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The Kenny Report | 15 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me. Another
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  Speaker 2: crowded program for you tonight. Has Russia taken another Australian life?
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  Speaker 2: And can we expect Anthony albin Easy to stand up
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  Speaker 2: to Vladimir Putin?
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  Speaker 3: With a peace deal imminent in the Middle East?
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  Speaker 2: Where would Israel be if they'd listened to the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Labor government. And why won't the Prime Minister hold a
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  Speaker 2: national Cabinet meeting on Addie Semitism? His own special Envoid
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  Speaker 2: joins me live. Also, we're being misled on the energy debate.
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  Speaker 2: National Senate leader Bridget mackenzie joins me, and the Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: Rangle let's get started. The weakness and hypocrisy from Labor
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  Speaker 2: over national security and foreign policy issues is mind boggling
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  Speaker 2: and it's getting worse. Today we're confronted with reports that
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  Speaker 2: Australian foreign fighter Oscar Jenkins, captured by Russian forces when
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  Speaker 2: he was fighting for Ukraine late last year, might have
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  Speaker 2: been executed. The tragic news is yet to be confirmed,
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  Speaker 2: but the reports are credible and have led to stern
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  Speaker 2: words from our Prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: We call upon Russia to immediately confirm Oscar Jenkins's status
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  Speaker 4: if there has been any harm caused to Oscar Jenkins,
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  Speaker 4: so it's absolutely reprehensible and the Australian government will take
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  Speaker 4: the strongest action possible.
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  Speaker 2: It would be reprehensible, indeed, and we'll see what has
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  Speaker 2: happened and how Australia responds.
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  Speaker 3: But my point is this.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone with any sense of reality and with any moral
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  Speaker 2: clarity can see what Russia has been doing in Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: for more than a decade. And we all know about
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  Speaker 2: the atrocity of MH seventeen, when a Malaysian Airlines passenger
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  Speaker 2: plane was shot down by Russian backed forces over Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, killing two hundred and ninety eight people,
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  Speaker 2: including twenty seven Australians. And the thing is that Australia
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  Speaker 2: has done the bare minimum when it comes to helping
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine after the Russian invasion. And when it comes to hypocrisy, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm old enough as you are to remember the pathetic
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  Speaker 2: snipers from Labor and their sniveling mates in the mainstream
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  Speaker 2: media mocking Tony Abbott because he threatened to shirt front
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  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin over this horrendous airliner attack. Yet now the
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  Speaker 2: same Labor Party pretends it can stand up strongly against Putin. Really,
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  Speaker 2: you can't just grow a backbone overnight. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: show strength and moral clarity consistently. A Labor has fit
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  Speaker 2: clearly failed to do that. Sadly, Putin, the maniacal expansionist warmonger,
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  Speaker 2: might just laugh them off. Labour's jellybacked approach to global
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  Speaker 2: security issues is also demonstrated by the prospective ceasefire deal
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: The world is awaiting news of a deal.
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  Speaker 2: Between Israel and Hummas that's likely to see the return
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  Speaker 2: of the remaining living hostages and agreement for an international
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  Speaker 2: peacekeeping force to replace Israeli troops in Gaza. Now I've
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  Speaker 2: got some concerns about what we might see. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: as has been the case since day one, all hostages,
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  Speaker 2: living and dead, with no exceptions, must be returned. It's
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  Speaker 2: an abomination that a single hostage was taken, and Hummas
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  Speaker 2: must be forced to hand everyone back. And secondly, I
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  Speaker 2: fear that too many Hummas operatives will be left alive
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  Speaker 2: and free in Gaza. These are the most evil terrorists imaginable.
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  Speaker 2: They have been committing war crimes daily, and every Hummus
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  Speaker 2: operative or sympathizer who remains alive and free in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: will undermine peace in the future and perpetuate evil. Still,
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  Speaker 2: with those caveats, of course, news of imminent peace is wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: Israel has been fighting for its very existence. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: been doing that for more than seventy five years, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but especially in the current war. Since October seventh, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, fifteen months ago, it's now seen off countless
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  Speaker 2: attacks from Hamas, from Hesbala, the Uties, and directly from Iran,
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  Speaker 2: which has also supplied and controlled those terror groups. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing about the Albanesi labor government. Right from
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  Speaker 2: the start, they've effectively been calling for Israel to just
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  Speaker 2: turn the other cheek, to accept the slaughter of its
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  Speaker 2: people and leave Hamas and Hezbela in place. On the
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  Speaker 2: very day of the October the seventh atrocity, Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong was calling for Israel to show restraints the Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: They were still finding their twelve hundred dead, tending to
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  Speaker 2: their wounded, and looking for hundreds of hostages, and Australian
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  Speaker 2: Labor was calling for them to show restraint in retaliating
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  Speaker 2: against the Hummas murderers that set the tone, and Labor
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  Speaker 2: has been pathetic here at home, where Islamist extremists publicly
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  Speaker 2: celebrated the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, and
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  Speaker 2: the taking of innocent people as hostages, even mothers and babies.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Labor did nothing.
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  Speaker 2: To stop those celebrations on our shores or the threatening
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  Speaker 2: chants against Jews at the Opera House. But when it
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  Speaker 2: came to our diplomacy, Labor kept turning its back and
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  Speaker 2: abandoning Israel at the United Nations, so much so that
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  Speaker 2: it won praise from the Islamist terrorists. Let that sink in.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's been so weak on Israel that they've won praise
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  Speaker 2: from Hummas. Labour's pressure on Israel and a peace of
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  Speaker 2: the terrorists began within hours of the atrocities, And in
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  Speaker 2: those first few weeks, all Labor talked about was a
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  Speaker 2: ceasefire that would have left hum Us in place.
