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Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, November 30 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday. No, this is Jet Laws Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy I was presented by Jet Home Loans and
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  Speaker 1: now a guy who recently tested positive for pecan pie.
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  Speaker 1: J That's a great open, a great one. Welcome in
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Our presented by Jet Home Loans. My name's J. P. Shadrick.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a busy program today. Glad you're along with
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  Speaker 1: us on this Monday after week twelve. This was coming
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  Speaker 1: up on the show today. Pete Briscoe and Tony Vasselli
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  Speaker 1: are standing by to get into the aftermath of the
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  Speaker 1: Browns Jaguars game. Yes, we will touch on the game
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  Speaker 1: a little later in the show. The biggest news though,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Dave called Well fired as the general manager
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  Speaker 1: after yesterday's game. Jaguars owner Shot con said that Doug
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  Speaker 1: Marona and the staff are safe through the twenty twenty season.
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  Speaker 1: So what's next. We'll get into all that. We'll go
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  Speaker 1: around the a f C South, because we must, they're
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  Speaker 1: not so powerful. Draft order is coming up, and the
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  Speaker 1: Jags are pretty high up, of course, and we'll go
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  Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Jaguars to the Browns, the
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  Speaker 1: tenth consecutive loss. But in the aftermath, shotgun fired. Dave
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  Speaker 1: called Well, releasing a statement about five thirty saying that
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  Speaker 1: he had met with Caldwell to express his appreciation for
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  Speaker 1: his service to the Jaguars. He was committed and determined
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  Speaker 1: to bringing a winner to Jacksonville, but the efforts were
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  Speaker 1: not rewarded with results, and the football operation needs new leadership,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll have it with a new general manager. In
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  Speaker 1: one it ends a run for Caldwell that started in
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  Speaker 1: under his leadership is the GM. The Jaguars had a
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven and eighty six record overall in the regular season.
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  Speaker 1: At least they had one playoff run. Of course, in
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  Speaker 1: nine first round draft picks, but four are currently with
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  Speaker 1: the team. Davin Brian, Josh Allen, C. J. Henderson and
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  Speaker 1: calebon Chason are the ones left over the last three drafts.
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  Speaker 1: He had some hits in deeper parts of the draft,
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  Speaker 1: but not enough hits at the very top of the draft,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly the results on the field speak for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Frisco Tony Boselli joining us now. Good afternoon, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 1: First off, Pete, what do you think about the move?
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  Speaker 1: After the game yesterday? Shaw didn't fire Belly. What did
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  Speaker 1: you say I said Shaw didn't fire Baselly. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean if he said fire me, he's fired you too.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we a package deal? I will someone think
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  Speaker 1: so Tony before we get into all this about the
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  Speaker 1: firing and everything, I want to say. JP is sending
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  Speaker 1: out tweets the other day about I guess we were
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  Speaker 1: nominated that Jaguars a Happy Hour was nominated as one
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  Speaker 1: the best radio shows in town by what folio is
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  Speaker 1: weekly best of Jack's Okay, and then it says best
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  Speaker 1: radio host nomination. You know who? You know who's nominated?
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  Speaker 1: Tony J. P. Shadrick. I think he and his family
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  Speaker 1: stuffed the ballot box these elections. Well, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's any doubt that this is the best show because
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  Speaker 1: you and I are one. So let's be clear about that.
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  Speaker 1: I will say I think the show might be an anchor.
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  Speaker 1: The show was nominated because of the segment that Tony
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  Speaker 1: missed the last week when we talked about James Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: Pete and I. That fifteen minute window I think got
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  Speaker 1: us the domination. No, JP, you're glossing over everything. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't say Tony was nominated. Didn't say me it is?
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  Speaker 1: It said you in an individual part of the nomination.
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  Speaker 1: You I think you got the family and your friends
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  Speaker 1: the stuff the ballot box. I don't have that many friends,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, and second my family's tiny. That would
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  Speaker 1: not work. So no, but Jaguar is happy. Elections thumbs up.
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  Speaker 1: We need to recount the vote early and vote vote
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  Speaker 1: early in Austin early and Austen vote on at folio weekly.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Dave called, well gone after
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  Speaker 1: the game, guys, And how about the timing of this pete?
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  Speaker 1: Is it too late? Is it too early? Is it
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  Speaker 1: on time? Is there ever a right time? Well, you
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  Speaker 1: can understand why they did it. Now you look around
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  Speaker 1: the league. The Lions just did it, blew out the
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  Speaker 1: GM and coach. The Texans have already done it. They're
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  Speaker 1: looking for a general manager UM and a coach. And
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  Speaker 1: the Falcon Falcons right, So now you're you're in a
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  Speaker 1: race that's trying to identify the best guy to fill
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  Speaker 1: that position who will then hire his coach. And Doug
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  Speaker 1: Morone is staying. And I think in my mind, part
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  Speaker 1: of the reason he's staying is when they fired Gus Bradley,
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  Speaker 1: Doug Morone came on as the interim coach, and he
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  Speaker 1: beat the Titans, I think, and played close against the
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  Speaker 1: Colts and they had some life and then they decided
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  Speaker 1: to keep them. Well, this gives them no option of
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  Speaker 1: keeping anybody. You can't make Jay Gruden or somebody the
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  Speaker 1: interim coach and he can win a couple of games,
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  Speaker 1: a ruined the draft pick and give himself some credibility.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're just gonna start from scrap. Now, I think
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  Speaker 1: you go and everybody goes after the season. You start
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  Speaker 1: from the bottom and retool the whole thing. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: think what Pete is the first part is dead on,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean you have four open things. Forget
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  Speaker 1: about the coach for a second. I think we can
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  Speaker 1: get in this later. I think you're gonna have as
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  Speaker 1: many as eight openings for head coaches this year. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a bunch of them coming um, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's a race to get there. But before you can
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  Speaker 1: even enter that race, you have de stability at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the house on the football side, who your
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  Speaker 1: GM is and who's gonna be running and leading the
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  Speaker 1: football side of the business. And I think the Lions
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  Speaker 1: doing that and even put more urgency because now you
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  Speaker 1: have four open the GM spots that you're gonna competing for,
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  Speaker 1: and I think in a perfect world you'd like that
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  Speaker 1: GM in place right after the season is over so
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  Speaker 1: you can enter into the uh the coaching carousel or
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  Speaker 1: the coaching race to get your next guy. So I
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  Speaker 1: thought the timing was right. You never like it. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about people's livelihoods, and Dave Coldwell has been around
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  Speaker 1: this organization. We all know him, we have relationships with them,
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  Speaker 1: and so you never like it, but Dave knows. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a very I mean, analytics have taken over
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  Speaker 1: this all sports, and and some people like it, some
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  Speaker 1: people don't. But you know what, you know what the
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  Speaker 1: most most analytical thing you can measure is wins and
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  Speaker 1: losses and that's the only metor at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day that matters m no and so UH. And
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  Speaker 1: when you're on the wrong side of the ledger and
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  Speaker 1: that UH in that UH, when you to measure that
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  Speaker 1: or that metric, you're gonna end up getting fired. And
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  Speaker 1: that that's what happened. So I think timing wise, I
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  Speaker 1: understand it. You're now and for the race to fill
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  Speaker 1: that void and finding the right guy to lead the
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  Speaker 1: football side of the Jacksonville Jaguar. I think the hundred
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  Speaker 1: losses and how that became an issue last week kind
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  Speaker 1: of spurred on the kan family to do something. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's smart to do it, but I think that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of impetus to get it going Tony, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I think from a PR standpoint, that's a terrible Look,
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  Speaker 1: what are they that? What was it? JP second quickest
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  Speaker 1: the hundred losses and any owner in the NFL, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he's the first one who didn't take over
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  Speaker 1: an expansion team to get that fat. It wasn't the last.
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  Speaker 1: The one who has the quickest was culver House. Culver
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  Speaker 1: House the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right, So when you look
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  Speaker 1: at that from that standpoint, it's it really was one
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  Speaker 1: of those situations where I think they reevaluated and said, look,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta start doing something to turn to PR around
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  Speaker 1: and and nobody plays PR campaigns, but when you're the
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  Speaker 1: owner of the team and you're that guy, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: start doing something. So it was the right. Look, it
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  Speaker 1: was the right thing to do in terms of the timing.
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  Speaker 1: Why wait until the end of the year, because you
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  Speaker 1: knew they were going to do it at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year. So there you have it. Dave Caldwell out.
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  Speaker 1: That means Director of Player Personnel Trent Balky is the
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  Speaker 1: interim GM. He's got to get him through the season
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  Speaker 1: with transactions and everything going on. And he was the
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  Speaker 1: former forty Niners general manager from eleven through sixteen. He
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  Speaker 1: hired Jim Harbaugh out there, got him away from Stanford
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  Speaker 1: and then the changes there. It got to the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and then things changed. Tom Slow was there
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Chip Kelly was there,
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  Speaker 1: and then everybody was gone after the Chip Kelly run
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. He started his career as a scout.
