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Ep. 2 | Transcendental Cult Kid Turned Playa Dust-Covered Earth Defender · Go Wildly Podcast

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  Epic views for. Sure.
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  What I have seen is a lot of people hopping around on
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  mattresses. It's been alive on this planet
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  at this time, baby. Like, come on.
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  Hey, we're going to burn that. You want to come along the Playa
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  Zamboni. Sit up my shoulder.
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  It's a mountain twerk. It's a mountain twerk.
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  It's a, it's a, it's a mountain twerk.
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  Look at all these sticks. So many sticks.
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  Living sticks. Sticks welcome to the Go Wildly
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  podcast, where the trail or river is our studio and the
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  outdoors is where the story all unfolds.
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  I'm Heather and I'm Emily, and at the heart of it all is 1 big
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  question we ask our guests. What is that one pivotal outdoor
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  story that changed the course of your life?
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  From transformative hikes to river epiphanies and everything
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  in between, stories like these remind us how nature shapes who
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  we are. So thanks for being here.
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  Stick around and together we're go wildly.
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  Thanks guys. We love you.
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  Today's guest is Rihanna Koppel, a sustainability advocate,
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  community organizer, and someone whose life is deeply rooted in
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  the natural rhythms of the earth.
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  Raised in a Transcendental Meditation community, Rihanna
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  blends mindfulness with action, from environmental
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  sustainability efforts locally to foraging mushrooms and living
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  out the Leave No Trace ethic at Burning Man, her story is one of
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  connection to the land, to the community, and to purpose.
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  To experience our adventure first hand and step more into
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  Rihanna's world, complete with absolutely stunning reviews of
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  our hike at Mount Isabel in Southern Oregon, head on over to
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  our YouTube channel to watch the companion film to this episode
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  and let's go wildly together. Hey, girl.
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  Hey, Oh my God, it's really. Nice to have you.
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  It's really good to see you. When was the last time we saw
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  each other? When was it?
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  I don't know. Princess's birthday party.
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  Oh. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yeah, Karaoke Chapel Roan birthday party.
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  Yes, Pink Pony Club. Pink Pony Club party.
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  That was the last. Yeah, that was.
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  That's really fun. I have that little Polaroid of
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  everybody that's up in my fridge.
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  Don't like these more? Friends.
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  Yeah, we're so fun. We know how to have a good time.
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  How to have a good time? It's true.
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  So true. I Part of Rihanna and I's
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  history is it's very karaoke heavy.
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  Home karaoke. Home.
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  Karaoke heavy. We've we've attempted a public
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  karaoke event. Well, we did.
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  We attended a public karaoke event once and we did, Matt, we
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  did really fill the sign up list for a while and then it was
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  like, well, we still have more songs we want to sing, but
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  there's other people signed up. So what do we do?
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  Home karaoke, Home karaokes? Where is that?
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  A. 100% home karaoke all the time, always.
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  Yes. It was going down.
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  Yeah, it's a little. Yeah, we're in rocking chairs.
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  You guys look like it's so warm out here and I'm in like cozy
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  jammies. I would sweat.
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  Look at my leg here. Oh.
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  Yeah, I see that guys. That's why you're so warm and
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  you. Went to shave this morning and
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  my razor had a bunch of rest on it and I was like I'm not going
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  to shave with that I mean. Do you use a straight razor just
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  like a safety razor or like a multi blade razor?
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  Wick story time I when I was on my no waste like no like reduce
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  reuse, recycle journey. I like got a bunch of like
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  reusable stuff. So I bought this really cool
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  looking oil slicked shaver to reuse and then you interchange
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  out the razor blade in it. Well one day I was shaved and I
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  shaved a bit too vigorously and it skinned my whole like to this
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  day, it was years ago. To this day, every time I think
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  about that, I'm like pit in my stomach and I'm like, it
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  literally shaved off my skin. And from that day forward I was
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  like, I'm using Venus, like, sorry, it's going to be the one
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  thing I compromise on. Or you know, I compromise on a
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  bunch of things. But like I was like, I'm not
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  going to worry so much because I literally got.
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  Hurt. Yeah, like.
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  To the point where I should like it could have, I could have
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  needed like a skin graft. I mean, it was like rough.
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  Oh my God, terrifying. Do you have a scar?
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  Yeah, I think there is a scar. Here I got Oh my God now.
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  Let's see if I can find it. Maybe you can only see it when
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  I. When you shave, yeah, like.
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  When it's when? It's like moisturized and stuff,
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  but I can kind of see like see those little white patches.
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  I do see that, yeah. Ouch.
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  Damn dude. Rough SO.
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  OK, lesson learned. And it was user air and then
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  too. But it freaked me out enough to
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  be like I don't ever want to use this thing again.
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  Yeah. So yeah, so yeah, I was just
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  like a Venus throw away. I think you can change out the
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  heads, but that's yeah, I still. Have the handle that my very
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  first ever Venus handle. Even after my brother's dog
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  chewed it up, I still use that's.
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  Cool, see I love. That to use recycle still works.
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  Well, still works. Baby still works.
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  Most of the time I use Sean's beard shaver.
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  Yeah, for all things. No lucky him.
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  I know he says he doesn't care, so I'm like, OK, that's fine
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  then I'm going to continue. Yeah, continue onward.
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  Yeah, I even do my eyebrows sometimes, OK.
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  Yeah. OK, let's get back to the meat
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  of our experience here, back to Rihanna's life story.
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  You were telling us a little bit about growing up in Fairfield,
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  IA Transcendental Meditation community.
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  I have a quick little question to start the conversation off.
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  Maybe I'm curious on how the Transcendental Meditation
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  community culture aligns and is In Sync with your Jewish Jewish
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  heritage and how that religion played into that practice.
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  Because yeah, like how it all if it did or if it didn't or.
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  Yeah. And here's what I'll say to that
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  is that there's a particular terminology that I like to use
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  that I feel like applies to me, which is Hinduism.
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  Yes, yeah. So I would call myself a Hindu
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  100% because I was raised in this Transcendental Meditation
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  comes from a culture, a Vedic culture in India based off of
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  the concept of Brahmacharya and concepts in Sanskrit that have
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  to do with having some kind of spiritual leader or, or having
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  a, a guru, a a, a teacher. And so that element and several
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  other elements within kind of Hinduism at large definitely
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  are. And we're at play in my
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  upbringing in the middle of nowhere, Iowa.