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  Speaker 5: We want humanitarian pauses as a necessary first step. We've
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  Speaker 5: said that any step on a part to ceasefire can't
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  Speaker 5: be one side did.
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  Speaker 4: We want to see the next steps towards a sustainable ceasefibe.
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  Speaker 2: And as time went on, Albanezi and Wong only got weaker,
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  Speaker 2: only got worse, throwing their lot in with other weak
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  Speaker 2: need leaders around the world.
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  Speaker 6: We showed the extent of our cooperation with the joint
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  Speaker 6: statement we made with Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau condemning hamasa's
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  Speaker 6: terror attacks on Israel's supporting urgent international efforts towards a
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  Speaker 6: sustainable ceasefire.
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  Speaker 7: We want to see a sustainable cease five and that
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  Speaker 7: we see an international humanitarian, immediate humanitarian ceasefire as a
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  Speaker 7: step towards that.
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  Speaker 3: Just consider what was going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Hamas was still holding hundreds of hostages, killing, torturing and
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  Speaker 2: raping them, still holding babies as hostages, and it was
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  Speaker 2: still killing Israeli soldiers and firing rockets into Israel and
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  Speaker 2: Australia kept calling for a cease fire that it would
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  Speaker 2: have left Humas in place, running Gaza and committed to
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  Speaker 2: eliminating Israel.
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  Speaker 4: We're clear that a sustainable ceasefire is necessary, defining a
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  Speaker 4: path towards securing lasting peace for Israelies and Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: If Israel had listened to alban Ezi and other weak leaders,
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  Speaker 2: the Hummas leadership would still be in place.
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  Speaker 7: Iran's revolutionary guards said Honeya and one of his bodyguards
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  Speaker 7: were assassinated in the capital Tehran. In a statement, Hamas
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  Speaker 7: said he was killed in a treacherous Zionist raid on
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  Speaker 7: him residence in Tehran.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, while Israel was eliminating murderous monsters, protecting its people
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  Speaker 2: and doing the world a favor, Albanizi kept up the
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  Speaker 2: same old refrain.
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  Speaker 4: It is time for all parties to agree to that
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  Speaker 4: ceasefire and those arrangements. We want to see hostilities cease.
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  Speaker 2: And again, if Jerusalem listened to Albanizi and the Australian
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  Speaker 2: labor government, it would have laid down its arms and
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  Speaker 2: this wouldn't have happened.
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  Speaker 1: This is the last stand of Israel's most wanted man.
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  Speaker 1: On the first floor of a building in Rafa and injured,
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  Speaker 1: Yahya sinwar As slumped in a chair, his face covered
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  Speaker 1: by a scarf. In a final attempt to survive, he
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  Speaker 1: throws a plank of wood at the Israeli military drone.
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  Speaker 1: It misses and he was killed moments later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, another crucial episode in Israel's defense. Then the threat
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  Speaker 2: to Israel from the North escalated as Hesbella terrorists based
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  Speaker 2: in Lebanon increased their attacks. Still, Labour thought Israel should
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  Speaker 2: stop defending itself and stop eliminating terrorists that are committed
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  Speaker 2: to eradicating their country.
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  Speaker 7: Sinwar's death is an opportunity for this war to end.
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  Speaker 3: We again call for ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: And again, if Israel had listened to these calls, it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have decimated the heavily armed threat posed by Hesbelah.
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  Speaker 1: Across Beirut, Lebanon and even parts of Syria. More pages
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  Speaker 1: exploded in the coordinated attack on Hesbola, Hospitals were put
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  Speaker 1: on high alert and there were calls for blood donations.
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  Speaker 2: This was a brilliantly effective counter attack by Israel years
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  Speaker 2: in the planning. But even with Israel under attack from
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  Speaker 2: so many foes intent on its elimination, Labor wanted the
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  Speaker 2: counter attacks by Israel to stop.
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  Speaker 4: Our government has consistently and repeatedly called for a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Labour kept calling for ceasefires and voted for them at
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  Speaker 2: the UN, taking the pressure off Hamas and off Hezbellah.
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  Speaker 3: And off the hooties and off Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Israel ignored those calls and defended itself against monstrous enemies.
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  Speaker 8: Israel said it killed the leader of Hesbalah, Hassan Israela.
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  Speaker 9: Hassan Israla, the leader of the terrorist army Rizbala, was
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  Speaker 9: killed by Israel Defense forces in a precise strike in
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  Speaker 9: Beirut last night.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a tragic fifteen months.
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  Speaker 2: Tens of thousands of people have been killed in Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: most of them we hope will Hummaus terrorists, although many
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  Speaker 2: in the media pretend they're all innocent civilians. More than
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  Speaker 2: two thousand Israelis have been killed by the terror attacks
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  Speaker 2: and in military combat. All the deaths are on Humas
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  Speaker 2: and Hezbalah and on Iran. And we expect an end
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  Speaker 2: to all this to be announced soon, just weeks after
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  Speaker 2: the President elect first said this.
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  Speaker 10: If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt
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  Speaker 10: your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I
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  Speaker 10: get into office, all hell will break out in the
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  Speaker 10: Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas,
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  Speaker 10: and it will not be good, frankly, for anyone.
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  Speaker 11: All hell will break out.
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  Speaker 2: If this deal happens, Israel will have survived through strength.
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  Speaker 2: It will have taken out most of Humas, decimated, Hezbellah,
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  Speaker 2: put the hoodies back in their box and forced Iran
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  Speaker 2: to rethink it's meddling in the region. The rockets will
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  Speaker 2: have stopped landing in Israeli towns, and we hope the
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  Speaker 2: hostages will have been returned. So it was pathetic to
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  Speaker 2: see our Prime Minister trying to associate himself with that
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  Speaker 2: outcome today.
