Latest / I Am All In with Scott Patterson / I Can’t Believe I’m Doing This (Part 2) (S2, E13 "A-Tisket, A-Tasket")
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in that kiss you. I am all
- 0:17Speaker 1: in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast guys.
- 0:21Speaker 1: Good to see you, good to see how you're doing. Yes,
- 0:26Speaker 1: it has. And uh I met Matt on Beverly Hills
- 0:31Speaker 1: nine o two and oh, um what your show runner
- 0:35Speaker 1: was on the writing staff at Gilmore and she called
- 0:40Speaker 1: me and said, hey, you want to do an arc
- 0:42Speaker 1: play Matt Lander's dad. I said, sign me up. Yeah.
- 0:46Speaker 1: So I so I went back and actually watched the
- 0:49Speaker 1: episode where you came in, because you know, honestly, like
- 0:53Speaker 1: in same with you, you know this stuff when you
- 0:55Speaker 1: do so many, like episode hundreds of episodes, it's hard
- 0:58Speaker 1: to remember. And so I went back, I watched it,
- 1:01Speaker 1: kind of watched your entrance and kind of what your
- 1:03Speaker 1: character is all about. You want to you want a
- 1:05Speaker 1: real nice dad. You're trying to get my my You're
- 1:10Speaker 1: trying to get me to like steal my stepdad's fortune.
- 1:13Speaker 1: So anyway, but good times and and uh, you know
- 1:19Speaker 1: you Becca, Yeah, you mentioned Rebecca, and I think that
- 1:24Speaker 1: Liam from sort of that season two on when Rebecca
- 1:28Speaker 1: really came into nine o two, and oh, there was
- 1:30Speaker 1: a lot of um Luke influence in Liam and to
- 1:35Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't realize that at the time.
- 1:38Speaker 1: I had not seen gil More Girls at that time,
- 1:41Speaker 1: But looking back, I mean, there's so many similarities. Um,
- 1:46Speaker 1: and I feel like the season one Liam that we
- 1:49Speaker 1: saw nine O two and oh, it was a little
- 1:51Speaker 1: different from season two going forward. In season two going forward,
- 1:54Speaker 1: I really felt like there was a lot of of
- 1:57Speaker 1: Luke influence and actually like a little bit of Jess influence.
- 2:01Speaker 1: I think, kind of that Wrong side of the Tracks kid,
- 2:04Speaker 1: and um, yeah, even to the point where in nine
- 2:07Speaker 1: two and oh they got me a green army jacket,
- 2:12Speaker 1: which I know was one of your things, right, I
- 2:15Speaker 1: saw you wearing a green army jacket and uh the
- 2:17Speaker 1: episode of Gilmore Girls that we're about to talk about,
- 2:22Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you guys? And you know, the one
- 2:24Speaker 1: thing that I remember most clearly about that experience and
- 2:29Speaker 1: what year was that? Was that like two thousand That
- 2:35Speaker 1: would have been maybe what nine or nine or ten?
- 2:39Speaker 1: So was it really so? Yeah? What? Because that was
- 2:44Speaker 1: the first year we were dating long distance? That's how
- 2:46Speaker 1: I know it's Yeah. I think nine O two and
- 2:50Speaker 1: No started in two thousand eight, so it very well
- 2:53Speaker 1: might have been oh nine when we had our stuff together,
- 2:55Speaker 1: because I tell you, I felt like I was away
- 2:58Speaker 1: from the business for a while. I mean, I was
- 3:01Speaker 1: kind of doing that indie film kind of thing and
- 3:04Speaker 1: during low budget stuff because I'd done I'd done a
- 3:07Speaker 1: series for NBC in two thousand ten that bled into
- 3:13Speaker 1: two thousand eleven and I did nine oh two one
- 3:15Speaker 1: oh No. It was It couldn't have been O nine,
- 3:19Speaker 1: I think so was it was? It? Possibly it was
- 3:22Speaker 1: because I felt like I was so so it possibly
- 3:27Speaker 1: could have been early ten. I'll tell I'll tell, I'll
- 3:29Speaker 1: tell you why it was so shocking. You know, I
- 3:31Speaker 1: was so shocking. It's because the level of craft service there.
- 3:34Speaker 1: I mean, the food was everywhere and it was super
- 3:37Speaker 1: high quality and there were these massive amounts of it.
- 3:41Speaker 1: And I walked down to that sound stage and I
- 3:43Speaker 1: was like, god, man, it's nice to be back to
- 3:46Speaker 1: network television. It's like, yeah, I love that. We had
- 3:50Speaker 1: great craft service, the best. They wanted us to take
- 3:54Speaker 1: our shirts off at the beach all the time, and
- 3:55Speaker 1: you know, meanwhile, you know there's an amazing spread. You
- 3:59Speaker 1: can't enjoy the dessert right exactly exactly. But I was
- 4:03Speaker 1: so happy to be on that set. You have no idea. Uh,
- 4:06Speaker 1: and it wasn't. Laura Laughlin was on that show, right,
- 4:10Speaker 1: she was yeahs and I reunited with those two and
- 4:16Speaker 1: and well, who was that nice girl? She was so nice? Uh,
- 4:20Speaker 1: the young girl, the blonde girl from Texas what I'm
- 4:23Speaker 1: terrible with names, but she's a known actress and uh,
- 4:28Speaker 1: Angela McCord. She was lovely and welcoming, and it was
- 4:34Speaker 1: just such a great You guys were great. You guys
- 4:36Speaker 1: were just great. Well, I love that whole thing. Yeah,
- 4:40Speaker 1: that you had a great experience. I mean that's oh,
- 4:43Speaker 1: I reckon. If you ever reboot that show, call me okay,
- 4:47Speaker 1: because what are they gonna do reboot it for the
- 4:50Speaker 1: eighth time? Why not? I mean that's that's the world
- 4:54Speaker 1: we live in, right. Um So, so what do you
- 4:58Speaker 1: guys doing now? How many kids you have? Just the one? Yeah?