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  Speaker 1: He's been here since January as the player personnel director
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  Speaker 1: for the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's what's going to happen for
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  Speaker 1: the next month, at least in the interim role as
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  Speaker 1: general manager. Now, what about the coaching staff? You ask
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  Speaker 1: head coach Doug Marone, and the staff are safe through
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  Speaker 1: the season, according to shot On and Doug Barrone. Today
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  Speaker 1: discussed everything that's happened since last night. You know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Dave and I had a good relationship, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: I you know, it's not like you know, we haven't
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  Speaker 1: been through this before meeting you know, people that have
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  Speaker 1: been in the league. You know, Um, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: obviously unfortunate, but um, you know, it is part of
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  Speaker 1: the profession and we wish you know, you Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I spoke to Dave and you know, I wish him
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  Speaker 1: and his family the best of luck. We had a
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  Speaker 1: good relationship us. You know, it's it's very difficult, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, my focus right now is not on all
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  Speaker 1: the things that maybe going on on the outside, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to get the team to win football
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  Speaker 1: games and be there for the coaches and the players.
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  Speaker 1: Doug Brown added today, guys that obviously, as he just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned at the end, there, they're gonna go out and
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  Speaker 1: try to win games. Still, that's what he can do.
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  Speaker 1: What are the chances that he survives is here? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I mean zero, I'd be shocked. I mean JP,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to just start a new and whether you
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  Speaker 1: want to blame Dave or Doug or whatever, the proof
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  Speaker 1: is in the pudding. It's time to start over. It's
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  Speaker 1: time to rebuild the thing. It's time to bring somebody
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  Speaker 1: in who brings their own coach in. Look, you can
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  Speaker 1: pretty much guess that guys are jockeying already. I imagine
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  Speaker 1: Trent balkis making a prediction. You know, he's making a
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  Speaker 1: pitch to be the new GM. And then in that case,
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  Speaker 1: oh well, you know I'd go out and get this guy,
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  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna keep Doug. But I think they all
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  Speaker 1: have to go, all of them, just bringing new guys,
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  Speaker 1: bringing some new blood, change the culture, turn it over.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, here's one higher, Tony BASSELLI to be
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  Speaker 1: your general manager? Would you take a job? You're the best? Um,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree hundred percent with what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying is a whole new culture because if you
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  Speaker 1: look at it, and you said something earlier about Shod
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  Speaker 1: having a hundred now a hundred one losses since he's
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  Speaker 1: become an owner, and really nothing has changed if you
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  Speaker 1: look at it since the day he hired it and
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  Speaker 1: he brought in Dave coldwoll in that whole crew, outside
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  Speaker 1: of we changed that coaches once Tom Coughlin showed up
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  Speaker 1: and got fired. Um, outside of that, it's been the
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  Speaker 1: same scouts, the same people, the same GM. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's really been um very few changes. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's time to your point. And it's not my job
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  Speaker 1: to fire uh Doug Moro own called. Well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: your job either, people. But if you look at it,
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  Speaker 1: at some point you have to say, we need to
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  Speaker 1: change the culture, we need to change the attitude, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is. And sometimes it's not fair and sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: just have to clean this late and start fresh and
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  Speaker 1: so that there's a single um, you know, north Star,
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  Speaker 1: if this is where we're going, this is who we are. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how you've done in the past or
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  Speaker 1: what has done you know, good, bad or different. This
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  Speaker 1: is how This is the new protocols, and this is
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  Speaker 1: who we are as an organization, and this is how
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  Speaker 1: things are gonna be done on the football side of
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  Speaker 1: the team. And you need new leadership, uh, new voice
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  Speaker 1: on that side of the building. I think is critical.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that because I think Doug's a
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  Speaker 1: bad coach by any means. I've said all year. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's done an outstanding job with this young team.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things and that people listening here like,
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  Speaker 1: are you an idiot? What do you mean? He is
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  Speaker 1: an outstanding job. They have ten losses in a row.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a talented team. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's a talented roster. I think it's a young roster
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  Speaker 1: that has the potential talent on it um. But the way,
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons the way you measure a coach
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  Speaker 1: is obviously ultimately wins and losses. But when you are
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  Speaker 1: that young and that in experience and that many gaps,
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  Speaker 1: you have to watch how this team plays and how
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  Speaker 1: they compete and how they fight. I mean, you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at the team yesterday that is decimated by injuries on
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  Speaker 1: an already super young roster that had some gaps talent wise,
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  Speaker 1: and you're rolling out there with Luke marco Is a
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  Speaker 1: corner and Josiah Scott, and you know a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: guys on the front that are either undrafted rookie free
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  Speaker 1: agents or guys you just picked up, and they're fighting
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  Speaker 1: their tails off and you look at you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: on your third quarterback of the year. Um. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: have a undrafted rookie free agent playing running back, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, a very good player. Um. And so you
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  Speaker 1: put all those things together. You've seen it as much
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  Speaker 1: as I have in this league. You see teams quit
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  Speaker 1: and you see guys to be selfish and play for themselves,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, take opportunities if the slidest opera, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to find a way out of the game, they take it.
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  Speaker 1: I have not seen that on this team at all,
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  Speaker 1: and under some really tough circumstances and tough situations. And
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  Speaker 1: I get Doug in this staff a ton of credit
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  Speaker 1: because that is one of the hardest things to do
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  Speaker 1: when everything's going against you and you're losing and you're
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  Speaker 1: not as talented as the people you're playing, to get
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  Speaker 1: guys to play hard every week. And he has done that.
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  Speaker 1: And so however, I still think you need a fresh
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  Speaker 1: started culture, a new voice, and every else. Here's the ticket,
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  Speaker 1: the celliest general manager. And the only reason he gets
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  Speaker 1: the general manager title is because he's up in the
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  Speaker 1: ring of honor. I'll be as assistant general manager. Will
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  Speaker 1: keep Tim Walsh because Tim Walsh can do every contract
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  Speaker 1: known to man and knows the cap like none other.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll keep Tim Walsh. Now we're redoing the whole
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  Speaker 1: organization right now. The well, yeah, well me and you
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  Speaker 1: are starting. You're you're at the top. You'll be the
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  Speaker 1: general manager with the title. I'll be your assistant general
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  Speaker 1: manager Tim Walsh will stay on to do cap. Then
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  Speaker 1: we just got to find a coach Tony and there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of candidates out there I really like.
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  Speaker 1: Then we got yeah, and we can go through the coaches.
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  Speaker 1: But in like all like and we should listen, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about this JP, And I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: rundown is, but I do think of like who the
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  Speaker 1: next guy is, and whether you're joking or not, I'm
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  Speaker 1: flattered that you think I'd be a good gm um
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  Speaker 1: and so I'll just I'll take you at your or
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  Speaker 1: that you're not joking. But I do think we we
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  Speaker 1: should do That's my point. This is about you need
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  Speaker 1: to get somebody who's a leader who knows football and
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  Speaker 1: makes it all about football in the sense of there
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  Speaker 1: is there's a bunch of things that the process is important,
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  Speaker 1: how you do things are important, analytics are important, how
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  Speaker 1: you measure things, and everything else. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, every decision in this organization needs to
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  Speaker 1: be made based on one thing and one thing only,
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  Speaker 1: and that is at some point in the near future,
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  Speaker 1: shot kN is sitting on a platform getting the Lombardi
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  Speaker 1: Trophy from the Commissioner of the NFL, because that's why
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  Speaker 1: you play, that's why you exist as an organization, is
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  Speaker 1: to strive to win a championship. And the only way
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  Speaker 1: you do that, Pete, you have to give yourself as
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  Speaker 1: many cracks as it is possible, meaning you have to
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  Speaker 1: win your division and get into the tournament year after
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  Speaker 1: year after year to have that opportunity, and to do that,
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  Speaker 1: you better find a franchise quarterback, and you better you
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  Speaker 1: better have some big guys who can play football, because
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  Speaker 1: that's how this game one. That was a great campaign speech.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I really like that. No, No, I know, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: You can talk all about analytics, um, the salary cap
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  Speaker 1: fitting guys in the whole deal. What it boils down
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  Speaker 1: to is really three things. Three things. Can your quarterback
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  Speaker 1: win games with his right arm? Do you block? And
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  Speaker 1: do you tackle? That's when you really bring it down
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  Speaker 1: to the simplest form of what everything they do that
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  Speaker 1: matters gets into three things. Can your quarterback win games
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  Speaker 1: with his right arm? Can your offensive line block? And
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  Speaker 1: can you tackle? Period? All right, let's take your time
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  Speaker 1: out here, guys. We've got plenty ahead on this. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: it's the major news story of the day, we'll touch
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  Speaker 1: on the game from yesterday. Not for long. We'll touch
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  Speaker 1: on it it it happened. It's ten consecutive losses for
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Second hour a little later, we'll have your
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  Speaker 1: social questions. The mailboxes full today, as you would imagine,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to those who go around the league the
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  Speaker 1: not so powerful draft order. And since the Jags are
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  Speaker 1: officially eliminated, I think, Pete, we can officially start talking
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  Speaker 1: I just felt good to be out there again, good
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  Speaker 1: to be competing on you know, the biggest age in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL UM and overall I felt good. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel rusty. Um like I said, I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I've just seeing it well, um, throwing it well, getting
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  Speaker 1: I wish I had back, but uh, yeah, overall, I
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  Speaker 1: felt good. Mike Glennon starting quarterback yesterday for the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: and the loss to the Cleveland Browns. Welcome Back Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans j P Shadrick Pete,
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  Speaker 1: Frisco Tony Wasselley More on the aftermath of the firing
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  Speaker 1: of Dave Caldwell a little bit later in the program
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  Speaker 1: that coach Dugmore on the staff are safe. Through Mike Glennon. Yesterday, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it was twenty of thirty five passing two hundred thirty
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  Speaker 1: five yards, a couple of touchdowns, a rating of nineties
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: six point seven. What do you make of the performance yesterday? Pete?