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  But then also Judaism did come into play a little bit.
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  Both of my parents left their respective religions and really
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  committed to Transcendental Meditation when they were very
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  young, in their early 20s. And they still practice it every
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  single day, twice a day. We did celebrate Hanukkah.
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  That was kind of about it, to be honest.
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  And so when I grew older, my brother and sister and I and my
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  cousin as well, have very much returned back to our own
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  understanding of Judaism because it wasn't something that was
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  really taught to us when we were younger.
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  Yeah, you were meditating. We were meditating, we were
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  taught to meditate. We were taught to meditate at
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  five years old, taught to sit on meditation at 10 years old.
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  And then I went back in my 20s and I learned the longer form,
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  which is about an hour and a half and includes yogic flying,
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  which is yogic hopping really. But anyway.
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  What is that? Yeah.
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  Good question, what is yogic flying?
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  Take a look on YouTube and you'll and you'll see what yogic
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  flying is. But yogic flying within the
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  Transcendental Meditation community was this concept that
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  after you go through a few different levels, leveling up of
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  your meditation practice, a standard Transcendental
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  Meditation practice is 20 minutes twice a day.
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  It's a mantra meditation. And after that 20 minutes, when
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  you go to level 2 and do the cities program, you do your 20
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  minutes of your regular meditation.
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  And then you have these other mantras that you utilize for
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  about another 20 to 30 minutes. And then after that you get to
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  this final mantra. And then you go into something
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  that they call yogic flying, which is that you go to this
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  kind of mattress area and you're in an easy posture, sucusana,
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  cross legged posture. And the idea with this
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  particular mantra is that it invigorates some part of the
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  body that is trying to move and trying to eventually hover and
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  actually fly. Like, literally.
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  Levitate. Like levitate, I'm talking true
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  levitation did. You see that happen?
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  I have not ever seen that happen.
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  Which is the true yogic flying is yogic copies and there used
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  to be competitions. OK, my dad was a competitive
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  yogic flyer. So they would have these
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  mattresses set up and it's still like this.
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  You can go into the Dome today and it's all, it's covered all
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  in these mattresses and they do it around the, the center of
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  they're the, the golden Dome. And they would stack up
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  mattresses. So you'd have, you know, 2
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  mattresses stacked on top of each other.
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  And the men would hop all the way up in this like yogic
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  posture and then they would do 3 mattresses and then they would
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  do 4. So people would be happy.
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  Like off of their butt. Town in Iowa this Fairfield Cam
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  and open up a mattress mattress store there.
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  Yeah, you should. You should.
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  That's my entrepreneur seizure. It actually need mattresses.
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  I'll bring them mattresses. They do mattresses and back
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  jacks y'all. Absolutely no tempur pedic.
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  No need the bounce you need. I'm going to a vintage mattress
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  store. The vintage mattresses that
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  really bounce. Give me that yogic.
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  Hot. I'm going to go around and find
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  all of them and be like I got. You guys, I got you guys, yes.
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  But that sounds great. So let's talk about my question
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  is of course maybe to an outsider that sounds a little
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  culty. It is culty.
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  OK, I was, I wanted to ask about that.
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  OK, I. Didn't want to be like.
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  Rude by saying that because like, you know, it's another
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  practice, another religion. Anything can become a cult,
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  really like anything. So you're right, it's just like
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  that. So I was just curious.
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  Yeah, I am very much a part of that idea and concept that I
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  believe that everything is a cult.
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  Everything is a culture. America is a cult, and where we
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  live is a certain kind of cult, certain kind of culture.
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  And where I grew up, absolutely, it's a cult.
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  And there's a variety of other things that I experienced
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  growing up in that that turned me a bit away from meditation.
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  And so when you asked earlier what my meditation practice
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  looks like, it's actually been quite a challenge for me because
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  I grew up in that kind of environment where I was taught
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  meditation at 5. And now moving through my life,
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  having yoga as a part of my life, I really have taken a long
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  time to figure out what that spirituality truly looks like in
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  my daily routine. And for me, it's very much
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  connected to nature. It's very much connected to
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  listening and observing this incredible, beautiful world that
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  we live in and realizing that I'm a very, very small, small
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  component of this environment that we live in.
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  And to look around like I was mentioning the cycles of nature
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  themselves, These cycles are bigger than me.
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  They were here before I existed. They're here while I exist.
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  And they will continue on after my body leaves this beautiful
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  planet. And so for me, I think that that
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  spiritual upbringing helped to sort of make me see the world in
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  that way. And so when people say, oh, you
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  know, what's your meditation practice?
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  It's being alive on this planet at this time, baby.
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  Like, come on, it's, it's, it's absolutely beautiful.
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  And and to really notice everything around us that is
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  beyond our own capacity is is truly magical.
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  Amen. Yeah.
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  Amen. Hallelujah.
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  Yeah, does. That what I understand of
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  meditation is like it is just about noticing, not attaching,
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  not assigning anything, just noticing.
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  Yeah. And sitting out here in nature,
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  that's what you have to do. You just have to sit and notice
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  the whole point of being here is.
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  What's the Jewish Amen not to go up on a tantrum?
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  Maine but look I am is to like that's what I thought it's a
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  like Jews celebration salute. Yeah, yeah, Aloha see Ken yeah,
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  cool. Ken is yes in in Hebrew.
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  Did you have a Obviously you didn't have like a bat mitzvah
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  or anything like I? Did not have a celebrates.
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  I did not I my again, it was like 5 you're taught this
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  meditation 10 and then this. So I, I did not.
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  That was also part of my Jewish upbringing that my parents
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  didn't feel was necessary in order for me to really be
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  Jewish. And I don't feel like it is
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  either for me. My sister did her own bat
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  mitzvah later on in life to reclaim that part of herself,
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  which I think is really beautiful.
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  And I think that each person has their own relationship to
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  Judaism, and whatever that looks like for them is valid.
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  Period, you know. For sure.
