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EP31 - Man-o-pause: It's a real issue · Oh And One More Thing

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Hey, I am Rob. Welcome.
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One more thing. We are so glad you're here.
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Hey, I'm Brian. Another episode.
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And what are we going to get ourselves into this week?
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Trouble. Remember when we used to ask
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that question and it meant adventure, right?
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And now it just means what joint is going to pop first you.
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Got 1. But it's true.
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It's funny. I know.
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Right. Or when you get to a certain
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age, like 5055 sixty and you finally learn some patience.
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Mostly because we can't remember what we were mad about in the
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1st place, right? Isn't aging fun?
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No. It's not.
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It sucks. But you know, ever since we've
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been doing this podcast, I've learned more about different
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subjects than I ever planned to. It's really crazy.
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Yeah. You know, and it's funny because
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we started this just to honestly get together and hang out and
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just kind of shoot the shit and because we think we're funny,
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right? I know, quite funny to me.
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Right. But yeah, I mean, it's it's
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crazy some of the topics that and okay, let's be 100% honest
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that you've come up with. Thank you, Rob.
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Absolutely. I've honestly been fascinated by
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some of the stuff that that we mean you have uncovered.
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In the research. But it that's all, all part of
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it, you know, you try to come up with something new and look, I
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want to learn something every time we do a podcast.
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Yeah. And so all these subjects are
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things like I've thought I've wanted to learn a little bit
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about and kind of develops into some kind of conversation
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between us. Right.
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Exactly. Which is kind of.
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Cool. Yeah, Every day I become a
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little bit more like Cliff Klavan.
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And for those of you who don't know, Cliff Clavin is.
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That's the problem. Right, right.
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Great show. Cheers.
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Right. Everybody should know who Cliff
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Clavin is. That's right, yeah.
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So on that topic of learning new things, yes Sir, have you ever
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heard the thing called menopause?
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You know the the male version of female menopause.
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OK, well yes, obviously I've heard of it, but it's a complete
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conspiracy theory and it's not true.
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So yeah, you're right. I always thought it was a joke,
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but is it real? Yeah, no, it can't be.
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It's women getting back at us for years and years and years of
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PMS jokes, right? Right.
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But have you felt any changes in your body when you get older?
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Oh, absolutely. Like slower.
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Oh yeah, more tired, yes. Aches and pains creaking of the
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knees. God every day.
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Isn't that just getting older? It's just getting right.
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It's not, apparently. It's like it's.
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No. Well, apparently it's a real
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thing. OK, sort of, sort of.
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So my friend Robin gave me this idea to talk about it on the
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podcast. So thank you Robin.
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Look for your free T-shirt. We appreciate the topic.
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Absolutely. We love topics.
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Menopause, which is more accurately known as andropause
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or late onset hydrogonadism. You did not just say that.
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I know, right? No, that's that's really out
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there. That's what it's called,
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hypergonadism. That's the actual definition of
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the term. Yes.
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We're going to say andropause from now on through this thing,
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but but it refers to a gradual age-related decline in male
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hormone levels, especially testosterone.
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OK, although it's sometimes compared to female menopause,
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the two conditions are not the same, all right?
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Men do not experience an abrupt or complete shutdown of
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reproductive hormones that women do.
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Instead, testosterone levels decline slowly over time.
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OK, so is that what does that have to do with like my balding
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head I. Don't think it has anything to
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do with your hair. Hair loss is completely
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different than low T. Male pattern baldness has
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nothing to do with testosterone. Wait, wait, I didn't look that
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up. But if you'd like me to research
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that, we can have a whole podcast on and your head.
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Male batter. Bone is right.
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Thank you. So, but some symptoms of low
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testosterone are decreased muscle mass and strength.
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Check increased body fat, especially around the abdomen.
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Bubble check. Check.
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Reduced energy and fatigue. Check.
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Reduce sex drive and erectile dysfunction.
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Why would you put that on the atmosphere?
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Oh no. Right.
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Bone loss and osteoporosis? Not yet really think.
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That's that's the thing for guys.
