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#1947 Speaking Of Vasectomies - Dr. Cam McDonald · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Doctor Cam, your big stud, Welcome back to the probably
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  Speaker 1: less of a stud today than yesterday morning, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll dive into that.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Cam. Welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Kate be Harps. And there's no test to say I'm
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  Speaker 3: less of a stud right now. It could come in time.
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  Speaker 1: Well that that is true, Well we might as well
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  Speaker 1: just open the batting with that.
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  Speaker 2: We were.
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  Speaker 1: This was not You didn't jump on and say I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about this. You were just telling me
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  Speaker 1: and I said are you brave enough? And you went, oh,
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  Speaker 1: if we have to. But so we're recording this on
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday the twenty second and yesterday the twenty first.
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  Speaker 2: You had a little bit of work.
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  Speaker 1: Done downstairs in the underbelly of you. You had a sectomy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just spit it out, Harps.
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  Speaker 2: How are you feeling like?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: It's so? It's what is at one o'clock? Now? What
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  Speaker 2: time did you get that done?
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  Speaker 4: I got it done one thirty yesterday. It's the most
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  Speaker 4: surreal experience because you book.
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  Speaker 3: A half hour session.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, surely this is some sort of
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  Speaker 4: like the doctor gets to know me type situation because
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  Speaker 4: I booked a half hour session and you walk in
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  Speaker 4: there and they give you a little video and he says, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we'll do this this, and this is like oh okay,
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  Speaker 4: oh it's all happening in a half hour appointment. So
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  Speaker 4: you get in, you have five minutes of shaking hands
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  Speaker 4: with the man, and then it's It's just what I
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  Speaker 4: was so fascinated by was he's done thousands of these
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  Speaker 4: because he's a vasectomy specialist. What is the order that
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  Speaker 4: he will do this in that he's obviously learnt over time.
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  Speaker 4: That creates the greatest amount of comfort, greatest amount efficiency,
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  Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. I just love looking
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  Speaker 4: at all of that as a process. But anyway, so
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  Speaker 4: we talked about that later. So you're in, it's he
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  Speaker 4: explained it to you. You jump down and then he
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  Speaker 4: just does the things. It's like a one millimeter less
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  Speaker 4: than a one millimeter incision and the whole thing's done
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  Speaker 4: about fifteen minutes, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the incision is like the other end of
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  Speaker 2: a matchstick.
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  Speaker 4: Less I would say, almost, Yeah, I guess I guess that,
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know how he does it, but there
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  Speaker 4: is the Chinese bit of local anesthetic.
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  Speaker 3: I just loved his language with this as well, he goes.
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  Speaker 4: Just a bit of anesthetic, like that you're going to
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  Speaker 4: instead of you're going to feel a prick.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a bit of anesthetic. I really well, I
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to feel a bit of a prick, and
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  Speaker 1: so is he ish form haunt intended.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I'm like you in that.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm fascinated with The whole thing is thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got to meet you, talk to you, try
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  Speaker 1: to some you know, I'm sure you're pretty okay with it,
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  Speaker 1: but some guys would be borderline hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: I would think, probably me included. So you've got to
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  Speaker 2: do all the.
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  Speaker 1: Interpersonal stuff and the social stuff and the be the
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  Speaker 1: doctor or in the patient stuff. They get to know
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  Speaker 1: you as much as you can, watch the video, do
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  Speaker 1: an operation, and then be out thirty twenty nine and
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  Speaker 1: a half minutes later.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: It's so fascinating as well, because this is the most
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  Speaker 4: personal I've ever been with a man ever.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I've never never granted the access that
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  Speaker 3: this guy had, and.
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  Speaker 4: You walk out at the end of it, and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I've got a real bond with this dude.
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  Speaker 3: But he's doing tent of them that day. I guess
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  Speaker 3: I was just thinking about what, like, he's got a fine,
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  Speaker 3: we now have a.
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  Speaker 4: Connection, because there was really no connection. But for me,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, man, this is like one of the biggest
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  Speaker 4: moments of my reproductive life, the end of it.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, that was fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: But even just yeah, just jump up on you on
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  Speaker 4: the table with your clothes on. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: and that's when I got my wheels turning. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: what is he up to here? And he goes, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: now just take see those shorts, just take them down
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  Speaker 4: to your ankles.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the language of it all.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's so fascinating anyway. And then he's just he's
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  Speaker 4: just spraying it with antiseptic for about a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Like just with a big, a big home spray.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, So you drenched in antiseptic by the time that
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  Speaker 4: it starts.
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  Speaker 3: And then and.
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  Speaker 4: Then I look, there's just this background tension in your
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  Speaker 4: body because you're waiting for, you know, the slaughter to begin.
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  Speaker 4: And so I just start said, mate, I was just thinking,
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  Speaker 4: as he's going starting the process, how did you get
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  Speaker 4: into this? Like he just just fell into us, and
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  Speaker 4: you can't just fall into something.
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  Speaker 3: Like this, you know what I mean, so fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Like just a heterosexual guy just doing for sectomies all
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  Speaker 4: day long like that, that to.
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  Speaker 3: Me blows my mind. He goes, yeah, I just had
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a knack for it.
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  Speaker 4: And so apparently you to be thousands of people doing viseectomes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, maybe maybe two a month, and now there
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  Speaker 4: are twelve vseectimists that do thousands, Like there's like two
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  Speaker 4: and a half the sectimists that do eighty percent of
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  Speaker 4: the vasectoms in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: I want the guy that does all of them. I
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  Speaker 1: want the busiest guy. I want the most skilled, the
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  Speaker 1: most experienced, the most relaxed. I don't want the dude
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  Speaker 1: who's doing me to be a little bit uptight while
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  Speaker 1: he's fucking cutting into my nuts.
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  Speaker 4: He's been doing them for fifteen years. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm feeling real good at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Normally, did you feel did you feel compelled? Sorry, did
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  Speaker 2: you feel compelled to talk?
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  Speaker 1: Like would you have felt if you just lay there
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  Speaker 1: and didn't talk to him, would you have felt weirder?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, he was very comfortable, So that definitely made
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  Speaker 4: it more comfortable, and I know that.
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  Speaker 3: You've always got the choice to talk or not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm probably just I was just so curious. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: so curious as to why he would decide to do this.