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  Do your parents still practice that they live there and
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  practice that, or have they moved on or?
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  Oh they still TM twice a day every single day baby.
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  Wow, dude. But they don't live there
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  anymore. Your well, your dad's still in
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  Fairfield. Yeah, my dad does.
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  Yeah, but are they separated? Yeah, OK.
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  Yeah, but they're still doing their.
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  Oh, wow. Step mom too.
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  Oh, cool. Yeah.
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  So there's a huge so. So yes, it is a cult.
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  It's one of the more benign cults, but not totally benign.
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  Nothing's totally benign. Do we have our dirt bikers
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  arriving? That sounds like.
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  Yeah, A. Whole ass.
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  Right on, boys. Could be women in there women
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  dirt bikers. Yeah.
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  Hi, ladies. Good girls.
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  Sit. Community.
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  Oh, that reminds you that again, Reminds me of my friend Vance.
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  Yeah. I was thinking about today and
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  how to dream. He was in my dream last night.
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  Yeah. And then I messaged him.
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  He was big into dirt biking, so it kind of reminded me of him.
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  Again. He reminded again.
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  I know he'll be listening. To this Oh yeah, we can see him
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  go over there. I wonder if they'll turn around.
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  I'm sure it's out and back. This is well, this would be a
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  really fun trail to dirt bike because it's so steep and kind
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  of techie. Yeah, that's hot.
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  So usually with Colts they're hard to leave.
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  What was it like leaving Fairfield, leaving TM, leaving
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  family and breaking out, Venturing, venturing W?
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  How did you end up in Oregon from that community?
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  So my mom and dad did divorce and separate and my mom knew
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  someone also from that TM community.
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  We had grown up together that had moved out to beautiful
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  Ashland, OR. And so my mom visited her
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  friend, our family friends, and she said if I ever move
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  anywhere, I'm going to move to Ashland.
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  Oregon. And there's a good community of
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  the meditation there too. It's a.
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  Small community, but there is definitely crossover and my mom
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  is originally from California. My whole family on that side is
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  from the West Coast. And so it was kind of an easy
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  move for her to go back to the West Coast.
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  And so that's how I came out here.
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  I went back to Fairfield in my early 20s, and I really thought
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  for a long time that I would stay there and that I wanted a
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  family and I wanted to grow up and raise a family within that
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  community. And I worked at the school,
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  Maharishi International University, for a long time.
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  And all of the friends that I made there are truly incredible.
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  I love them so much. And we had a fantastic formative
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  time. And what's so beautiful about
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  Miu is that you think of Iowa, you think the Midwest, you think
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  the Farm belt, you know, all of these kinds of things, very
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  specific kind of culture. But in Fairfield at Miu, the
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  population of that school, over 50% of it is international
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  students. So you have folks from Ethiopia,
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  you have folks from China, you have folks from India, you have
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  folks from Ecuador, you have folks from like all over, all
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  over. And it was so beautiful to be
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  able to sell it. When I worked for the school, we
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  would celebrate the Ethiopian New Year, we'd celebrate the
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  Lunar New Year, we would celebrate Ramadan.
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  We had all these different events because we had such a
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  diverse little community, because people from all over the
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  world were drawn to this one particular place where they knew
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  that they could go to university, practice meditation,
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  have all organic vegetarian meals and be a part of a
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  community that actually really valued silence and health and IR
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  of aid at its core. And again with the.
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  Legit and. Yeah.
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  And as someone who grew up in that, I often ask my friends who
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  moved to the middle of nowhere Iowa to go to the school, I was
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  like, what are you doing? What are you doing coming to to
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  Iowa? And they said it's all of these
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  things that we don't have in our cities or where we come from
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  that we wanted to come to place that values that.
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  And so is someone who grew up in it.
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  That was natural to me, all of these things.
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  I grew up eating rice and Dal and, you know, knowing Ayurvedic
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  spices like cardamom and asafetida and turmeric and all
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  of these things. And so for me, there's a lot of
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  those elements that are still very much a part of my life in
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  Ayurveda and yoga and meditation that I believe are truly, truly
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  beneficial. And also the element of the
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  community was really, really beautiful.
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  There again, there are certain aspects of it that I don't need
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  to get into so much that we're really, yes, spiritually or
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  psychologically damaging as well.
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  And I did see people that who had been meditating for 40
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  years. And I have learned from personal
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  experience that just because you meditate doesn't mean that
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  you're good at anything else besides meditation doesn't mean.
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  You're enlightened. It doesn't mean that.
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  You're enlightened, and what enlightenment looks like is.
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  If anyone tells you that they know what it is, don't.
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  Believe. Yeah, they don't.
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  Then they don't know they. Really don't know.
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  And, and I learned myself that I did not want to become the same
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  kind of person that I saw as someone who had been meditating
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  for very many decades. And I wanted to.
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  To clarify, so you don't want to, you didn't want to just be
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  somebody that that's just their lives revolved around the
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  meditation piece and not exploring more of what life has
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  to offer. Yes, OK, And exploring with your
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  eyes open because I find again in my own personal experience
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  that meditation is a beautiful tool that once you have it, no
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  one can ever take that away from you.
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  You could be completely disabled, you could be in
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  prison, you could be having the worst day of your life.
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  And that is a tool that you have and you alone that you can
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  utilize and, and whatever way that really works for you.
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  And when you open your eyes and come out of that state, it's
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  also up to you to be accountable for how that piece inside of you
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  internally transmutes into the external world.
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  We cannot live in the ashram for our entire lives.
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  We have to go out into the world and we will have a specific kind
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  of impact in the world, whatever our intent is.
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  And so it's important, I think to have the eyes open meditation
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  as well. And that's really what I learned
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  from growing up within this community and why I stepped away
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  ultimately from what I saw as a cultish community, which it is.
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  And again, pretty benign, but I wanted to have more of a real
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  impact in the real world when my eyes are open.
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  Beautiful. Yeah, wonderful.
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  And do we want to switch kind of just switched off since we are
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  time limited. Yeah, like.
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  Meditation, yeah. Yeah, it's such that's such a
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  core pillar in you, so it's great to talk about and kind of
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  knowing where you come from. How did you get into the Burner
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  community? I went with my meditation
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  friends. Really.