- 5:05Speaker 1: Although sometimes she kind of classifies me as a kid. Um,
- 5:09Speaker 1: that's I'm my wife does the same thing to me. So, well,
- 5:14Speaker 1: we're guys, It's just that's what we are. We're big babies.
- 5:19Speaker 1: We moved from l a uh to Nashville. Actually, we're
- 5:24Speaker 1: kind of basing ourselves in Nashville. And as you know,
- 5:27Speaker 1: you know, we we have to travel everywhere to work now,
- 5:30Speaker 1: especially now. Um so we kind of at some point
- 5:33Speaker 1: just we were like, well, we're going all over the
- 5:35Speaker 1: place to do TV series anyway, might as well just
- 5:38Speaker 1: move our home base. And you know how our kid
- 5:41Speaker 1: grew up somewhere with a yard and that sort of stuff.
- 5:44Speaker 1: So yes, we're based in Nashville. Now, you know, we
- 5:47Speaker 1: were we were looking. I was looking in in Brentwood
- 5:50Speaker 1: and Franklin and I was looking in all those areas.
- 5:53Speaker 1: There's a big wave of l A people going to Nashville. Oh,
- 5:58Speaker 1: it's it's pretty wild. Like six of I think new
- 6:03Speaker 1: people in our neighborhood are from California, Southern California specifically.
- 6:08Speaker 1: It's wild. And that's one of the reasons also that
- 6:10Speaker 1: we kind of chose Nashville. We kind of chose it
- 6:13Speaker 1: right before all the pandemic stuff started, so we kind
- 6:16Speaker 1: of but the city is really blowing up this influx
- 6:22Speaker 1: of people, and also we kind of felt like it
- 6:25Speaker 1: felt a little bit like a sister city to l
- 6:27Speaker 1: A in terms of just it's an entertainment minded city,
- 6:31Speaker 1: Like the city gets entertainment. Um so there's a lot
- 6:34Speaker 1: of people from the area, a lot of flights, just
- 6:37Speaker 1: a lot of people with dual homes, and there's no
- 6:40Speaker 1: traffic really really not compared and pretty much the majority
- 6:46Speaker 1: of our friends have followed us here, so we have
- 6:48Speaker 1: a nice little group of friends. Yeah, yeah, come on
- 6:52Speaker 1: down Scott. You know, I'm actually I'm actually scheduled to
- 6:56Speaker 1: be down there at the end of February because um,
- 7:00Speaker 1: I'm doing some songwriting um um sessions with all these
- 7:06Speaker 1: great country artists for an entire week, and then I'm
- 7:10Speaker 1: going to perform at the Bluebird Cafe. I think, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 7:16Speaker 1: you've never been the Bluebird Yeah, yeah, I haven't either.
- 7:19Speaker 1: I understand it's very quaint, very small. Everybody's like I
- 7:22Speaker 1: could reach out and touch people in the audience. But yeah, right,
- 7:26Speaker 1: so right, so but now I just you know, I
- 7:31Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna probably have to move that
- 7:35Speaker 1: because I got an offer to do a film that
- 7:40Speaker 1: starts mid February, and I don't know if I can
- 7:43Speaker 1: kind of manage the schedule and go from that location
- 7:46Speaker 1: to Nashville for a week to do that. But I'm
- 7:49Speaker 1: really excited about that Nashville opportunity. Well, if you do
- 7:53Speaker 1: or when, yeah, I'll let you know, hit me up. Yeah,
- 7:57Speaker 1: exchange information here. Yeah, I think I'll stay. I'll stay
- 7:59Speaker 1: in Asheville proper, and then I'll just go to the
- 8:02Speaker 1: Warner Chapel and and and use that. They They've got
- 8:06Speaker 1: me coming in and writing with some of their tough people,
- 8:08Speaker 1: and I'm amazing. I mean, I'm just completely intimidated by
- 8:11Speaker 1: that whole situation, but I'm going to go through it.
- 8:15Speaker 1: They say, anybody who's everybody has been consider yourself somebody
- 8:21Speaker 1: if I remember the words, yeah, I mean wow, wouldn't
- 8:27Speaker 1: that be something? But anyway, Yeah, so the whole Yeah, God,
- 8:31Speaker 1: I looked all over and um, you know, we did
- 8:34Speaker 1: get out of l A. But we didn't go very far.
- 8:37Speaker 1: We went close to the beach. By the beach can
- 8:42Speaker 1: never be bad. Yeah, um, but man, I was so close.
- 8:46Speaker 1: There was some great homes. There were some great homes
- 8:49Speaker 1: for sale, oh my, and they're so big and mean
- 8:53Speaker 1: yard the prices are starting to skyrocketing area but still compared.
- 8:59Speaker 1: I mean, it really is pretty especially when we moved.
- 9:02Speaker 1: You know what we were able to get for the
- 9:04Speaker 1: same amount of money that we were in l A.
- 9:06Speaker 1: It's just it's I know, what was that. Sorry, Angel,
- 9:11Speaker 1: you actually get a yard here right right right, you know,
- 9:14Speaker 1: you get a place for your kids to stretch their
- 9:16Speaker 1: legs and yeah, good school. Yeah yeah, I yeah, Now
- 9:23Speaker 1: I just we just I just take my boy on
- 9:25Speaker 1: the beach and chase him around and chases me around,
- 9:27Speaker 1: and I love it. I collapse, you know that kind
- 9:33Speaker 1: So what's going on with you guys? I mean, what
- 9:35Speaker 1: kind of what kind of stuff are you doing? Did
- 9:36Speaker 1: you watch the episode? Yeah? So what do you think?
- 9:39Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about the episode a little bit.
- 9:41Speaker 1: What do you think of this episode? Yeah? Yeah, so,
- 9:47Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, we are fans of Gilmore Girls. Um,
- 9:52Speaker 1: the way it started was I was actually filming a
- 9:54Speaker 1: pilot in uh. I was filming a show called Timeless,
- 9:58Speaker 1: and Angel came up to visit and she was kind
- 10:01Speaker 1: of there for a week in the hotel room. And
- 10:02Speaker 1: when I'd come home after filming, she was watching this
- 10:05Speaker 1: new show that she hadn't watched before. Of course we've
- 10:07Speaker 1: heard about it, but called Gilmore Girls. And yeah, and Matt,
- 10:15Speaker 1: you hadn't heard of Gilmore Girls? No, No, I had
- 10:18Speaker 1: heard of it. I hadn't seen it because we worked together.