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  Speaker 1: It was okay, It wasn't awful. It was a little
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in fact that I'd be honest, it was a little
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: bit better than I thought it would be. Um. He
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: actually made a couple of big time throws and looked
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like an NFL quarterback for a time. There were times
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: when it, you know, it waned a little bit, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: all at all, it was better. Uh, it was better
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: than I expected. To be honest with you. It wasn't great,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but better than I expected. Did they make an announcement
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: today on a quarterback? No, they did not. Doug Maron
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: said today that he has not had a chance to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: talk to the team yet, so he's gonna wait to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: do that before he announces what's what's going to happen
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: moving forward. But Pete, did you anticipate that Glennon would
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: be the quarterback again? Tony? I mean he does. If
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you're Doug Marrone, you got five games. Other than that,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So why not go with the guy
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: maybe gives you the best chance to win? And that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: looks to be Mike Lennon. So wouldn't you play him again? Yeah?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Based on what I've seen the three guys, it looks
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like he gives you the best chance. And and if
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you're Doug, you're right you you decide to go with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to win football games. You don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: care about the draft or draft position. What does it
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: matter for you? Um? And he's thinking about his players
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and the guys in that locker room because they want
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to win football games at the end of the day.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And so give give everyone, give the you know, put
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the guy there, whoever it is. Um. But he didn't.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: We kind of and I agree with you. I thought
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it was good. I thought he was fine because I've
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: told people are like he looks really good. I go, okay, great,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: but it's he's still like, he's not gonna be good
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: enough to make a decision to pass on the quarterback
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: of the future. You're trying to figure out who your
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: backup is at this point. And didn't we know that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Mike Lennon had games like this in him because early
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in his career I think it was a Tampa he
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: showed some spurts were like, hey enough where the the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Bears paid him like twenty million bucks to come in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to try to be the guy and and we and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we all know how that works out. Um, yeah, it
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was fine. He's got a big arm and can he
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: looked accurate at times in the pocket. You know, he's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: not overly athletic, and that was you know, you could
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: see that I thought he could you know, a guy
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: with an athletic quarterback pipe runs the ball in on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that two point conversion because there was no one there. Um,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but that's okay, that's not who he is, So yeah, UM,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: play him whatever. But doesn't that say speak volumes about
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the state of the quarterback position on that team. If
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Mike Glennan gives you the best option, I mean, that's right, there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That's why number two overall draft pick is so important
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to that franchise going forward, no matter who runs it,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: because if you get the right quarterback, you're a football genius.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Brett Beach has done a really
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: good job in Kansas City, but if he doesn't have
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, and give him credit, he identified a merle
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: made sure that they went and got him. Is he
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a good general manager? Hard to say. You don't know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Probably not. If he solved the quarterback position, it solves
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: almost everything else. So that's why number two overall is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: enormous for whoever does take that job. Yeah, but I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: don't think Pete's fair to say he's not a good GM.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I think your I didn't say that. So I said,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: do we know would he be getting all the accolades
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that he's getting if he didn't say he got Mitch
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Robinsky and not Patrick Mahomes. Would they be talking about
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: what a great GM he is? No? Okay, I agree
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: with that, but that's my point. So he's done his job.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So much of this speed is picking the right guy,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: but also then building around that guy. Because I'll give
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you an example. Um, look at the Colts when they
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had the first overall pick. Anyone could have picked Andrew
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Luck and Ryan Grigson their GM at first like, oh
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he's a good look at him, good GM. Well there
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: he was. He wasn't because he didn't build around him
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: properly traded for you know, Alabama running back. But first
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: round Trent Richardson was was a disaster and everyone who
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: watched him knew that was not the right to play
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: um And he didn't build He didn't build the line
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: around him to protect Andrew Lucky, didn't build the defense
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to keep him on the field. And so while just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: getting the quarterback right doesn't mean you're a great GM,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: but getting that quarterback right is critical to be building
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a team. And then you have to look at a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: guy at Grett Beach. I'm gonna give him credit. At
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the same time, do you are we fully clear of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the roles and responsibilities and how much influence Andy um
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Reid is playing in that and how he is driving
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the organization and is he really because Beach went and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: got he that's in that building, that that was his guy.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Even Andy Reid said it many times, So I agree,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: that's why that's why you have to give him credit.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: And they've built a good team around him. They built
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to his strength, they built a good enough offensive line.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Now they're not playing as well this year. Mitchell Schwartz
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: isn't playing as well the right tackle, but a decent
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: offensive line. They have a guy who can affect the
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback and Chris Jones. Um they're not great defensively other
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: than that, but they do have that. And they said,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you know what, we got this great quarterback. We're gonna
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: give a weapon. We gotta tied in and we got
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of fast guys who can run around, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we'll find a running back, you know, second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And they've run out a bunch of different guys are
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: running back in. Patrick Mahomes done there. So you have
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to give him credit um as the as the as
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the GM of that organization. At the same time, part
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of that credit is getting the quarterback right. We saw
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it here in Jacksonville, Dave Caldwell at the house on
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Blake Bortles. Okay, everyone misses here was the bigger mistake
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, And this is what I think is
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a quality of really good gms and head coaches, by
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the way, is when you omit your your mistakes early.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You know, in business they call it failing fast, like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: go for it, but when you're when you missed a minute,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: don't double down and keep on going down because of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: pride or ego or whatever else. And the biggest issue
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that happened here what Day've called will it was not
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: just missing on Blake Portles. He missed Okay, great, But
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: guess what if he would have admitted his mistake after
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: year three and said, missed it. I'm going to get
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: me another one. He had the opportunity to draft draft
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson that was sitting right there.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And guess what if you would have admitted his mistake
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and drafted patch Rick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson, he would
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: still probably be the GM today because you have the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: quarterback and you'd be a much better team. But I'll
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: give you another example. Thomas to meet Off drafted Matt Ryan.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And when if Matt Ryan came to the Falcons, they
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: were dreadful, Remember how bad they were, they were awful. Well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: he came there and then they had success. They built
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: around them a little bit. They got you know, they
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: got the weapons and they had within a whisker winning
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But then it started the fray, and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it's fray. They couldn't solve the pass rush issue. They
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: tried everything imaginable to do that, and they had some injuries,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and then they had this big cap number and added
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: this big cap number and they had something. And then
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: even though Matt Ryan still playing at a pretty high level,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: not Patrick Mahomes level, but pretty high level, they weren't
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: sustainable anymore. And that's why you talk about if you
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: have the quarterback, get the quarterback, identify the quarterback, then
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you have success. But the good GMS will be the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: ones that will be able to continue that when you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have to pay the quarterback and still supplement around them. Yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but I'll give you the reason that they fell apart
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in Atlantaped. It was a combination of head coach and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: GM because it was not just building it right and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: missing on some draft picks and not getting it right
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: at certain positions. The bigger issue my was after the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl they let when Kyle Shanahan got the job
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: at the four nine, they should have named one of
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: his offensive assistants, whether it was La Fleur or whoever
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: else as the coordinate there and keep the same system
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in place. Instead, they went to Sarkaesian and had start
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: come in and try to run a system that was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: not his, and you missed all the nuances of it
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that made them great. And so that's also planning, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: is when you do have success, have been developed talent
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: under your coordinator, so that when you lose a coordinator,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you keep the guy underneath him that could run the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: same system that you're having success with. And the same
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: on the defense. They never got the defense right, and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: because he brought in other people who were not running
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: his system and trying to meld to his system even
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: though they didn't own it. And you can make the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: argument the same mistake that maybe Gus Bradley made here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Instead of him being defensive coordinator and putting his system
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they believed, and he brought Bob Babbage, who's a Tampa
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to cover to guy and tried to have him run
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the system that Gus wanted to put in. And so
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: those are all new launces that help you be successful
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: as you go forward. So it's getting the player right
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and the right players quarterback first, I'm a believer inside
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: out offensive defensive lines after that, but it's also getting
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the right staff with coordinator, head coach coordinators, and then
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: building the system based on what they want to be,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: meaning that if you want to be a cover three
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like Gus Bradley, you better get long corners you can
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: run in a in a free state, you can cover
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of ground in the middle of the field,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and a will linebacker that that can run with the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: over routes. I mean, there's certain things. You better have
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a pass rusher. If you want to be that old
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Tampa two, you better have a three technique that can
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: be disrupted. I mean, there's certain aspects of the of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the thing that you have to build for. It's not
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: just drafting and this is a fantasy football We're just
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: gonna start picking players. You have to build to what
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: your conviction is and you have to match up with
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: your head coach. And then the long term sustainability is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: having the quarterback, which we agree upon, but also as
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you have success, to start losing coordinators to other head
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: coaches everything else, that you have someone to fill them
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with to keep the system in place. You know, Tony,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: we asked this question yesterday. How many franchises right now
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I feel comfortable with their quarterback for the next four years. Okay,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: let's go through the division. UM. I would say in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the South you have the Titans in the Texans both
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable with UM and the let's say the a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: f C North Pittsburgh's not. Ben's not gonna be there
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: for four years. UM, Cincinnati does, as long as Borrow
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: goes back from his knee injury. Does. UM Cleveland I don't.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think they do. I don't. In Baltimore to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this year, I'm not gonna say no, but boy, he's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: taking a step backwards. But let's get Baltimore. It was
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: based on their system. Four. UM in the East Buffalo, yes,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that's five. UM Jets No, I don't think Miami does.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: They don't know yet, so it's too early. And UM
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: New England, who's uh in New England? No? Why West
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Mahomes Yes, Herbert, yes, A. Denver doesn't know. Denver doesn't know.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And what about the Raiders? Is Derek Carl the answer
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: for four more years? I think, well, it's a it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a question mark. So no, because that's the C in
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the Let's go NFC South New Orleans, No, Carolina No,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: UM Atlanta four years from now? I don't think so. Um.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: And then up Okay in the way in the West, Yes,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: even though he played terrible, baby, I'm gonna give it
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to him. Kyle Murray, yes, Um, Russell Wilson, Yes, Russell
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Wilson yes. San Francis Francisco No, No, that's now we're
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: up to what is that? Eleven eleven? Okay? In the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: NFC East, Um, Sets no, no, Went No, no, Dallas yes, Prescott,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Prescott yes. So that's twelve in the North and NFC
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: North Green Bay where Rogers been playing in four years.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to play that long. He
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: told me once he wants to play to he's forty
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: at least. No, no, no, Um, chic twe and you
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: gave him golf of the entire league with the quarterbacks
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: for the next four years. That's right, hey, let's us right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Injury could jump in there too. Plenty more on that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: coming up. We'll touch on the defense, and plenty more
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: ahead on the firing of Dave Caldwell in the aftermath,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and how attractive the position is here in Jacksonville compared
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to some others. In the second hour, your social questions
• 34:59
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  Speaker 1: on this show. What happened? It happened? Actually have Okay,
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, JP, you've been and we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this a lot of years now, um and UM.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it should have been a warning sign to everyone,
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  Speaker 1: like the lights should have gone, like the red lights,
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  Speaker 1: flashing lights, because usually what do I have them? Fifteen
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get I'm not trying to get
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  Speaker 1: I did not? What did I locked? I locked something
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  Speaker 1: lock something? What did you lock? I can't remember? I
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  Speaker 1: I think it had to be rotten because my picks
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  Speaker 1: about How could you could you? I mean, my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: you locked the Jets. Is what you locked? Is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm TETs. You're gonna win. That's yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 1: could the quarterback from US seeks throwing interceptions. He's not.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't He hasn't improved at all. Yeah, he played
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  Speaker 1: it was it was ten three, they were the red
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  Speaker 1: zone and he threw a terrible interception. I mean, it's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just terrible. Let's touch on defense here for the Jags yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: obviously walking wounded going into the game, barely walking at all.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of guys on I are some other players
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  Speaker 1: out again yesterday and Von Hamilton's went down during the game.