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  Yeah. So yeah.
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  How does how does this name of Fairfield TM Meditation Eyes
• 22:22
  Open Eyes Open Meditation take you to where you are now and how
• 22:27
  you commune with nature and community and how these
• 22:31
  practices that you've learned so early on still play a role in
• 22:36
  your adult life? Right.
• 22:38
  So my friends and I, as young people that grew up in this
• 22:44
  community, as the daughters and sons of people that committed
• 22:50
  their lives to Transcendental Meditation, a lot of us are
• 22:53
  weirdos, man, and we like to explore a variety of different
• 23:01
  consciousness psychedelia. There's something in us that has
• 23:06
  a taste. For that, that makes sense when
• 23:08
  you're like really restricted. But also meditation is so much
• 23:13
  about expansion of the mind and mental and internal exploration.
• 23:20
  But when you're like restricted and insulated in this little
• 23:24
  environment, it feels, it seems kind of counter productive,
• 23:29
  counter intuitive of like explore, but only explore within
• 23:33
  these walls. So yeah, then you had to unleash
• 23:37
  yourselves. Blue Mountain to the world, Yes.
• 23:41
  Yeah. So that we did.
• 23:43
  Did you start out like exploring psychedelics and stuff before
• 23:46
  Birdie Man? Or did Birdie Man come and then
• 23:48
  the opening to the psychedelics, which was first?
• 23:52
  Psychedelics first. Absolutely.
• 23:54
  Psychedelics first, because when I went back to Miu in my early
• 23:59
  20s, there's a lot of other people that came from outside
• 24:02
  that had experience with psychedelics or otherwise that
• 24:06
  those experiences of altering their consciousness turn them
• 24:10
  towards meditation and wanted to have something that maybe they
• 24:13
  saw as a little bit more sustainable.
• 24:15
  Oh, totally. Yeah, Yeah, it's hard to sustain
• 24:17
  a trip, right? It's impossible.
• 24:20
  You will come back down to ground level reality.
• 24:24
  And so I experimented in my own way and there was a, there's a
• 24:29
  bit of that in the youth community of Transcendental
• 24:33
  Meditation for sure. And the elder community.
• 24:35
  I'll say that as well. And through that, some of my
• 24:39
  friends said, hey, we're going to burn that.
• 24:43
  If you want to come along, let's do it.
• 24:46
  And it was a bucket list item for me.
• 24:48
  How old are you? Yeah, I was 24.
• 24:50
  OK. And you're how old now?
• 24:52
  I am 36 now so I went 12 years ago and 2012 and it was really
• 25:00
  so much fun. It was awesome.
• 25:01
  Check that off the bucket list item and I had a wonderful time.
• 25:07
  But again, it wasn't something that necessarily called me
• 25:10
  immediately. It was more that bucket list,
• 25:12
  Yeah, I've done this. It was so much fun, had a great
• 25:15
  time, wonderful. And I travelled around the
• 25:17
  world, did some other things. And then a few years ago the
• 25:22
  calling kind of came back where I said I'd like to go back to
• 25:25
  this community and see how it has changed and how I have
• 25:29
  changed as well. So I came back a few years ago,
• 25:34
  they had and a few renegade burns because of the pandemic.
• 25:37
  So I officially went back in 2022 and I've been going every
• 25:41
  single year since. And also I have gone down to the
• 25:46
  Black Rock Desert when the big burn, the big party in the
• 25:49
  desert is not happening, which way I would encourage every
• 25:52
  single person to do because this desert is so beautiful.
• 25:56
  It's so quiet. There are these gorgeous Hot
• 25:58
  Springs there. The sunsets are Immaculate.
• 26:01
  It is a truly wild. Gorgeous.
• 26:05
  It's one of my one of my dad's special places.
• 26:08
  And I always was like, dad, we should go to Birding Man
• 26:10
  together. He's like, I can't, I can't.
• 26:13
  Like, I like bird. I like the Black Rock as it is
• 26:16
  and I enjoy it as it is and I don't want to be.
• 26:19
  He's also old boomer generation, so he doesn't necessarily want
• 26:23
  to see the crazy, You know, he's low key, but it's just, yeah.
• 26:28
  Yeah, it's a. He he talks about it like, just
• 26:31
  like you did, like it's an amazing, beautiful place.
• 26:34
  It is, yeah. And what is beautiful about
• 26:37
  Bernie man in particular that there is the the concept that it
• 26:42
  is sex, Drugs and Rock'n'roll. And that's not to say that it's
• 26:45
  not Sex, Drugs and Rock'n'roll. It's a big party.
• 26:48
  And it's also the largest Leave No Trace event in the world.
• 26:53
  And when you go down to the Black Rock Desert, when that big
• 26:56
  party is not happening, you will find it to be a pristine,
• 26:59
  gorgeous, Immaculate desert. And that is because the people
• 27:03
  that put on this big party also clean up.
• 27:07
  OK, cute dramatic cut here. This episode is brought to you
• 27:12
  by Dead Camera Batteries. May we always have a few more in
• 27:16
  our backpacks. Enjoy.
• 27:19
  Phenomenal. Yeah, this is.
• 27:20
  I know I wanna. Gorgeous, I wanna hang out here
• 27:22
  all the time. I.
• 27:23
  Really do like this whole valley back here.
• 27:26
  I'm like what like? I Is this a wildly, wildly
• 27:29
  staple hike? Yes, I think so.
• 27:31
  Like we come out here, I wanna, I have a feeling that there is
• 27:34
  like almost a 360 view on top. Of here.
• 27:36
  We're gonna go check it out. Yeah, 'cause of the and we're
• 27:39
  gonna get there and be like, are you fucked up?
• 27:41
  No. No, because this is excellent
• 27:44
  and we'll just do that another time.
• 27:45
  Yeah, totally. But I can see beyond the that
• 27:48
  this little section of trees right here, that there's no
• 27:51
  trees on the other side of it. Yeah.
• 27:54
  So yeah, yeah, we'll check it out anyway.
• 27:56
  OK, so take us back to a little bit more Burning Man Leave No
• 27:59
  Trace principles and like key things that you want people to
• 28:05
  know about Burning Man, about you and about.