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  Speaker 4: We have been calling for some time for hostages to
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  Speaker 4: be released. We want Hamas to have no role in
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  Speaker 4: the future of that region, and we want a ceasefire
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  Speaker 4: in the interests so of both Israelis and those in
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  Speaker 4: the occupied Palestinian territories. So we are hopeful of a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 4: That would be a good thing. I think that is
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  Speaker 4: what overwhelmingly Australians want to see, and indeed the international
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  Speaker 4: community wants to see as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really, he's been wet let us. Australia has been wet
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  Speaker 2: let us. None of the key outcomes would have happened
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  Speaker 2: if Israel had listened to the likes of Albanesi and
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  Speaker 2: Labor and their friends in the international community. If that
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  Speaker 2: had been listened to, Hamas and Hezbalah would now be
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  Speaker 2: stronger than ever and read need to attack again. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's go to these talk in the international community about
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  Speaker 2: a ceasefire being very close. The final stages of the
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  Speaker 2: deal apparently are being the goo shaded days, of course,
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  Speaker 2: before Donald Trump's second inauguration.
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  Speaker 3: He's the latest from sky News UK.
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  Speaker 1: After so many months and so many failed attempts, a
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  Speaker 1: cease firing Gaza and a deal to free the hostages
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  Speaker 1: could now be only hours away. Hostage supporters gathered outside
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem today as some of
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  Speaker 1: the families met with Ben Minette and Yahoo to be
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  Speaker 1: briefed on the latest. The deal is in three parts,
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  Speaker 1: but only the first phase of forty two days has
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  Speaker 1: been agreed.
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  Speaker 2: Let's check in again with Gerald Steinberg, who's professor of
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  Speaker 2: politics at Bar Allan University, joining us live from Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Gerald, First up, if you
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  Speaker 2: can just tell me give me a sense of the
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  Speaker 2: Israeli community now as they're hearing about this cease fire deal.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a lot of optimism or weariness.
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  Speaker 12: Both? The news coverage is very much focused. It's twenty
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  Speaker 12: four to seven on all the rumors that are coming
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  Speaker 12: in about the negotiations, all what are claimed statements by
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  Speaker 12: a Katar for instance, which can't be trusted statements by Kamas.
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  Speaker 12: The Israeli government is being relatively quiet unofficially off the record.
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  Speaker 12: They're saying there's movement, there's optimism, but there's also a
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  Speaker 12: great deal of concern. We've had four or five cease fires,
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  Speaker 12: our fake cease fires with Kama since two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 12: The first one was in January two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 12: They've all been violated. And what happened on October seventh,
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  Speaker 12: in twenty twenty three, like fifteen months ago, all the torture,
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  Speaker 12: the humiliation, the brutality, everything that we saw was a
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  Speaker 12: violation of a ceasefire that had been reached in twenty
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  Speaker 12: twenty one, just two years earlier, two and a half
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  Speaker 12: years earlier. So there's also that wariness. Kammas is still
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  Speaker 12: a lot I have this store kicking, and they've got
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  Speaker 12: support from what's called the international community.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 12: One of the things that you said in your introduction
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  Speaker 12: are a lot of things that you said in the
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  Speaker 12: introduction I think can be late to the fact that
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  Speaker 12: the Australian government, of the Labor government just follows the
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  Speaker 12: United Nations mouthpiece, and that's the extreme hostility. The United
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  Speaker 12: Nations should be completely completely reconstructed, because all they've done
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  Speaker 12: is they've joined the terrorist forces. They become their mouthpieces,
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  Speaker 12: and then we hear it echoed, whether it's within Australia,
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  Speaker 12: within Canada, within Europe, within Brussels and many other places,
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  Speaker 12: and of course across much of the media. So they've
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  Speaker 12: been bought in. All these politicians have bought in to
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  Speaker 12: the United Nations very much hostility towards Israel and support
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  Speaker 12: for terrorism. That's a serious issue that needs to be
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  Speaker 12: dealt with beyond the ceasefire in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, I couldn't agree with you more. And of course
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  Speaker 2: all of that retric is always cloaked in the aims
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  Speaker 2: of peace, but what it delivers is the extension of hostilities.
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  Speaker 3: It delivers the opposite to peace in the medium term.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, in your very very volatile political situation
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  Speaker 2: in Israel, there will be some people telling the net
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  Speaker 2: and Yahoo government that they should not cut any deal
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  Speaker 2: at all with Hummus, Others saying in order to get
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  Speaker 2: back hostages they should.
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  Speaker 3: Give Humus anything they want. So what do we expect
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  Speaker 3: is going.
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  Speaker 2: To happen here, particularly when it comes to hostages. Surely
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  Speaker 2: no deal is acceptable if it doesn't include the release
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  Speaker 2: of all hostages.
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  Speaker 12: Well, we're looking at something now, at least according to
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  Speaker 12: all the reports and rumors, which is somewhere in the middle.
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  Speaker 12: It's an awkward compromise, but release of thirty three hostages,
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  Speaker 12: some of which are just dead bodies, and then thousands
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  Speaker 12: of Palestinians will be released in the first round, and
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  Speaker 12: then there's a series of other rounds stretched over months.
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  Speaker 12: That's what we're hearing as rumors, and many Israelis are
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  Speaker 12: very upset about that. But Prime Minister N'itanya, who's basically saying, look,
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  Speaker 12: this is the best we can get. We have to
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  Speaker 12: bring those hostages back. They've been tortured, they've been raped,
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  Speaker 12: they've been mutilated for four hundred and sixty seven days.