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  Speaker 4: And I found halfway through that conversation I relaxed. So
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  Speaker 4: the talking for me probably helped. Yeah, yeah, rather than
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  Speaker 4: just trying to feel everything like it was a good distraction.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing when you're around somebody who has a
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  Speaker 1: very high level of skill or competence or mastery at
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  Speaker 1: something that you've never done, and then you try, like
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  Speaker 1: they make it look so easy. And I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about trying and aseexting me on someone, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, oh god, this person, this is so easy
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  Speaker 1: for them. And so that's that, you know, whatever, ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand hours. I'm sure it's more or less depending on
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  Speaker 1: the skill and the individual and all of that, but
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  Speaker 1: there is definitely a level of you know, like, I
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  Speaker 1: guess this is a dumb analogy, but for me, I
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  Speaker 1: started riding motorbikes when I was five and I still
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  Speaker 1: ride most days of my life, right, so it's whatever
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  Speaker 1: that is fifty five years of riding motorbikes.
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  Speaker 2: So For me, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm obviously subconsciously aware of what I'm doing, but
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  Speaker 1: riding a motorbike is to me way easier than driving
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  Speaker 1: a car.
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  Speaker 2: And I can drive cars okay as well.
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  Speaker 1: But when I'm teaching someone to ride a motorbike, which
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  Speaker 1: I've done probably fifty times, where I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess when you've got to clutch here in a
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  Speaker 1: front bake a break over here, and a rear break
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  Speaker 1: over here, and a gear change here, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: the indicators down here, and like none of that shit
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  Speaker 1: you can look at like you can't look away from
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  Speaker 1: the road, and it's not like in a car where
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of almost in your line of sight. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of it obviously not the pedals, But I realize
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  Speaker 1: how difficult it is to ride a motorbike. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking about a scooter, but a motorbike with gears and
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  Speaker 1: clutch and you know, people don't even realize most people
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  Speaker 1: they have or non motorcyclists don't realize they have two
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  Speaker 1: different brakes, right, one for the front wheel for the
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  Speaker 1: back and yeah, and then you I teach someone, I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is not easy this is actually really complicated, but
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  Speaker 1: I've done it ten million times. Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's a version of that.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's the and it's probably I.
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  Speaker 4: Have the same type of experience now and I'm explaining
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  Speaker 4: precision health for the first time. You have to go
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  Speaker 4: back to the first time you presented it, when all
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  Speaker 4: of the brand new information was brand new to you
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  Speaker 4: as well, and you were really excited just about sharing
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  Speaker 4: the really really basic stuff. And that's definitely a lesson
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  Speaker 4: that I've learned too, is there's so much that needs
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  Speaker 4: to be stepped out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think.
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  Speaker 1: That for somebody like you or me, who's you know,
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  Speaker 1: among other things, educators, where you're helping people, you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to help people to help themselves. So you want to
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  Speaker 1: make the information as user friendly but also accurate, yes,
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  Speaker 1: as possible. And if I just start banging on about
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  Speaker 1: like I get asked probably three times a week, what
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  Speaker 1: is your PhD about? And how I answer that question
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  Speaker 1: can determine whether or not there's total engagement and curiosity
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  Speaker 1: and revelation and awareness or just complete fucking bamboozlement. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all right, well give me one minute
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  Speaker 1: and I'll give you the very user friendly it's still
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  Speaker 1: this is what it is, but let me explain it
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  Speaker 1: in a way where not only you'll get it. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not because people are dumb that they can't get it,
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  Speaker 1: of course, it's just a different language. Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: akademia is just a different language.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you know the idea of when you
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  Speaker 4: get into research, you realize how long it's going to
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  Speaker 4: take to understand the entire body of literature, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: the PhD I did was a Mega three in exercise
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  Speaker 4: in women completing breast cancer specifically on lean body mass
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  Speaker 4: and seer reactive protein.
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  Speaker 3: So any other outcome you need a brand new study.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's yeah, so yes, and then the specificity
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  Speaker 4: of it all, it's crazy. It's all changing that we're
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  Speaker 4: going away from randomized control trials. The new evolution will
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  Speaker 4: only be personalized algorithms. That's where it's going to be,
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  Speaker 4: no more RCTs in time.
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  Speaker 2: That's well.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing too is I don't want to get
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  Speaker 1: on anything near a high horse. But you know, when
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  Speaker 1: people go to me, I've done my research. Like I
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  Speaker 1: used to say that, I go I've done my research,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: I've watched four fucking videos on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You know where you think, Oh, obviously I did some
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  Speaker 1: research with my first degree in all of that, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be sound like a bloody academic whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like, oh yeah, it's And then even
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  Speaker 1: you realize that what a lot of people are saying,
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  Speaker 1: who do have allegedly some level of credibility and qualification,
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  Speaker 1: you still can't take that as gospel either. You've still
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  Speaker 1: got to go away and go because these guys have
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  Speaker 1: both got PhDs and they're saying quite different shit about
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  Speaker 1: the same subject matter.
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  Speaker 2: And then you go, I wonder if either of them
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  Speaker 2: are selling anything.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they both are. See what are they selling? Oh
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  Speaker 1: they have a program? Oh I wonder if that research
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  Speaker 1: that they were telling me about kind of lines up
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  Speaker 1: with what they's you know, And so you just got
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  Speaker 1: to be I think you've got to pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: But you've got to be wise, You've got to be discerning.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to hopefully learn how to definitely not become
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  Speaker 1: a you know, a guru in reading academic literature, but
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  Speaker 1: at the least try and understand a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: what you're opening the door on, so that you know
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  Speaker 1: when people are bullshitting you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, just and knowing what you don't know
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 4: That's probably the you know, when I came out of dietetics,
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  Speaker 4: and I saw this in a lot of my medical
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  Speaker 4: friends as well. I went through through living on campus
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  Speaker 4: with a bunch of med students as I was studying
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  Speaker 4: xphiz and you would come up to it, like one
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  Speaker 4: of these graduated doctors now, and I'd be coming from
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  Speaker 4: dietetic land and I'd say, oh, yeah, this seems to
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  Speaker 4: work for that. Oh, there's no evidence for that that
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  Speaker 4: they've done a day of nutrition in their life, but
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  Speaker 4: because it's this is where and I was like that
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  Speaker 4: as well as a dietitian, I know, you just got
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  Speaker 4: to eat five vegs to fruit. Everyone's got to have
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  Speaker 4: this many grains and that solves all of our problems.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, what.
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  Speaker 4: About this person over here that did this diet and
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  Speaker 4: got the most amazing results ever, was like, dah.