• 28:10
  Yeah. Life with nature.
• 28:13
  Yeah, of course. Yeah.
• 28:15
  I think I was talking about the Leave No Trace element of, of
• 28:18
  Burning Man. And yeah, like your dad was
• 28:21
  saying, that desert is so beautiful and Immaculate and
• 28:27
  absolutely gorgeous and why? Why I do have a lot of, I would
• 28:34
  say, yeah, investment in value in the Burning Man community is
• 28:38
  because of the principles. And not everybody follows all
• 28:42
  the principles all the time, but one of them is Leave No Trace
• 28:46
  and another one is civic responsibility and so on.
• 28:49
  This creation of this temporary city in the desert happens.
• 28:53
  The intent is that we all participate as a part of
• 28:57
  building this city. Taking it down and leaving a
• 29:00
  trace is an element to that. And so when I go to the desert,
• 29:04
  to the Hot Springs with my friends, or to 4th of July when
• 29:07
  that's going on and you go out there, you would think that
• 29:12
  there was never 80,000 people out here in the middle of
• 29:16
  nowhere because of Leave No Trace and because of the teams
• 29:21
  that stay after the party ends, they're called the Playa
• 29:24
  Restoration Team, and they spend weeks cleaning up this desert.
• 29:28
  I volunteered with them about a year ago and stayed for a
• 29:31
  weekend to help do that. And what they do is the whole
• 29:36
  reason why the burn happens, Burning Man would not happen if
• 29:41
  it weren't for this dedicated small group of people.
• 29:43
  It's about 200 people that stay and they literally walk that
• 29:48
  entire portion of where the burn happens over and over and over
• 29:52
  and over again, picking up every single piece of tiny trash that
• 29:57
  they can find. If it's cardboard, if it's a
• 29:59
  piece of straw, because straw does not exist in the
• 30:02
  environment. That's all matter out of place
• 30:05
  or move as they call it. And then they have an inspection
• 30:08
  with BLM because this event happens on BLM land and the BLM
• 30:13
  will go out and select random sites.
• 30:17
  Totally random. Stick A point kind of down the
• 30:22
  ground and then they will do a 360 circle and depending on how
• 30:27
  much trash they find within that circle that they do, they will
• 30:31
  either pass their inspection there or they will fail it.
• 30:34
  And they do this a number of times.
• 30:36
  And the Burning Man organization has to pass a certain number of
• 30:39
  these random test sites in order for them to utilize the land.
• 30:43
  Again, that's so amazing that they came up with this awesome
• 30:46
  compromise to do that, like BLM and then work together to figure
• 30:50
  out how they were going to gauge that.
• 30:52
  I think that's really cool that, you know, that synchronicity of
• 30:56
  such a, you know, prominent government bureaucracy, you
• 31:00
  know, thing. And then there's like they came
• 31:02
  together. I like that.
• 31:03
  I like I like coming together stories.
• 31:05
  I just think it's cool because like, that just goes to show I'm
• 31:08
  applying it to my life and it just goes to show that
• 31:11
  compromise can happen. You know, we can work this out.
• 31:14
  That whole like. We can all benefit from this.
• 31:17
  Like experience, how to all do this together, you know anyway.
• 31:20
  It's really cool. Together, they can go wildly,
• 31:22
  yeah. Together.
• 31:23
  Wildly, yes. I had a question.
• 31:27
  What was it about Birdie Man? Oh, how was the I know that
• 31:32
  Birdie Man a couple seasons ago had a really crazy rain event
• 31:37
  happen and like a lot of things got super sunked into the mud.
• 31:42
  How was cleanup did you hear? About that, I went for that in
• 31:47
  part, yes. So that was the mud man year
• 31:51
  where it rained, supernatural occurrence and beautiful.
• 31:54
  So much fun and there was a huge amount of trash and cardboard.
• 31:59
  What people would do is they would lay down cardboard on top
• 32:01
  of the wet Playa, and then the cardboard would be embedded into
• 32:06
  the Playa itself and then dry up and be stuck in there.
• 32:10
  And so because of what I saw when I was there for that, I
• 32:15
  knew that I wanted to go back for Playa restoration.
• 32:17
  Because it was. It's going to be a issue and you
• 32:20
  needed help. Yes, and I and I wanted to help
• 32:22
  and I. Can imagine that year being such
• 32:24
  a tough cleanup year. It was and it also showcased
• 32:28
  with the camps that are there, because what happens with the
• 32:31
  Playa restoration team is that they also mark out and record
• 32:36
  where they find all of the trash because of the placement of all
• 32:40
  the camps. They'll say this particular camp
• 32:43
  you guys sucked at leave no trace and you're going to have
• 32:46
  to showcase to us that we can let you back on the Playa based
• 32:51
  on how that's cool. Trashy you you left it and I.
• 32:55
  Love being held. Held accountable.
• 32:57
  I love being held accountable too and it's and that map is
• 33:01
  public. Anybody can go online, look up
• 33:03
  the Burning Man moop matter out of place map and you can see
• 33:07
  what camps are trashy and what camps cleaned up period.
• 33:10
  It's public accountable. Public shaming on their
• 33:14
  trashiness. That's correct.
• 33:16
  That's correct. So it was more difficult that
• 33:20
  year. But something that's really cool
• 33:22
  that they have is something called the Playa Zamboni.
• 33:27
  That sounds awesome. So if someone will bring out
• 33:30
  something, please don't ever do this.
• 33:32
  If you bring out fake turf, you know, the grassy whatever stuff,
• 33:37
  please don't bring that to the desert.
• 33:39
  Number one, just don't. But people will do that and
• 33:41
  they'll lay it out on the Playa. Imagine that gets rained on and
• 33:45
  then all these little pieces of green plastic turf just get
• 33:49
  embedded into the desert. Don't do it.
• 33:54
  So when that happens, that's not something that people can
• 33:56
  individually pick out, which is what they're doing for all of
• 33:59
  the other MOOP that they find out in the Playa when they're
• 34:02
  walking in and cleaning up. So they mark it on the map and
• 34:05
  they say bring the Playa Zamboni out here, they bring out this
• 34:08
  machine and it literally turns up the Playa and then they scoop
• 34:13
  it all up and take it away. So put it into a dumpster.
