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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 13) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick back up where we
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  left off with that cliffhanger in the Glaine Maxwell deposition.
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  So let's get right back to it. McCauley, let's go
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  through them. What's the first one Maxwell? Her characterization of
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  the first meeting at mar A Lago. McCauley, what part
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  of that was an obvious lie? Maxwell? The characterization that
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  she said that she said she was accosted, she looked
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  like as best as I can recall, if I met
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  her in mar A Lago, as she claims she worked
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  at mar A Lago she claims, and her statement she
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  worked at mar A Lago, she would have been dressed
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  as all the SPA people in mar A Lago would
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  have been. It would have been impossible to identify her
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  as someone other than someone who worked at mar A Lago.
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  She would have been dressed as all the SPA people
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  at mar A Lago would have been. It would have
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  been impossible to identify her as someone other than someone
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  who worked at the spa. She made many claims. She
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  has been a bathroom attendant, front of house attendant. We
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  don't know what that was. So her obvious lies are
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  her contradictory of her own personal statements within that McCauley,
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  So what part of her statement relating to mar A
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  Lago McCauley's cut off here by Maxwell, I'm carrying on, McCauley.
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  I'm sorry, I thought you were done. Maxwell. Please her
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  statement also that she was driven by her father to
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  Palm Beach, she was driven by her mother. As a
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  matter of fact, her whole entire characterization of the first
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  meeting with Jeffrey as I was outside speaking to her mother. McCauley,
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  let me stop you right there so we don't get
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  too far ahead. Let me make sure I understand your
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  testimony the first in the first piece, when you're talking,
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  I believe you said. Correct me if I'm wrong that
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  her characterization of the first meeting at mar A Lago
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  was an obvious lie? What part of that meeting was
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  an obvious lie? Maxwell? By her own testimony, all her
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  various many different descriptions of what she was or wasn't,
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  or where she was or wasn't, they've all changed. She
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  was either in front of the house or a bathroom attendant.
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  I don't know what she was, So just by her
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  own words. One doesn't know what's true and what isn't true. McCauley,
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  are you saying what position she said she was working in?
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  Is that what you are considering the obvious lie? Maxwell?
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  I said, inconsistency within her own statement from everything, so
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  in the beginning it starts off with different statements. McCauley.
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  Then I believe you said the second piece was that
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  she was driven by her father. Maxwell I said she
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  was driven by her mother. McCauley, that's an obvious lie. Maxwell,
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  It's an obvious lie to me. McCauley. You said, why
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  don't you state it in your own words? But the
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  characterization of how she was with Jeffrey, what about that
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  is an obvious lie? Maxwell. I was standing outside talking
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  to her mother. So the entire story is a fabrication. McCauley.
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  Did she not have sex with Jeffrey Epstein during the
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  first massage? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation.
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  Maxwell I was talking to her mother. So McCauley, do
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  you know whether that's an obvious lie, whether she had
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  sex in that room or not. Maxwell, her story about
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  what happened, let's also be the story as first hit
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  the press was that somebody else's letter to Jeffrey's room
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  it was not me, and then it turned out being me.
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  So we have an obviously important inconsistency lie in my
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  That's how I would characterize a lie. It cannot be
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  me or somebody else. It can only be one or
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  the other. McCauley. Who is the other person she said
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  took her to the room. Maxwell, Why don't you ask her? McCauley.
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  I'm asking you Maxwell, how would I possibly know? McCauley,
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  you are saying that's a lie? Maxwell, It was a
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  lie in the papers. She said it in the newspaper,
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  and it was in the newspaper. McCauley, How do you
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  know she wasn't identifying you? Maxwell? She said, somebody McCauley.
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  How do you know somebody wasn't you? Maxwell? Why did
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  it suddenly become me? Why not say it was me
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  and be done with it? McCauley. So it's a lie
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  because originally she may not have named you and then
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  named you later. Maxwell. It's obviously inconsistent to somebody who
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  wasn't me. McCauley, How do you know it wasn't you? Maxwell?
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  I know it wasn't me because I wasn't talking to
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  her mother, McCauley. But she then named you. Is that
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  what you're saying, Maxwell, that's an obvious lie, McCauley, she
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  named you. Maxwell. It's an obvious lie because I wasn't
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  even in the house. McCauley. Is it an obvious Who
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  did lead her up to Jeffrey's room while you were
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  talking to her mother? Maxwell? You would have to ask Virginia.
