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The Paranormal and the Spirit of the Antichrist | JB Hixson · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: everybody to the podcast today. I'm here with JB. Hickson
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Speaker 1: and we are going to have a great time talking
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Speaker 1: about a lot of fun stuff. We get to venture
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Speaker 1: into the fringes.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my favorite place to venture.
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Speaker 1: That's where I like to me, I mean, from the
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Speaker 1: time I was a kid. And before we do, though,
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Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody of a couple things again
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Speaker 1: to keep on your mind, and that is our upcoming
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Speaker 1: conference in Norman, Oklahoma, October ninth through twelfth, and JB
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Speaker 1: you will be there. It'll be great. What did you
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Speaker 1: have a preliminary title, didn't you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping to do, assuming the big Guy approves it,
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping to do one on they Walk among Us,
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Speaker 2: Rise of the Cryptid Class. Yeah, we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: about some of that here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good.
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Speaker 2: And then my other one is going to be top
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Speaker 2: ten signs We're living in the Last of the Last Days.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good because you know here we are, which
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Speaker 1: we exactly believe we're living the last days, and so
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Speaker 1: we're trying to get the word out. I just got
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Speaker 1: back from a trip to down Under Australia and New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: It was so amazing to to just hang out with
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Speaker 1: God's people. I mean, and and you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: sobering because you go there and you think, oh, we
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Speaker 1: have it bad here in America with churches and and
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Speaker 1: and we do have a serious situation, but it's way
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Speaker 1: worse there. I mean, they can't even find a church.
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Speaker 1: It's like the UK when you go visit them God's
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Speaker 1: people there, they don't have a church at all that
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Speaker 1: even preaches the gospel. And so to let alone to
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Speaker 1: have one that actually preaches on prophecy. So that that
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Speaker 1: was an amazing time where we're encouraging them and we're
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Speaker 1: getting them to start out Bible studies and fellowships in
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Speaker 1: small groups and home groups. Because you know, the digital currency,
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Speaker 1: the digital uh not currency, digital passport or idea is
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Speaker 1: already installed, it's already in motion in Australia. So they're
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Speaker 1: farther along and realize that they really do live in
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Speaker 1: a police state.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you see our friend John Prescott when you.
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Speaker 1: Were Yes, I hung out with him quite a bit actually,
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Speaker 1: because he was organizing the trip in Melbourne and also
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Speaker 1: in gold coast and so we had a great time
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Speaker 1: to see what Again. We were on his show, his
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Speaker 1: podcast as well. There's just so much going on, and
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Speaker 1: so this is you know the people they say, why
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Speaker 1: are you doing conference? As well? We know that in
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Speaker 1: a few years ago you couldn't do a conference and
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Speaker 1: the gospel in many ways, or at least getting out
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Speaker 1: there in person, was shut down. And we see that's
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Speaker 1: that they're talking about doing it again. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt it worked once. That was a trial run,
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Speaker 1: and so that is the goal. So we're trying to
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Speaker 1: stay ahead of the game and to do some of
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Speaker 1: these travel trips we we can. The other thing that
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Speaker 1: we're doing in October, if you're interested, is we're doing
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Speaker 1: a seven Churches of Revelation tour. I'll be with Billy
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Speaker 1: Crone and Ken Michael from all of Dream Ministries, and
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Speaker 1: we're going to start in Athens. We're going to go
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Speaker 1: to Corinth and we're going to head down to Egypt
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Speaker 1: and then to Cyprus and to see again all the
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Speaker 1: places that Paul went. We went to my Leaders, we
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Speaker 1: went to Troy Ads. It's pretty amazing. You know, I
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Speaker 1: was doing the message right there on Troaz and I'm like, look,
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Speaker 1: here we are, here's the ancient archaeological doc this was
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Speaker 1: the harbor and so clearly Paul was came off the
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Speaker 1: ship right here and up into the area and you
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Speaker 1: pull out the scripture. So it's pretty phenomenal to go
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Speaker 1: and to go to the Seven Churches as well. And
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Speaker 1: this particular tour is we're going to go to the
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Speaker 1: Drupner site, which is in eastern Turkey, which is one
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Speaker 1: of the candidates for Noah's Ark. They're doing some late
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Speaker 1: recent research. I'm interested to see what developments. I'm skeptical
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Speaker 1: as you should be, but I want to see what
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Speaker 1: is the new investigations that they've done there, and so
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Speaker 1: we'll be doing that. But anyways, if you're interested in
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Speaker 1: taking on that trip with this would be a great time.
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Speaker 1: Go to propswatches dot com, click on the events tab,
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Speaker 1: scroll down to the bottom and you can get all
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Speaker 1: the information there. But nothing like seeing stuff in person
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Speaker 1: and opening the Bible ups. It's pretty awesome. So here
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Speaker 1: we are. We you're here in town. So I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to get your your thoughts on a variety of things,
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Speaker 1: but maybe let's jump in and kind of work backwards
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Speaker 1: but cryptids, what does that even mean?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so cryptid refers to bipedal animals that don't show
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Speaker 2: up in a list of biological animals, right, So it's
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Speaker 2: it's like a non it's it's an entity that biology
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Speaker 2: hasn't recognized officially, but yet right, they don't. They don't
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Speaker 2: have a corpse, but yet they're seen all over and
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Speaker 2: they come up in my series on Spirit of the
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Speaker 2: Antichrist because one of the things that we're seeing an
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Speaker 2: increase in is phenomena and paranormal type activities. The closer
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Speaker 2: we get to the return of the Lord and that
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Speaker 2: manifests itself through these types of creatures. So we get
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Speaker 2: into a lot of strange ones in the book, and
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Speaker 2: the question isn't uh do they exist? Because there's no
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Speaker 2: question they exist, it's very well attested. The question is
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Speaker 2: what are they and what's the real story here? So
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Speaker 2: that's what we talk about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's interesting that we've come into an
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Speaker 1: age where and you discussed this in the book too,
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Speaker 1: which is very helpful that you get these labels conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: You've talked about the origination of that term. Maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: share with us the origination of that term and how
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Speaker 1: it's used.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you trace back the first instance of
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Speaker 2: that term conspiracy theory, it goes all the way back
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Speaker 2: to I think it's nineteen sixty. I want to say seven.
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Speaker 2: It might be sixty five. I've got the exact dates
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Speaker 2: in the book. But the CIA was struggling with the
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Speaker 2: reaction to the Warren Commission after JFK's assassination. So many
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Speaker 2: people just were not having it.
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Speaker 1: They didn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just so full of apathetically. The magic
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Speaker 2: bullet and all this stuff just didn't make sense. And
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Speaker 2: so they said, we got to do something about this.
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Speaker 2: We've got to disc credit the truth movement that was
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Speaker 2: attacking the Warren Commission, and so they they we've the
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Speaker 2: document has been released, because it's been over fifty years,
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Speaker 2: it's it's very clear. I forget the number, but it
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Speaker 2: was a psyop. It was stamped psy Opus Psychological Operation,
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Speaker 2: and it was part of the Clandestine Services Group and
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Speaker 2: it says, let's, you know, let's create this term conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theorist as a just an ad hominem attacked what it
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Speaker 2: is on these people, and it's stuck. And then there's
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Speaker 2: been books written about it. Cass Sunstein, who was big
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Speaker 2: in the Obama administration. He's written books about it. It's
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Speaker 2: called memetic hegemony. It's advancing your power and control over
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Speaker 2: someone through the use of memes. And they teach courses
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Speaker 2: on it at Harvard and it's again there's journal articles
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Speaker 2: written about it. It's become quite the thing to create
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Speaker 2: a label and then use it to allegedly settle the issues.
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Speaker 2: You're a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. End of discussion, no
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Speaker 2: dealing with the substance, the facts, the issues. It's just,
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Speaker 2: you know, with an imperious wave of the hand, I've
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Speaker 2: declared you that, so you can't be right and that
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: This is the This is like the number one fallacy
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Speaker 1: logical fallacy of the ad hominem attack, where again against
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Speaker 1: the person. So I'm not going to address your your
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Speaker 1: substance of your argument. I'm going to attack you personally
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Speaker 1: and throw again the label on you, and therefore discussion
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Speaker 1: is over as if you've proven something. And again a
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Speaker 1: logical fallacy is that's not an argument, that's not a
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Speaker 1: logical answer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Or what it ends up doing is that it
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Speaker 2: shifts the whole argument and now you get defensive, trying
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Speaker 2: to defend your yourself. Yes, and then you've caught lost
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Speaker 2: sight of what the original discussion was about. You end
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Speaker 2: up just saying, well, I'm not a bad person and
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Speaker 2: I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and you're defending yourself, and
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Speaker 2: so they've shifted the focus off of the real issue.