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  Speaker 1: Dug Maroon said today it's not as bad as they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: thought last night, which is good news. He's still going
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  Speaker 1: to go on I R. But it's positive and more
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  Speaker 1: on defense. Close them down for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 1: get him ready for next year. You'd be done with him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's any chance that he's not a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: way back, then how about Josh Allen if they're not.
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  Speaker 1: If they're not, I mean, like in a normal season,
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  Speaker 1: in college. I'm done, I'm getting ready for the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Get ready for next year. Well, I mean, there's just
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: it's risk reward. If a guy is not acent, why
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: would you bring them back at this point? Right? But
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: don't you don't you agree there have been times, there
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: were times in your career when you were you played,
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  Speaker 1: there were times I played, Yeah, And that's what I
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  Speaker 1: mean because it was it was it was meaningful. There's
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  Speaker 1: nothing meaningful about the next five games. So shut them
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: down if they're not all the way back, and worry
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  Speaker 1: about next year. So this is how I would do it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's a risk reward thing. I would look
• 43:32
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• 43:34
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• 43:37
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• 43:42
  Speaker 1: is the upside, and the only upside is for them
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to get reps and to improve his players. Is the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: upside worth the risk of re injuring whatever injury they
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: have that will impact their off season when we're hoping
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they get better because thinking, because what you're trying to
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: do at this point with these young eyes is get
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: them better for next year, and you have to weigh it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it better to play them right now and those
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: reps are meaningful to get them experience and everything like that,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: or it would it be better off making sure they're
• 44:10
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  Speaker 1: young players so they're ready for next year. And that's
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that's the equation you're running, Pete, That's all you're doing, right.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, But but again, um, the reps might not
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: be as important if they're not. No, I agree, Just
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: weigh it out though, I mean yeah, I mean like
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I'll give it if I don't even know what. Let's say,
• 44:32
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• 44:38
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• 44:41
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• 44:43
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• 44:48
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm probably gonna bring him back for the
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• 44:52
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  Speaker 1: four to six weeks and I can push them to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: be there for the last week the season, is that
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: really worth it? I don't think so. No, not particularly
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: not if they're sitting out four games. He was starting
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to play really well, So I think I think he's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a fine I think they have a good player there.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: When you agree, I mean he has a chance to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: be really good in the interior. I think he's a
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: starting caliber first and second down one technique, So he's
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a he's a regular personnel one technique that's starting caliber. Yes,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: is he gonna um? Is he a three technique or
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I want out there in passing situations that's gonna have
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to pressure the quarterback? Probably not. Can he push the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: pocket at times? Yes? But I mean, but his skill
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: set is run defender, and so maybe big, big nickel
• 45:43
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• 45:45
  Speaker 1: that inside outside zone, maybe he's playing on those downs.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But that's what his skill set is at this point
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: in his career, is not the rest of pastor remind
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you of anybody that you played against in your career
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: or playing, or you've seen or watched. I mean, yeah,
• 46:00
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• 46:03
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• 46:06
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• 46:32
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• 46:33
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• 46:37
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• 46:53
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• 46:55
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• 47:01
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• 47:05
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• 47:17
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  Speaker 1: do with anything, Pete? Because it's always look you, somebody's
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  Speaker 1: misfortune is bad for them, but you'd rather be them
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  Speaker 1: than you. Okay, when I got COVID, I wasn't wishing
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  Speaker 1: you were laying in that. I see you. It's not
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: me that's got aggressive. Quick happened here? Oh my goodness,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: went there? Evil man? When you heard I was now
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: because I got it? Are you telling me that when
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I was in the I c you having COVID? You're like, yes,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But why you were in that? I see you. You
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: mustn't wished something on me, because I got it. Like
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of months later, you did something. We just
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: escalated quickly from luggage to COVID. What in the world happened, Pete?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. I know. The whole point is
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Pete's example was a dumb one. Is the point I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: was making JP understood it that went right over your
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: head is I'd rather not stand there for five minutes
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: waiting on my luggage. I'd rather get my luggage first
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and get the hell out of there. And you'd rather
• 55:17
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• 55:22
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• 55:27
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• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I said. That's what I said. Good. He said, it's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: good for me. It's good for me, meaning who cares
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: about everyone else? Now? Am I happy my stuff comes
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  Speaker 1: out at last? I can get the heck out of
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the airport. Yes, but I'm not wishing going out. You're
• 55:46
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• 55:51
  Speaker 1: important to you for yours to come out than if
• 55:53
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• 55:56
  Speaker 1: We're happy everyone else's there and you're gone. WHOA, I mean,
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• 56:05
  Speaker 1: my stuff got camp came out and they were stuck,
• 56:08
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• 56:10
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. That's true, it's all, it's all factual.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Let's think about it over this time. Yes, so you're saying,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: would you rather in the super Bowl play good and
• 56:24
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• 56:26
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• 56:32
  Speaker 1: You get paid. That you have a contract, get paid.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: That's like the old argument. Would you rather be guy
• 56:39
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• 56:42
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• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that's two that's two extremes million dollar difference. I'll say that.