• 34:17
  And that is pretty much the only thing that can be done in those
• 34:21
  situations. And that does happen, right?
• 34:25
  And again, it's a part of that restoration team that helps to
• 34:30
  truly clean all that up. And I would encourage anybody
• 34:33
  that wants to go to Bernie manner has gone to Bernie man to
• 34:36
  come back and be a part of that to because that is the core.
• 34:41
  You will understand what this event is really about outside of
• 34:45
  the sex, drugs and Rock'n'roll is.
• 34:47
  This is maintaining the beauty of this incredible area that we
• 34:51
  are so lucky to be able to create this temporary city of
• 34:55
  magic within. One of my yeah.
• 34:58
  It's so easy for people to go out and just experience
• 35:02
  something and let that experience stay there.
• 35:07
  But until you actually go and do the aftermath of it and see the
• 35:13
  impact, what it takes to put it together and break it down, you
• 35:17
  you're just living on like the surface of that experience.
• 35:21
  Yeah. Getting to the real nitty gritty
• 35:25
  bones of it and seeing, wow, this is what goes into making
• 35:30
  this happen. Like I experienced that on river
• 35:32
  trips a lot where people can just show up, get on the boat,
• 35:35
  go float, have a great time. But then when they actually see
• 35:39
  the days of planning that go into it and how much gear is
• 35:43
  coming out of the raft and how they're having these amazing
• 35:47
  meals that they didn't even know was in that cooler, and then
• 35:52
  they see all of that get cleaned up and put away and stored.
• 35:57
  It expands their capacity to have that experience and
• 36:01
  understand like, wow, this isn't just surface level.
• 36:05
  This is there's depth. Yeah, and maybe they'll be a
• 36:08
  little bit more graceful when something does, you know, a
• 36:10
  mistake happens or you know something.
• 36:12
  That's when we were doing like waste management, 0 waste
• 36:16
  practices in community. People would be like, Oh well, I
• 36:20
  just throw it away. And the whole concept of, well,
• 36:22
  there is no away. When you take people to a
• 36:25
  landfill and they see all of the stuff that they threw away that
• 36:31
  is still just there, it has a trickle down effect of how they
• 36:36
  purchase things later and they're thinking about this
• 36:39
  thing does have to go somewhere. Somebody has to deal with where
• 36:43
  this is going to go. If it doesn't leave with me,
• 36:47
  somebody else is gonna figure out what to do with it.
• 36:49
  So how can I not leave as many things?
• 36:52
  Well, it's reduce comes before reuse and recycle.
• 36:56
  Yeah, you reduce 1st. And I was always trying to like
• 36:59
  imprint that into all my like, master recycler people when I
• 37:02
  did that certification. Yeah, I'm a master recycler too
• 37:05
  and there's like 7 other Rs. Yeah, we're all master
• 37:09
  recyclers. But there's like there's almost
• 37:14
  a dozen Rs, there's repair, there's repurpose, there's help
• 37:22
  me out here. Master recyclers reduce, reuse,
• 37:26
  recycle, repair, repurpose, repurpose.
• 37:31
  There's something about like decomposition rebuild.
• 37:37
  There's a bunch of other Rs that come long before recycle and
• 37:42
  reuse that are all about reduction.
• 37:47
  Yeah, I need to get better about it.
• 37:49
  I've been off my game a little bit.
• 37:50
  Me too, honestly. It's hard.
• 37:53
  I, when I was thinking about having this conversation with
• 37:56
  the both of you, I was thinking about Leave No Trace and I the
• 38:03
  concept of morale, there's spirituality and then there's
• 38:06
  morality, right? And one of the things that I
• 38:09
  feel like is a core tenet of my morality outside of spirituality
• 38:14
  is that I believe that every single person that exists on
• 38:17
  this planet today has a moral obligation to pick up trash.
• 38:22
  I. Really do.
• 38:23
  We were all born. Every single person alive on the
• 38:26
  planet was born into an era where there's all this
• 38:30
  production, there's all of this consumption there, and they're
• 38:33
  systems beyond our control. And so we have a moral
• 38:36
  imperative as people that exist on this beautiful planet and
• 38:40
  rely on it for our entire livelihood to pick up what we
• 38:45
  see. And it's not to say that, you
• 38:48
  know, like trash exists. There is no way, like you were
• 38:51
  saying. And we can still protect things
• 38:55
  in the wild like rivers, waters, this beautiful side of a
• 39:00
  mountain that we're on. And if we see things that are
• 39:03
  there, that we see matter out of place, we can decide that there
• 39:07
  is a place for trash and we can decide what to do with that.
• 39:10
  And we need all of us, every single one of us, again, that is
• 39:14
  alive, could be picking up trash for the rest of our lives and we
• 39:17
  still would not be done. We are the clean up generation
• 39:20
  and that's everyone alive now. Today, let's get it.
• 39:26
  I love that. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:27
  I try to pick up as much as I can too.
• 39:30
  Yeah, and it's hard. It's overwhelming.
• 39:31
  Oh my God. I used to.
• 39:33
  I used to go down to the Illy in the summer.
• 39:36
  Have you been down to the Illinois Rivera to enjoy?
• 39:39
  Well, we'll have to go down there.
• 39:42
  I used to bring giant black trash bags from Applebee's
• 39:46
  because I worked at Applebee's at that time and I used to steal
• 39:48
  a few trash bags at a time. And yeah, thanks Applebee's.
• 39:54
  Fringe Fringe benefits of corporate jobs.
• 39:57
  And I would literally fill up one of those, like I think they
• 40:03
  were beyond 13 gallons. Like I think they were like 16
• 40:09
  to 20 gallon bags. Like they were giant dumpster
• 40:11
  bags and I mean diapers. I even got like a little virtue
• 40:18
  on somebody and I was like. They they just changed their
• 40:22
  baby. I kind of like saw it out of the
• 40:24
  corner of my eye. I was young.
• 40:25
  I don't didn't know how to approach people really about
• 40:27
  stuff, but they just like left their fucking.
• 40:29
  I was like, do you shit in your backyard too?
• 40:32
  Like they're like, go ahead, beautiful.