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, and it's probably pretty obvious,
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Speaker 1: but how successful was that SiO?
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Speaker 2: It was hugely successful, huge and it's still being used.
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Speaker 1: Today, be used.
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Speaker 2: We still see it all over the place. Anybody that
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Speaker 2: dares to question the official narrative is considered a conspiracy theorist.
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Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that you know, whenever you've got
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Speaker 2: two opposing views, the official narrative and the alternative narrative
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Speaker 2: that people are speculating, Hey this, this may not be accurate.
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Speaker 2: Let me give you an alternative hypothesis. They're both conspiracies
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Speaker 2: and they're both theories. Why is one of them just
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Speaker 2: dismissed out of hand and the other one is accepted
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Speaker 2: as true? So yeah, it's very successful.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing this right now as well, because you know, again,
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Speaker 1: as always, the only person I endorse hundred percentage Jesus
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Speaker 1: Christ of course, but I see this right now. It
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Speaker 1: was it was actually quite pleasurable and entertaining to see
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Speaker 1: RFK Junior in front of Congress because talk about these
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Speaker 1: very left wing i'll say it that way democratic talking
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Speaker 1: points in that like they picked the wrong guy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're coming with their talking points. And this is a
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Speaker 1: guy that's been studying the data for thirty years and
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Speaker 1: he's got a photographic memory of the data and the
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Speaker 1: research and the studies and this and that, and so
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Speaker 1: they come up and they say these things and he's like,
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Speaker 1: well that's not true, and he whips. But yet they
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Speaker 1: just say, well, you're you know. And I remember reading
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Speaker 1: an article by another PhD astrophysicist who who I love
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Speaker 1: is astrophysics. But he starts he's he's starting to venture
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Speaker 1: into politics, and he said, oh, these are clearly the
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Speaker 1: most safe and effective vaccines that have ever existed. It's amazing,
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Speaker 1: and he's drinking the kool aid.
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Speaker 2: It's super smart guy.
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Speaker 1: But then he makes the comment that before the current
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Speaker 1: health administration, you could trust in everything that the CDC,
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Speaker 1: and I was like and so, and he said, the
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Speaker 1: current administration is based on conspiracy theory and everything else
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Speaker 1: and so here he was using the phraseology.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's it's very pervasive and
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Speaker 2: in in government, in higher education, in academia. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean, never mind that the CDC once said smoking
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Speaker 2: cigarettes is safe and effective, it doesn't hurt you, and
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Speaker 2: again and again all all. You know, they finally, you know,
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Speaker 2: released I talked about this in volume one of the
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Speaker 2: Spirit of the Antichrist books. You know, they finally released
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Speaker 2: an internal study that they hid for ever, and it
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Speaker 2: finally leaked out that their own internal studies said that
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Speaker 2: vaccines cause autism or ASD spectrum. And uh. And and
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Speaker 2: yet they continue to this day today. Yeah, so yeah,
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Speaker 2: it is fun to watch people that are armed with facts.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: And then all the other persons left with is just
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Speaker 2: their labels.
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Speaker 1: Their labels, you know. Well, you know, and let's go
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Speaker 1: back to the cryptis per minute, because you know, the
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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that again, this is another one
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Speaker 1: that's in the in the in the fringe area. But
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Speaker 1: yet if we look at the Bible as an example,
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Speaker 1: are entire I guess I'll say it this way. I
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Speaker 1: The illustration I think about is if I was to
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Speaker 1: ask you and you can ask a secular person this,
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Speaker 1: but on a scale of one to one hundred, and
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Speaker 1: you can, you can do tenth of percentages. How much
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Speaker 1: one hundred being one hundred percent? Fact, do you think
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Speaker 1: that George Washington existed?
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Speaker 2: Percent?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever met him? Uh? No, I have a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I haven't. You haven't ever seen his body.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen his body.
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Speaker 1: So then so what are you basing that one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent on? Uh?
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Speaker 2: Well, I have been to his homestead, but again I
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Speaker 2: haven't been there when he was there. Okay, so history
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Speaker 2: just yeah, I would just testimony right right.
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Speaker 1: So it comes to epistemology that when the reason I
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Speaker 1: bring it up that way is because you know from
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Speaker 1: a scientific perspective and you and you see this again
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Speaker 1: again even in archaeology, is that it's and this astrophysic.
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Speaker 1: Everything is empirical, empirical based, empirical based, and so you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: everything's truth is in miracle, which is repeatable. Right, And
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Speaker 1: you go, well, again asking that question, do you believe
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Speaker 1: what's your percentage on George Washing? And you go, oh,
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Speaker 1: so there's other ways to know things besides empiricism and
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Speaker 1: see for them, and that God he doesn't believe in God.
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Speaker 1: He's an atheist, you know, et cetera. But we recognize
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Speaker 1: the value he does too of eyewitness testimony. Of course
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Speaker 1: I believe he is because there was eyewitnesses.
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Speaker 2: He's honest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, if he's honest and so. But we
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Speaker 1: also see that in Luke chapter one, right, he says, Hey,
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Speaker 1: Luke says, I went around and I witness this person.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to this person into all these proofs. So
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Speaker 1: he's basing the Bible very much. It has apistemology of
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Speaker 1: eyewitness testing.
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Speaker 2: Say it really does. That reminds me of John's words
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Speaker 2: near the end of his life. And first John, he
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Speaker 2: begins his letter. You know, keep in mind, this is
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Speaker 2: John the Apostle, probably fifty to sixty years after the resurrection.
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Speaker 2: So he's old, he's old, and he walked with Christ,
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Speaker 2: and he talked to him, and he says that which
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Speaker 2: was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we
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Speaker 2: have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon
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Speaker 2: and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life,
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Speaker 2: that that's which we have seen and heard. We declare
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Speaker 2: to you, Yeah, I mean I never saw Jesus in person,
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Speaker 2: did you Nope, all right, but we believe in it.
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Speaker 1: We believe them. Yeah, Peter says, you haven't seen him,
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Speaker 1: but you love them. Yeah, and so in the same way.
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Speaker 1: So that all that background there to say, when you
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Speaker 1: think about you asked a question about existence, you know, Bigfoot,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. When you have thousands and tens and tens
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Speaker 1: of thousands of eyewitness testimonies, does that mean every one
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Speaker 1: of them's correct. No, just like all the testimonies you
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Speaker 1: see of UFOs, that doesn't mean they could have seen venus.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that. But what you have you
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Speaker 1: have enough to where the preponderance of evidence is clear
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Speaker 1: that you have You might have a police officer or
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Speaker 1: sheriff or other, a well known hunter that they're in
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Speaker 1: the foods their entire life. They know what a bear is,
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Speaker 1: and you probably saw a bear. I mean, that's insulting,
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Speaker 1: honestly to an expert. But the test the eyewitness testimony
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Speaker 1: for the existence of these things is overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it transcends literally centuries if you go back
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Speaker 2: and really dig deep all over the world, different continents,
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Speaker 2: and it actually would be more absurd of a conspirat,
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Speaker 2: of a fake conspiracy to think that it's all made
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Speaker 2: up than it is to believe it's real. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's no way you could have that much cohesion with
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Speaker 2: all these different stories and the details are always the same,
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Speaker 2: you know, depending on the region, the red eyes, the
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Speaker 2: you know whatever, the sounds and these are people that
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Speaker 2: lived one hundred years apart in different parts of the
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Speaker 2: world and they're saying the same thing. How do you
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Speaker 2: explain that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. So you know, at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, you know, this isn't really about Bigfoot,
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Speaker 1: except to say that you why did you include it
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Speaker 1: in the book? Maybe share that again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first of all, I've always been interested in
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing as part of my journey since
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Speaker 2: we've woke up Wendy and I to the reality that
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Speaker 2: we've been lied to about so many things. Not everything
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Speaker 2: is as it appears. We left no stone unturned and we're.