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  Speaker 1: at general manager Dave Caldwell out About five thirty yesterday,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the announcement came down from Jaguars owners Shot Con that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell had been relieved of his duties. They'll get
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  Speaker 1: a new general manager and twenty twenty one, Trent and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Bulky will be the interim GM. The director of player
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  Speaker 1: personnel for the Jaguars currently, he was hired here in January. Also,
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• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: staff are safe through the season. So that answer that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you just heard from Maron today was about how the
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  Speaker 1: approach things down the stretch the final five games of
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• 1:02:35
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• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the final score, and the Cleveland Browns got the victory.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Prisco Tony Boselli back with us now, and you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: know that's that's what it is, new GM coming head
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: coach that has five games to go in this season
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and then who knows from there. That's a lot of
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: change coming up. But the change has begun. Tony. Yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I mean I think we all knew it was coming. Um,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it's a tough position for Doug to be in UM
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: because you're you know, you're tied to the GM. You're
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: trying to build this together. I think a lot of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: people were surprised that they got the year after last
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: year that they were retained, and they were I think
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: they were hoping they could get some things turned around.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Really tough year to do it. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: COVID and the guys off the out and everything else,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: UM and and at the end of the day, they
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: just didn't get the quarterback right. They thought that, Mit,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you could be the guy. I think everyone pretty much
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: now understands that you need to go make up, go
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: find a quarterback to be the franchise guy. So um,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: it's never good. It's never fun. And I think it's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: hard also on Doug of the staff now because you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: don't want to articulate it or say it out loud.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: But I think they know what's coming. I mean Doug,
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  Speaker 1: I mean he said it as much he goes. I've
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: been in this business a long time. It's never fun.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It's not good. And now you just have to be
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  Speaker 1: a professional, and I think you will and you have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to play it out and you gotta get guys to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: play hard and you're always auditioning for your next job.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Um and uh, and I think that's how you have
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to approach it, whether you're a coach or a player. Uh.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: You know, whatever you do is gonna be on tape
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: and it's going to stick with you and it's be
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: a part of your story. So I think that's what
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you go out and play with pride and and coach
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: with pride and coach hard because that's who they are.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I think they've shown that this year. And uh. And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: then as far as the GM, now it's time to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: start a search and go find out who who's who's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna lead the organization on the football side for the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Jackson Jaguars. Yeah. And that's the timing again because of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: all the circumstances around the league. If there had probably
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: been no firings and general managers until now, then they
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: probably would have waited until after the season. But I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: think that's fed up the time table and and rightful.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: So I mean, look, this team needs change, it needs overhaul.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: It needs to change from the top all the way down.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And and I think the coaching staff is going to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: change as well. And and uh, it's the right to do.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: It's time, and I think the fans are and I'm
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: sure JP when we get to some of their comments,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: they'll agree. By the way, I was trying to put
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: together and see if we could get a roster full
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: of ex Jaguars who were still playing, and see if
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: we could fill a full two team and see how
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: they would do. Messed up against this team. They and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm having a hard time with some offensive lineman.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe you guys can remember somebody. If you did, they'd
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: be they'd probably be a four or five point favorite,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: very defensive front Tony Tyson, Campbell and Gogway and and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Um and Clay and then Fowler. You could play them
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: wherever because I didn't have a lot of linebackers, but
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: secondary would be boy A Ramsey, Mike Hilton, uh Gibson
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: and Ronnie Harrison. Wow, now I can't remember. Now, there
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: aren't a lot of linebackers that could play next to Um.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you have a middle linebacker
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: if I can remember, I couldn't remember. I'm just doing
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: this off the top of my head. But you'd have
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: either Folds, probably Folds throwing to Alan Robinson, Alan Lazard
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and Mercedes Lewis would be a tight end, and then
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the offensive line is troubling. You'd have Sam Young, remember him,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: he was there for a while. Beat them, beat them,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and with new Ski there's three. I couldn't think of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: two other ones. But I'm sure that I was just
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: doing this on the fly. Was Austin Pastor right now?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Is he around Austin Pastor? No? But I'm sure we
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: can find two. Honestly. At the point is there's a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: lot of really good ex Jaguar players for whatever reason,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: who are no longer on the roster. And granted I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: thought the Fowler was a bit of a problem when
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: he was there. We know of that. Um, he never
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: lived up to the hype when he was a jackevill
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: a good football player, not a great pass rusher. It
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: was never worked. You know, he got hurt. Remember he
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: first training camp, he got her first practice, he got hurt, right,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and remember he had some all field stuff here as well, correct,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: h Jalen Ramsey. That was a deal they made. Should
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: they have made it? Would you have made it? Do
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: you still look back on it and say it was
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: a good deal? Calais Campbell because of money, Well, this
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: team had money, and they didn't want to spend money
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: on an older guy. I get it in cock way,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to pay him the money. But again
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: it goes back to what I'm saying. There are players,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: good football players out there that would have could have
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: been on this team, and they chose to go in
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: a different direction. And now this is why it's happening.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And there are reasons why, Tony. I'm not saying there
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: aren't reasons and warn't warranted reasons. Yeah, I think it's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: easy to go after the fact and say, you know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: but you know this person could have been or not
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: or should have been, or you know, wrong action was
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: taken with that individual. But I think each of them
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: has their own story too that you could go in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and dissect. And probably some are probably clear that maybe
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the move shouldn't have been, but some I think we'd
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: still end up saying, um to let them go in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and you know a lot of them are right moves
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: when they made the move. If you're giving me two
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: ones and something, an extra pit another pick for Jalen Ramsey,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I'm trading him to do it because he was not
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: He wasn't this, he wasn't playing like a number one
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: and number one corner when he was there at the end,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: he just wasn't good player. But did he, let me
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: ask you this, did you ever think he was playing
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: up to what he should have been for that team? Ever? Ever?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: For the end in in the last couple I mean, well,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: it's uh nineteen, you mean yeah, I mean but even nineteen,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the game he had where the outburst,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: where the outbursts happened against the Houston Texans. He had
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a great game of playing against Theodore, but he always
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: messed up well against Hopkins. That was one where he
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: always played a mean he's by the way, the problem
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: with that situation, Pete, wasn't just that moment. There was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of build up to get to that moment.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And what you have to do is go back and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: analyze it. Could the organization done anything better to make
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: sure the best player you had drafted in umpteen years
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: was happy and wanted to be a part of your organization,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And so at the end, yes, I would have traded
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: them for the two twos. My question, and as close
• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: My question would be, did you die sect. I think
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: this this is critical. It's you know, it's when changes happened,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: or you go through a process, or you go after
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a project, or you go do something. I think it's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: self evaluation and kind of doing a retrospect. It was
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: important what happened that got you to that point where
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: your best player doesn't want to be around you. By
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the way, we could coax puzz loves Me out of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: retirement and make him the line there that we're missing
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: outside of doing the silly exercise, because it's not a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: silly exercise. He just goes to show you there's a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: lot of talent still playing in the league that's not
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: there now, and it's been and it's been here and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: it's left for different reasons. Yes, Okay, starters starters on
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: other teams that would be starting here too, well, I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: mean maybe, yeah, maybe. I mean they trained Ronnie Harrison, Okay,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: which one of the guys that I did trained Ronnie
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Harrison because he wasn't playing at his starting caliber football. Correct,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: That's why they got rid of them. He played one
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: staff yesterday, by the way, okay, Tay, aside from Harrison,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: which one of these guys wouldn't be starting in Jacksonville
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: right now and go way ll starting Jackson, Mollie Jackson.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Now he's starting for the Eagles, or at least he's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: in the root. Uh, Dante Fowler starting? Uh boy a,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Well he didn't play great at the end. Started right now,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: right now? Are you gonna pay him that much money?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: So that's why let's stop the actually because I think
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: it's stilly exercise because some of the reasons you're talking about,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: we're taking away the money out of the equation. Ramsey,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you can't do that like Hilton, yes, uh and Gibson
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and Harrison. Look I don't. I'm not enamor with either
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  Speaker 1: one of those two back there. But so before we
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: go to break and do the social calls, let's real
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: quick we have like I think three menta shape, how
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: many jobs are gonna be open, And let's go to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: it really quick because now, well, general managers, there's four
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: right now, right four open. Let's talk about head coaches.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: They're open. There are there have been three guys fired
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: so far this year, right, assuming that those three spots
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: are either gonna be filled by the guys that are
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: in them or they're gonna be which I don't think
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: is the case. There's gonna be new blood in those
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: three job. How many other jobs that Jack's will assigne
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: for right now are gonna be open because that's what
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: you're competing for, And in my opinion, there's a finite
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: of people who you really want to go after to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: be your head coach, um, And so if you look
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: at it and let's do it quickly, we'll go to
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  Speaker 1: AMC East. The Jets are gonna have a new a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: new guy. That's four jet Um. Let's there. N the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: hold on. Let's do the f C North Pittsburgh, No Baltimore,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: No Cincinnati, no Cleveland. Okay, all right, let's go to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: the West A f C West Chargers. I say yes.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe I say yes, um, Denver, I don't think so anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe kan C No Oakland No, so ye have five
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: uh in the AMC South Tennessee, no Houston. We've already
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: added uh Indian Jackson. Let's just se like, okay, you're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: at six, um, yes, but without Jackson's five five without
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville set them beside, because we're going out. We might
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: have to go after it. If you go on the NFC,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Atlanta is already on the list. Carolina is a no,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Tampa's a no, and no NFC East. I think Philly
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: is gonna have a new coach probably. Um, that gives
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you six Giants, No Redskins, no Dallas No. Um. In
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the North Chicago, I think we'll have a new coach
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: at seven. Um, yeah, that's eight. No, I didn't put Detroit.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Detroit wasn't there. Sorry, And and UM that's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: it by Green Bay. Now you're at seven. And then
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: the West Arizona, no Seattle, no San Francisco. So you're
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: at that's seven jobs. They're most likely going to be
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: open besides the Jaguars. So now you have to start
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: thinking if the Jaguars end up making a move, which
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: we'll wait and see, I think you have the higher
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: GM they're gonna make a move. Are there eight head coaches?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: You said you're enamored without or candidates that you're enamored
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: without therapy. Uh. Here, I'll give you a couple. Arthur Smith, Okay,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: that's interesting to me from Eric Enemy. Okay, Arthur smithsit Tennessee.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: By the way, thank you's done a great job. Robert Salem,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Robert Robert Salt is going to be a head coach
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: somewhere next year. Um, I thought firing left, which maybe
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: get interviewed, but now they afterwards happened this year. I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: think Brady's going to torpedo him and that's the end
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I don't think you will Joe Brady,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Brady, but the league and you hire a thirty
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know is I mean, that's the thing they're gonna
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get interviewed. What about Staley the defense daily,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator in uh with the charge with the Rams.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: It's not a good year. He's done a really good job.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he hasn't. I'm just saying I think
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: this is the first year coordinating at any level. He
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: was a linebacker last year. Yeah, I mean that's you're
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you're you're making the point. There aren't a lot of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: like it's like, it's not I mean you have to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: start looking around, start thinking, Okay, if there's eight jobs
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and Daniels good, it'll be in the mix again. But
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: he never takes the job. He always backs out right, yeah,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: because he's gonna be he's waiting for Bill to give
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: him the Patriot job. But McDaniels is a candidate. There's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: no question about what about what about Matt Eberflus, I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: know nothing about him outside of the India having a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: good defense this year. I've are good things from people
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I talked about them, but no idea. All right, we
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: can we can continue. You're right, there's gonna be seven
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: or eight jobs, and there might be five or six
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: guys to fill them. Yeah, I'm just saying it's interesting.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a it's a there's a And that's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: why you have to get in front of this thing.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: If you're the Jaguars, if that's the move, you mad,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: because it's gonna be finite of the like, there's gonna
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: be competitions for the guy you want. Now, then you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: have to start thinking outside the box. Is there a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: college coach you'd go after? Is there a guy like
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: would you go make a run at Brian Kelly? What
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: about Urban Meyer or Urban Meyer? Would you make a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: run at one of those guys in empty the you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: know checkbook? Would you go and say, hey, we need
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: a quarterback guy, So maybe I'll go try to lure
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley out of Oklahoma because I'm drafting a young quarterback.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, those are the type of things you have
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: to be thinking about because as far as assistance that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: are hot, which is always dangerous because you know those
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: are gonna flame out and not have success because they
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: can't make the jump from coordinator to head coach. And
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: if we are struggling to name names right now, well
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting dilemma. You find yourself and you have
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: to figure out who's your next step coaches, and let's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: be competitive, and you gotta get started dance afory. All right,
• 1:17:09
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• 1:17:13
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the social questions. We put out the
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  Speaker 1: bat signal early in the day and here's the best
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: we've come up with. And on Monday at Sam I
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  Speaker 1: Am Sheer thirteen. What's the benefit in getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: the g M a little early? And what can you
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  Speaker 1: tell us of the guy that's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: interim GM. Well, we've we've gone over why I mean
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  Speaker 1: all show, I mean get in front of it. You
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  Speaker 1: know it's gonna be competitive. We just talked through the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: openings on the head coaching side that are gonna be there.