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  Speaker 3: Not real.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you just get you get trained to discard
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  Speaker 4: the individual, which was yeah, and that the granularity of
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  Speaker 4: all of that is just it's almost impossible to fathom
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  Speaker 4: and that that's why that's why AI is say, bloody good,
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  Speaker 4: that's why it's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: I mean also, like in the same conversation, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of people who have come to me over the years
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  Speaker 1: who have gone on my doctor said I shouldn't squat
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  Speaker 1: or deadlift, and I'm like, Okay, the people again, this
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  Speaker 1: is people with no injuries. I'm going why because I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to get injured. I'm like, well, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get injured if you fucking don't you know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to get or there's a there's more of a chance,
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  Speaker 1: like if we squat intelligently with good technique and with
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  Speaker 1: very light weights, and the same with deadlifting, or the
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  Speaker 1: same with any you know, it could be a range
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  Speaker 1: of compound movements or even isolation movements, but we do
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  Speaker 1: it the right way with the right kind of intensity
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  Speaker 1: and sets and reps and volume and workload. But bah,
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  Speaker 1: bah bah, you're actually just going to build a functional, strong,
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  Speaker 1: healthy body, not to mention you know, your skeleton and
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  Speaker 1: the cognitive benefits and all of that stuff. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we love, we love doctors, and we need doctors,
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  Speaker 1: and doctors are great, but doctors do zero days of
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  Speaker 1: exercise programming in their course, Like exercise prescription is not
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  Speaker 1: part of what they study, and so it's funny that
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  Speaker 1: they would prescribe x other than saying listen, exercise is good.
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  Speaker 1: But then to be then to specifically tell people what
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  Speaker 1: they should or shouldn't do in terms of individual movements
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  Speaker 1: in the gym.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's curious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And because they have the authority right now, and there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good reason for them to have authority,
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  Speaker 4: particularly on emergency medicine and all of those types of things.
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  Speaker 3: It's from medication perspective, it's.
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  Speaker 4: People get limited, and then you have cowboys that make
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  Speaker 4: a very compelling argument for something crazy, and then you've
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  Speaker 4: got the people in the middle that are riding the
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  Speaker 4: conservative fence. And it's really really hard to be a loud,
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  Speaker 4: rational voice in the conversation around health.
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  Speaker 3: It's a game of absolutes. It's either this absolutely works
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  Speaker 3: or it absolutely doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: And only even in a long form you know, podcasting
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  Speaker 4: and things like that where you can actually really get
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  Speaker 4: into it, people still just take away the simple details
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  Speaker 4: and the reels that come out of them are quite absolute.
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  Speaker 4: In the recommendations that are provided, so it's it's yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's very, very difficult to know that you're actually working
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  Speaker 4: with the right information.
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like when somebody like Craig Harper
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  Speaker 1: says on a podcast, doctors aren't really trying to prescribe
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  Speaker 1: exercise specifically, and then people go, oh, what do you
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  Speaker 1: have against doctors? I'm like, did you fucking listen to
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  Speaker 1: what I said? I love doctors, don't most things don't
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  Speaker 1: talk to me. I'm a dickhead. If it's a medical condition,
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  Speaker 1: if it's any you know, but if it's actually how
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  Speaker 1: to write an exercise program for an individual based on
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  Speaker 1: their current kind of needs and goals and physiology, I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually trained, very well trained for that. They're not, which
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  Speaker 1: is not to say they're not brilliant and important.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they're great.
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  Speaker 1: But just like I wouldn't want him or her to
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  Speaker 1: build my barbecue out of bricks because they're not fucking
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  Speaker 1: trained for that, you know. I want the brick layer
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  Speaker 1: with the skills to come to my joint to build
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  Speaker 1: the barbecue, not the surta gin.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of exercise, I'll go and you're going to tell
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  Speaker 2: me something.
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  Speaker 3: Just one last comment.
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  Speaker 4: Similarly, the doctors are under quite a bit of pressure
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  Speaker 4: to know it all because the patient's expected, and that's
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  Speaker 4: that's one of the other factors that they come in
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  Speaker 4: fex Me, let's go, I've got ten minutes to sort
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  Speaker 4: my life out, and you're going to fix me. So
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  Speaker 4: that's an additional pressure that's been placing into what were
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  Speaker 4: you going to say?
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  Speaker 2: One percent?
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, like honestly, and I'm not being I'm
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: not saying that smooth. And I think doctors are great.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I've got a doctor who's my doctor. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: love my doctor who's a little bit like did you
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: ever see that show House?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that TV? Do you know?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: He was like a like a medical sleuth, like a
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: medical detective.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: My dude's really good. He'll just sit there and he
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: gives you long appointments.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: You pay for them, but and he will just work
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: through everything methodically and ask you brilliant questions.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: There's no urgency.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And then like I went in there, I've got this
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: thing where I don't know what you think. You might
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: have an opinion. You're a doctor, different kind, but you're
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a doctor. So I have this thing where my ear
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: is one or the other and sometimes both block. I
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: think it's you station tube dysfunction. That's my self diagnosis,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: right anyway, So I went into him and I said, look,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: this is and it's not painful and it's not life threatening.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: It's just a fucking annoyance, especially when I'm on stage talking,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: when it's like I'm talking a room full of people
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and I've got a bucket on my head and i
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: can hear my own voice coming back. It's not coming back,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: but it seems like it's coming back in my own head.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And it's so it makes it very hard to be
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: really good at what you do because it's like a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: massive in the moment distraction.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And so he just sat there and just.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Walked me through all this stuff, of these potentials, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: then we finished and he goes, all right, so here's
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: our plan. It's a five step plan starting from now.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: This is what we're doing.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And he just.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Mapped out this whole. I'm like, you're good, Yeah, you're good,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: like and he went, we're going to start with this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, then we're going to do this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, you're going to go get this done.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, you know, there was this whole
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: contingency and it made total sense, and I went, Fuck,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'd rather pay two hundred bucks for you
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: than one hundred bucks or for somebody else who you know, Like,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it's just you get the right person, whether or not
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they're a dietitian or an exercise physiologist or a medical
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: doctor or a you know whatever whoever sectimist, Like there's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: within reason, you know, there's no price that's too high
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: if they're great at what they do.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of exercise, you were telling me that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You've you've been doing a deep dive for the last
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seven weeks and you're kind of in getting in really,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I mean you're always in good shape, but you feel
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like you've maken a bit of ground and a bit
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of a breakthrough over the last while.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd have you because the last two or three years,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: my body has been a bit odd.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It's just been not responding the way that it used to.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: And I know that we did an episode on the
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: retreat and the release of all of the things.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, following that, I've.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Had about six centimeters come off my waist. There's obviously
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: some sort of background stress that was released at that time,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: and it is fascinating and I've just but I started
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: at the same time I started at the gym. Normally,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I would never pay for a gym just because I'm
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: a tight ass and.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: This, but this guy is running.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: It's fifty five dollars a week, which I think is
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: absolute extortion for a gym membership. However, it's turned out
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: to be the greatest of investments I could have ever made.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It's it's just small group.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: There's no anywhere between six to twelve, six to ten
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: people on it in an hour block.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He has a five thirty, six thirty nine.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: O'clock class, and the six thirty class just fits my
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: schedule perfectly, like nothing really seems to interrupt it. Forty
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: five minutes and I'm going five days a week and
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: he's got a couple of upper body, a lower body,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: a mobility and then an all body session. I am
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: in Heaven's two hundre meters down the road, so I
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: just go.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I do the workout it and.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Even still because when I met him, I said, mate,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: my body it needs higher rep range.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It's better in a lactic acid space.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: And we've just been doing a bunch of heavy eccentric
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: work to start with, which is not ideal for my
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: body first thing in the morning. But I'm just getting
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: on with it and doing the thing. But it has
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: been so good to be consistent. And I will say
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: that this guy I haven't met, he's twenty six. He
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: is a standout human, stand out him. He's just a
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: great dude. He's got it seems like no ego, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: a really healthy sense of self. I look at him, go,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: She's like, I can take some lessons from you, mate,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Like just the he won some Brazilian jiu jitsu competition
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: for Queensland, like a couple of weekends ago.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: So man, how is your weekend? He goes, Yeah, good man.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I competed, came first, and I was just I was
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: just observing, like what energy is coming along with him,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: just announcing that he's comforst There was nothing there.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Was just this is just the way that it is.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And it just so happens that I did this, And
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I'm actually pretty happy that.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I came first.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And I was like, mate, if I had.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I'm virtually not even there now, I'd be gloating a little.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Bit for sure, that I've been blown away by this
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: dude and his physical intelligence, like the way that he
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: understands his body moves, his body demonstrates movement. Ah, it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it's profound, and he's done just a really good job
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: at setting up the program.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: It's designed and the class is full of forty to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: fifty year olds.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: It is designed for those bodies where every scap retraction
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: is overemphasized, every activation is really it becomes the difficulty
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: in the movement is to really use those stabilizers correctly.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: And that it's just been because normally I just try
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: and flog myself by how many push ups can I do?