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Speaker 1: Still doing it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's still topics I'd like to research that
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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued bying new things coming up. So it's a
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Speaker 2: lifelong journey of study, as it should be with anything,
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Speaker 2: but this whole notion of Bigfoot and other you know,
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Speaker 2: chup of Cabras and slender Man and wolf Man and
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Speaker 2: dog Man and skinwalkers, skin Walkers, b e ks, which
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Speaker 2: I talk about that these are some of the ones
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about at the conference in November, I
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Speaker 2: mean October. So I've always been kind of interested in it,
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Speaker 2: and you know, we've listened to a lot of podcasts
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Speaker 2: about Bigfoot and read a lot of books about Bigfoot
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Speaker 2: and UH. And when our kids were younger and they
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Speaker 2: would be with us traveling, we would try to, you know,
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Speaker 2: see sites like we went to the side of the
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Speaker 2: Montalk Monster by the way up in the Hampton's Uh.
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Speaker 2: That's a famous cryptid of sorts or certainly a famous monster,
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Speaker 2: you know, non human uh. And we took them to
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Speaker 2: the big guest most notable Bigfoot Museum in the Blue
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Speaker 2: Ridge Mountains. That was fascinating. Of course, the museum had
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Speaker 2: a lot of interesting artifacts, but their whole premise is
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Speaker 2: that it's biological. So we didn't buy the premise, but
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Speaker 2: we certainly the data was speaks for itself, the newspaper articles,
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Speaker 2: the clippings, the stories. So it's always been interested in it.
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Speaker 2: But you know, why did I include it the book?
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Speaker 2: We know one of the things that's going to happen
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Speaker 2: the closer we get to the rapture is a rise
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Speaker 2: in phenomena. When things heat up on Earth, they're going
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Speaker 2: to heat up in the heavenlies or you know, because
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Speaker 2: they're heating up in the heavenlies. And so ever since
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Speaker 2: you know, World War two and the dawn of the
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Speaker 2: modern Ufo era, which I connect UFOs and cryptids and
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Speaker 2: other phenomenalistic type stuff, we've seen a rise in this
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Speaker 2: stuff that's not explainable because it's ultimately a spiritual battle.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing Satan and his you know, celestial beings on
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Speaker 2: his side do battle with God and good angels and
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Speaker 2: it's just exploding and uh. And so it's interesting that
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Speaker 2: there has been a steep incline, almost like a hockey
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Speaker 2: stick graph of sightings. And it's not just because we
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Speaker 2: have better eyesight. Now, yeah, you know, these are not
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Speaker 2: the kind of things you're looking through a telescope to see.
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Speaker 2: You're walking around hunting or whatever, and you see them
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Speaker 2: and the people are seeing them everywhere, now you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so, so you have an increase again
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Speaker 1: in the paranormal and and to me, this is this
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Speaker 1: in the West at least in the United States, we
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Speaker 1: have such a we have such a block I think
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Speaker 1: on the we're so scientific, right again, and these were
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Speaker 1: unless you can touch, taste, it doesn't exist. And so
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, God doesn't just because we
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Speaker 1: can't put them in a test tube or measure him
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Speaker 1: or whatever. And again this this reliance on empirical you know, again, epistemology,
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Speaker 1: how do we know things? Which again is only one
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Speaker 1: side of it. But I think C. S. Lewis talked
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Speaker 1: about this where on one hand, late in the screw
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Speaker 1: Jay Bletters, where he on one hand, there's an over
18:03
Speaker 1: emphasis and on the spiritual realm, and then you become
18:07
Speaker 1: part a witch or you become seeking, you know, part
18:10
Speaker 1: of the doing that craft, you know, satanist, I guess.
18:12
Speaker 1: And the other side is the empiricists, the materialists, the naturalists.
18:15
Speaker 1: That says, oh, but clearly there's nothing. And so obviously
18:18
Speaker 1: those are the two extremes. To ignore them all together
18:22
Speaker 1: or embrace them too much. Yeah, And so I think
18:24
Speaker 1: in our country we were probably more towards the naturalistic side,
18:28
Speaker 1: no doubt, rather than living in Jamaica where there's voodoo
18:31
Speaker 1: and other things. But it works. It keeps people blind
18:34
Speaker 1: to the reality of.
18:35
Speaker 2: The spiritual, So it really does. My latest book, which
18:37
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about before, The Great Last Day's Apostasy,
18:40
Speaker 2: has a chapter on epistemology Why do you believe what
18:42
Speaker 2: you believe? And I have a chart that shows all
18:44
Speaker 2: the different influences on why we think we know what
18:49
Speaker 2: we know. And you know, all of them have some merit,
18:53
Speaker 2: they have their place, yes, but none of them can
18:56
Speaker 2: stand alone as the ultimate arbiter of truth. And so
19:00
Speaker 2: the fact that there are hoaxes and there are false
19:04
Speaker 2: sightings does not eliminate the fact that there are real ones, right,
19:08
Speaker 2: So because.
19:09
Speaker 1: That's always the case, right, That's almost like a go
19:11
Speaker 1: out there and have Dug and Dave, like for crop
19:14
Speaker 1: circles as an example, go out Dug and Dave with
19:16
Speaker 1: their boards and see there it is. It's all a
19:18
Speaker 1: bunch of hoax and you're like, that's a syop. It
19:21
Speaker 1: seems like itself, because I mean, do you get into
19:25
Speaker 1: cross you get I think.
19:26
Speaker 2: I know, I get into animal mutilations. I can't remember
19:31
Speaker 2: if that section discusses crop circles. I've certainly talked about
19:34
Speaker 2: it in conferences and from stages before. But yeah, this
19:38
Speaker 2: is stuff that you know, you can't explain it any
19:41
Speaker 2: other way. It's not empirical in the sense of you
19:44
Speaker 2: could explain it other than something really weird is happening.
19:48
Speaker 1: And it is a real event. I mean you think
19:51
Speaker 1: about again, just going with that with crop circles, where
19:55
Speaker 1: many of them appear in seconds and somebody was there
20:00
Speaker 1: there and the next thing you're like, well, there so
20:01
Speaker 1: that Doug and Dave are not out there, and some
20:03
Speaker 1: of them are so sophisticated. You know that Again there
20:05
Speaker 1: are hoaxes, but there are people out there in bigfoot suits,
20:09
Speaker 1: you know, doing videos whatever. But again it goes back
20:12
Speaker 1: to the idea that the paranormal is increasing, and it
20:14
Speaker 1: reminds me. I guess in my mind, I think of
20:17
Speaker 1: the book Revelation during the during the tribulation period of
20:19
Speaker 1: seventy seventieth Week of Daniel. Where are my question, do
20:25
Speaker 1: you think there will be Will there be any atheists
20:28
Speaker 1: during the during the seventy week of Daniel? I mean,
20:31
Speaker 1: supernaturalism is gonna be you would.
20:34
Speaker 2: Think no, But you know, I don't know if you'd
20:36
Speaker 2: strictly call him atheists, but there's certainly going to be
20:38
Speaker 2: people as revelation, laments that nevertheless still unrepented, are unrepentant.
20:44
Speaker 1: But there demons right right, right, So that's what I mean,
20:47
Speaker 1: is there maybe they're they're supernatural, will there will there
20:50
Speaker 1: be any non supernaturalists. They're obviously going to believe in
20:53
Speaker 1: the like again your book Spirit of the False Prophet,
20:56
Speaker 1: he's gonna be doing, you know.
20:57
Speaker 2: Signs and wondering. Yeah, there's definitely gonna be you know,
21:01
Speaker 2: I think that'll bring about the death of empiricism at
21:04
Speaker 2: some point, because it's all around you. But you know,
21:07
Speaker 2: the sad thing is, unfortunately, and this is by design,
21:10
Speaker 2: most Christians have fallen into this trap as well, and
21:13
Speaker 2: that's because of the influence of public schooling and again
21:16
Speaker 2: Satan's deception. But most Christians, even though it's plain as
21:20
Speaker 2: day right here in Ephesian six, we do not wrestle
21:23
Speaker 2: against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against
21:26
Speaker 2: the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual
21:28
Speaker 2: host of wickedness in the heavenly places. That's supernatural stuff,
21:32
Speaker 2: that's unseen realm, right, that's not physicality. And yet most
21:37
Speaker 2: Christians just dismiss it. They just think, Oh, this is crazy.
21:41
Speaker 2: There's no real magic, it's all fake, and there's no
21:44
Speaker 2: real spiritism. It's all fake. No, it's very real, and
21:47
Speaker 2: it's increasing, which is why so many Christians today are
21:51
Speaker 2: more deceived than ever before. In my opinion, you.