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  Speaker 1: We think there's seven day jobs will be open, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: so it's gonna be competitive there. And then the flip
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: side of that is is you want to get the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: GM in place, in my opinion, so that guy's picking
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: your quarterback, um, and so to do that and to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: be ready to enter the sweep stakes for all these
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: open jobs and trying to get your guy, you want
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: to be ready right at the end of the season.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: So I think Sean Kahn wanted to get in front
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of it. It was the right thing this time. And
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: again you're competing. You compete on the field, you're competing
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: for for guys to come in and take over that job.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: And I think it's an attractive job. I'm biased, probably
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but I do think it's an attractive
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: job for a lot of reasons. No state income tax
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: big part of it. Uh, you got a ton of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: draft picks, tons of draft picks, draft capital and cap room.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: You give somebody that they should be able to turn
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: that team around. Particularly with one is number two overall pick.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: That means you're gonna get a quarterback. That means you're
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: gonna get one of the two top quarterbacks in the draft,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and you hope that that guy ends up being a
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: franchise guy for a long time. But if you can't
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: turn it around with what they have available in terms
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: of draft capital and tap room, then you got a problem.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: And by the way, you have an owner that's willing
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to spend and is somewhat patient to make this thing
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: go the right way. Tony, yeah, I agree that. And
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: and the other part of the question was Trent Balky
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: is the interns GM? He was, yeah, he is. No,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying he's not. If somebody asked if he's no,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: they were asking what type of guy is he? Who
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: is he? He's a former guy GM for forty Niners,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: was there when they made the Super Bowl runs, and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: now he's a personnel guy that was brought in this year. No,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get the job either. Pete
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: our next question at King's nine oh four, when a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: new GM comes into coaching staff, interested in who Pete
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and Tony would like to see get the job, give
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: me Joseph Brady from Carolina hashtag Pete for general manager.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a great hashtag. And Tony, don't worry, I'd
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  Speaker 1: hire you to be my assistant general matter you wanted
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: to astill honor you every every year with the Ring
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: of Honor name up there which just went through some
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: name Joe Brady is gonna be a hot name. And
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I do I think you do have to consider. Um,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: you have to consider like you're you're gonna go draft
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: a young quarterback and you need someone who can develop
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: that young guy. And so like I think, like to me,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the safest guy for a head coach who I think
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: it would be really good. And maybe I'm biased, but
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I think Robert Sala will be a unbelievable head coach
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: in this league for a long time. And you saw
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: the day of the commented uh uh. Sherman came out
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: and said about him, kind of giving him an endorsement
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: as such a great coach. And you look what he's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: done with that defense or top five defense with every
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: player knowing the mankind being out. Um, so I think
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: he's really good head coach. But the question is if
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: you were to interview Robert Sala and you want him,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: like you're considering from the head coach the most important question,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Pete for him is tell me you're playing for a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: working quarterback. Tell me who's running your offense. Who's running offense?
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  Speaker 1: And if you can't answer that, then this isn't the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: right job. Now. If you can, I love it. I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: think Robert, I'm with you. I think Robert sal is
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: going to be a hell of a head coach. But
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: is the cell in Jacksonville tougher because he's from the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: gust Bradley tree. From a perception standpoint, yes, I think
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: that's right, But he's really from the Shanahan tree. Now,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: if you look at it from a coordinary coordinator coordinator,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: him being a coordinator, that's a and so if you
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: look at from that standpoint, it's really Shannahan. I think
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: he's learned a lot from that. You look at his defense,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: similar principles but completely different styles at the end of
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: the day, and I think highly of Gus So he
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: didn't work out his head coach. But you ask people
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: in the league, one of the best coordinators in the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: NFL um from on the defense side of the ball.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: So I think from a perception standpoint, Pete, because that's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: what people know and and in fairness to the fans
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: in jacksonvill they're not following the in detail on who's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: doing what and how they operate and what he does
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: and how he's thought of amongst you know, owners and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: people around the league. And he is one of the
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: higher regarded guys UH as far as young coaches. So
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's he's getting a job this year. There's
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I think he'll be a great
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: head coach. But yes, the first question is, Um, what's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: your offensive plan? Because if you don't, because we're drafting
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: a quarterback and you better have a detailed plan of
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: who it is who's gonna be running that side of
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the ball. And then the second thing I think you'd
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: have to have on this conversation, both internally and maybe
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: even with him if you wanted to interview him, is
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: this the best job for you because of some the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: uphill battle you're gonna face from day one from a
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: perception standpoint. Arthur Smith is another name. UM done a
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: great job with Towne Hill have done a great job
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: with that offense, their creative, they have big play guys, UH,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: and he would be a guy that he'd be on
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: the radar, and I think he should be on the radar.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: You talk about draft thing a young quarterback. I think
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: he could develop a young quarterback and would come up
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: with a system to cater to that young quarterback. So plus, um,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: you might not have to pay him as much. He's
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: rich already. His dad, his dad. You can't say one breath,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: we have an owner who doesn't care about he'll spend
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the money. And then you say part of them, that's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: a joke because he and I always say, and he's
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the richest assistant coach in the league because his dad
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: owns fed X and and there is actually a link there.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Back in the day when Jackson was in the push
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: to get the expansion team, we used to go to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: all these meetings. Well, his dad, fred Smith, was always
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: trying to get a franchise from Memphis. So there's old
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: time links there. And he's done a really good job.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: I give a lot of credit. There's no doubt about all. Right.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Our next question from Samuel of Duval. For eight years,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Tony defended Dave Caldwell's picks from Luke jokel to Zane Beatles.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Is he finally going to apologize for the false ne
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: parlative now that he's gone First of all, let's be
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: clear here. I never the Zane Beatles. I'm not sure
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: he's not. He's not a draft pick. Free he was
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: a free agent signing, and I never defended him. If
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: you go back to when we signed you, did you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: defended you defended Joko though, So let's be clear. So
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: the jokel again, let's go back and that let's not
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: have revisionist history. One of the worst drafts in modern
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: history for top ten picks, and so everyone Pete you included.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: At the time, I thought that was the right pick,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: a number two, you could argue. I actually, if you
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: go back to the actual time of the pick, I
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: thought we should try to go get the answer because
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I thought he was better. But there's all kinds of
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: questions around his age and maybe some injury history and
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: everything else. And it's not like he's been great as
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: a pro either better than Joko, but not a great pick.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: So that was a terrible draft. My defense of it
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: was it was the first pick, there wasn't a lot
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: of options, and now that he was our left tackle,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: he had athletic ability, but I said from day he
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: has to it stronger, more powerful, and so I don't
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: think that. I don't think Pete, even looking back, you'd
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: killed Dave Caldwell for that pick based on that draft. No,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: but he could have taken Lane Johnson. He went for
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: fair enough. I'm not saying Lane Johnson's obviously a better place.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I I'd like Ziggy. I'll be ozmath. I like Ziggy
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Ansa too. But there were there was there were concerns
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: about his age, and as it play it out, he's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: broken down a little bit as he's got a little older.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: And by the way I think everyone understands, also, we've
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: been doing this show for a long time. Which way
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: am I going to leave Pete as far as are
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: this organization that I'm a part of and I've been
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: a part of since If I have to lead, which
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: way am I lead? I'm gonna leave to support the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: players and try to give them the benefit of the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: doubt more than I would because if you listen to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: me on Westwood One and what I say talk about
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: teams I have nothing to do with. It's a difference,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a different story, and so um listen,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I have revis visions history. I never said anything about
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Zame Beetles, and yes, did I friend Luke jo One.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I also felt sorry for Luke Luke Joke because I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: thought the comparisons that were put on him from day
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: one were unfair. He did look like By the way,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: there are two guys on the Jaguars roster right now
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: who were first round picks in that draft. Mm hmmm
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: who are do? Tell? Wow E J. Hayden Yeah and
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Tyler Eiffert. Yeah, how about that? And the best player
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: of that entire draft is DeAndre Hopkins for the first round.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: He was late first round, wasn't he correct? He went