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: How many pools can I do? It's been so good
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: for intelligent movement. It's exactly what my body's needed. And
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: it's like it's just changed in the last six or
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: seven weeks.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's been brilliant, but also one that's amazing well done
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and great to see that or great to hear that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you love it and that you're getting results. But also,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: apart from the actual programming and the movement that you're doing,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: how great is it to be an environment with another
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: human that you really like, Like the energy is different.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You could be doing the exact same thing. Shit environment.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's dark and dank, and it's not I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you just like I fucking hate
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: going to that gym. It's like there's a cafe the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: cafe go to every morning. I walk past literally eight
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: or nine cafes to get to this cafe because I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: just love the energy in that cafe, you know, I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like being in that place.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: There's something energetic that works for me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me about the jiu jitsu thing, though,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: because I've got a bunch of friends who do jiu
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: jitsu and I'm mentor a young guy who's has his
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: own jiu jitsu academy. Is a second dan black belt,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: which there are not many takes typically ten years if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you train consistently to get a black belt in jiu jitsu.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's considered the hardest belt to get in any martial
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: art as far as I know.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It might be some weird.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Like mystical martial art somewhere, but in terms of all
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the general martial arts, and he's the same. He's just
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like this big, goofy gent giant. He's a school teacher,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: he's married, he's got two kids, and he could kill
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: everybody in the gym. But it just he is like
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Humphrey be Bear. He's like six', four gentle, giant you,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: know and but very like a lot of those dudes.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Are it's very much about respect and honor and self
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: awareness and self control and. Humility and when they start
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: from a white belt and they just they just grind
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and they spend years on the. Mat there's not many
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that the fat heads don't get.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Through they kind of get.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Culled if you've got a, big fat, ego you're going
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to get strangled by, someone and you're going to learn
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: your lessons.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: And strangled by people that are much smaller and seemingly much,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: weaker but they just know.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Exactly where to do things and how to do.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: It.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah it's, Yes.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's always been a wants me to investigate that
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: part of my, life But i'm just too much of
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a computer.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Soldier it just hasn't warranted a physical prowess.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yet tell me About so you've lost six centimeters around
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: your waist and you said that off the back of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this kind of moment that you had on this retreat
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: where if you missed, it everybody have listened to our last,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: chat but like a big emotional release and you had
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: this moment and this kind of you correct me IF
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: i fuck it, up but kind of awakening or this.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Moment what's the between that, moment that emotional, release or
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that moment in time and the six. Centimeters what's the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: physiology that's leading.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That is it?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Cortisol is it you're end the crime system in? General
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: is it something? Else what's the why is one causing
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: or correlating with the? Other?
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Yep so what was IF i had to put some
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: physiology into. It by the way that my brain is set,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: up there was like a constant fear of failure going
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: on in my, brain and so When i'd project, Forward
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: i'd be really, motivated but Then i'd also fear.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: That it's going to.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Fail and so there's this constant state of heightened neural.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Activity and for, me that activates the sympathetic nervous system
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: and the sympathetic nervous, system then it will.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Do a couple of. Things, chronically it will release a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: bit of.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Cortisol but what it does to the tissue is that
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: it will prioritize storing fat around your, belly and it
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: will break down muscle tissue to, fuel like to provide
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: more fuel to liberate more fuel into the, body and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: it will also break down more fat tissue and have
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: more fat circulating around your blood as.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Well but if you're then not moving.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Very, well WHICH i wasn't BECAUSE i just couldn't get
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: my brain into a space WHERE i could do it,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: consistently that then relates to high cholesterol, levels higher truglys,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: strides WHICH i. Had high cholesterol levels weren't, crazy but
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: they are definitely. Higher And i've always been pretty, healthy
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and my diet was on, point AND i did probably
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: two months of perfect diet and my body just did
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: not shift at. ALL i was sitting seven to eight
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: kilos heavy THAN i ever. Had and, yeah and so
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: As i've come out of, that there's now less neural
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: activity that's being over, activated which Means i'm going into better.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Recovery i'm not projecting with, anxiety.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: So there's less of that, breakdown and that's then obviously
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: allowing the fat tissue to be. Used and THEN i
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: also got my head into a space Where i'm now
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: moving a lot. Better that's combining with whatever is being
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Released i'm. Using so And i'm putting a priority on
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: my muscles Because i'm doing the type of strength training that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Allowed to do.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That so the focus of my body has gone From
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: i've just got to mentally get through this and keep
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: dumping fuel on the fire and keep burning that, muscle
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: whereas now, it's, hey we need that, muscle and there's
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: actually not a bigger fire.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Anymore so it's there's a conservation.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Of, muscle and then there's a use of the fat tissue,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: instead and then you're not having the cortisole release as,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: well so it's able to target the stuff that's going.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: On and then Since i've checked my just checked my
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: bloods last, week it's like my.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Thyroil even THOUGH i didn't have a problem functionally, FUNCTIONALLY
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: i had a problem with my. Thyroid actually it's gone
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: back to exactly where it needs to. BE i cholesterol
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: levels going back to. Normal there's just been a significant physiological.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Change and a skeptic could just say you started exercising,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: more so that's what's made it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Happen but there has.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Been just my, motivation my, willingness my mental, energy just
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the optimism THAT i, have the space That i'm.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Holding it's just, very, very very.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Different and that changed BEFORE i got really regular with
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the exercise as, Well so it's a combination of. Things but,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: yeah that's that's HOW i would explain what's going.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: On love.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It you spoke in there, somewhere maybe towards the start about.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Fear like fear can be, useful obviously serves a, purpose