- 10:21Speaker 1: I came from Gilmore Girls, I played your of course,
- 10:25Speaker 1: where did you think I came from about the show?
- 10:31Speaker 1: We just had never sat down and watched it in
- 10:33Speaker 1: order that that was like, you know, with him doing
- 10:37Speaker 1: a pilot. I'm sure you understand the pilot situation, right,
- 10:40Speaker 1: there's no time to do anything, no life, life. So
- 10:43Speaker 1: I'm sitting in Vancouver in a hotel room by myself,
- 10:46Speaker 1: just in the middle of winter, watching Gilmore Girl place,
- 10:52Speaker 1: of course, that's right. Um, So I would come home
- 11:01Speaker 1: and you know, I I zalk out on the bed
- 11:03Speaker 1: and maybe get a little backscratch or something while we
- 11:05Speaker 1: watched Gilmore. That was He's downplaying it. That was the negotiation.
- 11:09Speaker 1: I will watch this with you if you scratch my back. Yeah.
- 11:13Speaker 1: And uh so we started watching it and I kind
- 11:15Speaker 1: of got into it. I think you just started to
- 11:18Speaker 1: fall in love with the characters. And honestly, we've always
- 11:21Speaker 1: felt that Stars Hollow is a character, and so absolutely, yeah,
- 11:26Speaker 1: the location definitely plays a character. Yeah, um, but just
- 11:31Speaker 1: the charm of it. Anyway, So fast forward, we ended
- 11:34Speaker 1: up watching the whole series. We love it. We've got
- 11:36Speaker 1: numerous friends that watch it actually on a yearly basis.
- 11:39Speaker 1: They go through and to a rewatch. We actually did
- 11:42Speaker 1: a Gilmore Girls trivia night in Ohio a couple of
- 11:46Speaker 1: months ago when we were there, and I know you
- 11:47Speaker 1: saw that Halloween picture that we did as Luca Moore,
- 11:51Speaker 1: Lie and U Rory. But anyway, so yeah, so the episode, Um, yeah,
- 11:57Speaker 1: I mean I I loved it. Something different for me
- 12:02Speaker 1: in this episode that stood out to me, I should say,
- 12:05Speaker 1: is I felt like there was a lot of some
- 12:09Speaker 1: of the you know, I don't want to call them
- 12:11Speaker 1: auxiliary characters, but it wasn't necessarily a Laura Lie or
- 12:14Speaker 1: a Luke or Rory. They had pretty deep storylines. You
- 12:17Speaker 1: had Lane, Um, and I felt like although the themes
- 12:22Speaker 1: that we saw were common themes in the series, I
- 12:25Speaker 1: felt like this episode was a little more yeah, like weighty,
- 12:29Speaker 1: and you know, there was that there was that very
- 12:34Speaker 1: really proposal, the very real talk between them about taking
- 12:38Speaker 1: a step forward their relationship. There was you really saw
- 12:41Speaker 1: Lane kind of going through it with her mom in
- 12:43Speaker 1: kind of a weighty way. And again, I I know
- 12:46Speaker 1: we see that that's one of her big storylines, her
- 12:50Speaker 1: mom is so overbearing, but often, as you know, Gilmore
- 12:54Speaker 1: Girls is kind of light and fluffy and Funds one
- 12:56Speaker 1: of the reasons we all love it, but I just
- 12:58Speaker 1: felt like there was a lot of weight, there's a
- 13:00Speaker 1: lot of wait to the storylines in this episode. I
- 13:06Speaker 1: find myself identifying with Lane a lot because of the
- 13:09Speaker 1: way I grew up and my friends. I grew up
- 13:11Speaker 1: in a in a very strict home, went to a
- 13:14Speaker 1: teeny tiny Christian school, and they'll lockdown on these friends.
- 13:19Speaker 1: Like I watched Lane with her mom and I'm like, yeah,
- 13:21Speaker 1: I went to school with her, I know her, I
- 13:22Speaker 1: know Mrs Kim, I know that life so well. So
- 13:27Speaker 1: it just always hits home for me when I watched
- 13:29Speaker 1: those storylines with her. Yeah, okay, so maybe you can
- 13:36Speaker 1: explain this to me, because we discussed this on the
- 13:39Speaker 1: podcast with it. We just we just recorded um this
- 13:42Speaker 1: separate episode, UM Lane having met the perfect guy who
- 13:48Speaker 1: her mother would approve of, and Henry cho Okay, he's
- 13:52Speaker 1: going to be a doctor. He's a good looking guy.
- 13:55Speaker 1: He likes Lane, she likes him. He greet it's a
- 14:01Speaker 1: she checks all the boxes for her mother. Why Angela,
- 14:07Speaker 1: because it's the logic of it didn't make sense to me.
- 14:10Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Lane use Henry Chow as it get out
- 14:15Speaker 1: jail Free card with her mom because she didn't want
- 14:18Speaker 1: to give her mom the satisfaction of being right interesting
- 14:22Speaker 1: in my opinion, because she didn't trust her. She just
- 14:26Speaker 1: feels like if I if I date this guy and
- 14:28Speaker 1: I really like him, I'm giving my mom her way.
- 14:30Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the good girls who get
- 14:33Speaker 1: raised in the crazy strict home who would just go
- 14:35Speaker 1: completely off the deep end and just to kind of
- 14:37Speaker 1: stick it to their parents. Kind of like that, I think.
- 14:40Speaker 1: So then I think that when she lost him and
- 14:41Speaker 1: she realized how much she liked him, it was like, man,
- 14:44Speaker 1: I screwed up because like that didn't even matter. The
- 14:47Speaker 1: situation my mom didn't matter because now I've got a heartbreak,
- 14:50Speaker 1: Like there was there was something more real about it
- 14:53Speaker 1: than just oh, mom's overbearing. I think that's what that's
- 14:57Speaker 1: kind of going back to what I'm saying. I felt
- 14:59Speaker 1: like there was a lot of like very real, weighty
- 15:02Speaker 1: things happening. It wasn't just a boy she liked at school.
