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TMCP Ep 26: Is Shakur Stevenson Next? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sins. Put your hands
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  Speaker 1: together for Jamison will and in this sending it five
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  Speaker 1: foot ten, weighing in at town and coming to us
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  Speaker 1: from his super secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Luis Monto.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to another edition of the Mix
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  Speaker 3: Scupy Podcast. Of course I'm one of your host, Jameson.
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  Speaker 3: As always, I'm joined by Luis Louis.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man, Jameson, I am so happy to
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  Speaker 2: be back on the mic.
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  Speaker 4: Typically, you know, we dropped episodes every other Thursday, but
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  Speaker 4: last week we recorded a special bonus show to discuss
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  Speaker 4: our reactions after the Canelo Crawford megafight.
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  Speaker 2: So go back and check that out if you missed it.
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  Speaker 4: We do talk a lot about, you know, what the
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  Speaker 4: next thing is going to be for Bud and Canelo
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  Speaker 4: and what they're gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Do going forward.
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  Speaker 4: So the episode is still very timely, even though the
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  Speaker 4: fight is now about almost two weeks away.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But for today's episode, I want to start with a
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  Speaker 4: couple of shoutouts because last Saturday night was actually a
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  Speaker 4: night of some excellent boxing that flew under the radar.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out to Overtime Boxing Jamison. Have you are you
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  Speaker 4: familiar with that platform or overtime sports in general.
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  Speaker 3: Overtime Yes, the platform, yes, not necessarily boxing, but the
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  Speaker 3: platform absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is these guys. I've been following them on Instagram
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  Speaker 4: for a while. They promote their boxing showcases live events.
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  Speaker 4: I finally got a chance to actually catch one. It's
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  Speaker 4: broadcast on his own but it's also live streamed on
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  Speaker 4: YouTube for free and ig Live. So if they showcase
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  Speaker 4: up and coming names, they actually their things. They try
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  Speaker 4: to promote more exciting fights with innovative rules, like smaller
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  Speaker 4: rings so there's less room to dance ground. They do
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  Speaker 4: KO bonuses, but the bonuses are higher in the first
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  Speaker 4: and the last rounds, so they sort of say, well,
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  Speaker 4: the fight can start strong and end strong, and there's
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  Speaker 4: actually an overtime round so if the fight is to draw,
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  Speaker 4: they just have the guys going on the round.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about a couple of fights
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  Speaker 2: that I saw, but I just want to get your
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  Speaker 2: take on these rules.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're obviously very different than what we're used to,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, is that something that you think
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  Speaker 4: is innovative for boxing and good or is it like
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  Speaker 4: you're destroying the integrity of the sport.
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  Speaker 6: So here's the thing. We have to adapt. Like sports,
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  Speaker 6: every sport adapts.
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  Speaker 3: I mean today major League Baseball put in a rule
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  Speaker 3: that you can you can challenge a ball or strike.
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  Speaker 3: Every every sport has some sort of updating, getting with
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  Speaker 3: the times, et cetera, et cetera. I don't dessarily mind it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, shortening the ring is interesting. I remember boxing,
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  Speaker 3: they had this like bear and knuckle boxing a few
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  Speaker 3: years back, where guys wore like very thin gloves. Basically
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  Speaker 3: it was like gloves are best basically cover their knuckles.
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  Speaker 3: So it was there's always been something going on. There's
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  Speaker 3: always been some sort of, you know, version of boxing
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  Speaker 3: that's coming in. I don't necessarily mind it. I like
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  Speaker 3: the kale bonuses. That's interesting, just to make fighting. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind it a lot. I think that's actually
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt the integratives ofput it that way. I think,
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  Speaker 3: if anything, it adds more intrigue to things. If anything.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I'm not a purist on a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I've ever tried a pizza
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  Speaker 4: with pineapple lot.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm not against it.
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  Speaker 4: If you had one and wanted me to have a slice,
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  Speaker 4: I would, but I wouldn't buy it. But the other things,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm cool to try different things, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and to make the sport livelier.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. I watched four fights that night.
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  Speaker 2: They were all really exciting.
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  Speaker 4: There were names I hadn't really heard of, but they
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  Speaker 4: were all and most of the fighters were like twenty
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  Speaker 4: fights are less.
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  Speaker 2: Like Twitter or less, so you know, not babies.
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  Speaker 4: But also, you know, it was most importantly it was
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  Speaker 4: in my hometown of Houston, which is awesome, and there
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  Speaker 4: were a bunch of Houston fighters there, and yeah, every
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  Speaker 4: fight very good technical boxing, but also very people were
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  Speaker 4: letting their hands go. You know, nobody was you know,
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  Speaker 4: dilly dialing. They were very aggressive but also very just
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  Speaker 4: just guilt. H There was a women's match, there was
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  Speaker 4: an official WBC title fight. Tiara Brown held on to
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  Speaker 4: her featherweight belt and yeah, you know, it's one of
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  Speaker 4: those where I'm like, I don't know why I haven't
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  Speaker 4: just gotten a chance to sit down and catch one
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  Speaker 4: of these events because they're they're always advertising on Instagram
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  Speaker 4: and you know, I think this was their sixteenth round.
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  Speaker 4: Like I said back by the Zone, the WBC World
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  Speaker 4: Boxing Council is an official partner.
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  Speaker 2: They sanctioned the new rules. They said they were cool with.
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  Speaker 4: It, you know, the ring size and the overtime round,
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  Speaker 4: so you know they're they're legit. And I was just
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  Speaker 4: very very impressed with the production quality.
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  Speaker 2: No dilly dealing between fights sponsored by a.
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  Speaker 4: Very popular national sandwich chain that I won't name unless
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  Speaker 4: they pay us, but you can tell the difference between
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  Speaker 4: overtime sponsored by them and like you know, major fight
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  Speaker 4: sponsored by DraftKings and like whatever movie's coming out.
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  Speaker 2: So but this is exactly what I think boxing means
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  Speaker 2: more of.
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  Speaker 4: Is again those guys, and we've talked about it, those
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  Speaker 4: fighters that are you know it's at ten and oh
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  Speaker 4: fifteen to oh you don't know their names, but there's people.
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  Speaker 2: To watch, you know. I want.
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  Speaker 4: What I want is people to be encouraged to tune
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  Speaker 4: into a fight, even it's random people you haven't heard of, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you might become a fan. And here's what I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to tune into the next overtime boxing event for sure.
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  Speaker 4: So this is I think what's good for the sport
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  Speaker 4: is is not everything has to be a mega fight,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 6: No, I think there should be more boxing available because
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  Speaker 6: the casual.