21:54
Speaker 1: Know, sadly, I think, when did we again what you
21:57
Speaker 1: just read there? As Christians? Where we read about Ani,
22:00
Speaker 1: we read about the Resurrection, we read about other supernatural events.
22:05
Speaker 1: When did we think that those only that, those only
22:08
Speaker 1: are in that book? Yeah, pages with letters on it.
22:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think. I know it's largely a
22:15
Speaker 2: rhetorical question, but still I think if you go back
22:18
Speaker 2: through time and you see the rise of the modern era,
22:22
Speaker 2: when we couldn't do so much, people, even unbelievers, had
22:26
Speaker 2: a greater sense of dependency on providence, on God, on
22:29
Speaker 2: the creator faith, because they had to trust God for
22:34
Speaker 2: the very necessities of life. Right if it didn't rain,
22:37
Speaker 2: you didn't eat, You couldn't run to Walmart and buy
22:40
Speaker 2: some mac and cheese. So as time went on and
22:43
Speaker 2: we become advanced, now we can do most anything ourselves.
22:48
Speaker 2: We don't need God. And therefore, when believers get to
22:52
Speaker 2: a point where they're back is against the wall, and
22:54
Speaker 2: there's some crisis, some heartache, some difficulty in life that
22:58
Speaker 2: is beyond their control. It's it's hard for them to
23:02
Speaker 2: trust the Lord. Yeah, they get they they despair. But
23:05
Speaker 2: we need to understand that there's some weird stuff coming.
23:10
Speaker 2: There's some weird stuff already here. And you better have
23:12
Speaker 2: a biblical like Solomon says, you better have an above
23:15
Speaker 2: the sun mentality, not just below the son.
23:18
Speaker 1: You know, how do we maintain the balance in that,
23:21
Speaker 1: you know, when, for example, if we look at the
23:26
Speaker 1: study of ancient you know, deities, little gods. You know,
23:31
Speaker 1: obviously there's only one God in that sense, but these
23:33
Speaker 1: these spirits, if we say it that way, it's probably
23:35
Speaker 1: better and people will get less offended by that, you know,
23:38
Speaker 1: but they won't, well they probably won't. But so these
23:41
Speaker 1: these ancient spirits that are real demonic entities or even
23:44
Speaker 1: fallen angels, however you want to phrase it. But for example,
23:47
Speaker 1: you have many that were connected with you know, sexual perversion,
23:50
Speaker 1: you know, the whole you know, homosexual movement or whatever.
23:54
Speaker 1: And now we see this enforce all the gender confusion
23:58
Speaker 1: in our country. Is that that movement, that that increase
24:03
Speaker 1: really from twenty fifteen right when the Supreme Court ruled
24:06
Speaker 1: that you can have marriage between you know, homosexual marriage
24:12
Speaker 1: is an entity at the at the behind that is
24:15
Speaker 1: an entity behind that because again I don't want to say, oh,
24:18
Speaker 1: there's an entity of demonic entity behind the bush, behind
24:20
Speaker 1: that bush, behind that. But so you have these extremes,
24:23
Speaker 1: but how do we how do we balance the middle?
24:25
Speaker 1: Was there an entity pushing.
24:27
Speaker 2: I mean, most likely, I would say, I would say yes.
24:29
Speaker 2: I mean Ephesian six clearly talks about ranks and territories
24:34
Speaker 2: and so forth. And we know just from the dark
24:39
Speaker 2: Side and documentation of people, you know, testimonies about this
24:42
Speaker 2: type of incubus and succubus and things like that, that
24:45
Speaker 2: there's some commonality to it all and that define that
24:49
Speaker 2: demands some type of originating force, in this case a
24:54
Speaker 2: demonic entity or whatever. So I don't think we can
24:57
Speaker 2: cite chapter and verse about that specific entity, but we
25:01
Speaker 2: certainly it fits within the biblical theological paradigm.
25:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean that that I appreciate that clarification
25:08
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm not saying it's a demon of homosexuality necessarily,
25:13
Speaker 1: but what you see is the rise in immorality, the
25:16
Speaker 1: rise in wickedness and evil at a at a national
25:20
Speaker 1: type level or societal type level, is the work of
25:24
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of these of these principalities and powers, these
25:27
Speaker 1: spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenlys right in the
25:30
Speaker 1: high places.
25:30
Speaker 2: And we you know, we've seen it. Lots of people
25:33
Speaker 2: have seen it. As we travel the country and in
25:36
Speaker 2: different regions, you just sense a darkness, you sense a heaviness.
25:42
Speaker 2: You know there's something there. And and people a lot
25:44
Speaker 2: smarter than me that have researched this a lot more
25:46
Speaker 2: than me, will tell you there are certain regions that
25:50
Speaker 2: are very, very dark.
25:51
Speaker 1: And have a using the phrase maybe have a greater
25:55
Speaker 1: level of stronghold or something.
25:56
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, especially places like Indian reservations yep, as we
26:01
Speaker 2: talk about in the book when we talk about skinwalkers,
26:04
Speaker 2: you know, northeast Utah, the Indian Reservation Sedona in my
26:09
Speaker 2: home state of Colorado, one of the top five if
26:11
Speaker 2: you just google it, one of the top five paranormal
26:13
Speaker 2: sites is in Elbert County, Colorado, not five minutes from
26:16
Speaker 2: where we live.
26:17
Speaker 1: Wow.
26:17
Speaker 2: So I mean there's some spiritual stuff going on. Remember,
26:22
Speaker 2: Satan obviously is not omnipresent, and there are a finite
26:25
Speaker 2: number of his evil celestial beings. Even if you include
26:28
Speaker 2: all the different classes, they can't cover the globe entirely.
26:32
Speaker 2: So the whole world is under his sway first John five.
26:37
Speaker 2: But there are places where they focus for a season
26:42
Speaker 2: or indefinitely, and others that are less.
26:45
Speaker 1: So you know, I had a friend told story where
26:48
Speaker 1: he was. He was living in a very remote place
26:54
Speaker 1: in South America, and in the village that he was in,
26:57
Speaker 1: and as he was there, he every week he would
27:01
Speaker 1: have every Tuesday night was the prayer meeting. So there
27:03
Speaker 1: was the local people in the church, you know, maybe
27:06
Speaker 1: ten of them they'd have in their prayer meeting. Well
27:08
Speaker 1: then I don't know. They were there for a while,
27:10
Speaker 1: a few months, and then all of a sudden, one
27:11
Speaker 1: day gets a knock on the door and it's the
27:14
Speaker 1: local shaman, and the shaman's you know, very nice guys, like, hey,
27:19
Speaker 1: you know, I know that you're new to the area
27:22
Speaker 1: and new to the village, and uh, he said, uh,
27:25
Speaker 1: I know, you guys get together because it's it's a
27:27
Speaker 1: small village. Everybody knows everything. He goes, I know, you
27:29
Speaker 1: guys get together on Tuesday night, And I'm asking if
27:32
Speaker 1: you'll move your meeting to Wednesday night. And he's like, well,
27:37
Speaker 1: why would you ask that? And he goes, well, we're
27:40
Speaker 1: doing our incantations on Tuesday nights with all of art,
27:42
Speaker 1: and it's not working. It's impact, it's impacting our seriously
27:47
Speaker 1: and and and so it was like just them getting
27:51
Speaker 1: together praying was impacting that they're real. I mean, it
27:54
Speaker 1: was a real they had a real connection with their
27:57
Speaker 1: with their demonic beings, and prayer was causing a difference.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. See, people have no idea that that kind of
28:03
Speaker 2: story repeats itself countless times all across across the globe,
28:07
Speaker 2: and it's there's a very real spiritual realm and spiritual battle.