- 15:04Speaker 1: It's a potential, like real emotional relationship, you know. And
- 15:10Speaker 1: and uh, I've watched that with girlfriends that I've grown
- 15:12Speaker 1: up with that they won't go out with a guy
- 15:14Speaker 1: or entertain a guy that they like just because it
- 15:16Speaker 1: will please their parents. They want to just do whatever
- 15:19Speaker 1: it is to just make their parents bad because they
- 15:21Speaker 1: feel like they've been so um what's looking she was?
- 15:28Speaker 1: And I think I think they both realize in that
- 15:31Speaker 1: moment right after the argument subsides and Mrs Kim says,
- 15:36Speaker 1: wait a minute, he's a doctor, he's Korean, and they
- 15:40Speaker 1: I think they both feel the loss in different ways.
- 15:43Speaker 1: And I think it's a very, very full moment. It
- 15:45Speaker 1: was the fullest moment of the entire episode because Mrs
- 15:49Speaker 1: Kim was second guessing herself about her parenting techniques. And
- 15:54Speaker 1: I think I've hurt my daughter. Now my daughter is
- 15:57Speaker 1: in pain, and I think I've been overbearing and one
- 16:00Speaker 1: at fault. I'm the one at fault. Oh my god,
- 16:03Speaker 1: she sucked. Did I do something wrong here to cause
- 16:06Speaker 1: my daughter to hide and mistreat? Yeah, I think it's
- 16:13Speaker 1: even maybe even more so, less not the fact that
- 16:16Speaker 1: she's hurt. It's more so the fact that, like my
- 16:20Speaker 1: parenting has caused her to go even further to hide
- 16:22Speaker 1: stuff from, which is what I've tried so hard to
- 16:25Speaker 1: get her not to do. Yeah. No, gosh, what a moment. Yeah,
- 16:32Speaker 1: And That's why I feel like there was a lot
- 16:34Speaker 1: of that going on with with all of these characters,
- 16:36Speaker 1: kind of like deeper, bigger life moments than just your
- 16:39Speaker 1: typical Gilmore girls, fun and fluffy in a way. I
- 16:44Speaker 1: don't mean that in a way to take away from
- 16:45Speaker 1: the storyline. It's not what I mean. I just mean,
- 16:47Speaker 1: I don't know. It just felt so real. It was
- 16:51Speaker 1: a weighty episode because we're seeing Dean gets so aggressive
- 16:55Speaker 1: in his jealousy. Well, Angela, we're watching the episode and
- 16:58Speaker 1: she was like, Dean is just a jerk, and I like,
- 17:00Speaker 1: I totally understand where Dean's coming from. The first time
- 17:03Speaker 1: I watched, I didn't have that opinion. But as I've
- 17:05Speaker 1: watched season one through again in season two, I feel
- 17:09Speaker 1: that he's unhealthy in his in his pursuit of not
- 17:14Speaker 1: not necessarily as his pursuit, but he's just his relationship.
- 17:18Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree more. Okay you too, come on, Yeah,
- 17:25Speaker 1: we discussed. We discussed Dean and and that love triangle Dean,
- 17:29Speaker 1: Rory and Jess love triangle at length, and I just
- 17:34Speaker 1: I think as an actor, Jared looked at that and said, boy,
- 17:37Speaker 1: I have to commit to this stuff. I have to
- 17:39Speaker 1: play this stuff because that's my job to do this,
- 17:43Speaker 1: to make to push her, to push her over to Jess,
- 17:47Speaker 1: and Jess being cool, calm and collected the whole time
- 17:49Speaker 1: has the easiest role in the world. Where he's just like,
- 17:52Speaker 1: you know, cool, calm and collected. She's gonna come to me.
- 17:54Speaker 1: I'm super good looking, I'm literate that we're reading the
- 17:57Speaker 1: same books. And you know, this is the girl that
- 18:02Speaker 1: has some baggage from the way she grew up. And
- 18:06Speaker 1: obviously I have baggage. There's darkness and both of them, right,
- 18:10Speaker 1: I really and and there's a self sufficiency and a
- 18:14Speaker 1: maturity with both of them. Um, there's a sophistication with
- 18:17Speaker 1: both of them there, um which and you don't find
- 18:21Speaker 1: that with Dean. He started out that way in the
- 18:24Speaker 1: pilot episode. Dean was a cool, mysterious guy that she
- 18:30Speaker 1: fell for. And now look at him. He's like running
- 18:33Speaker 1: to her mommy saying whining. And it's a destruction of
- 18:38Speaker 1: a character. I let me defend Dean for a minute.
- 18:42Speaker 1: Character for a minute. Somebody needs to yeah, right, yeah,
- 18:45Speaker 1: because that's a tough one. That's a tough one. Counselor,
- 18:48Speaker 1: I mean, you're taking on a tough client there, he's
- 18:51Speaker 1: been guilty as charged. To be fair. The first time
- 18:54Speaker 1: I watched To Get More Girls Through, I was team Dean,
- 18:57Speaker 1: I would believe. Being second time I've watched it through
- 19:00Speaker 1: a different I'm not team either one. Actually, I really
- 19:05Speaker 1: like both characters. I really like mild He's a great dude.
- 19:09Speaker 1: I know he's really nice dude. Um Here's what, here's
- 19:13Speaker 1: where I can I feel like I can identify with Dean.