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I guess so. OK.
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And hot flashes. And night sweats.
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Oh, that's that's no, that's not true.
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Well, come on, I believe everything on the Internet.
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Rob Well, last night I woke up at 2:00 AM 'cause I was sweating
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so. It's not true.
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It's not. True at all for you, right?
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It's not you sweat at night, no. Never, never, never, never.
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Never. I just get up at 2:00 AM to pee.
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He, I'm, I'm, I'm not at that point yet.
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I can usually make it through the night, but yeah I've been
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waking up a lot more at like 2-3 AM with weird things.
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But at least I'm waking up. Yes, is a win I'll.
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Give you that I don't want to have to wear depends.
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Yeah, right. OK.
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So how testosterone changes with age?
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So due to my extensive research, thank you, Brian.
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Yes, you're welcome, right. Here, research consistently
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shows that testosterone begins to decrease around ages 30 to
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40. I didn't realize it was that.
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Early. That's early, right?
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That's early. That's.
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What I thought too, when I when I read that, I'm like, OK,
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that's earlier than I expected. Yeah, I was thinking like 50-60,
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like our age right now. Yeah, my my young age of 60.
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That's right. Yeah.
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So that's typically at about a rate of 1% per year.
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OK. So not much, not much.
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A large observation of 20 23 study of more than 2600 men aged
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20 to 44 found an average yearly decline of approximately 0.14
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nmol slash L What the hell does that mean in total testosterone
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levels? I think we'll tell you right
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here. Tell you right here, nmol slash
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L stands for nanomoles per liter, which is unit of
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concentration used in medical tests to measure the amount of a
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specific substance in a liter. Fluid.
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OK, so that's like way over my head.
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So when when I was researching writing that and I saw those
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those matters, I'm like, what the heck does that mean?
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Yeah. So I had to look it up.
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OK. Which is like wow now.
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I'll never forget it. Right, right.
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Exactly. But I'm curious on like the
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yearly decline, like I guess what what what is a what is a
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baseline of level that it should be?
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OK, how about we further into this podcast and I'll tell you.
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Hey, that's what happens, Rob, when you don't do research.
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Or read ahead. Or read ahead.
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I read ahead as far as you know. OK, All right.
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So similarly, reviews published in Frontiers and Aging and the
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Journal of Gerontology confirm that a man's age in the 60s to
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80s, Many men have testosterone concentrations below the normal
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range of younger adults. OK, So that 60s to 80s, that's
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the. Part that I kind.
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Of so I'm just starting to decline, right, right.
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I I well, no, clearly you're not, but thank you.
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Yes, but you've, you've got a couple years.
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However, the degree of decline varies significantly among
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individuals. Ageing alone doesn't fully
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explain hormonal decline. Factors like obesity, diabetes,
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chronic illness and poor sleep all play major roles.
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Oh man, so not looking good for our older years.
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So all four of those we have. Right.
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you? OK, Brian, So what are the key
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differences between male and pause and female menopause?
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Well Rob, I'm so glad you asked. It's not like I didn't have this
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prepared already or anything. So hormone will change.
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In women, menopause results from a rapid, well defined drop in
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estrogen or progesterone, making the end of menstruation and
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fertility. For men, the decline in
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testosterone is gradual and continuous, beginning in midlife
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and progressing slowly. Some men maintain normal hormone
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levels well into their 70s and beyond, while others experience
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a faster decline depending on lifestyle and some other health
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factors. OK, so biological process.
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Menopause represents a clear biological milestone.
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Once it occurs, woman can no longer conceive naturally.
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That makes sense, right? Anthropause, by contrast, it's a
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gradual physiological transition rather than a distinct event.
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Men typically remain fertile even with a lower testosterone
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level. The sexual function and sperm
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quality may decline. Aw, that doesn't sound good.
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I guess I'm not going to have any more kids though.
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Yeah, right. The symptoms of andropause arise
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from the cumulative effect of reduced testosterone.
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It can affect physical, emotional and cognitive
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well-being, including persistent fatigue and low energy.