28:11
Speaker 2: I have a friend who was a missionary in South
28:13
Speaker 2: America on the Amazon for years. In fact, some of
28:15
Speaker 2: his kids were born there, and he was working with
28:19
Speaker 2: the Yanomamo tribe. And he tells the story and I'm
28:22
Speaker 2: not going to mention his name where you know all
28:24
Speaker 2: the details. I'm sure I have some of the details
28:27
Speaker 2: wrong anyway, but the gist of it was he was
28:30
Speaker 2: there when a helicopter and it was very remote, I mean,
28:36
Speaker 2: and a helicopter arrives and these dignitaries get off and
28:40
Speaker 2: it was I think if I remember, at five or six,
28:42
Speaker 2: and one of them was David Rockefeller. Oh, and the
28:46
Speaker 2: story they were told was these elites wanted to see
28:48
Speaker 2: how these remote tribes worked or whatever, while my friend
28:51
Speaker 2: went on to explain that one of the local witch
28:53
Speaker 2: doctors met and Rockefeller and these people didn't know anything
28:58
Speaker 2: about these people, but she he knew because he'd been
29:01
Speaker 2: living with him for fifteen years. She cast a spell
29:04
Speaker 2: right before his eyes on David Rockefeller. And this was
29:07
Speaker 2: years ago, and you know, you can't help but wonder
29:10
Speaker 2: the impact of that then on this guy who then
29:12
Speaker 2: becomes so influential with council point relations, triladroal commissions, so
29:16
Speaker 2: many evil agendas. Of course, he died in twenty seventeen,
29:18
Speaker 2: but still, I mean, these are the kinds of seemingly
29:22
Speaker 2: in you know, innocuous little incidents or you know, it's
29:26
Speaker 2: not innocuous to think of a witch doctor forming a spell,
29:29
Speaker 2: but still in that isolated thing, and yet it has
29:32
Speaker 2: global impact because it's a spiritual battle.
29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how does this what's you know, your pastor
29:41
Speaker 1: what's the what's the Christian's tool set to to do
29:44
Speaker 1: to war against us. Use you read Pesian six twelve.
29:47
Speaker 1: We wrestle, We war, not against flesh and blood. So
29:50
Speaker 1: it's not the human, it's the it's the power behind
29:52
Speaker 1: the human, which is where the war is. Paul's very clear.
29:55
Speaker 1: What's our what's our tool?
29:56
Speaker 2: Well, the word the living, you know, infallible world of God,
30:00
Speaker 2: it's a lamp to our feet, alie to our path.
30:01
Speaker 2: It's quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword. Remember,
30:06
Speaker 2: demons and angelic beings cannot read minds. I mean they're trying,
30:10
Speaker 2: and they're using biodigital convergence and chemicals and all kinds
30:13
Speaker 2: of things to control the mind. But you need to
30:16
Speaker 2: pray out loud. So you pray and you they flee.
30:20
Speaker 2: We see that again and again in scripture and the Gospels,
30:23
Speaker 2: and we see it from anecdotal evidence on the mission field.
30:26
Speaker 2: So it's a spiritual battle. You're not you know, greater
30:30
Speaker 2: is he who is in you than he was in
30:31
Speaker 2: the world. And if we will remember that and stand
30:36
Speaker 2: stand our ground, that's what it says, right six ten twelve,
30:39
Speaker 2: Stand stand stand there, stand firm, Stand firm, yep. So
30:43
Speaker 2: you know we don't have to flee. We don't have
30:44
Speaker 2: to worry resist the devil. He will flee from you.
30:48
Speaker 2: James says, so. But the problem is most Christians are
30:51
Speaker 2: ill equipped to even recognize the battle, much less engage
30:56
Speaker 2: it properly.
30:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with you know, the the rest of that paste,
31:00
Speaker 1: you know, taking up the shield of faith, and the
31:02
Speaker 1: sort of the spirit, and and the preparation of the Gospel,
31:04
Speaker 1: and you have a variety of things there that to me,
31:09
Speaker 1: it's when you live a life of faith. You know,
31:12
Speaker 1: it's not so much. Oh you know, as I've talked
31:14
Speaker 1: through this before, you hear people say, well, every morning
31:16
Speaker 1: I get up and I I put on I pray
31:19
Speaker 1: on the armor of God, and you're like, oh, that's wonderful.
31:21
Speaker 1: And then you know, two hours later, you know, their
31:24
Speaker 1: car breaks down and they're completely distraught and they're like,
31:28
Speaker 1: and I was like, where's your faith? I thought, didn't
31:30
Speaker 1: you just put on faith this morning? So it's not
31:32
Speaker 1: so much. Prayer is always good, but it's how you
31:35
Speaker 1: live when you live of righteousness, you know, when you
31:38
Speaker 1: live prayer for the Gospel, when you live with faith,
31:40
Speaker 1: when you live with the word the Raima, you know
31:44
Speaker 1: that will be your weapons.
31:46
Speaker 2: You know, seventeen the sword of the Spirit, which is
31:48
Speaker 2: the word of God, and then eighteen praying all the ways. Yes,
31:51
Speaker 2: not just to start your day, but in the moment.
31:53
Speaker 1: Yes, So when the things happen, you're like, God's got this.
31:56
Speaker 1: I you know again, I'm living in faith. It's to me.
31:58
Speaker 1: It reminds me again, I'm second ten. The weapons of
32:01
Speaker 1: a warfare not cardinal, but they're mighty to take down arguments.
32:04
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of where I think in all this,
32:06
Speaker 1: we see the paramount o stuff, we see the reality,
32:09
Speaker 1: but I would say, I mean, just throwing it out there,
32:13
Speaker 1: ninety ninety percent of the battle happens right here in
32:15
Speaker 1: the mind taking because well, every take down, every argument
32:19
Speaker 1: that could result itself against the authority of Christ.
32:21
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Paul send Colossus too. Don't be cap don't
32:24
Speaker 2: be held captive by the world's philosophy, the world's thinking.
32:29
Speaker 1: You know.
32:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, you know, it's easy to
32:32
Speaker 2: sit here and talk about faith, but I'm terrible at it.
32:35
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm that guy that when best something
32:38
Speaker 2: bad happens, you just oh me and what now what
32:41
Speaker 2: am I going to do? And then get so distraught
32:43
Speaker 2: like you said, so it's it's much easier said than done,
32:46
Speaker 2: but I think we need to be prepared. And this
32:49
Speaker 2: is this is really what I'm trying to explain in
32:51
Speaker 2: these books, is that things are happening rapidly. They're serious.
32:55
Speaker 2: It's an end of the age type stuff. This is
32:58
Speaker 2: a new day, and the enemy is ratcheting up every
33:01
Speaker 2: one of his weapons. Christians mostly are asleep at the wheel.
33:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one of the things that I would
33:06
Speaker 1: like to ian. We've been talking a lot about paranormal
33:09
Speaker 1: which you bring up in the book. The other thing
33:11
Speaker 1: that you bring up in there too is the or
33:14
Speaker 1: in the books the series is the whole role of technology.
33:17
Speaker 1: And yet do you think do you think that the
33:21
Speaker 1: advances that we're making in technology, I'm just curious. I
33:26
Speaker 1: know there's no scripture, but are they satanically inspired or
33:29
Speaker 1: God inspired or can we even know?
33:32
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we can say both are probably
33:36
Speaker 2: true in different different ways or ways in different instances.
33:40
Speaker 2: We know Satan uses technology. I've had experts on technology
33:44
Speaker 2: on and talked about can can demons influence or impact
33:50
Speaker 2: or even inhabit inanimate objects and that kind of thing,
33:53
Speaker 2: And it seems clear enough. I mean the whole hitchhiker effect.
33:58
Speaker 2: We know that. You know, why is it when some
34:02
Speaker 2: lamp or trinket moves from house to house to house,
34:05
Speaker 2: bad things happen? And yet you know a lot of
34:08
Speaker 2: Christians know, well, you know, demons can only in dwell
34:11
Speaker 2: unbeliever human beings. Well, there's a lot that's overly simplistic.
34:16
Speaker 2: There's more to it than that. I get that we
34:18
Speaker 2: can have a and should have a clear biblical theology
34:21
Speaker 2: of demonology and angelology, but there's you know, either those
34:26
Speaker 2: demons are following that trinket or and taking up camp
34:31
Speaker 2: somewhere else, or that person's just the unluckiest person in
34:33
Speaker 2: the world and every place he goes happens to already
34:36
Speaker 2: have a resident demon or group of them there.
34:39
Speaker 1: Well, and there's there's a reality too that where you
34:41
Speaker 1: have maybe it like again a shaman or witch doctor
34:44
Speaker 1: or you know, voodoo practitioner, where they will curse or
34:49
Speaker 1: put a spell on an item and then they'll send
34:51
Speaker 1: it to somebody.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, I mean.
34:53
Speaker 1: That's so what does that mean? You know, is an
34:56
Speaker 1: entity following that and we're not necessarily saying it's possessing it,
34:58
Speaker 1: but is it following it is it there's some sort
35:00
Speaker 1: of connection to that physical object.