- 19:16Speaker 1: And I don't think that he was overreacting. He he
- 19:19Speaker 1: was humiliated, like as a man, Scotty to be publicly
- 19:25Speaker 1: humiliated like that by another guy and have your girl
- 19:28Speaker 1: not defend you, right, that that was that showed me
- 19:33Speaker 1: that Rory didn't love him. It cuts deep and it
- 19:37Speaker 1: shows shows Angela He's right, he was late. I agree
- 19:43Speaker 1: with that. I do agree with that. It shows a
- 19:45Speaker 1: disrespect and at the core of a man. I think
- 19:50Speaker 1: a man needs to feel respected, right, whether by a
- 19:52Speaker 1: woman or his woman or by another man whatever. Men
- 19:56Speaker 1: need to be respected. So when when Dean is publicly
- 19:59Speaker 1: human amiliated and and he's under the thumb of of
- 20:04Speaker 1: um Jess and then also, like you said, his girlfriend
- 20:09Speaker 1: who his you know his ride or die. It doesn't
- 20:12Speaker 1: come to his his help. In fact, she sort of
- 20:16Speaker 1: goes and you know what, sleeps with the enemy. Um.
- 20:20Speaker 1: It is a total disrespect slapping his face and he
- 20:23Speaker 1: couldn't do anything about it. What was she supposed to do?
- 20:25Speaker 1: Was supposed to tradition? She is? She absolutely is. She's
- 20:29Speaker 1: supposed to say, you know what, Uh, you're slimy. I
- 20:34Speaker 1: don't care about your ninety bucks. That's my man. Here's
- 20:37Speaker 1: your picnic basket. Go you want your money back, get
- 20:40Speaker 1: it back from Taylor. Yeah. I think I think you're
- 20:43Speaker 1: the move that shows a guy like that's my girl lover,
- 20:48Speaker 1: that would have solidified their relationship, blown him away, But she, Rory,
- 20:52Speaker 1: didn't feel that way. Also, let me point out that
- 20:55Speaker 1: Dean was right. She ends up having a little thing
- 21:01Speaker 1: develop feelings for him. Right, he was, But he okay,
- 21:05Speaker 1: So another thing that he has to realize is is
- 21:10Speaker 1: he can't control her. Yeah. I just think, yeah, he
- 21:13Speaker 1: was an impossible situation and he overreacted to it. I
- 21:17Speaker 1: think the only thing that he could have done to
- 21:20Speaker 1: maybe scramble her brain a little bit was not reacting. God,
- 21:24Speaker 1: you want to be with him, go ahead, I'm out
- 21:26Speaker 1: walked away, and then that's on her mind, and then
- 21:30Speaker 1: who do you think she's gonna want him? A Dean? Yeah,
- 21:35Speaker 1: it's a game, It's exactly. That's what it is. Love
- 21:40Speaker 1: is the game that the chasing, it's the pursuing. That's
- 21:43Speaker 1: what it is. You gotta take your brain back to
- 21:47Speaker 1: that instead of where you are. You're rational now when
- 21:50Speaker 1: you have hormones racing three you at sixteen years old,
- 21:53Speaker 1: you're not rational. You're thinking about like, who, who's going
- 21:57Speaker 1: to come at me the hardest? I mean? And then
- 21:59Speaker 1: on the clips you're talking about specifically a female brain.
- 22:03Speaker 1: I don't think men do that. I disagree men don't
- 22:06Speaker 1: go which girls don't know. I'm not advocating that Dean
- 22:14Speaker 1: was correct and everything he did and that this is
- 22:16Speaker 1: the way it should have gone. I'm just saying, I
- 22:18Speaker 1: can I have empathy for that character and what he
- 22:22Speaker 1: did and how he reacted, and it turns out he
- 22:24Speaker 1: was right. I think her reaction to Jess in front
- 22:28Speaker 1: of Dean escalated the situation and and Dean's freak out
- 22:35Speaker 1: because he was seeing that his woman that he was
- 22:37Speaker 1: pouring his time, his love, his thoughts into, was not
- 22:42Speaker 1: reciprocating and that she was obviously interested and not disturbed
- 22:47Speaker 1: by this other guy. Why isn't she disturbed? Like I
- 22:50Speaker 1: am right? Yeah, yeah, she just sort of that ups
- 22:55Speaker 1: his anxiety, It escalates the situation. He comes on glued.
- 22:59Speaker 1: He runs to the mom relationship over Yeah, he totally
- 23:03Speaker 1: went out. Yep. Yeah, agree, And he didn't deserve that.
- 23:08Speaker 1: He didn't deserve it. But he's young. He'll get over it.
- 23:12Speaker 1: One more one more vote for being here, and why
- 23:14Speaker 1: I have a stick up for one more time because
- 23:18Speaker 1: you mentioned he runs to mommy, and I just feel
- 23:20Speaker 1: like that phrase is unfair because in this situation, In
- 23:25Speaker 1: this situation, Laurel is not your typical mom Laura. La
- 23:31Speaker 1: is almost more of a friend and the only lifeline
- 23:34Speaker 1: to Rory. But he was. I mean, I can't say
- 23:38Speaker 1: anything because I have been in a very similar situation
- 23:41Speaker 1: and I have seen my ex boyfriends go to my mom.
- 23:45Speaker 1: Yeah not good. I mean, when he gets mad at me,
- 23:47Speaker 1: he was my mom. That is not true, true, But
- 23:51Speaker 1: you know what I think, I think in a committed
- 23:53Speaker 1: relationship that happens more often than not, you know, but
- 23:58Speaker 1: I think when you're I think he thought he was
- 24:01Speaker 1: in a committed relationship. And he realizes he's not, so
- 24:04Speaker 1: he's going to Laureli out of this sort of concern,
- 24:08Speaker 1: But it was really more concerned for himself. And you know,
- 24:12Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I think if he was trying
- 24:13Speaker 1: to pose like I'm really concerned about your daughter and
- 24:15Speaker 1: she's making bad it's so personal for him. You're right,
- 24:20Speaker 1: it's trying to get Laurel on his team that she
- 24:22Speaker 1: can come down on Rory and say, Hey, what you're
- 24:25Speaker 1: doing isn't right. Somebody protect my heart, my heart. That's
- 24:31Speaker 1: exactly what it is. I can see that. I mean,
- 24:33Speaker 1: they're sixteen years old. You just got to be casual
- 24:36Speaker 1: and hang loose like I am with my pajamas. Hey,
- 24:42Speaker 1: trying to figure out who was on there, and I
- 24:44Speaker 1: kept seeing the hat thinking it was hair, and I
- 24:47Speaker 1: was like, do you have J T. T on your shirt?