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  I don't know if she was let to the room
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  in his house. McCauley. You were standing with her mother,
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  is that correct? Maxwell? That's correct McCauley. Who was working
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  at the house that day, Maxwell redacted? Maxwell would redacted
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  typically lead someone up to the massage room where Jeffrey
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  was having a massage. Maxwell, I don't know she was
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  led up to the massage room to have a massage, McCauley.
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  She would have found her way on her own. Maxwell.
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  I would suggest that that entire story never happened at all,
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  in any of its form, McCauley. If you stood outside
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  with her mother, what did you think happened inside? Then? Maxwell?
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  I believe that's somebody It wasn't me, redacted, probably took
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  her to meet Jeffrey Epstein redacted redacted. Maxwell, did Jeffrey
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  tell you that, Maxwell? No, but that would have been
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  a normal interaction. I don't believe for a second. I
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  know her entire characterization didn't happen because I was outside
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  talking to her mother the entire time. McCauley. Why would
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  she have for a massage and not give a massage,
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  mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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  We are talking about her characterization of the first time
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  that she came to the house. McCauley. If I'm following
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  you correctly, you're saying she walked in and would have
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  gone to It's your assumption she would have gone and
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  talked to Jeffrey and left. Maxwell. When I was working
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  for Jeffrey, typically he would meet someone before getting a
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  massage from them, to see if he wanted to have
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  a massage from them, typically, McCauley. So he would not
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  have someone come up to the room and start a massage, Maxwell,
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  He would not, McCauley. So the young girls in the
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  police report who say they came over and were led
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  up to the room on the first day, would they
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  be wrong about that? Pagliuca objection to the Form and
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  the Foundation. Maxwell, I cannot comment on what happened when
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  I was not in the house. I can only comment
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  when I was at the house. McCauley. Was there ever
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  a time where a woman came to the house for
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  the first time to give a massage and Jeffrey had
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  the massage that day? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form
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  and Foundation. Maxwell. Can we talk about adult professional messuses please, McCauley.
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  I'm asking whether adult or underage. Maxwell. I'm not interested
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  in talking about underage. I can only testify to what
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  I know professional messuses adult. I cannot testify to everything else. McCauley.
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  Why can't you testify to an underage girl that came
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  over and was led up to the room for a massage,
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  the police records you were referring to, McCauley, you were
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  saying that didn't happen. You're saying I can only testify
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  to adults that came for an interview and were led
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  up to the room. Why can't you testify it to
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  whether an underage girl was brought in for an interview
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  and let up. Pagliuca interrupt her here objection to the
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  form and the found McCauley, go ahead and answer Maxwell.
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  Can you reask the question McCauley, why can't you testify
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  as to an underage girl who came over for an
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  interview and then was then let up to the room
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  for the massage? Maxwell, you've mangled your entire question. Can
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  you please reask it in a way that I can
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  answer it correctly? McCauley, why can't you not testify as
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  to whether an underage girl You said you can testify
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  as to the females that were over the age of eighteen,
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  Why can't you testify as to weather an underage girl
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  came over for an interview on that same day? Maxwell,
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  I don't know what you mean by interview. McCauley. You
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  just said that Jeffrey Epstein interviewed. It was your word,
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  interviewed the messuses before they gave a massage. Is that correct? Maxwell?
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  The word interview is making me I'm English, so you
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  could have some difficulty understanding the way I communicate. McCauley.
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  I'm using your word, Maxwell, then I'll reuse it a
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  different way. He would meet them because receiving a massage
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  is something you want to make sure you are comfortable
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  with the person, and so interview is not the correct word,
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  but you would meet and have a conversation with them
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  to see if you want them to have a massage
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  with that person. That's an interview, Glaine, Maxwell, you stank
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  ass hose beast. McCauley, did Jeffrey Epstein ever meet an
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  underage girl and on the same day receive a massage
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  from that girl? Paclayuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell,
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  I can't possibly testify to what happened after I was
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  not at the house, McCauley, if you were aware at
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  any time you were at the house, did you ever
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  see that? To this manager? Pipes in let her finish
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  the question, Maxwell, I can only testify to people who
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  are adult professional massuses who came to the house. I
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  cannot testify to something I'm not party two and don't
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  know about. I can only testify to what I saw.