• 40:36
  Place like that, you can be there and it's so gorgeous and
• 40:39
  you look down and it's covered with trash and it didn't
• 40:41
  completely ruin store experience.
• 40:44
  It can ruin the the inherent beauty of the place and those of
• 40:50
  us who have this moral imperative to clean things up,
• 40:53
  leave things better than we found them, remove things that
• 40:56
  don't belong in the setting, in the environment.
• 41:00
  Now we don't get to enjoy that place freely and in a relaxed
• 41:05
  state. When I go to places like that,
• 41:07
  then my whole time there is spent picking.
• 41:10
  Up the trash. Well, you know, like.
• 41:12
  Oh yeah, I have fun doing that. Sure.
• 41:14
  That is my moral imperative. I'm like, oh, OK, I can pick up
• 41:17
  trash, but like, I don't want to fucking pick up other people's
• 41:19
  trash. I want to be able to come and
• 41:21
  enjoy this place as relaxed as you did when you were tossing
• 41:25
  your shit. Well, I just thought of a really
• 41:27
  good compromise because I'm all about finding the deals these
• 41:30
  days to work with all sorts of people in my life and like to
• 41:33
  come up to like a come to a compromise in all sorts of
• 41:37
  backgrounds. And I just thought to myself,
• 41:39
  better way I could do that. And maybe I'll do it this summer
• 41:42
  if I see it happening is I'll bring extra trash bags and say,
• 41:45
  Hey, did you bring a trash bag? I have one for you.
• 41:48
  And usually if you kind of offer that, I feel like people are
• 41:52
  more receptive because part of the problem is they forgot a
• 41:54
  fucking trash bag. Let's be real, like some people
• 41:56
  just fucking forgot. I have been in the situation
• 41:58
  where I'm like shit next I have to leave this for whatever
• 42:02
  reason because I don't like something happened.
• 42:04
  Next time I'm going to come and pick up two trash bags worth to
• 42:07
  make up for what I. Did whenever I forget a dog poop
• 42:10
  bag. The next time I'm out I pick up
• 42:12
  multiple piles of dog shit. What do you think about that?
• 42:16
  Is that would that be? I think that's great.
• 42:18
  OK, good trade off. I I do that all the time where I
• 42:21
  go out to a place and I think naturally like, yeah, there
• 42:24
  won't be any trash out there. Of course, it's a beautiful spot
• 42:26
  and then you go there and there's trash and you go, you
• 42:30
  know, so having something, even if it is like a, a plastic dog
• 42:34
  bag, a dog poop bag, I can say words, you can use even that or
• 42:40
  I love the idea. And I've done this too, where
• 42:42
  I've gone back to a place where I went on a walk in a park and I
• 42:46
  was so upset about what I saw and I didn't have anything with
• 42:51
  me and my partner at the time. I told him about it and he said,
• 42:54
  let's go back there and let's bring bags and let's clean it
• 42:58
  up. And I really thank him for that
• 43:02
  moment because I was depressed. I think that's what happens to
• 43:05
  me when I see trash out in the world is that I literally feel
• 43:09
  depressed about it. And the, the resolution to that
• 43:13
  is to do something and, and to, to go back there.
• 43:16
  And I think that carrying extra bags, it's like if I was out
• 43:19
  again on a trail and someone is like, Hey, I brought this trash
• 43:23
  bag. If you see anything, you know,
• 43:25
  you use it. I I'm offering something for you
• 43:28
  to use. That's such an empowering thing.
• 43:31
  And it's, it's kind. It's, it's, it's awesome.
• 43:34
  And it would make me think, even if I saw no trash on that trail,
• 43:38
  I would go, I have that I can use it.
• 43:41
  And now that I have that tool with me.
• 43:45
  Yes, well, I found that. I found that there was another
• 43:49
  time close to that time I was talking about with the diaper
• 43:52
  situation where we were back like the next weekend or
• 43:55
  whatever in my group didn't have any bags to put their cans in
• 44:00
  when we were enjoying the beers, you know, and it's like shit.
• 44:02
  And I was putting them all in this like half broken down, you
• 44:05
  know, Barber. Box, Yeah.
• 44:07
  To try to and I did as much as I could, you know, but if somebody
• 44:10
  was like, hey, you didn't bring a bag for those here, here's a
• 44:14
  bag and I'd be like. Thank you, you just saved my
• 44:17
  stress instead of oh you didn't bring it back for that you piece
• 44:20
  of shit, because that's where you're just going to leave.
• 44:22
  Some, you know, and so I think it's more.
• 44:25
  It builds community too, even if it's not like a tight knit
• 44:29
  community, just making that connection of I have something
• 44:33
  that I see that you need. Thank you for giving me that
• 44:36
  thing that you saw that I needed.
• 44:37
  Now we have like a tie of love and connection and the whole
• 44:44
  world is better through that love.
• 44:47
  So it's such a good talking point too.
• 44:48
  Yeah. Yeah, anyway.
• 44:50
  We're at our cut off time for where you have to go to next.
• 44:55
  Yes. Do you have any final parting
• 44:57
  words? I have a question about it.
• 44:59
  Part it, part her, part her out. We got 2.
• 45:03
  X we got 2R. S we got.
• 45:06
  When you leave this earth, what do you want your being to be
• 45:12
  remembered as? Like what do you want to be
• 45:14
  remembered as when you pass? I hope that I am remembered as
• 45:21
  someone who is loved. I think that's the important
• 45:25
  thing for me at my core, is that I, when my body and my spirit is
• 45:31
  no longer present on the planet, I hope that I am, and this is
• 45:35
  Judaism here. I hope that my memory is a
• 45:37
  blessing to other people. And I hope that I how I lived in
• 45:43
  this world impacted, yeah, someone's heart to know that
• 45:48
  either I love them and I was loving, or just that they love
• 45:52
  and miss me. I don't think there's no trash
• 45:55
  and otherwise, and I don't know if there's really anything else
• 45:58
  besides that. Just love, yeah.
• 46:00
  Cool. Your existence is a blessing to
• 46:03
  me and hopefully all of our viewers and fans will also feel
• 46:08
  the blessing that your existence is.