- 24:52Speaker 1: So where do we get that? Can we get that
- 24:53Speaker 1: at our local? That was from the last the Jackson
- 24:56Speaker 1: wore a para pet jamas in the episode before this,
- 25:00Speaker 1: where he had headshots of himself and him and his
- 25:03Speaker 1: wrestling gear all over his pajamas and he was hiding.
- 25:07Speaker 1: He was hiding from Laurel, and then he came out
- 25:09Speaker 1: in these pajamas, so we just did a gag on
- 25:11Speaker 1: the previous thing. I'm glad it was crazy. That's gonna
- 25:14Speaker 1: be my new Christmas jammies next year. I don't know,
- 25:17Speaker 1: I'll find you know, Amy got these. They sent him
- 25:20Speaker 1: to me proudly, proudly and dig where I wear these
- 25:25Speaker 1: with great dignity. I want you to know that. Um yeah,
- 25:30Speaker 1: I we we discussed that at length. We also enjoyed,
- 25:34Speaker 1: uh the Suki Jackson interaction. Uh. And it was my
- 25:39Speaker 1: opinion that Suki was just and Angela, you can help
- 25:44Speaker 1: us here, um, but it is my contention that Suki
- 25:50Speaker 1: was just toying, was just playing Jackson to get him
- 25:54Speaker 1: to that point where he proposed you thought she was
- 25:58Speaker 1: freaking out, But how did she Okay, here's the thing.
- 26:01Speaker 1: How does she not pick up on the fact that
- 26:04Speaker 1: he was so disappointed about I mean, you were talking
- 26:08Speaker 1: about somebody who's like totally aloof and it's like walking
- 26:11Speaker 1: through the kitchen catching things on fire and people are
- 26:13Speaker 1: going behind her and but she's too But the beauty
- 26:15Speaker 1: of her, she's tuned into her her intimates, she's she
- 26:19Speaker 1: anticipates things that laurelized says before she's gonna say about
- 26:22Speaker 1: Rory because she's tuned into her intimates. She's tuned into Rory.
- 26:25Speaker 1: How why is she not tuned into Jackson? That's her
- 26:28Speaker 1: ultimate intimate and he's standing there obviously saying I want
- 26:32Speaker 1: to move in with you. But I think it's my
- 26:34Speaker 1: contention that she's the kind of girl that doesn't want
- 26:36Speaker 1: to live with somebody. She wants to be married. So
- 26:39Speaker 1: I think she wanted she wasn't going to be that girl,
- 26:42Speaker 1: but she's just too nice to say, hey, I'm not
- 26:44Speaker 1: that girl and reject him. She gave him a chance
- 26:47Speaker 1: to figure it out on his own right by just
- 26:50Speaker 1: completely reject not even acknowledging the my my leases up
- 26:56Speaker 1: like she knew what he was asked her to say
- 27:01Speaker 1: she knew it. I'm I'm confused. I'm confused by that
- 27:06Speaker 1: moment because the majority of episode it it feels like
- 27:10Speaker 1: she's totally aloof doesn't get it. But then at the
- 27:13Speaker 1: end she does say, yes, I have thought about living together.
- 27:17Speaker 1: You know yess She goes, I lied right as as
- 27:21Speaker 1: he was walking away the second time, So she did
- 27:25Speaker 1: pick up on all of his hurt and his pain,
- 27:29Speaker 1: but she wanted a marriage proposal. She was not going
- 27:33Speaker 1: to be the girl that lived in sin. But I
- 27:38Speaker 1: feel like she would have just said that to him.
- 27:44Speaker 1: I think. I don't know. I just think it puts
- 27:45Speaker 1: her in a very precarious position for her having to
- 27:48Speaker 1: say that to him. She does she she doesn't want
- 27:52Speaker 1: to have to prompt him, right, yeah, exactly, right, exactly.
- 27:57Speaker 1: I do want to say that it's probably the worst
- 28:00Speaker 1: proposal television history, very lack cluster. Like we're watching this.
- 28:08Speaker 1: It's so stible that I didn't even remember that it
- 28:11Speaker 1: happened this episode, you know what I mean. Like there's
- 28:15Speaker 1: no ring, okay, no ring whatever, but at least like
- 28:18Speaker 1: put the butt into it, not in conversation. Hey, what
- 28:21Speaker 1: do you think? I'm getting married and they're like main characters. Yeah,
- 28:31Speaker 1: I tell you, they really screw up. You know, there's
- 28:34Speaker 1: something about this show. I'm gonna make a statement here
- 28:37Speaker 1: and some people are gonna like it, But they really
- 28:39Speaker 1: screw up proposals on this show, don't they. They screwed
- 28:43Speaker 1: up to look in Laurel, I want to where I'm
- 28:45Speaker 1: like making this big speech and then she proposes to me. Right,
- 28:49Speaker 1: you remember that I had a problem. I had a problem.
- 28:52Speaker 1: I had a big problem with that. I did. And
- 28:54Speaker 1: now this and you point this out now and here's
- 28:57Speaker 1: this big moment, and but this is what they do.
- 29:00Speaker 1: They make the big things small and the small things big.
- 29:03Speaker 1: They do the opposite of whatever this is constantly doing this.
- 29:06Speaker 1: They're constantly doing this is their pattern. It's the quirkiness
- 29:10Speaker 1: of the series, right. I just well, I have a
- 29:12Speaker 1: hard time believing that that would come from Jackson, because
- 29:15Speaker 1: he puts so much thought into pursuing her to move
- 29:18Speaker 1: in together that he's just going to casually throw it
- 29:20Speaker 1: out in a conversation like it's a throwaway offer of
- 29:23Speaker 1: like let's get married. There was no thought behind it,
- 29:25Speaker 1: no preciousness about the moment, and he just completely out
- 29:30Speaker 1: of the blue, put her on the spot. She had
- 29:33Speaker 1: every right to say no or at least let me
- 29:36Speaker 1: think about it. It just felt like an afterthought. It's like,
- 29:40Speaker 1: if you're going to really romance somebody and you really
- 29:43Speaker 1: love them, you're gonna let them know that a special
- 29:45Speaker 1: moment is happening with this special dinner. And then there's
- 29:49Speaker 1: so many roses and things are you know, the woman
- 29:53Speaker 1: sort of knows what's going to happen because if there's
- 29:55Speaker 1: an elevated level of romance and nervousness coming from the guy,
- 30:00Speaker 1: and you know whatever, they get it, you know, when
- 30:03Speaker 1: you are really smart. I mean they're smarter than we are.