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  Speaker 3: People want to know people, they want to get you know,
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  Speaker 3: they want to follow along, but there's not enough events
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  Speaker 3: to follow along. Then they're not you know, you got
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  Speaker 3: to create the interest. You have to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: guys are active. And I think, especially if you don't
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  Speaker 3: have a name, you know, a name, you can't afford
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  Speaker 3: to be fighting once every eight months. It don't work
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  Speaker 3: that way, because doesn't I think if you look on
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  Speaker 3: any fighters Wikipedia and you look at their boxing by
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  Speaker 3: you look at their whole all their fights in the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: you see how active they were, and it's going for
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  Speaker 3: pretty much any boxer. You go go with Copet, look
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  Speaker 3: at all their fights go from the start to now
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  Speaker 3: or the retirement. They're so active in the beginning it's
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  Speaker 3: unreal and then you see it tape or off for
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  Speaker 3: whatever reason, and it's very fascinating.
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  Speaker 6: But when you're coming up, you have to make a
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  Speaker 6: name for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You have to fight often, you have to fight in
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  Speaker 3: random places, and that's how we know people for sure.
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  Speaker 4: That's something I kind of think is cool about. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I love Tucson, I do, but it's it's not like
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  Speaker 4: a real city.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Houston's a real city and places like that.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like you just go downtown on a
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  Speaker 4: random Saturday a legit boxing event, which is cool.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't miss living in Houston.
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  Speaker 4: I don't miss living in Texas, but stuff like that,
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  Speaker 4: it's just there needs to be more of it. I
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  Speaker 4: think we lost some of it, and there's some conversations
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  Speaker 4: we can have later about, you know, the thechine of
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  Speaker 4: boxing heaven lost over the years. But one last thing
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  Speaker 4: about that event. For the main for the main fight,
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  Speaker 4: the announcers were like, hey, we got a special guest here.
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  Speaker 4: You know great fighters, you know this guy you know?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, but like Joe from Joe's Mechanic, Like,
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  Speaker 2: who do you have here in this event? It was
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  Speaker 2: Chris Stevenson.
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  Speaker 4: Like she showed up to guests coveted. Yeah, I was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was, I was, Actually I was impressed.
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  Speaker 2: I was very cynical.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what.
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  Speaker 4: Random guy that you know his three and oh and
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  Speaker 4: one did you get? But no, she showed up and
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  Speaker 4: you know, they talked about his upcoming fight with Tyo.
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  Speaker 3: They talked a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit about you know, uh Canola versus Crawford and
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, he just seen me having a good time.
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  Speaker 3: So you know what, I'm gonna get securiously with some props.
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  Speaker 3: He really loves the sport of boxing. He really puts
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  Speaker 3: on and he really enjoys the sport. Whether you agreer
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  Speaker 3: dis agree about his fighting style or his fight born
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  Speaker 3: or not, whatever, he is a good ambassador for the
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  Speaker 3: sport because he talks boxing and he understand and level
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  Speaker 3: headedness about the sport. He's not a homer. He gives
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  Speaker 3: great analysis of what he says. It's not that says,
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  Speaker 3: oh this person best cause I said so now he
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  Speaker 3: breaks it down. And also he is a likable guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think he can if he cleaned the a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: hen be really likable. But just in general, he's a
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  Speaker 3: likable guy and that goes a long way when you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to gain new fans and make big fights.
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  Speaker 6: And I wish we had more of those types in
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  Speaker 6: our sport.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's likable, he loves boxing, he respects the history.
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  Speaker 4: But also say whatever you will about whether he's born.
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  Speaker 4: He's a skilled and talented fighter. You know, there's no question,
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  Speaker 4: like you say that, you know he'd be better if
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  Speaker 4: he were more active or wast's whatever, whatever you want
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  Speaker 4: to say. You cannot tell me that kid is not,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a very very skilled, delead fighter.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so shout out.
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  Speaker 3: To him also that also, like, here's the thing too,
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  Speaker 3: he has an even approach, which is prime why we're
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  Speaker 3: waiting on him to take the next step become that
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  Speaker 3: ultra guy that is like, you know, king of the castle,
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  Speaker 3: top of the food chain kind of guy. He has
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  Speaker 3: that kind of skill set. Now does they have that
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  Speaker 3: kind of motive? Is they have that kind of mentality?
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna find out sooner or later. But he has
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  Speaker 3: another notch or two we can go or get to,
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  Speaker 3: and I can't wait to see it if if that
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  Speaker 3: comes about.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, So shout out to him for giving Houston some
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  Speaker 4: love Overtime Boxing some love for all y'all out there
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  Speaker 4: follow Overtime Boxing. They go by OTX, follow him on
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  Speaker 4: Instagram and on YouTube. So, like I said, I'm definitely
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  Speaker 4: gonna be checking out their next event. So all right,
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  Speaker 4: another shout out goes to the late Ricky Haddon. He
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  Speaker 4: passed away the weekend of the thirteenth when the Canelo
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  Speaker 4: fight was happening.
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  Speaker 2: We mentioned it the last episode, but we didn't talk
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  Speaker 2: much about it. You know, a lot going on.
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  Speaker 4: But British boxer Hall of Famer forty five and three
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  Speaker 4: thirty two of those wins by Ko. So now you
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  Speaker 4: had mentioned I believe actually in our first episode that
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  Speaker 4: his fight against Mayweather was one of the craziest things
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  Speaker 4: you've ever seen, so just really quickly that I think
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  Speaker 4: sort of gets at the heart of what it's like
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  Speaker 4: watching boxing in mixed company. So yes, if you don't
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  Speaker 4: mind repeating the story, Jameson. So this was a two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and seven in Vegas, tell us the vibe of
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  Speaker 4: Mayweather versus happening.
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  Speaker 3: So this was before this those Stone This was those
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  Speaker 3: seven or eight. I think it may have an eight.
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  Speaker 3: When was that fight?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it's seven, but don't you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, because I want to say he fought it might
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  Speaker 6: have been owait.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a fall the fall oh seven
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  Speaker 3: because you fought Oscar sim going to mile O seven,
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  Speaker 3: So that fight was probably the fall O seven.
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  Speaker 2: Just Nocember eight, December twenty two, seven.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, yep, so uh yeah. So the Brits and all
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  Speaker 6: of UK was here.
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  Speaker 3: The whole week. They was drinking out bars, they was
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  Speaker 3: they was drinking, drinking and they rolled deep everywhere. They
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  Speaker 3: were in the local bars, they were on the strip.
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  Speaker 3: They made their presence felt. And that was when you
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  Speaker 3: could go to indy establishment and watch the fight. There
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  Speaker 3: was no ten dollar entry fee, twenty fal there was
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  Speaker 3: none of that. This was back in the day. It's
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  Speaker 3: one of the last few ones where you can literally
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  Speaker 3: watch the fight at any establishment. So with that being said,
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  Speaker 3: all the places are gonna be packed, sports books, bars,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. Well, the place I go to, which is
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  Speaker 3: a sportsbook bar at Red Rock, had people standing oliver
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  Speaker 3: and sitting down. So it was all hell breaks loose.