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: screwed that one up? Yes? True? All right, so you're
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: with a bad draft all the way around, and the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: top ten was really bad. Think about that. Tavon Austin
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: went in the top ten and you're right though. By
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: the way, Johnson was the guy that everyone thought, I mean,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: now you take him, but back then he was a
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: right tackle and very few people wanted to take him.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: That The thought he was a franchise guy at the time,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: so they took a spinning top instead. It was the
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: wrong pick, there's no doubt about it. But remember the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: pass rusher in that draft ended up being a bus
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: to Dion Jordan's absolutely he got to spend multiple times
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: and uh so, yeah, that pick is there's no defending
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: that pick. It was a bad draft and Joco just
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't very good, even though you defended it for four years.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: He had a soft spot for the kid, admit it.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I did. He played in the same position, and I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: thought it was Pete and I talked about this slightly
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: on air, but a lot off there. I thought it
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: was wildly unfair of the expectations and everything throwing on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: him because that's not who he was. That wasn't his makeup,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: and that was the one thing we said from day one.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: He did not have the tough guy mental makeup and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: when they drafted him, that's not who he is. And
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: then they asked him to be something and it was
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: a tough situation as he never asked you for help.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: You'll leave that would be We'll move along. Three more
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: questions next one from at Waku greena from Doata, Argentina.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Come on, Jaguar is happy hour on Monday is the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: best day. I see New England losing against the Jets
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: on the seventeenth week, so the division rival doesn't get
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Salutos. I don't see a question there, But what
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: if he What if Belichick rested all it started and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: didn't start Cam just so the Jets couldn't get Trevor Lawrence,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: there be an investigation, right, I think the Commission would
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: be involved at that point, right, But I mean, oh,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Jarred Stidham is gonna start to get an evaluation on
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: it for next year because you're not gonna bring Cam
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: back Bill. Bill likes winning too much, you wouldn't do it.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: What if his team is six and nine at the time. Yeah,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that would be priceless and the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: jack Jackson would send like Belichick, like Bouquet's and candy
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: and steaks and everything else. Does that happen? Listen, I'm
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna be mad. I'm not gonna be madame that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: much right now. I will not be mad. Alright. We
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: got Swiney and uh and um Trevor Lawrence together in Jackson.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: If you're David Daddle Sweeney, why would you leave Clemson
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: where you make ten million dollars a year, you get
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: every kid you want, and you run the entire place. Yeah?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: And does that? Does that? Does he appeal to the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: NFL player? Yeah? I don't know. I don't know him
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: well enough to speak rab you know the ras. I'm
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: just thinking, Well, people said the same thing about Pete Carroll.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: He did pretty good in Seattle. True, he didn't do
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: so well in New England. Nope, let's move along at
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Devil x Jaguar. Hey, can I get a birthday shout
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: out on the show today? Well? Happy birthday? Also you
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: get a happy birthday from JP that matters more than
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: me and Tony giving you one since he's solo on
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: all these lists. Here's the rest of the question. Also,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: what will it take to get this team back to
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: being relevant? Which quarterback in the draft fits the current
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: players best and gives this team the best chance to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: win next year? Also, do you keep Gruden? I think
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: they cleaned. I think they clean house completely. Obviously the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: guy who gives you the best chances the best quarterback,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: which is Trevor Lawrence. You don't know if you're gonna
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: be able to be drafted number one, so then if
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: that's not the If you don't get Trevor Lawrence, then
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: you get you get Justin Field, who I haven't done
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of games. There's there's a lot of life,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: there's some concerns, But there's a lot of like, he's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: not the slam he's not the slam dunk guy that
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: that he sometimes locks on. I think just In and
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: I haven't done a ton of work on him either.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Just in the games I've watched, I think he's sometimes
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: locks on a little bit. Yeah, a lot of work
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: to be done. That's one thing. You know, whether you
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: have the first pick or a second pick, you're gonna
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: do a ton of work on both those guys. What
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: would you give up the guard? What would you if
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: you got the chance to go to one? What would
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: you give up to go up there? Well? Be I
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: think that goes back. You have to do all the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: work first, because you have to you have to kind
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: of figure out what's the delta between Lawrence and Fields?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: How big a delta? Once you determine, once you do,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Once you determine that, then that tells you how much
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: you're willing to give up to move up? Right? Was
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: there like the delta between Burrow and Herbert? A lot
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: of people thought it was big, and it clearly it's not.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: It's not that big, and so you would have been
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: foolish to trade up a bunch not that maybe Burrows
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit better, but would you give up everything
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: to move up? Put them all in the same Put Lawrence,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Burrow and Herbert in the in the basket right now?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Which one are you taking? First rank? Well, you're you're
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: assuming Herbert. I mean the Borrow is healthy, right, Um,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I would probably go Lawrence one, Burrow too, and Herbert three. Boy,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: but you you can make a case for going I
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: almost went Laurence Herbert Burrow. I would go Lawrence Herbert Burrow.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Now I might go Lawrence Burrow Herbert. That's what I
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: just said, basically following me, thank you all right? You'll
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: be an outstanding you like two and more than all
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: of them anyway, so you'll be a good assistant. Our
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: final question at odory eleven, I wish the best for
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell. He left the Jags with a lot of young,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: promising talent and high future draft picks. What are the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: rules on hiring a GM? Does the Rouoney rule apply?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: And can they hire someone like Mike Borgonzi right away?
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: The run rule applies, and yep, Michael Stonzi is on
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs right now, Um, working under beach. And here's
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: what this is? What this is this is what we
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: do this time of year. It's like, okay, which teams
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: are successful and let's go just like you think, whoever
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: just tweeted that has any idea who Mike is or
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: what he does or what his skill set is? Can
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: he lead? Can he do? I mean, I mean we
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: have no idea. You don't. I mean you you cover
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: it daily, you don't know. Now you can make some
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: phone calls and find out and get a sense of it,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: but you're also gonna be talking to guys that know
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna tell you. You know, you know, probably
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: on the more positive side. But this is what we knew.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: And this is why you see a lot of failures
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, Bete, because we lit we stack rank
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: these guys based on what they've done in a role
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: that is not the role you're hiring them for. And
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: because a team or a system has success, it's assumed
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: the have success. And we see it at gms, and
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: we see it at coaches and we've seen it. Just
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: just list all the Belichick guys who fail and everyone
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: hires them because they think they're Bill Belichick. And by
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: the way, the biggest miss those guys make is they
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: try to be Bill Belichick where they go, and so
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's where you see a lot of
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: failures um in this league in the hiring of head
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: coaches and gms, because it's hard. And I'm not putting
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not blaming. I'm not saying the owners don't know
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: what they're doing right, But it's hard. It's a hard
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: thing to evaluate somebody. We're hiring to do a job
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: that they've never done, and you're trying to discern that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: do they have the skill set to lead, because that's
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: the most important quality. I did send out some text
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: to guys I know and checked on a few guys
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: and I don't know Arthur Smith. I just don't, so
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted to see what kind of guy was and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: the guys I asked he checked the box. You know,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: he works his butt off. He's a good football coach.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: He loves it, you know. And the guy who's entitled,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, you're born into that, you might be entitled.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: None of that. Zero and Ryan Colden is another name
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna be package deals. Think about it that way, Tony,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: if you hired uh, you know, general manager, he's likely
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: going to bring his own guy in so Ryan cal
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: the name that's been mentioned to me from Tennessee. If
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: he was hired, Uh, he would hire like somebody like
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Arthur Smith or Adam Peters who's in San Francisco. He
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: would bring in Robert salom That that that package you
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: gotta look for the package deals, I think in those
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: kind of scenarios. Alright, guys, that's it for social questions.
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  Speaker 1: us five minutes there. Let's get now to the not
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  Speaker 1: so powerful rankings for draft order. The Jaguars are officially
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: eliminated from postseason contention. I know you're holding out, hope, Tony,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: so we can start talking draft a little more. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with twenty five, and that's where the Rams are.
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  Speaker 1: That's where the Jaguars would pick. Um. It's that would
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: be the divisional round losers. Who knows, if they don't
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: get in, it could be higher obviously. Uh. And then
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  Speaker 1: we'll go to the teams that are four and seven.
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  Speaker 1: That starts at twelve with the Denver Broncos at four
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: and seven. The Texans would have the eleventh pick. They
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  Speaker 1: would give it to the Dolphins, though four and seven.