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it can also be destructive and debilitating and. Crippling and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you know this IS i don't know if this is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in your, wheelhouse doesn't.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Matter we're just having a.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Chat tell me about, Fear tell me about your thinking
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: around that when like for, Yourself Like i'm scared of,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: them you, know WHEN i talk to, blokes or not just,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: blokes but people in a room in. General BUT i
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like it WHEN i talk to blokes can go, well
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of Course i'm scared of shit BECAUSE i feel like
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it gives them permission to.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Go oh Thank god for.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: That me, too because us, blokes we don't want to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: be you, know we're out for. Males we're not scared of,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: anything which is. Bullshit we're scared of every fucking second.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Thing we just don't want you to know because we
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: want you to think much better than we actually, are you. Know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah so tell me about you and fear and how
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you within the three sixty kind of.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Paradigm you talk about.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: That, Yep so well it's.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: START i guess there's going to be it's going to.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Start there's going to be a, input an input of
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: some sort of stimulus, something and it gets coded for.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Something an example would be you're walking along a bush
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: track and you see a long brown thing out of
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: the corner of your.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Eye because your peripherle vision isn't, perfect.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: You're, amgdala which is your it's like a big emotional.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Responder it's going to just take the rough particles of
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: that and it's going to apply a few meanings to.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: It and if you're an outdoorsman and you and, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: you've got a terrarium with seventeen brown snakes and you're
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: kissing them each, morning your response to that is going to, be,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: oh a new.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Friend you, know it's going to be.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Excitement but for most people it's going to be holy,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: crap that's a. Snake i've got to quicken my speed.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Here and then actually it turns out to be a,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: stick but that doesn't. Matter but the idea is that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: you're taking rough data and you're creating a story out of,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: that and then this is where it gets really.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Interesting is that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Some people will send that message to their, adrenals some
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: people will send it to their, cortex which is the
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: front part of their brain or the prefront of, cortex
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: and other individuals will send it to their digestive. System
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: and this is where it gets really interesting in.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: How we respond to.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Stress so you'll have the more introverted, people so people like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: me and we call them crusaders and, sensors and they
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: develop with a more, powerful a more dominant prefrontal, cortex
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: more dominant, cortex and they rely on their cortex a
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: lot more to manage all the stuff that goes on
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: in their. Life and so that's WHY i talk about
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: me where it's LIKE i have a bigger sympathetic drive from.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Outside so you've got some people that they send that
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: amygdalic message of fear and it goes up to their
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: brain where they start going something's. WRONG i have to
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: comprehend it, mentally and that's where anxiety, occurs like fear
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: of what's going to happen, next and there's like a
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: whole cycling and that's when you can trigger off lots
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: of different thought, Processes like WHEN i felt this fear
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: before it meant That i'm not going to be included or.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Whatever and so this one little bit of input from
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: someone giving you a funny little, look or getting a
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: particular mark on an assessment that you've handed, in or
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: getting a bit of feedback from a, team that's just
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: not so great that for me and a couple of
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: other types of people that will stimulate the cortex and
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: make them. Overthink and they are often the type of
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: people that go through their life to, say, oh you
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: just thinking about this too. Much you just got to
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: get out of your, brain and they. Do but it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: also the place that they house the most. Power so
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: them thinking through it is actually really helpful because they
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: articulate their feelings as.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Thought and so if they for those.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: People framing it mentally framing it is really really important to, say,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Oh i'm walking in the. Bush there's a chance there's a,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: snake and this is WHAT i do WHEN i see a.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: SNAKE i pause to make sure what it, is and
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: THEN i make my follow the steps to avoiding a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: brown snake or whatever it might. Be and that's how
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: they would process their. Fear whereas do you want to
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: jump in, there jump me to keep?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Going, no, no that's, good that's.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Cool and then the second kind of, person just to
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: keep it in three groups to make it nice and,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: simple they're going to stimulate their.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Adrenals so they're going to be.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: The type of person that goes into hyper reactive, mode
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: and that is you've stimulated.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Me Now i'm, reacting and its action.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Reaction it is adrenaline plus musculoskeletal, system so it's action without.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Thinking it's amygdala. Adrenals and so this is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: The type of person that's just more likely to jump
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: on the snake or just, sprint or if they get bad,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: feedback they're more like to, say if you none of
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: this is, TRUE i hate you.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: All, like just do something and not even think about.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: It or it's also the type of person that if
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you give them, challenge they, go, WHATEVER i can do
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: it faster than, you and then they just do it
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: because they're.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Competitive so there's.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: A musculo skeletal response and it bypasses the. Cortex and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: then you have another person and this so that person
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: they're called the activator and, connector and then we have
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: the guardian and the, diplomat and there's a little bit
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: of cross over, here but this is just for the
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: purpose of this story right. Now this is where you'll
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: get a in their stress. Response they have a dorsal vaguel.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Response and from if you understand a little bit about
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: the vagus, nerve there is healthy activation of the vagus,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: nerve which Is i'm, calm relaxed with friends and this is,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: wonderful And i'm digesting my food and this is a
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: really lovely. Environment i'm feeling very open and LIKE i
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: want to connect with. People that's a healthy vegas nerve.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Response and then you have that's ventral. Vaguel and there's
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the dorsal vaguel, response which is essentially a stress response
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: that shuts your body down into a. Freeze and so
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the way that they'll experience it is their digestive system
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: will rear up like it will actually.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Create irregularities in their digestive.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: System their face will actually, freeze so their voice will
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: change as.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Well this is all dorsal vaguel.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Response so you'll have someone turn around their stiff as
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: aboard and they'll, say, um there's a snake over, There
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: like their.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Voice has, changed face has. Changed, now what's so fascinating about?