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Oh my gosh. My.
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Gosh, right. That sounds normal.
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Reduce the beetle and various forms of sexual dysfunction,
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including erectile difficulties. Oh crap, buddy likes bad bad.
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So the next one is loss of muscle mass and strength with
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increased body fat. OK, that brings up a question
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that actually saw this on the news a couple nights ago about
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protein. Yeah.
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You know how there's such a huge push everything has?
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Protein. Everything has protein.
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Protein. Protein drinks, protein powder,
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protein cereal protein. Everything's protein, right?
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So that does that play into the loss of muscle mass and
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strength, will do more protein offset that, I wonder?
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I wonder, I'm sure because extra protein in your body does help
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build the muscles. So maybe you're going to
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counteract a little bit of the low T, Yeah, with more protein,
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but I don't know. Yeah, because the story they
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actually did was talking more about, you know, losing weight
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and you have to supplement protein, but you don't want to
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lose the muscle mass. So you can't just just drink
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protein shakes and then hope you're going to be fine.
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You still have to exercise and do all the right things, but it
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helps with hair growth and skin condition and all that good
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stuff to you. So cool.
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No sorry sorry, total tangent. But anyway.
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All right, well. We like tangent, all right.
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All right, next one, mood swings.
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Oh, yeah, that's true. Irritability and symptoms of
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depression or anxiety. OK, so.
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That's sad. Sadly, sadly I felt those
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already. OK, so the next one is cognitive
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issues such as difficulty concentrating or memory loss.
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What? What did?
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You say? Something I have no idea what
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we're talking, we talking about. I know frequently that happens
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to me a lot. I don't know what I'm talking
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about halfway through what I'm talking about.
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OK, that's not just when your wife asks you a question.
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That's a general to everybody. No, no, it's not.
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It's the way I treat you too. Just say.
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Seems far for the course better who I'm?
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Talking to but. Alright.
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And the last one, sleep disturbances including insomnia
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or non restorative sleep. Oh gosh, this is really
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explaining why I'm feeling sort of off all the time.
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I have a lot of these symptoms. Yeah.
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OK. So you're making me a little bit
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nervous for you. Well, get older, Kate.
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You're not. Yeah.
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I'm not that much older than you.
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You're. Not but.
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OK. But it's interesting to see all
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this stuff written down here, one or the other, and you start
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thinking and checking the box like, oh, I do that.
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Oh, I do that. Oh, crap, I do that.
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Right. You know, and it's not blown out
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of proportion. You know, there's a little bit
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at a time. It's just probably why you don't
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realize it's happening. Well, it's a little bit of time.
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And each one on their own is probably like, yeah, just
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whatever it is, what it is. But then you're right.
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As you compile them and start looking at them, you're like,
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yeah. Oh crap.
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Crap. So, you know, writing this and
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just what we're talking about earlier is the fact that we're
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learning all these things. It's like, I see all this
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information now back-to-back to back-to-back.
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And I'm like, Oh my gosh, yeah, that is way more progress than I
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thought it was, you know, thinking, oh, I was just tired,
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right? Or I didn't sleep well.
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But you realize some of these things are happening with each
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other, right? And.
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Crazy. And more often than you're used
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to, right, They're increasing over time.
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Oh my gosh. Here we are, OK.
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So here's some research that I found.
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OK. In a cross a sectional study of
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men from 40 to 60 in 2009, approximately 67.5% reported
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symptoms consistent with andropause.
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So that makes sense, right? That's why I'm feeling that way,
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though only about 1/3 had clinically low T levels.
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Likewise, other studies of men from 40 to 85 in 2018 found the
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symptoms severity correlated strongly with low quality of
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life. So even when hormone levels
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remain within normal limits, these findings suggest that
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subjective symptoms may appear before biochemical changes are
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measurable. Whoo, that's a lot.
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OK. So but.
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What does that really mean? So that means like, you know,
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there are decline in some men and there's not decline in other
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men. And it's based on subjectivity.
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So whatever you might have else happening in your life.
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Maybe. Maybe so.