• 46:10
  Thank you for joining us and being here on this planet and
• 46:13
  being an inspiration and an expander of existence in my
• 46:18
  life. And I loved getting to know you
• 46:21
  more. Yay, yay and.
• 46:25
  Well. We're going to have you back for
• 46:26
  a Part 2. Yeah.
• 46:27
  I feel like there's so much, so much more.
• 46:29
  Yes. We just are a little time
• 46:31
  limited today. Yeah, and do you want people to
• 46:34
  be able to find you on the Internet?
• 46:36
  And if so, where would they find you?
• 46:38
  Oh sure, you can find me on the Internet, I suppose.
• 46:42
  I do have a private account on Instagram but you can find me
• 46:47
  Rihanna Shree, that's my name. Slide into her DMS and ask
• 46:50
  permission first. DMS ask.
• 46:53
  Can you do that if you're things on private?
• 46:55
  It'll go into like a, oh, that's requested messages or something.
• 46:59
  Yeah, correct. OK, cool.
• 47:01
  Yeah, that's very. Cool, slide into the to her DMS,
• 47:04
  yeah? Nothing else.
• 47:07
  Like, I'm pretty cool. Yeah, yes, yeah.
• 47:10
  But also, if you don't want people to find you on the
• 47:11
  Internet, that's OK too. Yeah, it's all good.
• 47:13
  Yeah, that's fine. I mean, you don't have to find
• 47:15
  me. Is there any particular like
• 47:18
  company or account where you could direct people like Yeah.
• 47:22
  Actually yes, OK, you can find me on Instagram at Jewish
• 47:27
  Forager which is all of my mushroom for a gene.
• 47:31
  I try to collect it all in one place.
• 47:34
  So yeah, follow me. And that's her.
• 47:36
  For, is that an open account? It is an open account.
• 47:38
  Cool. Perfect.
• 47:39
  Open account Forager you can find me.
• 47:42
  It's there with all the mushrooms and awesome.
• 47:45
  Yay, mushrooms. Yeah.
• 47:47
  Thank you for being part of our community and being our friend,
• 47:50
  OK? We got to do a deep squat.
• 47:51
  We love you. Are we ending all of them with
• 47:53
  deep squats? I don't know, let's let's do my
• 47:54
  gorgeous. Squat.
• 47:55
  Do you want to do this? What do you want?
• 47:56
  Yeah. Deep squat.
• 47:57
  Deep squat. Show me.
• 48:00
  OK, heels have to be on the ground.
• 48:02
  Yeah. And there you go.
• 48:05
  I bet this. Yeah, it's this.
• 48:07
  It's Velocina. Yeah, my back isn't.
• 48:10
  Back and you're probably probably spend a lot of time
• 48:11
  like this looking for mushrooms. I do, yes, yes.
• 48:15
  And I hope that everyone feels comfortable in this position.
• 48:18
  It's really good for your Physiology.
• 48:20
  It's a resting position. This is how humans should.
• 48:25
  Be. Sitting, resting, I like.
• 48:28
  To poop like this, Yeah. Yeah, it's great for your
• 48:30
  bowels. Let let me just say I love me a
• 48:33
  good forest shit. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:36
  Moves faster. Is that breeze coming up?
• 48:41
  Yeah. Kind of like breathe your sun
• 48:42
  the butt hole while you're. Get the sun in your perineum.
• 48:46
  Yeah, How do you? Feel about real quick.
• 48:48
  How do you feel about when I do? I dig a hole for my poop.
• 48:52
  When I poop and then I wipe with teepee, I bury that teepee.
• 48:57
  Is that OK? I don't think it is Technically
• 49:00
  yeah, but I feel good about it because it's paper.
• 49:04
  Maybe I should use like non bleached paper but like that's
• 49:07
  what I do. I mean, it's not visible ever.
• 49:10
  Buried is better than left on the surface.
• 49:12
  Right, Buried is better. Well, my dad did.
• 49:15
  My dad's all about leave no trace and he's always like bury
• 49:17
  your poop. He recommends packing out your
• 49:21
  teepee, but bury your poop always.
• 49:23
  He always gets pissed. He's like.
• 49:24
  I know that was human shit right there.
• 49:27
  What the fuck? Yeah, I mean if.
• 49:29
  You want to be really strict. The TV have a separate like, you
• 49:32
  know, right paper bag that you put it in, you know.
• 49:36
  And then let's do a twerk. Yeah, then.
• 49:38
  Oh yeah, I can't twerk my shoulder.
• 49:42
  It's a mountain twerk. It's a mountain twerk.
• 49:44
  It's a it's a it's a mountain twerk.
• 49:47
  Floss it. Oh yeah, I will do this with you
• 49:49
  mountain floss. Mountain floss.
• 49:55
  Awesome. I want to know what these
• 49:56
  mountains are right there, that whole range.
• 50:00
  Yeah, yeah, dude. Oh my gosh, that's so
• 50:02
  interesting. Isn't she?
• 50:03
  Oh, she's like, fascinated. I'm.
• 50:05
  Always. I'm so fascinated by Colts.
• 50:08
  General SO. That's like, insane.
• 50:11
  Yeah, there's. A nice one where they're like
• 50:13
  many women are separated and you need to wear masks and don't
• 50:18
  grow up here. Like, I didn't want to get it
• 50:20
  all that like Wagy, like the bad.
• 50:22
  Shit, all of it. You know, or like you.
• 50:25
  Can only entrances and your head should only be to the north like
• 50:30
  all like don't enter through the South the butt hole of this.
• 50:33
  Building Wow. My God, it goes.
• 50:34
  It goes well. I I imagine that once this
• 50:39
  episode is published and people listen, people will be like, we
• 50:43
  want to hear more about the cult.
• 50:45
  We brought Rihanna back, so. Bring Rihanna back for Part Part
• 50:49
  4 about the cult. Cult Life.
• 50:52
  Cult life with Rihanna. Yes, it's like a part 4.
• 50:57
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• 51:06
  White and Emily Berlant. The go wildly music is rainmaker
• 51:09
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• 51:12
  recorded on location at Isabel Mountain in Southern Oregon.
• 51:16
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• 51:18
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• 51:21
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• 51:24
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