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: This and you'll know this from public speaking when diplomats,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: particularly and that they have this response because they're fighting
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: between the first and the last, one which is their
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: nervous system goes a million miles an hour and their
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: digestive system like shuts, off so they're in this like paralysis.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Analysis when you're public speaking in front of these, people
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: their face is, lank almost, tense and you care, thinking,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: oh what AM i saying wrong to this?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Person and they're one of the first people to come
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: up with the.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Affter the session to say, great session got so much
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: out of, That and that's Because.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I've had that happen so so many. Times this person
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: fucking hates. Me, YES i loved.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: It. Yeah so when they're taking on new, information it
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: actually creates a stress response for them because they're trying
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to fit it into the tree of knowledge that they
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: have and they need time to process. It in while that's,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: happening they, freeze and so they get a physiological. Freeze
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: their digestive is a little bit, off and their face
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: actually Shows i'm not, Happy i'm not. Comfortable and normally
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: what's fascinating about this as well is this was.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: A signal to our community that this person's in.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Trouble but right, now if you see somebody like that
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: and they've got a freezed face and they're in a
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: team meeting because you're doing a, presentation you, think.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: What the hell is wrong With?
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Jane you, know you're not, thinking, Oh jane Was gane
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: was in a free state and there was a state
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: of alarm on her.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Face so, yes that's a fascinating.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Thing so some people when they get, stressed they'll go
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: into adrenaline and they deal through, action and they process
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: their adrenaline through. Movement another person they actually need to
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: go away by themselves and they need to process it
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: and reprioritize and think through it and get structure and
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: get logic and get a frame of mind around, it
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: whereas somebody else actually needs to, breathe you, know four seconds,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: in eight seconds. Out that then puts them into a
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: healthy vaguel response that isn't a free spont. Response so
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: THAT'S i, mean when we're talking about, fear obviously it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: all of this inputs coming in in the same. Way
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: what you determine is, fear well determine on the experiences
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: that you've had in your life and various things like.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: That but how you process that fear is going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: be quite. Different and this is why some people are
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: they just so great in an. Emergency i'm not great
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: in an. Emergency i'm. Okay BUT i sit with my
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: activator friends and they are just dang bang, dang like
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: as soon as the shit HiT's the, fan they are
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: just they've already solved the. Problem it's the most amazing
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: thing to see. Ever and they're so certain about their
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: decisions because they're not thinking about, it Whereas i'm going into,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: okay there's seven different things that this could be going.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: On i've got to be working through what's the highest
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: priority one blah blah, blah bah blah and so on
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: seconds behind, them whereas somebody else they're just they become,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: passive they retreat completely into their into a freeze. Response
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: so that's that's the that's the framework that we're normally working.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: With it's, funny so so many things out of that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: for me one AND i just think this is How i'm.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: BUILT i don't think it's any, UH i don't know
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Anything i've really.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Developed but when my training partner had a cardiac, arrest
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: do you remember this?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Story did you know THAT i know of the story
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: but it remind me.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Ay so he dropped dead in the, gym literally right
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and we were.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Training he did a set of, chins came, down fell
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: on the, floor went on his hands and. KNEES i
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: thought he was having some kind of, seizure which kind
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of was his heart was, ceasing cardiac. Arrest, Dead and
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: so it took me a minute to figure out what was.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Happening not a, minute probably ten seconds to go. On
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: now he's Had i'd enough it was a heart attack
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: or cardiac. Arrest but the bottom line was his heart had. Stopped,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: obviously people have heart attacks without their heart, stopping but
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: his heart had, stopped and all this shit THAT i
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: won't describe for the listeners was going. On and so
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: AND i, mean it's not like it was, fun but
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: within you, know ten, Seconds i'd turned him.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Over he was on face. Down i'd turn him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: OVER i got him into a position WHERE i could
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: work on, him AND i was working on. Him but
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: what was interesting for me WAS i didn't feel out
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of control at any. AGE i didn't feel you, KNOW
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: i didn't feel, calm BUT i didn't FEEL.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is like extreme.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: STRESS i was just very very, focused and there was
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: about another twenty people in the gym and nobody would
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: come and. Help, yeah everybody else was freaked the fuck.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Out and by the, WAY i don't think this is
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: any kind of accolade for, me BECAUSE i think it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: just HOW i am And i'm very grateful for. That but,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: yeah AND i guess one of the other THINGS i
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Ask or as SOMETHING i wanted to ask around this is.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You, know it's, like we do have the way that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: we naturally respond to different, things or our body or
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: our brain or our mind or, whatever our kind of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: automatic response to whatever the.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Stimulus is or stimuli.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Are but it's in our interest sometimes to be able
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to change that because we Need we. Can't IF i
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: keep responding this, WAY i can't do. Life and my
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: one last boring story is WHEN i. MOVED i moved
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: To Western australia WHEN i was nineteen years, old Which
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: i'm pretty sure you don't know this, story AND i
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: worked on what's called an aluminium, refinery was the aluminium
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: refinery for a, year, yeah as a trades, assistant and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: then an unlicensed rigor which is working on. Heights AND
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: i wasn't terrified of, heights BUT i didn't love. THEM
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: i was probably average and then. Over and so WHEN
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: i the first, day like my godfather was a he
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: was in, management there was three thousand men on this.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Site it was fucking it was as big as a.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Town it was just dirt.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And trucks and generators and fucking wild wild. Men no.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Women it was just the Wild. West and my godfather,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: said when your supervisor asks you if you're afraid of,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: heights say. No and when they ask you where you're,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: from do not Say. VICTORIA i went. Cool that was
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: his two bits of, advice. Right they fucking Hated, Victorians
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and SO i SAID i was From, tazzy WHICH i
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: lived In tazzy for a long time as a. Kid
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: SO i got away with. That and but, yeah the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: first DAY i had to climb up the side of
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: a Great WHEN i say great, BIG i mean fourteen
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: stories high tank which was built to contain gas which
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: hadn't been operationalized.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yet but it didn't have you know how they have
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: ladders welded to the tank or that whatever the welded
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and the cage around it didn't have that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yet, yeah it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Had the, well it Had, sorry it had the, ladder
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: but it didn't have the safety shit around. It and he,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: goes your, team so you work as a team of,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: three a welder and a welder and a boiler maker
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and a trades. Assistant i'm the trades. Assistant he, goes
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you're working with these two guys up the. Top rob
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And benny go up in introduce yourself AND i go
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: go up and he, goes, YEAH i go how how
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: DO i get?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Up and he's, like what do you. Mean it's, like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: well there's a.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Ladder so it's one hundred and forty feet, high, mate
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like fourteen stories and there's. Nothing if you, fall you,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: fall you just fu, yeah like you're just. Dead so we.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Are the guys that make it safe for. Everyone SO
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: i climb up fourteen, stories fourteen, stories carrying like a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: tool belt and all this, shit AND i get to the.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Top my heart rate was fucking nine. THOUSAND i was