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I what's what's funny though, is as we're going through this and
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the more we're getting into it, I was kind of half joking, half
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serious at the beginning when I said yeah, menopause isn't real.
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Whatever, dude. Yeah, right.
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You're. Just what you're finding crap on
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the Internet and making it up. But as you're, as you're reading
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through this, I'm like, oh shit, yeah.
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I think like the word menopause was made-up, of course, because
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on a little bit of it because of menopause, right?
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But I mean, it is a real thing. Andropause.
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Yeah, but what was the other word?
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I told you I can't say it without laughing times.
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I can't even say it anymore. So alright, so we have a short
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list of age specific normal testosterone levels.
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So if you're 19 to 39. So if you're under 40, 264 to
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960 nanograms per deciliter, that's Ng slash DL OK, 40 to
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59215 to 878. So probably about what, 10%
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lower? That's a really big span.
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It's a. Big span, but yeah, it's about
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10% lower and then 60 to 79196 to 859, so another 10% lower.
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OK so I looked all over in my health records to find like what
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my testosterone level was. Couldn't find it.
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OK so I wanted to compare to this but I couldn't figure it
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out so I'm gonna have to wait till I go to the doctor and and
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get it checked. So it's probably not a typical
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thing they test. For.
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I think you have to. Ask you.
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Have to ask for that. So that's interesting though is
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like once you hit like age 50 or age 60, why would that not, if
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it's such a big deal as it seems to be as we're reading through
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it, why would that not be a? Standardized, I don't know,
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physical test maybe do blood? Work.
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I just turned 60. Maybe it is a standard coming
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up, yeah. But I think that's a great
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question to ask. Right, I'll write that down for
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my doctor. Yeah, Rob.
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Just be sure how you ask that so they called it correctly so it
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falls into your physical and not into something else that's going
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to cost you $1000. What happened, Rob?
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Well I went to go get a physical not that long ago and I asked
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him a question. I decided another topic.
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It was literally 30 seconds worth and how he coded it cost
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me $300. OK.
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Because that wasn't included as part of the.
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Physical. And it shouldn't have been coded
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that way, you're saying? Well, not.
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No. I see.
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I didn't fight it because I didn't disagree, because we had
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the conversation. It answered my question.
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Yeah. It gave clarity to what I was
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looking for. But in my mind at the time, I'm
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like, well, I'm at a physical. I'm just gonna ask you the
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question while I'm here. Right, It makes sense, right?
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Because they used to be able to answer everything.
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They answer there right? And now they have to code
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everything they talk about very specifically and it tells you
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where it does and does not fall within your insurance.
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Guidelines and you get separate. Billing.
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OK, those it's crazy. So now I self diagnose on the
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Internet which is. Always a great idea.
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It's a great idea 'cause then I save myself money my.
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God, you also like Google yourself too, don't you?
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And see, right then, you're one of those guys, aren't you?
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I have googled myself. Yes, you have.
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You should try it, it's very interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah, well, see, I have a lawn
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care company in my in with my name all over it, so if I Google
15:47
myself, I just come up this spring green.
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Yeah, yeah, I come up as an artist.
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Yeah, so that's legit. It is legit.
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And just don't come off on some nefarious website that you
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shouldn't be on. Too legit quick.
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Exactly. Go hammer.
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All right. So.
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It's kind of depressing. It's important to note that
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these are just general guidelines and individual
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testosterone levels may vary, so again, don't diagnose yourself.
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No, don't go to the Internet and figure it out.
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Right. If you have concerns about your
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testosterone levels, it is recommended to consult with a
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healthcare professional for evaluation and advice.
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Definitely don't listen to a couple guys on a podcast.
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Except we're going to the doctor, right?
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Do listen to us. There, yes.
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Yes, go to the. Doctor and get yourself tested.
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Yes. You want actual results,
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definitely talk to your doctor. So yeah.
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Yeah, so you can find where. Your levels.
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Are exactly. But this is still a little
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depressing. Why do we keep talking about
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things like this, Brian? Because why?