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  Speaker 3: So as the fight goes on and we know what
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  Speaker 3: happens in that fight, you have drunken brigs that are
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  Speaker 3: upset and the man's getting tagged, and you got us
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  Speaker 3: and others celebrating because we know what bought happened. And
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  Speaker 3: there was a bottle throne at a bartender and a
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  Speaker 3: bartendardity old hospital, and there are people arrested, and it's
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff going on. But that was like
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  Speaker 3: the wildest night I've seen watching boxing. And again that
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  Speaker 3: is the ultien mix company, cause that is for its
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  Speaker 3: first USA. That's white horses, black that your guys getting
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  Speaker 3: beat up and you pay a lot of money to
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  Speaker 3: get here. It's a lot of different things. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it's funny because you had two mixed company mega
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  Speaker 3: fights that same year, which is very fun because Floyd
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  Speaker 3: Oscar was a Ultimate Mixed Company podcast, a mixed company fight,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Very fascinating stuff. You know that fight.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know how big boxing was in the UK
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  Speaker 3: until that happened.
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  Speaker 6: I've always heard about it. I know they fought when
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  Speaker 6: we stadium and all that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know until he came over here and the
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  Speaker 3: fans invaded Vegs like they did. I never knew until that.
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  Speaker 3: And now at that point, like, oh, this is different.
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  Speaker 3: This is way different.
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  Speaker 4: So in that establishment you're in, was it like fifty
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  Speaker 4: to fifty Black fans and British fans or what would
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  Speaker 4: you say?
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  Speaker 3: Would you it was like seventy twenty brit first USA,
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  Speaker 3: it was they invaded it and it's a lot you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is on the strip, this is not on the
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  Speaker 3: state line. This was this is a local area where
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  Speaker 3: you know, residents go, and they invaded it, and it
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  Speaker 3: was it was a very interesting place. The cops got involved,
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  Speaker 3: pe would go to the hospital. Was it was nuts.
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  Speaker 6: It was I'll never forget it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it.
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  Speaker 4: Then I went back and rewatched the fight, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and also the crowd chanting. It's like a football stadium,
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  Speaker 4: you know, those British chances that we all know about.
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  Speaker 2: It was was there.
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  Speaker 4: Actually Ricky hadn't started off really strong, you know, he
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  Speaker 4: was aggressive, he landed some clean shots. Maybweather was wobbled
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  Speaker 4: in like the first round. So it's very different from
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  Speaker 4: when you see if a fight not really going your
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  Speaker 4: guys's way, and then as it goes on, you're just
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  Speaker 4: like nothing, he can't pull it off.
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  Speaker 2: He can't pull it off. But I feel like that
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  Speaker 2: the Bible was.
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  Speaker 4: Like got you, Mayweather, got you, your assis grasped. And
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  Speaker 4: then the vibe just kind of went downhill for for
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  Speaker 4: the British fans because yeah, no early on, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there are several rounds that could have gone easily to Ricky,
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  Speaker 4: even for like a casual observer.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's back from floor you used to give away a
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  Speaker 3: couple of rounds at first, just to get the information
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  Speaker 3: downloaded and whatnot, and then he from rounds four on
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  Speaker 3: he would just take over.
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  Speaker 2: So yep, yeah, that was definitely what what that fight
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  Speaker 2: was like.
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  Speaker 4: So but you know, shout out to the guy, you know,
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  Speaker 4: shout out and then shout out to his fan base.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they might have been agro assholes, but they're
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  Speaker 4: passionate about the sport. And you know that's that's the
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  Speaker 4: great thing about boxing is you get passionate about your fighter.
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  Speaker 4: And we've said before, there's nothing like it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I've never ever felt I'm rooting for this NBA team
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  Speaker 4: or this NFL team, and you know, they start losing
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  Speaker 4: that feeling of watching your guy just slowly, you know,
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  Speaker 4: lose on points.
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  Speaker 2: As the fight goes on.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's devastating and it's just man, it's a
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  Speaker 4: I've never experienced anything like it with any other sport.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, So r I p Reriggiy Haddon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, shout out to British boxing fans and
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  Speaker 4: shout out to the British for the British for drinking
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  Speaker 4: a lot I.
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  Speaker 3: Put it, Luis my guy, they make you look normal.
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  Speaker 4: I went to London a few years ago and they
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  Speaker 4: straight up said like, yeah, we just drink out on
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  Speaker 4: the street.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they'll give you to goat cups. Like I asked.
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  Speaker 4: I always asked, like, what's the vibe here? You know,
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  Speaker 4: public drinking. Some places are like, well you're not supposed to,
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  Speaker 4: but you know we kind of could it. The Brits
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  Speaker 4: were just like, man, you walk down the street just
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: drinking a bottle of whiskey, just chugging that shit. They
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: are not gonna even nobody's gonna be side.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: They do not here.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: So went to a pub that was so packed and
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: like it was so overflowed that they were just people
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: in the alley way, just groups of people hanging out
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: chatting with their drinks. And they're leaving like empty glasses
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: on the sidewalk for the bartenders to pick up. I
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: guess for the for the barbarks to come to get
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: They don't give a shit, right, Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: It's a good time. Did not spend as much time
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: in London as I would have liked. It was less
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: than a week.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to relax, so I'd spend
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: a few days in London just to kind of do
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: something different and then to spend a week in Dublin,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: which is very very chilly.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Irish also, you know, also big fans of boxing.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out to them, you know, shout out
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: to boxing being the greatest sport in the world. Every
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: country well has a boxer and every country has a
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: boxing fans. So this is why we do what we do.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Let's move on to the news. So the boxing world
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: was buzzing over the return of Manny Pacio in July.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: We said that after Manny looked great in that fight,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: after it ended in a draw, after he was ranked
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: the number one con contender in the WBC rankings, that
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: there's no way he wasn't coming back for another fight.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: And you said, our man is probably gonna be back
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: for two or three more easy, easy, Easy. There's rumors
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: that he might fight twenty nine year old Roly Romero,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: last seen defeating Ryan Garcia in a major upset earlier
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: this year. What do we think of this particular fight,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: his chances, the level of excitement, you know how.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: You feeling, was pat preparing himself and is in shape,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be I I don't think Rolly is an
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: interesting guy because is Roly. You know, ROLLI makes the
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: fight interesting. But you know, Rolly is a guy. He's
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: he's not a stop gap because that's not fa. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: he's kind of like a journeyman with some talent. That's
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: basically I find the best way to describe. At this
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: point in his career. He'll get in there, he'll make
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: the fights fun, but we know eventually nine times attention
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: probably don't lose to an opponent that's better than him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: That's just how it goes. Pak Yah on the other end,
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: is interesting because if he fight, if he can look okay,
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: he's gonna be fighting for a while. I mean, one,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: the way the economy is right now, I understand why
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: somebody is able to get millions. If you can get it,
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: I understand that that's just how it goes, how you