35:02
Speaker 2: Voodoo. I mean that's what, that's what the whole concept
35:04
Speaker 2: of voodoo is. Yeah, it's yeah. I mean again, we're
35:07
Speaker 2: not trying to scare people here. It's a reality. What
35:11
Speaker 2: I want people to see is there is a dark,
35:16
Speaker 2: dark side to this cosmic battle that's been raging for
35:19
Speaker 2: six thousand years and it's reaching a climax. And Christians
35:23
Speaker 2: are so caught up in American politics and right left
35:28
Speaker 2: this that, and who stole whose election, and they're just blind.
35:31
Speaker 2: They're sitting ducks for what's about to happen. And we
35:35
Speaker 2: talk a lot about the rapture and that phenomena and
35:37
Speaker 2: how that could hurdle the world into chaos and probably
35:41
Speaker 2: will at the minimum, at a minimum, but I think
35:44
Speaker 2: even before the rapture, there could be other massive deceptions
35:49
Speaker 2: that are that are sort of an end of the
35:51
Speaker 2: world as we know it scenario. We've seen a few
35:54
Speaker 2: of those that they never amounted, they never had legs.
35:58
Speaker 2: You know. Nine to eleven was sort of an in
36:00
Speaker 2: the world as we know it. I remember those few
36:01
Speaker 2: days after that, everybody, it's like, what's going on? This
36:03
Speaker 2: is the world's over. Ye, the pandemic was more so.
36:07
Speaker 2: I mean it was like a weird where I talked
36:10
Speaker 2: to I interviewed my son Morgan, who works for us
36:13
Speaker 2: on one of our testimony Tuesdays at NBW, and hearing
36:16
Speaker 2: his testimony. He was a college student at the time
36:19
Speaker 2: that happened, and I had forgotten just how it impacted
36:22
Speaker 2: his life. I mean, that's a major deal. College students
36:25
Speaker 2: throughout the world kicked off campus and have to go home. Yep,
36:30
Speaker 2: that that's that'll leave a mark, right and it did.
36:33
Speaker 2: So I think we're headed towards another one of those things.
36:37
Speaker 2: It may not be Aliens landing on the White House long,
36:40
Speaker 2: but it's going to be something as these cosmic battles
36:45
Speaker 2: collide and we see something that doesn't fit in one
36:49
Speaker 2: of our boxes, and sadly, it's going to shake most
36:52
Speaker 2: Christians to the core. If they've studied some of this
36:56
Speaker 2: stuff or read my books or others like it, they'll go, oh, yeah,
36:59
Speaker 2: this this is been coming.
37:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been coming. And what I appreciate about
37:03
Speaker 1: again this whole series is just how thorough. I mean,
37:06
Speaker 1: you know, you're covering a whole whole category of angles,
37:10
Speaker 1: but I find, you know, going back to again, secret societies,
37:16
Speaker 1: the CFR, Council formulations, Bilderberger, Bohemian Grove, all these you know,
37:21
Speaker 1: fake elections, global surveillance, polease state UFOs up there. These
37:25
Speaker 1: are just the deception area of what you've been describing,
37:27
Speaker 1: just some of them. And yet I find that I
37:32
Speaker 1: found that I was shocked, honestly at the response of
37:36
Speaker 1: the church during the pandemic of how easily they just
37:42
Speaker 1: believed the narrative, they drank the kool aid. And yet
37:45
Speaker 1: at the same time they would be upset because I
37:48
Speaker 1: was pastoring at the time. They would be so upset
37:51
Speaker 1: that I wasn't following the narrative. And I was like, man,
37:54
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought we were on the same page.
37:57
Speaker 1: I mean, we are on the same page about Jesus Christ.
37:59
Speaker 1: But yet it's not that is overly simplistic as well,
38:03
Speaker 1: that's of course the foundation. But yet when we got
38:06
Speaker 1: into these other areas, I thought, well, you really see
38:12
Speaker 1: who has discernment and who doesn't.
38:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course the government was out there, You're
38:17
Speaker 2: writing articles like I cited one in the book from
38:20
Speaker 2: Forbes magazine where this author basically chiding everyone whatever you do.
38:24
Speaker 2: Don't do your own research. They're not smart enough. Just
38:28
Speaker 2: trust the experts, trust the science. Trust the science. We
38:32
Speaker 2: know what we're doing. You don't know. You don't have
38:34
Speaker 2: the degrees, you can't read, so just trust us. Well,
38:38
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they want because it didn't take much.
38:40
Speaker 2: Anybody didn't took ten minutes and just looked at some
38:43
Speaker 2: pat like, for example, masks. I mean in the early
38:46
Speaker 2: days when when masks were the thing of the pandemic.
38:50
Speaker 2: You know, I cited several and I study Amma, you
38:54
Speaker 2: know New England Journal of Medice all these reputable landset,
38:58
Speaker 2: reputable studies. Going back on a hundre, you're saying, masks
39:02
Speaker 2: do nothing for stars type virus severe and zero sport none.
39:06
Speaker 2: They're just don't use them. In fact, you know you
39:08
Speaker 2: shouldn't use them because it it could have a counterproduction.
39:12
Speaker 1: It's actually is more harmful to you because of breathing
39:15
Speaker 1: all yourself. Yeah, absolutely so.
39:16
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, all that changed overnight, and
39:19
Speaker 2: when you try to show them in their own words
39:22
Speaker 2: what they used to say, then you get canceled off
39:24
Speaker 2: of YouTube. You know, So that right there should be
39:27
Speaker 2: all anyone needs to know about the pandemic, and of
39:31
Speaker 2: course we have fifty pages of it in volume one
39:33
Speaker 2: that go back and show that it was pre planned
39:36
Speaker 2: at least sixteen years, maybe twenty two years in advance.
39:38
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, and thinking about that is the
39:42
Speaker 1: you know, you you're setting. This is like a course.
39:46
Speaker 1: I think it's a course on onn discernment to say,
39:49
Speaker 1: let's look at history, let's look at the idea of conspiracy,
39:52
Speaker 1: you know, and and just in general about what God says.
39:56
Speaker 1: And I think if people, if people took all the
39:58
Speaker 1: material and said, wow, I had no idea that it
40:01
Speaker 1: was this extensive.
40:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I would encourage folks to
40:06
Speaker 2: go to spiritof the Antichrist dot org. That's a good
40:09
Speaker 2: landing page, Spirit of the Antichrist dot org and then
40:13
Speaker 2: you can see the table of contents and the subsections
40:16
Speaker 2: of each chapter. It's very extensive of the topics that
40:19
Speaker 2: we talk about. And it's not the kind of thing,
40:20
Speaker 2: even though there's three books in the series, it's not
40:22
Speaker 2: the kind of thing you have to start with the
40:24
Speaker 2: first one necessarily.
40:25
Speaker 1: A stand alone.
40:26
Speaker 2: Again, they're all kind of stand alone. They're topical in
40:28
Speaker 2: the sense that it does weave together a narrative and
40:31
Speaker 2: explain what this is, where this is all headed. But
40:33
Speaker 2: you know, if you find a topic that interests you,
40:36
Speaker 2: you know, start there and then I guarantee you you'll
40:39
Speaker 2: want to kind of see more about how these things
40:42
Speaker 2: all relate to God's end times plan.
40:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so in that sense. And when we
40:46
Speaker 1: think about what do you anticipate maybe give us an
40:52
Speaker 1: You're not a prophet, I understand either of my I
40:54
Speaker 1: but what do you anticipate, let's say, over the next
40:56
Speaker 1: five years, what do you kind of give us a
40:58
Speaker 1: sense of where, you know, where we've been in the
41:00
Speaker 1: last whatever fifty where are we going? Yeah.
41:04
Speaker 2: So, so I'm glad you asked that because I do
41:08
Speaker 2: have some opinions about it, especially with the recent election
41:13
Speaker 2: and what's happened since then. And I'm sure this will
41:15
Speaker 2: probably step on a few toes too. That's all right,
41:17
Speaker 2: Mondo at propcy.
41:18
Speaker 1: Watchers, don emil me and then folder.
41:23
Speaker 2: But I feel like things have fast tracked since the
41:26
Speaker 2: last election, contraard to what a lot of people might suggest. Oh,
41:29
Speaker 2: we've got to reprieve and we can catch our breath.