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Knowledge is power. Yes it is.
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Yes it is. I agree.
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We keep learning, keeps our minds sharp.
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That's right. That's right.
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And I need more of that than you do.
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But because the signs of andropods overlap with other
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health issues, proper diagnosis is crucial.
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Yes, it is. So consulted healthcare provider
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like we said. Symptoms like fatigue and low
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libido can also stem from stress, poor sleep, thyroid
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disease or diabetes. So let me ask you a question.
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OK, So if you watch any sort of sporting event, I know you're
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not a big sports, I do so you may not I love.
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Sports, Rob. No, you don't.
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There's always not many now but like 5-10 years ago.
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Like you can get away from an erectile dysfunction commercial,
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right? Well, it depends.
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Yes, you're right. Especially on sports 'cause
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that's many when guys watch and the couple sitting in the
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bathtub holding hands looking. At the sunset, I've seen that
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well, right, OK, right. But I wonder now that we're
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talking through all this and The Simpsons, like Lola Beato keeps
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coming up a lot, I wonder if that's how people have been self
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diagnosing and just, you know, going after the little blue pill
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and not actually talk to their healthcare professional.
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But what's really going on? It certainly could be.
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Like is that a stop? Gap, but it is also a symptom of
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age. Oh, absolutely.
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It is and you know, we're we are mostly me getting into.
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That age group, right? So I asked my doctor.
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That's not going to tell you the.
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Result. Well, no, I don't want to know
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that HIPAA and all that crap, but yes.
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But yeah, that, that, I don't know why they made me think of
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that, but like that, that has to be why those are doing so well.
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Probably. All right #2 get tested.
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Blood tests measuring total and free testosterone can help
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identify whether hormone levels are low.
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Tests are typically done in the morning when your testosterone
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peaks. So that's when you get the most
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energy in the morning, right? Right, exactly so #3 Assessed
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contributing factors. Lifestyle, medications and
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underlying medical conditions often influence hormone levels
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and symptoms. Can you ask a question you may
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not have researched but do you think alcohol plays a role in
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this? So none of the research that I
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found correlated to alcohol. OK, so I don't know that, but we
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do have another podcast coming up where alcohol does play
18:35
against your liver and we'll talk about that later.
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Oh, I like that. OK, nice.
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So OK, here, let's talk about some treatment options.
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Since we were all depressed about all the things that can go
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wrong just now, let's talk about treatment.
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How can we fix? It all right so #1 lifestyle
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modification so lifestyle changes are often the 1st and
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most effective first step. Regular exercise, weight
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control, balance, nutrition, and adequate sleep have all been to
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boost testosterone levels naturally.
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So, for instance, studies have demonstrated that obesity and
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metabolic syndrome significantly lower testosterone, while weight
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loss and resistance training can raise it.
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Oh. Crap, so I got to start going to
19:10
the gym. I think you start with like
19:12
walking out to mailbox like every day that.
19:13
Well, I walk to the mailbox couple times a week.
19:16
Take take the long waiting mailbox for on the block.
19:19
That might help. Yeah, but all those things like
19:21
I can do those things and I just haven't.
19:24
So. You know what?
19:25
It's bad. You know what I love to do,
19:26
which I haven't done since last spring.
19:27
What's that? Shadowbox.
19:29
Oh, you used? To do that a lot, you talked
19:30
about it earlier. My VR boxing yeah I love that
19:32
I'm it's winter now so I'm going to get back into it I love it I
19:35
have so much fun you. Sweaty ball I'm.
19:37
Sweaty little pig. OK #2 Testosterone replacement
19:40
therapy or TRT. In case your testosterone is
19:43
persistently low and symptoms are significant, testosterone
19:47
replacement therapy may be considered.
19:49
Clinical trials suggest that TRT can improve muscle mass, libido,
19:54
mood, and energy levels in men with documented testosterone
19:58
deficiency. This is very interesting.