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: want to slice it, whether you think it's that good
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: bad or and different people won't get the bread. But secondly,
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: he's not disrespecting the sport and we could actually box.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: I don't see a problem with it. And as long
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: as he makes decent fights, he's gonna keep fighting. I
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: don't see anything to say otherwise. I think we're gonna
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: keep seeing these and I'm not necessarily opposed to it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: As long as he looks like he did last time,
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: if not better, I think it's a good thing.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I mean I said from the beginning when he was
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: coming back, and you know, sure might have rolled our
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: eyes a little bit, but I always said he's fighting
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: for a title like it is a legit fight. It's
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: not a show fake little showcase. It's not Pacchio versus
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Evander Holyfield for five rounds, you know, in a showcase
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: for for money. You know, respect to him for that,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you know, definitely maybe not the not the best competition.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Bly is, this is a talented fighter, and I think
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: he was that win against Ryan Garcia farre and Square.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: You know, he did a great job.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think there was any controversy as to that
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: that decision there. But uh, you know, Manny is you
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: you said, I won't take your words. You said he
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: would have smart Roly and I agree one hundred percent.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Manny has the ring IQ. Roly got me by Tank,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: who also has excellent ring IQ. I think that was
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: going to be the the designing factor. I think Tank
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: beat Roley, Roley beat Garcia, who has lower ring.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I Q than most people.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Both I think I think learned from his loss to
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: take right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Right and quiet Kevin, Well, you brought that one up.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: That wasn't a bad fight by ROI. Roly was actually
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: in that fight more than people want to admit. Like
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Roly didn't fight a bad fight first take. He just
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: you know, got we got we walked into one. But
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: he wasn't fighting a bad fight at all.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: No, And I'm glad he said that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: And that's something that I think we get caught up
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: in general. We're talking about this guy one decisively. You know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: we talked about Canella Crawford. We kept we kept talking
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: about Bud's win and how great he looked. And last
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: episode you said, it's not like Annello embarrassed himself. You know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: he lost, and that's okay. We kind of lose sight
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: of that. We always say, like this guy wanted we
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: just kind of, you know, right off the loser and
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: we just kind of treat him like he slept the
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: walk into the ring. But that's not the case. You know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah's Roly's talented. He just he met a guy that
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: was better than him. And that's okay.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: You know shit happens.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: The question is is he going to prepare for for
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: many his skills.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: You know, we saw him, he looked good.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: He did not look like prime Manny twenty years ago,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: but then again, nobody did two years ago. Sou But yeah,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, man, my man is gonna be his forty six,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: maybe gonna be forty seven soon. So is it Can
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: he keep up with a twenty.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Nine year old Rolye Romero? That's kind of the question.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we have an answer, but yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a good question. It's more about out
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: smarting him, because you're not going to keep up with
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: him active activity wise, that's not.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: Gonna happen, but out smarting him is probably the best bet.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Those are the things where you got to hope that
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: he outsmarts him, and that's the interesting thing about that. However,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: what I will say is this, if patia I was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: training at a good level and stays healthy, that means
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: he's serious. He's not here just for the money. He's
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: actually taking the craft seriously, and I can respect that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: If he does that role, he's in trouble. Roy's gonna
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: have to fight the best fight he's ever fought, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he has that in him at
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would have preferred a Tanker, a
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Tail Lopez, Tailpim Lopez as competition. There definitely guy who
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: have a lot more better on their feet and definitely
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: probably could you know, tie around an old man many
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: because time time is no joke, no matter what, no
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: matter how good you are.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: So a Tank Pack y'all fight does big numbers.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think it does a football stadium, but it
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: definitely sells out wherever it's at. It would do big numbers.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I think Tank would you know, he would hurt Pack y'all,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: but it would be big big, It would do big
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: numbers just based off of name and everything going on. However,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought take. I know you've seen the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: shenanigans with this fight. He's coming up with it. Don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: like guys in the boxing much longer, like a guy
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that's kind of over it. And if that's the case,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: if this is what we've seen outside this fight that's
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: coming up, he's at a hell of our career and
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: if he wants called quits, god bless him. But it
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: feels like a guy that is kind of like, I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: done with this. I would I don't since a guy
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: say I'm ready to fight in twenty six. It gives
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: me the vibes of, hey know what, I was in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: boxing for all these years, I'm not filling no more.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going o my own way. If he wants them that,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: then God bless him. But I'm getting those vibes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I said it on the show, you know, I said
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that I think Tank's gonna dip after this fight with
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: what's his name, I don't know, I'll look it up later.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So there was I said, you know, he's not. He
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: didn't lose that much. Cashet.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Sure, you know, the the fight against the lot Roach
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: kind of exposed some weaknesses, but the interest in a
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: rematch was there. The interest in rematch was only there
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: because there was no interest in the first one. The
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: man could have still thought, you know, a couple of
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: elite opponents and still made maybe not as much money,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: but you know, he wouldn't have gone home with pennies.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I do think that he's doing this as the last hurrah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And yeah, based on you know, his attitude of press conferences,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: just the way he's saying he doesn't take it seriously.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I think he said like literally asked like, when's the
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: fight again? And I thought, I don't think he was joking.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was either. I think he's here
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: for the He's here for the money. And when you
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: everyone has a price. Everyone has a price. We've seen
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: it in sports, We've seen it in everything. Everyone has
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: a price. I don't know how much he's making.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I've seen a bunch of un confirmed reports, but he's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: making anywhere more than fifty million dollars. And if he
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: has financial people around him that can make that fit
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: the last for a lifetime. I can't be mad at
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: him as a person as a boxing fantom cond disappointed,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: but that's just as a fan, as a person that's
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: someone gonna give you fifty plus or one hundred million dollars,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: then hey, do what you gotta do.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Well for my part, you know, I already said what
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: what I think of Tank Davis is that he has
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: dead to me. I said it before that if he
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: took this fight with the Paul clown like I'm out,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: my man. You know that is disrespectful to your legacy,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that's disrespectful to the sport, and so I hope you
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I I you know, enjoy, enjoy your cash and then
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: we'll see you in.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Fifteen years when you broke like Matti Peck.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is he What is his life legacy if
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: he retires after this, what is his boxing legacy?