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  Speaker 12: Now we need to bring them back, and we're going
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  Speaker 12: to have to take some risks. There is a sense
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  Speaker 12: that the Israeli military can handle those risks. We're not
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  Speaker 12: going to go back to all those Fakesiase fires of
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  Speaker 12: two thousand and nine, in twenty twenty one and all
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  Speaker 12: the ones in between. If there are any violations by Kamas,
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  Speaker 12: if there's any new tunnels being built, those will be exploded. Immediately,
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  Speaker 12: you're looking at a different Israel, a much more, a
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  Speaker 12: much sharper Israel, I would say, much angrier Israel ready
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  Speaker 12: to take military action at the slightest violation of a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 12: That's different. And of course, yeah, there'll be the condemnations
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  Speaker 12: from all the usual sources, particularly the United Nations that
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  Speaker 12: across the board. But Israel's not going to allow Kamas
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  Speaker 12: or Gizbala or Iran to violate the cease fires to
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  Speaker 12: do what they did in the past, which is to
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  Speaker 12: rebuild and be back to where we were another three,
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  Speaker 12: four or five years from now. That's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that is good news, although it's so difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I need to know what's going on in Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: and we've seen, of course in seven Lebanon under are
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  Speaker 2: you in protectorate? Hisbella had moneys to strengthen.
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  Speaker 3: Up and realm and so from that area.
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  Speaker 12: But that was everybody who's learned the lesson, and many
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  Speaker 12: of the people that were involved in that long period
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  Speaker 12: have resigned or will be resigned. They'll be forced to leave.
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  Speaker 12: And I think Prime Minister in Antonia who realizes that
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  Speaker 12: as well, that for far too many years. We allow
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  Speaker 12: the Israeli government, the Israeli military allowed Kisbala and Kamas
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  Speaker 12: to build these massive tunnel networks to fill them up
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  Speaker 12: with tens of thousands of me So when you think
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  Speaker 12: about the scale of the armaments that were in these
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  Speaker 12: hands of these terrorists, and that's something we never hear
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  Speaker 12: from our critics, whether it's in Australia, whether it's in Canada,
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  Speaker 12: whether it's in Europe, we never hear about that. We
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  Speaker 12: allowed because we believe that there was going to be deterres.
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  Speaker 12: They wouldn't use those against us because they know they'd
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  Speaker 12: be destroyed. We're not going to be back in that situation.
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  Speaker 12: They're not going to be allowed to rearm and Israel
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  Speaker 12: will be told, oh, you shouldn't be doing this, you
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  Speaker 12: shouldn't be attacking them because you haven't proven that their
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  Speaker 12: intentions are about. Israel's not going to win to prove
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  Speaker 12: their intentions are a bad anymore. This is your looking
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  Speaker 12: at an Israel in a different Middle East from now on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, guide list that'll be emphasized as well by the
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  Speaker 2: incoming US president. I would expect as well. Thanks so
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  Speaker 2: much for joining us, Gerald, I expect I appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Steinberg there, professor from bar Alan University, live from Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 2: We expect more revelations, more confirmation, and the announcement of
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  Speaker 2: this peace deal we're told could be happening anytime in the.
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  Speaker 3: Coming hours or days.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring it back to Australia now and catch up
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  Speaker 2: with Bridget mackenzie, who's the National's Senate leader.
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  Speaker 3: She joins us live from Melbourne. Good to talk to you, Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, your thoughts on this looming peace deal
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  Speaker 2: and look what I characterize as pathetic attempts of alb
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  Speaker 2: and easy to sort of associate himself with it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's just been calling for Israel to lay off its
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  Speaker 2: enemies since October twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, Chris, I thought you laid out beautifully in your
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  Speaker 11: opening segment. What has got us in our country to
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: this place We see ourselves where elbows own anti Semitism
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: envoy that you're going to be speaking to later in
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: your show, he is saying you're doing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: He's not even listening to her.
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: In terms of the spillover impact of the issues in
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: Gaza into our own community here domestically, obviously that we
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: as the Coalition have been saying, along with Israel, along
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: with America, no cease fire until all hostages are returned.
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: We need to see Hamas surrender if we're actually or destroyed,
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: if we're going to see peace in that region. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: so let's see what the outcome of these discussions will
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: be overcoming days. But obviously we do want to see peace,
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: but not peace at any price. And I think the
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: Prime Minister and Penny Wong have shown their absolute disregard
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: for our ally, Israel and the United States on the
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: floor of the when time and time again last year,
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: and what have we seen here at home. We've seen
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: synagogues fire bomb We've seen Jewish students attacked and harassed,
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: businesses boycotted anti Semitic graffiti in our suburbs and our communities.
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: These are not isolated incidents. It's now systemic, it's organized,
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: it's culturally targeted. And that is exactly why our own
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: anti Semitic envoy has actually called for there to be
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: a national cabinet on this issue, so that state governments
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: who have police forces can actually get on with prosecuting
• 21:36
  Speaker 11: and bringing these people to justice instead of all this talk.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone's sick of it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Let's follow up on this because, as you say, I'll
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: be speaking to the anti Semitism envoy Gillian a single
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: later in the program. But the point here is again
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanize's weakness and reluctance to do anything. Now, when
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Julian Lisa said there should be mandatory sentences for attacks
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: on synagogues and a national cabinet to discuss anti Semitism,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Albanezi rejects it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Then he's gone to some half heart.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Of the temp where he's got an acting premiere or
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: two on the line. Now his own envoy is saying, actually,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: there should be mandatory sentences and there should be a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: national cabinet.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: How can he ignore her?