20:02
Interesting, interesting. All the things that I would like
20:04
to increase, right? So a 14 week study in diabetic
20:07
men with low testosterone showed improved aging male symptom
20:11
scores following therapy. Now the six month study found
20:14
that testosterone levels rose from 2:40 to nearly 5, 580,
20:18
leading to enhanced sexual desire and vitality.
20:20
And if you're like me, the NGDL on there means nanograms per
20:23
deciliter. I remember that I can't remember
20:26
that I. Remember that from earlier, I'm
20:28
lying. I did not ignore it.
20:29
However, reviews emphasize that long term safety remains under
20:33
investigation, particularly regarding cardiovascular and
20:36
prostate health. TRT should always be prescribed
20:38
and monitored by a qualified health care provider.
20:41
OK, so you're saying I got it with the doctor, go to the
20:43
doctor. So that's important.
20:44
That's important. But there is a silver lining
20:47
that these these things could. Help.
20:49
It could help. Oh, absolutely.
20:50
Yeah, absolutely. So that's a good thing, right?
20:52
Yeah. It's important to note that
20:53
testosterone levels are influenced by more than just
20:57
age. Conditions like obesity,
20:59
diabetes, chronic illness, alcohol use.
21:02
There it is. There it is.
21:03
Alcohol use and certain medications, especially opioids
21:07
and oh, this is a tough one, anticonvulsants.
21:10
Oh dude, you nailed. It.
21:11
Thanks I. Worked hard at that.
21:12
Right and accelerated can accelerate hormonal decline.
21:18
A2024 review in Frontiers in Aging highlighted that lifestyle
21:23
and metabolic factors often contribute more to reduced
21:26
testosterone than chronological age itself.
21:30
OK. So interesting, right?
21:31
Yeah. So additionally, a meta analysis
21:34
published in 2021 found no consistent link between natural
21:37
testosterone levels and overall mortality or cardiovascular
21:40
deaths, suggesting that lower testosterone levels may
21:43
sometimes reflect underlying illness rather than 'cause it.
21:46
OK. Well, that's no, I don't know,
21:48
maybe that's good. That's good here.
21:50
Sounds OK. Here's my question though.
21:52
OK, is it as simple as going to the doctor and getting
21:55
prescribed a pill? Well, I don't know.
21:57
I don't, I don't know what hormone replacement therapy is,
22:01
if it's shots or what is it. I don't know, but that's for you
22:04
and your doctor to decide. I wonder if there's like there's
22:07
because not to go into too much detail about just the women in
22:11
general, my life that I know that are our age that I'm not
22:14
talking about my wife, by the way.
22:16
Very clear. I was wondering where you're
22:17
gonna. Go that, but but if you walked
22:19
on the pharmacy aisle or this the vitamin aisle at your local
22:21
target grocery store or Costco, whatever, there's a ton of
22:26
things to help with with, you know, hair loss and skin and
22:30
blah blah blah for women, all these things to estrogen pills
22:33
and blah blah blah are their testosterone type pills like
22:36
that you could start with to try.
22:37
Honestly, I've never looked so I have no idea.
22:39
I. Think there are because you can
22:40
get them on hims calm. Oh OK, so you can get some
22:43
testosterone, I don't know if it's shots or pills on that
22:47
website, but they they advertise it a lot on streaming services.
22:51
But technically you're also talking about the healthcare
22:53
professional if you're on a website such as that.
22:55
Yeah. You're talking to their health.
22:57
Exactly. Yeah.
22:58
So my, I'm more curious if it's possible for me to go pick up a
23:01
jug of testosterone pills or something like that.
23:03
I. Don't think you can.
23:04
Like, yeah, you can't get into that target.
23:05
Yeah, that I'm aware of, right. Yeah, I don't know.
23:08
Yeah, me neither. Yeah, me neither.
23:09
I have No. Idea.
23:09
I'm going there after this, so I'll let you know.
23:12
Text me when you get there, OK? Well, andropause shares some
23:17
surface similarities with menopause.
23:19
It represents A gradual and individual hormonal transition,
23:23
not a sudden event. Multiple large studies confirm
23:26
that testosterone levels in men begin to decline in midlife like
23:30
we talked about, influenced by genetics, lifestyle and health
23:33
conditions. So I didn't realize genetics
23:36
also plays into that. Fine.
