the.
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Speaker 3: Lies you know you're going to That's what I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to do, Caroline.
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Speaker 1: Australian health officials I have think of.
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Speaker 2: I think they've been very slow to respond to evidence
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Speaker 2: that children identifying his transgender are in huge danger of
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Speaker 2: being rushed into, say changing treatment, not properly counseled. Now
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Speaker 2: is reporting Australia Today, a family called judges attacked Australia's
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Speaker 2: top gender medicine expert, Michelle Telfer for giving this leading
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Speaker 2: evidence supporting a mum who wanted her child to be
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Speaker 2: given puberty blockers. She's in fact the lead author of
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Speaker 2: the nation's guidelines on this stuff. The judge stripped the
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Speaker 2: mother in this case of custody of the twelve year
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Speaker 2: old and criticize the Royal Children Children's Hospital, Melbourne for
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Speaker 2: fainting to give a formal gender dysphoria diagnosis of the
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Speaker 2: child until this colt hit proceedings is standard, despite treating
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Speaker 2: this child for six years.
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Speaker 1: I mean that is extraordinary, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: It's absolutely extraordinary. And the thing is, you know, when
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Speaker 12: we're talking about adults, like go for your life, do
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Speaker 12: whatever you like, you know, that's entirely up to you,
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Speaker 12: and you're an aurult and you can make those sorts
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Speaker 12: of decisions when you are a child. There's a really
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Speaker 12: good reason why, you know, we don't let kids drink,
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Speaker 12: and we don't let kids smoke, and we don't let
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Speaker 12: them drive them for a whole bunch of other reasons.
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Speaker 12: But what what this actually, this sort of story makes
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Speaker 12: me really sad because that child has evidently got some
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Speaker 12: sort of vulnerability anyway, and for what has now just
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Speaker 12: happened in addition to all of that with the custody
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Speaker 12: being taken away, and you just you actually, I really
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Speaker 12: worry about that child and where they're at in a
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Speaker 12: physical health and a mental health sense at this point
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Speaker 12: in time, because whatever it has been, the situation which
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Speaker 12: may or may not be good for that child, it
47:14
Speaker 12: has now been all interrupted again. So I find it
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Speaker 12: absolutely extraordinary.
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Speaker 10: But you know, these.
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Speaker 12: Judges, they have to be accountable for these decisions, so
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Speaker 12: I can understand why this judge was so angry in
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Speaker 12: this well, not angry, but took the view that makes
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Speaker 12: on this particular case because that misleading evidence is incredibly serious.
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Speaker 12: But ultimately, where is this child at now?
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Speaker 1: Look?
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Speaker 12: I think about that and that just makes me feel
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Speaker 12: terribly sad.
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Speaker 2: James, You've only got forty five seconds, but good to
47:48
Speaker 2: know that at nine o'clock you'll be doing Poor Murray show,
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Speaker 2: so people get more of you there.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this?
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Speaker 13: Well, I just think very quickly. The other thing too,
47:56
Speaker 13: is that this shows how Australia is so behind the times.
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Speaker 13: We've seen cases in the UK and France, around Europe
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Speaker 13: and the United States that move's been a way for
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Speaker 13: exactly this sort of treatment, and we are still doing
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Speaker 13: this sort of thing. I think it's very good that
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Speaker 13: this is getting a light shot on it, but we
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Speaker 13: are well behind waking up to some of the problems
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Speaker 13: with this field of medicine that we've seen already in
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Speaker 13: other countries.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope it will be more on your show. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be lots of great stuff in your
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Speaker 2: show tonight, nine o'clock. James to Morrow and karenly Lindarusso
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Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 3: For me, Sherry Maxon up next, good Night,