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, you're dead right, Chris. I mean we call a
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: national camp cabinet emergency over social media. We can call
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: a national cabinet over the absolute emergency, literal emergency. We're
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: seeing terrorist attacks in our capital cities here at home domestically,
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: and we need to do something about it. We've been
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: saying for since October seventh. This tacit approval by the
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: behavior of the Anthony Alberanesi government has given to these
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: homegrown actions for domestic political purposes. In Western Sydney for
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: their own internal issues as a Labor party, and now
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: you've got the PM saying things we never have heard
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: he or his foreign minister utter, and people are not
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: going to buy it. This guy is weak and he's
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: only trying to use words to look like he's been
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: on this journey for a whole time, because if he
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: have been about strong action against Andy Semitism, there would
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: be people in jails across our country for the behavior
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: that's been undertaken in our suburbs for the last eight
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: a months.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Just very briefly, I'm not going to apologize for my
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: focus on these issues. They are important globally and so
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: important for our own social cohesion here, crucial issues. But
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm conscious of the fact that we're in an election
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: year and the number one concern of our viewers and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: voters in this country, of course, his cost of living.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: What are you doing as a coalition to get the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: focus on that, because you don't really want to be
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: talking about these other.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Issues all the time.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Surely you want to be talking about how you can
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: reduce the cost of.
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: Living, absolutely, Chris. I mean, as your viewers right now
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: are dealing with their credit card bills post Christmas and
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: trying to get kids back to school while still paying
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: those record interest rate rises on their mortgages each and
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: every month. That's what's happening out in our suburbs and
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: our regional capitals right now. So we have unequivocal on
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: addressing cost of living crisis of actually making sure we
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: deliver reliable and affordable energy to power our future, not
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: just to twenty fifty but into next century.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And where's the most suite.
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: Of plans we'll keep in the whole suite of plans
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: we've had, absolutely, Chris.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I understood.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I understood, Bridget. I appreciate it. Sorry to cut you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: off there, Senator Bridget mackenzie. I was just saying she
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: was talking about the coalition's plans for.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Cheaper and reliable energy. That's the topic we'll be talking
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: about next after this break. We're going to talk to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: an ERGI expert.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: About how are being misled on these costs and reliability aims.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: As I said, let's crack on with.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: The energy debate and particularly the way Labour keeps using
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: government authorities like the CSIRO and the Energy Market Operator
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: AEMO to justify its attacks on the nuclear option. We're
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: being fed a lot of dodgy information. Let's look at
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: what the former New South Wales Liberal energy minister now
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: head of Labour's Climate Change Authority, Matt Kean told a
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: parliamentary committee late last year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: The challenge that the energy grid is facing is that
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: the sources of generation that have underwritten it for generations
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: are coming to end of life. So that's technical end
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: of life, so AEMO, and I'm sure you can ask
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: questions to them, Senator.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: Pretty sure we can't.
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: Not here.
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: On another occasion, but a high level they've looked at
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: what the cheapest replacement cost of the existing infrastructure is.
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: There are two major fallacies in that short clip. First,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: this idea that coal generators are coming to the end
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of their lives just ignoring the fact they're actually being
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: driven out deliberately by green policies that aim to force
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: coal to close and make it uneconomical to upgrade them
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: more replace them. So it's no accident that cole's disappearing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But secondly, this idea that AEMO is just looking for
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the cheapest and most reliable power, well it's just not.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: AEMO is driven by emissions reductions imperatives. Costs and reliability
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: run second and third to the aim of cutting emissions
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and getting to net zero. Otherwise they'll just be recommending
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: more coalfied power stations. Let's bring in energy expert Aidan Morrison.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again. Aiden, what are your thoughts
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: on what Matt Kean's saying. They're trying to tell the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: whole country that all the energy market is trying to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: do is to give us the cheapest, most reliable energy.
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: Look, Matt Kean looks like he's lying to Parliament in
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: that case because the statements he's made, the representations that
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: he's made right there, and then that the market Operator's
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: ISP is trying to find the cheapest replacement for coal,
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: that is absolutely false. It is diametrically opposed. In fact,
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: what's become absolutely unequivocally clear is that the Market Operator's
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: Integrated System Plan is merely an instrument to achieve government policies.
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: It does not allow government policies to be compared to
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: any other alternative. So this idea that this baseline is
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: somehow tested and compared to other alternatives like more coal
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: and gas, is utterly false, diametrically opposed, and it's this
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: kind of abuse of the Integrated System plan in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 14: debate where it's been weaponized basically to shut down legitimate
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: questions about what the evidence says about how expensive renewables
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: might be in comparison to nuclear is why it's become
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: literally impossible to continue on and have a sophisticated argument.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: About the facts.
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: And I've gone on and taken the unprecedent and very
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: strange steps to say, until we are allowed to actually
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: have a proper debate about the facts, it is war
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: on the ISP itself because it's being used and weaponized
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: as the sword and shield of one particular narrative. And
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: it is impossible for us to critique that when we
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: have these naked appeals to authority such as the market operator.
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: So we're forced now to question, is the market operator
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: truly actingly independently here or are they simply become an
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: instrument of the government of the day and even suiting
• 28:29
  Speaker 14: their political purposes. A question that must be asked. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 14: now I've taken the unusual step of going online to
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: ask them out layout and the answers that you get
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: look like a whole bunch of people that have led
• 28:39
  Speaker 14: us to the situation. Really are in an untenable position.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Obvious that they're an instrument of the government, that they're
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: not being independent.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So let's unpack a bit of what you've got to say.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Aren't they beholden under their planning and under their scenarios
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to deliver a trajectory to net zero, to the emissions
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: reductions targets that the government has prescribed, and doesn't that
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: then affect everything else they do.
• 29:12
  Speaker 14: Look, I think what you've described there is correct, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: unfortunately the trust has been broken because that description that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: been given to us, and we've tried to critique the
• 29:18
  Speaker 14: significance and how absurd it is. We have a report
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: that has rail roaded us into assuming successive government policies
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: without any critique or comparison of them with any alternative.