23:38
Yeah, that's interesting. So it depends on kind of your
23:41
family too. Right.
23:42
If if, where that might have if you saw a decline in your father
23:46
and your grandfather, yeah, you know, you might be prone to be
23:49
having low T. Right.
23:51
Yeah, well, like, like my dad has colon cancer and that means
23:53
I get to go get the colonoscopy every five years now instead of
23:55
every 10. Right.
23:56
And you better. Do that.
23:57
Thanks, Dad. Well, my dad had prostate
24:02
cancer, so I get. Ready to get that checked out?
24:04
Yep, good times, good times. Men experiencing symptoms such
24:08
as low energy, mood changes, or sexual difficulty should seek
24:11
medical evaluation to identify the cause and explore
24:14
appropriate treatment ranging from lifestyle optimization to
24:16
hormone therapy. Ultimately, though, maintaining
24:19
the healthy lifestyle, managing chronic conditions, and seeking
24:22
professional care remain the most effective ways to manage
24:24
enterprise and promote well-being through aging.
24:27
Yes, I know we've said this a couple of Times Now, but we just
24:30
want to kind of hit home that if you feel these things, you
24:33
really got to get checked out. Yep, absolutely.
24:35
Talk to your doctor. Right.
24:36
OK, so I got to admit that was cool.
24:38
Yeah, more stuff than I've ever. Oh yeah.
24:41
I knew like nothing about any of this which you would think that
24:44
I I should or at least take the time to look into it, but.
24:47
That's what's so great about this podcast with you and me.
24:50
Yeah. It's that we're discovering new
24:52
things. And it's not only talking to my
24:54
buddy. Yeah, you know, it's talking
24:56
about things. And it is truly the Cliff Clavin
24:58
of what we're doing is we're learning something new that hey,
25:02
come to the next the next trivia podcast.
25:04
We're going to be rock stars, you know, we're going to go to
25:07
bar trivia and we're going to kill it.
25:09
Kill it, Yes. I love the fact that, I mean, a
25:12
couple episodes at the end of last year, we did like we did
25:15
one on game shows, which was fun, right?
25:17
And we had our first guest of the year, we had Kevin talking
25:19
about his back, his back. I was growing up as a
25:21
choreographer and now we're talking about something like
25:23
this. I just love that we have such a
25:25
different variety that we find in this.
25:27
It's kind of fun. Seinfeld of of podcasts, right?
25:30
It's always something different. There's no.
25:32
The only real theme we've got is the fact that, you know, our
25:35
title. One More Thing allows us to
25:37
continually talk about One More Thing.
25:39
Yeah. Which I think is the coolest
25:41
idea. I do I love.
25:42
It so we. Can really break into lots of
25:44
different topics and genres and that we haven't even tapped into
25:47
yet, right? And I'm excited.
25:48
About that. I'm super excited and.
25:50
Now it keeps me, hopefully keeps us fresh.
25:52
Yeah, and. You know what helped a ton?
25:53
What if? Everyone would please follow us
25:56
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26:03
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26:09
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26:10
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26:13
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26:15
So if you're interested, shoot us an e-mail.
26:17
Oh, and one more thing, Rob. What's that?
26:21
Low testosterone is not like a bad Wi-Fi signal.
26:24
Sometimes you've got sometimes you've got the full bar and feel
26:28
unstoppable, and other times you're buffering just trying to
26:32
get off the couch. But A at least with low T, you
26:38
can still blame everything on your hormones.
26:41
Mood swings, naps, forgetting why you walked into a room.
26:44
It's all part of the adventure. So here's to embracing the UPS,
26:48
surviving the downs, and remembering even if your
26:51
testosterone is low, your sense of humor.
26:53
You should always stay high. Absolutely agree.
26:57
Thanks everyone, see you next. Time.
26:58
All right. See everybody?
26:59
So pro tip everyone, don't ever diagnose PMS.