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the most Scared i've ever, like not even. Close i'd
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: never been anywhere near that scared in my.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Life oh my. God six months.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: LATER i was walking around on, rsj's which are steel,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: beams like they were, Footpaths Like i'd been completely whatever
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it is is my. Responses i've been. DESENSITIZED i, MEAN
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: i was still very aware how dangerous it, was but
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the fear and all the accompanying physiological you, know events
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in my, body they'd all but.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Disappeared. Wow then it's just, like, OH i, MEAN i
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if everyone could like to we all have
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the capacity to, change because, REALLY i, mean it's about
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: how you interpret whatever that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Is, like fear is an individual, response as is all
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of the physiology that goes with.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: It, Right, YES i would say that everyone's got a
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: capacity to deamplify that stress response and to normalize themselves within.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: It but then there's a difference between that and some
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: people enjoying the sensation of that risk as. Well so
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: some people and the reason that they would enjoy, it,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: yeah is because and as we have sort of summized
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: through our years of, interactions you're probably in between the
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: activator connector piece and the. Andres you actually have more
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: access to, steroids so you produce more, steroids and so
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: when you get into a place that requires, steroids which
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: is when you're at, risk you've got a capacity to
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: hold them, on whereas somebody. Else we talk about the dipmat,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: again they are high pos steroidal and so are, sensus
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: so they. Can't they would go into a significant exhaustion
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: after that exposure to that level of. Stress they wouldn't
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: recover as fast and they would have less tolerance for
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: that state of. Petrification, essentially whereas somebody with the strongest
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: deroidal structure and ability to create, it they've got, YE
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: i can make, that AND i could make that, again
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: AND i could make that, again so everybody could de
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: amplify the.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Response but then some people physiologically aren't.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Built to be able to sustain the background risk that's
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: going on as. Well and this is why you'll see
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: people that, SAY i don't walk around on. BUILDINGS i
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: work from home in a very dimly lit room which
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: is nice and calm and, warm where there's zero, risk
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: because my adrenals just can't tolerate more than twenty minutes
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: of stress at the. Time so, yeah, yeah and, yeah
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: that's fascinating, though just the impact of. EXPOSURE i was
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: sweating while you were telling that.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Story was all over.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: One other quick, one not as.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Exciting BUT i did security FOR i don't know three
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and a half or four years WHEN i was younger
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: WHEN i got back To. Melbourne so from like twenty
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to twenty, FOUR i worked in pubs and clubs AND
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: i didn't drink, right SO i never really went to.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: PUBS i definitely never went to. Clubs BUT i was
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: working in nightclubs and doing. Security AND i remember the first,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: well definitely the first few weeks just BEING i. Reckon
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: LIKE i worked from like nine till, three like fantastic,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: hours like three nights a, week so and you've just
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: your job is just to make sure people don't fuck
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: up too much and to get rid of people who
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: are fucking, up and to you, know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a fun.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Job and LIKE i was quite big and strong at
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that stage and young and dumb and full of you
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: know what and all of that. Shit but for the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: first MONTH i reckon every night WHEN i was in,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: There my heart rate just just being there was probably
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a hundred just being in the.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Room, yeah just a.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Hundred, right and then anything, happens then you're up to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: one sixty one eighty and. Escalate BUT i remember at the,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: start like a week in thinking BECAUSE i lived with a,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: guy we shared a, house and he did. It he
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: was a big he was a fucking, unit, Right so
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he wasn't really he wasn't really afraid of too. Much
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And i'm, Like i'm afraid this is this is this
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: is fucking. Terrifying but, anyway and then fast forward six.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Months you, know it wasn't my natural habitat by any,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: means but all.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Of that stuff had.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Gone you, KNOW i could be in the middle of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: altercations AND i was relatively calm and in control and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: drunk aggressive or high aggressive people or fuck wits or
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the stuff.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: That used to you.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Know and, AGAIN i wouldn't recommend it to, anyone but
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: for me who grew up like in the, country going
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to a private school WITH i, mean my childhood was
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: so innocent and. Boring and Then i'm in the city
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: And i'm in nightclubs and there's gangs and there's, this
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and there's. That i'm, like oh, fuck this is a different.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: World BUT i think you acclimate or you, know there
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: are some things you probably don't want to acclimate or adapt.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: To but, YEAH i, remember that's exactly what.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Happens THAT'S i think where the Natural this is where
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: the nature versus nurture. Thing you're talking about nurturing like
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: in you surround yourself with the environment and a if
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: you can. Adapt but that's because it's also in your
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: nature to be somewhat comfortable in slightly heightened, circumstances like
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: even public. Speaking it's a slightly heightened. CIRCUMSTANCE i know
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: everyone's into public, speaking.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: As we know whereas.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: What and this is the fascinating thing about it is
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: THAT i would say it's a very important life lesson
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: is that you don't have to want to or enjoy
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: acclimating to all the things that everybody else, does because
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: there would have been a bunch of people in your
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: position that never acclimated and they would have dropped out
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: after two, months and they wouldn't have because their body
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: just wouldn't have enjoyed. It and their body, says, hey
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: when you give a particular, nurture the nature will. Act
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: and your nature was that of a. THING i can handle.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: THIS i can get to a point WHERE i can handle,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: it whether it be your own sort of search for
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: growth or just your capacity. Anyway but some individuals physiologically
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: don't adapt as. Fast their body, says this feels. Awful
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: you hate, This go and do something else with your.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Life and this is gets back to that conversation purpose
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: that we. Had some bodies are not designed to be
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: in a heightened, state particularly when there's a physicality that's
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: associated with it as, well and it's really violating for
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: them to be in that state for a long, time
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and their body will send them lots of signals to,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: say this.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Is not your, purpose this is not your.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Purpose and even if they were to go that extra six,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: months they might get, there but it still wouldn't be
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: as natural as it is rather some other. People and
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: this IS i think that's so important that you don't
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: have to be afraid of, everything but you do not
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: have to brush your fear in every little thing to
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: feel like you, can you, know completely unlock your potential as.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: WELL i think that's very.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Important but having a framework OF i can navigate myself
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: through fear is absolutely essential for.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Growth All, Right.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a fun question to finish. On So i've
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  Speaker 1: been listening to What i'm out and. ABOUT i tried
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  Speaker 1: not to listen to, academic bloody stuff or you. Know
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  Speaker 1: i'll listen to a podcast some like something my numbing or,
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  Speaker 1: funny or audio books And i've never.
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  Speaker 2: Listened to fiction in my.
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  Speaker 1: Life until about six months, ago Because i'm, LIKE i
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  Speaker 1: don't do fiction ONLY i only acquire. Knowledge i'm too
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: smart to listen to. Fiction like, Now i'm a FUCKING
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  Speaker 1: i love. It So i've listened all these. Books i'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: listening to this book at the moment Called The Terminal.
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  Speaker 1: List there was a, movie which the movie wasn't, great
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  Speaker 1: but the book's really well, Known The Terminal, list.