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I think I think legacy? How about this legacy is
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: bottom heavy? Like the way you go out? People just
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: people have recent spies. They're gonna remember what they last
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: saw you, you know, They're they're gonna see him as
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: as a guy who should have lost that roach fight.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: They're gonna see him as a guy who fought an
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: unseerious fake boxer want to be boxer.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry, And I think that's what people are gonna remember,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you know. And also Tank.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: You know, he's one of the faces of the sport intea,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: but he's not a big name like Canelos, like Mayweather was.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, we are gonna remember, you know, the best the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: best of times.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: But I think I think he's gonna walk out of
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: here just kind of with his tail between his legs
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: and in the way.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Sorry, people are gonna see him as walking out.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Of the sport with his tail between his legs. My opinion, Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I think if he if he's because he said he
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: was going to retire. I think he said the beginning
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: of this year, end of less year that he was
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: retiring soon. I think if he regardless of that first
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Broach fight, you know, things happen.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to hold that that draw
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: or that should have been lost against him, if that's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: what you think. I won't. But you got to take
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that damn rematch. You know, you have to.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Show up for the rematch and you have to fight one,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: if not two more big names, you know, a tail
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: like an elite name, uh and walk out, you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: with your head held hike damn it. You know, I
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: think this is really gonna gonna just kind of hurt
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: the the image of what Tank Davis was in.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: People's eyes in my opinion. Fair enough, Yeah, I didn't
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: want it to be this way, Jamison.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: And no, it's me. Hey, we're all in the same boat, man.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: We wanted we wanted to see the thing about Boston
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that makes it so dope because we've seen a lot
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of these careers from when they were final undercard before
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: we heard them as like we heard them from somebody
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: else that they are underground and their up and comers
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and all this to see them rise.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: That's the beautiful thing about boxing. So all the great
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: fires that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We've seen over the last twenty five years, I remember
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: them coming up on undercards. I remember hearing about them.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I remember hearing about Budd Crawford. I remember hearing about
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Canel Alvarez. I remember hearing about all these guys. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: remember hearing about even It got to the point where
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: if you were on Golden Boy, if you're under that umbrella,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: we saw you on all the undercards. That's just what
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: it was. They were actually one of the smartest motion
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: compis because they had all their up and comers fight
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: on the big dog cars, and that's how we got
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: to know them. But even even back before social media
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: got big, we heard people through the paper, through word
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of mouth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And that
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: is something where it is tough because this is not
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: like that no more.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Well, and back to Canelo and his you know, he
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: lost to Beval, he lost to Terrence Crawford, both in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: very very clear fashion. But also you know, he he
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't sleepwalking.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: You know, sure, maybe some of the competition was an elite,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: but you know, he's had his cachet look good. I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: don't think that if Canelo ends up dipping after twenty
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: twenty six and his Riaz's advice that he it's going
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: to be the same thing for Tank. I mean, yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: he's gonna get clown for not taking the Bevo rematch,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and you know, get clown for not fighting Benavidez, which
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: but again, I I've always said that shouldn't have even
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: been a consideration for him because he is a little
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: guy that got beefy. I'll always go back to that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: And it's not even a matter of skill set. It's
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: a matter of you know, the kind of dude. You know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: if you're a little guy, it's always going to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: trouble fighting a big guy. David Benavidez is a big
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: guy period, So I think it's more, you know, comparing
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: that to Tank Davis. It's just the way it's, God
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: damn it. You saw the picture, like my man is
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: five five and you know, calls like they say six
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: to one.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's five eleven. But you know, it's ridiculous.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Is like people don't understand they're looking at the height
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and size and everything. If Tank hits that guy with
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: a real left hook. This whole shit is over, This
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: whole strade is over. All right, and you've boxed, you've
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: been in the ring. I've talked with enough boxers and
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: people in boxing the height and size and none of
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that shit matters. If you get hit like the way
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: he hits, if you get hit with well, you know what.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Tank has power both hands. So the left foock is
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: always good to me. I like his lefvel, but just
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: in general, if Tank gets into one of them, it's over.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: This whole shit is over.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's gonna happen because I think this
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: is the whole thing is weird. But whatever.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Sham, like I hate. Yeah, it's a sham.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: It's really a sham.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go full on and say, you know
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the fight is scripted or fixed or whatever. I'm not
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna say that. What I will say
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: is that I think if you.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Buy the ticket, ride the right, if you know you're
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: on a Jake.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Paul fight, and you know that you're gonna make somebody,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: you know what side your bread is butter duck, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're gonna you know, I don't think
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: people are it's it is a smart business decision not
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to embarrass that man on his own, you know, on
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: his territory.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It's his turf.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I see it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And you can say that like, well whatever, so legitifight
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: it's not fixed, that's fine, But there is something to
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: be said about what what we're really acting for here.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And and here's another thing that pisses me off.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: You we know that Tanke said is all about the money,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: but you know how he's made a lot of money
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: becoming an amazing elite fighter, like he put.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: In the you want to see, you can make making
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: money in boxing is what it is. Becoming a draw
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: is a totally different conversation. He's one of the rare
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: guys that became a draw in this era that is
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: very difficult to do. Now. With that being said, he's
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: only been able to sell out black cities Baltimore, Atlanta, DC,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you know, so he's his market is better in those
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: places than others. However, with all that being said, he
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: is a huge drawing. People have paid pay per view
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: prices to watch him fight. Hell the last fight, well
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: one of the fights he had. Uh it was the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Spring of twenty three. I believe we bought it. It
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: was a fight that we bought on pay per views.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: So those are the things where it's like, hey man,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: that ain't for everybody. Not everybody gets eight dollars out
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: of beat. It just don't.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: So those are things that we can He's taken for
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: granted and it's very unfortunate.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah that that uh Spring of Tony three fight was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Brian Garcia.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Actually there you go that yep, yep, yeah, yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And the only reason I bought it is I had
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: people over and we had the playoffs at the same time,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and there was a lot going on. So I just said,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: figuring out out us buy the fight, and we were
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: watching it and it was like, dang, Tank is now
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: that guy where you get people buying pay per views.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: It's very hard to do. Up until then, it was
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: really just Canelo.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Being the main eye that people readily bought pay per
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: views when he thought.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: So.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I always mentioned the neighborhood sports bar here in Tucson
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: where I go to watch fights. There's actually two locations.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: There's one in the ghetto, which I say livingly, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: one downtown, which is more of a club feel like
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: it's you know, it's it's upscale. I actually went to
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: see the Tank and Garcia fight at the Downtown One
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: for the first time. I hadn't done that, and it
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: was fact and there was actually a lot of Tank fan. Sure,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: we're in Tucson, a lot of Mexicans here, so you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: the crowd reaction for Ryan Garcia was definitely, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: higher louder, but there were a lot of.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: People cheering for Tank.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: And then the great thing about it is when Tank
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: not Ryan down, there was no booing, There was no like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know, like fuck you or any of that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Everybody was just stoked.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Like everybody was just blown away by you know what