• 29:29
  Speaker 14: The excuse that we've been given repeatedly, time and time
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: again is that the market operator's hands are tied, that
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: they are forced to follow the rules and regulations that
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: say they must do that they must impose every government
• 29:41
  Speaker 14: policy as a constraint, and that has been blown apart,
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: absolutely blown apart, because the market operator was actually planning
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: and proposed to the government to let the eighty two
• 29:51
  Speaker 14: percent variable renewable energy share not be bound to assume
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: that is meant in every scenario, and the government lent
• 29:58
  Speaker 14: on them and expressed a preference that no if be
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: assumed to be true in every particular circumstance. So, unfortunately
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: the trust has been broken. Now, if the question has
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: to be asked, and is always asked, don't you trust
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: the experts? Don't you trust the experts, someone has to
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: now say unfortunately, we can't. What they've told us now
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: makes it clear that we must question whether they are
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: acting in an independent, transparent and trustworthy way. And in
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: this case, I don't think that's the case. I think
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: there is legitimate claim to be made and there must
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: be some accountability where now we're forced to wrestle with
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: the false perceptions of the integrated System plan and the
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: reputation of the market operator in order to get back
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: to a civil discourse about the facts.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So rather than looking to find the best policies to
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: help the country and deliver reliable, affordable energy as well
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: as reducing emissions, they're actually just looking at the best
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: options to deliver the government's policy.
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: Look, that is exactly right, and I think it's a
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: travesty and it's an absolute absurdity that people don't understand
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: this crucial fact. And it's ridiculous and untenable that Matt
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: Keane sits in the chair of the Climate Change Authority also,
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: I mean, if he's not lying, he doesn't understand that fact.
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: Absolutely incredible. And so it is the case that now
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: the ISP is transparently simply a lens through which to
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: view government policy, and it's not just a rosy lens
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: through which to view government policy. It is incapable of
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: seeing any flaw because it has expunged any alternative, any
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: baseline with which you can compare and see what the
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: actual comparative cost might be. And we've also discovered now
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: that the gas system will not be reliable and we
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: cannot have the peaking services we assume there would be.
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: And the government has sat on and hidden a report
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: pretty much all year that shows they know that this
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: is not going to actually work out, and yet still
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: that's been basically kept out of the debate, while the
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: ISSP has gone forward and been launched in twenty twenty
• 31:50
  Speaker 14: four with all the full mantra about it being reliable
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: and low cost, none of which has turned out to
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: be true.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Such a worry, great penetrating analysis.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Aiden, thanks so much for joining us.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Aiden Morrison, there whose energy expert's really drilling into this stuff.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: You can see what the government's trying to do to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: us here, can't you. It's all about their ideological obsessions.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It's not about your affordable, reliable energy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Coming up after the break.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Why won't the Prime Minister hold a national Cabinet meeting
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: on anti Semitism? His own Special Envoy on anti Semitism
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: joins me live.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: As we discussed earlier in the week, Liberal MP Julian
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Lisa called for mandatory senators for vandalism and terrorism attacks
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: on Australian synagogues.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: He also called for a national.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Cabinet meeting to discuss anti Semitism in this country. The
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister initially gave this idea short shrift, but then
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: his Special Envoid to combat antisemitism, Gillian Siegel, we need
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to print this morning in the Australian saying that we
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: needed a Nash Cabinet meeting on anti Semitism. Have a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: look at how the Prime Minister responded to questions about
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: this today.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Well, actually spoke with Jillian Siegel, Yes, say a couple
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: of times, so we can be into a meeting yesterday
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: with myself, the Premier of Victoria, the acting Premier of
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: New South Wales, and the AFP Commissioner to coordinate activity.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: We have Operation Abelite that is in place. What I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: want is to ensure that any act of any Semitism.
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: That it stops, that it stops.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: And I want people who are responsible for these acts
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: to be prosecuted fully because they are crime and people
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: should be held to account with the full force of
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: the law.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Well, Australia's envoid to combat anti Semitism, Jillian Siegel joins
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: me now live in Sydney.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Jillian. You heard the Prime Minister there.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It sounds like he thinks he's doing all he needs
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: Are you satisfied, well, Chris, I think we're talking about
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: a big social issue here, a social problem, rather like
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: the community has over the last few years dealt with
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: sexual harassment or gender based violence. And I want to
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: see a complete change in our community. And it has
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: to start obviously with our political leaders, but it has
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: to start with leadership everywhere, through the police, through community,
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: through business, and through the Judiciary, and my thought was
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: that a national cabinet at least shows that we have
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: the political leaders are focused very much on the issue. Certainly,
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister responded very promptly and rang me immediately
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: and we had a couple of chats as he said there,
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: and I think having the premiers of New South Wales
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: and Victoria and the Federal Police Commissioner speak together urgently
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: was a really good first step. But of course these
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: crimes are not just limited to New South Wales and Victoria,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: and I do hope down the track that we can
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: treat this matter as urgently and as importantly as we
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: have with gender based violence, and they have been the
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: subject of national cabinet meetings.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: So go ahead, no, you finish, you finish.
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: I was only going to say that one of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: important features of my role is that there are similar
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: envoys envoys, as you correctly note, elsewhere in the world,
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: and we have all signed up and Australia is a
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: signatory to Global Guidelines to fight Anti Semitism, and these
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: global guidelines which were originally signed by Australia and everyone
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: else in Buenos Aires, which was that first meeting I
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: went to shortly after my appointment, specify what governments need
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: to do or what generally the community needs to do.
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: And one of the things we need to have strong condemnation.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: We need to have strong appropriate laws, We need to
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: have law enforcement, We need to have community attitudes informed
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: by education. And we need to not politicize this issue
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: of anti semitism. And I want to make sure that
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: we have leaders on both sides of Parliament standing up
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: and condemning antisemitism as we and working together to try
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: and eradicate this scourg that is affecting us.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll pick up those issues in just a moment,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: but first up, then back onto this national cabinet. You
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: are happy with the phone hook up yesterday as a
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: first step, but you still believe this issue warrants a
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: full national cabinet.