- 30:07Speaker 1: I mean it's like and we think we're being so
- 30:09Speaker 1: you know, clever, and we're not. And and it's and
- 30:12Speaker 1: she didn't get that. And I think you're right. I
- 30:15Speaker 1: think I think that kind of a marriage proposal deserves
- 30:19Speaker 1: something grand and well, I mean not even necessarily grand,
- 30:23Speaker 1: just some thoughts, something right, like you do it one time,
- 30:27Speaker 1: if you're marrying somebody for life, you could to ask them, right,
- 30:30Speaker 1: that's their memory of that moment when they just you know,
- 30:33Speaker 1: and it's got Yeah, I think it's got more of
- 30:35Speaker 1: a production. Yeah, Well as viewers then I've seen this show,
- 30:39Speaker 1: you know, I've seen that all that episode. I don't
- 30:41Speaker 1: know how many times I still forgot that that was
- 30:43Speaker 1: in that episode Forgettable a memorable moment. I mean, was
- 30:48Speaker 1: that was that? Leaning more into Jackson's character than to her,
- 30:52Speaker 1: you know, because he's a simple guy. He's a simple guy.
- 30:55Speaker 1: He's a farmer. He brings his fruit in, drops it off,
- 30:59Speaker 1: says I'll bring in an the basket of fruit tomorrow.
- 31:01Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, it's just such a
- 31:03Speaker 1: big deal when he asked her out for the first time.
- 31:05Speaker 1: It's but it's love, it's you're going to propose. It's
- 31:12Speaker 1: the ultimate question that you asked somebody in your life.
- 31:16Speaker 1: You're right, Angela, you know what. You're right? Um now
- 31:21Speaker 1: I changed my mind. No, I'm not so interested in moving.
- 31:25Speaker 1: I mean, no having second thoughts about it. Yeah, I'm
- 31:29Speaker 1: telling you about why don't you get married? Yeah, you're right,
- 31:31Speaker 1: it was it was cheap. It was cheap and easy
- 31:36Speaker 1: and no thought. I agree with you. I could see
- 31:40Speaker 1: that maybe we can get those actors to reshoot a
- 31:43Speaker 1: new scene. You know. You know what, the only the
- 31:45Speaker 1: only cure for this is to do a reboot with Netflix,
- 31:49Speaker 1: and it's a Luke and Laurel I massive wedding. And
- 31:51Speaker 1: then it's a redo for Jackson and Suki. It could
- 31:55Speaker 1: be a triple wedding. It could be Jackson SUNKI redo,
- 31:58Speaker 1: it could be Luke and Laurel I redo. Yeah. Rory
- 32:04Speaker 1: a Rory baby Rory whoever the baby daddy is? So
- 32:08Speaker 1: do you really not know who the baby daddy is?
- 32:12Speaker 1: I'll never tell. No, I mean, do you know really
- 32:19Speaker 1: or do you not know? You don't have to tell
- 32:20Speaker 1: us who it is? But do you know I'll never
- 32:22Speaker 1: tell Come on, come on listen, knowledgeist power and uh,
- 32:29Speaker 1: I'm about to exit this interview. No, you're not. I
- 32:36Speaker 1: I have a lot of feelings about the reboot and
- 32:38Speaker 1: a lot of I have a very in depth blog
- 32:41Speaker 1: post because I'm a blogger, so I've a very in depth,
- 32:45Speaker 1: very lengthy blog post review of Remember that, that's one
- 32:49Speaker 1: of my most popular blog posts. Really really? Yeah? Yeah?
- 32:52Speaker 1: Did you? Did you rip it apart? Yes? It felt
- 33:02Speaker 1: like And I'm not a TV reviewer, I'm not. I'm
- 33:05Speaker 1: a lifestyle blogger. Anything real, that's my jam. But that
- 33:09Speaker 1: show like we were up at midnight in Vancouver. Actually
- 33:14Speaker 1: we're a Whistler because it was over Thanksgiving break. We
- 33:18Speaker 1: were in Whistler waiting for midnight to press play on that.
- 33:21Speaker 1: We were so excited. Are you throwing your shoes at
- 33:23Speaker 1: the TV? I think that it just felt like a departure.
- 33:33Speaker 1: And I know you've heard this. I'm sure the chatter,
- 33:35Speaker 1: especially with Rory, it just felt like a departure for
- 33:38Speaker 1: some of the characters. Obviously, it's got nothing to do
- 33:41Speaker 1: with the acting. Everything looked great. It's just the story
- 33:45Speaker 1: it felt like different show. The direction of the characters
- 33:48Speaker 1: felt totally different. It's like Sex and the City the
- 33:51Speaker 1: reboot right now, it's a different show. Really, I didn't
- 33:54Speaker 1: completely different show. It's tough. I guess it's tough to
- 33:57Speaker 1: capture that flavor ten years later. Now. I don't think
- 34:00Speaker 1: that it's necessarily the flate. Well, I'm speaking specifically about
- 34:03Speaker 1: Sex in the City. They've just they've they've made it
- 34:06Speaker 1: so of essence of now versus what it was then,
- 34:10Speaker 1: and they tried to evolve no longer, but the characters aged, right,
- 34:19Speaker 1: so you have to you kind of have to do that.