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: just happened. People were like clapping and cheering, like banging
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the bar kind of a thing. It was just the
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: excitement of the fight took over and it wasn't like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: oh my guys down, It's just like.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, that was so so exciting.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so so that was That was a great
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: night too. That was that was a fantastic time watching
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: that fight out out in Mixed company. And yeah, there
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: was a guy with a Tech Davis T shirt and
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, they sell take Davis T shirts.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: I want one. Oh yep, cool well man.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: All right, another bit of news here that I want
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: to mention. You know, after Terrence Budd Crawford defeated Canil
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Alvarez at one hundred and sixty eight pounds, I think
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: the day after something like that, Saudi promoter Turkey Ella
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Shake wondered on Twitter if David Benavidez could still make
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: one sixty eight.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: We remember that he went up to.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: About one seventy five and was targeting the area. Benavidez
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: straight up said, now, man, I'm good, he said, led
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Bud Crawford, you know, take one sixty eight.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: That's his, that's his, that's his weight class. Now he dominates.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I want to focus on seventy five light heavyweight or
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: even cruiserweight or go higher.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: What did I say? Benavide is a big guy. That's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: probably where he's best suited. I don't know. I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: do you think this is a smart thing? I mean,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: here here's the thing.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I don't I no shout out to Turkey Ella Shake,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: because that man said, uh, during the Archer Better Biev
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: and Dimitri Bieble fight, he said, yeah, let's do Benavidez
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: with the winner of this one. Why not all hay Man,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you know, let's all get together and do this. He
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: said that into a microphone in front of a damn camera.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I heard it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: And then remember his job was making fights.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: He don't He's just trying to whatever the biggest money
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: thing that can be done.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: He's trying to do yes.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: But then after the fight, hr after the fight, he said,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: now we're good. I'm not that interested in Benavitez versus
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: p BO, like you just.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Live an issue though, did an issue? Because sir, now
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: everybody is talking to Turkey like that. There's been a
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: handful of guys that aren't really interested in doing business
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: with him forever. Reasons. They have everybody's reasons. They're different.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not one to say someone's right or wrong. That's
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that's above my pay. I think there's a few boxers
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: that have been like, you know what, I'm cool, I'm good.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: So I understand that. And everybody has their own way
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of doing things, because if you take that money, you
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: gotta do whatever they say. You can't do things in
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: your own time. You can't move up me to your
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: own drum. You gotta follow the rules. You gotta do
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: what they say, if you got to promote the fight
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: a certain ways, then shit, you gotta do that. If
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: they have you fight in Saudi Arabia, then shit, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: gotta hop on that plane and fight in Saudi Arabia.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: That's just how it is. There's no way of getting
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: around it. And not everybody is with that. Most people
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: are because the money is big, but everybody is, Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that's fair.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I'm you know, I whatever the reasons for, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: the fight happening or not happening, you know. I think
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I think Turkey Elishak was also ducking a Better Be
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: just fight for different reasons, for financial reasons whatever, looking
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: for bigger money and maybe.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: A Better Be a People trilogy. But that's either here
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: nor there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, the question is, you know, is
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: we've been talking about poor Benavide, is you know, not
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: really getting the respect he deserves. I think I think
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: he made the right choice. I think he said him
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: saying that he's not gonna go back down to fight.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But I think that's good.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I think he should stick to the plan, be the
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: bigger guy, you know, sharpen his skills against other you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: large beefy dudes.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: He wants to fight people. He wants to fight mirrors.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: He's fighting Anthony Yarde Yarda in November. So I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it's good for him, you know.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Uh, I feel like I that man, I think is
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: gonna be a star just by fear, sheer, force of will,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: because you know, he's been grinding, he's been not getting
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: a shot. The Ring magazine just put him on the
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: cover just like yesterday. You saw that on Instagram. So
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I feel like that man is just gonna just gonna
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: get in your face and say you will respect me, damnit.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And I hope that the fan base really does really
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: really does it, because he is a talented fighter who
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: just kind of has been He's been uh he's been
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: written off or not not written off, he just hasn't.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Been given the respect he deserves, I think as a fighter.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but uh, you know Pride of Pride of
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Phoenix boxing, uh, David Benavida, So you know, I'm a fan.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I remember when when we saw I went to see
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Canelo versus Williams Skull at the Neighborhood. I mentioned that
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Turkiella Chick brought him in Crawford in the ring to
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: face off.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I was stoked. Guy next to me. He says, like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: who you think is gonna win? I said, honestly, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm going back and forth.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm going.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Crawford, Man, I hate Canelo. I'm Crawford and Bud and
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Benavitez are my.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Guys I hate.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, you know, I wasn't mad
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: at that, you know, so I kind of hope that
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: no disrespect to to Canelo and his legacy, but you
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: know his he said, he's.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: On his way out.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: You know, he's not the guy anymore. I think the
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: next big name in Mexican boxing should be David Benavidez,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and I think the fans should show up for him.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I like to do for for my boy Canelo.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That's just my my take on it. So anyway, and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: just another quick note, I don't have a lot.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: To say on this right now because it is a
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: ways away, but Shaker Stevenson and Tailfei malpees Uh period
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to be fighting in January of twenty twenty six, as
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Sugar actually brought it up when he was a guest
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: commentator over the weekend in Overtime Boxing. So h yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: all I really want to say is like vitally, an exciting,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: you know, an exciting matchup between these guys at that level.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: You know, people just get.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Take a retangle. Man, you only offer the contract so
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: many times. You're going to go back and forth so
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: many times. I think it's gonna be held in the York.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: I think, I.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Think I didn't hear either way, I wouldn't known.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, okay, got it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I want to say it's gonna be New York because
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: there I know Stevenson's from New Jersey. He's out there
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: most of the time. But wherever it's at a long
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: we get it, and we get it. That's gonna be
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: another mixed company pot, another mixed company fight. Interesting fight,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: very interesting. That's basically the one that's gonna separate who's
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: who because both guys have big brands and big names,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: and you know, that's a very fun fight. So yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean tales from Brooklyn, we're from you. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: think he's from Brooklyn. So his and his.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: People, his folks come out, you know New York Puerto Ricans,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: you know, they came out, and so people from Jersey
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: coming out for Sikor.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It's not a it's not a long way to travel.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: So I think that's gonna be even if there's not
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of people that know these two guys super well,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: I think the hype is going to be as we
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: get closer, I think it's gonna get some more eyeballs
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: on it. I think just the excitement for the fight.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: This is me my prediction, you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Know, whatever, for months away or whatever where we're at,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I think that fight is going to get a lot
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of buzz.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And if you put that fight in Brooklyn or in
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the Garden, it does numbers.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: It's a huge buzz. It's in January, which is perfect.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like it a lot. I like a whole lot.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very excited about it. And you know, let's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: just hope that that's a good way to start twenty
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: twenty six when it comes to the boxing game.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: So yep, all.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Right, let's move on to our recurring segment called pop Pugilism,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: where we discuss a movie, TV show.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Or documentary about boxing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Today, we're gonna we're gonna go a little loose with it. Admittedly,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: we're talking about a movie that is not about boxing,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: but the sport features very heavily in the plot. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: It was my idea, just because I thought it'd be
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: fun to talk about it. And I have a lot
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: to say about, you know, boxing in the nineties. But