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  Speaker 2: And the main character in the, book his Name's James.
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  Speaker 1: Reese, anyway the book also is written by A navy,
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  Speaker 1: seal so the details. Fantastic but, anyway it's like in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: all of these operations and, stuff they talk about the
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  Speaker 1: preparation and execution and performing under pressure and like the
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that probably humans just shouldn't have to do
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  Speaker 1: or have to, see you, know war. Stuff but that's
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  Speaker 1: the world we live, in where this, is for better or,
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  Speaker 1: worse like it or, not it is part of the
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  Speaker 1: reality of.
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  Speaker 2: Life and so for.
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  Speaker 1: These elite you, know special ops kind of, operators they
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  Speaker 1: need to be the calm in the. Chaos they need
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do shit That i'd fall apart
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  Speaker 1: even thinking about. Doing they need to be able to do,
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  Speaker 1: it you, know inside. Out back to, front eyes closed
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  Speaker 1: and keep their heart rate at. Sixty so my question is, sensor, activator, crusader, guardian,
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  Speaker 1: diplomat connector in the pH D by the, WAY pH three,
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  Speaker 1: SIXTY i should say health. TYPE i just described go
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  Speaker 1: check them out if you haven't done so. Yet which
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  Speaker 1: one of those is going to make the best special?
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  Speaker 1: Operator who's going to make the Best Seal team six?
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  Speaker 4: Leader it's going to be a, crusaders diplomats or guardians
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  Speaker 4: are generally going to be the best, leaders and in
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  Speaker 4: that particular, environment there's no limitation to an activator or
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  Speaker 4: a connector doing it as. Well but their natural state
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  Speaker 4: is to be more impulsive and to want more, freedom
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  Speaker 4: and that can sometimes make them not want to be
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  Speaker 4: the top.
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  Speaker 3: Guy they want to.
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  Speaker 4: Be able to be the guy that follows just just
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  Speaker 4: runs and does. Things so there's a natural inclination for
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  Speaker 4: them to be to take more risk and sometimes that
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  Speaker 4: you need a more considered head for the leader as
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  Speaker 4: far as they're selecting. Them but there's a particular type
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  Speaker 4: of crusader it would need to be a number eighty
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  Speaker 4: five on the circle and then and the reason for
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  Speaker 4: that is because that type of crusader is physically much.
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  Speaker 4: Bigger So i'm a seventy five And i'm eighty kilos
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy nine. CENTIMETERS a typical eighty five
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  Speaker 4: would be you, know ninety to one hundred kilos and
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  Speaker 4: six for. Three they've just got a much bigger upper,
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  Speaker 4: body much more resilient body for the demands that are.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Required the other type is the diplomat as.
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  Speaker 4: Well the diplomat they've got that, strength they've got much stronger,
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  Speaker 4: legs they've naturally got a stronger.
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  Speaker 3: Body they would.
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  Speaker 4: Need a particular diplomat that they would need with a
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  Speaker 4: really good athletic. Background they need particular. Collagen diplomats generally
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  Speaker 4: have more flexible, collagen so you'd need a diplomat with
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: tighter collagen without that coal, variant so that they don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: get the soft tissue injuries because they're much like we
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: see in sports. Athletes if you've got the particular collagen,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: genes you'll just you'll get softissue injuries from all of
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: the volume that they. Do so it need to be
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  Speaker 4: a particular, diplomat and the reason why it'd select them
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  Speaker 4: is that they've got a fantastic order orderliness and structure
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  Speaker 4: and they're, considered and if you have a, combinat you'd
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: need an activatory element to their mind because everyone's not
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: just one. Type you would need a diplomat with athletic
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  Speaker 4: body like tight, collagen strong, collagen and an activator, mindset
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  Speaker 4: and that would essentially give them the ability to make
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  Speaker 4: decisions in the, moment because a diplomat normally would need more,
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  Speaker 4: time so you need that little. Variation and then for a,
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  Speaker 4: guardian you'd be looking at a guardian with a more crusadery.
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  Speaker 4: Secondary because the guardians are. Incredible they're very very, strong highly,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: protective and that's very very, good but you would need
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: the strategic mission over people. Mentality AND i know that
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day they drag everyone they can,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: out but ultimately the mission is more important than the
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: man and that's something that the guardians naturally would struggle
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: with because they would form a family bond with the
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: people around them as.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Well so they would be incredible for extrication.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: And making sure everyone gets, home but when it comes
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: to mission or, people you would need a crusader element
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: which outcomes over.
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  Speaker 3: People so that would be my. Diagnosis you would not have.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: A sensor in sas they actually stopped sensors.
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  Speaker 3: Going to war In World War.
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  Speaker 4: TWO i don't remember those photos where they were taking
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  Speaker 4: measurements of the thorax guys blowing their chest up as.
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  Speaker 3: Much as they.
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  Speaker 4: Could they knew, that they knew that a person with
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: a smaller thorax sort of the mid, chest they knew
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: that they had a much higher likelihood OF ptsd coming,
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  Speaker 4: home like eighty percent rate versus someone with a thicker,
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  Speaker 4: thorax much. Less and that's because the thinner thorax the
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: sensor much more sensitive than, noise much more sensitive to
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: like much less. Strong actually they've got smaller muscle, belly
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: so carrying thirty kilos plus their, gun they would break
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: a lot faster as. Well like they're just not built for,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: combat the. Sensors so, yeah fascinate, Anyway so that's where i'd.
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  Speaker 4: Go and even based off the special forces THAT i,
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  Speaker 4: know they seem to be like The in, fact the
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  Speaker 4: ones THAT i do know are crusaders within that range
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  Speaker 4: or diplomats within that, range or guard within that. Range
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  Speaker 4: but then there's a few activators and connectors THAT i
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  Speaker 4: know of as well that just get stuck.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: In so that's My, wow it is.
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  Speaker 2: There it.
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  Speaker 1: Is so you're thinking about becoming AN elead, operator covert,
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  Speaker 1: operative a government.
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  Speaker 2: Assassin you just got you your. Guidebook, hey how can
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: people connect with? You find, you follow you all that? Stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Cam thank.
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  Speaker 4: You probably easiest way is to search doctor car McDonald
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  Speaker 4: a health professional to learn about the science or corporate
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: well being or. Schools while it's doing a lot of this.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Stuff all of the stuff we said about stress is
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: actually relevant for students in, class which no one is,
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  Speaker 4: considering and even through the gym's all of that sort of.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Stuff so if we've got information and applications for, everybody be.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: The app Butter, cup all, right, mate we appreciate.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: You we'll say goodbye off, are but look after that
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  Speaker 1: scrotum of yours and that that testical region and we'll chat.
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  Speaker 3: Again appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: It