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  So when professional adult massuse male and or females would
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  come to the house, typically when I was there, typically
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  he would meet with them prior to have a conversation
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  with them about their experience whatever to decide whether it
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  would then A if he had time for the massage
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  at that time, or B whether he could have a
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  massage at that moment. Does any of that sound logical
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  or real to any of you, because from my seat
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  here in the Peanut gallery, it all sounds like a
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  bunch of bullshit. McCauley, was Virginia an adult when she
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  came over? Was she over eighteen? Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and the foundation Maxwell, I think we established as
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  of today, we are all aware everyone in this room
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  that she was seventeen McCauley, So you have been present
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  when a miner was brought over for a massage for Jeffrey. Maxwell,
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  can I say, as you were able to have a
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  massage at seventeen, so she came as a massuse McCauley.
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  I'm not saying whether or not you were able to
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  I'm saying you've been present at Jeffrey's home when an
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  underage minor has come over to give him a massage. Maxwell,
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  That's just not how that works. You were able to
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  be a massuse at seventeen, so she came to give
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  for a massage at seventeen. You were able to come
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  over and give a massage. Just to interject again, really,
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  seventeen year old, how much massage schooling have they had?
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  Give me a break. God, she's vile. McCauley. I'm not
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  asking whether she is able to do it. I'm asking
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  whether you were present at the home when a girl
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  under the age of eighteen came over for the purpose
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  of giving a massage. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer Maxwell. You can
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  be a professional massuse at seventeen in Florida. So, as
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  far as I'm aware, a professional massuse showed up for
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  a massage. There is nothing inappropriate or incorrect about that,
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  and your mischaracterization of it, I think is unfortunate. McCauley.
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  How many teenagers did he have that were professional messuses
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  that worked in his home? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and foundation, McCauley, how many? Maxwell? First of all,
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  I am not aware of teenagers who worked in his home. McCauley.
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  You are aware of Virginia Roberts, and you've stated she
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  was seventeen and she worked for him. Correct Maxwell, No,
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  I did not state that at all. You are mischaracterizing
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  my words and what I said. What I said, what
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  we can all agree on, and I think at this
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  point there is not one person in this room, however
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  much you would like her to be younger, to say
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  she was not seventeen, because that has been a very
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  offensive thing that you have all done. So she was seventeen.
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  At seventeen, you are allowed to be a professional massuse,
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  and as far as I'm concerned, she was a professional massuse.
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  There is nothing inappropriate or incorrect about her coming over
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  at that time to give a massage. Her entire characterization
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  of her first time at the house was to me
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  an obvious lie, given it was impossible for her entire
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  story to have taken place, given I was speaking to
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  her mother the entire time she was at the house, McCauley,
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  So it was impossible that day, that first day, when
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  she came over and you were speaking to the mother,
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  for Virginia Roberts to have had sex with Jeffrey Epstein
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  during that time that you were outside with her mother.
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  Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation Maxwell You
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  again are completely mischaracterizing. I can only testify to what
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  I heard, and those obvious lies about me, and her
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  obvious lies about me are that she, as you put
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  out to the papers and every other which way, when
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  upstairs with her didn't happen. So that to me is
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  an absolute obvious lie. I also don't believe that her
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  her mischaracterization of the length of time she was there, because,
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  as I recall, she just met with Jeffrey and then
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  left with her mother. That's my recollection, McCauley. So you
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  were standing outside the entire time that Virginia was in
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  the house, Is that correct? Maxwell? That is correct, McCauley.
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  So you can testify as to whether or not do
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  you know, either from Jeffrey or any other source, whether
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  or not Virginia Roberts had sex with Jeffrey on the
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  first day that she was at the house. Maxwell, We
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  can categorically state absolutely one thousand percent that she did
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  not have any type of sexual relations as described by
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  you in your court papers that took place. Because those, allegedly,
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  according to her lies involved some aspects of me, as
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  I was standing outside with her mother the entire time,
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  her entire story is a lie. Therefore, to ask me
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  what she did or didn't do during that time, I
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  can only testify what she said about me, which was
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  one thousand percent false. All right, So we're gonna wrap
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  up there, and in the next episode we'll pick up
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  where we left off. All of the information that goes
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  with this episode can be found in the description box.