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: we were talking about Snake Eyes from nineteen ninety eight,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: directed by Brandon Palmer.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I got a DVD. I have the four K U H.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: D Jamison shows.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Some respect problems.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But then your deaf DVD? Are you kidding me?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: WI four K from Keno Larbert just released recently. So
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I actually I saw this movie when I was a kid.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't remember much about it or even if I
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: liked it or not. I remember boxing was involved, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I figured once I once I gave the Discus spin,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I was like, hey what. I also was like, well,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: it's on sale. You know, even if it's not that
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: great whatever, I support physical media. It's gonna look good.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I have a giant TV.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: You forced me to watch a Nick Kge movie. All right, man,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: it is what it is, you know, it is what
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: it is. I'm not gonna hold it against you, but nah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: it was so.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Boxing has been a part of of a lot.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Of movies, coming back to think of it, even the
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: first Oceans eleven, like you know what I mean? Like
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: so when I'm watching that's what it kind of felt like.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I gave those kind of vibes away. So, you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: that's a boxing in the ninety So we were both
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: young in the nineties obviously, but boxing in the nineties.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Was way different the vibe.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: We didn't have social media, which was probably a good
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: thing because it feels like with social media, boxing and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: everything has lost of us luster. It just doesn't feel
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the same because people are there, people were around the city,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. When all we had was newspapers
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: and local news and sports in there and whatnot, it
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: felt like a huge event because you didn't know all
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: this stuff. You didn't know anything. We didn't have access
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: to all these people who would be there. We didn't
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: have TikTok that would have all these people going to fight.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: We didn't have any of that stuff.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: So the invent was so much more because you had
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: to pay attention to it. There was no other way
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: of finding out regarding it. So, yeah, it was it
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: was interesting.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, except this movie came out an idea.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: You and I were the same age. We were both
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: born in eighty six, and back then, you know, watching
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: this movie as a kid, it didn't even like strike me.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: It didn't even phase me that this entire movie took
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: place during a boxing match in a boxing arena.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Nowadays, I'm like, that wouldn't happen.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: It's a crime thriller, an assassination occurs the night of
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: a boxing match of secretary of defense. I don't see,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: you know, a movie these days, having a talkie talk thriller,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you know, crime flitter, or any or an action movie
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: involving boxing at all these days, if there's a movie
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: around boxing, it's about a fighter.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: It really made me feel just like how everybody knew
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: about boxing, about fights, and this might be me as
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: a kid, you know, misjudging it. That's just kind of
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: how I felt, you know. I we also grew up
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: very differently from Mexican family. I can't tell you when
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I learned what the super Bowl was.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I got you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I got you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we I always knew, you know that mega
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: fights happened, you know that Hunosis and then.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Alio was fighting, like that was just a part of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: my jelhen.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Oh, but it go ahead ahead, I don't want to
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: cut you off, my bad.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: No, No, I was just gonna say that, Like, you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: this really harkened back to a time that it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Watching the movie kind.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Of made me realize just how differently my brain works
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: now with boxing, and how differently like the world sees
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: that the country sees it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Help the fight was in Atlantic City, like was the
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: last time that there was a mega fight in Atlantic City?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because back then, back
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: in the eighties and early nineties, that was a spot
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: because you know, Trump owned them hotels and he had
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of fights there.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Tyson fought there a lot, you know, all.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: People from New York and Philly and all that would
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: always drive over there, so it was a thing. However,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: those properties kind of went belly up and all the
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: fights kind of came out this way.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: And that's just how it went.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: But now it was a being in the eighties.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: For sure, There's a lot of fights out there in
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: the eighties and early nineties, but once Vegas took over,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: it is what it was, what it was.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of those things that I knew
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: but forgot when they said, you know, oh, and the
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: fight in the movie is between a black guy and
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: a Mexican guy not for nothing, you know, very much
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: a mixed company fight. And when they said you know
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: it takes place in Atlantic City, like my mind was blown.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, right, that used to be the spot,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: but it's been so long that it just it was
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: It was really it was kind of like it was
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: like stepping back into time machine.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Another thing too, that is very prominent in the movie
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: is the sport is straight up portrayed as corrupt.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You know, guys paid to take a dive. It's part
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: of the assassination plot.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: We know boxing well, you know, it's one of them,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: always been one of the most corrupt sports in the world.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: But I'm curious your take on at that time in
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the nineties, was that the kind of vibe the people
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the general public had that they see it as kind
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: of a thirty money sport or is that something that
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: kind of came later.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, No, It's always been there because there's always controversial
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: decisions that took took place, just like it does now.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: It's even the big fight that we just had, Like
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you can argue that some of the scorecards for a while,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Like that's just it's always been like that. It's never
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: gonna change for a variety of reasons. But yeah, back
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: then though, we only had a couple of media people.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So if the three people covering the fight all said
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the same thing, then that's what it was. If all
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: three people said, hey, something's not right, then we just
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: took it for that and moved on. Now you've got
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: thousands of people with articles, podcasts, newspapers, et cetera, having
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: different type of opinions about what took place, so you're
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: not also keyed in on this conspiracy. But back in
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the day, when you had a main write for your newspaper,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: maybe a main local newsperson, and then like an ESPN,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: CNN Sports or Fox Sports covering it, then yeah you're
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: gonna get You get five opinions and they're all file
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the same with them.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: That's just what it was.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, I mean again, I keep going back
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: to it, like stepping in a time machine. Yeah, just it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: It is so cool.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: You know in the movie, the Secretary of Defense is
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: at the fight, and I was like, that would make
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: sense for the nineties like that. I wouldn't have been
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: a night if I went literally got into time machine
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: and went back and they're saying like, oh, all these
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: government officials, you know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: At a major fight that would be weird at all.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: What was interesting, what made me think of was Canello
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Cruft fight was on Netflix and there was a ton
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: of celebrities there, tons of celebrities.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: But part of me was.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Also like, hey are you there because you have a
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Netflix show and you got in you know, so.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That fight was interesting. They gave a lot of credentials
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: away and that was a lot of people, a lot
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: of cleve because when you got a stadium that can
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: fit seventy thousand, you can air more fifteen hundred.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: Seats for celebs and famous people.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: It's a lot to do it in a seventy thousands
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: stadium than a twenty thousand seas stadium. So way either, so,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: anyone that had ties to not just Netflix, but eive
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you had a podcast or a movie, if you were
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: any con celebrity, they can't. They brought you out around
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Wednesday or Thursday. You kind of did their radio row
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: and then you went to the fight.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I wonder how many of those folks there actually really
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: really follow boxing or care about it. And I'm not
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: trying to get keep this sport or anything or gate
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: key fandom, not like you're not a real fan.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just generally saying, like, this is a major event,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: something cool.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: You're on TV. You know, you got probably got set
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: up by the by the promotional company.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, how much were you really really invested
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: in the fight?