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  Speaker 1: Falcons four and seven would pick ten at number nine,
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  Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions and number eight. The Washington Football team
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  Speaker 1: at number seven, the Philadelphia Eagles at three, six and
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  Speaker 1: one at number six, the Carolina Panthers at four and
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  Speaker 1: eight at number five, at Los Angeles Chargers at three
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  Speaker 1: and eight number four, the Dallas Cowboys at three and eight,
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  Speaker 1: number three, Cincinnati Bengals at two, eight and one, number two,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars at one and ten with a five fifty
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  Speaker 1: five strength of schedule, and the New York Jets at
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: eleven with a five eight nine strength of schedule. Currently,
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  Speaker 1: those are you're not so powerful draft rankings. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: Jp You look at around the teams around the Jaguars,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and most of those teams don't need quarterback. Bengals, Cowboys, Chargers, Panthers,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: they're the one, but the rest of those don't need quarterback. Well,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: the Panthers. Here's the if you if you win two
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: games that puts you. Let's say everyone else loses every
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: game except for you, and you win two games, so
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: it gets you three wins. The only team you'll fall
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  Speaker 1: behind is the Bengals, um because they have the time,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: and the Bengals aren't going to draft the quarterback. But
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: that's where all of a sudden that you have to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: worry about someone trading up into the number two spy, right,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. So at that point, unless you evaluate
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  Speaker 1: the kids from by U or some other quarterback out
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: there as good enough for to take it three that
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  Speaker 1: you have confidence in, you're gonna have to give up
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  Speaker 1: some draft capital. Don't worry, don't worry, need not worry
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  Speaker 1: one bit. There is not gonna be another victory happening
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville this year, so don't worry about I'm not
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: sure you said Cleveland. No, I said Minnesota too. They're
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: not beating Minnesota at Minnesota. So where's the other one come?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the possibility come from? Baltimore? Baltimore right, have like
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: eighty guys out with co H By that time, it
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  Speaker 1: will run through it and they'll be immune to it.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll be and then you have, indeed, Tennessee at home.
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  Speaker 1: They're not beating Tennessee cold last game of the year
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  Speaker 1: if they need it, they're not winning there, so don'ty,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about it. They'll have the number two pick
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  Speaker 1: maybe number one. Well, the Bengals aren't lose. They're not
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  Speaker 1: they're not winning. They're not winning any more games. No,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: not with that, not with not with Brandon Allen, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, we could pencil him maybe into the back.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: By the way, he's another one we can put on
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  Speaker 1: the line. Jacob Waite, how do you say it, Tony?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: That's the first time, that's the first time he has
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: ever gotten this guy. The guy's name, right, was another
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: name before I got that right. So there you haven't
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: the not so powerful draft order. Let's come back. We'll
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  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Pete Frisco, Tony Buzselly Glad you're along
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  Speaker 1: with us today and let's go around the National Football
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  Speaker 1: League and some news that has broken over the last
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  Speaker 1: little bit here. During the second hour of the show,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: more changes to Steelers Ravens. It was scheduled Thanksgiving night.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: It was going to be scheduled on Monday, it got
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: moved to Tuesday. Well, now it's been moved to Wednesday,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: and the next week. Steelers game against Washington has been
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: moved back to Monday night. So a lot of changes
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: all the COVID world. It's going through the Ravens football
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: team right now, Pete, and it's a lot going on
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: for Baltimore, all these changes, trying to get obviously a
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: very important football game in well, at least they have
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: a quarterback we can play on like the Denver Broncos
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: over Runday. I mean, look, it's we're a week twelve
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: and there hasn't been a game canceled. That that speaks
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: to the NFL and speaks to what the players have
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: done so far to make this a reality. And let's
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: hope it continues. And let's hope. Okay, the only reason
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: the game hasn't been canceled because then bye weeks to
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: play with and they moved, but they have there's no
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: more bye weeks to play with. It's over. The bye
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: week care asseol is over. So now they are trying
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: to shove games in anyway they can. That's why they're
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: gonna play the announced Wednesday for Steelers Ravens and then
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: hoping they get two days of tests and then Monday, um,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: the Monday before the football team against the Steelers. But
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: you look at this past week. They forced the Broncos
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: to play a game without a quarterback. Yeah, that was well,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: the Broncos kind of forced it on themselves because they
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: self reported the incident, and then the tape became available
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know then the NFL looked at
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: it and said they were you know, masks down at
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: times when they were eating and they kept them down
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: and everything else. But you know how many there were
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: no positive tests among the quarterback none, they were They
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: were put out because they were close to Yeah they were,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: they were close to Jeff Friscoll. So, I mean the
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: NFL has got to ask it quite asked the question. Yeah,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: you want to be diligent, you want to be safe,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: But if a guy is not sick and you don't
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback, should he be held out? Is that right?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Is that a good thing to the lease that the
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: Dick Fangio came out and was mad at his quarterbacks.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't mad at the NFL. I'm not saying it.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: My point is if they would have been earlier in
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: the year, they would have they would have not played
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: the game. They would have managed with the bye week
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: and they'd have figured it out. How they're gonna play
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: games on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday. They're gonna play games no
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: matter what. Because they did not want a week before
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, I don't know why they pushed back
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: so much on that. Well. Be the bigger issue for
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: me is what are they you're doing to get in
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, because I don't the vaccine is not gonna
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: be meaningful by the time the playoffs. Good here, COVID
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: is not disappearing before the playoffs. It's gonna be the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: heart of winter in most of these places where people
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: are inside all the time. What are they gonna do
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: because if you had a run of an out an
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: outbreak during the playoffs, I mean you can't. You can't.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: They're talking about bubbling teams and putting him in a hotel.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Like you said the beginning of the season, you with it.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: I said, I think you have to do it. I
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to quarantine
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: these teams because otherwise there's no way you're gonna make it.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Where's the spread coming from? You know the reports now
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: that the children don't spread it, that's where they're going
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: to reopen the school. So the kids aren't giving it
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: to the parents. So where's it coming from. Well, they're
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: going out. I mean, I'm sure they're going to dinner.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: They're probably picking the stuff up the gas station. Who knows.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just takes one of them. Yeah, And
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: did you see the forty nights have to play two
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: home games in Arizona to California is shut down. Northern
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: California specifically is shut down. All right, we have family
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: up there. My wife was just telling me during the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: last commercial break all kids sports. They have kids that
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: are getting ready to play hockey. For the last year,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: everything shut down completely. They can't leave like it's nothing
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: out for four weeks. So if they were okay, California
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: has been one of the strictest states in terms of
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: shutting down. If it didn't work, what's the point of
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: doing it again? A good pete. You gotta ask the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: one who gets paid a lot more money than you,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: and I can tell you those things. I mean, I'm
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not Dr Prisco or Prisco the scientists, although back
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: in the day I did play doctor when cough in
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: mind about injuries and I had to figure out what
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: everybody was hurt with but you know, silly hip, silly shoulder,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: the silly everything, silly me. Put them on a private plane,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: send them home. Oh man, that was would toppy funny
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: because expressing on your face as priceless every time I
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: say it, There's no doubt about it. It's such. In
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of games from yesterday, running short on time,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the well, the Patriots seventeen over the Cardinals. Pete, are
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: you counting the Patriots out? Do they have some life
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: for now? No? It just cant Newton didn't even bed
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: for a hundred yards and they won the game. I mean,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: bad loss for Arizona, really bad loss. The kicker make
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: your kick he missed. He missed the field goal of
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: a minute forty left, and uh then they went down
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: and got one. Make your kick about the Broncos yesterday
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: without the quarterbacks kid has going there. I think he
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: was like one for seven or something passing. That game
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: set quarterbacking back to the tebow era. I mean, it
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: was so bad, it was awful. I felt bad for
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: hinting he went in there. He never played quarterback, didn't
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: even get any snaps with any reps. They didn't even
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: know who he was. But Tastom Hill can't pass either.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: All the Tastom Hill hype is his way out of control.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: He stinks too. How about the Chiefs and the Buccaneers.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: The Chiefs had a big lead, Bucks came back up
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: within three, had some things going on the fourth quarter,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: but the Chiefs hold on. Tommy's not happy. He doesn't
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: look happy. He looks miserable. So is the beef real
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: between him and Arians or is this media makeup? Well?
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Did you see Arians came out and said that Brady
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: picks the plays and calls the plays there his plays,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: And all Romo did was defend Brady on Sunday. I
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: mean I didn't. I didn't get it. I think when
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: you look at this situation, Brady might be losing a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: little bit now, maybe didn't you don't you see him
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: pouting and moping, and you know, he's always been a
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: guy who you know you could read his body language.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: Remember the Giants used to hit him and make him
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: pout and moan and see ghosts and everything else. That's
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: what's starting to happen with him, and he's not hitting
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: the deep shots. He did it one yesterday though. Yeah.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: The biggest issue is his deep All accuracy is just
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: gun out the window. It's gone, it's disappeared, it's left
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: the building. If you had to pick right now, are
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs They're gonna win it all again? Yes? Yeah,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are the favorite. Yeah with you.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: Of course, the Packers might have something to say about that.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: They look pretty good last night again too, Yeah. I
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: don't think they know. They played against the Bears awful offensively, Yeah,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: but the Bears defense is pretty good and they carved
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: in the shreds last night. Time. That's gonna be tough.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be a tough offense to stop in the playoffs.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Time for Monday Night football. It's a battle of the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Birds in the City of Brotherly Love and tonight in
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: South Billy, Carson Wentz in the Philadelphia Eagles could vault
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: in the first place in the NFC East with a
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: win over Russell Wilson and the suddenly human Seattle Seahawks.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: Who you got tonight in Philadelphia? It might be got
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: I got this and not win. It's gonna be wins.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: They'll put in some gimmick packages for hers. He's not
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: to play quarterback. I don't think I would. I think
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: Seattle goes in there and throws it around. Although the
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: Eagles can rush the quarterback, and they're banged up on
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: on the deep on the offensive line and Seattle's banged
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: up on the offensive line. But I'll take Seattle. I
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: don't love it, but I'll take him. Yeah, I'll take
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: a better quarterback. I'll take Russell Wilson. I think he
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: uh plays a little better, doesn't throw it to the
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: wrong color jersey as much tonight as he has the
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: last few weeks. And I think the above gotta go
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: Pete Sea, Tony Sia. That'll do it for Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 1:59:35
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• 1:59:38
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