41:31
Speaker 2: And oh, I'm so glad the bad guy didn't get
41:33
Speaker 2: in I'm not I don't know what role, if any,
41:37
Speaker 2: Trump plays, and this this isn't about Trump. But since
41:39
Speaker 2: the election, we've seen an invasion of technocrats rolling out
41:43
Speaker 2: things like Operation Stargate and some of these other things
41:46
Speaker 2: that are dead on, you know, setting the stage for
41:49
Speaker 2: the coming Antichrist. And so then I overlay that with
41:53
Speaker 2: stuff that I researched in the books about the Luciferian timeline.
41:57
Speaker 2: I talked about this once at a Prophecy Watchers conference
41:59
Speaker 2: and it's a whole chapter on it in volume two.
42:02
Speaker 2: What are they saying in their own words about the
42:05
Speaker 2: timetable doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's kind of.
42:07
Speaker 1: Their wishful thinking, or at least their hopes, right.
42:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, their hopes. Yeah, And they are very clear about it,
42:12
Speaker 2: going all the way back to the nineteen forties, that
42:13
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five was a pivotal year. They believe that
42:16
Speaker 2: Satan was directing some of his demons to help people
42:21
Speaker 2: like Alice Bailey, Helenda Blovotski and others to write down
42:25
Speaker 2: and target twenty twenty five is kind of the key year. Well,
42:28
Speaker 2: then you've got other references to twenty twenty five. Then
42:30
Speaker 2: you've got Agenda twenty thirty and all that's going on
42:34
Speaker 2: with it, with the World Economic Forum. Then you've got
42:37
Speaker 2: you know, Global you know G seven, G twenty, You've
42:40
Speaker 2: got all these the one World World Government Summit that
42:43
Speaker 2: happens every year in February, all these things coming together,
42:46
Speaker 2: and you almost get the sense. I do clearly get
42:51
Speaker 2: the sense that the enemy is really urging, urgent. He
42:56
Speaker 2: thinks he's right at the goal line. He thinks he's
42:58
Speaker 2: so close he can taste it. He just can't wait
43:01
Speaker 2: to push it across the goal line. Now we know,
43:04
Speaker 2: because we're Christians and we read the Bible, that God's
43:07
Speaker 2: the one in charge, and we don't know what his
43:09
Speaker 2: timetable is. He may say, sorry, you're going to wait
43:12
Speaker 2: another fifty years. I don't know, but they're pushing hard,
43:17
Speaker 2: and I just I can't imagine us, you know, sitting
43:22
Speaker 2: here talking, you know, ten years from now. Yeah, just
43:26
Speaker 2: I mean five years. I think you know, we've got
43:30
Speaker 2: a lot of precincts reporting that we're probably in my mind, again,
43:37
Speaker 2: I'm not a prophet. I'm not setting a date, but
43:39
Speaker 2: I would think we're talking months or years, not decades.
43:42
Speaker 1: So you know, It's interesting too, because you talk a
43:46
Speaker 1: lot about again the you know, the mindset, the Hegelian dialectic,
43:52
Speaker 1: all these other things that come into play. But let's
43:56
Speaker 1: turn the tables for a moment. Let's say that Kamala
43:59
Speaker 1: one and Kamala in her first hundred days, she brought
44:07
Speaker 1: she brought muskin to do doge, and she brought She's
44:11
Speaker 1: the one that initiated the Starry eight project of Larry Ellison,
44:15
Speaker 1: all these She's the one that put what would the
44:18
Speaker 1: Christian be saying?
44:18
Speaker 2: Oh, they would anything associated with Kamala is automatic. I
44:22
Speaker 2: mean she could rescue a drowning puppy and Christians would
44:26
Speaker 2: hate her because she's Kamala. So you know, absolutely they
44:30
Speaker 2: would not be on board. They would be skeptical at best.
44:34
Speaker 1: You know.
44:35
Speaker 2: I think that's what happened in twenty sixteen because of
44:39
Speaker 2: my presuppositions. I could be wrong. People should read the
44:42
Speaker 2: books and come to their own conclusions. But I believe
44:45
Speaker 2: that the pandemic was planned way in advance. There's lots
44:48
Speaker 2: of smoking gun o it and so there, and I
44:50
Speaker 2: believe they needed Trump in there to roll it out
44:53
Speaker 2: because if President Clinton, Hillary Clinton had stood up and
44:56
Speaker 2: demanded that Christians stop worshiping Jesus on Easter Sunday for
44:59
Speaker 2: the first time in American history. That would not have flown. No,
45:03
Speaker 2: you know, wear masks, roll up your sleeve, get the shot.
45:06
Speaker 2: That wouldn't have flown on most Christians because they they
45:10
Speaker 2: have a bias understandably, so good person like Hillary. But
45:16
Speaker 2: because it wasn't Hillary, I think more Christians were to see.
45:19
Speaker 1: Well, and let's you know again, you know, I don't know.
45:24
Speaker 1: I don't read hearts. I don't know whether Trump even
45:27
Speaker 1: claims to be a Christian or not. You know, they
45:30
Speaker 1: he had you know, a Bondie look for anti Christian bias,
45:35
Speaker 1: and so there's no doubt. As I look back, I go, okay,
45:40
Speaker 1: under under Kamala as an example, as we saw under
45:45
Speaker 1: Biden during the four years, there was an increase in
45:48
Speaker 1: freedom that we saw by the big tech companies Facebook
45:51
Speaker 1: and other to censor Christian Christian stuff and everything else.
45:54
Speaker 1: And it seems like, oh well, at least the attempts
45:57
Speaker 1: of censorship would be like us over the next four years.
46:01
Speaker 1: And so you you that's a good thing. O. The
46:04
Speaker 1: border being shut, that's a great thing. Okay, So I
46:07
Speaker 1: can look at things. This is way my brain works,
46:09
Speaker 1: and it's probably better. I can look at things at
46:10
Speaker 1: isolation to say, oh, I can rejoice in these these
46:14
Speaker 1: things and they're there. That sex trafficking seems to be
46:18
Speaker 1: lower or whatever. But on the other hand, what I
46:21
Speaker 1: can't do or shouldn't do, is to say, oh, look
46:23
Speaker 1: at this reprieve we got, Oh, look at that Satan's
46:26
Speaker 1: I guess Satan's put in prison for the next four years.
46:28
Speaker 1: And to see everything through again that right left lens
46:31
Speaker 1: that we're discussing, that Satan many times will appear as
46:35
Speaker 1: an angel light. Oh. I think that sounds like the Bible,
46:37
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Or he will send his ministers as ministers
46:39
Speaker 1: of righteousness in order so they'll come and do righteous things.
46:43
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Trump is a minister of I'm
46:45
Speaker 1: just saying in general, the movement of Satan in his ministers.
46:49
Speaker 1: They wouldn't They don't always mind giving you a righteous
46:52
Speaker 1: thing if they can come from the back end.
46:55
Speaker 2: No doubt. Yeah, it's like Billy cron our friend has
46:58
Speaker 2: talked about. He says, whenever they finally arrest a serial killer,
47:02
Speaker 2: everybody goes man. That was he was the perfect neighbor.
47:04
Speaker 2: His house was tighty and his yard was tighty. He
47:06
Speaker 2: looked like a regular old guy because nobody took the
47:09
Speaker 2: time to look in the backyard where all the bodies
47:11
Speaker 2: were there. They were focused on the front yard. So absolutely,
47:14
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. This isn't about Trump. I don't
47:17
Speaker 2: know Trump's heart, and I'm thankful, frankly that these things
47:20
Speaker 2: have happened so quickly into his turn, because I don't
47:22
Speaker 2: even need to talk about Trump anymore. I can talk
47:24
Speaker 2: about the technocrats. I can talk about the sam Altmans
47:26
Speaker 2: and the Elon Musks and those Zuckerbergs and the Larry
47:29
Speaker 2: Ellison's and people like that, and nobody can claim that's good,
47:34
Speaker 2: although some people do, but yeah, it's no question that
47:39
Speaker 2: they We need to see the big picture. It's like
47:43
Speaker 2: the house is burning down and all around you and
47:46
Speaker 2: you're over here calling pest control because you found a
47:49
Speaker 2: roach in the corner yep, and you're like, oh, we
47:51
Speaker 2: got to get rid of those paths, take care of that. Yet, well, look,
47:53
Speaker 2: I don't like roaches, and I'm glad we're trying to
47:56
Speaker 2: get rid of roaches. But have you seen the big
48:00
Speaker 2: picture here?
48:00
Speaker 1: The big picture?
48:01
Speaker 2: And that's what I think a lot of Christians are missing.