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: It was more than a fight.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: It was one of the few boxing events that actually
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: became more than boxing. It is the Oh, this is
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: a regular event. This is not a boxing match. This
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: is a regular current event. So you get all the
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: type of people who are there for different reasons, not
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: necessarily boxing fans. Hell, there's people who've probably only seen
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: to Terrence Crawford fights there, you know what I mean.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I just be honest with you.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: A lot of people haven't outside of the Spence fight,
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of people who haven't seen.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Bud fight a lot of fights, not like us, Like
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I've seen Bud fight twenty to thirty fights at minimum.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where we are different
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: because we love boxing. Most people are there get their
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: picture taken to get a free room, free tickets to
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: the fight, and enjoy Vegas for a weekend.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that there's a lot of people
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to do that. For other things.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if celebrity can get into
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: like a Taylor social, let's say in Vegas or New York,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: For the whole same thing, super Bowl, same thing, Final Four,
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: same thing.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: This is how it goes like. And again, this fight
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: was different. This was not a regular boxing match, This
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: was a this was an event. This was a first
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: boxing match inellegiate stadium. This was a different event. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I can't I don't think it will happen, but I'm
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: not opposed to a rematch if they decided to do
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to happen, but what not
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: mind them running it back.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I The more time we spend away from the fight,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: the more I also think it will not happen.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I was on the record last episode saying I really
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: really wanted it, but I'm kind of just had to
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: getting myself into the mindset of well that's probably You're
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: probably enjoyed the moment for what it was, and won't we.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Won't have it again.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: But but yeah, you know, getting back to the movie
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: was super cool.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I think to see.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: The whole story take place around something that I love.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: You know, it took place around, and I'm sure it's like,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if there's a movie around,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: you know, an action movie takes place a comic con.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of people that are gonna
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, this is my life, this is what
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I love, this kind of thing. So it's always nice
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to see your your interest represented.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: And something that literally didn't have anything didn't have to
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: be at a boxing batch. You know, this story, Like
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I said, assassination plot, conspiracy, political intrigue have been anywhere.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, big boxing nights were different because also I
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: got a member. Not everybody have the funds for pay
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: per view back in the day, either spending fifty bucks
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: for a pay per V fight back in the nineties,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: that was. That was for everybody. That was not for
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: nah nah man. That was you had to have whoever
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: had the fight either had a legal cable or them
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: people have money somehow some way. It wasn't no, ay,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: let's get this. So the idea of a fight weekend
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: in Vegas was very intriguing. It was really cool because
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: all of us always heard that Vegas on the fight
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: weekend is nothing better. It's the weekend. Everything's cool. Everybody's
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: out there having fun, the fight, the apt everything. So
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: just with that being said, there's an image in your
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: head that, ay, we gotta be there, we gotta be there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: Everybody has that image. So yeah, no, no doubt, no doubt.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: All.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds you. One funny thing that happened. The
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: details don't matter, but you know, Carla Gugino.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Was supposed to drop off some secret documents to the
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Secretary of Defense and they were communicating in secret, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: she said, oh, the tickery Defense told me to just
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: bring the documents to the fight.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And I was like, so I told you to just
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: spend what six nine.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Hundred dollars six eight hundred dollars to bring the documents,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Like you can't.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Just do that?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Be me in the parking lot, Like, yeah, Carla Gugino's
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: dropped almost a thousand bucks to meet me at this fight.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: That was one of those things around like, knowing what
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: we know about boxing, I was gonna ignore that. But
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: but that's you know, I'm sure there's a lot of
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of movies that are about baseball, that are
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: about football that real you know, big fans that know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: they just know, they're just kind of totally ridiculous and unrealistic.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, I mean, you know, we're not really
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: talking much about the movie itself, but whatever, you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: it's I think, like I said, it'd make a fun
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: conversation about boxing in its heyday and you know a
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: time that it's never going to be like that again.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: And I hate, I hate to be the old man
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: of you know, back in my day. They don't make
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: them like they used to. But literally, literally the sport
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: is not like.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: It was in so many ways went from when we
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: were kids.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: They can get there, though they can, I don't know
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: if it will, it can get there. The reason why
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I say that is we have a lot of boxers,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of actual boxers, but we got
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: to get to knowing who they are. We have to
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: actually market them, and they gotta fight way more than
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: they have been over the.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: Last ten fifteen years.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: We can get back. Then.
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: We have a lot of fighters that are popular and famous.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: But you can't fight once every thirteen months, talking about
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: oh I want ten million dollars for no, no, no, we.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Can't fight once every thirteen months and need more access. Again,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: We're still still sitting here twiddling our damn thumbs figure
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: out where.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Top rank is going to be. You know, now, yeah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: in a way fight that they had a couple of
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: weekends go. You know that one was in the middle
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: of the night because it was in Tokyo. So I've
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: caught up on it on YouTube anyway, which is fine,
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Like that's the fight that I wouldn't have been able
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: to watch unless I stayed up till three thirty.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: In the morning, four in the morning, whatever. But what
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: about the Saturday night fights? Are that going to be
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: live on YouTube?
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: We need Saturday night fights, we need Honestly, I've been
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: harping this for a long time. And this is from
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: somebody used to work in box that told me he
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: was like, every summer that goes by, where they don't
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: flood the TV with boxing because they wasted summer. He
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: was like, summer is the downtime of all sports. There's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of TV windows open. They should be flooding
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: every weekend with boxing. UFC does it. UFC has so
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: many events over the summer. And I'm not a UFC guy.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I don't hate it. It's just not for me like that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: But I appreciate what they do, Like they put their
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: bodys on along. They do what they do, they get it. Boxing,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, still have a hard time understanding what
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: makes sense until that out.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: We're gonna keep all stuff on our TOBE.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Sure, well, at least we'll have movies like Snake Gyes
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: that will bring you know, that that nostalgia back. And
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: you know, we're talking about the commentators that were that
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: they had back then. One of them is the amazing
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Al Bernstein, who was a guest on our show a
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: couple of episodes back.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so could check out episode twenty four to listen
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to that and amazing interview.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: We were also discussing the Canilla Crawford, but he talked
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: a lot about the state of boxing today in the
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: future of it, so that one is.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Also very timely.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Awesome guy, awesome interview, A just a legend, so we
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: were lucky to have him. Yeah, you know, Snake Guys
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: directed by Briandon to Palmer, one of the greats. If
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: somebody wants to call him the goat, you know, I
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: might not argue. There's a lot of great movies.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Well, how would you rate this film out of four gloves? Jamison?
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: It was like a two point seven five.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: No, I was, I was thinking two point five, but
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: you know, just so I don't have to just the
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: graphics on the scores, I'm gonna go two points of
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: five as well. No, it was fun. I you know what,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: I guess said. I didn't remember a lot about it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I don't remember if I liked it or not. I
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: feel like I I appreciated more than.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I did as a kid for a lot of reasons.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Definitely, it's it's one of those flicks that, like, I
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: think it. It's not Brian DePalma's best by any means,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: but it holds up, holds the test of time. If
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: it's on sale from Keno Larber Classics, you could pick
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: up the four K or the Blu Ray. I'm a
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: physical media guy, so if you watch us on YouTube,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: you'll see the beautiful artwork on this right.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, shout out to uh to Brian de Palma,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: one of the great. So everybody, thanks for listening.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Jamison.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Where can people find you on social media?
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: On Twitter? Atterew Jamison. Yeah, be on there for next
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Fight Night in October, I think, and then we will
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: go from there.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely October.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Boots is coming back in October and David Benavidez in November,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: so you know, pretty pretty good year for boxing.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Latter half.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I think I think it's picking up after the summer,
• 55:04
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