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: Well, I think.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: When Parliament resumes and everyone is back from holidays, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: think it would be good to a continue the discussion
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: and that I have certainly heard that the Prime Minister
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: and the premiers are keen to do. Was I think
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister put out a press release today.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But just quickly on that warrants a national cabinet. You're
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: not backing down from that call.
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: No, we're not backing down from that, but I do
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: think timing is going to be important, and it's going
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: to be important to have the premiers all available, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: particularly premiers from West Australia and Queensland because we are
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: seeing anti Semitic incidents there as well. It's not just
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: limited to New South Wales and Victoria.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we're going to we're going to want laws
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: matching in state jurisdictions across the country, state police forces
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: involved in all of that. Let me go back to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: what you said needs to be done to combat anti Semitism,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: strong voices, good law enforcement to good laws, because I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: want to go right back to October the eighth, twenty
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: twenty three, when many people, including myself, were absolutely dismayed
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: at public celebrations about the atrocities in Israel and then
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: just a day later, the chance of threatening Jews on
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the Opera House steps. We had far too little condemnation
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: from our political leaders. Then we had next to no
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: law enforcement response, and things have got out of hand
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: ever since.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: What needs to change on that front.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: We can't allow this sort of hatred surely to be
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: pedled on our streets.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: I absolutely agree with you, and that incident on the
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: fore court of the Opera House was a shameful incident
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: and sent shivers down every right thinking person's spine just
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: to see that and the Jewish community having been told
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: to stay away. Yeah, even further. But I think it
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: is it's like a virus. Anti Semitism spreads, It spreads
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: on misinformation, it spreads on people blaming the Jewish community
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: for other things, and we need to correct that through
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: a whole host of actions. There's no magic bullet, unfortunately.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: But strong leadership from the top is absolutely essential, absolutely,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and that's been missing.
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  Speaker 3: Would you agree that's been missing?
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 8: I think what we need to see is political leadership
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: and other leadership. It's not just our politicians. We need
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: people throughout the community to stand up. And I've actually
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: been the fortunate recipient of lots of community leaders who've
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: contacted me and said what can I do? And my
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: answer to them is, you stand up in your own
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: fora whatever that is, if it's a business launch, community event,
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: wherever it is that you are, a religious church event,
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: wherever you are, stand up and you speak out against
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: anti Semitism, because that is the only thing that will
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: really kill it. Of course it has to come from
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: the top. Of course, we have to have political leaders
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: on both sides speaking out and condemning it. But we
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: also need other leaders and even other faith leaders. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: I've also been very touched by some of them making
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: contact and sending out messages to their community saying this
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: must be condemned, that that's what we really need.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Have you been contacted by any mus leaders.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: I have seen statements by some Muslim leaders. I haven't
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: been personally contacted by them, but I've seen a number
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: of statements which are quite positive in condemning what we
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: are seeing on our streets. I think we saw quite
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: a few at the time of the Adas Synagogue.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Sorry to cut off, Jillian Siegel.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate it,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel, They're live in Sydney, the special envoy in
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: this country against anti Semitism, and we've got to get
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side of Liz Storer
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and Joe Hildebrand stepping in for the Wednesday wrangle, We're
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: going to talk about a third of aspiring Aussies failing
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: their citizenship tests.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to get into a Wednesday wrangle.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And of course I've got Sky Newsay's Lis Staura on
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the set with me, but filling in for Justin Smith
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: again wonderfully.
• 40:55
  Speaker 15: Speak, I've got the stubble and not the glasses, my bed.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's working for you, working for him, because
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I think he's hosting radio on the ABC at the moment,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: so that's where that's where he could be headed next.
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: He's allowed to do both, but just not at the
• 41:09
  Speaker 16: same time. They don't want to be associated with us.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: If anybody's listening to ABC Radio in Melbourne, let us
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: know whether Justin actually ever mentions on air that he
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: does a regular Sky News gig. High anyway, we wish
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: him all the best. I want to first start off
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: with this citizen ship test and the fact that a
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: third of people applying for citizenship in Australia failed the test,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and I wonder how many of us would pass it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Let's go Anzac Day.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: What do we remember on Anzac Day all Australians who
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: have fought and died in was the creation of an
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: independent Australian nation or the arrival of the first fleet
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: from Great Britain.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Hey, there's a pretty easy question, isn't it. I hate
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: to think that people, are.
• 41:55
  Speaker 15: You Okay, that's pretty easy.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: If it was s they'd be banning.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: What about what are the colors of the Australian Aboriginal flag? Okay,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to get that Redney, they don't ask the colors of
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the Australian flag. But there you go, which is corrected.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Australian law, men and women have equal rights. Men have
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: more rights than women. Women have more rights than men.
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: Obviously women rights again in my household, definitely.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: When did the separate colonies join together? But to become
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the Australian nation?
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: Year's day?
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: Nineteen oh one?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: You're dead wrong?
• 42:31
  Speaker 16: Do they want the day?
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: Just the year?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: It just goes? But you were going to get wrong choice? No,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I was about to say nineteen oh one. Please, it's federation.
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: But the fact that it's multiple choice makes it even
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: worse than someone failed thing for a seventy five pass
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: right here. You can get a quarter of these wrong.
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: But there's the answers.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: You just have to know which one to pick. Well,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what this one. I've just seen this one.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen all of them.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: This is a test example, but I reckon this one's tricky.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Who can deliver a welcomed country anyone that lives on
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the land, an Aboriginal or Torres Straight Island, a custodian
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of the land, a master of ceremonies at the end
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: of the event.
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: According to actual Aboriginal and Terrestraight Island the groups, the
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: answer is a. Because they're complaining that absolutely anyone can
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: do it, they're not actually going In.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Reality, it's like, you love, anyone can turn up and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: either do a welcome or acknowledgment.