48:03
Speaker 1: Well. And yeah, and I'll say this that you know,
48:06
Speaker 1: I've done a lot on you know, the tectocrats, myself,
48:08
Speaker 1: ten Kings and stuff like that. But I think, okay, everybody,
48:11
Speaker 1: let's put it in context the big picture. Nobody, I mean,
48:16
Speaker 1: well not nobody. Of course, you're gonna have the left
48:18
Speaker 1: wing Democrats complaining. But Elon Musk coming in and getting
48:23
Speaker 1: rid of waste. I mean, that's a wonderful thing. We
48:25
Speaker 1: all agree that's wonderful. But one of the things that
48:28
Speaker 1: he has been very good on. He said, and I
48:31
Speaker 1: have an article on this where Doe just come in
48:35
Speaker 1: and he's recognized, Man, you got you know, dozens and
48:39
Speaker 1: dozens of different agencies within this behemoth government, and nobody
48:43
Speaker 1: talks to each other. Some of them have software from
48:46
Speaker 1: the nineties or twenty years old. And he's like, look,
48:49
Speaker 1: we're going to come in here and we're going to
48:51
Speaker 1: replace all of this out of date technology, and we're
48:54
Speaker 1: going to use AI to bring it all together where
48:56
Speaker 1: everything's efficient. The Department of Government fishing, we're going to see,
48:59
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a talk to each other. And you're like, oh,
49:01
Speaker 1: that sounds all wonderful, isn't that it great? He's going
49:03
Speaker 1: to make make the American government better? And you go, yeah,
49:10
Speaker 1: and take that same technology with a beast governmental system,
49:15
Speaker 1: and look how efficient it's going to be. Now they
49:17
Speaker 1: have a test run of taking this exact software technology
49:21
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence and looking at a there's no doubt
49:24
Speaker 1: the United States is the biggest, you know, government in
49:26
Speaker 1: the world by wealth and other things. But if you
49:29
Speaker 1: can just take it to the next level of a
49:31
Speaker 1: government of global b system and we have a test
49:34
Speaker 1: run and we have the exact software for.
49:36
Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah, I mean that goes into just trust.
49:38
Speaker 2: I mean most people just blindly trust the government rather
49:41
Speaker 2: than even asking the question, could there be a nefarious
49:44
Speaker 2: agenda behind this? Did anyone ask the question? And especially
49:48
Speaker 2: when it's a Republican in office, then they can do
49:50
Speaker 2: no wrong. When it's a Democrat, they can do no right.
49:53
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And that's what.
49:55
Speaker 2: We're locked into. And so all we're saying is, let's
49:58
Speaker 2: let's step back and considerately in the midst of good
50:01
Speaker 2: things happening, Yes, could there be an ulterior motive? And
50:05
Speaker 2: I think there's no question there is. If you understand
50:07
Speaker 2: the Bible.
50:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think in Satan's mind, no doubt. Again,
50:12
Speaker 1: the we're not necessarily saying that that Musk is trying
50:16
Speaker 1: to put in infiltrate something so he can use it
50:18
Speaker 1: for a global agenda of Dan Christ. I'm not saying
50:20
Speaker 1: that at all. But his if we just give him
50:23
Speaker 1: the benefit out his desire is good, like, oh, this
50:24
Speaker 1: is going to be great, it's efficient. He's a businessman.
50:26
Speaker 1: This is how he uses it in his businesses. But
50:28
Speaker 1: say he's going to go this is wonderful. Yes, yes,
50:30
Speaker 1: let's do that. Let's do that. Let's get that system
50:32
Speaker 1: in there. Need I need that. I'm going to need
50:34
Speaker 1: that in a few years because I need you to
50:37
Speaker 1: do a trial run, just like again the m RNA
50:40
Speaker 1: and the trial run with the pandemic. It's do a
50:42
Speaker 1: trial run there. But he's going to use Musk and
50:44
Speaker 1: these other technocrats that they're there at the front row,
50:47
Speaker 1: and let's get that in because I need that to
50:50
Speaker 1: expand itself to the global level.
50:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lies upon lies, deception upon deception. I'm less
50:57
Speaker 2: likely to give Musk the benefit of the doubt just
50:59
Speaker 2: from what I studied those background. But again, that doesn't
51:02
Speaker 2: matter because they're good things happening. But we need to
51:05
Speaker 2: step back and recognize the big picture.
51:08
Speaker 1: That's yeah, And I think, yeah, what we're saying here
51:11
Speaker 1: is be wise, be discerning that the timetable has not lessened.
51:18
Speaker 1: When we say reprieve, you know, we got to be
51:20
Speaker 1: careful even with that language, because yes, there are certain
51:23
Speaker 1: reprieves as it relates to censorship. And I mean, I'm
51:26
Speaker 1: not worried about sharing the gospel and you know online
51:28
Speaker 1: now and other things or even some other stuff. So
51:32
Speaker 1: that's good. But at the end, at the timetable hasn't stopped. No,
51:36
Speaker 1: Satan's doesn't just said, well, I got four years, I'm
51:38
Speaker 1: going to take a vacation.
51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean flashback to twenty sixteen, how we're relieved,
51:42
Speaker 2: we all felt that Hillary didn't win, and yet within
51:46
Speaker 2: four years one of the most consequential world events to
51:51
Speaker 2: date occurred. I mean, people forget that, and who was
51:56
Speaker 2: right there championing, who was right there promising right down
52:00
Speaker 2: fifteen days to stow out flatten the curve and turned
52:03
Speaker 2: into nine months, and who was right there pushing the shots?
52:09
Speaker 2: So again, not trying to pile on to Trump here, No,
52:12
Speaker 2: there's people that will defend him. And I get that
52:14
Speaker 2: there's plausible explanations he got bad advice or whatever. But
52:18
Speaker 2: the point is we were all giddy with excitement when
52:21
Speaker 2: Trump shocked the world by beating Hillary, and yet we
52:25
Speaker 2: ended up with one of the worst events in America,
52:27
Speaker 2: in world history, but particularly in American history.
52:29
Speaker 1: So again, as we said, was planned and it was
52:32
Speaker 1: part of the agenda. You know, at the end of
52:33
Speaker 1: the day, what are we saying. We're just saying, look, Trump,
52:38
Speaker 1: Trump is not Jesus, and Hillary or Kamala is not
52:42
Speaker 1: saying Okay, So there's wisdom that again, we don't war
52:46
Speaker 1: against flesh and love. There's these principalities powers that are
52:49
Speaker 1: going to be working behind the scenes with all of
52:52
Speaker 1: these characters. And our faith is in Jesus alone, and
52:55
Speaker 1: so just discernment, don't trust in man, right, I mean,
52:59
Speaker 1: that's I think that's in the Bible too, right.
53:01
Speaker 2: And allow yourself to go down some of these rabbit
53:04
Speaker 2: holes and at least, you know, introduce yourself to some
53:08
Speaker 2: of these topics that seem to be relevant in the
53:10
Speaker 2: stage setting for the end times. It's some pretty fascinating stuff.
53:14
Speaker 2: We're still on that journey down the rabbit hole and
53:17
Speaker 2: you know it's fascinating stuff.
53:19
Speaker 1: So where can people find out more about?
53:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, so our website is not by works dot org.
53:24
Speaker 2: Not by works dot org. That's what NBW stands for.
53:27
Speaker 2: Titus three to five is our foundational Verse. Our app
53:30
Speaker 2: is free. NBW ministries on the app store, a Google
53:33
Speaker 2: play store, and the book series. If you just want
53:36
Speaker 2: to learn more and you can read the whole preface
53:38
Speaker 2: of each book, just go to Spirit over the Antichrist
53:41
Speaker 2: dot org.
53:41
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, thanks Jabby, Thanks all, that's good. Thank you
53:44
Speaker 1: everybody for listening today. I hope you were blessed. And again,
53:46
Speaker 1: lots going on and we're going to continue to be
53:50
Speaker 1: here to document, to have the front row seat and
53:54
Speaker 1: to help everybody understand what's happening, where it's going. And ultimately,
53:57
Speaker 1: again Jesus is in control and if you don't have
54:00
Speaker 1: your faith in him, then this is the time to
54:02
Speaker 1: do it because no better person in the universe to
54:06
Speaker 1: walk with and Jesus w walk with you and have
54:08
Speaker 1: your sins forgiven through him and by faith alone. So anyways,
54:11
Speaker 1: thanks for listening and we'll catch you next time.