- 34:20Speaker 1: So wouldn't it be awkward? I mean, would it have
- 34:23Speaker 1: been awkward if you know, we were nine years older
- 34:25Speaker 1: but we were going back to Stars Hollow two thousand
- 34:27Speaker 1: and eight. No, I don't think. I don't think I
- 34:30Speaker 1: had anything to do with the characters being old. It
- 34:33Speaker 1: was actually like the But I mean, that's what the
- 34:35Speaker 1: producers are forced to do, is to put it in
- 34:38Speaker 1: the here and now because when it was when it
- 34:41Speaker 1: was airing, it was here and now. Right. Look, my
- 34:43Speaker 1: biggest beef with the reboot for gil More Girls is
- 34:47Speaker 1: the fact that they made Rory completely a different person
- 34:52Speaker 1: all of a sudden. She is not the responsible, you know, heartwarming,
- 34:57Speaker 1: loving young girl, which she's a woman now, but you
- 35:00Speaker 1: don't all of a sudden grow up one day and
- 35:02Speaker 1: lose your ability to be a responsible human beings. Don't
- 35:05Speaker 1: feel like evolution of a character. It felt like a
- 35:08Speaker 1: falling a part of a character. We could do a
- 35:11Speaker 1: whole episode just on that. We could. We probably will,
- 35:15Speaker 1: so like, let's let's put a pin in this and
- 35:18Speaker 1: we'll pick this up on the next episode. So many opinions. Good,
- 35:22Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, you know, I want to hear them,
- 35:25Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's makes it interesting, all right. Actually,
- 35:29Speaker 1: and just to piggyback off that I actually liked the
- 35:32Speaker 1: progression of Luke and Moralai in the future. I actually did.
- 35:36Speaker 1: I didn't in the reboot. I didn't have any beef
- 35:39Speaker 1: with the way that you your characters were. My my
- 35:42Speaker 1: issue with Rory, right, Rory was a big one. Yeah,
- 35:45Speaker 1: that was that was Yeah, that was that was a
- 35:48Speaker 1: tough pill to swallow anyway, all right, So okay, so
- 35:52Speaker 1: we'll pick this up, we'll do another we'll do another
- 35:54Speaker 1: segment down the road. Um, but we're gonna do rapid
- 35:59Speaker 1: fire right out. Are you ready for this? Alright? How
- 36:03Speaker 1: do you take your coffee? Quick answers? Let's go. Can
- 36:08Speaker 1: you smell snow? Are your team Logan, Jess or Dean
- 36:14Speaker 1: Grass I'll say Jess. I'll say Jess. I have no shame.
- 36:21Speaker 1: I like Jess. He actually he knows both. The only
- 36:28Speaker 1: one that you don't know in real life is Logan.
- 36:31Speaker 1: I don't really know Jared. I've met him once. Who Yeah,
- 36:38Speaker 1: it's great, Yeah they're Angela. Your reaction was it was
- 36:45Speaker 1: maybe even better than Ted Rooney's when I asked question,
- 36:49Speaker 1: he just you know, Ted Rooney said something like what
- 36:52Speaker 1: he goes, Oh, I don't, I don't know. I don't
- 36:54Speaker 1: want to get involved in that ridiculous Um. Okay, then
- 37:02Speaker 1: you're gonna really love this question. Who's the daddy? But
- 37:09Speaker 1: the problem isn't that. The problem is that nobody knows.
- 37:12Speaker 1: It could be anyone. I mean, we don't know. Okay,
- 37:15Speaker 1: So like here's I even talked about this. It's not Chess.
- 37:18Speaker 1: We saw him for a split second. It's not Dean.
- 37:21Speaker 1: It's got to be Logan, which just makes me mad
- 37:23Speaker 1: because I just don't like Logan. I don't. I don't
- 37:26Speaker 1: like him. I don't either. I don't either. I think
- 37:29Speaker 1: he's smug and yeah, he's too in love with himself.
- 37:36Speaker 1: He's too much of a narcissist. For I didn't love
- 37:38Speaker 1: the whole Ace catchphrase. It just bug me too. Every
- 37:41Speaker 1: time he called her race, it was so condescending. Oh god,
- 37:46Speaker 1: you're right, Oh my god. It's either that or the
- 37:51Speaker 1: costume guy. But I feel like the timeline didn't work
- 37:54Speaker 1: out right for the costume guy whatever they called him,
- 37:57Speaker 1: I don't remember, because she had one night hook up
- 38:01Speaker 1: at one night stand. Oh right, right, yeah, okay, she
- 38:05Speaker 1: didn't even find out his name, which is so not Rory.
- 38:07Speaker 1: Maybe it was just some random dude that bought her basket. Again,
- 38:10Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't seen I saw Winter. There's only
- 38:14Speaker 1: two episodes of Gilmore I ever saw. It's a pilot,
- 38:16Speaker 1: and I saw Winter at the premiere in two down
- 38:18Speaker 1: sixteen for the Ruby. I haven't seen the other ones,
- 38:20Speaker 1: so I don't know what you're talking. That's what that's
- 38:23Speaker 1: the whole basis of the podcast is. It's a rewatching
- 38:27Speaker 1: because I've never seen it. I'm doing the show fourteen
- 38:30Speaker 1: hours a, Dad, I wanna come home watching damn episodes.
- 38:34Speaker 1: So you know what's this? What's the phrase? You know,
- 38:38Speaker 1: I make the sausage, I don't want to eat it,
- 38:39Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But now I'm eating it
- 38:41Speaker 1: because it's one of years later and it tastes pretty good.
- 38:43Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, show you're binge watching right now,
- 38:50Speaker 1: we're watching Friends. Okay, he's never seen it from beginning
- 38:54Speaker 1: to end in order. Okay, alright, great show. Um, alright, guys,
- 39:00Speaker 1: it was great speaking with you. You will come on
- 39:03Speaker 1: again if you will grace us with your presence once
- 39:06Speaker 1: again from Nashville. And uh, this was a lot of fun.
- 39:10Speaker 1: This is you guys are great? Uh, great catching up. Um,
- 39:14Speaker 1: great meeting you Angela and uh and let's do this again.
- 39:18Speaker 1: I think we have a lot to talk about. There's
- 39:23Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to talk about. Huh. So be
- 39:26Speaker 1: well and thank you again for coming on and all
- 39:30Speaker 1: the best. All right, Scott, we'll see and let us
- 39:33Speaker 1: know if you get down here, right, I will absolutely well. Okay,
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