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: But anyone can do any acknowledgement, but you meant to
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: welcome is meant to be a Yeah, acknowledgment is just saying, Hi,
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: I'm here, I'd like to pay me as Strangely, after
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: paying their respects to the elder's past president emerging I
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: never really do anything after that, they just sort of
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: say it. And that's what I've always had an issue
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: with the acknowledgment, because it's like, well, you say.
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: It should be longer, what do you suggest that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: I'm just I'm just saying it's kind of the as
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: someone who I suppose and Chris is the same who
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: cares a lot about addressing Indigenous disadvantage it seems to make.
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: It does not do the most that's right. It seems
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: to me the might the pit me of empty actionless
• 44:02
  Speaker 15: virtue signaling. Yeah, it's like kind of saying, oh, I
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: would like to welcome you to Sydney to the rain
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: as gagle that now?
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: So how that?
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: Just shut up and give some money to the good
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: point well made, Joe, but I'm sorry you failed your.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: That discussion anymore great that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: We still have a test though, and more to the point,
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: my question reading this today was what are you doing
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: living in my country? Because these aren't people who are
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: visiting without knowing the answer to these questions? Do you
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: think that some of them are quite disy?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I genuinely don't.
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: Pretty if I was moving to another country, I would
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: take the effort, out of respect for that country and
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: the place I want to call home and the people therein,
• 44:47
  Speaker 16: to be familiar enough to pass a multiple choice question test.
• 44:52
  Speaker 16: There's only twenty questions. We're not asking for much here,
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: and in order the ultimate price for citizenship is the
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: golden what are you doing here in the first place?
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: Also, where is capitalism? Where is the market on this?
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: Surely there should be a black market side hustle on
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: all the get you're guaranteed a plus.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Let's get it back to some grubby partisan politics and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: just have a look at this fundraiser and ALP fundraiser
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: which was based on a slur against Peter Dutton, the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Potato Knight.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: It's a bit pathetic at Albo. Apparently Joe has had to.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Pull in the troops so you can't go around off
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: personalities on the light.
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: But again for the umpteenth time, like the Victorian branch
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: of the Labor Party did the same thing where they
• 45:37
  Speaker 15: did a really funny meme about how Peter Dutton's wife
• 45:40
  Speaker 15: was you had married a monster. It's like, I mean, firstly,
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: it's just nasty and it just shows that you're a
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: pretty you know, s h a asterix to human being
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: if you think that that's funny. But it's an active
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: self harm because the backlash like it always reflects so
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: much worse on the person doing it. And Albot is
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: a genuinely decent guy, but he also would know that
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: this is a massive own goal. Every time Labor does
• 46:05
  Speaker 15: something like this, it is a massive own goal. Like
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: when the social media account did you know a picture
• 46:10
  Speaker 15: of you know Skomo shaking Donald Trump's hand. It's the
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: COVID that you keep. I guess it's gonna have to
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: shake Donald Trump's hand. Now you're numpty. So it is
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: just Kevin run So it is so it is. It
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: is mean and rude and nasty, but beyond all that,
• 46:28
  Speaker 15: it just shows how incredibly stupid these people.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Are always going to backfire. It's like the three eyed fish.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I see, that's they got an inflatable one turning up.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: How to undermine your own ancient nuclear argument is to
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: go with that notch.
• 46:40
  Speaker 16: Yeah, massive, what is it? Parli Steyren?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You know something?
• 46:42
  Speaker 16: I mean really really friendly here. But I love it
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: when labor and liberals, they've they've done distasteful things before
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: in the past, do these kind of things, because when
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: someone tells you who they are, believe them. Nobody's like
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: you've said, Joe, nobody's winning any votes off the back
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: of being so nasty. Dutton has said I have a
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: skin condition. That's why I don't have eyebrows, That's why
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: I don't have hair. And I'm reminded of the Margaret
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: Thatcher quote who said I'm always immensely cheered up when
• 47:11
  Speaker 16: someone gets a personal in their tax toward me, because
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: it means they've run out of political attacks and that's
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: all they really care about.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So if people want to.
• 47:19
  Speaker 16: Play this below the belt, it just shows them up
• 47:22
  Speaker 16: to be the losers.
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: How successful has the Peter Dutton so unpopular? No one
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: will have it is? Donald Trump? How good is that strategy?
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: Guy?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: It's working to you.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: One fascinating sidelight out of the California fires where I've
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: seen all the climate alarmists talk about climate change rather
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: than looking after the bush and whatnot. DiCaprio, what's his
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: first name? DiCaprio, Great Climate Campaigner and all. Well, apparently
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: he's been able to escape the books fire scene in
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: his private get the Great Climate Campaigner.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: He's out of there.
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: The guy who goes to the UN and lectures everybody
• 47:59
  Speaker 16: else and what it so this is and how we
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: must all act immediately. I've got no time for this
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: guy whatsoever. He's one of the many elitists who preach
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: but they certainly don't practice.
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a little bit amazing, But every like every
• 48:13
  Speaker 15: time he turns up at any event and says anything
• 48:15
  Speaker 15: about climate change, everyone always says, but you flu here
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: on a private jet and yeah, like do they does
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: the private jet not have the Internet?
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: Is he not picking up on what's being said? There's
• 48:28
  Speaker 15: no Internet in the seat of Dixon, So labor candidates
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: don't realize that they're not supposed to.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Get up big ship I think they call it. Don'te
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: anyone where you're going, that's right, No, this is just
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: my clothes rack.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: Thanks for wrangling with us. Joe's great stuff.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: We'll catch you next week where you better wrap up.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Thanks for watching again. I've got a special treat for.
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: You tomorrow night.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: When it comes to the nuclear debate.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: A former Miss America nuclear physicist.
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: He's Peter Credlin.